/fraud/DO WOMEN KNOW WHAT THEY WANT IN A MAN EDITION?WHY DOES SHE GET MAD WHEN I DENY FOOD SHE OFFERS ME?WHY IS SHE UPSET WHEN I TELL HER I NEED TO PIN?TREN DOSAGE GUIDELINES: 1000MG/DAY 7XWEEK MINIMUM>Where do I start?old.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index>additional info, experiences, advice, Q&A etc.previous >>77064101
>>77082408>DO WOMEN KNOW WHAT THEY WANT IN A MAN EDITION?>WHY DOES SHE GET MAD WHEN I DENY FOOD SHE OFFERS ME?>WHY IS SHE UPSET WHEN I TELL HER I NEED TO PIN?none of this happened btw
steroids are for manlet faggots
>>77082576ONE OF THEM DID THOUGH>>77082601I’VE TAKEN SHITS LESS BROWN THAN YOU
it i cried at romance movie clips on Instagram do i need to up my AI?
Ok, which tren should I choose >ace>enant>hexand why?
>>77082408stay away steroidi did a 500test-e cycle back in the days and i still suffer from deep terminal permanent cyst acne covering all my chest and upperbackthe dermatologist cried last time when i had to remove my shirt and yet he refuses to give me reference for MAIDS, all he did was give me 6 month of accutane who did nothing and cortisone-steroid shot into some of my scars which did almost nothingi want to die everyday
>>77082408ngl i kinda wanna try 7g tren now...
98ms hrv285lbs 5'9", dost thou feel rage
>>77082912Depends on how versed you are in managing sides or balance E2. If you fuck it up and want it out of you faster then the quicker esthers probably, I run E for the slow controlled burn but prop and ace are kino.
Started cruising 200mg a week while cutting from being a fat fuck. I need gains now.
3iu of gh ed skyrocketed my blood pressure to 160/120. Flushed my skin horribly and I had water go to my fucking fingers of all places. I’m was at 205 12% body fat and it bloated me easily to 215. I looked really good in the mornings but holy fuck. The bloating was worse 75mg of dbol. Ive never had my heart pounding like this ever before.For reference my worst blood pressure reading was 130/81 on 150mg of tren ace and 30mg of superdrol every day. This was fucking terrible, my sleep was great for the first couple days then turned into full blown insomnia. I’m dumping my gh on a buddy and not touching it again for a long time. It could be because of my macro and electrolyte mix but I definitely think my high sodium intake made everything worse. Thanks for reading my blig.
>>77083560Do mk 677 instead
>>77083560160/120 is high? uh brb
>>77083521Thanks. Enanthate sounds good desu
>>77083560Oh fuck. I just bought 280iu.
>>77083560hi, it's me. your buddy. send hormone here, plox
>>77083560Im about to start the same and im 25% bf!
>>77083804What benefits HGH will bring? Lipolysis? I don't know much about it. (BF ~25% here)
>>77083560That's alright, after 4-6 weeks it'll be better.
Im 6'0, 160lbs. One year of lifting. I know Im still too skinny but i'll hop on steroids regardless. Already ordered a Test E pharmagrade vial. Wont get acne because of ACCUTANE, wont get bald because of DUTASTERIDE+MINOX+BIOTINWIN, WIN, WIN!!!
>>77084204dont forget your arimidex or aromasin, and order enough of everything to last a year in case something goes wrong.... again
>>77084246How does those work for lowering estrogen? I mean, lets say my estrogen is too high, I need to take them until it gets lower and thats it, or do I need to use them until the end of the cycle?
>>77084204Lifts?
>>77084334135/205/285/350
Shit my pants this morning but also weighed in at a new low. aint stoppin until we see dickskin.
why does my prostate hurt
This is an indication that I can blast 10 grams like the pros do right25mg rad 140 12.5 enclo285lbs 5'9"
>>77083560I ran 3 IU/ day and was fine, increased to 4, 5, 6. Felt fine at 6 but pushed the dose up to 8. Soon after I got horrible bloating, edema in my feet, ankles and wrists and my joints hurt like fuck.Backed the dose down to 4 immediately, still felt shit, dropped to 2 felt like shit and then stopped for 2 months.Now I tried 2IU again and can't even handle it, I think I got an allergy to it or something
>>77084502Think I'm going to go grab some mint chocolate chip ice cream to round off my night, thanks for the input guys
Cant even imagine the thought process that one goes thtough to allow yourself to be conned by BigNeedle to turn yourself into a roider. Just introducing x10 the amount of hassle into your life for fuck all reason. Shame
>>77084705I use rad140 which is a pill, but, you significantly improve your physique and capacity to workSome of us started with low test anyways, even though I have 7 inches broad shoulders much body hair, a blood test indicated I was like 210ng when I was 21 and weighed 165lbsBasically I have nothing to lose, I'm 32 years old can afford gear forever, and life is boring without drugs in general, literally superhuman serum exists and you refuse to use itDespite the fact that I'm technically obese I have significant muscle mass and am getting insane eye contact from women, you become more mentally resilient No downsides really
>>77084502How the fuck? My HRV is like 30. Mine declined from 50 over the past few months for seemingly no reason other than I'm boosting my GH with peptides.
>>77084725I was getting eye fucked at a party with my gf last night, by women in a friend circle I have known for years who also had their DYEL boyfriends there with them and let’s just say it reminded me why I workout (not just roid but bettering myself). Low T held me back for years. FUCK my jew doctors for not giving it to me legally.
>>77084317more body fat aromatizes more excess testosterone to estrogen. so if you're over 12% bf, you'll get more e2. some people are just high aromatizers too, despite bf. generally trt doses (<200mg/week) you're probably fine without. 500+ you'll probably need one the whole blast. often 0.125mg adex, or 6/12mg asin, on pin days. it's super individualistic though, so you just gotta find what works for you. there are dudes on 75mg that grow titties. there are dudes on 750 that dont need an ai. you can also try dim (diindolylmethane) + calcium d-glucarate if you're willing to roll the dice
>>77084841or just take TRT test dosage with 500mg Tren to balance it out
>>77084317So you'll start a cycle and don't even know this simple retarded aspect of steroids? It shows you lack the basic Somalian iq of just reading about a topic before.Lmao go ahead retard, the worlds is your after all. The useless npc world.
>>77084408PSA too high. Say hello to la hyperplasia prostatica cabron, and maybe prostate related cancer.
>>77084502Will you post the same thing 10x every day?
>>77084926Maybe it’s because he dildo’d his bussy for hours after his injections.
>>77084913i like the way you think
>>77083030>terminal permanent cyst acne covering all my chest and upperbackImaging being a disgusting genetic failure.
>>77083560Made the mistake of doing the same (pinning 4IUs no raml up). Had the same problem. Restarted after it flushed out and upped it .5Ius every other week. Up to 4 IUs now with manageable sides. Holding more water than I like. I'm hoping it'll all flush out eventually.
>>77084793This app might be bs, 130 measurement last night, this morning I got 145 and then I'm getting 50 nowGot 98 2 nights agoMaybe pre-workout stress or this app sucks dong
>>77084928I only posted it 3 times in off hours
>>77085600I think it's typically measured while you sleep. Other than that I can't imagine it being wrong unless the heart rate sensor is not working properly or you can mess with the rating by bumping it. What's your resting heart rate?
>>77085600>>77085686i wish my Garmin app tracked HRV just shows my resting and avg high over the past year. which is cool to see my resting during off cycle time low then during cycle very high lmao
>>7708568675-100
>>77085603Please stop as the thread is about steroids, not about your heart.
>>77086146I'm on steroids
>>77086170So talk about it, not about how fit your cardiac system is.
>>77086089I use a garmin so maybe your device just doesn't support it? I think higher test (and/or E2) might be the cause of the lower HRV. Tadalafil has done nothing to RHR or HRV.>>77086143Interesting, that's higher than my RHR. Not by a ton though. Mine also increases up to 75 when I'm bulking too.>>77086307These things are all related, the only thing is we're in a group that is probably less concern with long term health lol
>>77086361is it the Garmin Connect app or your watch that shows it? Mine is older model Instinct but I haven't looked at everything just GPS and heart BPM mainly
So is masteron still hard to source?
>>77086497Both. IIRC you need to add it to the list of things the app or the watch will show. If it doesn't show up as something you can add then it probably doesn't have the feature. I think it was one of the newer and last features added to most smart watch brands a couple of years ago.
>>77086655Mine must not have it I don't see it but I see my sleep updated finally and let's just say it could be better.
>>77086711They pushed an app update that bricked synching for a little bit. I've found as time has gone on sleep trackers have gotten less and less accurate. I had a fitbit years ago that could accurately detect sleep and naps. They only recently added nap support for Garmin and it never detects my short 20 min naps. When I wake up in the morning it's started counting me trying to fall back asleep as a quick wake up and then a bunch of REM. So my sleep often looks better than it is (shit as well). Enclo definitely fucked my sleep up for a while too, so that's not helping.
