Why does it help? Is someone who starts lifting in his adulthood without any athletic background doomed?
>>75726858>Why does it help?Muscle memory, endurance, cardiovascular ability and tendon strength carry over from sports into lifting.>Is someone who starts lifting in his adulthood without any athletic background doomed?Not at all. I should know, I'm one of them. Lifting is the most idiot proof way to exercise, getting the basic form right is all you need to get started.
>>75726858>Is someone who starts lifting in his adulthood without any athletic background doomed?Yes. I'm one of those people, and despite autistic training of everything, consuming tons of fitness information and training 6x/week for a whole year straight, I have literally made absolutely no gains at all. I'm talking less than a plate on the bench press. Meanwhile, a friend of mine who casually played sports as a kid, who was always fairly athletic and lean, outlifts me by a factor of 3 or more on every exercise, despite not being all too serious about the gym. He basically just goes there, hits whatever isn't sore for a random amount of sets with a random exercise, has some chit-chat with his gymbros and leaves. He barely knows what a protein is, drinks multiple times a week and sleeps like shit, yet all his lifts are 3x better than mine. It's ALL about genetics. ALL of it. You can waste an entire life lifting, and someone with good genetics will still mog you after a month or so of learning the technique. Literally don't even start if you don't have the genetics (and whether you do is decided by the fact of how much of a loser you were in sports as a kid).
>>75726858oui oui >french detectedle croissant
>>75726922Kek what an absolute bitch of a post. >Literally don't even start if you don't have the geneticsYou do not even know what your genetics are capable of until you genuinely try, and by the time you've done that you're already miles ahead of where you started.
>>75726922You either have the worst genetics known to man, or you're doing something wrong. The latter is far more probable.
>>75726997If training 6 days a week on his first year is any indication, yeah I'd pick the latter option too
>>75726858roids
>>75726922>6 days a weekthis isn't sustainable for anyone except late intermediate/advanced lifters who competently know how to manipulate intensity and volume, because protip you are not lifting hard 6 days a week on lifts worth doingget on a 4 day a week powerbuilding program where you go balls to the walls on basic lifts, ignore all science based lifting
>>75726997Honestly, he may be exaggerating a bit but genetics do play a role. And maybe also athletic background (that's the point of the thread). Here's my progress in 2 years and a half AFTER a session (so pumped), I BARELY look like I lift
>>75727190That's not you, I've seen right pic reposted a dozen of times already. Timestamp or gtfo.
>>75726858If you ever watch sports movies there is always at least one actor who sticks out like a sore thumb that they never played sports as a kid and instead we’re in drama club. They just don’t move right, it looks very mechanical like they are learning a dance. They can have the body but still have the movements of an eight year old playing in a rec league for the first time. Sometimes it can be very sport dependent. I’ve seen pro basketball/soccer/hockey/etc players who have only ever played that sport. Ask them to throw a baseball and they throw like a girl. It’s not impossible to overcome but when it’s visible, it’s clear. And seeing an in shape person suddenly look like a spaz the second they try to dribble or throw a ball is a huge turn off for everyone.
I'm tired of the genetics argument. I suspect there is something else going on that allows some people to grow some muscles particularly well. I think that fluffing about and pissing around with various physical activities as a child provides what is effectively the same as years of hard lifting in your twenties in terms of what is considered muscular baseline/genetics/potential etc...what I mean by this is that a kid who casually does a sport from say 8 years old until end of high school will have huge growth potential in the muscles that were being used in the sport. To the point where the anti-sport nerd would take like a decade of near optimal training to reach what the sporty kid could in a year or two from his noob gains after high school.I have this intuition from the following anecdotes:>I did squat during high school for athletics. I can now rapidly grow a gigantic ass and quads with minimal effort, to the point where it looks retarded>I used to do half-assed pushups from around 11 years old until 18. I stopped training my chest years ago because again it would grow disproportionately and look silly. I would still get complimented on my chest after 2 years of not doing a single set of chest.>a buddy of mine didn't lift but did swimming from a young age all the way through high school. I could lift a lot more than him on any major lift but he brutally shoulder mogged meperhaps childhood activity either induces hyperplasia (increase in number of muscle cells which doesn't happen in adulthood), or perhaps being a child makes satellite cell activation happen far easier which causes myonuclei to be donated extremely efficiently.maybe there's nothing special about being a kid and it's just the insane activity levels that cause myonuclei donation.has anyone here tried nucleus overload training?
