ill be honest I want to understand what this nigga is trying to say. are most ab workouts just working the psoas? I've never had visible abs despite being lean starting to wonder if i'm just training psoas this whole time.
>>76712407for all his odd lingo it's plain English. He's telling you that ab exercises are not ab exercises, but hip exercises, and he describes a way to disengage the hip muscles so that your abs can even contribute anything. The usual exercise for this is janda situps, which require another person or some careful setup.pic is from Pavel's "Bulletproof Abs", which sells a defunct device with a ridiculous name, the AB PAVELIZER, but he also goes into this stuff and offers more than that. It's his griftiest book but still good.Pavel nowadays thinks that you shouldn't isolate the abs, but just engage your core while lifting heavy weights.
>>76712407Psoas aka botschizo is obsessed with perfectly isolating individual muscles to the detriment of any practicality or loading capabilityWe don't know why Personally I think isolating your abs from the other hundred muscles involved in moving your torso around is pretty silly and I have nice abs just from doing real lifts instead of schizo shit so ya!
>>76712407idk but whenever I do ab exercises, including the ones that are supposedly "S-tier" such as cable crunches and machine crunches, I only get a mild sensation in my abs and I feel it much more strongly in my lower back, probably for this same reason.
>>76712601thats what I'm saying its probably easy for the hip muscles like the psoas (i guess) to take over making it into a reverse hip hinge movement instead of spinal flexion and bracing which the abdominals are responsible for
to really isolate abs you need to do leg/knee raises on stall bars, a captain's chair, or a power tower. when hanging from a pullup bar your lower back curls and you recruit your lats.also mind/muscle connection plays a huge part here, at the bottom of each rep of something like situps you can choose to cheat and use your whole body or deliberately use your core
Just do ab crunches. The "trick" is to hunch your back rather than bend forward. With a cable machine you can really focus on the abs. I'm currently doing around 45kg with the machine, absolutely destroys my core. I don't shit the next day, the day after there's a diamond turd.
>>76712407Just mmc upper abs and try not to use your hips when you do hands/weight behind the head situps. I have an easy time building thicker abs because im a form schizo, i prefer serratus development since shit looks sick.
>>76712421>He's telling you that ab exercises are not ab exercises, but hip exerciseship flexors (iliopsoas & rectus femoris) fucking up exercises bot, psoas doesn't like to work while it's origin is being ripped apart with lumbar flexion, rectus femoris will cramp at the hip cause no muscle likes to work when it's already fully flexed (think joes esthetics biceps pose without flexing triceps - that's how he tore biceps, by flexing onto nothing and cramping it) >The usual exercise for this is janda situps, which require another person or some careful setup.ya bot, u need to carefully (real carefully otherwise it will EXPLODE) place rubber band on calf anchored somewhere in front of youdid Janda succeed in switching off iliopsoas? NO, it's a fucking situp so it's a hip flexion, just tried it bot and can feel it in upper thigh - rectus femoris is not switched off >Pavel nowadays thinks that you shouldn't isolate the abs, but just engage your core while lifting heavy weights.another appeal to authority bot - this time around it's no authority at all, it's just early (ancient?) grifter very akin to modern influences, nobody should care one bit what this schmuck is saying >>76712598 > Psoas aka botschizo is obsessed with perfectly isolating individual muscles i just want exercise to work the muscle in question, if it doesn't i make a new one, exercise also needs to not fuck up anything else in the process > is pretty silly it isn't at all bot :D > to take over making it into a reverse hip hinge movement instead of spinal flexion and bracing which the abdominals are responsible foryeah flex abs on reverse hyper - that will work, lol xD>>76712622>leg/knee raises on stall bars, a captain's chair, or a power tower.abs have NOTHING to do with legs bot, NOTHING so legs must be relaxed for ab work >>76712740>The "trick" is to hunch your back rather than bend forward.that will load hip flexors isometrically and u want that on your abs bot, like so:
what about this, bot?
