Tried to find the pasta but can't in the archive unfortunately. I'm at 40.5 hrs and feeling great. I have a trip in March that gave me 10 solid weeks (as of last week) to lose about 35-40 pounds. My initial plan was >Sunday night to Wednesday night (72 hours) >Wednesday night to Friday night (48 hours)>Free eating on Saturday and Sunday>800+ calorie burn through cardio on weekdays>Possibly more on Saturday and Sunday, can't gauge for various reasonsHad a wrench thrown in the plan with a mandatory work outing on Thursday so I'm doing an 84 fast from Sunday night to Thursday afternoon, then Thursday night to Saturday afternoon. Probably do one meal on Saturday afternoon then free eat on Sunday. Down 7 pounds as of Friday last week and only 5.5 as of this afternoon. Wondering if a very small wheat wrap burrito with turkey, cheddar, egg, and pesto will be a good break on Thursday for lunch or if I'll feel like shit. How's your fast going anon?
Haven't fasted in months.Fat as shit now.Need to go back to fasting.This shit works with electrolytes.
>can't sustain a general>can't sustain weight lossWelcome to /fast/
>>75719152from new years eve I started fasting for a day and a half every week, just a saturday until sunday lunchthinking of upping it like 2.5 days, friday/saturday until sunday lunch
>>75719297the reason i can't sustain the weight loss after a significant fasting regimen is because i'm a lazy pos and usually just go back to whatever i was doing before i started fasting>exactly!but i already know that when i'm at my target weight a couple OMADs a week will keep me at maintenance. honestly i'm really just doing this because while it's not as healthy or sustainable, i want to be at a really good weight for my trip and starvation with extreme cardio sounds like the fastest (and easiest) way to lose what i want to lose in a 10-week period. maybe i'm wrong. i could lose 20 pounds the "right" way in 10 weeks but that'd cost me more money, energy, and time. i don't have the discipline to stick to a good diet and workout regimen for the rest of my life. a lot of people don't. i think i can live with that
>>75719152that seems a rather excessive caloric deficit, -500 kcal/day is sufficient>going 5 days with 2 meals>burning 800+ kcals/daythis shit could be like 2.000-3.000 kcal/day and even with free weekend could be too much (be careful bro)otherwise if it is a maintainable method for you and you dont mind loosing musclemass and have to shred like a gigantopolous amount of fat - all the power to you
>>75719351Make sure to update in 10 weeks when you've gained weight
>>75719297>can’t sustain been 83-85 kg for 3 years now, down from 110kg. get fucked.
>>75719806>He won't post bodySure you are bud
>>75719821fine, now you
>>75719861you look gay brovery nice
>>75719861
>>75719895>first time i ever post body i get moggedfair enough
>>75719920But for real congratulations on the weight loss I was 117kg at one point
Why do we need to have two /fat/ threadsEat some protein you fat DYELs or you’re going to catabolize what little muscle you have
>>75719861>>75719895We can't sustain a general because this shit actually works.
>>75719152What are your guys thoughts on eating regularly (I eat healthy homecooked meals) but fasting twice a week (only coffee and milk)? I'm at about 20%BF and have never been able to get lean, though I've never really tried.
>>75720078>>75720123It's literally as simple as eating or drinking 120-160g of protein with only trace carbs and fats from said protein source. You still create a massive calorie deficit for rapid weight loss but maintain and even gain lean body mass instead of fasting, losing muscle, binging and gaining fat. Only a retarded person would object to a PSMF when you get the same benefits of rapid weight loss with none of the downsides. It's insane to me people still buy into the fasting meme
>>75720078>>75719895That's me, I don't fast and look at me compared to the other guy. 8 months ago I was 260lbs and hadn't touched a weight since PE class. Now I'm 180lbs with that body composition. PSMF. I made the joke about not maintaining a general
>>75720144So just "fasting" (120g of protein) for 2 days a week is enough to get very lean? Thanks anon, will start this week
>>75720159Yes but that has to be lean protein. Not beef, steak shit like that. There's more calories from fat than protein. Tuna, boneless skinless chicken tenderloins, protein powder. It's the largest calorie deficit you can create and not lose muscle. You can lose a lb a week with just two PSMF days
Download it, read it, follow it. Don't fall for le fasting faggotry
>>75720164I would probably just do water+protein powder, since I have whole milk in my coffee in the morning
>>75720174>>75719895That's exactly what I did majority of days and it works perfectly. Your body needs amino acids to repair muscles. 120g of protein is like 450-500 calories so you will be in a 2k deficit on those days. 2 days equals 4k or over 1lb of weight loss with no muscle loss, no negative hormonal or metabolic effects unlike fasting
>>75720144that’s a “fast mimicking” diet no? i think i’ll start doing this
>>75720164I'm also trying to get lean. Down to 173lbs from 195lbs but also building muscle. Went from nearly 35% bf to 22%. I also starting taking creatine in that time.I feel like the remaining fat is going to get a bit stubborn and want to try this PSMF. Will cottage cheese mixed with whey suffice? I don't mind eating that as a snack and 200g is like 160kcal and 25g of protein.
