Grape edition>Where do I start?old.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/indexPrevious: >>77199282
>>77216719why you gotta do me dirty like that, anon? :(
How many weeks do you guise run 350 test? 500?
>>77216883I cruise at 650, bitch nigga
>>77216294It's not that the drug isn't potent at all after a month from what I understand, it's mostly a sterility thing. Even using BAC water. That being said, there are plenty of subscription plans that sell 3 month single vials.
>>77216719Literally me but I am 5'8"
>>77216883I ran 500mg for 30 weeks then cruised at 250mg for 10 weeks and back to blasting with some other stuff.
>>77217078oh! thank you, anon
I had a question but I forgot it, which steroids fucked my memory so hard
>>77217286I think I am a little bit more scatterbrained since I started. Could just be getting older. or from the lack of brain use as a NEET
>>77217286Nandrolone crosses the blood brain barrier and makes you retarded, more risk seeking and more impulsiveAlso more likely to have emotional regulation problems like depression Frauders will say this is based
>>77217290>feel depressed>get ripped and have high T>feel happy and euphoricthis is based
>>77217295and what precisely were your test levels before and after you "got ripped"?
>>77217290>you retarded, more risk seeking and more impulsive >Also more likely to have emotional regulation problems like depression I was all of these before. Drop in the bucket.
Imagine traveling back to the 1700s with your testosterone steroid body.
>>77217375You could also show them how to make batteries and electric motors
>>77217411I would just bring back UCR data to show them.
>>77217411How do I make batteries and electric motors?
I have 40 vials of HGH left over. 12iu per vial.If my goal is hypertrophy which is better:-4iu/day for 120 days-6iu/day for 80 days-there is no differenceIf your response is "U NEED TO TAKE GH FOR XXX MONTHS BEFORE IT DOES ANYTHING" just fuck off because you're a retard
Is there any gear that:> isn't terribly harmful if properly managed > won't age me I was thinking of doing a small amount of test but saw the amount of people around me that have aged 5y by blasting gear and thought twice.
>>77217447You could show them something more modern or you could make the voltaic pile and faraday motor.
>>77217881No I am asking you, how do I make them? You are throwing these fancy words around and not explaining to me HOW I make them as if I am in the 1700s.
>>77217917You know Google exists right? These are not fancy terms.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaic_pilehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homopolar_motor
>>77216883im on 350-500 test for 6 years straightno hcg,no letrozole just pinning 2 times a week dont care still pining
>>77217944Nice, what’s your age? Hairloss? Ever measure your hematocrit? Anything else of bloodwork out of range?Wha makes you decide on lowering the dose or being on 500?
hypothetically asking for a friend…If I cracked the lid off a vial of Test cypionate, and I used alcohol swabs and fresh needles to take out a few doses, but then I changed my mind on starting a cycle right now… can I just put the vial away and resume using it in day… 6-9 months? Or should I just throw the rest of the vial (I removed total 0.6ml in 4 shots, from 10ml) ? Obviously the vial is only $40 and I have 6 more for when I do commit to it, but I’m just wondering if anyone else would just keep it and use it
>>7721796631 yo,no hairloss but i use minoxidil,,i dont check medicine for last 3 years,before that i check every 3 monthsjust pinning test 2 times a week and dont think about it at all.500 on mass 350 on reduction before summernever gonna end
>>77217926So you don't know? Just wanted to clarify.
>>77218039Did you look at the link retard? There's a diagram in the fucking Wikipedia picture that tells you exactly how to make one.
>>77217290Shit you're right I ran NPP this winter for the first time.Does Tren do the same thing? Should I never do steroids from that tree again?
>>77216719muscle + hair is where's at, just choose to not be bald anons, is not that hard.
>>77217640all of it
>>77218116The studies are shit but they suspect AAS in general make you dumber. Lots of studies show negative correlation with intelligence but iirc we don't have any studies with proper controls due to the ethical issues. Both nand and tren are shown to cause Alzheimer's in rats.
>>77218116>>77218188The studies are shit, I agreeAll the effects noted tend to happen when you perma blast or go >6 months on heavy dosesSo don't go long periods on >500mg of tren/npp/deca to avoid retardation, suicidal levels of depression and generally turning your brain into mushezpz
>>77218188>>77218223I usually only take 200-300 because I don't wanna bother with other prolactin control besides p5p
>>77218015How big is your benis?
>>77218086But YOU don't know, you are linking stuff that has images and is that how you would explain it to a peasant in the 1700s? By linking them to a webpage with images?
>>77218116Tren is almost certainly worse in this regard. I don't think some low dose deca is going to make you measurably less intelligent but long term heavy tren use? Yeah it can make you actually dumber imo
>>77217473Lower dose spread out over time always has a higher ROI on a fixed amount of gear itself. So if you are broke or retired from the game, that's the way to go. It's only worth it if you are never buying another vial ever again though. Otherwise you are kind of wasting time, which is far more valuable, to stretch $150 of GH.
>>77218257You put fucking salt water between copper and zinc. Did you finish elementary school science?
>>77218276That wasn't so hard now was it? Now do an electric motor.
>>77218278What's your problem? Like why are you so upset?
>>77218280Whoa!!! Calm down! Watch your E2 buddy might want to take an AI.
>>77217640Estradiol tends to ne neuroprotective and bone protective, good for skin as well
>>77218116I love tren but I do find when I use it I'm kind of hazy headed. To the extent it can actually hurt my lifts where focus and drive matter. I might put on mass with tren but legit I can lift harder without it.
>>77217969just keep it. as long as it's still vacuum sealed (like... you said crack the top, you didn't literally remove the rubber stopper, right?), it should be good for years and years
I think my IQ got higher on Tren
>>77216719I'm 6'1 and pictures like these give me a mood boost.
>>77218300I took the plastic cap off, then using an insulin pin, took 4 doses with sterile technique from the vial through the stopper. I was just thinking because obvious ‘air’ gets introduced to the vial during this process, but I’ll keep it
how do i get bloodwork and what should i look for?
>>77218542Fuck me are you that clueless?HellogoodlabsBodybuilder panel That’s it
>>77218547they cost hundreds of dollars. do i really need to do this?
