>fucks your back up Only needs to happen once and it could genuinely change your life
no one is fucking their back up doing SLDL
>>76643128This is an RDL and every deadlift can fuck your back up
>>76643126If you have a weak back to begin with I think bent over rows are a lot more dangerous
>>76643129>this isn't technical death metal it's brutal death metalthanks for the clarification loser
>>76643126Just did these today and i don't see how the lower back would get fucked. The hamstrings however are at full lengthened position so i could see something happening there, but realistically that never happens does it?
>>76643140>how can you injure your back using your hips to hinge a shit tonne of weight
>>76643126Im short dls dont do shit for me except make me feel strong
>>76643140>but realistically that never happens does it?realistically if u feel sth failing in the back of your knee u will round back in actuality u don't want arse part of hamstrings grown faster (if at all) than knee part of hamstring, hence: >>76643074>>>>76639648 >>>i lay on my back in fornt of table and do these:>>>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NfwtDIscQm8>>>awesome :D as isometric hold of course - remeber to point toes>honestly bot, heel-hook cured my leg aesthetics and health and strenght and functionality, i am 100% convinced there are few more overlooked movements with so many benefits
I’m I unironically losing gains skipping on deadlifts? I’m trying to get my squat and bench up but I feel like the risk ain’t worth it
>fucks your back>makes you look dyel>takes time to set up>abysmal energy spent/gains ratioBut at least fat guys on the Internet will not make fun of you for not doing it.
>>76643164Skipping horrible lifts like this will grant you gains. Bench is fine tho.
>>76643126I did RDLs for years and yes it only took one lapse in form and I felt a pain in my lower back which fucked me up for months. Hyperextensions and leg curls are enough for me
>>76643170>But at least fat guys on the Internet will not make fun of you for not doing it.fat skinny, everyone will make fun of u if u don't git numbers on barbell movements, it's written on your forhead and everyone can see your:>>76643164>deadlifts? I’m trying to get my squat and benchcause u MUST use retarded heavy stick to fuck yourself up, otherwise why even live? >>76643164>I’m I unironically losing gains skipping on deadlifts?it's visible bot, just look at yourself - my hams materialised with heel-hook>>76643162i expect fucking RESULTS when i do sth :D
>>76643126its true, you should train using the full range of motion
>>76643221Why do modern humans have to make every single thing they do completely retarded. We know what to do and what works but still almost everyone has to reinvent the wheel and do some dumb shit.
>>76643243it just works, 550 btw
>>76643126fucked up my back one time doing this and it was never the same I wish i never did SSI had to get spine surgery a few years laterI wish i never did Starting Strength
>>76643312>Sedentary 26yo without athletic background jumps to SS progressions and injures himselfShockingly unexpected
glassback thread
>>76643257those forearms are embarrassing
>>76643221How is he not popping each and every disc in his back doing that?
>>76643544He has slowly got accustomed to the load over several years - decades even .
>>76643126try to develop some actual strength and resilience in your body glassbackhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouq8mdwwVFQ
>>76643632His last video was 4y ago...
>>76643129Sure if you completely ignore everything about how to do it.
I hurt my back lifting 405 in 2020 and now I lift 765. Quit being a pussy.>gets hurt once >quitsngmi
>>76643706The fact that it was such a severe snap that you remember the year and the weight is more reason to not deadlift.
Deadlift will kill you, it has "dead" in it's name for a reason.
(deep)
>>76643126>autist tries high loads with thisI have a simple rule with leg lifts - never lift over your own weight, and in high leverage lifts like RDL, never lift over half of your own weight.>inb4 DYELI don't care. Just do more reps if it is too easy. You literally don't need that much strength in your legs. Legs are for walking and fucking, and both are cardio.
>>76643584Can’t believe I’m reading a normal response on this god awful board.
>>76643221I don't see a difference between these lifts...
>>76643706How long did it take to heal?
>>76643797coward!>>76644233month or two back to 100%. Trick is to NOT "rest". If you stop moving it's over
>>76643129Just use light weight to failure dummy, it has the same effect and it's better on your joints
>>76643126Learn the proper form, start light, and don't ego lift?
>>76643544>not brownthats it lol
>>76643164>>76643189squats are much harder to do with consistently good form without lots of coaching, and it's bad form that fucks up your back. you also squat much heavier, so there's more weight to fuck up your back. squat popularity is from the bigger numbers even though it's a worse exercise.t. Pavel's Power to the People
>>76643161This is so fucking stupid... Lold
>>76644537redpill me on this. deadies are better than squaties?