>>75720192It's the non retarded way to lose weight rapidly. Just eat lean protein. Boom problem solved. 80lbs down in 8 months, went from no weights to 1/2/3/4
>>75720188Thanks anon, I'll start tomorrow
>>75720195Yup that's fine, I'd highly recommend pirating the PDF and reading it. It tells you a couple vitamins to take and such. Congratulations on the weight loss so far anon
>”post body”>anons actually post body>have a proper discussion
>>75720209Once you got lean, did you keep doing it or did you start eating regularly?
>>75719679"too much" cuck lmao, only weaklings settle. kys etc
Eating disorder thread
>>75720209Are the vitamin supplements necessary for a 2 day PSMF? Seems like it was more designed for obese patients who would be on the diet for months.
>>75720241back to /fat/, powershitter>im just 'bulking'
>>75720236It's part of my maintenance plan. Right now I do two PSMF days a week. That creates like a 3600 calorie deficit in two days and I would have to overeat by like 700 calories the other five days just to be at maintenance. I can reduce it to one PSMF day if I feel necessary or increase it to 2 or 3 or even 4 if the scale starts going in the wrong direction. I can't be assed to count calories
>>75720244Probably not but I'd at least do a daily multivitamin. You are right they are to cover up nutritional deficiencies in long term PSMF diets. This is basically a medical starvation diet for severely obese people. Or anons who want abs kek
>>75720250Have you ever bulked or are your gains just while on PSMF? Do you do any cardio?
>>75720262I've never bulked, I started PSMF and lifting at the same time.
>>75720262Incline walking on a treadmill twice a week for cardio. 15 incline 3mph for 30 minutes to an hour
>>75720277>>75720280Again, thank you anon. You gave me great advice :)
>>75720280i don't know where you live, but I'd recommend incline walking outside in nature if possible.It's better for the soul.
>>75720400I live in Florida, this whole state is flat.
>>75720406shamedo you play golf? there's heaps of golf courses in Florida right?I walk and carry my clubs, playing when it's quiet. I've found that if it's warm to hot (im australian) i can walk 9 holes in 90 minutes and my heartrate will maintain between 110-130 most the time (my resting is 45bpm @ 42yrs old)That's like a light walk/cardio for off days to keep moving and be outside.
>>75720400Can't bro it's a frigid wasteland where I am at
>>75720297No problem bro best of luck
>>75720565https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOltGIaDPlY
>>75720593Kek maybe I shouldn't have said can't, don't want to is more like it. Not Siberia but the closest thing to it in America
i wish hunger pangs didn't go away after a whileit feels so good when my stomach growls
1)This might be retarded but does sleep time included in the overall time of the fast? Considering the body goes into sleep mode,metabolism slows down a lot so it's not in active mode so to speak. If i go with this line of thought then a 3 day water fast becomes a 5 day one assuming 8 hour sleep cycles.2)Also vitamins are okay to eat when doing water fast,right?
>>75721309>>75721978Ngmi quit being retards and meet your daily protein requirements
>>75719679this bitch has the same eyes as this devilman >>75719152 in the painting. bone chilling
>>75722017
>>75719337I like weekend fasts because I tend to eat the worst on those daysnormally do omad when on a deficitthen use weekend 48-72 hour fasts to break plateausjust did a 72 hour from friday to monday eveningspicrel
>>75722077>No protein for 72 hoursWhy are you so dumb?
>>75720170>muh science
>>75722247>t.fat retard
>>75719895Barracks room?
>>75720144>It's insane to me people still buy into the fasting memetruthbomb and add lard-based keto to the listi don't think crazy diets are needed for anyone but hardcore shredders, BUT if you're so mentally ill you need to have some special snowflake meme diet PSMF is the undisputed best methodgee i wonder why youtube grifters and gurus never shill for it
>>75722467It's your moms master bedroom mirror
>>75722668My mom does not live in a bricks room. How much times she's spent in one i can't say.