>>77218549No, I guess it’s only your health
>>772185066'1 is king of manlets now. Literally bottom of the cutoff filter women use in dating apps.
>>77218282kys retard
>>77218522nah you're good. just keep the vial in a cool dark space. shoebox in the closet is fine>>77218549hundreds? the heck you buying? i did cbc+cmp+test+e2+shbg+psa+prl+igf-1+insulin+t3+t4+tsh+lipids and i think the total was $164
Taking oral TRT and enclo, got 1400 total T and LH above 0. FeelsGoodMan>>77218542I'd recommend one of those companies that does comprehensive blood tests yearly or twice a year if you want to spend more. Gives you a baseline for everything. Specifically to roiding shit like HbA1c, hematocrit, ALT, PSA, LH, FSH, E2, total test, free test, SHBG, LDL, HDL, BUN. But there are a bunch of other markers that are good to at least see if they're fucked or not like thyroid and a ton of others.
Where do I buy my shit for my first cycle need a site, also need to know where I can buy the syringes and plungers because the few sites I’ve seen don’t sell them
>>77219375I just get my toilet plunger on Amazon
>>77218251normal,18cm but small eggs
theres been problem of shipping from china lately is grey market over?
>>77217944Same though I reduced to 180 test e a week a year ago. But before that 300mg/week for 5 to 6 years. Don't want kids and lost most of my hair between 20-28 (started test at 28). Tiny balls but no other issues really. Occasionally sporadic backne but I'm careful with skincare so it's minimal and helps if you don't miss injections. I am kinda running out of pin sites though as existing ones need a break now. I do plenty of cardio and actually don't train much now, just enough to maintain.
>>77219604Yes, nothing availableWe are all natty now
>>77219375if only there was a way to look this up like some sort of wiki possibly in the OP…one can dream i guess!
As a roider should I get a Samsung Smartwatch to track my health metrics throughout the day or is it useless
>>77220154Useless. The only things that matter are blood pressure and lipids.
>>77220154>>77220229Well I shouldn't say useless. Cardio is extremely important. So if it will motivate you to do cardio get one.
Is Lumira good for tirz and bac water?
>>77220296I meant more for sleep tracking
>>77220310i could be wrong, i'm sure there's some brand specifics about it, but iirc smart watches are notoriously shit for tracking sleep
Is there literally anything wrong with test + hcg for the rest of your life
>>77220339Depends on the dose and your diet? Probably not
>>77220350Small dose. I am fat now but I feel great so it's hard to care
>>77220339What’s the need for hcg in this scenario?
>>77220420Idk. Keep the balls working? Feels pretty good though I think
>>77220056Right? If one could dream I'd say here: IMAGINE IF WE HAD A TOOL LIKE GOOGLE WHERE'RE POSSIBLE TO TYPE "ANABOLIC BODYBUILDING FORUMS"... And search sources over there...Click in their links...
>>77220420The precursor hormones to T (that you lose if you inject T alone) have positive health benefits. That's why using hcg is a good idea imo.
>>77220463Hcg only mimics LH I believe, what’s the benefits of LH?>>77220447You don’t need your balls to keep working if you’re on T forever, I’m just asking because hcg causes estrogen management problems in a lot of people
>>77220532I had really low estrogen before I started doing this. They gave me some aromatase blockers iirc but they also said I might feel better with a little more estro. Also I think LH production of test creates stuff like pregnenalone which is good for non lifting reasons
>>77220532LH is what triggers the production of your hormones, it's like the very first stage in testosterone production. Hcg instructs your body to continue production of your own testosterone and all its precursors, which, like I said >>77220463 is beneficial.
>>77220339dont forget hgh... and maybe some healthy dose of primo or mast
Been frauding for 13 months. Is my sperm kill? Should I start HCG now or can I begin it in years when I want to have kids?
>Elbows constantly aching.>Knees started to ache as well.It's over.
>>77220566>had really low estrogen before I started doing thisSo did I. But I still have to take a little AI. Doesn't really matter how low your natty t was when you have 500 mgs exogenous testosterone.
I like anavar
I have mild upper back acne as a natty. Will I be completely fucked if I take gear?
What should I order gents
>>77221078>gmail
>>77220839why didn't you just get some of your sperm frozen?
>>77221152What about it
>>77221078Overpriced erp is better
>>77221189What?
>>77221192Find a better vendor nigger
>>77221204How much better does it get? This one has what I need in stock while the other I emailed didn't. I'll overpay by $50 or whatever if it means getting what I want asap. Shit, these prices are already way better than the first vendor I ever used
>>77221208Never pay reta 30mg over 180
>>7722107830 mg reta is 30$ on lobster :^)
How much HGH can I run without needing Insulin
>>77216463that is one of the most abrasive, disgusting things i have ever seen. if you actually view the world in such a way you need to end it immediately for the benefit of those around you
>>77221883slight concern at 12. maybe at 16. def 20+
>>772218836iu
>>77221874Whats lobster
>>77222163ugl, my dude. look them up on meso steroid underground sub forum
>>77221939What's wrong with it?
>>77217447>battery>a zinc plate and a copper plate in a glass jar filled with some acid>electric motor>wrap some wire round and round a wooden stator housing (round tube with some straight grooves cut in it)>wrap some wire round and round a wooden armature (wooden dowel)>touch one wire from your battery to stator, one to field windingsPresto, you've set human understanding of electricity forward a couple hundred years.
>>77222185Thanks, will take a look
>>77222185>>77222223Idk bro his website says reta30 is $30 a vial, thats much more expensive than the vendor price list I posted
>>77222241>>77222185Lol you guys give shitty advice
>>77218142Cope, I know a roided manlet with good hair and hear, he always tries to flirt with women and he's just cringe
>>77221883is HGH really daily? Was gonna run 2-8iu after I grab like 300iu
Anything easy, quick and safe I can take to fix trigger finger and synovitis?
>>77222241Oops i didnt read it said per kit
>>77221939That's kind of the entire point of the meme. Do you think this is meant to be definitive proof drug induced date rape is morally justified?