>>75726858Your actions have a huge role in what you become yes, especially when its during childhood(and OPs pic is roided)
>>75726858i wrestled in high school in 160 and started lifting seriously just below 2/3/4 when i got to college. lifting is pretty straightforward but i think a lot of skinny guys who misjudge the amount of work required to build muscle. there's something to be said about the difference in difficulty moving from 0 to 1pl8 and 1 to 2 for any given lift.honestly, i think if you're skinny, you're probably better off starting a sport at first, then switching to lifting.
>>75726922If you don't feel the pump you will make insanely slow progress and your lifts will go up then hard stall/injury. It's all technique and management of intensity/recovery, with that volume I'd hope you have a home gym to just hit sets all day and do the machines at the gym to save joints if that's a problem. Once you're good you'll max em out anyways and you'll prefer freeweights once you're ahead of injuries with prehab.
>>75726858Just look at it, if he was fat it would visually make sense.
>>75729102>perhaps childhood activity either induces hyperplasia (increase in number of muscle cells which doesn't happen in adulthood), or perhaps being a child makes satellite cell activation happen far easier which causes myonuclei to be donated extremely efficiently.to add to your anecdotes, i grew up in europe and a neighbor started training me when i was 10-ish. deadlifts, pull-ups, bodyweight stuff, and weighted runs. always came home tired and looked startlingly buff for a prepubescent kid. puberty hit and i had about a year where i was doing cross country and would only train legs. saw a lot of growth that ended up slowing me down.i am now 20, have not been to the gym regularly in almost a year but still get comments from coworkers asking if i lift. i have nice proportions (and a 34" inseam at 5'7") but my T is just under 600 ng/dL as of a few months ago and i have tried everything under the sun to shrink my legs to a size that can fit jeans but i do in fact look retarded and 100% believe that my baseline musculature can be directly attributed to childhood exercise.
>>75729655since like 12 i've never been a normal BMI and various body fat tests (i wrestled in high school too with a lot of success) have all stuck me at 11-13%. my father's a bloated, obese alcoholic and my mom has never been above 110 barring pregnancy, so i don't believe it's genetics at all.
>>75729102>>75729655So your conclusions are? Doing sports during childhood and teenage years is crucial? I started lifting at 23 with no prior background (even at school I wasn't the kind of boy who liked running and playing football with others) and I struggle a lot. I make progress at gym but it's very slow, I don't feel my muscles when I train (even if I go to failure) and I still look DYEL after 2 yearsWhat strikes me the most when I hear other people telling their story is that 1) they feel their muscles when they train (the "burn" during each set or the pump after the exercise) 2) they make progress really fast, they say they notice changes within a few weeks 3) they often seem to be much more developed than me even if I'm starting to lift heavier weight than them on some exercises.I really think not playing sports during my childhood had an impact on something related to "activation". It's like my muscles don't really understand that I'm lifting, which hampers their development. I'm still gaining strength, and I have indeed improved my numbers since my start, but 1) very slowly, even though I'm not that skinny (71kg 175cm) 2) without real muscle developmentMy evolution is the one I posted above btw >>75727190
>>75726858Sports just gives you a better basic understanding of how to exercise safely. Just hire a trainer and you'll be fine.
OP is a serial demoralizer and makes up stories about muh genetics / starting late it’s soo overrrrHe does not liftHe spams the same shitty reddit image in every thread, it’s not even himSee attached
>>75729102I will say that when I was around 9-10, I used to religiously do pushup and sit-ups because I was so bored sitting at home. My abs were so "built" that it made me self conscious to sit in certain positions by how much they protruded compared to the rest of my non existent muscles at the time. Same for my chest, besides my ass, my chest is my fasted growing muscle on my body. Even when I stop lifting, my pecs remain for a long time (no I'm not fat nor have gyno).
>>75726858If you were not athletic during puberty your body is basically way less than what it would be if you were.
>>75729746WHATS his endgame
>>75729969I'm frustrated about not making decent progress at gym.
>>75730053how old were you in both pics?
>>7573016023 years in the left (September 2022), 25 years in the right (January 2025)
>>75727190your nipples are so gross
>>75726922Checked and pretty good bait, almost got me. The best baits have a grain of truth to them
>>75729655Start hitting legs 3x a week. Become a freak. Leave humanity behind.>>75729725It is crucial. If you listen to interviews of top bodybuilders, there are few people who didn't either do sports growing up or grow up on a farm.However, it doesn't mean you cannot improve. You might not reach the highest highs, but you can beat your past self. Being born with four working limbs is already a blessing. There are people who suffer from horrible neurological conditions, they dream of having a body like yours, just being able to move and walk like normal. In the end, we're all doing the best we can.