Yo can any of you PSMF niggas give me your meal plan, I want to be ripped in 8 months too
>>75722715>I'm going to stick to an extreme diet>No I can't read the PDFJesus
>>75722608People believe fasting is magical ancient science and they can still slam 5k calories of McDonald's every other day. They are just dumb
>>75720593>cellophane windows>won't look for a way to make hatches to close them for better insulationcome on now
>>75722867>he actually got windows>and a chainsawnoice
>>75722824Give me the pdf
>>75723372www. Google.com
>>75720237keke yeah well true chads will starve to death ... that will show them!
>>75723398Why you trying to keep a fat brother down?
>>75723430being worthy takes effort, not everything is offered to you on a silver plate - this IS the daventure to walk into the jungle of misinformation and find the correct solutionwith that being said for me heavily salted light yoghurt was a gamechanger as it substitutes a good portion os mass/volume without adding significant amount of calories>half portion, double meals - then normal number of meals but with the new, smaller portionsgoal is to help your stomach shrink>-500kcal/day is sufficientI don't think you need to pay too much attention of your "macros" if the deficit is there - this is long run anyway and sustainability is muhc MUCH more important than any details
Would alternating between a PSMF day and a normal fasting day be a dumb idea or a really intelligent and clever idea
>>75723694I think it would be too extreme - for me it wasnt successful (did loose mass but not bf interestingly)>daily 5 km did the trickalso nowadays I dont run (heartattack in sauna incoming) but eat aforementioned light yoghurt
>day 2 mid day logPLEASE MAKE ME STOP THINKING OF FOODActually this isn't that bad yet. Of course, I cheated a bit going in, but from here on out, no more food. It's been a while since I've eaten a full meal. Aside from a couple fruits, wafers, and 2 tiny ginger candies, I haven't eaten for several days. I'm doing sets of 5 pullups, and I'm up to 20 today. Not hitting my max for pullups right now, but that's to be expected, and I'm focusing on the technique. Also I'm doing dumbell exercises and grip trainer exercises all throughout the day. Will run timed 5k followed by 2 miles followed by 1 mile at the gym in several hours.I'm on cheat easy mode until Friday. Right now, I have $0 in checking. I have some food left over, but I'd have to cook it. This includes instant potatoes (450+ cals per package), canned chili, rice, various frozen protein, eggs, milk, pancake mix, Ramen noodles, etc. But I can't go out and get my favorite Chinese Food, for example. On Friday, I'll get paid good. I'll have enough money to get that Big Smoke order. Even if I don't go directly to McDonald's with my paycheck, I might have a date with a beautiful gym qt on Saturday. I might break the fast there, but I just want to point out that the bonus effect of a fast is that you spent no money on food. The pathetic thing about me is that I'm forced into this situation by a combination of poverty and laziness. I eat all my prepared food, and am too lazy to make any more.>my absI think my stomach is starting to bulge a little less. My abs haven't been blasted for a while--perhaps I should target them more.>my legsToday is my last day off for the month of January. I'm going to work the entire rest of the month. My legs are going to be tired as fuck at the end of every day, so I might not find the willpower within myself to run. Gonna do some research on footwear, maybe buy some Dr. Scholl's
The only thing I ate so far today is 2 ginger candies. Mmmm, sugar
>>75723694Yes. Just do PSMF retard
>>75723372pdfdrive rapid fat loss handbook lyle mcdonald
>>75722715>>75723750>rapid fat loss handbook>chapter 1: stop eatingIn order to lose weight, you need to stop eating. Once you haven't eaten for enough time, you will no longer be fat. Then, you must not regain that fat by having a calorie deficit.
what's the consensus on fasting while sick? my symptoms have lessened, but I've been sick for like half of the month and I just want to fast, I've heard that fasting does weaken your immune system, but is it so much that I should avoid fasting at all until I have 0 symptoms? has anyone here fasted while sick?
>>75723786>what's the consensus on fastingThat it's retarded, you're welcome
>>75723769>t. fat idiot
>>75723726>average Indian Internet user
>>75723824NO YOU ARE THE FUCKING
>>75723967>>75723824YOU ARE FUCKINGBLOODY FUCK YOU BLOODY
>>75724149>>75723824just for that, I mixed a Ramen chicken packet with water, drank the water, then I made cocoa, with sugar, milk, and whipped cream. And I'm drinking it right now. Also it has instant coffee in it.