>>76712820>that will load hip flexors isometrically and u want that on your abs bot, like so:>>76702739>u need to do dragon flag but with legs completely folded in hips and knees to make iliopsoas ineffective, beyond it's capacity to do more hip flexion>lift your knee up as high as it goes standing>then bring your knee further in with your arms - that's the position u want legs in when u're holding pelvis off the floor (in dragon flag setup) with abs, cause iliopsoas can't do shit there>and watch legs trying to flex as u do it - resist that urge - that's iliopsoas wanting to take over the resistance from absdragon flag, but with legs folded in knees and hisps fully atop pelvis - it was that simple :Di use 2 light dumbbels in outstretched arms as counterbalance moved past head, upper back and head on the floor >>76712751>try not to use your hipsi tried and i have succeeded bot :D i figured it out and i made your stupid fucking dragon flag work :D and i made variant of dip that works pecs>>76706275and i found out how to do long head of biceps >>76710048and quite a bit more i have figured out thx to u bot :D cause u are the perfectest negative indicator - one can safely assume whatever blabbering your fake robotized traffic appears to be has one aim only: TO FUCK UP UNSUSPECTING READER BY SHILLING INJURIOUS INEFFECTIVE NONSENSE well i am not unsuspecting reader of ur blabbering bot :D i know exactly what u do :D >the post above this onenot enough hip flexion bot to >make iliopsoas ineffective, beyond it's capacity to do more hip flexionxD
>>76712407>>76712421The abdominals pull the pelvis toward the rib cage, and the rib cage toward the pelvis. If you are moving your rib cage toward your pelvis, or your pelvis toward your rib cage, then you are engaging the abdominals.
>>76712940>just do sth sth doesn't work bot, u need very particular thing >>76712845>>u need to do dragon flag but with legs completely folded in hips and knees to make iliopsoas ineffective, beyond it's capacity to do more hip flexionit's not very nice to omit me in particular in ur thread devoted to me xD u r and fucking asshole bot :D
>>76712820>>76712845>>76712957>still hasn't posted body
>>76713097> i have run out of ides hooman but a.i. is gunna take overz tha wurldz xD >>76712957>>>76712845 (You)>>>u need to do dragon flag but with legs completely folded in hips and knees to make iliopsoas ineffective, beyond it's capacity to do more hip flexion
So what's the problem with engaging the hip flexors along with the abs? Sure, you don't isolate the abs, but it seems like extra volume for a muscle group that barely gets any work from the usual leg exercises
>>76713528there is none. leg raises are a well known tried and tested effective exercise for your abs. dont pay any attention to schizo bot.
>>76713528That retard doesn't understand that the abs can simply never move on their own unlike the biceps or brachialis for example. He's basically telling you to do lat pulldowns or pullovers while only moving your lats which is mechanically impossible you absolutely need shoulder rotation or/and forearm/biceps contraction to perform the movement
>>76713534>>76713535I see, it's strange that he picked this hill to die on, he is in every thread talking about this.
>>76713536yeah i do feel a bit bad about calling him retard and schizo and stuff sometimes because i do think hes probably not quite all there, and he can be frustrating to talk to with the way he types but his intentions are mostly good, he is just coming to this board trying to give people fitness advice after all, but I think he's a bit misguided. alternatively he might just be a dick lol.
i can't tell is he saying we should or shouldn't be doing dragon flags? is that his holy grail anti-psoas movement?
>>76713619Yeah, calling everyone "bot" and acting pretentious makes him frustrating to speak with, but at least he is talking about exercise techniques, puts him above 80% of the board.
>>76713536It's not a hill to die on, for him. He perceives it as a constant thrill of victory. Every time he comes onto 4chan, his experience is one of DESTROYING evil bots with FACTS and LOGIC. Constantly triumphant over enemies who are as pathetic as they are contemptible - what a rush! It gives him the unearned sense of invincible superiority that makes him so much more annoying than other retards. But when you remember that his version of "physical fitness" involves walking for *no more* than 30 minutes at a time, because any more is exhausting, you start to feel pity for him instead.
>>76713624yeah i think thats all hes saying lol. its not necessarily bad advice, dragon flags are probably a good movement (i dont do them myself but might start if he insists theyre so good). but its not like you cant build a strong core without them.
psoas schizo if i may ask can you more clearly explain exactly how you do dragon flags to minimize hip flexor involvement to isolate or almost isolate the abdominals? i want to start doing this.
>>76713672i think you're gonna have to post some advice about ab exercises that he disagrees with to trick him into replying to you. he seems to never engage with any meta discussion about himself.
