>Who is /fat/ for?For bread burglars working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.Join our Fatty Contest: https://www.fattycontest.com/>What do I do first?1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros) or LoseIt (great for both).>Now what?Count calories, all of them.Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.Buy scales, be accurate.Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.Eat a lot of protein. 1g per lb of goal lean body mass.Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks.Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and burn fat much quicker. No lifting results in the body burning away muscle AND fat.Drink more water.Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html>DON'TEat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of calories.Eat hyper-processed foods.Drink your calories (alcohol, soda, starbucks).Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks."Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.>Other resources:Loose skin, gyno & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/Reddit wiki: https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/wiki/faqPrevious thread: >>76858200
>haven't eaten like a pig for 21 whole daysare you guys proud of me?
>>76863410I am eating only like 1.2k calories per day, i do cardio all days 2 hours, i have already lost 3-5kg in two weeks, my clothes are already falling apart a little bit, is that normal?
>>76863432No it's not normal to only eat 1.2k calories and do cardio for 2 hours every day.
>>76863434I al shifting to three days per week strengh and eating extra 500 calories, my question is if that weight loss is normal (not optimal, just expected)
>>76863432You’re starving yourself anonThis isn’t sustainable
>>76863438It depends (height, weight, age, previous diet etc.) but generally yes. Part of it will be water weight, the rest is loss of muscle and fat.
>>76863417yes, keep it up
>>76863432>I am eating only like 1.2k calories per dayunless you're a woman/manlet/gigafat this will trigger the insomnia-insanity-death spiral eventually
>>76863482
>>768634321,200kcal is very low, that's the higher end of the range Dr. Now (My beloved) would his 600lbs patients on when they're near death and need to lose as quickly as possible.What is your weight? That you have such a wide range ("3-5kg") implies that you weigh yourself regularly and several times throughout the day, that 2kg difference is probably daily fluctuations in water weight, just take the lower figure, we'll say you lost 3kg. 1.5kg a week - if you're losing 1% a week (which is quite reasonable) then I'd guess you're about 150kg? If you're less than 90kg or so, that is a concerning amount, if you're 150 or over, that's probably normal. Especially if you're on the heavier side and don't care much about retaining muscle, it could be fine.How long have you been losing weight? Just 2 weeks? 1,200kcal probably isn't that sustainable unless you're really small with a maintenance level less than 2,000kcal (which isn't really that unusual).2 hours cardio a day is very extreme, and what do you mean when you say that your clothes are falling apart? Like their more lose? Or tearing from more movement?
>tfw still don't fit in my motorcycle leathers
i hate fatties!>do you hate fatties?i hate fatties!>do you hate fatties?i hate fatties!>do you hate fatties?>i hate fatties!do you hate fatties?>i hate fatties!do you hate fatties?>i hate fatties!do you hate fatties?
>>76863554godwilling my friend
>>768636121. I were 95kg when I started, I am 90kg no; I were on a 2k calorie diet fro one montn and did 30min excercise per day so is not water, is fatAnd my clothes are more lose
>>76863647If you are fat dont do a mukbang ffs
>>76863686That video truly helps when feeling a lack of self control and willpower.
I missed my eating window and now I'm punishing myself with a Big Breakfast from Leo's. Fuck you all, thank you.
>>76863554Pfft. I am 7'7" and I eat 1200 a day. Ive gone from 250 to 120 in just 9 months.
>crashing out anout 1200 a day>I've been doing 750 a day for fucking monthsNigga, just make sure like 500 of those calories are from protein and youre taking supplements. My average day is 4 scoops of protein powder in the morning and a can of soup in the evening. >t. 170 lbs 5'11" down from 280
ate out with familyand when I say I ate. I do not mean I consumed food. I did not partake in morsels, I did not absorb nutrients. I mean I ATE. all you can eat is a bitchcant undo whats been done, back on the grind I guess
>tfw even if you lose weight you gotta worry about bad geneticsBros...
>>76863417Didn't you eat a bunch of donuts or something just a couple of days ago?
>>76863947Nah, another guy. The dr Now guy has been clean. Thus we are proud of him and his achievement. You're Dindu N, the keeper of the donut saga
>>76863919I don't worry about things I cant control, except for my mortality.
>>76863612i thought the thumbnail was a pic of a cock with foreskin.>>76863849>all you can eatnext time go somewhere you're allowed to take home food. you can save half for tomorrow
what kind of rice do y'all eat? i have never been a big rice eater and there's so many types its retarded
>>76864080I believe parboiled rice is the superior form of all rice
>>76864080i don't eat rice at all.i can't control my portions if it is involved.
>>76864080Why are you, in the thread for cutting, suggesting one of the worst food items for cutting?
can't I just water fast until I reach goal weight? I have until Christmas
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>>76863847>>I've been doing 750 a daygiwtwm
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>>76864080i love rice but i had to remove it. it's nutritionally worthless to me
day unknown of me wishing my woosh would hurry the fuck up already
>your body actually burns 20-30% of each calorie from protein just from digesting it, compared to ~0% for fat (this is called thermic effect of food)>this means 500 calories of protein is actually 400-350 calories>the calories on the back of the box does not account for this>but you also shouldn't account for this when tracking macros for weight loss for uhhhhhh reasons>the reason? Because TDEE already supposedly estimates thermic effect!!>but the estimate is not based on what you actually ate, after all the tdee calculator doesn't ask for how much of your diet is protein or fat or whatever>therefore a person cutting almost exclusively on protein is actually running a far more dramatic cut than someone cutting eating a lot of fat>(this also affects the numbers if someone obese is fasting since there is basically no thermic effect from your body's own fat)>there is no more accurate system for this despite the fact that macro tracking apps have existed for decades>no one talks about thisI HATE TDEE I HATE TDEE I HATE TDEE
>>76864172Lol, the pygmy vietlets should fear the strong malay!You can. Extremely unhealthy, your tendons & brains will permanently get damaged through malnourishment and autophagy, but you don't really seem to need the tendons, since the magic number on a digital screen ia your God and you're already a low iq retard. Propably brown too.
>>76864211Because niggers who try and eat back their thermic effect of food end up not losing weight. Stop cheating yourself you lazy faggot.