>>76643164I feel like deadlifts enable maximum strength expression in other lifts. I had no data or sources to back it up... But I feel the deadlift when done heavy teaches your CNS to be able to let your muscles provide the most amount of force possible.
>>76643861GYATT
>>76644537You talking this book yah?
>>76644093>Legs are for walking and fucking, and both are cardio.Actually, legs are also for jumping, backflips, lifting another human from ground.But I agree with you that there are no reasons to squat/deadlift more than body weight on barbell.
>>76644577yeah, his barbell book with Dragon Door. It's pretty consistent with ideas in his later books. Big exception: one part where he dismisses the benefit of more mitochondria and vascularization in muscles.
>>76644628>comradesHow did people ever fall for this grifter faggot?
>>76644649it's just fun. His grifter arc was making a book just to sell some expensive gear for solo janda sit ups, only to later take the position that you don't need to focus on abs at all, but just tense your core while doing normal lifts.post-Dragon Door the comrade language goes away.
>>76644628So his program is just deadlifts 2x5press 2x5I am interested, despite all the comrade stuff, although it is kinda cool. I guess is just a real basic program to get strong? Seems like its missing some key movements and stuff
>>76643126another thread where OP is to retarded to pick something up off the ground without crippling himself
Deadlift die hards are the fitness analogue to pitbull owners. They're not dangerous! until they are. There are many other worthwhile exercises that can accomplish the same goal with less risk. There are many other dog breeds that you can own that won't maul a child randomly.
>>76644748just noticed my minor spelling mistake, I will be taking my own life now
>>76643243Zerchers are likely older than your grandpa>>76643544He's been training those consistently since ~2020
Did 4pl8 deadlift after 2-3 months of doing no deadlifts and I almost shattered my back. It's true. I was so scared kek. Deadlifts are a meme genuinely
>>76644874>deadlifts are bad because... I trained like a retard and received the consequences of my actions
>>76644874>lifts heavy after months of not doing that>almost gets injured out of stupidity>this is somehow the exercises fault
>>76644880>>76644886Oh no don't get me wrong, I'm a retard. I'm just saying it's an irrelevant lift in the bigger scheme of things.
>>76644891oh ok that's a lot more reasonable. godspeed retard ('-')7
>>76643126*fixes your back
if you do deadlifts and back extensions (like in starting strength if you read the book he says alternate between deadlifts and powercleans on day A and do back extensions+pullups on day B) you're good to goback extensions are your safety policy, they protect you and allow you to go heavy AF on deadliftthere's a reason all olympic weightlifters do heavy af back extensionsso the routine is like A - DeadliftB - Back ExtensionsA - Power CleanB - Back ExtensionsA - Deadliftgood frequency
>>76644710nta yah, basically. That workout 5 days a week. Should only take about 15 minutes, and you move on with your life. And short workout like that just seem to give you energy. You get strong, feel strong, and have tons of energy for everything else. Not to sound like a square, but it is a really good strength program for your everyday person.
>>76643221this homo looks 5'5
>>76643140If you do them mimicking the first pull in the clean (like they were originally for) then they work you lower back way more. The people who fuck their back doing so base their training numbers off of the conventional deadlift so they do it with way more weight than they should for the lower-back-focused RDL.
>>76643126I think I stressed something internal in my gut area doing these. I think everything will be alright, but that shit hurt for a while hours later. Felt like a stomach ache. I had decent form, made sure to drop the bar, lift with my ass. Maybe just because I haven't deadlifted in ages.
>>76645655>I think I stressed something internal in my gut area doing these. I think everything will be alright, but that shit hurt for a while hours later. Felt like a stomach ache. I had decent form, made sure to drop the bar, lift with my ass.is ur psoas ok now? https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8079897/
>>76643161
I remember my lower being so sore when I did deadlifts for the first time
>>76646164Yeah, that's not the muscle that's aching. It's my lowest abdominal muscle on the right.