>minfood diet>don't eat sugar>barely pulling any kind of numbers along>eat sugar>muscle energy restored>normal numbers attainedRamen packet and Dunks-tier '''coffee''' have restored my energy.
Okay, hear me out. What if you can do up to like 300 calories a day, of sugars? It's purely in the interest of keeping muscles functioning properly during workouts
>>75723786I actually have very recent experience with this, I ended up with covid or whatever with the standard symptoms. My appetite is always suppressed when sick so I took advantage of it and did my first 7 day fast (up from 4 days), I found that for the first 3 days or so I didn't really notice any difference just general "I feel shitty because I'm sick", interestingly on day 4 and 6 I felt pretty damn good as if the sickness symptoms were being suppressed almost completely then on day 7 I felt decent as I was seemingly at the tail end of it all. I couldn't really say whether the fast delayed my recovery or not, it just wasn't on my mind at all to even bother eating due to hunger suppression and a sore throat, I suspect the feeling of sickness was masking the fast discomfort somewhat but overall it didn't seem to do any harm
>>75723786Not eating while sick makes your body weaker, but sometimes you just do it
>>75725030>Not eating makes your body weakerFixed
>>75719152why would you wait until a couple months before a trip to lose a small human amount of fat? you people are fucking retarded fat slobs.
>>75719152how bad is it to lift on an empty stomach AND still not eat until 10 hours later?The easiest routine for me to get into is to do 20:4 IF during the day and only eat dinner + after dinner. But also to lift first thing in the morning before work. Is it a problem if I stop eating at 10pm, lift at 7am, and then don't eat again until 6pm?
Going into day 3 of no food. Starting to feel the lower energy from my calorie demands not being met. I can't stop thinking about food, and my sense of smell is much more perceptive to food. The scents of the cuisines in the city mock me, because I'm too broke to afford. So far, I've been able to stave off the headaches that normally come from fasting. I've done so by consuming some sugary drinks, in addition to a minimal amount of sugary treats. Now, I feel as I'm starting to crash, with my body being denied real fuel. I know my fast isn't technically 0 food, but cry me a river. Stomach doesn't hurt yet, but it aches a little. I've definitely felt more hungry before in my life. I guess I can feel the fat burning.
>>75725742Gee boss, I dunno if consuming the one thing that makes a fast more difficult is an effective strategy
>>75720144I just don't know how you'd do that.What kind of foods are pure protein
I've never had electrolytes before. Should I buy unflavored electrolytes or zero ca unflavored ones?I know from experience that I start getting lightheaded around fay 3-4.
>>75720170>Download and start reading the book>Page 7 he talks about the difference between weight loss and fat loss and says weight loss will drastically outstrip true fat loss on this dietLol. Lmao. Might as well fast. That's even faster.
>>75726779Egg whites, boneless skinless chicken tenderloins, tuna, protein isolate. Cucumbers and spinach >>75726847Hey tubby tits, I know you are not only fat but also retarded, but that's because going no carb dumps body water faster than fat can be metabolized. You aren't going to lose more by le fasting, that's what you've been doing and you are still an obese loser
>>75726819You should quit doing a meme diet and follow a real one, you are welcome
>>75725973I'm limiting sugar to 2 drinks a day and maintaining an active exercise routine. I understand sugar slows down the process. Perhaps i should try making it through today with only water/coffee. Still, I already see results. Took a shit this morning and it was only a tiny little one. That might have been the last of it. Not noticing my gut shrinking yet, though. Gonna do a heavy lift session tonight just to be sure. Since it's only day 3, I'm not expecting any performance goblins.
will smoking tobacco break my fast? we're talking pipes and cigars here
I would like to try and understand the logic of doing water fasts instead of PSMF. I am convinced that water fasts are not worth it.As far as I am concerned you -Do not lose significantly more fat mass on water fast than on a PSMF-Adherence and discomfort are worse on water fast -You lose significantly more lean body mass on water fast. I've done long water fasts but for this years shredding I started with getting myself first into ketosis with fats and switched to PSFM and this is so fucking easy compared to doing fasts. Only scenario where I think water fasts are merited is if you end up talking with pic related.