>>76864211literally who cares. just make an approximate guess of your TDEE, overestimate your calories by like 10% and you will definitely lose weightits anal retentive to care so much about the "uh akshually" specific number. I dont log my calories I just keep a mental tally of where abouts im at and its never failed me.
>>76864211im p sure macrofactor takes this into account, because its essentially using PID control on your bodyhttps://help.macrofactorapp.com/en/articles/126-why-is-my-expenditure-in-macrofactor-different-from-the-output-of-a-tdee-calculator
>>76864211The 30% value is assuming raw and entirely unprocessed protein. It's closer to 20% for grilled chicken and 10%-15% for highly processed protein like a bar or protein shake fwiw.
>>76864179It really isnt that hardYou bitches are weak
I cant break the 200 barrier no matter how hard i try. Went from 230 to 200 then back to 215
Is lean beef overpowered?I finally started buying 93/7 instead of 85/15 like I usually do, have eaten it for dinner every day for the last 10 days and I've been feeling better since the switch.
>>76864236indeed i am weak
>>76864249try harder, brudda
anyone else really tired on their rest day? I did a 10 minute walk yesterday and I've been nodding off in my chair all day today. I can't stay awake at all.
>>76864258I'm really tired every day.
>>76864258Yes. Rest days are when I get a real take on my fatigue level. If I feel like a discohomo who can take over the world I plan a deload ASAP. Rest days are for rest, if I don't feel like resting I actually need resting.
>>76864275When will I feel alive again?
>>76864249Just eat less
>>76864306It's that short moment between feeling dead now, and leaving something behind in a pulsating moist kitty cat that makes you a total necro for the next 18.75 years of your shortened life.
cant stick to his diet because he's too lazy to cook every day award
>>76864325I give my pulsating kitty cookies every day at 6pm. How will this shorten m y life?
>>76864172>spends years getting fat>thinks he can undo all the damage in a monthloleven if you had a button to make you skinny instantly you would just regain it all eventually
Do you mention your big three in your grindr profile?
>>76864341my top 3 shounen anime?
>>76864251yeahI was initially put off by the price but now I think it's worth it
>>76864332You're on a pygmy hunter-gatherer forum in the athletics section talking about the effects of long term whale oil abusement on ones' body, and which voodoo rids the curse. Trust me, your life's shortened.
>>76864329Guy who's able to stick to his diet precisely because he can't cook and is too lazy to go out to eat and there's nothing around the house to snack on(Me)
>>76864353brro, i ask u when the recovery period becomes briefer for doing exercise as a skinny fat man. I didn't ask u about juju.
whenever I run out of food I bike 10 miles to a grocery store, like my forefathers did
anybody got that webm of the girl that starts like, lose 200 lbs with me, or something. she's very tan.
>tfw next eating window is on Friday
>>76864361Kek me too. Ive probably averaged around 800 calories on work days due to this. The absolute worst feeling is spending all my energy cooking something only to find out im allergic to it. Makes a nigga wanna quit and just starve till gw
>>76864365For a skinny fat it might take some time. Fats usually have muscle, their CNS is more attuned to working the load. You don't have the same benefit as a skinnyfat. Going for optimal recovery, nutrition and not pushing cardio too much, I think pushing yourself to a PPL (6x/week) routine starting with 40-60min workouts would be the best bet, then increasing the workout times to 100-120 minutes. Once you reach there you can drop your routines to 4-5x/week, in other words the extra training will not give you much extra. Your recovery at that point will be much better, and you can add cardio to the offdays. Skinnyfat CNS noob gains are a bit different from fattie noob gains.
I foolishly recommended loseit to someone in the other thread not realizing how bad their NIGGER DEVS fucked up the overhaul. Sorry about that bro. Hope you find a better app because I know i sure will.
>>76864405Pic related - its not even Wednesday and somehow ive already used up 1000 calories. I guess they think im some kinda time traveling fatty.
>>76864405>0g BROteenThe computer says ngmi, anon
>>76864405i use this app too, whats so bad about the new update? all ive noticed is it looks slightly different,
>>76864421I noticed they added ads whenever you scan a barcode for food, they added a big annoying ad between dinner and snacks, the premium pricing is insane now (and they no longer offer lifetime subs)Other than that it's fine
>>76864421Its mainly a layout thing for me but its not even the fact that they created a new retarded layout which puts a reporting function in a place that users need to use to log their shit. Its the fact that its not working correctly, and reporting calories used when I havent logged anything it for that day since its Tuesday and not fucking Wednesday. Like my god if youre gonna cuck us with a new interface at least make it work right.
Fasting the day before and after Thanksgiving means I get to eat as much as I want on Thanksgiving with minimal to no consequences, Right bros?
>>76864448Yes!That behavior also fits the definition of Bulimia Nervosa
>>76864463Isn't bulimia about making yourself puke? What does that have anything to do with what I said.
Bros I don't want to use a cheat day on my family's shitty cooking......
>eat healthy meal>feel bloated and fat
any other fatties get bloodword recently? 30M, got results ~3 weeks ago, C-Reactive Protein of 32.28 mg/L. got a call from the doc this morning, said it was high again when they retested it on friday. is this actually anything to be worried about? i keep reading on r*ddit and other places that it can be an indication of many things, including just being fat, and docs don't usually order it for usual screening.
>>76864172Yes but you'll rebound even fatter, weaker, balder.
Something I've noticed as I've begun losing weight is that my gut actually hangs and jiggles more than it did before. Is that a normal thing that happens as skin comes loose and skin fat loses the structural support of visceral fat, is there something wrong with me, or am I just fucking insane?>323.8lbs as of Sunday>43% BF as of the start of the month
is it normal to feel some pain in the front delt after relaxing it after each repetition?my front delt is extremely weak so i've been doing mind muscle connection exercises with bands and dumbbell holds.i think i've over-trained it before because ot was painful whenever i release the flex even without weights but now i'm not so sure and maybe it's normal.