>>77222272ah dang lobster's been open even while others had shut down. i wonder what happened to them? crazy
>>77222447yup. and you'll want to keep at least a year supply on hand. maybe more now that there's manufacturer shut downs every month, and shipper disruptions more frequent than that
Limit testing my VG today. Injected 4.5cc of oil. No lump or immidiately swelling so site and depth(1.5in) was good, abcess risk nill. We'll see how bad the pip is tommorow tho.Will never understand why guys are scared of LONGER needles. The pain/scar tissue is from the gauge size, not the depth. Deeper injections lower risk and are superior in every way.
So is the more confidence thing a meme? Or are you guys actually more confident after injecting yourself with testosterone?
what kind of health insurance do yall have? what kind should i get? im thinking about a bronze versus a silver marketplace hmo? my plan is mainly to do TRT doses of test through the actual insurance backed pathway because im fairly certain that i will test for low test on my next blood test (been borderline all my life and now its been 10 years and im in my 30s so if its gone down even slightly i should qualify) or maybe yall go about this kind of thing with no insurance and just do it all yourselves with discountedlabs or whatever? also im only 70 percent sure ill qualify for TRT with my blood tests
>>77222808i should mention that i dont make alot of money so i qualify for the discounted marketplace plans
>>77222718too much volume of orders they said
>>77222721Why the apocalyptic tone?
>>77222811also my plan is to start with the TRT levels of care and then probably at some point experiment with a supraphysiological dose down the line. im assuming regular blood tests are required to keep recieving insurance backed TRT, and that if i started upping the dose with an extra source, they would find out immediately?
First time hearing about that lobster place. I payed $525 for 300mg of tirzepitide. Pretty insane price difference. I bought domestic though not from china
>>77222837My lobster order shipped from Turkey using Fedex not China iirc
>>77222798Testosterone does nothing for you mentally unless you are an extreme testlet, like <200mg/dL.
>>77222817ooooh that makes sense. they're practically the only game in town! dang haha
>>77222823dude a 250mg/ml 10ml vial of testosterone is $30. trt dose is like 150mg/week. $30 plus the cost or whatever cheap ass 31g 5/8" insulin syringes (like $15 for a box of 100, maybe?) gets you like 4 months of trt. your shit health plan copay's are gonna be triple that on the first appointment out of five before they prescribe you anything, then you'll still have to pay every time you get a refill, you'll have to pay every time you get a blood test, and you'll have to pay every time you have a follow up with the doc for a new scrip
>>77222798roids dont do shit for mental anything. they just make you more you. if you're a pussy now, you'll just be a physically larger pussy on aas
What bodyfat ℅ am I?
>>7722311617-18
A few months ago I had a dream that I was a house keeper or some stupid shit and this little Hispanic goblin kid hit me and told me to clean stuff up. I told the mom and she laughed and said it was part of the job and told him to hit me again. I beat the kid then raped the mom from behind and made him watch. It felt real even though it was a dream, I could feel my dick being forced into her.I never have sex dreams off cycle so having a full on rape dream to teach a kid a lesson was weird.
>>77222820>hormuz happening>every industry, including chem and shipping, is going to suffer massive shortages>possible huge inflation coming (the money kind, not the hentai kind)
bros its been a long time since i frauded. thinking of hopping on trt since i'm older now. what are the gauges i need to buy again? i remember i would draw with one and inject with another
>>77223662The meta is slin pins 29ga
>>77222820i.... there's literally been three manufacturer shut downs so far this year? and china's pharm manufacturing so vastly undercuts everyone in the world that even india buys their raws from china. if it keeps going this way eventually all we'll have is turkish pharma grade at 10x+ current prices, which are already 2-3x what they were two years ago. plus what other anon said -- shipping prices are going to go through the roof. a lot of china sourced stuff used to go through that crooked air cargo place, but that's gone. airlines are already canceling flights by the thousands due to fuel prices. diesel's spiking now too. if it keeps going like this we're gonna be spending $2,000 for 100iu, $300 to ship it, and we still will see higher seizure rates from the increased detection rates from the new scanners the ports have been rolling out. so, yeah, stock up on some shit. there. that's apocalyptic.
>>77223662just use insulin pins like other anon said. it draws slower, but, whatever. it's fine with mct oil. if you're that impatient, leur lock pins, draw with 21, pin with 27
>>77223662I pin with 30. Draw with 27.
>>77222763>1.5”>4.5ml holy shit nigga how fat are you
Just finished my first month of GHK-Cu, it definitely has an effect on the skin, but at this stage, I don't think it's any better than just using Tret. Will continue to use it for another month or two to be sure.
>>77224155Yeah bro subq 4.5ml and report back. I explained why deep injections are better, but you're an illiterate retard.
>>77223521>>77223951You know that ocean is big and there are different options and ports to navigate, right anon? Petrol and gas are already being shipped via Fujairah, etc.Also your president is a total cuck and a loser, desperate for ceasefire and begging Iranians all day for a deal. Take it easy
>>772241551.5 is pretty normal for some spots. You don't need to insert all needle as well. For IM I'm more a 5/8 guy desu
>>77224186why the fuck are you injecting 4.5ml in one go? what possible reason do you have for this
Anyone else have SVT but still blast gear
>>77224462I have LVH and hypertension level 2 and blast.I'll get there one day!
>>77224462Are you on any beta blockers? I’m on metoprolol and it helps
>>77224364i enjoyed your brainlet take. enjoy your ignorance. i'll increase my tren dosage in your honor
>>77223109ok, this is interesting info. theyll probably only give me that tiny amount? maybe my decision to get health insurance should be more about taking prevenative steps for if i ever get seriously ill and need the hospital.thank you for the info
>>77224608I was. Didn’t really help though. Mine only happens during heavy lifting or hard exercise.
>>77222798Literally nothing has actually changed me mentally. Test, tren, masteron, etc. The only thing I can think of is one test/dbol cycle where I got extremely horny, jealous and possessive. Happened after I let my estrogen get out of whack, like during the abrupt hormonal change from taking a decent amount of asin. But other than that incident I'm the same, even on lots of tren. I'm convinced guys that say roids change you are either experiencing a placebo or they are retards with how much/often they pin which puts them on a hormonal rollercoaster for months.