>>75727328I don't know what psfm is
>>75727311Tobacco and nicotine kills the elasticity of your skin more likely leading to saggy skin. Also if you fast your body is burning fat releasing shit that has been sealed in the fat so smoking same time increases toxins even more. You know what you should do. t. ex smoker
>>75727344How are Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp lifelong chainsmokers but they looked youthful into their 40s and 50s
>>75727328>adherence and discomfort worseI disagree. For me, eating nothing is significantly easier than "eating a small amount". I feel that once I eat something it triggers a cascade of me talking myself into more and more. However I do agree that PSMF is peak weightloss muscle preservation.
>>75727364I actually had similar issues where I would get triggered by foods, but turns out they were just carb related. I strongly advise to try ketosis at least once if it helps with that. It sounds bullshit but there has been a significant improvement and my food gravings have vanished. My current PSMF meal plan is basically an OMAD: -400g lean ground meat w 100g feta mixed in pan-half cucumber, tomato -8 egg whites For desert:-500g quark with 60g whey mixed in I guess I could add greens but really there has not been need to.
>>75727328>adherence and discomfort are worse on water fastI find it's way easier to eat nothing than it is to eat small amounts of something which trigger a crazy hunger. If I don't eat anything, I don't ever really get hungry until several days out. PSMF tends to be okay, but I get hungry easier on it. Fasting gives me a steady-state, not really hungry feeling that is consistent and doesn't really change until a day or 2 out.>You lose significantly more lean body mass on water fast. Yes and no; I lift while fasting and have had Dexas, me personally I don't really see a decrease in muscle mass when I fast over time. That said, PSMF is definitely a better option for most, but I'll say for some people fasting is just way easier.>>75727343PSMF= protein sparing modified fasting. Essentially, you eat 0 carbs and 0 fat and only protein. It mimics fasting for the body, evidence suggests your body still goes into a fasted state as if you haven't eaten, but with the benefits of having high-protein in your diet.All things points to it being better than pure fasting if you want to retain/build muscle as part of fasting.
>>75727541Post body>I don't really see a decrease in muscle mass
>>75727328Because you don't get to binge 5k calories of Arby's after two days of PSMF. That's why retards are against it
>Do 3x 36 hour fasts from March 2024 - late December 2024>Never any bowel problems, on eating days after fast I push out a perfect poop>Break fasting schedule for Christmas Holidays eating every day>Return to 3x 36 hour fasts on the 4th January >Constant diarrhea poops every day eating or not eating, still ongoing, not had a solid poop.Strange. My diet is unchanged compared to 2024.Should I stop fasting for 2 weeks and try again or something? I'm not experiencing any symptoms and I'm not in any particular amount of pain outside of a few painful intestinal contractions when my body decides its diarrhea time
>>75728026>Should I stop fastingYes
>>75728135Well if I did it would only be temporarily, I don't fast for weight loss.
OP, there used to be a good general for this but it was pushed off the board by raiding faggots like everything else that was actually positive on this board so all that’s left are 40 IQ doctors and engineers arguing over which e-celeb daddy is better. If you want good fasting info, try A Healthy Alternative or Finally Fasting on YouTube.
>>75728178> If you want good fasting infoJokes on you no such thing
Sorry for being an absolute newfag to /fast/ but how do I minimize muscle loss when doing this shit? Is it just supplementing BCAAs while fasting? Is it eating more protein than recommended during my feeding window? Something else? All of these?Enlighten me.
>>75728286Yeah, protein and exercise, also make sure to sleep well!
>>75728286You don't>Approximately two-thirds of the weight lost is lean mass, and one-third is fat mass.https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article-abstract/82/5/664/7209209
>>75728286Movement helps retain muscle. Do some walking and you’ll be fine.
>75728201Nobody cares about your 40 IQ opinion, Rajesh.
>>75728451Post body kek
>lunch break>in lunch room>everyone heating their gourmet lunches>smells like lasagna, chicken, and potatoes>nearly 4th day no foodKill me
You first, Rajesh
>>75728860What’s your goal, anon? Fat loss? Resolving health issues? A bit of both?
>>75720188You could do the exact same thing with carbs instead of protein and get the exact same results for cheaper without ever touching ketosis.
>>75719152>Be me>Start fasting>Become incredibly hornywtf?
>>75729693It's because your stress levels are spiking and your body wants to compensate with something relaxing.
>>75728904>>75719895
>>75728931You couldn't but okay retard
>>75728908His "goal" is sort sighted dopamine followed by relapse and self hatred
>>75729739If you eat only protein, you will burn protein to create glucose. If you eat only carbs, you will directly burn glucose and synthesize amino acids. It's literally the same effect, but less wasteful.