>>76646223get checked for a hernia
>>76646223>>76646233get checked for head - it's psoas and i'm gonna get to the bottom of it :D whether u like it or not bot, no i don't yet know all about it hence: >>76643162>realistically if u feel sth failing in the back of your knee u will round back>in actuality u don't want arse part of hamstrings grown faster (if at all) than knee part of hamstring, hence:>>>76643074 >>>>>76639648 >>>>i lay on my back in fornt of table and do these:>>>>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NfwtDIscQm8>>>>awesome :D as isometric hold of course - remeber to point toes>>honestly bot, heel-hook cured my leg aesthetics and health and strenght and functionality, i am 100% convinced there are few more overlooked movements with so many benefitswould be nice to hear from sb incorporating heel-hooking in their retarded poerwsharting and how deads or squats changed ... but it's only u bot for me here with ur fake robotized traffic :c
>Oopsie at 80mph via some roastoid on her phoneOnly needs to happen once and it could genuinely change your life
>>76646233Ah fuck. I don't need this right now :(
>>76643126Okay but realistically what can I replace all these retarded hip hinge movements with?All I have are dumbells, barbells, weights+rack and a bench. I can't do leg curls (no machine) and can't do hyperextensions (bench doesn't allow it)
>>76646809Single leg deadlift with dumbbells.
>>76646843You're still loading the same area in same way there
>>76646855Wrong. You do single leg deadlift with fraction of weight compared to double leg. The load on spine is small, on leg big.
>>76644753Like what lifts?
Can I deadlift with low weight?
>>76643126Look OP someone drew a picture of you >>76643161
>>>76647705>lol bot :D>>76646301>>76643162>>76643189
>>76647763
>>76643126I think i failed a deadlift once in my life and i was on several days of shit sleep and if its leg day its typically later in the lifting week anyways. You can get the cns training of 1rms pre fatigued with way less risk, and use an oly stand for light deep work as imbalances are what build up to a worse injury especially once the weight is higher.
>>76644577Anyone do this? or read this? is it grifter kino?
>>76643126if you fuck your back up any type of RDL/goodmorning/hyperextension you have an actual glass back and should probably do some deadlifts instead
>>76644549my reasoning is what I said there, from Pavel's book.but after digging a little more, it seems like squats are more injurious but the injuries are relatively mild, whereas you get instant acute injuries from deadlifts, due to how the lifts start: with a deadlift there's sudden maximum force and if you got something wrong you don't have any time to cope with it before it hurts you.>the tolerance window is narrow. A back squat can be ugly and still safe. A deadlift pulled 2-3 inches forward, or with a small lumbar rounding, multiplies spinal load by hundreds of pounds instantly.so, yeah, I'm going to stop defending this lift. Not a fan of getting sniped in the spine without any warning.
>>76648843nta but that makes sense. Am I wrong that everyone used to love squats, but now they love deadlifts or am I retarded?
My gait and posture feel great after doing deadlifts (and squats). I feel like I'm just standing and moving better all the time and that has got to be good for my long term health of my body. I haven't found an exercise that feels better frankly. I'm pretty new and I am not pushing really high weight so I'm less worried about serious injury.
>>76649327I agree. I find deadlifts to be the most beneficial exercise in terms of body movements. Its like, when a person has a 2xbw deadlift, everything becomes easier. The key, in training, is to use moderate effort. Live in the 70-80% range. No maxing out, and no training to failure.
>>76643126fixed your picno risk of snap city
RDLs are so based can’t wait to do them tomorrow
>>76643161This fucking board
>>76643164There are numerous other lifts you can do that increases your DL without actually doing DLs. DLs are more for testing your overall power rather than a good strenght building workout. It’s overly fatiguing and makes you lose other gainsJust do squats + RDLs + dead hangs + weighted back extensions + vertical pulls and you’re progressing your DL without doing them.
>>76643126Same with driving cars but im going to continue driving cars
>>76643126> be in my 30s> DL for 10 years and never have an issue> peers around my age are (and these are real legitimate examples):> Throwing their back out sneezing in bed> Slipping a disk playing basketball for 5 minutes> Torn ligament in the back from mowing the lawn up a hillI'm doing >550 lb singles 2x per week, my back feels great. I go camping 2x monthly and just basically sleep on the ground and never have an issue. I'm tall as well (6'4") so back and knee health is extra important
>>76650571Same.
>>76650571You are lucky. But other people doing deadlifts, they destroyed their back and spine.