My shit has been in limbo in customs for a 1+ month now jfl
>>77224633commonly you'll be prescribed one 200mg/ml 10ml vial for 10 weeks. a trt dose varies greatly, as individual response varies greatly. you have some assholes that are pushing 1500 total test (tt) (on a range up to 1200) on 80mg a week. most people will fall somewhere around 900-1100 on 150mg a week. then docs also vary greatly in their belief of what a good level is. the tt range goes from 250-1100 or 300-1200 depending on the lab, so a lot of docs will target 600tt, meaning there's a real good chance you'll end up on 100mg/week. then docs are often dumb as fuck about this stuff, so they might put you on something dumb like 1 shot every 1 or 2 weeks. that means you have the pleasure of experiencing high and low tt and e2 all over the fucking place every fucking week. you're gonna want to commit harakiri. soooo yeah, just hop on meso forum, go to their trt subforum, read, then head over to the steroid underground subforum, find an underground lab (ugl) that's in your country, and by from them. grab some test, and find some arimidex or aromasin (both control e2) just in case, get your testosterone/estradiol/lipids/cmc/cmp tested, then start injecting at home. this shit's stupid easy as long as you know how to do basic math, and there's a million videos out there about how and where to inject stuff. if you end up doing a 500mg/week starters blast, you'll pin 2/3 times a week, and maybe take a bit of ai (arimidex/aromasin). that's all it takes for most. some people get unluckynand start producing too much blood and get to deal with secondary polycythemia, or high blood pressure, or they're high aromatisers and their e2 goes through the fuckin roof and your dick stops working and you feel like killing yourself, but those can all be managed, so, whatever
>>77224894but hey atleast you saved a few bucks by not buying domestic, eh?>>77224981god bless america where doctors are allowed to force your body into being completely dependent on testosterone therapy while simultaneously giving you the smallest doses possible like 100/weekAt the start of my fraud journey I went to one of those trt clinics for about 6 months, $75 each time for 300/mg done twice a month. Felt like a fucking IDIOT when I realized how badly I was being scammed.Final experience with them and last time I went was for their $50 full blood panel test (actually good deal to make up for rip-off prices on T) This was after self-medicating for a couple months and I pretended like I wanted to start going back to them. I had to call up the actual lab company for the results because the doctor must have seethed when he saw I was at 1800 total test and he would not send the results via email like the prior 2 times I did testing through them.If anyone reading this is currently a victim of the trt clinic racket do yourself a favor and learn to DIY
>>77225476oof.... glad you got out
>>77217640Enclomilad 6.25mg along with finasteride 1mg
>>77224162GHK-Cu is like accutane/tretinoin, only weaker. Most peptides not GLP1 are overrated af.
>>77225742I didn't notice a single difference on glow. There aren't really too many good peptides out there. MT2 and PT-141 are promising. CJC with DAC if you don't want to deal with injecting HGH. Everything else you can't convince me isn't placebo from retards who want to believe they aren't injecting themselves with chink research chemicals and reducing their lifespan for nothing.
>>77224623>Hormuz closed I don't get steroids>China needs Hormuz open to make my TrEmBolOnE aNd ReTa BruHOk...
>>77226017reading comprehension has always been a struggle for you, hasn't it?
>>77226254>More ad hominem, still unable to answer why China can't/won't use different routes and ports.Brilliant genius
>>77226354double nigger, did you even read my doomsday message? the literal act of transportation is the least pressing issue for our lgbqrstuv+×÷= community getting our gender affirming care. get your head out of iran. only china and russia care about sand niggers oil. the problem for us is the fucking labs that make this shit are getting shut down, and very few other countries are even equipped to make what we use. worse, most those countries that do manufacturer raws only stick to what is legal in their country. how much turkish tren have you bought in your lifetime? i'm betting zero, because it doesn't fucking exist. india is the next in line after china for producing at any half reasonable commercial quality, but i haven't seen anyone step up advocating for the jeet special, because their quality control is just non-existent. nothing is going to magically appear tomorrow to fill the manufacturing void, or even in 12 months. if the chink labs can't bribe their way out of this predicament AND resist the urge to keep cranking out fent precursors, we're going to face a drought. china hit the big players last year, and they're picking up the little guys now
>>77225742>GHK-Cu is like accutane/tretinoin, only weaker. Most peptides not GLP1 are overrated af.Litteraly 0 relationship besides both vaguely being used as "skin care". Christ this /fraud/ is trash. Only uae it because I got banned off every other actual steroid forum because gear uncs are the most estrogenic and butthurt demographic
>>77226417fraud is for steroids not peptide faggotsGET OUT REEEE
>>77226405What should I stock up on?
>>77224981>>77225476christ this is helpful advice, thank you so much.
Honestly bros I don't think I'll ever be happy with the way I look. Yet I continue to blast. Continue to bulk and cut. Because admitting to myself that I'll never reach my unrealistic standards is more painful than the grind.
>>77226464Body dysmorphia is acquired, I will never be happy either until I am dead
Is frauding under 25 ever worth it? Would you recommend it to your younger self, or try to deal with the psychological aspects of hating one’s own body first?
>>77226545As you can see:>>77226464>>77226542Frauding won't do shit for body dysmorphia. It is a lot of fun though and you will pull more girls. Women are sluts for roided physiques it's a huge black pill. But yeah in my experience it won't move the needle on how you view your own body. I would say if there's even a chance you'll want kids don't do it until after. The roids will still be there when your balls are done. It's a small risk but yeah.
>>77226545>>77226580Just to add to this, the kind of shit that I'm disgusted about with my body is insanity now that I'm big and lean. Like my lower right ab insertion is too low and sorta crooked. My left lat is slightly bigger. My obliques are too developed for my liking. Shit like that. I consciously know that this is crazy and people don't even notice, but sometimes I don't even want to look at myself in the mirror. idk.
>>77226580>>77226592Wow, that’s… wow. Guess it never really ends, then. I’d do better to quiet that nagging voice in the back of my head and just make an honest effort at lifting and accepting my own body. Thank you sincerely, anon.
>>77221874u got any good test source anon
>>77226619Lifting natty is great anyways. If you do decide to roid someday it'll make something you already enjoy like 10x more fun, even if it doesn't cure your dysmorphia. But like I say, the roids will always be there.