>>76864509anons have reported this before.i think the interpretation is the fat becoming less dense since you're losing it. i have not read anons' interpretations so i'm pulling this out of my ass.
what do you guys eat your ground beef with and what do you season it withI usually stick to chicken and broccoli and just season it with spicy Hungarian paprika and chili powder and shit and then bake it, but want to try cooking more with ground beef
Fatty ContestName: Dzonathan GavertWeight: 95.1 kgOverall Progress:https://tinylink.net/1JdoyMotivational Song of the Day:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01skyPMeeoc&list=RD01skyPMeeoc&start_radio=1
>chest pain seems to be subsidingIs my acid reflux gone?Am I not gonna die from esophagus cancer?
>>76864251fine as long as it's not overpriced, you can drain a lot of the fat yourself if it is
>>76864559plain (salt, pepper) beef patties for burgersmexican/taco seasoning, for nachos, burritos, tacos etc.tomato based sauce for pasta dishes like spaghetti bolognesebeef stroganoff sachetbeef gravy packet if i'm lazy
>>76864617idk your other stats but have you considered it's a heart attack and you should go to the emergency?
>>76864736Man I've had chest pains since I was 13I'm 30 nowMy blood pressure's always been fine
>>76864781>anon is having a 17 year long heart attacki admire your pain tolerance
How many calories are you allowing yourself on Thanksgiving my fellow Amerifats?
>>7686484320,000I'm eating entire turkeys and gallons of spuds
just reached 130 poundsI think I could still lose a few more and get down to 12%
What would Dr Now say about you anon?
>went 20 calories over my 2000 calorie budget for the dayFUCKbut i had to do it to meet my protein targetis it ok if i've been eating whole foods? i had 2 hardboiled eggs and it just tipped me over to 2020 calories
>>76864945You're fucked
>>76864910very nice
>>76864958
is 1200-1400 calories really too low? (1500 deficit)
>>76864843None, my fat is super squishy right now and I need to know what I actually weigh once the water leaves. Might drink to draw it out.
>>76864509The broscience is that your fat cells temporarily refill with water, and then after a while they give it up and you lose a chunk of weight all at once. I don’t think it’s been proven or studied but I believe it.
>>76864467Not necessarily.Non-purging bulimia is when you fast after, and is usually what overweight people have. There’s also exercise bulimia which is like compulsive runners.
>>76864945Just walk for like 6 minutes lmao
Third day on Mounjaro yesterday I was a bit flat but now I have slept I've woken up and feel line87 kilos and 6ftI am taking in around 1000 calories and all of this is focused on things like protein, salt magnesium, multi vitamins, blackberries.It's so nice knowing, I can't fucking binge and also feel like my diet soda addiction is less now too. It's so nice feeling in complete control
Yup, I get most of my exercise walking up to the fridge.*burp*
>>76864970fine if you are mostly sedentary but bit low for a man, you'll lose some extra muscle mass but you won't die or anything.
Why is it that while I'm losing weight, I feel fatter than when I didn't care?
>>76864970not for 250-300+ pound people.
>>76865075you're nooooooticing more now is all.
>>76865075yeah I feel the same, the more weight I lose the worse I feel when I look in the mirror
>>76865075Because you are actually trying now and you still look like shit.
>>76864477C reactive protein by itself doesn't mean anything. A high number means inflammation, but it could be anything. A broken bone, arthritis, the flu, allergies,etc. That's why it's an unusual exam. If your doctor ask for extra blood work do it, but I wouldn't worry about anything yet
>>76864998More like 20 minutes.
Fatty ContestNapoli87.8kgHoly shit man take the eye off the ball and pay the toll, running sucks now with all the fucking ice and snow, gonna look into indoor exercises like some gay shit like tabata or something.
>>76865042>under 200lbs on mounjaro You should be shot
>wake up 4 am>walk for an hour and a half>only 5:30 amfeels like im a time wizard just making time
>today is gym day>woke up feeling like shit, foggy, headache.>drink shitloads of water>still feel like shitit's over for me boys.
>>76865042
>>76865042unbelievably based do what you need to do brother, thanks for revealing the crabs in the bucket lol look at 'em go!
>posts bait>replies to his own bait with more bait
>be meal prepping some recipe for high protein low calorie meal i saw on youtube>guy calls for ''reduced fat mozzarella''>it's a US thing, we don't have ''reduced fat mozzarella'' here in euroland, not the low moisture kind anyways>check nutritional facts on wallmarts ''reduced fat mozzarella''>110 calories per 28g>check my countries normal mozzarella>89 calories per 30gAmericans, whats going on here big guys?
>hehehe im le grinch>xDDDDDD>they'll never suspect me>xDDDDDD>wtf i got found out>:OOOOOOWhy are mentally retarded people like this?
I fucking hate water weight and weight fluctuations. I am 107kgs, 175cm, started going to the gym again seriously 3 months ago after a breakup. I lifted for many years before, was around 83kgs with abs but after a surgery i stopped for 3 years and became 117kgs.I am doing PPL going hard as fuck in the gym, measuring every calorie, only eating chicken rice eggs cottage cheese whey protein, 1500-1700 calories 160gprotein around 10k steps. I went from 117 to 107 but the last few days my weight(measured naked in the morning after pissing and shitting) has been 107.2 107.2 107.2 106.7 107 FUCK i just want to speedrun to 80kgs i hate how i look now compared to before
Is it normal to lose +10 kgs in 2 months?I didn't realize I did anything different.I went to germany for the okotberfest and christmas market.I did a lot of walking though but I thought it was offset with my extra consumption of beer and food.Maybe it's the cleaner food? or is US food is just poz'd?
>>76865311You didn't get fat in a month, you won't lose the weight in a month either.
>>76865311Why do you focus on the number on the scale instead of on your actual progress?
>>76865316depends on how big you are like 0.5% of body weight per week is a pretty normal and health amount.
>>76865307you're comparing low moisture mozzarella to regular mozzarella which has tons of water
>>76865320how can i measure progress any other way? i just have to trust the process I guess. I can't tell much of a difference in how I look, except my jawline and face which isnt as bloated now but still fat as fuck
>>76865328No, I'm not. Both are the yellow grated type low moisture mozzarella.
>>76865331tape measure, strength going up, cardiovascular endurance improving lots of things i'm sure google has some even better suggestions
>>76865331Read this, you'll understand.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law
you can just do things
>>76865334huh you're right I just checked and that american one you posted does have 50% more fat content than the ones sold hereI guess TIL that low-moisture mozzarella is way better than other hard cheeses. If only it had flavor.
