How long would it take to go from left to right?It doesn't have to be exactly like right, I'd be fine with a little less muscle.Doable in 3 months? What about 4? You think March is a realistic target date?
>>76873200Oh, and by "realistic", I mean with a routine that's sustainable because I want to lock in but I don't want to be a gymcel who spends 6 days a week in the gym. I still have other commitments and interests.Also, natty only. I'm too much of a poorfag to afford chems.
>>76873200Fuck off dumb nigger, read the sticky and shut the fuck up
>>76873200It doesnt matter because you'll never put in the work. If you really wanted it, you'd already be lifting and not worried about some arbitrary timeline.If someone does tell you a timeframe you find acceptable, you'll go the gym then quit in a few months when you see no progress and then go back to making "how to achieve" threads with a pic of Gooky the anime character waiting for someone to "redpill" you on how to get jacked without doing anything. loser
I'll answer this seriously OP because, well why not.--- FAT --- The first man is probably 20% bodyfat. The second 10% or less. It'll take you 3-6 months to lose that much fat. 3 months at a HARD deficit. And you won't gain any muscle during this time. --- MUSCLE --- It'll take you 2-5 years of lifting to achieve the muscle mass of the right without steroids. Significantly faster if you use steroids.--- Put this all together --- Optimistically if you eat clean (no more than 200-500 cal surplus) and train consistently then 2 years of bulking plus 6 months of cutting and you should be able to get from left to right in 2.5 years.Yes it takes time. But 2.5 years flies by, just be consistent. >but I'm impatient and want to start slaying on tinder tomorrow, should I use sterons? Steroids will get you there faster, you can probably go from left to right in a year or so, but it'll require you to eat, sleep and train right and you just aren't going to do that. Steroids make you feel like a horny god OP, for me, you and most folks that means "why should I go to gym? I'm a god, I'm going to jack off and order another pizza"Steroids will make you a fat narcissist unless you already have discipline. Is it worth the health effects if the psychological side effects are going to fuck up your diet and routine? I'd say don't touch roids until you've been training for a few years and know what you're doing.>tl;dr>2.5 years with perfect diet and routine >1 year with perfect diet, routine and steroidsEither way you'll probably give up, get lazy or find another hobby (or girlfriend) before you get from left to right so statistically speaking you'll probably never make it. There's a reason why you don't see jacked guys everywhere.
>>76873200The guy on the left has literally zero muscle mass. No point in starving yourself like >>76873250 this reddit spacing newfaggot is suggesting, as you won't look like the guy on the right if you don't have an ounce of muscle mass. Cutting, while having that fizeek as a starting point, will only make you weaker and unable to build any muscle mass. You won't even look skinnyfit. It's not doable in 3 months. Not even 6 months. Start lifting, first, and cutting out any bullshit food. Don't bulk right away, as it wouldn't make sense either. Eat slightly more than you do and stick to maingaining for few months. If you start noticing any progress, then, you can start a light bulk or even a serious bulk, if you're confident in your ability to self-control and are lifting enough, as well as doing light cardio (don't trust the anons that tell you to avoid cardio at all costs, they're gainz goblinos). Regardless, at 6 months you probably will start notice changes in your overall body composition. Guaranteed, you won't achieve that kind of physique anywhere before 12 months, if not more, if your starting point truly is the absolute DYEL on the left. I agree with reddit spacing newfag on avoiding steroids, nonetheless, and if you're not comfortable having to do stuff and wait to obtain that kind of physique and instead, you're willing to spend a lot of money to make gains that are perfectly achievable as a natty and undermine both your finances and your health in pursuit of it, you're a retard and there's a containment thread on here for retards like yourself where you can ask advice
>>76873200For those dyel lurkers who aren't faggot baiters like op, it takes approx. 4 years to get that amount of muscle for a normal person. Remember to eat clean and slow bulk for maximum efficiency
>>76873285>that wall of textlearn to use paragraphs, shitskin.
>>76873200OP here. Btw I'm trans, not sure if that matters
No you retard you won't achieve that in 4 months. But start anyway because if you work hard, you will look different and better even in half a year.Whether you should cut or bulk depends on how much fat you have on you as being skinnyfat is a spectrum. Maybe post an actual photo of yourself so we can judge.I started lifting earlier this year as a 60kg skinnyfat and I was on the skinnier side of skinnyfat and didn't want to be a skeleton, so I started lean bulking. Now I weigh 68kg, and I look a lot better, and I haven't really even put on that much extra fat. Don't eat 5000 calories a day or whatever. Literally like 200 to 350 calories over maintenance and lift to failure with at least 2x frequency for everything.
>>76873200on testosterone, you could probably get there in 4-5 months if you workout daily
Probably 5-6 months.Easiest way to get lean without counting calories is limiting carbs to post workout, and every meal being meat and vegetables.Maybe do some kind of intermittent fasting.As for exercise, push ups, dumbell stuff and pullups would be enough. Add cardio, maybe jump rope, you can do all this at home.As I'm typing this out I kind of want to do all this myself, but I'm invested in my squat and bench going up. It could all be so much easier.
>>768732002-5 years without gear, with consistency in training & nutrition.
>>768732001g test split mon/thur, 1.5g tren split mon/thur, 100mg sdrol ed, 20 iu of hgh ed.Stop the sdrol after 4 weeks, wait 4 weeks, another 4 weeks of sdrolSomething like this is your only hope. This is excessive and you will get severe, probably permanent, side effects such as organ and abnormal bone growth from the hghThat's more like a year on a more reasonable, but still high, steroid protocol
>>76873200Left needs at least a year of bulking and hard training followed by a six month cut, and he still probably wouldn't be halfway towards right, but he would still mog 90% of guys on the beach
With a personal trainer and personal chef and weekly check ins with a fitness doctor, yeah, 3-6 months is doable (depending on age, genetics, and preexisting health)>I want to lock in but I don't want to be a gymcelPick a lane dude
>>76873285You're a fucking retard. Maingaining is for roiders and people that already built a physique. Slight cut and bulk cycles is the way to go and there's no point in bulking if you're fat or skinny fat
Natty with perfect nutrition and lifting and daily cardio. ~ 3 to 4 months Steroids + all the above 4 to 6 weeks Biggest question is how much muscle and strength do you already have, it takes time to get big and strong. Cutting bodyfat doesn't take long if you already have the muscle underneath
>>768732002-5 years with 7-9 hours per week
>>76874620>Natty with perfect nutrition and lifting and daily cardio. ~ 3 to 4 monthslmao
>>76874664>>76874332Two weeks
>>76874674Yeah that's cool but you gotta remember this: I went from 48% bodyfat to winning the Heavyweight Arnold Muscle classic with only a weeks worth of prep time and if you don't believe me then you're just coping
>>76874599The exact opposite. Cut and bulk is for people on steroids and lean bulking / recomping is better for natties
