>Who is /fat/ for?For Beach Bloatlords who are working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.Join our Fatty Contest: https://www.fattycontest.com/>What do I do first?1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros), LoseIt (great for both), or Waistline (FOSS).>Now what?Count calories, all of them.Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.Buy scales, be accurate.Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks.Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. No lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.Drink more water.Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html>DON'TEat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of calories.Eat processed foods.Drink your calories (alcohol, soda, Starbucks).Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks."Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.>Other resources:Loose skin, gynecomastia & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/Reddit Wiki: https://old.reddit.com/r/loseit/wiki/faqPrevious thread: >>77242799
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>>77245592Want good results with low effort? Avoid carbs!
I know I just celebrated losing 100lbs last week, but now that there's only 25 more to go before I'm at 299lbs for the first time in over 10 years, it has me feeling weird mentally.I'm starting to feel like an imposter when I see my own reflection.Anyone else felt this way after a big loss?
>>77245602For much time I thought you were just a mentally ill dude who likes to lie, but now I see you're so much better >>77245599
Threadly reminder, that:WAGMI
>>77245592>Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.What kind of a bastard American measurement is gram per pound? Can we get some real metric measurement in these generals?
>>77245602>Want good results with low effort?Sorry, I want real results.
My mom has lost 40lbs with mounjaro at 70 years old. She's going to last a few more years due that thankfully.>In B4 fearmongering saying it's better she stayed even more obese or she should just tough it out and figure out how to diet when never did entire life.
>>77245615While using medicine is not as good as a proper diet, it's unironically better than just being obese or following a weird cult-like diet.
>>77245609>What kind of a bastard American measurement is gram per pound?Americans can't use normal measure units, but normal people to know can know that 1kg is more or less around 2 mutt pounds. It's like having patience with retarded and children.
>>77245611Better quit carbs ASAP then.Unless you are trying to be a sumo wrestler. Then eat carbs.
>>77245620I don't know if I laugh or cry of the idea of diabetes anon unironically killing himself because of you.
>>77245620What if I want to be able to do some Herculean feats, like enduring a mild walk in the park?
>>77245624If you want to set athletic records eat zero carb.If you want to continue being obese then eat carbs. You won't be setting any athletic records but you can tell other fat people you're eating fattening food for athleticism.
>>77245637Can I eat orange and vanana?
>>77245641Only if you want to fail at your weight loss goals.
>>77245646hmm but I heard these was healthy. what about fries eggplant?
>>77245637>If you want to set athletic records eat zero carb.Then I'll be incapable of even going for a mild walk like you are, kek.No thanks, if I want to basically become a cripple to lose some weight, I'd rather go for medicine. It's healthier.
>>77245646Lost some 20 or so kilos doing a regular diet, gained more than 3 in a month while following "all you can eat" keto.
>doctor trust me nobody can even move physically if they don't eat carbs>your medical advice is wrong I must eat carbs to move
>>77245655Cool story bro. I believe you.Get lean and then you can post body to show us how it is done.
>>77245658Isn't it funny, the schizo who lies more than the talks is the first to call anyone else a liar. Now this is what I call projecting.
>>77245602>>77245620Not one but TWO selfies bought off Fiverr LOL
>>77245650Eggplant seems okay. Some people eat spaghetti squash as a low-carb noodle alternative and it works for them.
>cheetahs actually secretly eat carbs>that's how they run so fast>as a fat person I am an expert in physical activity
>>77245660he's trying to bait people into posting their progress pics so he can relentlessly and obsessively shame them for hours a day. Just filter all of his -isms and images. There's a reason he's here and not in any other thread because he would get mogged into oblivion.
>>77245672So this is the anon who want the diabetic to die?
>athletes get no performance improvement from carbs?>they're probably on steroids anyway>as a fat person I can't even get out of bed without drinking sugar first
>>77245673>he's trying to bait people into posting their progress pics so he can relentlessly and obsessively shame them for hours a dayThere's also this, doesn't he ignore pictures people posted after they got lean and keep posting the same pictures of when they were fat?