>>76865352>If only it had flavor.seasoning or adding a little parmesan in if its mixed in a food works fine for that. the whole point is protein content for low calories and melty cheese-goodness.
>got bored of another foodtime to invent another dish to autistically eat every day for the next few monthsmaybe I should go for some non-animal protein this time, meat is getting expensive
>>76865331>>76865348To spell it out (also >>76865336 is right)You started this journey to get over your breakup, be more attractive to find your next mate, be stronger, feel better, live longer etc. But now you're doing it to see a number on a scale go down, forgetting all the reasons why you are doing this in the first place.
Anyone else finding eating a varied diet while keeping a deficit and high protein insanely expensive? The only way to hit macros and deficit without wasting a bunch of money is to just eat chicken breast, rice and broccoli every day every meal.
>>76865362Have you considered slowing down your progress by say 10% and enjoy food 300% more by adding a few sub optimal ingredients? Morale is important.
>>76865366I did, I'm currently on a maintenance break, which ends this week, was just doing a shopping list for next weeks diet which I've upped my caloric allowance by 100, but damn the grocery shopping for 1 week worth of meals is gonna be costly for it. I think trying to eat 200g protein a day is whats making it so fucking expensive.
>>76865372I don't mean temporarily, I mean in general. Why not throw some fish and nuts in there.
Fuuuuck bros... egg burritos with salsa mog egg sandwiches on honey wheat bread. Im never going back
>>76865380>I don't mean temporarily, I mean in general. Well the new diet im doing after this maintenance break will be perma till i need to lower it more after progress, I'll be effectively eating about 200 calories more than I did before daily, mostly to allow for protein goals. Also i'm doing caloric cycling, eating slightly more 3 days a week where I hit the gym, and slightly less on rest days. I read that it can slightly help with metabolic adaptation, plus it allows me to have a couple of extra carbs as preworkout.>throw some fishNot a fan of fish>nutsToo calorically dense, not much volume for the calories to make it worth for me.
Bros, these protein bars are fucking insane. >200 calories>20g proteinThey taste fucking great. If you care about protein goals and can afford them into your deficit, they are worth it. Just bought a case and I eat one as a treat after the gym.
>>76865362depends on where you live, what the prices are, and how many /fit/ psyops you fell for but generally no, while I definitely spend more money on food than someone who gets the bulk of their calories from things like pasta, bread, or potatoes, just the sheer fact you're eating less calories is saving you money
>>76865398Yeah I feel like if I was eating a bunch of potatoes for every meal I'd be saving a lot more money. But i'd end up a dried up skinnyfat by the end of my fatloss.
>>76865393I only started eating protein bars recently since they've become fashionable here and are available much cheaper than they used to. They're nice, definitely viable option when I'm craving something sweet, but I wouldn't make them a part of my daily diet.
>>76865325Not really big at all, like 176 cm.But even so I thought my calorie intake was a little bit high compared to when I was in the US.But to go from 20% BF to 16% BF is pretty nice, I want to stay this way, and I'm not sure how and what I did to get like this, other than better food quality.
>>76865401>but I wouldn't make them a part of my daily diet.Yeah, I only have 3 a week, as a treat on gym days. The barebell ones don't taste like shit like most protein bars i've tried, it actually tastes like im having a regular candy bar.
>>76865402daily walking helps regulate hormones
Any anons that bought a walking pad to get their steps in? Hoping to get one that isnt too expensive and wont break down after 2-3 months.
>>76865438I got one because fuck walking in the rain, but I'm still too fat to use it.
>>76865412I disagree with that.I think diet is way more important than any amount of physical workout.I tried keto when i was in the U.S. and it helped me lose ton of weight but I got it all back the moment I got back to normal diet.Went to Europe and despite eating nothing but carbs (pizza/bread/pasta/beer) I lost weight.Only when I got back I realize how sweet U.S. bread compared to Europe.I bake my own bread now, and my weight seems to be in check.CICO work, but the real problem is how to calculate it.You can't be sure how much of that input is being metabolized into actual calories, or how much it effect your body response to it.
>>76865393Protein bars are nastyI hate the textureSame problem I have with coconut
starting weight: 118.1 kg 20/8current weight: 93.8 kg 26/11goal weight: 70 kgheight: 179 cmmethod: rolling 72s with water and coffee
>>76865450I thought the same, but the barebells ones dont have that issue for me, they have the taste and texture of normal candy bars.
My message for all the fats:https://voca.ro/1mXd2I1tllzh
>>76865444>You can't be sure how much of that input is being metabolized into actual caloriesThe numbers on the packaging or website or whatever take that into account already dumbass. Sure it's not 100% accurate, but it's good enough.
>>76865484nobody here is content with being fat, go to /fph/
>>76865444>I think diet is way more important than any amount of physical workout.I used to think that too anon, after my initial fat loss from being a fat fuck and eating less, i hit a stall. I thought I could coast with being a lazy slob, but the only way i broke my wall of stalling is to walk every day. if you dont stay active you will not get your maximum potential for fat loss no matter how well you eat. your body is designed to be mobile and designed to hold on to fat at all costs.
>>76865444I've said it a few times in these threads over the last few days but the problem really isnt overeating. The problem is the brain hunger drive signalling to overeatExercise is one of the best ways to regulate these hormones, better than diet. If you try to overcome it with diet only you will likely struggle to keep your hormones in check
>>7686539380 cal from protein 120 from other filler. Why do you think this is good? Also the sucralose or w/e sugar substitute they use makes them addictively sweet. that coupled with the fact they aren't that filling i end up eating more of them than I should.
>>76865552are you by chance, autistic? serious question.
>>76865555no why do you ask?
>>76865393Instead of eating two of these I'd rather have a cup of high protein cottage cheese and some actual dessert, which would be healthier, tastier, more filling and have better macros.
>>76865362Depends on what you mean by varied. I have two staple foods in my freezer, minestrone and stroganov. I make my own breads, I eat 0.5-1kg of quark a day, plus whey. On the weekends I can pretty much eat anything I want. If I wanted to have more options I'd just make a big batch of something to freeze as a third option. Really depends on you as a person.
