>>76732904
https://youtu.be/ssH35JwmwTM?si=Qtps_WkOEEwvxUDl

This fixed my shoulder pain in like a week

>>76732915
you've got to be joking Jeff fuck off.

>>76732904
once shoulder joint pain happens, gotta look at the entire neck/back into scapula/chest to rule out posture issue.
hold your stretches longer.
when doing your chest stretch do not just lean your arm back and stretch.
get the muscle cue by doing the Y movement of I/T/Y.
With means activating from neutral to arms up, hands slightly out, and external rotation activated.
Do it with both arms and now gently press the stretching arm into a doorway or wall. Once you have pressure against it, you can relax the other arm.
You do this to not lose the stretch cue.
Lean into it, gently turn the body away from stretch arm, and once you are comfortably locked. Look away from stretching arm.
To stretch all three points of the chest, return to neutral (chest leaned in, head facing forward).
Now raise arm slightly up for pec minor or lower arm into scapula pocket for lower pec.
Once again begin to lean firmer, turn body slightly away, once locked, turned head slightly away.
Intermediate into pro form of this stretch is being able to learn to keep the chest stretched, scapula firm and lift the arm up and down while in the neutral position. only adding the chest away and neck away once you're in the new position.
This is effectively the same as doing wall angels, but while engaging the chest stretch.
Do this in all 3 positions multiple times and hold them for more than 30 seconds dude. You guys never stretch long enough.
Repeat on other side.

You need to know check your scapula health with retractions and protractions, the scapula should glide and should not grind against your rib cage.
Finally check the arms and the neck.

impingement is almost always caused dysfunction with fluidity of the shoulder relative to the thoracic cavity.
jeff shills those externals like he does his fucking face pulls and it's garbage advice.
you should be equally strong internally and externally. as well as flexible.
no fucking shit.

>>76727626
>reverse bench and other odd movements that might cause pain at first
>iso pushes pulls hangs rows dips with a stiff arm
>twist articulate tense etc
>blood in muscle work its easier than youd think even with an injury to work up from 50% 1rm or whatever working weight
>bulk, collagen synthesis is similar to protein synthesis afaik
>fix imbalances just look in the mirror honestly my lats were too strong for a while
>imbalances even go to tricep and bicep tendons im pretty sure

>>76732973
>bulk, collagen synthesis is similar to protein synthesis afaik

it's different, you can bulk and can excess weight detrimental to the healing process before you'd get enough collagen amino acids to actually heal an injury.
Bone broth, gelatin, collagen supplements, soups, stews FYI.
Also uptake vitamin C, used in a mechanism for recycling and utilization of collagen already in the body.

>>76732904
Permanent damage happens to everyone who does lots of shoulder and chest workouts, just like permanent damage comes to everyone who does heavy squats and deadlifts.

Are you balancing your push and pulls?? I am a powershitter. I program rows / band pulls on every bench day. Far too many gym bros give themselves imbalances by training certain muscles too much.

If you do 3 chest movements do 2 pull movements and band work.

>>76732991
Collagen is a protein no? Ive seen conflicting research on if its synthesized since collagen is incomplete aminos but i like to make french onion soup with tisseries and get plenty of juice and usually just eat as many colored vegetables as possible. I also say bulk so hormones dont crash estro being super lean or lower protein synthesis.

>>76733223
A lot of people also bench super deep rom and just keep the pulls to lats, rear delts are rarely a strong point as its hard to get a good brace to where it isnt traps. Also uni mid/rear delt is vommon while most people dont develop the upper chest/front delt shelf, high weight reps not developing serratus/abs. Ive been doing that for just a few months and got my upper abs blockier to where before i had strong hip flexors and lower abs. If you feel abs on tricep pushdown cheat reps youre probably neglecting strict shoulder work and bench/incline core is just neglected.

>>76732946
nobody is reading all that shit retard
prove it works or fuck right off

>>76732904
You gotta do narrow grip elbows in a lot and for incline/shoulders you gotta put the weight on your upper abs or your form is breaking down and the shoulder joint pinches in mid rep on the mid delt tendons.

>>76732904
Just take a break from pressing for a couple weeks and see if it comes back. It may just be inflammation from overuse. If you still have pain you will have to do some rotator cuff work to rehab the joint.

>>76733313
>just wait for pain to disappear bro
This has never worked, your body starts coping by referring your pain elsewhere and then doctors, 98% of which are worthless hacks, are incredibly confused by attempts to treat the symptoms, not treating the cause.

>>76733278
Don't worry anon, I can wait until your pain gets unbearably terminal and then you will run back to me and be a good boy while reading all of it and praising me for it.
But at that point there will be nothing I can do to help you.

>>76733278
it works awesome to fuck up further already fucked up shit:
>>76730056
>stretching is always retarded, tugging on injured muscle is retarded, u are stiff because u are injured - muscle is weak brittle malformed - all of the above and it tightens to defend itself from further injury
healthy functional muscle isn't stiff, and pulling on passive injured muscle will fuck it up even moar

>so no pressing?

no, press down:
>>76734052

>brooo, stretching is retarded, a muscle that's acting up shouldn't be stretched to learn that it's ok to relax
>brooo, beating your kids is retarded, a kid that's acting up shouldn't be beaten to teach them that they will get their ass beat for being retarded

>>76734078
the muscle is not acting up imbecile bot, it's tight cause it's injured
>>76734069
>it works awesome to fuck up further already fucked up shit:
>>>76730056
>>stretching is always retarded, tugging on injured muscle is retarded, u are stiff because u are injured - muscle is weak brittle malformed - all of the above and it tightens to defend itself from further injury
>healthy functional muscle isn't stiff, and pulling on passive injured muscle will fuck it up even moar