>>77086830I mean I have bad sleep prior to gear so with Tren introduced everything kind of lines up accuracy wise with timeline.
Sometimes I forget that I'm not talking to you guys and accidentally use my /fit/ talk with the girls then realize what I did
>>77086903>girl>discordsure bud
>>77086903Girls like it when you treat them like one of the bros or something
>>77083030MAID as in the Canadian medically assisted suicide program?
Cruising on 200 test and 200 primo a week—been months nowIs this insane?
Anyone have hints for internationally shipped meds? I want to find an ACE inhibitor and statin if my cardio checkup goes badly.
>>77086593I would say yes
>>77087091No, but MAYBE you know what blood tests and scanning here and there mean
>>77087092sky pharmacy biz has been good for me. not the cheapest, but not the most expensive either. lots of other indian pharmacies out there. avoid jeet mart.... lots of scammy fucks there. scammy as in they'll definitely mail you something, but who knows what it is. ugl's often sell these things too, so you can search the usual bb forums for reviews for good ones
>>77087091I’ve been on 500mg/wk test for 6 months straight with a few dabbles of orals and Tren for a few weeks (8) going forever and will NEVER run bloods or scans.
If I'm blasting and cruising and want to keep my balls from being permanently atrophied should I periodically do hcg and hmg to get them working for a bit or should I run it constantly? Or should I only use it if I need to come off completely for a bit
>>77087332Ok zoomer.
>>77087339>want to keep my balls from being permanently atrophiedThey already are. Even one single steroid cycle without hcg lowers the amount of the leydig cells in the balls>should I periodically do hcgYes
>>77087332You will die from cardiac arrest and parents will know your pc was full of tranny porn
More than two weeks ago I posted how right before starting a cycle I strained a muscleI thought it was the trap. Now I think I actually strained several muscles. Because my trap feels alright now, but I still have pain in some of the neck muscles (something deep inside and on the side, can't even tell which one, probably one of the small stabilizing ones)I wasn't working out for this whole time (because I already made a mistake and worked out several times after the pain first appeared and I only made it worse). I don't want to hop on gear right after I finally feel fine because I need to start slow and light to not injure myself again.Fuck, it fucking sucks so much. I wanted to start in Feb, but now I will probably start somewhere in March
How many 5-6 week 40mg var cycles can I safely run a year? I did 2 last year. I'm on trt long term 115mg/week, only done one blast in my life (500 test last year) and I don't plan on upping my t dose ever again.
Anyone else get poor sleep from MENT?I'm on 15mg ED lmao and its already giving me insomnia.A little ment or tren and I go bonkers from bad sleep but I can take enough deca to kill a horse and sleep like a babby
>>77083708I might dabble again this winter but I'll taper up from 1iu instead of 2iu off the bat. Honestly, my reaction freaked me out, the insomnia was the icing on the cake. >>77084840Being jacked gets you so much preferential treatment in everything you do in life. I can never go back now.>>77085425What's your diet and electrolyte intake look like? I did 3 weeks and it hit me so hard and fast I had to bail.>>77086593>TFW when you have over a hundred bottles of mastFeels good. Yes, it's hard asf to find.
Do you guys think Clav is microdosing synthol? His muscles aren't all that big, but I refuse to believe they're real after seeing him struggle to 3rep 1pl8.Normally I wouldn't accuse someone of that size of being on gear because he's not big enough, but he's already admittedly on TRT, smashes his bones, does makeup tutorials, and likely got lipo on his face.What do you guys think he does to have at least some muscle while being so weak?
>>77088270>His muscles aren't all that bigI saw a clip of him saying he hadn't lifted in 3 weeks. Retard could have an amazing physique if he weren't such a lazy cunt. and lmao at him for being less athletic than the average female high school varsity athlete.https://x.com/Clav0Updates/status/2007504625596064159
>>77088301That clip is brutal. Zoomers are absolutely cooked. 135 bench, can't do basic sports, makeup tutorials. Imagine showing your boomer dad in the 80s this and telling him in the future kids won't look up to Stallone or Arnie but will watch that guy put on makeup.
>>77084725Does it work for cutting too?T. Fat fuck
What's a good simple pct for a 16 week test e 400mg/wk? I have 20mg and 10mg nolvadex tabs.
>>77088363Let’s be honest he has a massive doses of any steroid won’t do shit if you aren’t already locked in, and I hear that a lot and say it because I can’t think of any other way to describe being so in the zone of improving your physique by doing the absolute min/max muscle fatigue constant tension nutrition cardio etc. gains. You will gain more muscle by being sloppy and working out sometimes casually than you would natty doing sloppy stuff, but just because someone is blasting 750g of test doesn’t mean in 1 year they will look like arnold and bench 600lbs. It just means he is trying to overcompensate for not prioritizing his lifting by taking more supplements which he is failing at achieving that jacked veiny steroid look people get.
>>77088441Basically spot on, larger amounts of gear does work; but to reap the benefits you have to be on point with training and recovery. I'll also say having sold gear, alot of guys just run test and expect the same results of guys running 4+ compounds. People think Test will give them that dry lean physique when it's actually multiple compounds and a locked in diet. I blame influencers pimping out TRT clinics, I hear that TRT ads on the fucking radio when I'm clicking to switch to my bluetooth connection.
>>77087803It's always related to your exams. If you're healthy it's a go.Why never again blasting testo? Just curious
>>77088417I'd say yes, but I take mk677 alsoI cut like 40lbs in the last year by hopping on cardarine when cycling off mk315 to 275I'm back up to 285 but I'd say overall rad140 can suppress appetite
>>77088363I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say strength on bench press is irrelevant to 99% of people if you just want to look goodReps is fine
>>77088634>mk 677 while cuttingDoesnt it make you eat more
>>77088662I stopped cutting because my lifts were starting to be total dogshitBut I'm just using that as an exampleI have a broscience theory that your body has natural bulking and cutting phases like if you have a ton of energy to lift you should start bulking and if you're feeling tired you'll naturally fall into a cut if you have nothing to do sitting at home all day or something
>fourth account got banned on mesoThe boomerocracy we must suffer under... 4chan should be boomer and better, but the average IQ here is 90
>>77088675If you have a lot of bodyfat you can cut and gain muscle thanks to stored energy, just have to eat adequate protein and keep the caloric deficit low Which is why I’m starting TRT despite being a fat fuck. Cant wait until I lose 100 lbs just for gains.
Pinned 200mg test E a few days ago but still feel like shit. How long until it kicks in?
>>77088687Weeks
>>77088684Sure, I agree make sure you've got an ai readyI chose sarms because no aromatase and I was scared about suppression at first but don't really care about that anymore because I don't see myself coming off anytime soonIt's all easier said than done of course, just go on a huge deficit, when you work as a driver on the clock 55 hours a week, a mcchicken can be the difference between me falling asleep at the wheel or not
>>77088625Really happy with my physique. Lifted seriously natty for 7 years and reached my limit. Just want to be 8% body fat with a decent amount of muscle, so no real need for another blast and all the sides that come with it.
>>77088687Yeah like 2/3 weeks before you notice little things then 6/7 weeks for you to fully be like "oh yeah I am on steroids for sure".>>77088833I should cut to lean but I like being meaty and not looking like I do cardio.
>>77088978Assuming you lift to look good, low bodyfat percentage is the way to go. Better physique and more importantly more attractive face. After only 1 blast and 2 weak var cycles I'm almost fitness model tier and people regularly comment on my physique, although I've been lifting a while, have good genes, and my diet is very clean.
>>77088978How long can I cycle before I end up permanently infertile ? Thinking of cruising for awhile then cycling for 10 weeks then switching back to enclo so my balls work again.
I’m on 1g test, 600mg primo 600mg eq + 50mg anavar, 40mg tbol, 25mg proviron daily. Really underwhelming desu, only sides is a bit of shedding and occasionally shortness of breath. If it wasn’t for the anavar vascularity I wouldn’t even feel like I was on anything. Been on this for 16 weeks, just using what I got left now. Think I’m gonna do tren next time, cheaper and I can do lower doses if it’s really as potent as everyone makes it out to be. You guys think it’s better to do high test low tren or the other way round since the tren will be doing most of the work anyway?
>>77088980Some peoples versions of "look good" is different see fat people who think they look good or anorexic women, buccal fat, etc. I like a good muscular frame without strong definition like 8% lean, I think I look best with about 13/18% when you can see i workout but am not obsessive about it (even though I am). I will probably cut down to that just to see myself that way once more if I even enjoy it enough to commit to leanness. I love food too much to cut i want to eat the slop.>>77089048Fertility is a meme you will just lose a few swimmers you won't be at 0 ever. 10 weeks cycle is a waste of a cycle and better off just TRTing for the entire time if you are going to be a pussy about it.