>>76864249Mounjaro
>>76865567>>76865552>Hey guys, I eat this treat because it tastes good and has decent macros, I just eat it a couple of times a week>REEE EAT COTTAGE CHEESE>REEE WHY WOULD I EAT 3 OF THESE I OVEREAT THEManons, you realise the concept of a treat yes? now what about the concept of moderation? autism.gif
>>76864937That he's proud of me for breaking 200lbs and exercising regularly
>>76864937>Why aren't you doing your daily steps anon?!
>>76865576The entire concept of protein bars is antithesis to health and fitness. It's just a candy bar with protein. With colorful wrapping, marked up and sold to you under the pretense that it's "good for you teehee". But it's literally just slop. I'd respect you more if you ate actual candy like that $600 candy anon.
>>76865583Get screened for autism anon. You're either autistic or non-white with how badly you're excibiting difficulty grasping normal concepts of reality.
I ate trash food to cope but without it I'm feeling the depression closing in. Any tips, bros? should I just tough it out?
>>76865438Just bought mine, waiting for delivery.I'd rather walk outside but its so ass this time of the year here.
>>76865593Try to replace your eating habit with a walking habit to manage your stress. Stressed out? Take a walk.
>>76865576When I treat myself I treat myself to an actual candy bar and accept it for what it is. You're paying a premium to buy a product that's neither tasty nor healthy. It's indulgence buying, basically.
>90kg>no protruding stomach but waist is small and fat at the same timeI hate this look. I look like the guy who was skinny his entire life then got chubby after a getting married.
>>76865593depression isn't a real disease so yeah tough it out and stop being depressed
>>76865601>>76865586
>>76865593I hate to keep doing this but I have to. MOUNJARO. You won't feel the desire to eat trash. You won't binge. Stop relying on "willpower", it's scientifically proven IT DOES NOT WORK for 90% of chronically obese people.
>>76865602That's what happens when you don't lift while losing fat. Go lift.
>76865612buy an ad
My gym recently replaced their protein shakes. Used to be €3.25 for 320 calories and 50g of protein, now it's €2.95 for 188 calories and 24g of protein.Fucking sucks.
>>76865617Sounds like a business oppurtunity. Start selling cans of tuna and deenz from your trunk.
>>76865612tirz is not a magic pill, it stresses your pancreas big timegave me pancreatitis unfortunately so I had to stop taking ithowever even if you dont get symptoms right away, if you take it permanently for the rest of your life... you can't even fathom what problems it could lead todon't trust studies made by pharma who wants to keep making bajillions of dollarsthing is, you can lose weight naturally too
>>76865638>gave me pancreatitisIncidence of 50 per 100000. I suspect you're lying.>tirz is not a magic pillNo shit, just like every drug. They all have potential side effects. And a minority of people get nasty side effects that most people don't get, and amongst all drugs GLP-1 agonists are on the safer side.>you can lose weight naturally tooStudies show that a tiny minority of people succeed in keeping the weight off. Before fatties had to keep trying, losing and regaining and hoping they're that special 1 in 10 snowflake, now they don't because they have a very powerful tool that increases those odds of success by a lot.
>>76864013sorry fren :)
>>76865735If you're going to pull that 1 in 10 stat, you'll really need to include the entirety of the population, not just fatties. Guess the ratio for those who try to keep themselves non-fat of the people who consciously aim for it.
>>76865735don't accuse me of lying I got no reason toI wanted to be able use it cause it suppresses hunger wellbest you can say is that I'm coping with the fact that I can't take it which is fineif I were you though I wouldn't put all my trust into these numbers that are published by the companies earning big dollars from these productsalso just cause you don't get sides now, doesn't mean the drug doesn't have an impact on your body
>>76864970its normal600 is too low, high risk of fainting.900 is a little low, low risk of fainting1200-1600 is within the range of a normal weight loss diet.
Would it be better for weight loss if I started baking my own bread instead of using the store slop?Or get real bread from bakery?
>>76865735The 85-90% of people that regain weight lost also includes those that take GLP-1s though... Eventually you will come off the shot or it stops working because you build up tolerance and can't increase the dose anymore. GLP-1s make the initial weight loss easier but they aren't a miracle that will make you skinny forever.
>>76865781bread is never good for weightlossits a food that doesn't satisfy and it tastes so good it's gonna make you crave more, specially homemadereducing bread consumption will always help your weightloss
>>76865790>bread is never good for weightlossNo wonder you Americans are fat, and fall for keto fad.
>>76863679Most horrendous English I've ever seen in my life...
>>76865803Whom'Stv is thou talking aboost?
>>76865127well, in my follow up she asked me a bunch of questions and concluded "i have no idea why it's so high". She drew some more blood, ordered a chest CT, and prescribed a general anti inflammatory.
>>76865781An advantage of baking your own is that you know exactly what's in it, if you're tracking calories, and generally could be healthier than the additive filled stuff in the store. You have better control over portion size (you can make really small ones right?), and the work-per-calorie is much lower so you can't do anything like go back to the bakery to instantly buy more if you're hungry. It will be fresher, tastier, and it's a cool hobby to have.The only disadvantage is if you make bread loaves too large you might feel obligated to eat it all and eat more than you need.>>76865800Bread is so nice, but you do need to limit yourself so much when eating it on a cut. Might also matter what part of the world you're from: Germans love their bread, but this anon might be talking about sliced white bread with added sugar.Bread is the stable of civilisationIt is the root of the words company & companionIt is used in the Eucharist Ketofags are barbarians.
America doesn't have 'bread' it has a loaf of sugar.
I'm no american and I'm no ketocultist if you ever bake your own bread you gonna have a hard time stopping, its deliciouseasy to overeat, just like all good bread in generaland just like all bread its extremely calorie densemy point is that its always a net negative to eat bread if your goal is to lose weight
>>76865735The whole "regaining fat" thing is so true, I came back from college one time to find that my mother had lost probably 60-80lbs just from doing keto, it was astonishing frankly, but she couldn't keep up the keto diet, gave it up and gained it all back.People kind of think subconsciously that once they're at their goal weight they can relax and go back to their own habits, rather than it being a continuous process. Bare in mind, if you've not been doing this for a while, the concept of a perpetual, continuous process is very daunting for more people!1 in 10 is about right from what I've seen. GLP-1 is fairly new so we don't see this yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years we see people kind of depending on it long term: they go on GLP-1, lose weight, then go off GLP-1, fail to maintain discipline, then gain weight. Maybe lower doses?Fatties that lose weight from GLP-1 probably have higher rates of relapse than those who did it naturally, if I had to guess, because to do it naturally you do need to foster a certain discipline unnecessary for GLP-1fags.