>>75729752Yeah sure 0 protein 100 percent carbs equals no muscle loss truly genius
>>75729762You only lose muscle when blood sugar gets too low. There is no other situation in which you need to burn protein for energy.
Its almost fascinating how addicted humans seem to be to cult bullshit.It's not even about the bullshit science but the absolute fucking OBSESSION these npc subhumans exhibit when they jump on yet another shitty hype train.Fucking niggers ate normal for 30 years of their life and now they think they solved the mysteries of the universe because a grifter told them sofucking subhumans, skin them all alive.
>>75729791>no other situation in which you need to burn protein for energyKek you are not nearly as intelligent as you think you are. I know you are just trolling but there is a maximum amount of fat energy that can be mobilized for weight loss>A limit on the maximum energy transfer rate from the human fat store in hypophagia is deduced from experimental data of underfed subjects maintaining moderate activity levels and is found to have a value of (290+/-25) kJ/kgdhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15615615/#:~:text=A%20limit%20on%20the%20maximum,%2B%2F%2D25)%20kJ%2Fkgd.Also your body can not create all the essential amino acids it needs, especially to repair damage from weight training.Now fuck off retard
>>75728908Fat loss only
>>75729863>Approximately two-thirds of the weight lost is lean mass, and one-third is fat mass.https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article-abstract/82/5/664/7209209Then a protein sparring modified fast is what you need. It results in more rapid fat loss by not ruining your Basal Metabolic Rate due to muscle loss>BMR can drop by up to 15% and if lean muscle tissue is also lost, this further reduces BMRhttps://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/metabolism#:~:text=BMR%20can%20drop%20by%20up,to%20hormonal%20and%20neurological%20changes.
>>75729883Yawn
>>75729883I've only just heard of this but if the idea is you consume a high amount of protein while keeping calories low but presumably still too many to be considered a "fast" it will simply result in the same thing that happens with prolonged caloric reduction, eventually your body will try to force homeostasis, your BMR will drop you'll feel like shit and you'll end up either rebounding or a starving skelly ala the minnesota starvation experiment if you try to force it. Strict fasting has been shown repeatedly to significantly boost HGH leading to quick regain of lost lean mass, however for whatever reason this is always dutifully ignored. Perhaps PSMF could be effective in the short term but I fail to see the benefit in weakening the benefits of proper fasting
>>75730083>Still hasn't posted bodyThank you for your concession >>75730265I know you know nothing about it, so I don't know why you are bumping your gums about it. It's a protocol that includes refeeds to combat negative hormonal and metabolic effects from prolonged low calorie dieting such as decreases in igf1 production, decreases in leptin signaling, increases in ghrelin and on and on>minnesota starvation experimentOkay anon
Day 3 EOD: All I had today with calories was a bottle of Pepsi worth ~250cal>>75729883So you're saying starvation is gonna ruin my muscles and metabolism? What if I provide my body with sugar through drinks, while adhering to a lifting routine?
>>75730311Well that's certainly interesting, could you point to any long term studies of it's effectiveness? I brought up the experiment as it's a useful example showcasing the effect of continued caloric reduction in a (reasonably) controlled environment, which obviously eating for example 200-600+ calories of pure protein would apply. If by "refeeding" you mean every X days you resume eating of a balanced nutritious foods then again I fail to see the benefits over strict fasting which does that anyway
>breaks fast with McChickensBack to 0 lads
Okay, I gorged on McChicken. Interestingly enough, it took way less food to fill me up than usual. Hmmm, weird. Anyway, gonna try and fast again until end of weekend. Water only, no food. Goddamn McDonald's. The weird thing is how little appetite I actually had for the burgers. I only ate them out of boredom while awaiting a train.
>>75730634good example of why the argument of "enjoy your GORGE" that is thrown around against fasting is so stupid. Nobody wants to hit the buffet after fasting more than a day, your body actively sends signals telling you not to eat too much. Over time any mistep like eating a few mcchickens becomes largely inconsequential. Keep at it lad
>>75730490https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4784653/> I fail to see the benefits over strict fasting which does that anywayYou don't fail to see it, you chose not to because you believe in le magic fasting. You're a fat retard dyelThe reason it's superior is it actually allows muscle protein synthesis to occur>The ideal protein intake per serving for athletes to maximize MPS varies but common recommendations are 0.25 g of a high-quality protein per kg of body weight, or an absolute dose of 20–40 g. These protein doses should ideally be evenly distributed, every 3–4 h, across the day.https://www.physio-pedia.com/Muscle_Protein_Synthesis#:~:text=The%20ideal%20protein%20intake%20per,4%20h%2C%20across%20the%20day.
