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>row row row your boat
>gently down the stream
>merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily
>life is just a dream

Are there back exercises which are better and more complete than this?
>inb4 do several exercises
Yes yes but if you had to pick ONE
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Deadlift
/threat
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>>75613252
Complete FOR THE BACK?
Thighs etc don't count
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>>75613247
What's our thoughts on the dual handle attachments for these vs single handles? I feel like there's more ROM for the individual arm cables and it feels comfier but I'm not sure if there's a downside
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Squats
/threat
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>>75613247
That song speaks of a great primordial truth. Life is but a dream. Your boat is your vehicle to experience the dream of the stream of life. The rower who guides the boat is your spirit. Do so merrily, for it will soon awaken.
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>>75613247
literal meme exercise when done like in the pic. try putting your knees at the footpads instead. no swinging. 2 sec pause at navel
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>>75613711
See Thomas Cole's "Voyage of Life" paintings
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>>75613247
rack pulls mogg these at higher weights.
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>>75613247
>cable
cringe
use dumbbells
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>>75613264
Traps look better than lats.
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>>75614092
I agree it's cringe because the cable machine has cardio-tier weights for rows
But a proper row machine is still the best option, no need to put extra strain on your lower back if you already deadlift and squat
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>>75613247
>life is but a dream
*ftfy
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Freeweight bb rows cuz it trains spinal erectors and traps for some reason I don't deadlift cuz I'm not gay.
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>>75613247
pull-up.
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>>75613711
Based reflection.
>>75613715
Yeah I do it like you described.
>>75614179
Sounds good, I'll give it a try.
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>>75613247
>picrel
Stop doing wide grip rows. It's commonly said that wide grip rows bias the "upper back", but apparently the only muscles in the upper back that are biased with a wide grip/flared elbows are the rear delts, teres, infraspinatus, and supraspinatus. And rear delts can be easily trained in isolation with reverse flies, while the rest don't contribute significantly to back thickness (let alone width).
Meanwhile the traps and rhomboids (the upper back muscles that actually create back thickness) aren't affected by grip, and are instead only affected by scapular movement. Which means if you want to target those muscles, you just need to protract your scapula during the eccentric phase of rowing, and your grip doesn't matter.
And if your grip doesn't matter, you should use whatever grip allows you to row with the heaviest loads, which is a narrow, neutral grip.
Source:
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/rowing/
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>>75613619
There is more ROM, but the extra ROM gained is when the muscles are in a shortened position, which is less hypertrophic than the rest of the ROM. So the extra ROM isn't actually that valuable.
And the downside is that it's less stable than a solid metal attachment, so it won't allow you to put the muscles under as much load.
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>>75613791
candlemass?
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>Are there back exercises which are better and more complete than this?
picrel is basically DL+Row, and thus more complete since upper traps and erectors are also trained
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I can just do seal rows with dumbbells, one dumbbell at the time to successfully prevent using body english.

If I want the max amount of back muscles trained with one move then power barbell rows from the floor. Start like you are about to deadlift, then row the weight with body english. You can do between 1-20 reps. This still doesn't use all the muscles or at least functions like pulling the scapula down but pretty much everything else.
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>>75613791
I'm familiar with these paintings. The infant is born and exits the cave guided directly by the protective messenger. As he grows into a youth the messenger soon leaves as he sets out to explore the wonders of life. As he sets into the storms of adulthood the messenger watches from afar, as this is now his journey fully. In the calm waters of old age the messenger returns to take him home.
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>>75617115
Interesting, I actually discovered this independently with my isochain, because doing both rows and deadlifts separately on it was giving my forearm tendons too hard of a time.



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