>>77089154Long term: High test low tren (75:25) Short term: High test High tren (60/40)
>>77089162What do you class as long term? I’m still a pct cuck since I have no issues so far recovering my natural test which is usually upper end of reference range anyway and not keen to be on trt for life because of blast/cruise. I usually do 12 - 16 week cycles.
>>77089192I meant for the tren, if you want to run it for the 10 weeks people reccommend that is short term, but if you want to run it say 16 weeks or more than 12 really then the low dose is better for your organs (kind of).
>>77089159Yeah I get what you’re saying, everyone’s version of looking good is different, and body/face dysmorphia and eating disorders are definitely real, many people genuinely don’t see themselves accurately. But if we’re talking majority opinion, not niche preferences, the average guy’s face usually looks best somewhere around like 6–10% body fat. Go way leaner and dudes start looking stressed or flat. Higher and the face just softens up. For women it’s usually a bit higher, like upper teens/low 20s.Obviously genetics matter a ton. Some guys look great at 15%, some look mid at 8%. But all else equal, leaning out a bit almost always improves facial aesthetics for most dudes. The reason I love trt is I can pack on/retain muscle (which all else equal results in a more attractive face) while staying lean year round.
>>77088691Any way to reduce feeling like shit the first 2 weeks ?
>>77082408Wherw do you even get steroids? I dont know if this is an illegal question or not plz dont ban me if so.
>>77084204Pathetic
>>77084705It's honestly insane lol. Seeing so many dweebs on here theory crafting about what stack to take, when they are really just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks..
>>77084725>No downsides really Pure moronic cope
>>77088833>I reached my limitYou people always say this and it's quite literally never true. You were assuredly dyel and looked like dogshit, which is why you turned to steroids.
>>77089294eroids is a great steroid review site but they don't sell roids
>>77089337yeah I only want to put in half the effort to look like I workout so I do steroidsDONT CAAARE
>>77089491Pathetic and cringe
>>77089319K bud, you get all that asspain out or are you still mad
>>77089510There is literally no shame in working smarter not harder as long as you aren't experiencing negative sides
>>77088421You have the answer on the steroid wiki on redditRead it
>>77088634You fat idiost should stop thinking about mk677, it won't help you cut
>>77089282Oral steroids
>>77082408I saw people in recent thread reported DNP usage. Is it still can be found for sale, or you have to make your own from chinese bulk sellers?
>>77089702You aren't working smarter lol. You're lazy and you haven't even experienced the downsides yet
>>77090597I've been on ac262 and enclomiphene for like 5 months atleast and rad140 for a month, no breaksI feel fineYou're just a butthurt queer
>>77089901As previously stated I stopped cutting, but I'm down like 4lbs in the last week, so whatever fuckface281 this morning
>>77090797Lol, I don't even know what that pharmaslop is. I just lift and get big without being a slave to chemicals. I'm likely significantly better looking than you even with your SpongeBob blowup muscle body kek.
>>77090808I don't think anyone asked your opinion beta, but I have genetic gifts bone structure wise that I'm quite confident you don't haveYou're not willing to take a "risk" so I'll always win in the end
>>77090821Post your body and your genetic gifts kek
>>77090853You first big guy
>>77090859Thanks for confirming everything I assumed about you hahahahaha
>>77090862K beta will never take a risk and never get big, honestly you should get banned for off topic trolling
>>77090875Again, thanks for confirming. Imagine talking all that shit about how good you look and your superior genetics and you're too afraid to even post body in an anonymous thread. Absolutely pathetic lmfao. All roidtrannys are the definition of insecurity
>>77090880HuhYes my genetics are superior, but I've only been back in the gym a year and a half, after about 6 years totally sedentaryI've posted pics here before and I'm overweight but I'm genetically gifted in shoulder width and at 5'9" most of my bone measurements are top 1 percentileI never said I looked great, just that overtime I easily surpass betas like you, my arms are already 19 inches and I'm not even on test yet
>>77090902>Im overweight Ohh ok hahaha. You look like dogshit which is why you won't post. You'd instantly be mogged LOL. Many such cases!
>>77090902You're the fat armed guy I remember you! LMAOOOOO. ROIDING FOR THIS HAHAHHAHA
>>77090907I've posted many times before, might again after the gym today, are you going to get sexual gratification out of this?Because you're a fag
>>77090911>>77090910This is you LMAOOOO
>>77090910Remember that these are the people talking shit on /fit/ about your fizeek
>>77090910I keep improving but you can seethe all you want, my baseline 8 years not touching a barbell is more muscle than you'll have in your entire lifeI was only on 10mg ac262 and 12.5 mg enclo for that pic maybe 8 months back in the gym and only 2 months into doing curls for the first time in my lifeLiterally more muscle than you will ever have in your entire life
>>77090943Jesus you're embarrassing
>>77090950There is nothing embarrassing about being superior
>>77090964Only thing you're superior in is being obese. It takes a lot to become a lolcow and you did it in record time. Every time you post you get made fun of kek
>>77091007Keep seething bitch, I know we'll never get a 19 inch arm pic from you but I'll probs be at 20 and down to 250lbs by the end of this year and I'm not going anywhereOver time I win because I'm superior
>>77091014>Roiding for this
>>77091029My shoulder is literally the size of your peahead
>>77091045Fatty kek
Whats the best way to manage high Oestradiol during Enclomiphene cycle?
>>77091078Yea my cock is fat what of itWhat type of retard misspells cock
Are all 250lbs+ people just heavy breathing and feel sluggish all the time or am I supposed to do cardio?
>>77091079since you're probably not going to take an ai, try Diindolylmethane and Calcium-D-Glucarate>>77091086more weight puts more stress on your body. doesn't matter if you're 250lbs of fat, or 250lbs of muscle. also weight lifting != cardio. you still need to do it to keep your heart healthy
>>77088652Define look good?Being born with a good face and being lean? Yea you don't even need to lift if that's the criteria.Strength helps with muscle building though, they go hand in hand.
>>77091093Imo people put way too much emphasis on weight over reps especially on fit
>>77091100I think people put too much emphasis on weight period. Heavier doesn’t equal bigger muscles if I see one more coworker ego lift by swinging dumbells or momentum pushing off their chest then brag about their max I am going to lose it. I LIFT LESS WITH BETTER FORM AND LOOK BIGGER YOU CHEATING FUCKS.
>>77091128This is everyone. Everybody that brags about their 1rm is ego lifting that I've seen. Some shit with pullups. They'll say they can hit 25 pullups and then you see them monkey bar swinging.
>>77083030is terminal acne real?you mean scars?
>>77091091Yea I mean is there a specific weight in which you will always feel like shit no matter how good your cardio is because you're just so damn heavy? I like the idea of being huge but I don't think I like the feeling
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>>77091239
>>77091144i see so much of this at the cheap-o normie gym i go to. so much entertainment, and at no extra cost! love it
>>77091169if i had to guess, i'd say over 230lbs. i'm basing this off of nothing. lol
>>77091239and yet there are so many people bitching about tranny charging more if you don't pay with a stablecoin>>77091251like monero isn't going to shit the bed along with everything else
>>77091346It would be funny if those same people weren't so retarded that they think they are better than you
>>77091397that's the ego, which is sad because they don't understand why they workout so much yet don't improve. Curious...
>>77091080Lmao
I've heard of decadick but why have I not heard of trendick? Since decadick is caused from prolactin issues and those can happen with tren too, shouldn't tren also cause dick issues or does it not?
>>77091401Literally more muscle than you will ever have on a 6 month old photo beta bitch On like less than 100mg test equivalent
>>77091774Post full body oh gigafatroidchan
>>77091613I have more morning wood than on just Test while running Tren, I sleep 3 hours, wake up hard and jerk off, sleep another 3 hours, wake up hard jerk off, then start my day. I do run Viagra on arm days and if the woman comes over and I might get lucky though.
>>77091793Meh it's not a finished product but my shape and comp has improved significantly since that photo
>>77091865Go ahead and show it shrek
>>77091861Been on test for like a week and no morning wood at all. Did I spike my estrogen ?
>>77091793>>77091886You know what I'm feeling generous
>>77091906Hahahaha fuck man. Thanks for the laughs
>>77091909No prob basically have a vtaper at 5'9" 280 which you would never even get moderately close to lol
>>77091912>Basically have a vtaperHAHAHA fucking delusional
>>77091922Literally just geometry bro
>>77091923>>77091906Assuredly you're just trolling
>>77091932Trolling about what, I'm so genetically gifted that while being obese I can still maintain a taper at 5'9" 284lbs as of this momentYou would look like a fucking bitch hipped pear shaped cock smoker but I just was made better
>>77088236The diet was fine and clean. Electrolyte intake I supplemented with potassium and magnesium. Dietary salt was enough. My body just needed to adjust up for that amount of HGH. Curiously now that I did the slow ramp up, I don't have the edema issues when rambling anymore.