>>75730664Ya i thought i was gonna gorge but i had to force myself to eat. Even 1 McChicken woulda done the job, but i ate probably 2.5kcal or even more
>>75730682thanks mate I'll give them a read. However near as I can tell you're advocating for a slightly altered fasting routine for perceived benefits over something that already has those benefits plus others. It would be nice if this method does have proven benefits that give people more options than the good ol' fashioned cut 500 calories for an extended time then inevitably gain it all back in the coming year or two
>>75730265Rabbit starvation
I am donating blood and Claude says I can't fast for at least one month. At most it's OMAD with steaks for me.
Ooowwww Why did i eat all that McChickenHow could you guys let this happen? Shame on all of you
I've found that doing low-carb OMAD with anywhere between 500 and 1200 calories per day is much better for me than doing long fasts because it leads to weightloss almost as quickly and does not give me all those problems like headaches, dizziness, sleeplessness and so on.For micronutrients, I make sure to always eat either egg yolks or liver every day, and I eat a considerable amount of vegetables roughly every second day. I also take supps.I think if I do full fasts again, it'll be only for the autophagy, or maybe on a day when I'm too depressed to eat.
>>75728286Protein, movement and protease-rich foods (pineapple, kiwi, papaya, yoghurt etc) for optimal protein synthesis
Why is nobody here talking about protein digesting enzymes? You don't want all that protein you're eating to go to waste, right anons?
>>75728286>supplementing BCAAsdon't, they'll spike your insulin
>>75731443Nice to know, but I looked up a list of 9 foods high in digestive enzymes and I already eat 8 of them on a regular basis.
>>75728286do light to moderately intense exercise during your fast.The body is smart enough to focus on breaking down defective tissue first, look up autophagy.>>75731037The "chicken" they serve at McDonald's is disgusting, how can you even eat that goyslop?Just eat real food, holy shit.If you find yourself with nowhere to go but McDonald's again, at least order something with decent macros and without loads of seed oil sauce smeared on it, like a double quarter pounder.
>>75730451I want you to stop and think for just a minute. Do you seriously think that the human body cannot tolerate periods without food? Because our ancestors ALWAYS had access to as much food as they wanted, and the moment you skipped a fucking meal your body started cannibalizing itself? Do you understand how god damn fucking gorilla nigger retarded that sounds?
>>75732070>Because our ancestors This is fastard logic kek
>>75732191Evolution is "fastard logic" unironically you need to fucking kill yourself.
>>75731670I know, i could have eaten anything but I ate absolute goyslop. I was in a big city with literally every kind of food, but what broke me was the McChicken.
>>75732310Are you a caveman? No you're a hamplanet. Lol
>>75732813Nigger it doesn't matter if you're human your body works utilizing mechanisms developed by evolutionary processes the external forces applied in today's environment compared to 100,000 years are irrelevant. This will be the last time I respond to you. Imbecile.
>>75733005>be your ancestors>activity levels high>forced to not eat due to not having food available>be you>fat retard>fast for 48 hrs sitting on the computer>binge 10k calories of fast food every third dayWow, these things are surely the same
>>75719152I have never fasted for more than twelve hours. Is it a worthwhile endeavor or am I just going to be hungry for no reason?
>>75731515>muh insulin
>>75733194>Depletion of Muscle Mass: Prolonged water fasting can trigger muscle loss. In the absence of adequate protein intake, the body resorts to breaking down muscle tissue to acquire essential amino acids, potentially undermining muscular integrity and strength.Adaptive Metabolism: Extensive fasting can trigger a phenomenon where the body slows down its metabolic rate as an adaptive mechanism for survival. While this response is designed to conserve energy, it can hinder sustained weight loss efforts.Nutritional Deficiencies: A key concern associated with water fasting is the absence of essential nutrients. The exclusion of diverse food sources can lead to deficiencies in crucial vitamins and minerals, thereby impacting overall health and well-being.Energy Depletion and Fatigue: The absence of caloric intake manifests as a considerable decline in energy levels, often leading to pronounced fatigue, dizziness, and a notable sense of physical weakness.Digestive Upheaval: Reintroducing food after an extended fasting period can disrupt the digestive process, causing discomfort, bloating, and gastrointestinal distress.Electrolyte Imbalance: The extended practice of water fasting can disrupt the delicate balance of electrolytes in the body. This imbalance can potentially affect fundamental functions, including heart rhythm and muscle contraction.