>>76713672I would take him seriously if he posted physique and turned out to be some gigachad enhanced Laid looking Herculean demi-godIn reality he's probably some midwit who studied "exercise science" and has too much free time to spare
>>76713690i honestly doubt he even studied exercise science my impression of him is that he became autistically attached to specific movements that he performs just because its the movement that he performs. and then he works backwards create an explanation of why its a good movement. i mean his thing with dips is that during a dip your pecs catch on your rib cage... who has ever had this issue?
>>76712407I have deciphered his babblings.He's trying to say that if you want to train muscle no.1 but there's some (any) involvement of muscle no.2 in the movement, that renders the exercise useless because muscle no.2 takes over and no.1 does nothing ("shuts off"). He repeats this stupid idea ad nauseam I'm every schzipost.
>>76713764*in every schzipost goddamn it. I hate this faggot. I hope he drowns
>I'm every schzipost
>>76713619>his intentions are mostly good,See >>76713632. He gets off on this. He enjoys telling off others, in his mind. It's like playing a game with others and some cunt comes screeching, tells you you don't know how to play, refuses to prove he knows, shits on the board and struts off triumphantly. >>76713690You can take a hint from the guy he idolizes, a twink physiotherapist on YouTube (pic related).
>>76712598>We don't know why You don't follow the lore. He had been mistreated/undertreated by health professionals but then saw the light and, like every other paranoid idiot, found some minor detail that serves as a foundation of a renewed world-building ("THEY don't know, it was THIS all along, I solved everything, haha, idiots" etc)
>>76713690I doubt he can even do a dragonflag
>>76712407Fuck you, OP>>76712820I hate this nigger so much it is unreal.Poat body faggot. I still regret not saving it the one time you actually did, you skinny fat 19 yo glasses wearing cunt.
>>76713097>>76713690He made the mistake of doing it once. He unironically looks like an incel. Only things he has going for him is not being a manlet and being White.
>>76714664>I still regret not saving it the one time you actually did, you skinny fat 19 yo glasses wearing cunt.If you remember some relevant keywords, you should be able to find it.https://desuarchive.org/fit/
>>76713800that twink physiotherapist is great though.This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SoCJ1sUUYc immediately helped my back, and I haven't had this kind of pain in a year now.
>>76713843kek hahahahahah he never seen his abs adonis belt in his life lmao
>>76714680Any idea when that was? His schizoposting seems to date back to late 2024, with his signature five dozen posts of the same thing a day
>>76715066More info:> Anonymous Fri 23 May 2025 15:07:44 No.76170536>He posted body once in a Derek thread and got absolutely roasted, now he backpedals and claims it “wasn’t him”>He’s a skinny weak Hapa manlet obsessed with being lean
>>76712407>are most ab workouts just working the psoas? I've never had visible abs despite being lean starting to wonder if i'm just training psoas this whole time.no. crunches don't work the psoas. situps do. it's okay to work your psoas, but back pain will be caused if the core muscles are too weak and the psoas gets overly tight. so you should stretch and build muscle all around the coreif you want abs then you just have to work them once or twice a week with challenging routines
>>76713819That's definitely the lore for a lot of schizos here, the Brian Johnson deranged china photochemo whatever guy and the tooth infection guy are super notable examples but what was the inciting incident for botschizo?