>6pm>1216kCal left
>>76865829>about sliced white bread with added sugar.That abomination is cake, not bread.
>>76865781I like to bake my own bread. But I don't do it while cutting because I will eat far too much.
yesterday my diet was exactly five mcchicken sandwiches
>>76865919Eating the diet of a peasant is genuinely better for you in every possible way
>>76865920looks good, you're gonna make it
Want to post my body in /fat/ haven't made much progress since last time I posted.
>>76865964just do it
>>76865964are you the mache alles guy?
>>76865768>for those who try to keep themselves non-fatThe vast majority of people who were never fat don't have to try. Anedotically we all know skellies, they're simply never hungry. Some people don't even enjoy eating.
>>76865925yeah except the bread, rice, potatoes and pasta
I've been fat for 7 years straight now. Don't be like me and act now.
>>76865776>don't accuse me of lying I got no reason toStatistically speaking you're more likely to be lying. Sorry.>if I were you though I wouldn't put all my trust into these numbers that are published by the companiesThose aren't numbers published by the companies. People are already taking these drugs all around the world and there's no relevant increase in pancreatitis.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39941615/>also just cause you don't get sides now, doesn't mean the drug doesn't have an impact on your bodyYeah bro, just like statins, finasteride, or a million other drugs. We understand the mechanisms but we don't have people using them for 50 or 100 years yet.
>>76864213He looks like he's about to start fucking bawling.
>>76865788>they aren't a miracle that will make you skinny foreverI didn't say they were. Statins aren't miracle drugs either but people with high colesterol should still take them.
>>76863432I also eat like 1.2k and I'm not even hungry. But i dont do that much cardio
>>76864937>why are you so racist and anitsemitic>you're the most miserable piece of shit I've ever met in my entire life>you make me want to kill myself holy shit
>>76864937>sorry, you're not dumb or poor enough to appear on my program
>>76865851There are also people like me who lost naturally then regained a bunch of times for years and are just now taking these drugs because they are available. I feel like I've managed to lower my "setpoint" successfully, I've been maintaining 26~29 BMI for a while, but I'm still overweight. Just started mounjaro and I can tell this is a totally different ball game. If it works long term or after I stop I don't know but I'm willing to take the risk.
>>76866021I've jojo'd a lot over many years but very reluctant to do SSRI's and/or Ozempenis. I have this retarded belief that this is my challenge and I should solve it all by myself.
>>76864990It's called the whoosh effect. I get it when losing weight quickly. I once pissed out 10lb of water in about 36 hours. And it stayed off.
>>76866026I'm unwilling to do SSRIs but I'm ok with GLP-1 agonists. I know there are GLP-1 receptors in the brain but for whatever reason I think they mess with brain chemistry less than SSRIs. Totally unfounded it's just what I think.I also take DHT blockers for hair loss and never gave a fuck and never had sides.
>>76866021Careful when you get to your desired weight, that's when the hard part starts.
2 eggs3/4 cup yogurt with 1/4 cup granolahungry asl...
>>76866061More protein less slop
Hats in the wash
>>76866062Adding peanut butter to my next breakfast, gotcha
>>76865895That, sir, is the red, white and blue bread of the States. As American as HFCS.
>>76866063WHat the fuck is with you and this hat bro
>>76865978What I'm getting at is that the fatties don't have some odd genes that make them fat. Addiction inducing genes etc.? Sure. But no gene makes them eat utter bullshit. It's all learned behavior. And that can be changed.
>>76866004You statements made it seem like you think taking GLP-1s changes anything about the 1 in 10 that succeed in diet when it doesn't
>>76866070Habit, plus working out until you see a drip of sweat from your hat means you got a good workout in, look at is a barometer. I dont wash it a lot because it will get worn out faster, and its left out in the open to air out so it truly doesnt smell.
>>76866079Sweat doesnt really smell unless its from your crotch or your pits.
>>76866081Plus its just salt when it dries up, I dont understand why people freak out, id understand if I was posting the same dirty socks or underwear, but hat and gloves arent really the same
>>76866026definitely do not do SSRIs that shit will fucking ruin your life
>>76866067>time to add the most calorically dense nutrient deficient substance to my breakfast
>>76866026Just make sure the "this is my challenge" isnt some retarded misplaced sense of pride where you think youre being a man for suffering in silence when in reality youre cucking yourself from ever getting better
where'd that anon go who claimed to have 87kg LBM? said he'd post a pic in a few hours and never did kek
>>76866221He died, ate mcdonalds after doc told him he had an intestinal blockage
Fatty contestHedonisticFucker89.7 kgGained a bit back after vacations. Gain weight, just to lose it again. Life is a prison. Looking back at the last six years, I was REALLY fucking retarded for letting it get this bad and not doing shit about it, other than lifting all the time. At least once I get lean I'll look somewhat athletic I guess.
>made a mistake in my Excel file>something I eat frequently isn't 300 but 500kCal
>>76863947>>76863976 is right, I hate donuts.
>>76866285u a dum mf
>>76866348
>having panic attacks because I know ill never be handsome or happyBros...
>900 kcals todayi really hope the scale will go down tomorrow...
>>76866364you just need to die inside
>>76866373Sounds like a pretty retarded plan anon.
>>76866379the day is done here. i'm reporting what happened.
>have 3 scales>they all say different weights
I know half the posts here are anons just complaining about water weight but fuck. It is so demoralizing to stick to your calorie deficit and see your weight go up. I am considering taking a dieuretic or something. I am sick of this shit
>>76866450You know what drops waterweight (and fat) safely?Dryfasting
>>76866450Weigh less often. Like once every two weeks or once a month.
>>76865612>IT DOES NOT WORK for 90% of chronically obese peopleI wish the odds were even worse so I would feel more accomplished once i make it.
