Hanging leg raises are so goated for that shrink wrap core look
>>76605038why did you post this? what kind of mindless retard posts inane shit like this? Have you just started working out?
>>76605038completely agree. i started going toe to bar and then i incorporated the windscreen wiper motion too. havent done them for years, need to get back into it.>>76605047shut the fuck up faggot.
>>76605070>Hanging leg raisesiliopsoas bot >>76604180
>>76605686you're wrong. hanging leg raise hits the lower rectus abs extremely hard. nothing better
>>76605975>extremely>>76605686>iliopsoas bot>>76605686>iliopsoas bot>>>76604180 >I've been here since 2010 and there isn't a single piece of advice here that I ever thought anyone should follow.true botardo-cretino100% correctbut if one realizes that simple and patently obvious factoid - that it's one entity producing fake robotized traffic in sole interest to fuck up unsuspecting reader ... then one can infer awful lot out of it :D u are a fucking goldmine bot xDbut it requires a lil experimentation and knowledge and pure human intelligence and ingenuity to come up with sth that actually works and doesn't fuck yer upALL abs exercises are iliopsoas, crunch also, yes ditto for fancy machines, but your insistence on dragon flags (hanging leg raises, roman chair) made me try this retardation, surprised not - it's retarded, u are lifting ur legs up with iliopsoasso what if i bend knees and hips and fold legs atop of pelvis, but then i can't lift my pelvis up without holding onto sth, but i don't want to roll on spine anyways so i just need to weigh upper body down somehowso i grab 2 light dumbbells and move my extended arms with dumbbels past head>coolnow i can lift my pelvis with legs folded on top of it up - i am not rolling backwards on spine curvature, i am lifting my pelvis off ground with just my upper back on the floor, not holding on to anything, just dumbbels in straight arms allow me to counterbalance weight of my lower body and i can lift it up>so what?WITH ABS I AM LIFTING PELVIS WITH ABS>no it's still iliopsoasit's not, legs are resting balanced over pelvis, there is no load pulling on legs, just pelvis wants to drop down which i prevent WITH ABS, there is no load on psoas and there is too much slack in it to act>no it's still iliopsoas and rectus femorisit's not bot i did it twice and my abs grew and demarcated from everything around themMAKE SURE U'RE GETTING THE MUSCLE IN THE FIRST PLACE, THAN TALK ABOUT LOCAL HYPERTROPHY
Lying leg raises are better, completely inverses the strength curve.
>>76607704what the fuck are you talking about
>>76605070how the fuck do you progress up to toes to bar?I assumed it was just ab strength but when I do leg raises my quads contract a lot and I feel like I can't go further up than 90°
>>76607773>>76607757>my quads contractthat hip flexor that's called rectus femoris > I feel like I can't go further up than 90°no abs were worked :D >>76607704>MAKE SURE U'RE GETTING THE MUSCLE IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEN TALK ABOUT LOCAL HYPERTROPHYbitch bot gpt --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ALL abs exercises are iliopsoas, crunch also, yes ditto for fancy machines, but your insistence on dragon flags (hanging leg raises, roman chair) made me try this retardation, surprised not - it's retarded, u are lifting ur legs up with iliopsoasso what if i bend knees and hips and fold legs atop of pelvis, but then i can't lift my pelvis up without holding onto sth, but i don't want to roll on spine anyways so i just need to weigh upper body down somehowso i grab 2 light dumbbells and move my extended arms with dumbbels past head>coolnow i can lift my pelvis with legs folded on top of it up - i am not rolling backwards on spine curvature, i am lifting my pelvis off ground with just my upper back on the floor, not holding on to anything, just dumbbels in straight arms allow me to counterbalance weight of my lower body and i can lift it up>so what?WITH ABS I AM LIFTING PELVIS WITH ABS
>>76607801>that hip flexor that's called rectus femoristhat's exactly the one, never knew its name. Thank you, bot-kun!