>>77226592agreed, my left lat is slightly bigger and the symmetry when i am flexing in the mirror is off so i get autistic and just go hard on everything to compensate
>>77226545No.
Will consuming an 80 calorie whey isolate shake right before I inject cjc-1295/ipamorelin blunt the effects?
>>77226434the fun roids. peps and glp will be fine. test & deca will be interrupted for a bit, but they'll come back. tren/mast/eq and the likes will be in short supply, limited to whatever preppers stock up on now
>>77226439god speed, anon
>>77226545frauding under 25 is not worth fucking with your brain development. it wont fix any problems. it's not going to suddenly make you get over whatever mental issue you have. roids aint some magic pill. it'll give you bad anxiety, fuck your sleep, make you obsessive, and you'll still have all the same problems you got now. if you're depressed now, you'll be physically larger and depressed on roids. BUT, you can fuck that up too, so maybe you'll be fatter and more depressed when you fuck your e2 when you half ass it
>>77226592my right lat is slightly bigger, and my right shoulder droops a bit 'cause i fucked it up a while back. between the two of us there's maybe one normal person! hah
>>77226434Do you live in the US? You should stockpile antibiotics
Customs are being enslaved by their Jew overlord Lily and seizing all GLPs and peptides at customs. Idk if it’s true that china is closing labs and raws are getting cut but I will never buy Indian.
>>77227752>Idk if it’s true that china is closing labsThis is not true, GLPs and peptides from China are comining in as normally and cheaply as ever.
Should I try tren or will it make me retarded
>>77227770So it’s just the customs and the Jews then
>>77227817Yeah, also doesn't the US produce this domestically? Even in Brazil I can find GLPs and peptides made here.
>>77227799Tren is honestly so fucking awesome, whether you microdose the prescribed 76mg/wk like the old days or blast 400mg/wk you will feel amazing. Yea the side effects suck if you don’t handle it well but you can just drop your dose to get less sides. I do not enjoy night sweats or insomnia but holy fuck is it make me feel like a God. I plan on running it forever; fuck my organs.
>>77227822Damn. I literally feel nothing on tren. I guess the good thing is I don't have sides other than weird dreams.
>>77227822how many women are you having sex with blasting tren?
>>77227838Was one but now zero, but I am hopping on the fuckapps again so that number will be going up soon (surely).
>>77227820Yes but there’s a bunch of people who source from china. I bought 300mg of tirz for $500 from a domestic supplier but from china I can get that for $110. Legal pharmacies charge over $100 for one 10mg vial of tirz
>>77227770What about the steroid raws?
>>77227889>What about the steroid raws?Produced here. Brazil may be unironically more industrialized than the US at this point.
>>77227885>I bought 300mg of tirz for $500 from a domestic supplier but from china I can get that for $110. Legal pharmacies charge over $100 for one 10mg vial of tirzWhat is wrong with these prices?
>>77227910Problem with china suppliers is that they will only do one reship or no reship.Which is why there’s such a gap between prices.My 300mg of tirzepitide would be close to or over 1,000usd at a legitimate “compounding pharmacy”So if your stuff breaks or gets lost they might not reship it and you’re out the money.
>>77227943>Problem with china suppliers is that they will only do one reship or no reship.I guess on this one the situation really changes between countries, when I get stuff from China I pay on local currency and get the reship policy I'd get from buying locally, but it seems buying from China in the US is like buying in the dark. Truly interesting how this changes.Can't you get a shipping insurance? Tho.
>>77227955No idea. I’m looking at a price list from some china company right now and they don’t offer any insurance
>>77228005Usually the company doing the shipping will be to one offering the insurance.
>>77227752customs got new scanners that can identify substances without direct line of sight. more shipments are being flagged and intercepted. also a big smuggling ring that was able to get many full containers past customs was busted, and the popular illicit substance shipping airline also got busted
>>77228103i call bullshit on the scanners thing
>>77221232Sounds like he's fine ordering the kit of ten 60mg vials for $360 anon.
Best steroid for beard growth?
>>77217640gonadorelin is pretty harmless, isn't it?And then there's clomid which doesn't do much for men if your balls are already working fine.
When are we near-shoring the fraud factories to Mexico bros. There shouldn't be a whole ocean between the reta plug and my fat ass.
>>77228384Driada did just that in Greece.
>>77228369Anal Minoxidil
>>77228384The Mexicans would just sell you ground tapeworms and meth. I only trust the Chinese. Not the Indians, not the Turks
>>77228399You sure Driada built their own local peptide factory and isn't just reselling?
>>77228404They've proven they can produce fentanyl just fine from Chinese chemical precursors tbhdesu.Let China just make the amino acids and ship those out.
Is there a practical reason straight up LH+FSH don't get used in protocols or even sold anywhere?
>>77228252i read it is the same ol' backscatter radiation now with higher sensitivity receivers and machine learning applied, and it can detect minute variances in the time it takes the signal to pass through something which allows the system to identify substances. i DO NOT think it lets them outright say oh theres this specific thing in here, but if the shipping manifest says beauty products and they get a ping on powder, it'll warrant manual investigation, at which point they'll crack open the package, get a visual on the substance, and there IS a device that can tell you exactly what something is by just looking at it -- firstdefender rmx "Operates directly through sealed glass or plastic containers, avoiding exposure to potentially harmful substances."
>>77228537ah don't quote me on this, but u want to say i read somewhere that straight lh/fsh has an extremely short half life -- like a half hour. it's better to fuel the process for your body to produce it, rather than need a constant drip of the stuff
>>77228537isnt that what HMG does?
>>77228639I looked around, LH is about 20 minutes and FSH is about 3 to 4 hours. That explains why it's FSH + hCG that gets used in IVF treatments instead of FSH + real LH.I think endogenous LH+FSH production is stimulated by GnRH agonists like gonadorelin, and that also has a very short half-life, so it seems like it's best used with an insulin pump like from Omnipod or Tandem. Are there other options with a longer half life?
"Real pharmaceutical Anavar is 17α-methyl, 17β-hydroxy, 5α-reduced, with the 2-oxa lactone What you're actually getting from UGLs and compounding pharmacies is a significant fraction of 17-epi-oxandrolone, where the C17 stereochemistry is inverted"Thoughts?