>>77091940Look at that gunt lmao.
>>77091903No, I didn't really get morning wood until 400mg/wk on week 4ish with Enanthate.
>>77092069About as long as it takes for full saturation, fuck anon guess I really am doomed to feeling like shit for a month
>>77090578I managed to find it in a couple of cleanet places, but they have since run out and or completely stopped selling it.
>>77092092If you feel like shit it could be a million reasons not just starting TRT, which is probably NOT what it is anyways
>>77091981More muscle than you and lost 40lbs in a year not bothered about it
>>77092375why not just do reta or tirz atp
>>77092398That fat retard is scared of needles
>>77092409I mean so am I kind of, I basically have a panic attack everytime I pin. My heart rate hit 137 and I was sweating streams lol.
>>77090578Nobody is taking this shit when reta and tirz exists retard
>>77092398I have ogliforpron but I threw up 4 times in a day and felt like shit on it, literally couldn't keep down any food>>77092409It's just annoying to manage I did a trt cycle off the darknet 10 years ago but needles are just another annoying thing to manageWhy does your faggot ass like to put words in my mouth, small dick?
>omg guyzz i basically have a v taper!
>>77092461Guy with half my shoulder width lol, good one beta
>>77092552that's not the point im trying to make lol. thanks for revealing youre an angry fucker
>>77092556I literally have a vtaper at 285lbs 5'9"You are mad that I'm as genetically gifted as I said I was, you are not
>>77092564you're a coping fatass
>>77088695>Americans>I need a mcchicken otherwise I'll sleep driving my semiLmao don't do that Anon. Just make before some sandwiches you lazy bastard
>>77091613Both are 19nor steroidsBoth induce dementiaBoth are neurotoxicThat said I never used tren, and thought nandrolone is meh
>>77092612>t. pussy
>>77088695if you aren't Ephedrine maxing on hour 4 of a drive before heading back to the dock then you got soft hands bubba
>>77082408I’m gonna start my cut on Sunday. I plan on going balls to the wall for two straight months, cardio in the morning, lifting in the evening, really trying to maximize everything. I got Anavar, 25mg for 60 days, and I’m on TRT 200mg twice weekly. Overseen by a doctor. >how much milk thistle and Tudca should I be taking daily? >what should I also be doing to really shred down and maybe even grow?
>>77093039>25mg for 60 daysIt's generally not recommended to take orals for more than 6 weeks. But you do you, it's not like it will kill you>TRT 200mg twice weekly400mg a week? That's not trt. Or 100mg twice for 200mg total?>Tudca500-1000mg a day with food for the whole duration of the oral>what should I also be doing to really shred down and maybe even growPinning more test. Maybe some tren too
>>77092593I drive a school bus>>77092713I basically megadose diet coke, my work isn't that demanding 55 hours a week school bus>>77092587Not a single cope was had
>>77093241You're disgusting to look at. You actually look like a troll
>>77093276You aren't my target demographic, women fantasize about being raped by fantasy characters like every 2 seconds
Can't deny the definition or taper at 285lbs 5'9" though
>>77093276This. Why jannies don't just ban this retard
>>77093405Faggot ass beta males like you were begging for me to post a pic so I didSeething hard
>>77091613so i ran 1.5g test and 1g deca, and had no problems. currently cruising on 160mg test and 300mg tren, and my prolactin isn high as fuck and i absolutely can not cum
>>77092419How those GLP drugs are even related to DNP? It's like comparing anavar to test. Both can be used in the gym, but have absolutely different effects.With DNP, your fat just melts away daily. With GLP drugs you just have less appetite and a shit ton of side effects
>>77093501I get cardio issues on tren that make it hard for me to bust. I had to up my LISS
>>77093564ah i should try more cardio then. couldnt hurt. thanks!
>>77093158Tren not really preferential for cutting, it shined for me around 10-15% but I digress I am not Rich Piana>>77093241That’s fair I know bus drivers who love their job and have a good family and life brother God bless>>77093570Womp womp cardio womp tren womp womp could be doing more leg press womp or focus on womp controlled womp reps womp
>>77093830i dont lift heavy. i always do tempo'd reps. i do avoid most all legs though (except calves. can never do too much calves), 'cause i already got tumor quads. leg press couldnt hurt though.... maybe load up 400, and do a six second eccentric on each rep?
>>77088634Wtf are you doing taking Mk when you're already gigafat. If youre 275lb and even remotely lean your big enough to know mk is marginal. Fatties really overcomplicate shit, just run TRT and ur pick of a glp1, hell have the Cardarine too, why not. >>77088687Enanthate ester steroids peak in the blood within 48 hours. Test simply is something you dont really "feel". Noticeable gains should start appearing within week 2, strength gains maybe sooner. If you want to "feel" a steroid, take tren. >>77089154Primo is overpriced bullshit. Litteraly shilled by sunk cost boomers. U running proviron makes me wonder how knowledge u are tho, proviron has 0 anabolic effect and ur taking a low dose... what do you think its doing? >>77089221Tren is no more harmful than any other injectable on bloods. Maybe matginal more toxic on the liver, but still a drop in the bucket compared to any oral. What fucks people on Tren is them not being able to hande the mental androgenicity. Maybe tren sweats too but ive never experienced that even when I pinned 600mg tren E for a week. >>77089294Lurk steroid forums, its dead easy. /fraud/ is dogshit compared to those for learning. But I cant get banned from fraud sp eh...>>77090578Dont buy from China, they fake the pills with Vitamin B. Ive got a guy, but it seems you can get raw dnp powder from just clearnet chemical sites lol. I pay the premium for caps cuz I dont have to worry aboht dosing and filling jr own caps is a bitch because DNP powder will brutally stain anything it touches.>>77091613Because people are retarded and try to group things that have no need to be grouped.>uh they both 19nor thoYes rhey have the same parent compound and are both partial progestins, thats theyre only relation beyond being androgens. Chemistry isnt as simple as these retards say it is.>>77092419>comparing glp1 agonist to mitochondrial uncouplers Theyre just completely different drug classes, youre clueless.
>>77093923Glp1s make me feel sick and throw up 4x a dayGh is a performance enhancer, more muscle is more calories burnt, I can recomp and cut intermittently
>>77093972>Glp1s make me feel sick and throw up 4x a dayThats the drug telling you to stop eating so much, fatass>Gh is a performance enhancer, more muscle is more calories burnt, I can recomp and cut intermittentlyYeah, if you say so. Your posts are starting to make much more sense.
>>77094009Took the standard dose of ogliforpron, threw up 4 times and couldn't keep down a single calorie for 24 hours, shit tierI'm not going to lose muscle mass, I'm naturally recompingNot in it for the short term
>>77091955How long did it you take you to flush out the GH? Almost two weeks from my last injection and i'm still soaking up salt like a sponge. It 100% was the GH.
>>77093923>Ive got a guy, but it seems you can get raw dnp powder from just clearnet chemical sites lol. I pay the premium for caps cuz I dont have to worry aboht dosing and filling jr own caps is a bitch because DNP powder will brutally stain anything it touches.Totally get it. Was buying mine 10 years ago from two guys, one in US and one in UK, but they're long gone. I've searched everywhere, from regular sources to shady .tor forums, found fucking nothing. Apparently it's easier to buy a kid from Cambodia than capped DNP. Is your source private or he sells to public? Dunno the current rules for source talk, but I'm up for posting a throw-away email in case you're willing to share.
>>77094019You know you can take a lower dose? You eating even just 200 less calories will do much more for your fat loss (and you need it) compared to any amount of GH you take. GH is a lipolysis agent, it doesnt actually burn fat, and you already have 3x circulating free fatty acids a normal person has.True fat burners, as in they will independently raise metabolic rate, are T3, DNP, and Clen
>>77093914Up to you honestly I cardio maybe once a week and thats just a mile walk to get snacks at the gas station. I do have a standing/walking job so I guess that counts but I do more lifting at work than walking. >>77093914God I love Tren so much I want to perma run about 200mg a week for as long as I live.
>>77094052nta, PP has it, and it's cheap too. Not sure why you want it that much desu.>>77094079>God I love Tren so muchI'm two weeks off from running it all almost 10 months straight and i'm itching so bad to hop back on.
>>77094109Sorry dude, I'm not a regular at /fraud/ threads, so no idea who that PP guy is. But really appreciate you willing to helpI really need it cause I got way to fat over the winter and need to shred as quickly as possible, and my previous results from 750mg cycles were almost magical. So no sense trying something else with nastier sides
>>77094061I'm on t3, cardarine and 5 amino
>>77094079i do liss five days a week, buuuuuut i'm sure i need to be doing more. i'll figure something out. also gonna see how long i can run it for this time. got 72g left, so fingers crossed i can outlast the raws shortage
>>77094123>no sense trying something else with nastier sides
>>77094304is this what long term roid usage does to you?! fuck that. i'm quitting
>>77083030Ask for antibiotics, you probably have a skin infection. Alternately ivermectin. Prepare for diarrhea. Could also do electrolysis hair removal for affected area, very expensive.Bathing in a shitload of Epsom salts daily after exfoliating acne can help.Consume collagen to reduce scarring, will take years.