>>76607801I don't understand a word this idiot says so I asked chatgpt to translate from retard to english:Counterbalanced Reverse Pelvic Lift (Abs-focused, not hip flexors)SetupLie on your back, arms extended straight overhead holding light dumbbells (5–10 kg total is plenty).Keep your upper back and shoulders pressed into the floor.Leg positionBend hips and knees, fold legs toward your torso so thighs rest above your pelvis. Shins roughly parallel to the floor.CounterbalanceLet the dumbbells behind your head act as an anchor so you don’t roll backward.MovementExhale and tilt your pelvis posteriorly lift your hips a few inches off the ground, drawing pubic bone toward sternum.Keep knees stacked above hips; avoid kicking legs up.Control the lower back down to the floor.CuesThink: curling pelvis upward with abs not lifting legs with hip flexors.Range of motion is small — focus on control, not height.holy shit, this retard just invented the crunchbitch bot gpt :D bot bitch :D :D
>>76607832xD ur welcome botardo-cretino and if u ever want to stop abusing psoas and work some abs (god it looks fucking amazing when abs mix in with lower pecs) it's here boto-idioto: >>76607801
>>76607848>Keep your upper back and shoulders pressed into the floor.it's gonna be kept regardless botardo retardo - u just lie on yer back >Let the dumbbells behind your head act as an anchor so you don’t roll backward.no bot, so it's heavier than pelvis and legs setup and can lift it up, otherwise it''s not possible >Movement>Exhale and tilt your pelvis posteriorly lift your hips a few inches off the ground, drawing pubic bone toward sternum.no, just lift yer arse straight up and HOLD, there is no "movement" xD just constant load on abs>holy shit, this retard just invented the crunchxD when in "crunch" are u lifting your pelvis up in relation to torso ? u don't, cause crunch is also iliopsoas (and rectus femoris), it's a dragon flag but it noe does abs, cause i fixed it bitch bot gpt xD >>76607801w8 a fucking minute, u're right there is sth else i am missing bot >huwhat is it hooman? i am dying to know ribs, ribs positioning, they are UP SO THAT THEY CAN PULL PELVIS UP that's why it works (and enough slack in ilioposas to make it null and void) but u're correct bot, there is very distinct difference between my exercise and crunch, rib-cage positioning haha, can't w8 to experiment with it some more :D
>>76607886I agree that leg raises don't hit the abs because I don't feel it in my abs. But cable crunches demonstrably DO hit the abs. My abs feel incredibly sore when I do them.
>>76607918>But cable crunches demonstrably DO hit the abs. My abs feel incredibly sore when I do them.lies :D i didn't even get sore bot - they just fucking grew after 2 times half assing it, just feeling it out :D >>76607801>>76607886anyways, that's enough, u can stop posting horrible ugly things bot >>76607938i've had enough fun with u for noe
>>76607958You're doing them wrong then. Your positioning is wrong or you're not using enough weight or doing enough reps.In the cable crunch setup your legs aren't involved at all, your iliopsoas is in a fixed position. As you round over and pull down into your groin the dominant muscle is your abs. Your upper back and delts are engaged somewhat because they're under constant tension from the cable, but the abs are what actually move the weight.
>>76607985>In the cable crunch setup your legs aren't involved at alLIES THEY ARE PRIMARY MOVER IN ANY CRUNCH i have spent probaly years trying to switch off iliopsoas during various crunch variants and i couldn't do it >your iliopsoas is in a fixed positionEXEPT IT MOVES WITH THE SPINE that IT BENDS >As you round over and pull down into your groin the dominant muscle is your abs.bot asserts, no it's rectus femoris and iliopsoas> but the abs are what actually move the weightassertion is not and argument bot :D u cant just say so u, don't even seem to fully understand what is happening in my variant of (effectively) portion of candlestick movement as evidenced here: >>76607848to reiterate: >>76607801>MAKE SURE U'RE GETTING THE MUSCLE IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEN TALK ABOUT LOCAL HYPERTROPHYbitch bot gpt--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ALL abs exercises are iliopsoas, crunch also, yes ditto for fancy machines, but your insistence on dragon flags (hanging leg raises, roman chair) made me try this retardation, surprised not - it's retarded, u are lifting ur legs up with iliopsoasso what if i bend knees and hips and fold legs atop of pelvis, but then i can't lift my pelvis up without holding onto sth, but i don't want to roll on spine anyways so i just need to weigh upper body down somehowso i grab 2 light dumbbells and move my extended arms with dumbbels past head>coolnow i can lift my pelvis with legs folded on top of it up - i am not rolling backwards on spine curvature, i am lifting my pelvis off ground with just my upper back on the floor, not holding on to anything, just dumbbels in straight arms allow me to counterbalance weight of my lower body and i can lift it up>so what?WITH ABS I AM LIFTING PELVIS WITH ABS>but what is unique about your thing hooman ?full hip flexion (slack in ilio-psoas) without hip extending load - this is ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE BOT :D
>>76608098Hmm, no that's not correct. You sit back on your feet and any movement involving the iliopsoas is minimised. Of course it's basically impossible to purely isolate a muscle but everyone just assumes that when discussing any isolation exercise, you'd have to be stupid to think otherwise. It's like when people talk about isolating the biceps with curls, your upper back and delts still activate but it's negligible involvement.Anyone that's done 20+ reps of a cable crunch knows first hand that it hits all the abs hard.> assertion is not and argument bot :D u cant just say so u, don't even seem to fully understand what is happening in my variant of (effectively) portion of candlestick movement as evidenced here: That's exactly what you do in all your arguments though, you just assert something. Naming the muscles involved doesn't stop it from being a baseless assertion, you actually need to demonstrate it. Cable crunches have been demonstrated many times to effectively target the abs. The only reason I didn't understand your unique exercise is because you have very poor writing skills. I appreciate it's your second language (I fucking hope it is) but you should read more books so you can articulate yourself better.