>>77222637>sees an image equating abortion with rape>"...so you're saying rape is good?"Fucking Leftists, man
>>77218257>be time traveler in 1700>"Thou cannst harness the power of lightning? Nay, thou art a charlatan. Make good thy claim, or keep your peace">UHHHHHHHH LITERALLY GOOGLE IT
god damn tren makes me hungry. I'm literally never satisfied.
>>77228768I don't know why you retards are so upset by this. I guess you saw a meme and you're insecure about the fact you don't understand elementary school science?The first battery was just copper and zinc and an electrolyte. It's not arcane or complicated. They just literally hadn't thought of it yet.
>>77228768>>77228815Why don't you two annoying retards getva room and give each other aids
why are faggots so obssessed with getting t levels up but not enough to mean shit (frauding)? who cares about t levels slightly higher than which you had last week, unless youre gonna hit them to an actual noticeable differnece? just keep lifting with whatever you had... am i missing something? is it to brag on twitter about how "manly and honest" one is to other weaklings afraid of outsider preception? ZOMG. +0.3 1 HOUR HALF LIFE TEST LEVEL FROM OATMEAL. i say this as a "tranny" by the way. out progressing nattys while playing new game + difficulty.
>>77228902NOT READING THAT ESSAY LIBTARD
convince me to do cardio, I havent in years
>>77228907wouldnt wanna make you take time out of your day to translate it into your third worlder language. no worries/not offended.
>>77228923yet you replied
Lift more times per week when frauding?
>>77228384This is not going to happen, the technical skill required is simply not there.
>>77228932I do 4 days on 1 day off, but rarely do the day off because I always feel great and just rotate back to Chest.
>>77228919I'm on 600 mg tren and my blood pressure is 110/70. I run 5 miles a day 5 days a week.
>>77228902Natties are retarded and believe their favorite actor/influencers are natty. So logically they think natty test levels mean more than they actually do.
>>77228902It's good to know you can keep a certain level of discipline and effort before starting to fraud. Most people I know that started to take stuff on the started fucked themselves.
>>77216463What do you think was the hgh dosage and schedule to this midget from midge to manlet? I've always wondered if I could go back in time as a teenager what I would need to dose to have become 7 foot. No I'm not a teenager asking for advice im a 40 year old heightlet. There's not a ton of info on hgh and height, just info on how to get a turtle gut and look fat.
>>77229070I know I didn't even need the Pic but here it is
>>77229070>>77229075Lionel Messi was diagnosed with GHD, and this is what drugs.com says about using somatropin for that.>GHD: Generally, a dose of 0.16 to 0.3 mg/kg body weight per week is recommended.>GHD: In pubertal patients, a weekly dosage of up to 0.7 mg/kg divided into daily doses may be used.Then here's a paper on prepubertal dosing.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4840766/>high-dose GH therapy (0.1 U/kg; 0.7 U/kg/week),and in this case 3 U ≈ 1 mg, so 0.7 U ≈ 0.23 mg.Then here's a paper about using something else to help improve adult height by delaying epiphyseal fusion.https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/endocrinology/articles/10.3389/fendo.2021.812196/fullBut Ted Cassidy the actor for Lurch on The Addams Family was 6'9" and died at age 46. It's a Faustian bargain/Pyrrhic victory getting that tall.
>>77228703i think what>>77228676 said. hcg + hmg to get things running overtime. i can never figure out hmg dosages though... i most commonly see 75iu, but i think it's 75iu ed, and 10 75iu vials is gonna cost you at least $80. then i think it takes something like nine weeks for sperm to mature, soooo you gonna need at least 63 vials just to barely see its effects. add 30 more for some time to put its effects to good use. that's what... $720+?
How bad of an idea is it to hop on test at a high bodyfat?Lets say 25 - 30I can do 1/2/3/4 for 8+ reps easily so I think I have decent muscular base. I just went to far with the bulk and fucked my shit up.I was thinking about hopping on a TRT+ dose (250 - 300) and just do an aggressive cut down to 15%But I know everyone recommends being at 15 or lower first before even using.Then when I get lean I can think about blasting
>>77229353Do a glp1 and starve yourself while running 200mg max of test, really only need a cruise/trt dose and anything more is gonna give your fat ass estrogen problemsSome fatties need AI for trtBonus points if you add some hgh, like 2iu or so
>>77229129It'd probably be easier just to take a MK-677 pill every day instead of an injection. Especially if there's no real pituitary deficiency.>The OraGrowtH210 trial is a phase 2 dose-finding study in which 81 children with moderate pediatric GH deficiency were randomly assigned to 0.8 mg/kg, 1.6 mg/kg or 3.2 mg/kg ibutamoren or 34 µg/kg recombinant human GH once daily for 2 years.
Should I run one of these weight loss drugs on a tren cutting cycle? I only have like 5 lbs to lose but tren makes me so hangry.
>>77228373Incorrect, it has the biggest effect if your balls are doing fine but something to do with signaling is not working right. Your balls need to work to produce more testosterone, enclomiphene literally wouldn't work if your balls weren't working. If your signaling and balls are working fine you might not get as dramatic of an increase, but it will still work.>>77228902Genuinely good question. People taking shit like Turkesterone to stay "natty" and boost test, except if it actually worked it wouldn't be considered natty. Generally speaking taking anything externally to boost your test is not natty. There's lots of retarded fads like buying cotton underwear etc. If you want to boost your test that bad just take enclomiphene or TRT, simple as.>>77230054The half life of GLP drugs is 1 week and takes about 5 weeks to build up in your system (and thus mostly leave your system). For a 5lb cut it's not really worth it.
>>77230054Test + Reta + Tren unironically is great so far.
>>77220420If youre using t without HCG, youre either a poor, or dont actually care about your body.
>Got sepsis from china gear
>>77230085AIs don’t do shit for me and my balls are still small. But I don’t want to blast test either because then my balls will stop working period. Is enclo the thing for me? Only issue might be its effects on IGF-1
>>77230445Either do it or don't
So how small do your balls get?Cherry size?
>>77230190What's HCG protocol and what does it do? Can i take it by itself?