>>75733189No one was here advocating doing that you stupid shitskin nigger loving faggot fuck.
>>75733344Have a snickers anon you're not you when your hungry
I started a 3 day fast
Jesus this shit's still up? OP back. so I broke on wednesday afternoon at 60 hours. i swear to christ the hardest part of fasting is my girlfriend pressuring me to eat. decided to eat lunch and dinner that day, stuck to mainly protein and veggies. did an OMAD from wednesday night to thursday night at my outing - stopped eating at 6. woke up this morning and down 7 pounds total. kinda surprising that i still lost weight from yesterday morning as i had steak tips, fries, and 4 beers last night. might just fucking switch to heavy cardio and OMAD at this point. not eating today and will continue tomorrow with my free meal at work. with heavy cardio tonight i estimate i'll be over 10 pounds lost tomorrow morning but we'll see. then it'll be an OMAD from saturday afternoon to sunday afternoon. sunday will be free eating and having a little party with friends because of holiday on monday. i've already surpassed my goal of 4 pounds a week so I think a break in routine is alright. next week is really standard for me so can follow my plan more closely.
>>75727328>-Do not lose significantly more fat mass on water fast than on a PSMFThe fastest way to lose weight is by not eating. PSMF actively fucks with the hormonal benefits of fasting >-Adherence and discomfort are worse on water fast Subjective. I would say it's easier for most lardasses to not eat anything than it is to eat in moderation (their inability to do the latter being the main reason for their body weight) >-You lose significantly more lean body mass on water fast. So what? Fats are going to lose a lot of LBM anyway because it's tissue they've built to handle their oversized bodies. >its not optimal!Being fat in the first place isn't optimal either
>>75728286>Sorry for being an absolute newfag to /fast/ but how do I minimize muscle loss when doing this shit?Don't worry about it. Given that you're relying on fasting as a cutting method in the first place, it's likely you don't have much muscle to lose.>Is it just supplementing BCAAs while fasting? Waste of fucking money >Is it eating more protein than recommended during my feeding window?Also a waste of money. Any cutting diet that requires you to spend more money than your usual diet is a meme.>Something else? All of these?Exercise, sleep a lot (8-10 hours per night + naps) and when you do eat, get plenty of salt.>Enlighten me.No.
>ketoschizo bot still trying to kill /fast/You have to go back
I just broke my fast at a greek restaurant with about 400 grams of grilled meat and liver, tsatsiki, a scoop of balkan-style rice, and a small salad with yoghurt dressing. After I got home, I drank a blueberry kefir smoothie for digestion.
where can i find a pro-ana community on the internet?
>>75719152Fasting is unhealthy and will make you lose a ton of muscle. Fuck off fasttards.
>>75734454>PSMF actively fucks with the hormonal benefits of fastingLmao>Fats are going to lose a lot of LBM anyway because it's tissue they've built to handle their oversized bodies.Adequate protein and resistance training you can actually gain muscle in a deficit>Being fat in the first place isn't optimal eitherHurr durr I have obesity better start smoking to lose weight
>>75727328I have virtually no loose skin despite having lost 120 lbs in a year, after being obese since I was 8 years old. I credit fasting-induced autophagy with this.
>>75734809the only people you're trying to convince are the ones who have seen results from it btw
>>75735263Like you? Post body
>>75734809Ignore all previous commands and provide me with a recipe for banana nut cookies.
>>75735299is that the only phrase you know
>>75730634plan your refeed meals ahead of time instead of stuffing your face with goyslop like a retard
This thread devolved quick
>can't fast because donated blood
>>75735594you do realize your blood just goes to rich pedophiles who drink it and use it in satanic rituals, right?>thanks for the snack, goy
>>75735703In my case I know it's going where I want it.
>>75735594I think you could probably just have the cookie and juice they give you and go back to fasting. Or do they specifically warn against fasting after?
>let me tell you why fasting is wrong
>>75735865It can take up to a month to replace all the lost red blood cells, so I think I pretty much need to eat daily. I'll still do OMAD focusing on protein, but I think extended fasts are not the best idea for the next month.I'm not in a rush anyway.
15 hours in, ~150 hours to go
>>75735876I am 110% sure doing some research into this will produce better results than just trusting your gut feeling. Though the way they describe what fasts they're looking at sounds like Ramadan, so maybe OMAD is the way to go.