>>77093555To be clear, I'm not suggesting they're related drugs. People take them both for weight loss. DNP was more common decades ago, everyone moved on to GLPs since they are better and less sketchy.
Any advice for a newbie cycle that will allow me to pack on mass without ruining my soft effeminate skin (male) or turn me into a bloated roid goblin ?
Where do you guys buy your roids ?
>>77094814Are you lean? Do you just want to gain weight or lean muscle? What is your height/weight/BF%? Goal and time frame? Do you already workout? Are you consistent with gym sessions, rest days, nutrition, water, supplements? There is no one-size-fits-all everyone has different goals, but generally a basic Testosterone foundation is good for strength, confidence, many orals can be for bulking many peptides many injectables, or you can just eat a fuck ton.>>77094840Online
BP was 140/90, thats 10 less systolic than running pure Test E 400mg/wk on Test + Tren + Var so that means I am good to continue another 4 months of blast.
>>77094509GLP is okay if you an obese normie who needs a crutch for life. I don't really see how they're useful for bodybuilding, where you HAVE TO eat a lot of nutritious food
>>77095007It's relatively easy to eat thru a glp1 unless you are at a max dose and even then fatties find a wayMore related to fraud, evidence is starting to circulate that a glp1, usually reta, negates things like LVH that long term steroid use causes. It improves cardio markers like cholesterol levels and blood pressure too.The appetite suppression and GI slowing is for normies, the other effects benefit roiders pretty well though. So sema and tirz are probably not optimal but reta at the proper dose and maybe even taken with appetite enhancers like EQ could become a stack staple for eliminating negative sides.
>>77094934I like how you think anon lmao>>77095734Reta is really just an amazing drug in general. The appetite suppression isn't extreme like the other GLPs (so i've heard) but if you time the meals correctly it's an amazing for a cut and like you said improves all other markers as well.
>>77093439No, I'm not gay like you to spam all threads with pics and bs. You're a troll.
>>77095773i just want an excuse to continue my current cycle longer, and the science don’t lie bubba if anything I am getting healthier.
>>77082408i waited too long to donate blood and my red blood cell count is 20.1, but the clinics seem to max out at 20what do lol
>>77094304Biohacked autismo rational kitchen sink has begun. >400 -800mg dnp>40-80mcg clen> 40mcg T3> 10-20mg Cardarine>1 hour LISS cardio daily >6mg reta>1mg sema>1mg Cagri> caffeine and Yohimine as needed Starting weight 201lb maybe 18% bf goal is 180lb and reasses if satisfied.Should be a 2-3wk journey at most.Its crazy how quick the DNP clears water/glycogen too.Yesterday ate a huge meal after my workout, then took dnp to "start the cut" and woke up 5lbs lighter. Meaning that wasn't even muscular glycogen as I didnt work out in the interim. With gear especially the carb/water weight drops are massive. Last time I did this I dropped like 13lbs within a couple days.Yes, im taking the "easy way". Cry about it retards. >BRO YOURE TAKING DNPOnly kills retards.
Been blasting and cruising for 2 years now, doing 300mg test and 200mg primo a week for recomp. Got shredded from it and now doing a slight bulk... how often do you guys take a week off or so? Feeling pretty sore and what not, and have been hitting PPL for like 4 months straight of consistent 4-6 days a week.Thoughts? How much do deloads seem to help and how often?
Boys I am on a lean bulk right now at 6'4 205... I am absolutely shredded and getting pretty big, but I don't do cardio really, and I am finding that I am out of fucking breath during sex and long conversations (I am a CEO and do long enterprise sales pitches for like an hour straight)... Never had this issue before. Is it just purely the lack of cardio being the issue? I'm big but obviously not a mass monster at my size. It's fucking annoying and I hate cardio lol
>>77094887>onlineYes but where? How do I know which sites are legit?
>>77094304YEAH ITS MISS LADY BABYKINDA GANGSTA KINDA CRAZY
>>77096007If you can't find it by yourself you're not ready yet anon
>>77095783Not spam, my human body holds more muscle mass than yours
>>77096007try www dot imastupidasskidwhodoesntknowwhathesdoing dot com>>77096026based and truthpilled but some troll is going to call you a "gatekeeper"
>>77096052>>77096037You are both gatekeepers. Why is it so hard to just tell me a legitimate website so that I don’t get scammed some Indian poo in the loo? Just because I’m not terminally online anymore or have time to search the internet you guys don’t want to help. You’re both crabs in a bucket.
>>77096062I was able to pull up what I needed via google on the FIRST FUCKING RESULT PAGE with a very rudimentary search query without the use of any proper nouns.You are unironically unintelligent, uninformed and legitimately need a licensed doctor to hold your retarded hand through getting your test/hcg/cialis.You taking any other "steroids" you can't get prescribed form a licensed provider would result in you killing yourself by accident regardless.
>>77095999I was wondering the same thing, is Primo really as good as everyone says it is? I am running Tren + Test + Var and if I can consolidate it to something better I might. BUT I digress, I injured my left trap and it is being a fucking BITCH doing anything, might take a week off or two depending how I feel because I cannot push heavy and if I can heal faster I'd rather just not even do high reps low weights.>>77096062USA? EU? DOMESTIC? INTERNATIONAL? LOTS OF DIFFERENT SITES BASED ON THIS. CHECK E R O I D S
>>77095993That's alot to not even get into single body fat. What anabolics are you using to keep to keep muscle tissue; and yea, if you are just using LMAO Test and not tren for a ridiculous fast cut like that you're retarded. Test alone can't stop that catabolism.>>77095999checked, depends on sleep levels honestly, if I'm going full blown insomnia because of training i'll take a couple weeks off. Only happens like once a year tho roughly.Also up the dosages faggot>>77095924bro, I made the mistake of waiting to donate while I waiting for this growth hormone to flush out. My bp spiked to 160/120 just from being stressed out. Bitch looked at me like I was gonna die lol
>>77096097Based tren and var lover. You should add mast on top bro.>should I do primoFuck no, not only is it expensive, it's about as powerful as test (test is weak lol) so really it's just a very effective AI. I wouldn't bother desu.
>>77096108I am more worried about hair loss on Mast than Primo my hair is all I have going for me besides muscles.
>>77096062The problem is that there's a rule there about no source talk. That said people tend to avoid answering questions like yours because it shows you lack the mere basic iq and/or energy to find out by yourself, let alone understand and research all different aspects that you need to know once you start steroids.It's not gatekeeping.
Look >>77096097>>77096062>>77096120
>>77095007>>77095734>It's relatively easy to eat thru a glp1 unless you are at a max dose and even then fatties find a way100% this. On a low dose you still have the ability to eat through it. On a low dose I still find myself losing interest in snacks halfway through, and still get cravings and impulses. I can control them because I can diet like a normal person, unlike fatties. If I eat enough to get myself full, the slowed gastric emptying is actually not pleasant, so it discourages large meals. It keeps me full off of large meals for way longer though.If you're on a cut it will reduce how bad it sucks big time. Reta is supposed to also spare muscle better when cutting. In conclusion, there are a ton of benefits to bodybuilders and is a top drug for bodybuilding that isn't for messing with hormones.>>77095993This honestly seems like you're taking way too much shit to cut, but that's up to you and doing it the easy way is based. I wouldn't really think about body water at all until you're getting into single digit bodyfat and trying to look shredded. Water comes and goes, and you'll soak it all back up once you stop taking all that stuff.>>77096120Yeah not sharing sources isn't gatekeeping people from doing cycles. It's gatekeeping your source, but nobody wants to post all about their source online and get it shutdown. Nobody here is gatekeeping you from doing a cycle, that's literally the point of this general.
>>77096122I don't care about gatekeeping, if no one told me about discussion sites for roids I never would have got into them because of how easy it was after finding out a rating website for them. It's also not source talk its a ratings website.
>>77096108yeah primo doesn't do anything. thats why its 250 usd a pop and sells out in days.absolute poorcope.
I'm 290lbs 6'3 powershitter, can I get down to 220lbs with Reta, TRT and HGHI've been on Test and Deca for a few months and dirty bulking like a motherfucker
>>77096110Some people say primo is worse than mast. Ymmv, I have the same hairline since I was 19. It hasnt moved an inch and pretty much use mast all year while my brothers are losing their hair like crazy. Genetics.>>77096165>muh richfag copeI regrettably have about 38 bottles of primo 200. The great thing about primo is the lack of side effects, the terrible thing about it is its as weak as test and 10 times the price.I dont like it because I can just pop an aromasin instead of having to pin an extra 2ml a week. Pip on primo is a bitch usually too.