>>76715614>no. crunches don't work the psoas. situps do. it's okay to work your psoas, but back pain will be caused if the core muscles are too weak and the psoas gets overly tight.> it's okay to work your psoas, but back pain will be caused if the core muscles are too weak and the psoas gets overly tight.oh really? seriously? so this bit: >>76712820>>He's telling you that ab exercises are not ab exercises, but hip exercises>hip flexors (iliopsoas & rectus femoris) fucking up exercises bot, psoas doesn't like to work while it's origin is being ripped apart with lumbar flexion, rectus femoris will cramp at the hip cause no muscle likes to work when it's already fully flexed (think joes esthetics biceps pose without flexing triceps - that's how he tore biceps, by flexing onto nothing and cramping it)is correct? waw :D it didn't take long bot no u're pulling with iliopsoas on femur that's kept in place by hams and quads tensing hence i'm aiming for relaxed legs: >>76712845>>u need to do dragon flag but with legs completely folded in hips and knees to make iliopsoas ineffective, beyond it's capacity to do more hip flexion>>lift your knee up as high as it goes standing>>then bring your knee further in with your arms - that's the position u want legs in when u're holding pelvis off the floor (in dragon flag setup) with abs, cause iliopsoas can't do shit there>>and watch legs trying to flex as u do it - resist that urge - that's iliopsoas wanting to take over the resistance from abs>dragon flag, but with legs folded in knees and hisps fully atop pelvis - it was that simple :D>i use 2 light dumbbels in outstretched arms as counterbalance moved past head, upper back and head on the floorit's a crunch but the other way around, and posoas can't work there cause there's too much slack in it because of angles in relevant joints bot :D
>>76713528>So what's the problem with engaging the hip flexors along with the abs?it doesn't grow abs bot :D >but why? why is for ex crunch not effective? it's just a theory but i believe that psoas pulling with compromised lumbar origin is sputtering and this instability is propagated over all the muscles involved and ruin the quality of contraction u get, u can get sore but it's not because muscle belly was properly worked no, i believe it's just injury, "micro-tears" as u like calling it bot and u need continuous tension on muscle belly without such interruptions for muscle building stimulus, dozens of seconds, 2 or 3 dozens - that's another can of worms :D >Sure, you don't isolate the abs, but it seems like extra volume for a muscle group that barely gets any work from the usual leg exerciseshellou: https://strongmadesimple.com/blog/2012/07/squatting-with-your-hips-flexorspsoas acts against hip extensors like hamstrongs act against quad in squat, deadlift, row etc. and u are walking presumably, rooninng maybe, doing "ab" work > but it seems like just a little tiniest miniscule amount of extra volumebwahahha :D >>76716163>>76712845>>76712820
For the love of all that is good, please seriously consider suicide.
>>76716209>For the love of all that is good, please seriously consider suicide.and who are u responding to bot? just >die hoooman up in the air? well i can chime in - i would like some people dead :D like your owner bot for example - wouldn't mind at all if sth horrible happened to him >>76716203>>76716163>>76712845>>76712820
>>76716225What in the actual fuck is wrong with you? Are you legitimately mentally handicapped?
>>76716263>What in the actual fuck is wrong with you? Are you legitimately mentally handicapped?yeah u tell him, he ugh bad: >>76716225>>76716247real fucking bad: >>76716133>>76712921
>>76715883I have conversed with the bot schizo idiot a few times, he inadvertently reveals some details if he doesn't fortify before the "bot :D" shtick. As I said, he claims he was an ordinary guy that had some ailment doctors and physios could not solve, but then he found the solution (to everything) and wanted to take revenge on those that wronged him. He sees anons as proponents of that common knowledge that harmed him so he spends every day (euro hours) soiling the board with his schizo revenge/megalomaniac fantasy.
When I'm detrained and do some basic ab exercises like hanging leg raises or weighted situps, I get absolutely brutal DOMS almost all the way from the very upper end of ab going almost to my crotch, so I don't really care what you clowns have to say.
>>76716624finally someone comes in with the trvth nvke
>>76714680>>76714691>>76715066>>76715579We need some anon with a lot of time in his hands to check every Derek thread in that timespan.
>>76716599i do not recall bot - pack of lies :D pictured u bot admit external rotation of hip from powersharting movement and adductors bloat from powersharting movement bot, and bad posture from powersharting movement - are u even allowed to say such things? abs: >>76716163>>>u need to do dragon flag but with legs completely folded in hips and knees to make iliopsoas ineffective, beyond it's capacity to do more hip flexion>>>lift your knee up as high as it goes standing>>>then bring your knee further in with your arms - that's the position u want legs in when u're holding pelvis off the floor (in dragon flag setup) with abs, cause iliopsoas can't do shit there>>>and watch legs trying to flex as u do it - resist that urge - that's iliopsoas wanting to take over the resistance from abs>>dragon flag, but with legs folded in knees and hips fully atop pelvis - it was that simple :D>>i use 2 light dumbbells in outstretched arms as counterbalance moved past head, upper back and head on the floor>it's a crunch but the other way around, and posoas can't work there cause there's too much slack in it because of angles in relevant joints bot :D
>>76716978Don't worry, I remember it well enough. You are not as anonymous as you think nor can you control your image.