Why do I have to explain this. This is for all the retards that weigh often and don't understand it means NOTHING when you don't make progress every single goddamn weigh in. If you're retarded like that (and many here are), weigh in less often.
>>76866430pick up an item with a known weight and then see which one recognises it most accurately
test
>>76866486go to /fraud/ for that
lost 2kg since saturday award
I'm doing a 1800 cal/day meal plan with high protein, which is slighty below my TDEE, but am burning an average of 700 kcal from exercise (at least accoring to my Garmin). Does this actually mean I'm starving myself, or is everything fine? My lifts progress has stalled but I guess that is to be expected on a deficit anyway.
>>76866500TDEE includes exercise.
Participation award
Man it's demoralizing going from losing 4 lbs a week to .5-1 lbs a week.
>>76866500You're mixing up TDEE and BMR. Also as you may already suspect, all the calorie trackers are bullshit.
>>76863410I'm trying to do better about not going maximum hog when it comes to getting food. I'm always ordering large this and large that, which is bad enough on top of eating out alot. I'm firmly in the camp of calories in, calories out so I'm not going to get hung up on sticking to some particular diet but shoveling 1100+ calories in one sitting is not going to do me any favors.
all the calories are correct, simultaneously
>>76866505>>76866517Oops, my bad, messed it up. Well, as Im almost at 3 kg lost over this month, I will assume I'm good, this doesnt feel like a crash diet so far.
Anons I swear I'm doing everything right, but my weight won't go down and my stomach is still hugeI don't drink alcohol, don't get delivery, I eat under my TDEE, don't drink soda, wtf am I doing wrong?
>>76866578you lie to yourself
>haven't eaten like a pig for 22 whole daysare you guys proud of me?
Is it true people don't respect skinny guys? I'm like 15-20 lbs away from ideal weight and people told me not to do it because I'll be too skinny and that's not a good look for a guy.
>>76866580I'm sure I'm eating under my TDEE THOUGH
>>76865042The fatties and poor people sure as hostile here mate, must be there blood pressure
What do you guys do when you inevitably have food that you dont know the calories of?
>>76866582Haha, anon, don't you think you're taking this whole thing a little too seriously, haha. Have a piece of cake.
>175cm>go from 90kg to 80kg in the last 3 months>feel like nothing has changed I'm leaner everywhere except belly. Tiresome. I'll probably just go down to 75kg then maingain for a bit.
Accidentally ate some chips and chocolate for 700kcal, only 300 left for dinner...Is it joever?
>>76866601Put it in as x then solve for it the next day after I weigh myself.
>>76866604I'm 195cm, 89kg and I still have belly too. I'm shooting for 80kg and we'll see from there.
>>76866221:'(
>>76866604Mens fat distribution is mainly in the stomach, youd have to be very lean to have none there.
>fat for the last 10years>midlife crisis>diet for several months>lose weight>everyone likes less-fat me>hairloss beginswhy does god punish me like this?
>>76866603NTA but i love tres leches cake so much i went to get some as a treat after losing like 50 lbs and it tasted like shit i ended up throwing it away4 months of eating healthy ruined my taste buds
>>76866624Time to jump on fin and min. Should buy you another 10 years of hair.
>>76866607How do you accidentally eat chips and chocolate? Oh, yes. It' üver.
>>76866603DO NOT TEMPT ME GOBLIN. I WILL SMITE THEE
>>76866585proving my point
>>76866607
I WILL hit 12% body fatI WILL have a jaw that cuts glassI WILL have hollow cheeksI WILL have broad shoulders I WILL have the v taper I WILL have sex with a woman
i'm at a healthy weight nowwhen does the food guilt go away
My tummy hurts bros. But I'm still hungry.
>>76866650>nope>nope>nope>check>nope>check2 out of 6, you jelly?
>>76866650
>>76866578How much do you weigh and what have you eaten yesterday? Both mass wise and calories wise, and don't forget oils.
When you started, do you just started eating at maximum defined calories or slowly build up (or down) to it? I'm having a hard time sticking to my 1000kcal cut (I know I have weak will, I'm here to fix this).
>>76866603
>>76866668>Now what?Count calories, all of them.Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.Buy scales, be accurate.Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.Eat a lot of protein. 1g per lb of goal lean body mass.Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks.Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and burn fat much quicker. No lifting results in the body burning away muscle AND fat.Drink more water.Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html
>>76866668I went omad + 48h fasting and shed weight at a ridiculous weight while eating whatever I felt like for the one meal I had in portions that were satiating.I'm way too lazy to count calories, honestly.
>>76866667Thinking about this, I finally worked it outI realized I'm snacking way more than I think I am, and not even realizing itI didn't even think I had that much yesterday until I actually thought about itSHIT
>>76866682So you're not eaing under your TDEE? You are lying to yourself? That's fucking weak.
>>76866681I have no issues counting calories, I just wanna eat more
>>76866694change what you eat then, vegs are almost nothing calorie wise. Carbs are the opposite.
I ate another pizza and it tastes like shit and now I feel badJust give me a fucking heart-attack already I dont deserve to live
>>76866702I agree with your suggestion, but veggies are mostly carbs.
>>76866693I didn't realize how easy it was It's over
>>76866720Just stop being a bitch and face the truth. Stare into the abyss.
>>76866694Move more, eat more. Lift, eat even moarer. Move and lift and eat even moarerest.
>>76866651When you start counting calories and realize that your total weight times 3500 is your lifetime of calories. Thats how many calories it took to get to your weight. For me, I was 260 lbs, and that it was 910,000 calories. I want to be 150 lbs, so thats 525,000 calories. I am currently 188 lbs, so thats 658,000. I have lost 252,000 calories of weight. I need to chip away another 133,000 calories to reach my goal weight. You need to look at the big picture, nigga. Think about the total, not your daily calories. If you want to eat like shit today and do +1000 calories, then do -2000 tomorrow. Its that simple.
>>76864509I experienced this too. My big fat solid stomach getting softer and jiggly when I diet and exercise. I couldn't stop touching it. This is real shit nigga.
>>76864509YeahIt feels like you're getting fatter at first almost, it's just your skin isn't taut with fat anymoreThis is the start of the loose skinWay she goes
>>76866470I know this but I still panic like a retard, I can't help it
Mounjaro makes me poop myself. Twice today.