Where do I get Bacteriostatic Water from?Can I trust random peptide websites like this one?
>>77096133 Kys dumb animal
>>77096222Yeah. Or GPZlabs
>>77096166>>77095993Some was water weight from a previous blast but trt, reta and hgh is cheat mode and "all you need" as the boomers say
>>77095924you can buy the shit online. just bleed yourself into a tub
>>77096426Hgh aint anti catabolic enough for that much weight loss. Unless you were turbo fat at 230, which fair enough.
Gordon Ryan just retired. I don't feel so good bros.
>>77096062It would take you mere moments to find a site that reviews snd vets sources.
>>77096431Why do people do that? Hematocrit? I don't want to donate blood because I hate sick people and I don't want them to get my blood, but I also don't want to pop like a tomato.
>>77096487He lost 50 lbs bro, he was turbo fat lmao
>>77096098All my doses are moderate, cheap, and each drug is doing something unique to enhance the process. Simple retards should stick to the test deca boomer favorites. More effort to pin some do nothing "safe" mitochondrial methylene blue bullshit.>BRO CATBOLICNews flash retard, the body doesn't actually like to catabolize skeletal muscle. In only really does so to maintain blood sugar and/or with chronic weight loss and there being no signal to maintain it. You think ur ape ancestors just died if they got unlucky for a few days? Tren is in regardless. >>77096129>. I wouldn't really think about body water at all until you're getting into single digit bodyfat and trying to look shredded. Water comes and goes, and you'll soak it all back up once you stop taking all that stuff.Where did i say anytbing about water obscuring rhe look? I was just making note of how fast "weifht loss" can appear with gear. Dont reply to me if youre retarded. My post is for others.>>77096426You dont need any drug to cut. If someone thinks I lack disicipline for it, I Don't care for the peasant intuitions. Its like some backward state bemoaning rise of the firearm taking away the novility of war, and then he gets his leg blown away by some peasant you got trained how to use a musket within 2 weeks.
You guys ever just throw in a 50mg anadrol every once in awhile as PWO? Feel fuckin massive after
>>77096098>Also up the dosages faggot300mg test and 200mg primo recomp is kino anon... I've blasted once, then cruised for almost a year, and been recomping for 4 months now. At 6'4 205lbs, and my first pin being under 2 years ago, it's hard to want to push it anymore. I feel incredible and frauding was life changing.
>>77096716Yes, and its how you should use orals besides maybe Var or Winstrol where your chasing the unique look they give. Adrol isnt even liver toxic. Ran adrol this whole week 50mg PWO and got liver enzymes checked, only AST was slightly elevated, and that can be mostly attributed to training 2 hours a day. Sdrol does raise my values moderately tho, bur again just pulse it and theres no issue.
>>77096615yeah. roidin can cause it to spike. over 56% starts gettin to the danger zone. usually just staying hydrated and doin cardio is plenty. if you're doin a big boy blast though, shit can get wild. especially if you're eating a lot of red meat, and/or taking supplemental iron. the extra iron causes higher htc too. but it's like.... six weeks or somethin for your body to replace the blood, but you can only donate four times a year unless a doc prescribes it, so people will just diy into the sink or whatever. let into a measuring cup, if you're want to keep an eye on volume
>>77095993ily <3
>>77096737you look like one of those dudes with the fucked up skinny legs that have to get around on crutches
>>77096336How do you trust it? That you're getting what they say you are?
>>77096737Did you photoshop your legs to look a spaghetti? What kind of disgusting legs are that? Great torso, but you completely turned it garbage because your legs are... Uh... *throws up*
>>77096431i see some 21ga butterfly syringes but i feel like they'd be too slowcan you spoonfeed me the stuff i'll need to buy?
>>77095993based, don't listen to the boomer haters. only thing you're missing is tren and hgh, maybe slu pp.i love dnp
>>77096683Nigga you're retarded. The nuke gains and get nowhere cycle you've devised is that of a special needs child. Makes sense you can't type properly. You've expended all your braincells blasting test with nothing to show but obesity.>>77096737People are shitting on your legs but you do have good calf genetics. If you trained legs heavy for half a year you'd have a great physique.
>>77097087I think he looks good...mmmm...like... really good...
Check out my physiquePermablasting for a year now
>>77097222nice man, why did she break my heart?
Who’s cheap GLOW source? RUO is the cheapest I can find but they’re still like 80. Anything better?
>>77097222What a shithole gym
Just pinned reta and hgh for the first time last night, when am I supposed to feel it?
>>77097222Is there a reason you're training in an abandon building?>>77097087Thanks. I do train legs heavy, but these last 2 pictures are from yesterday where I took 50mg anadrol PWO, hit upper body, and I am 6'4, so my legs look fuckin tiny by comparison lmao. Usually not this disproportionate.
>>77097222back looks HUGEmind me asking what your year-round "blast" dose was?so many people have different ideas of what considers blasting. someone on /fit/ recently told me 100mg test c EoD did not constitute a "blast".
>>77097438>>77097458>>77097704>>77097713You can't be serious. I just found this photo somewhere else and laughed at this obese roided gorilla (his fucking midsection is almost as wide as his shoulders, I bet there's a massive round fat belly in front of him). Plus these stick legs. The dude never trained his legs. And you all ignored all of thisAlso the gym is probably russian or something
>>77097704I know you said no regrets. But do you ever get annoyed by the little things that are now involved for the rest of your life? Like pinning eod, always making sure you have supplies like needles and swabs, staying up to date on sources, buying btc, getting bloodwork etc?I’m serious. We spoke before briefly in another thread, and I’m siting on a years supply of test (enough for blast cruise and then next blast after that) an a years supply of hgh, I have all my pre cycle bloodwork done, but there’s just something that is stopping me from starting, it’s like I know that once I pin the first shot of test - that’s it, my life is changed forever, all those extra steps instead of just letting my balls make it for me (I do not have low test), I’ve wanted this enough to spend years researching, sourcing and learning to analyze everything about my bloodwork - but I’m just apprehensive about all that stuffI’ve pinned 3iu hgh ED for 3 months now so I know what’s involved. But test is different Training has been a lifetime hobby so it’s not like I think I’m gonna fall off and flgive up, but yeah I’m seriously overthinking something - or everyone else under thinks it
Is there like a Tren- lite for someone who doesnt want to lose their hair. Maybe DHB?
>>77096946i've not done it myself. just seen others do it. but, look up venipuncture guides on how to do it. 21g butterfly is most common. 23g if you have smaller veins. 70% alcohol swab -- disinfect the area for 30 seconds, and let air dry. make sure you wash your hands first. air dry after swabbing. you're trying to limit introducing anything into your blood. clear plastic tube, probably with leur lock to securely connect to the butterfly needle. gauze for bleeding. maybe a bit of medical tape to hold it on. maybe a turnequet, or warm compress to help plump your veins. so wash up, prep everything, sterilize, insert needle (opening facing up), let her rip, gauze over needle then withdraw, apply pressure, put some tape on, and try not to make a mess lol. you can fijd butterfly needles up to 18g, but that just sounds uncomfortable to me
>>77097787>But do you ever get annoyed by the little things that are now involved for the rest of your life? Like pinning eod, always making sure you have supplies like needles and swabs, staying up to date on sources, buying btc, getting bloodwork etc?Honestly no because it's just another way I better myself. Eating consistently clean and for function rather than pleasure is another one, and I think most people would struggle giving that up. For me? I've been doing it for 3 years and it's not that hard. Including cardio will be the next big jump for me, but you make it the new norm. There's tons of things I do all the time that I don't want to do, but I know it's what best for my goals.This is gonna sound douchey, but I am very successful, and run a tech company as CEO at 30 years old. Been doing that since I was 22... Being around very successful people often, I've found the biggest limitation to life is mindset. It's good you've thought out about what pinning often and sourcing will look like long term, but considering your post, you know it won't be that bad, you just don't know if you want to commit to it or not. Just send it, don't look back, and if you hate it, then you make a change that works for you (rather that's pinning test or not). Good luck Anon.