>>76650571The main cause of back injuries is holding a weight too far from center of mass or at odd angles. This is exacerbated by having a weak back, core, and legs.lifting a 20lb case of water bottles out of a pickup truck without lowering the tailgate? Putting a baby in a crib? Moving bulky 50lb outdoor furniture? High shearing force. It’s the delaminating effects of lifting relatively tiny weights improperly that add up over time. For lifters, often the thing that really snaps them up is not only unloading a deadlift but then also having to put 45 lb plates onto the lowest rung of a weight rack. All when their back is maximally exhausted. They do this for weeks and then mistake the pain they get from a barbell lift as the cause of their back pain when it’s often the repeated shearing forces from improper lifting of tiny loads.
>>76650724There is truth in this. A lesson I learned from the guy who ran our high school gym is this: after your last set, rest as long as you would between sets before unloading the bar.
DEADlift = you dead. and your back too
>>76643161big stiffy would never
>>76643544Your back has more muscles than the erectors supporting it. There's tons of little muscles surrounding and running in between each vertebra and running from the spine to the hips, etc. In most people, even physically active people, these are atrophied from disuse. You can condition and strengthen them.
>>76648843it's true, stick to real lifts that actually build your back
>>76650974Actually, it was originally named the dead-weight lift, but was shorted to deadlift to save on ink.
>>76651739That boy ain't right in the head
>>76643140the either move the weight forward or release their locked posterior pelvic tilt so the lower back takes over instead of the glutes.
>>76643243Because they're trying to sell something and having a USP in a solved exercise like working out is very difficult unless you just lie
>>76651739Not many on this board that do Jefferson curls.
Why are you niggas so weak and old? Been lifting for years and have never been injured from deadlifts
>>76643706You will never be a woman you weak pussy
>>76643126I deadlifted 250lbs for 5x5 @ ~160lbs today
>>76652627hell yeah dude. thats some pretty good strength/weight ratio
>>76652636thanks big dawg
>>76644322This.
Doesn't this train your glutes?
>>76645330how often do you add weight on a program like that?
>>76648934Every chick at my gym does RDL now, I don't know when it started
>>76643140I have never injured my back pulling heavy from the floor.I popped a hamstring once doing 4x10 RDLs, last rep last set ofc. Took about a month to heal up with immediate rehab (which was more RDLs).Squats, DL and to an extent bench are retard filters at below 3/4/5 pl8s, after that things can go wrong but by that point you made your own choice to push strength for the sake of it
just use machines bro
>>76643126Bentover row is more dangerous, this exercise you're much less likely to get jerky from fatigue and strain something
>>76643126i use light dumbells to do these, sometimes right after a run, gets a good stretch, too.Doing these heavy just feels like absolute dogshit.
I technically have to deadlift my body weight just so i can do barbell shrugs
>>76644628>comradebasedhowever they absolutely do work different muscle groups so idk what this guy is talking about>>76651739oh god>>76648843really you just need to hold form and stop if you feel like you're getting tired holding that form. It's not hard to keep your back straight unless you're getting tired. If your core gets tired before your legs/hips do, then you need to focus on your core more
>>76655038no, pictured doesit does however grow hamstrings near ur arse making it look fat and unappealing u want knee part of hamstring and for that u need to lift yourself by bending knee with toes pointed if u want gastrocnemius also: >>76643162>>>76643074 >>>>>76639648 >>>>i lay on my back in fornt of table and do these:>>>>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NfwtDIscQm8>>>>awesome :D as isometric hold of course - remeber to point toes>>honestly bot, heel-hook cured my leg aesthetics and health and strenght and functionality, i am 100% convinced there are few more overlooked movements with so many benefits
>>76643126Deadlifts have only ever made my back feel great. But squats are snap city
>>76643126If you're doing RDLs you shouldn't be doing that much weight really, just trying to get a good stretch going. If you're trolling deadlifts in general then wrong picture.
>>76644753It's really not the lift itself. It's because it's the lift you can typically load the most. That equals a higher propensity to ego lift as well. I think also because there is low relative fear of failure because hey you can just drop it. Fear of failing something like a bench or a squat are higher because just dropping something is easier to get over than having a weight coming back in your direction. Also you're statistically more likely to get injured on bench. There are other arguments to not do them that are more compelling
>>76644753based aski poster
>>76658123YOU. ARE. A. DYEL!!!!
>>76643221They're called Jefferson curls, they're actually pretty good for strengthening the spinal erectors and can be a preventative for back injuries. This guy is doing crazy weight though, he's obviously very strong. If anyone were to start doing this lift the intensity should be no more than RPE 7 and an emphasis on control throughout the entire movement, because as (you) can see the risk for injury here is higher.