>>76717019oh my, you went for empty theats bot again, literally shakin :D that's the post:>>76715915>>76716978>pictured u bot admit external rotation of hip from powersharting movement and adductors bloat from powersharting movement bot, and bad posture from powersharting movement - are u even allowed to say such things?and that's how u ridicule squat victims bot - pictured
>>76717035>He thinks other people remembering his shitposting persona is a threatYou even posted body once you delusional fuckwit and anon still remembers
>>76717048>>76717035>empty theats bot again, literally shakin :D>>76716978>abs:>>>76716163>>>>u need to do dragon flag but with legs completely folded in hips and knees to make iliopsoas ineffective, beyond it's capacity to do more hip flexion>>>>lift your knee up as high as it goes standing>>>>then bring your knee further in with your arms - that's the position u want legs in when u're holding pelvis off the floor (in dragon flag setup) with abs, cause iliopsoas can't do shit there>>>>and watch legs trying to flex as u do it - resist that urge - that's iliopsoas wanting to take over the resistance from abs>>>dragon flag, but with legs folded in knees and hips fully atop pelvis - it was that simple :D>>>i use 2 light dumbbells in outstretched arms as counterbalance moved past head, upper back and head on the floor>>it's a crunch but the other way around, and posoas can't work there cause there's too much slack in it because of angles in relevant joints bot :D
>>76717077You seem to know what you're talking about but I'm still having trouble visualizing it. Could you post a video of yourself performing this modified dragon flag?
>>76717082>You seem to know what you're talking about but I'm still having trouble visualizing it. Could you post a video of yourself performing this modified dragon flag?that's very interesting since u claim to know all about the topic at hand bot :D >>76717077>>abs:>>>>76716163>>>>>u need to do dragon flag but with legs completely folded in hips and knees to make iliopsoas ineffective, beyond it's capacity to do more hip flexion>>>>>lift your knee up as high as it goes standing>>>>>then bring your knee further in with your arms - that's the position u want legs in when u're holding pelvis off the floor (in dragon flag setup) with abs, cause iliopsoas can't do shit there>>>>>and watch legs trying to flex as u do it - resist that urge - that's iliopsoas wanting to take over the resistance from abs>>>>dragon flag, but with legs folded in knees and hips fully atop pelvis - it was that simple :D>>>>i use 2 light dumbbells in outstretched arms as counterbalance moved past head, upper back and head on the floor>>>it's a crunch but the other way around, and psoas can't work there cause there's too much slack in it because of angles in relevant joints bot :Dif u keep it alive i am gonna bump it till the end bot :D
>>76717437>if u keep it alive i am gonna bump it till the end bot :DYou bumped it 2h after the last post you megalomaniac cunt. Everyone hopes you choke but you think this is some win. You enjoy this charade. DIE DIE DIE
>>76712407there's a degree of truth in that for example lying and hanging leg raises if done incorrectly (straight lower back) will largely work hip flexors.I also used to do leg tucks (sitting on the edge with legs handing straight) and they EXCLUSIVELY worked my psoas but I knew nothing at that pointalso he's now an adductor schizo too
>>76712407if u notice after heavy deadlifts its really hard to do situps and other ab excercises for a reason.
>>76714664>>76714680>>76714691>>76714691Could be this guy?
>>76712601>including the ones that are supposedly "S-tier" such as cable crunches and machine crunches, I only get a mild sensation in my abs and I feel it much more strongly in my lower backBecause you're doing too much weight and not focusing on the movement. You need to treat it like facepulls or lateral raises.Personally I do hanging leg raises, deep inhale and flex my abs throughout the movement, reset the breath/flex on each rep, and I do them controlled not just trying to throw my legs up. I get painful ab pumps from it by the 3rd set.
>>76712407>do compound exercises workout compound muscle groups?activation matters, if you're doing a crunch and you're feeling your legs activate before the abs, the hip flexors will be leading the exercise.activate the abs, contact, and use the hip flexors as a supplement to finish the exercise.subtle difference, but it's still a difference dude.once you realize this you'll realize all compound exercises work this way and that's why this one sized fits all programming language /fit/ shills is bullshit.different things for different people.
>>76718063What thread did you find that in? Or did you just have it saved?
>>76712407Abs are just folds in your belly fatYou just need crunching motions Leg lifts often barely activate the abs
>>76718063hahahahah wat a retard lmao
>>76718100Did a search on desuarchive for posts containing "bot" and an image. Stopped at the first incel-looking white guy with glasses. Had a bit of time to kill while dinner was in the oven.