R8 the macros of my cereal371 kcal14.8 grams of fibre27.60 grams of proteinPer 100 grams
>>76866906I think it's ultraprocessed slop. What's the source of the kool-brotein?
yeah fuck this im giving up on keto this week lmaochipotle is offering bogo any entree and then tomorrow is thanksgiving
>>76866932>What's the source of the kool-brotein?Peas appearantly
>>7686665012% bodyfat for 99% of men is like 120-150 pounds btw (unless you've spent years lifting or are a roidtranny)
>>76866940Ah yes, self sabotage. Good idea!
>>76866944I am not a manlet
i was naughty and overate today :[
>>76866951lolhave you spent years lifting? no? have fun going down to 150 pounds (assuming you're 6'2)
>>76866940As long as it's not a recurring thing, it should be fine
How do you guys train while on the deficit ? Weights? cardio ? both ? any specific programs ?
Drug assisted rapid weight loss mogs the normie CICO -500 shit>GLP-1s for appetite (if you tolerate them)>stimulants for appetite (don't get addicted)>sleeping pills (even benadryl) to knock yourself out early when you get cravings>caffeine for metabolism boost>unlimited sugar free chewing gum, black coffee, energy drinksWith this protocol combined with OMAD you can lose like 10 pounds (in actual body fat) a month. I don't care about weight loss anymore though; eating whatever I want is way comfier
>>76866972Wii Fit + zumba
>>76866972I usually start with a 5 minute incline walk or stairs then hit weights for an hour or so and then end with 25 minutes of cardio on the cross trainer.No idea if my routine is any good or not though
>>76866972Daily cycling everywhere + PPL, 6 times a week 100-140min sessions. Not trying to stay in a deficit, just can't eat enough.>>76866974Shoo away, big nose fellow
>>76866982>just can't eat enoughyou can, you're just being a lil bitch
>>76867010:'( I even eat slop but I'm losing weight, captain.
>>76867020add chiggen
>>76866946Its a frogposter, he just wants you's
>>76867030I like You's too
>>76866601I overestimate the serving size, use the most similar item in the food tracker.If it's a dish where you can see most of the ingredients, track them all individually. +oil/butter depending on how it's cooked. Or lookup a recipe for a similar looking one and use that to estimate the calories.
>>76866972I started out with such a laughably bad physique that I had to go to physical herapy due to knee pain caused by muscle atrophy, essentially. Not his words but thats basically what it boiled down to since I was extremely sedentary for years. Right now I'm doing "couch to fitness" a free UK based cardio/calisthenics thing that while extremely gay has been effective enough at undoing some of the imbalances that have built up over the years. The way I notice them is that some of the exercises in that program are laughably easy while others are really hard for me. Particularly core/ab based stuff.Once I get through the 9 weeks I'm going to start lifting again. Prob starting strength since it seems decent enough and I have the book somewhere.
>>76867038>physio tells me to lie back>put chin to chest>now lift up your neck anon uWu>whole body starts shaking violently>except my neck it doesn't move at all
>>76867044
>>76867058I often jest that I wouldn't be too dissimilar to someone who just woke up from a coma after 6 months. But maybe it's not that far from the truth.
>>76866974literally anything mogs the normie cico garbage>fasting>keto>carnivore>glps>psmf
>>76867081>cico garbage>lists cico x5
>>76867081>>76867089cico is a constraint, not a strategy.
>>76867096CICO is all those things but without the retarded meme diet garbage
>>76866944lol w manlets
>>76865919I peasant's food was KFC?
>>76865920>>76865926>tfw smol femcel>tfw that's my intake for 2 days
>>76866079I was wondering about that. Good on you mate
>>76866604Do you have pictures from before for comparison?I'm also down 10kg in 3 months and don't really notice a difference until I looked at the "before" pictures and found that I can actually see my ribs now where I couldn't before.
>>76867058ackshually you wouldn't be allowed to play a level 12 for no cost like tribute or special summonJudge Judge
Sorry if it sound stupid, but how to meal prep a salad?Mine just get bed after few days in the fridge.But in supermarket these seems to last for few days.
>>76867121I feel really sorry for people with a maintenance under 2,000.Mine is 2,700 :)
>>76867103You can do meme diets that follow cico, just look at the guy who lost weight eating twinkies. Once again, its a constraint. As an analogy, pretend goal weight is a destination and a diet is a map. Telling someone to CICO is essentially telling them to look for a map that has scale and orientation. All maps that will get you there have it. But people usually want to be recommended an actual map. And some maps work better than others. Like I would never seriously recommend anyone use the fucking twinkie map even though its possible to lose weight on it.
>>76867172>cut up veggies>store in fridge>make dressing>store in fridge>mix together when ready Yogurt based dressing is the shit btw and has great macros.
>>76867152I don't. Kinda regret not making one desu.
>>76867174Well I'm small woman (40kg@140 cm)My TDEE ~1000 calm I can turn into a landwhale with any fast food.And even with that I still look chubby, because of shitty fat distribution.My diet is mostly vegetables, fruit and fish.Carbs are snack for me.
>>76867184tried it didn't work
>>76867195Okay try this one then.>oil, 1 lemon/lime, a splash of vinegar, saltIf that doesnt work for you either maybe just stick to frozen vegetables or making salad batches the day of.
>>76867193Do you dress into some cute and funny loli cosplay for your partner?
>>76867206summer dress and no I don't have a partner thanks to wokeism.
>>76867250
>>76867193M I D W E S TIDWEST
They're going to keep it forever right. 11/27/25(Thu)18:43:27 No.76867696▶Day 4 Mounjaro, ain't weighed in but who cares I am on 900-1100 cals taking 20,000 steps, it's happening it has to be happening.I need to see abs coming down from 20% in about 7 weeks from now can I do it?
>pharma jews invent a new type of drug addictthey can't keep getting away with it?
>fella at church said he barely recognised me with the weight loss
north of 400 lber here. my armpits smell even after I wash them with soap. is this just a symptom of being turbo fat. this wasnt a problem when i was in the low 400s.
>>76867793Huge mire>>76868034I think its just bacteria in your pit