>>77097456tranny is 10x10ml @ 70mg for 190, but they're sold out right now. only other place i have a recent price list for handy is same for $200
>>77097791no>>77097818this. stock up for years at a time, and rebuy every other year. if you don't like pinning so often, buy longer lasting esters. most annoying part for me is keeping it out of my kid's sight, which just means keeping it up in the far corner of my closet. big whoop
>>77097818>>77097829Thanks yes, I mean I just have this vision of what if I do it for 5 years and then things change and I don’t wanna do it anymore, and then you’re kinda stuck trt for the rest of your life But thanks for the advice, yes I already do everything else, daily fasted cardio (30mins) , 4 meals out of 5 are the same every day, weight training for years etc. it’s just the older I get the more cautious I amAnd one other thing is that, I don’t actually have any desire to be huge, I’m 200lb now and I can see myself being happy and looking good at 225 but it’s not like I’m looking to blast off to space or anything either
>>77097845You're not stuck for the rest of your life. PCT sucks (and is also for fags lol), but it's not completely over. Many people come off, especially for kids, and I plan to do the same at some point for that specifically. The likelihood you're permanently shut down in 5 years is low unless you're already 40, which then your natural test will be in the floor naturally anyway.The irony is bro that you should know you can come off with any form of research on it, but what you probably haven't realized is that people don't come off for a reason... The good drastically outweighs the bad. If you had just pinned test by now, you'd realize why you'd be okay with running it for the rest of your life.Now no more fence-sitting, just do it.
>>77097845guys have pct'd after years, and were fine. you dont have to do it forever. and it's not some magic thing that'll instantly make you the hulk. you'll find what's comfy for you
>>77091029Fat
>>77097829Fuck it, I’ll just do DHB anyway
>>77097849Spiritually permadyel kek
>>77096487>>77096652Yeah the weight graph is a bit disingenuous 2bhBloat/water weight is a hell of a thing particularly on roidsActual fat loss was half of that or less, went from ~15% to single digit bf by skin fold caliper measurements
>>77096946YOU DUMB ANIMAL JUST READ THE FUCKING WIKI!!!!!
>>77097700I have headaches using gh in the first days
>>77097849Thanks. Well I already have the kids,And I’m 40 this summer. T levels are good, but triple might be betterThanks for the help
>>77097787You're pretty melodramatic huh.
>>77097972In what way?I guess I just realize it’s a big decision, I wouldn’t have thought twice about it when I was 25
>>77097700Probably a few weeks for reta, dose dependant ofcReta fucked with my blood sugar immediately Binged on carbs within an hour of the first shotDidn't feel any significant appetite suppression till >5mg a weekLethargy and skin sensitivity hit around 8mg a weekGH, if you aren't ramping up slowly, you'll probably get hand bloat and aching the first weekIf you are slowly ramping then nothing
>>77082408i'm having a hard time now deciding when and how to pin HGH 2IU per dayif i want to fast about 2 hours before and 2 hours after pinning, thats 4 hours with no food...except im supposed to be pinning at nightusually i have the biggest appetite at nightand i'm trying to gainshould i just bite the bullet and not eat for a couple hours before bed?pinning first thing in the morning was way easier, but apparently its not ideal
>>77097975Because you're over thinking this anon. Just start and if you don't like it, just change.I pin ED and I hate it. But it helps with the levels being stable so I do it. I just don't want to get stressed about something so easy to change.People dramatised TRT, steroids, B&C too much.It's not a point of no return; there's always the option to go back.
>>77097984I went through all this, all the research and concern, and then I found out it was all for nothing Just take it whenever is convenient, it won’t make a difference until much higher doses.I tried to take it before bed but it ruined my sleep (can’t sleep at all even after multiple nights), so I switched to AM, I take it when I get up, do my 30 mins of cardio, then eat, and eat normally all day. First of all, elevated insulin drives conversion of HGH to igf-1, which is what you actually want. Arguably taking it at night ‘might’ be a little better overall for fat loss but you probably won’t notice a difference. After 2 months of taking 3iu I got blood tests. My igf1 went from 200 natty, to 400. And my blood glucose didn’t move. And my a1c actually went down - turns out if you look into it, that igf-1 is actually protective of insulin sensitivity TLDR: just take it whenever is convenient
>>77097996This.It doesn't matter when, just take it. I take 2-4iu everyday before sleep.
>>77097984I pin half right after waking and half as soon as I get home or ~3pmSo one fasted then one not and two spikes plus still theoretically get the natural spike during sleep tooBeen on 8iu for awhile though, for 2iu one in the morning is probably good enough, splitting is really more for larger dosesThe biggest benefit comes from running it long termThere's a lot of micromanaging you can do but I'm not super convinced any of it matters
>>77097990Yeah true I’m just being dramatic My plan roughly speaking is to start on 250mg test c, get bloodwork at 8 weeks in, I have arimidex and aromasin on hand but I would not expect to have any issue at this dose, I know may people will say this is a faggot dose and that 500 is the only way, but I’d rather test at 8 weeks and see what it’s doing for my levels, ultimately 250 could still put me at double to triple my natty levels, at which point I’d ride that cycle out to 20 weeks before drilling to a cruise, if my bloods came back and are underwhelming at 250mg I could up it to 300 or 350 for the rest of the cycle and reassess. I’d rather save 500mg/weeek for another day Planning eod injections for stability
>>77098009trt won't make you less gay, just sayin
>>77098005Do you get lethargy?I do 3iu at 4amAnd by 2pm-4pm I get Very tired. After I’ve pushed through it I’m fine until bedtime but everyday I feel this bit cloud of lethargy come over me at the same time
>>77097787>>77097975>>77098009im an ooga booga 80 IQ retard and to me you just sound like a midwit pussy
>>77098017I was actually hoping it would make me more gay, get jacked get on grindr and fuck some twinks
>>77098019Sometimes initally when getting use to a higher dose but it's often having a lot of carbs at lunch or a comboIf it's bad then I limit carbs at lunch or just grab some caffeine early afternoon
>>77098004do you fast for two hours before taking it?>>77097996thanks for your input. so your conclusion is, all of the hype about not eating before or after pinning hgh is just hysteria, as long as we're talking about doses around 2-3 IU?
>>77098070I do. Sometimes I eat in the 2 hour window before sleep, but then I don't eat carbo in this meal. And there're some occasions when I ate carbs and took the gh before sleep. Like we said, it doesn't matter
>>77098005>The biggest benefit comes from running it long term>There's a lot of micromanaging you can do but I'm not super convinced any of it mattersAlso this. It summarises pretty well.
>>77097087>Nigga...Butthurt boomer retard having a meltdown as he is threatened by a more enlightened, faustian Man. Try to explain 1(one) thing wrong with my stack that isnt just "bro thats much and scary". If you could read you would have been able to glean this isnt my first time i run his stack. I didnt mention gear because its a given im running AAS and AAS don't in anway aid fatloss, again contrary to boomer retardation. >but trenIts in retard, you thought I wasn't running Tren? Goofy ahh nigga4channiger, please, I am not spamming. Im one of the few posters in this general actually providing novel information and not asking "pill me on reta"
>>77097918do it! experiment. you'll find what works for you. everyone is different>>77097965yes, and? start low. titrate painfully slowly. decent number of people can't tolerate jumping straight to 2iu a day even. drop back to 1, and add a half iu every two weeks>>77097981reta isnt known for appetite suppression. tirz is>>77097984nigga complicatin things. just pin before bed>>77098009adex OR asin. not both, unless you feel like nuking your e2 and feeling like shit for a few weeks>>77098024that's what tren is for>>77098097definitely this. even at higher dosages, unless you're taking 20iu and slin, then you gotta be on your shit
>>77098112ma'am this is a mongolian basket weaving forum. you can say ass here. also, increase your tren dosage. i dont know how much you're taking, but it couldnt hurt. it never hurts
>>77098070Yes my conclusion is the insulin glucose hype is largely bullshit, as long as you eat healthy and train, like I said, 3iu didn’t move my blood glucose, well it actually knocked my a1c down but that could have been testing variation… I don’t time it around carbs. Carbs drive insulin, insulin drives igf1 conversion, igf1 is protective against insulin sensitively Guys who see fasted blood glucose and a1c increases are the guys doing 8iu before bed, and they have shitty igf1 numbers
>>77098123Yes adex or aromasin. I just had both on hand incase I don’t get along with one or the other
>>77097849Whilst i only do 4 month cycles I do think with proper use shutdown is extreme overstated. It’s basically people starting gear at 25, then coming off at 35 and wandering why they have way less sex drive and energy. Even if you hadn’t been used to impossible T levels you’d still notice a drop off in that timeframe.
>>77097787I always have this. Get excited for a cycle, start it and then by the end get sick of constant timings and injections and lack of life flexibility then am keen to get back to natty. There are pros and cons to both.
>>77097222WTF lmao
If you don’t run at least 400mg of Trenbelone a week then go fuck yourself.
>>77098151When you say get back to natty, do you mean you are pct’ing after each cycle?
>>77098172Yeah, i PCT and typically go a few years between cycles. Though that’s not out of caution. I really just use steroids for fun when I’ve been working out really well for months or think im going to flag.Like im on cycle now after I spent basically the last year working out 6 times a week and was getting burned out.
>>77098166At even 300mg i was getting way too much insomnia and night sweats. 200mg is the ideal spot.
>>77098193Have you ever tested how long after pct it takes to get back to decent levels? Do you use hcg on cycle? And what’s been your goto pct protocol?
>>77098197Pathetic.