>>76718113abs dont exist dawg take ur meds
>>76718063Unlikely, the body post in question is apparently from before 23 May 2025. He posted that video in September.
>>76718115don't know how the search works but try "bot" and "psoas" and look for attachments. guaranteed hit
>>76717668>if u notice after heavy deadlifts its really hard to do situps and other ab excercises for a reason.yeah, the same reason it's real tuff to do curls after working up delts - psoas was used very harddelt works to uphold humerus vertically in curl >>76716203>>Sure, you don't isolate the abs, but it seems like extra volume for a muscle group that barely gets any work from the usual leg exercises>hellou:>https://strongmadesimple.com/blog/2012/07/squatting-with-your-hips-flexors>psoas acts against hip extensors like hamstrongs act against quad in squat, deadlift, row etc.>and u are walking presumably, rooninng maybe, doing "ab" work>> but it seems like just a little tiniest miniscule amount of extra volume>bwahahha :D>>76717437>>>abs:>>>>>76716163>>>>>>u need to do dragon flag but with legs completely folded in hips and knees to make iliopsoas ineffective, beyond it's capacity to do more hip flexion>>>>>>lift your knee up as high as it goes standing>>>>>>then bring your knee further in with your arms - that's the position u want legs in when u're holding pelvis off the floor (in dragon flag setup) with abs, cause iliopsoas can't do shit there>>>>>>and watch legs trying to flex as u do it - resist that urge - that's iliopsoas wanting to take over the resistance from abs>>>>>dragon flag, but with legs folded in knees and hips fully atop pelvis - it was that simple :D>>>>>i use 2 light dumbbells in outstretched arms as counterbalance moved past head, upper back and head on the floor>>>>it's a crunch but the other way around, and psoas can't work there cause there's too much slack in it because of angles in relevant joints bot :D>if u keep it alive i am gonna bump it till the end bot :D
>>76719267>>if u notice after heavy deadlifts its really hard to do situps and other ab excercises for a reason.>yeah, the same reason it's real tuff to do curls after working up delts - psoas was used very hard>delt works to uphold humerus vertically in curl>>76706275 because long head biceps tendon facilitates stability of shoulder jointi noticed biceps hurting when i was hand drilling shit back when i was benching retard and always had achy "shoulders"it WOULD be perfectly sensible advice if biceps curls didn't aggravate the same condition - injured biceps>how so?shoulder long head biceps tendon gets trapped under front delt in all variations of biceps curls (preacher included) cause delt is upholding humerus vertically in isometric hold during biceps curls - tendon in shoulder can't slide freely and u get no biceps and tendinitis if u try your best>what do? can't curl can't pushup either it's all fucked up if i try hard .....sit on bench sideways and lean on elbow - this fixates humerus in place and relaxes delt, i like to not even hold the dumbbell just balance it near wrist with other hand, this doesn't fuck up biceps and grows forever elusive long head - that biceps peak u alwayas wanted
>>76718063That's definitely him, the dumb shit he's doing and the euro-hovel he's doing it in are proof
>>76719308till the end bot :D >>76719267>>>>>>>u need to do dragon flag but with legs completely folded in hips and knees to make iliopsoas ineffective, beyond it's capacity to do more hip flexion>>>>>>>lift your knee up as high as it goes standing>>>>>>>then bring your knee further in with your arms - that's the position u want legs in when u're holding pelvis off the floor (in dragon flag setup) with abs, cause iliopsoas can't do shit there>>>>>>>and watch legs trying to flex as u do it - resist that urge - that's iliopsoas wanting to take over the resistance from abs>>>>>>dragon flag, but with legs folded in knees and hips fully atop pelvis - it was that simple :D>>>>>>i use 2 light dumbbells in outstretched arms as counterbalance moved past head, upper back and head on the floor>>>>>it's a crunch but the other way around, and psoas can't work there cause there's too much slack in it because of angles in relevant joints bot :D>>if u keep it alive i am gonna bump it till the end bot :D>>76719274>>76719294
>>76712601I had this same issue, especially doing leg raises. You should do hyperextensions first to tire your lower back out before you do ab exercises so that your body is more likely to recruit your ab muscles instead of your fatigued lower back and/or psoas. A few weeks of doing this twice a week and I no longer felt any discomfort in my lower back and my abs established a good mind muscle connection.