>>77230562Nah but maybe like half the size they used to be? Maybe a bit more. Idk, visually it looks the same because of the ballsack
>>77230525Did some more research. I’m doing it. 6.25 mg daily seems a good amount >>77230562Grape size
>>77230562Mine got to be about 75% of their original size, but they mainly get sucked into me more than usual, unless I am jerking off or relaxing then they still sag.
>>77230562Yeah like will your newborn nephews mog you or
>>77230445Enclomiphene is great because it makes your balls work more, theoretically improving fertility. For those not looking to commit to TRT, it's great. It's justasgood as TRT for me, some people were saying 150/200 test puts them at around 1000 which 12.5mg enclomiphene did for me. The biggest difference is if you don't sleep or don't eat then you shut down your body's natural production where TRT would just keep it going no matter what. It's possible to take a light TRT protocol to boost results further. For some, TRT cream works without shutdowns, in my case oral TRT doesn't shut me down but puts me in the 1000s.IGF-1 decreases are so small on this drug. My z factor was -0.1 and my levels were mid range on enclo. Take your pick of peptide to make up for that loss if you care that much. Doubling your test will produce far more results than you will lose from the decreased IGF-1.>>77230586Yep that's a good dose. I was on 12.5mg. Started to get insomnia on that dose after a while. Dropped to 6.25mg and was still getting great results (they actually improved). Now I'm on 25mg with oral TRT to prevent shutdown. It's weird because the insomnia side hasn't returned. I can reverse it in about a week so I'll deal with that if it happens. The beautiful thing is I can just not take the TRT and drop the enclo and everything should just keep chugging along.
>>77230586>>77230781And I'd just like to point out, my results on 12.5mg enclomiphene are the same results some of peoples reported cruise doses. With oral TRT even higher. Obviously nowhere close to an actual cycle though. My point is that there are people on here who will say it's not even worth taking, but for me personally it achieves a cruise level of test and the increased strength, muscle mass. motivation, mood, energy to go with it.I think it's a pretty good risk balance for me personally. I'm legally prescribed this stuff, my balls work, if I don't have the money I can come off of it safely.
Wifey wants to get pregnant again so I am hopping off gear (I was running HCG all the time so my balls are not completely shut down)My ball supercharge protocol once the esters clear out:>HCG(2000 IU/week, maybe 3000?)>Enclo 25-50 mg per day>Tamoxifen daily for 4 weeks>Asin 6.25 twice a week>DHEA 100 mg a day>CoQ10 400 mg a day>eat lots of eggs lolAnything that I am missing? The goal is to restore ball function in 3-6 months, get her pregnant then I can go back to BnC
>>77230781What are the tradeoffs choosing between enclomiphene and clomiphene (clomid)? They sound similar, is one stronger or more effective per dollar?
>>7723080625mg produces the max effect on LH. You could try kisspeptin-10 too though with its half life I don't think it will necessarily be effective but worth a shot. >>77230816Never take clomid. It is the older drug that was prescribed and some places still prescribe it. It was originally a women's fertility drug. It is enclomiphene + zuclomiphene, the zuclomiphene being particularly estrogenic. Good in women, bad in men. Higher risk of negative estrogenic side effects taking clomid. I don't think it's particularly cheaper and it's not worth the risk.
Anyone try TM Biowater? Looks like there's another hospira shortage. I have 2 30ml hospiras sitting around so I've got time. But if I won't get gangrene then I might try it. Sick of hospira shortages.
>>77230844I’m still shooting Amazon bac water. Still alive
>>77230822I've seen gonadorelin for sale, but for some reason I didn't find kisspeptin for sale.
>>77230856I love reading Amazon BAC comments and searching for the word burn
>>77230870It should be on many peptide websites. It's not the most critical though. The clinical trials are iffy and they usually drip fed a dose rather than just do a single injection. It does seem to boost LH though.
>>77230822How do people even take short half life peptides like kisspeptin-10, wear an insulin pump 24/7 to drip it in?
>>77230919You would have to do this to replicate the trials. They didn't really compare injecting a certain amount all at once. It seems like there is a limited amount of time you can drip feed it as your body quickly adapts to it and stops pulsing LH. Still, if injecting it does kick off the process to release LH, you might have success using it
>>77230822>Higher risk of negative estrogenic side effects taking clomid.And from a SERM of all things, damn.>Good in women, bad in men.Are there different protocols out there that would be good for promoting ovulation/implantation/female fertility?
>>77231128Reading up more about zuclomiphene because I haven't dove too deep into it and just accepted the explanation that it "caused estrogenic side effects". Pretty neat stuff:Basically clomid is an older medication that was produced with two isomers in it. They didn't have a good way to isolate them nor did they have a reason to. They worked together well in women to boost fertility. By contrast in men the goal is to boost testosterone with leaving estrogen as unchanged as possible and clomid was never meant for that. Enclomiphene blocks the estrogen receptors in the pituitary gland, causing it to release more LH and FSH. This causes your balls to produce more testosterone. Zuclomiphene actually does the opposite, it triggers the estrogen receptors.They are basically doing opposing things, which is kinda crazy to me given they're isomers. I'm guessing that's not always the case for isomers. Anyways the key difference in zuclomiphene is its half life. It's about 30 days so that shit builds up and eventually eliminates the pulsatile nature of your estrogen. Enclomiphene has a 10 hour half life and since it causes pulses in LH and FSH it keeps all the natural rhythm of your hormone production, whereas zuclomiphene fucks with it.As for alternative treatments, I think anything that boosts estrogen, LH or FSH in women would work (like hcg). I remember reading about a drug specifically for FSH but forget the name.
>>772305626 years on gear and they are still too fucking bigabout 70-80% of original size,i do not use hcg for 3 years
I love Tren so mich
Just found out my domestic guy for tirzepitide charged me $500 for 10 months of tirz meanwhile the Chinese sell it for $130. All the guy does is import it, get a janoshik report and off it goes
>>77232199are you just now grasping the concept of international trade and revenue?
>>77232199You’re paying more because the Chinese don’t do reshipments. Or they offer 1 free reship. Your guy has probably had multiple total losses if it was broken on the ship or customs were feeling like assholes and fucked with it
>>77230901You mean in Amazon reviews?Damn looks like they removed all the old listings very recently, and now only these very short-lived new listings exist.Even though BAC isn't a scheduled or prescription regulated drug in any way.