>>77098208No, i just do my bloods pre-cycle. Yes to HCG and PCT is hcg and nolva.
>>77098166Been running 200-400mg Tren E since August. Shits cash, rhe "Go" tren gives you in the gym is unmatched. Can defintely see how it can make impulsive retards gay criminals tho>>77098197>insomnia >night sweatsRhe insomnia is either you not having used enough energy through the day, no need for prophylactic rest days on tren. Dont be a bitch. Or neuroticism/issues dwelling on yohr mind, introspection, talk witb yohr mom etc..>night sweats Complete meme, if you want night sweats take DNP.
>>77098139thank youcan you give me a list of things i should test for? seems like fasting glucose and fasting insulin and ac1 would be good for a start, to get my baselines. anything else? then i'd get re-tested maybe in 6 weeks after regularly taking hgh
>>77098251The bed sheets are drenched. In turn the insomnia means i’ve got crap energy for my workouts.
>>77098387Yeah tren insomnia and sweats are unironically real, and nothing I changed dosage wise, diet, training regiment, or supplements helped. Only thing that made it go away was length of cycle, after week 6 the sweats dissipated into just a small amount that can be attributed to weather change here into warm mornings. Insomnia still present but I had sleep troubles naturally before gear use. Insomnia ruins everything it sucks but I still get great pumps since I workout later in the day.
>>77098375Glucose (which is part of a metabolic panel) insulin and a1c, and igf1Then test again after 8 weeks on hgh
>>77098375>>77098505Use hellogoodlabs if you don’t know
>>77098123I did my research it quite literally is tren lite. Just has real bad pip. Better to take racehorse roids than burger meat roids.
>>77098143oh okay thank goodness haha
>>77098507oooh hell yeah to this. what was $300 through discounted labs is $100 through good labs. some of good labs more expensive tests can be less expensive through discounted labs though, as they have similar prices on those, but discounted labs often has 20% off coupons
>>77098519i'm not familiar with it. i picked up a ton of tren raws, and just didn't bother with anything else. more power to you. have at it
>>77098123>reta isnt known for appetite suppression. tirz isWHAT???
>>77089268Someone post the pick of ripped low bf% guys with ugly faces
>>77098652tirz suppresses your appetite much more than reta. reta has other benefits though, like helping insulin, increasing metabolism, lowering ldl, and reducing heart inflammation. overall people who've taken sema/tirz/reta all seem to prefer reta, unless they specifically want supression, then they'll take tirz. or you they're all just mixes of each other (sema is sema. tirz is sema + something. reta is sema + tirz + something), so you can add tirz with reta, and get the best of both. just dont mix them in the same pin, 'cause they get all fucky. like it gets cloudy and thick, is what i've heard. not sure as to the validity of that though
>>77098695Semaglutide sucks but it's so much cheaper
>>77098684I don't wanna post my selfie
>>77098387Whats the temperature control like?>insomniaAgain, whats the insomnia character? Ur really just staring at ur ceiling not tired at all? Go walk or someshit. I take naps after my lifts with tren. When youre tired youre tired.>>77098695>tirz has more appetite suppresionAlmost certainly doesnt. Reta and Tirz have equal binding afinitiez at the Glp1 anf GIP, which drive satiety. The explanation is almost certainly people not soong a proper dose comparison because theyre Retarded and Reta is relatively much more expensive than Tirz.
I never have sex dreams while not on a cycle, but I got back on my testosterone cycle and had two sexual dreams two nights in a row where I could actually feel it and even worse I was a terrible person in both. In the first one some adult looking woman kept pretending she was going to kiss me because she was clearly miring then I dared her to do it again and kissed on the lips and she started smiling and said that's illegal and told me she was 13, and suddenly she was a teenage girl. And I was like fuck it hit me up in a few years. The second dream for some reason I was working a government aid program and some Indian lady tried taking advantage of me by saying I have to organize her house so I told her to fuck off and went to the next house, and it was a single mom and her kid was the Rizzler. Anyways she wanted me to do things that weren't im contract either and take care of her kid and I called him a bitch tits so he said he was gonna fuck my mom and pulled a knife out and the mom encouraged him to stab me, but I took the knife from him and raped his mom at knife point and made him watch. I actually felt both of these incidents even in my dream. I could feel myself forcing my cock in the kid's mom and feel the girl's lips.Is this a side effect of the testosterone? Obviously I've never raped anyone or made out with any underage girls. But to be fair the girl transformed in the first dream mid kiss.
>>77098902I just love aggressive sexual fantasies and I have never had a wet dream but I have had erotic dreams and woke up extremely bonered up and had to milk the snake immediately.
>>77098913Do you have them more on cycle? I'm thinking 100 percent the test is making me have them.
>>77098927Yes, I had them like twice a year natty now it seems to be every week.
>>77098902>Rizzleryou sick fuck
>>77098842ah well you may be correct. i'm just going off all the anecdotes i've read
Maybe Tren isn't so great...
>>77099182I will never use trenSure, tren users are so cool and dry and pack so much muscle quickly. But I don't want to feel like I'm dying all the timeI prefer milder compounds that just make me feel good
>>77099345If you keep dose low and have an antihypertensive to hand it’s fine. But yes people running 400mg+ for months will feel shit
>>77098842I live in north bongland so pretty cold at night, probably 17c inside. As for the insomnia I can be deathly tired but get in bed and my heart rate goes to 100bpm, I have the aforementioned pouring sweet and struggle to sleep. Once i am asleep it’s fine but ive got kids so have to get up at 7 no matter what.
>>77099484I was working 14hr shifts and working out afterwards heavy and still couldn’t sleep more than 3hr bursts every night it is an incredible compound. I wouldn’t take it if I had a real corporate job and a family though, the balance of rest and work is crucial to home life and that would be so out of wack if I wasn’t a single blue collar bachelor with a NEET girlfriend.
>>77099527I find the lack of sleep kills my workouts, i was arriving dead and unmotivated. A lot better now i cut back to 200mg.
>>77099529Yeah honestly I think the 400mg/wk Tren has its uses but if you want that magic honey pot dose it is probably 200mg. Everything just runs smoother at that.
>>77099481what's a low dose+test?
>>77099676Well something around 500mg for test. Usually i find much above and you may as well just add a different compound. As for tren as others have said 100-300mg is the ideal area. People get too into it and want to become a gooning rage machine and push up to 500mg plus but the side effects very quicky pile on. There's no point taking it if you're too fucked up to eat or sleep properly.
>>77099676400mg Test + 200mg Tren is Goldilocks for me
>>77098684>with ugly facesNot even that they just lacked style
What’s the highest tren dose any anon has endured?
>>77099850i ran a gram. another here 1.5. good times
>>77099872Jesus wept. What was your per day goon count?
Should I eat at maintenance during a deload week while blasting?
>>77098695You are so wrong:https://nypost.com/2026/02/18/health/people-dropped-out-of-retatrutide-trial-for-losing-too-much-weight/
>>77099939Why? What's your goal You seriously want to minmax this hard? It's not like you're completely sedentary, you still work out and spend energy. Plus you're on steroids so your protein synthesis is high no matter whatI'd say noI'm not an expert gear user though. Just common sense
>>77099939I can barely be bothered to work out my macros for months long bulk/cut cycles and this NIGGER doing it for a week
>>77099939No? The deload is to help heal your muscle so just eat your usual bulk calories.I guess you feel guilty because you are eating a lot and not lifting as heavy but it is only 1 week don't worry about it.
>>77099902honestly not much. i've never experienced that all horned up thing from aas that everyone goes on about, and that blast was 2.5g a week. bloods were good, too. oddly the only time i've got that i absolutely need to fuck something now feeling was from 50mg yohimbine, and it's happened twice in the last month. i definitely want to fuck more than if i was natty or cruising, but nothing overwhelming. i did mess with pramipexole a bit, and once i was ready to go again right after finishing. there's a window in there where i'm titrating up that gets me there, but at a regular daily dose it goes away
>>77099945For me, tirz was insanely easy to cut on. Went from 220 to 185 in a few months. Switched to reta and ended up running it through my next bulk at 8 mg a day because of the cholesterol and insulin sensitivity effects. I put on basically pure muscle and the reta made it easy to keep my diet really clean. But, I was still able to bulk on it with very little appetite suppression. I’m not sure how well it would work for me on a cut. I have like 500 mg of it so I’m going to keep using it but I was thinking for my spring/summer cut I’d try tirz with mazdutide. This is partially to avoid the complete loss of libido (even while running 400 mg tren) that I got from reta. I figure that since I don’t get it from tirz it must have something to do with the glucagon agonism so I’ll be able to titrate that separately with the maz.
>>77100124I’m usually hornier on my trt+ cruise doses than when I’m actually blasting. I assume it has to do with the CNS fatigue from lifting as hard as I can 4 or 5 days a week on cycle.