>>76733278
Jeff pls stop posting you're hurting yourself

>>76732946
Please record yourself doing whatever this is because I didn't understand shit

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>>76733261
>Collagen is a protein no
Collagen is a protein amino acid, but it's not meat protein. We identify the two by the amino acid spread.
>collagen amino acids
>meat amino acids
Collagen amino acid foods are specifically high in glycine, proline, hydroxyproline as their primary ratio.
We want to ingest these because 36% of your body mass is made up of collagen amino acids and are the most abundant of all the amino acids in your body.
The reason why "bulking" doesn't work is because you can effectively double your entire protein intake and still not get enough collagen amino acid spread depending on what you eat.
The rest of the amino acids are pissed out since they cannot be utilized, making it a very costly and wasteful food source.
Your body cannot store them either, because muscle synthesis is based on a 24 hour cycle.
Finally conversion rate of the few meat based amino acids >>> collagen based amino acids is abysmal in all case studies, it's for bare minimal survival and primarily it's used to protect the major organs such as skin, digestive system, lungs.
All of the things necessary for you to not die every single day.
Can't breathe without lungs, can't maintain homeostasis without skin, can't digest new foods without stomach.
Finally large amounts of glycine alone are used to just make you fall asleep as glycine lowers body temperature so that the brain can function on bare minimal systems and rest.

If you have a really good macro protein spread ratio, sure a small increase to calories will probably be fine.
For the greatest majority of people, you're already collagen amino acid deficient. Even most body builders who swear they eat right are collagen amino acid deficient.
Which is why tendonitis, joint, tendon insertion injuries are so high.
The simplest way to ensure collagen amino acid spread is to actually stop increasing meat based protein intake, simply maintain. While just actually adding a serving of collagen food source.

>>76734296
>>76733261
furthermore, your gains will actually be much higher.
Since you are reducing the greatest risk of injury a lifter can ever have. About 75% of all injuries happen at the muscle/tendon insertion.
it's almost never the muscle that gives out, but the weak tendon mass wrapped into the muscle tissue.

You'll be lifting longer, be less fatigued, and have more strength at the most important of levels. The muscular/skeletal level.
Watch any roider video where the dude's pec flies off the shoulder and see where it broke off, it's the tendon insertion.

>>76733223
I do an UPPER/LOWER split. And as I said, I do 8-10 working sets spread over two different days of chest, along with two triceps exercises and four shoulder exercises on on each upper day. I have recently started implemented band work into my warm ups, but this was only after noticing the problem.

>>76733978
you had your chance to prove your point but you post this dogshit instead
I shant be responding to you again, fuck off

>>76735582
you'll have to cope anon, it's permanent.

>>76734296
>While just actually adding a serving of collagen food source
Your suggestions?

2-1 pull push ratio is a meme. most pulls are just making your lats more dominant and your lats are internal rotators.
external rotation of the shoulder and thoracic extension is how you fix shoulder pain.
stretch the lats, pecs and front delts. easiest way to do this is with the crab/table pose and frequent dead hangs.
next get better at thoracic extension. do front squats and overhead squats.
then do facepulls and external rotations with your arm at your side. get a nice pump going.
do all the above in your warmup for most gym days.

>>76732904
Dead hangs every day for 2 mins ( you can pause ). Also isometrics with suitable weight.( Get into a position on your press where you feel the most pain, that's how you get the blood in ). I used to have shoulder problems because of dips, but now I feel like my shoulders are made of iron

>>76735630
Yeah sure

I mix around, you can buy collagen powder when it's on sell. Ignore anti collagen powder shills. Do what is best financially as at sale price it's as cheap as any other source of collagen. They are trying to get it off the shelves because women won't buy slightly past date products. Ain't nothing wrong with it.
Soups and stews are a big part of how we got collagen in nature.
Women would often when cooking dump the entire skeleton of an animal into stews, leaking it's calcium, magnesium, other micronutrients, and collagen sources into the stew. It also breaks down tendon sources and makes them more palpable.
I digree, learn to make stew, it's a great meal source.
We call this bone broth though if bought from a store.
Gelatin is another source, it's easy to apply to cottage cheese, yogurts, etc, and has basically no noticeable taste. (it will almost always be neutral before tasting bad).

Stews were a big thing though m8.
If you are white, historically a hundred years ago your family ate stews like 3 times a week.
200 years ago stews were eaten almost daily.
There was basically always a stew brewing.
Doesn't mean you wouldn't eat other meals, but there was nothing easier for your mom to make for lunch other than stew.
While she was preparing dinners, the leftover meat and vegetable sources from the night before could be dumped into a stew pot and cooked for hours for an easy meal serving.

>>76732991
I find that active high freq movements super low weight plus the aforementioned routine can turn a sharp pain into workable within a week, however i am always trying to put muscle on and have more developed into working with injury than fully recovering.

Tendons do take more 2mo than 3wks to get to 100% vs muscles and require more vitamins/minerals than muscles. A big detriment to tendon recovery is not setting them, you gotta be putting some weight on them and hearing/feeling the crunch for them to be able to reset to neutral and be able to rest.

I also fully recovered from a rotator cuff slight tear when i quit lifting, so im well aware of your assertation however i get injuries fast since im super tall and it flat out takes more time to recover since its the same amount of mass, aka the absolute load is like 1.5x on tendons at the same weight on one point of the joints regardless of levers, the shearing force is greater with the same ratio humerus-pec and takes a lot of yearly volume to adapt, way more food etc but knowing this for months ive grown significantly. I can push a lot of weight cheating but have to do weird movements to progress instead of just adding weight.