>>77232355It's not a 'drug' technically but>In the United States, bacteriostatic water for injection is classified as a prescription-only product.
anyone familiar with the myostatin inhibitors that are in research rn (bimagrumab, trevogrumab, etc.)?
>>77232199You think testing is free? Just getting basic report is $300 if you want the fancy shit it can go over $1000. For 1 vial. And if you’re not testing your Chinese shit you are retarded
>>77232957They're not running $300 tests on every single 10-vial kit anon. That is not why 4x markup exists.
>>77232957>>77233080yeah they literally only test one vial from an entire batch. good ugl's will test a couple tabs from a batch for variance. most only test active ingredient. very few test for heavy metals. jano charges what... $150? 180?
Can I talk about source?
>>77233218thee engine or Counter Strike?
>>77233251no the defunct Canadian electronics store
i want to start a new cycle, last cycle was in 2024for gain i will use sustanonfor cutting is it better to use winstrol or anavar (both orally)
>>77216463They arrested our guy>>77233635
>>77233218Why don't we have a fraud discord or tg?
>>77226545No, just look at Clav
>>77225742>Most peptides not GLP1 are overrated af.This has been my experience so far. I've tried retatrutide, oral 5-Amino-1MQ and BPC-157, and KLOW.Retatrutide does exactly what it's supposed to. It's effects and side effects are immediate and obvious, undeniable. The other peptides haven't done anything that couldn't be explained by placebo effect.
>>77233756Honestly, a fraud tg is not a bad idea. Got to be done right though.
>>77233756there was a discord but I left it a while ago there was maybe 4 people in it.
>>77229225Yeah I don't see much on the right protocols for it either, and I'm even a little uncertain if all hMG preparations are even a 1:1 FSH/LH ratio or not.>While earlier menotropin medications contained FSH and LH at a 1:1 ratio, the recognition that it is FSH that is critical for follicle stimulation has led to development of newer preparations that contain a much higher FSH/LH ratio, Fertinex being an example.[4]Although, with natural LH having such a short half-life, it might be negligibly different from injecting pure FSH?And FSH + hCG seems like it would be the ideal combination.
>>77231039I don't see many dudes talking about buying an OmniPod for their protocol for some reason.
Its been 2 months since my last blast. I'm now cruising on 140 mg test a week. I've also been cutting since my cruise, on reta at about 1.5 mg E5D. I only eat 1 lb of 99% lean ground turkey and 450 calories of roasted potatoes 2x a day. I've lost 10 lbs in 2 months but my strength is going down, I have barely any motivation to lift, and my sleep is garbage for the last couple weeks. Is this normal after a blast?
>>77235402Yes, especially when cutting dafuq?
>>77233553you have no fucking clue what you're doing, do you?
>>77235402that's a fairly aggressive cut. you're eating fuck all. of course you're gonna feel lousy
>>77234693yeah even the research is all over the place. 75iu/ed... 30iu/ed... 75iu/eod.... 75iu/e3d... nobody knows lol. fertinex sounds pretty sweet though. i'll have to look that up. ty
where does one buy dnp these days?dinitro was the man back in the day before he retired
>>77235477DNP is obsolete with GLPs being a thing. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to lose weight on just that.
>>77235455I wonder if the hMG label is misleading and people are selling recombinant-FSH (rFSH) and LH even though hMG is technically defined as human-originated.Might be why I never see something labeled as (r)FSH for sale.>Recombinant gonadotropins have to a large degree replaced hMG in fertility treatments. The recombinant process allows for the production of pure FSH or LH not "contaminated" by other proteins
>>77235477tranny has raws, but i don't know if they're the crystal or whatever the fuck the difference is
My ex claimed she got dategraped while on a trip. Pretty sure she's just a whore and cucked me. Believe no woman unless there's actual proof. They should be forced to wear bodycams like cops.
>>77236797Yes she is lying to you. They all fucking lie. Never get attached to a foid and treat them like shit.
>>77236797Women unironically are lying cheating do-no-wrong foids. Do not trust them. Focus on yourself and give little attention to people especially women that ask much of you. Big difference between a partner and a whore.
>>77236797Then never report the real rapes to the police but they love reporting fake rapes when it suits them.Happened to me.
Any anons PCT'd after test/tren? I stopped a 12 week tren cycle 2 weeks ago and was intending on stopping test today then doing a normal PCT. But reddit seems to think it's impossible to PCT normally from tren because it stays around so long. That's why i staggered the cycle end so that I'd have a couple of tren free weeks with a test base.
>>77237107why are you stopping? time for a test+tren cruise, my dude
>>77237160NTA but I might toy with the idea of tren cruising after this blast. Week 3 and I am getting those telltale tren signs I love oh so much, when the heartburn is coming back and I’m starting to produce a fuck ton of body heat. I know I am going to be fucking feeling good next week.
>>77237160Always been a cycler. I like one cycle per 1/2 years but like to go back to natty. That said that was my first tren run, i mostly assumed I could PCT as normal.
>1100Eq>900Test>5 pg/mlJoints feel fine and i was tearing up today watching Baki... People forget Boldenone does aromatize
>>77237169>know I am going to be fucking feeling good next week.What's the secret? Tren just makes me really sleepy and hungry.
>>77237387I have schizophrenia and ASD1 so Tren + Test + Weed really fucking rewires my brain to be a god.
>>77236797How long ago was the dategrape claim now? Were you putting her on peptides at the time or did you not even mean to post this in the /fraud/ thread.
>>77216463This guy claims nattyThoughts?
>>77238092Probably. He's got tiny skeleton arms and is basically just good abs with desperate posing.I only say probably because there are plenty of people who fraud badly with no dietary knowledge or exercise commitment and end up dyel regardless.
pinning test into my stomach EOD, thoughts?
>>77238371are you asking for pin locations? or if into stomach is possible? subcutaneous injection above muscle tissue depending on what oil your vial is
>>77238092I say he's lying.
>>77237205ah gotcha. tren is detectable for something like 18 months, but it shouldn't really be effecting you after a few months
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