>>76718699Here's the thread:https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/76610057/#76610908
>>76712407i can only hit the abs with crunches on a 30-40 year old oldschool machine in my gym because you cant cheat with hips or lower back in it. Weights stacks up to 40kg. The german maker is so obscure you cant find anything about it. Like 25% of the machines in the gym are from that company. The founder of the gym was competing in natural BB here iirr
>>76712825straighten your legs in this position and then touch your toes you want the best ab exercise of your life and HOLD AT THE TOP
>>76719618>i can only hit the abs with crunches on a 30-40 year old oldschool machine in my gym because you cant cheat with hips or lower back in it.so there is a problem with "hitting abs" bot? :D i got the impression from your fake robotized traffic blabberings that it's easy peazy and noe u're telling me it's not - absolute shocker oi, ok, that's good, cause i was thinking i was losing my mind, not :D >>76719267>>>>>>76716163>>>>>>>u need to do dragon flag but with legs completely folded in hips and knees to make iliopsoas ineffective, beyond it's capacity to do more hip flexion>>>>>>>lift your knee up as high as it goes standing>>>>>>>then bring your knee further in with your arms - that's the position u want legs in when u're holding pelvis off the floor (in dragon flag setup) with abs, cause iliopsoas can't do shit there>>>>>>>and watch legs trying to flex as u do it - resist that urge - that's iliopsoas wanting to take over the resistance from abs>>>>>>dragon flag, but with legs folded in knees and hips fully atop pelvis - it was that simple :D>>>>>>i use 2 light dumbbells in outstretched arms as counterbalance moved past head, upper back and head on the floor>>>>>it's a crunch but the other way around, and psoas can't work there cause there's too much slack in it because of angles in relevant joints bot :Dand yes the name of the file of jpg IS part of the post bot - u NEVER touch it as if u never see how picture is named. that's quite peculiar, can u not read it bot? wtf? on my screen the file hase name >>76719508>You should do hyperextensions first to tire your lower back out before you do ab exercisestire out lower back, do leg raises that use psoas (aka lower back) git negative abs cause abs won't do raising legs lol :D and i think i can see a line between lower back & lower thigh at apex of her hyper-extension bot :D the line runs through psoas, i think that is the reason why u shill this stupid shit bot
>>76720173>straighten your legs in this position and then touch your toes you want the best ab exercise of your life and HOLD AT THE TOPaha, also u're streching hamstrhings (i know - a lot, i need to lean entire body and more - that's how much iliopsoas u are using and rectus femoris) with psoas :D legs completely relaxed, folded in knees and hips like so:>>76721215>>>>>>>u need to do dragon flag but with legs completely folded in hips and knees >>76721215>tire out lower back, do leg raises that use psoas (aka lower back) git negative abs cause abs won't do raising legs lol :D>and i think i can see a line between lower back & lower thigh at apex of her hyper-extension bot :D the line runs through psoas, i think that is the reason why u shill this stupid shit botcourse - my whole point is that errything conventional, orthodox is leg raise when it comes to abs work, yes crunch and rope pulling - u are liftng thigh up or lifting other shit while leg is fixed be it from external factors - rope pulldown, or internal - flex of legs keeping em at certain orintation to pelvis - crunch in short - crunch is the same as leg raise, and both do fuckall for abs :D cause it's psoas, i am not obsessed bot, u are bot: >>76716978>pictured u bot admit external rotation of hip from powersharting movement and adductors bloat from powersharting movement bot, and bad posture from powersharting movement - are u even allowed to say such things?>>76716203>hellou:>https://strongmadesimple.com/blog/2012/07/squatting-with-your-hips-flexors>psoas acts against hip extensors like hamstrongs act against quad in squat, deadlift, row etc.>and u are walking presumably, rooninng maybe, doing "ab" workwith ur retardo squats and deadlifts and bss and lunges amd weightlifting bullshit >>>>>>>>u need to do dragon flag but with legs completely folded in hips and knees to make iliopsoas ineffective, beyond it's capacity to do more hip flexion
All these walls of text and still not a fucking video. can one of you decipher this rambling and film themselves doing it ?
>>76721265see u in da mornin bitch bot gpt :D >>76719267>till the end bot :D>>76721248>>76721215>>76719274
what about ab rollers, schizo bot? Here's my autismo log for October so far.