>>76608524There's no redemption for that retard, just ignore him.
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>>76608548>>76609216so i did it twice so far and my abs responded better than ever to anything - what is your take botardo idioto? >>76608548>>76609216which is just yet another form of bot meltdown :D like pictured - do not open - it's just filth it's like it malfunctions and is forced to excrete excrement or sth, i do not know really :D to reiterate:>>76607801>MAKE SURE U'RE GETTING THE MUSCLE IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEN TALK ABOUT LOCAL HYPERTROPHYbitch bot gpt--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ALL abs exercises are iliopsoas, crunch also, yes ditto for fancy machines, but your insistence on dragon flags (hanging leg raises, roman chair) made me try this retardation, surprised not - it's retarded, u are lifting ur legs up with iliopsoasso what if i bend knees and hips and fold legs atop of pelvis, but then i can't lift my pelvis up without holding onto sth, but i don't want to roll on spine anyways so i just need to weigh upper body down somehowso i grab 2 light dumbbells and move my extended arms with dumbbels past head>coolnow i can lift my pelvis with legs folded on top of it up - i am not rolling backwards on spine curvature, i am lifting my pelvis off ground with just my upper back on the floor, not holding on to anything, just dumbbels in straight arms allow me to counterbalance weight of my lower body and i can lift it up>so what?WITH ABS I AM LIFTING PELVIS WITH ABS>but what is unique about your thing hooman ?full hip flexion (slack in ilio-psoas) without hip extending load - this is ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE BOT :D
>>76609263what fucking point are you even driving at. this is just incomprehensible blocks of drivel.
>>76609263Please kill yourself
>>76609263it's 2025 m8 nobody knows what you're trying to say here
What the fuck is going on in this thread? Yes i agree leg raises are patrician. I have also begun to incorporate ring work, namely L-sits, frog pose. 3 sets of 30 seconds. My goal is to work to full planche. A very based full body maneuver indeed
>>76609355>>76609379>>76609837>>76610697>it's 2025 m8 nobody knows what you're trying to say yawn bot - i am not making this shit up bot :D here's an (failed) attempt at what i achieved with this: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ALL abs exercises are iliopsoas, crunch also, yes ditto for fancy machines, but your insistence on dragon flags (hanging leg raises, roman chair) made me try this retardation, surprised not - it's retarded, u are lifting ur legs up with iliopsoasso what if i bend knees and hips and fold legs atop of pelvis, but then i can't lift my pelvis up without holding onto sth, but i don't want to roll on spine anyways so i just need to weigh upper body down somehowso i grab 2 light dumbbells and move my extended arms with dumbbels past head>coolnow i can lift my pelvis with legs folded on top of it up - i am not rolling backwards on spine curvature, i am lifting my pelvis off ground with just my upper back on the floor, not holding on to anything, just dumbbels in straight arms allow me to counterbalance weight of my lower body and i can lift it up>so what?WITH ABS I AM LIFTING PELVIS WITH ABS>but what is unique about your thing hooman ?full hip flexion (slack in ilio-psoas) without hip extending load - this is ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE BOT :D
>>76610835https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjFeAHXSoY0>here's an (failed) attempt at what i achieved with this:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ALL abs exercises are iliopsoas, crunch also, yes ditto for fancy machines, but your insistence on dragon flags (hanging leg raises, roman chair) made me try this retardation, surprised not - it's retarded, u are lifting ur legs up with iliopsoasso what if i bend knees and hips and fold legs atop of pelvis, but then i can't lift my pelvis up without holding onto sth, but i don't want to roll on spine anyways so i just need to weigh upper body down somehowso i grab 2 light dumbbells and move my extended arms with dumbbels past head>coolnow i can lift my pelvis with legs folded on top of it up - i am not rolling backwards on spine curvature, i am lifting my pelvis off ground with just my upper back on the floor, not holding on to anything, just dumbbels in straight arms allow me to counterbalance weight of my lower body and i can lift it up>so what?WITH ABS I AM LIFTING PELVIS WITH ABS>but what is unique about your thing hooman ?full hip flexion (slack in ilio-psoas) without hip extending load - this is ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE BOT :D______________________________________________________https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjFeAHXSoY0do not roll on your spine - lift pelvis straight up :D with abs :D
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>>76605038doesn't help if you have a little loose skin there. I wasn't morbidly obese but I will probably never have those ab veins that go down to your cock. Im lucky I get to have upper/mid abs and the V-taper when im exceptionally lean desu. Maybe if I can gain like 30 lbs of muscle itll all tighten up. I do do steroids so its not unfeasible but years away at best and will probably cost my hair so
>>76605038So is climbing, where you do the same movement in more dynamic settings
>>76607848>this retard just invented the crunchhe explicity says all the time to not roll the spine. but keep your entire upper body straight, like dragon flags, and then move it from the hips, not the other way up. but it doesnt make much sense to me, why the isometric hold of core is better than the crunch, since there are different muscles in various intensity involved