>>77245683Get lean and you can post your own pictures.
>>77245690Why do you enjoy demotivating people so much? Do you enjoy that people stay fat?
Tranny keto schizo loving the daily attention
>>77245693Telling people they can succeed very easily with no hunger, no exercise, without measuring any food or tracking it in a diary is not demotivating. It is inspirational.Your terminal carb addiction is a personal problem.
>>77245665not him, how do you guys know its true that he’s apparently buying these photos? it really doesn’t seem that likely
>>77245702They are either severely delusional or they are vegans who come here to police fat people and make sure nobody does low-carb.Vegans are still seething about Dr Atkins. They hate low-carb.
>>77245701>Telling people they can succeed very easily with no hunger, no exercise, without measuring any food or tracking it in a diary is not demotivating.Lying is very demotivating, it makes people stop doing stuff that work when they start to follow a cult-like diet instead. And yes, posting articles by Eenfeldt, a guy who makes a live by writing articles on how keto actually solve all issues without any effort is no different than repeating his lies yourself.
>>77245620>>77245646>>77245656last time i lost weight i lost 97 pounds eating carbs like ramen LMAOSuffah ketofag
>>77245702I think the other anon does this because it makes keto-schizo have a breakdown, it's kinda funny to watch.
>>77245592Where'd you get this picture of me
>>77245702>how do you guys know its true that he’s apparently buying these photos?For a long time only posted the same image from many years ago (see: >>77245707), when asked for a more recent picture he went away for a quarter of a day and went back with two pictures that have a different chin format, biceps length, chest distribution, nipple colours... I think this is why some anons started saying he buys his pictures.
>>77245603At 190 I still felt fat and I was wearing six 50 pants two years priorI don't think that feeling ever goes away
>>77245724>I don't think that feeling ever goes awayIt does go away when you reach a healthy weight. It's one of the best feelings possible.
>tfw next eating window is on Friday;_;
>>77245724Well, at least I'm not alone in this feeling then.I'm happy knowing that I'm almost there, but at the same time, I feel like I'm an imposter wearing a skin suit.Even when I look at my own progression stuff that I've shared here, it doesn't even look like me.
lately my diet has been >1cup of dry quick oats (then cooked) with protein powder for breakfast >7 soft boiled eggs for lunch>1 cup of dry lentils with a pepper (then cooked)its cheap and keeps me full all day Anyone here have a set diet they eat?also how's my diet look, since its like 1,484 cals right now. feels like most days its a hassle to eat so i miss my first couple hours of my eating window (1-8pm)
Stating my sugar purge and holy FUCK I'm bloated with the nastiest farts. I'm tapering off instead if going cold but its a very dramatic shift, from 80g a day to 25g. When does my digestive tract settle?
>>77245729anorexic?
>>77245729Are you sure you'll stick to fasting like this?
>>77245735Nah Rolling 72hrs fasting
>>77245710>last time i lost weightLol. Every time. CICO fails every time.
>>77245739i didnt do cico LMAO try again
>>77245737I will try
>>77245731I eat about 3lbs of kirkland 80/20 beef patties every day. With sauerkraut and usually cheddar. The good cheddar made with unpasteurized milk was out of stock so for now I'm just eating beef with sauerkraut.
>>77245741Ok buddy. You ate carbs and you are fat. Eating carbs means guaranteed failure.
>>77245744I hope your willpower is enough, but if it's not, you can try a more conventional diet as in the OP.>>77245739The schizo who enjoy mocking those trying to lose fat, this is true mental illness.
>>77245751Since we are going with retarded levels of logic, this actually prove that protein is the issue, he ate some protein and got fat, right?
>>77245752If you're eating carbs you're not trying.
>>77245754Protein is slimming. Carbs are fattening.He was bragging about his carb consumption in particular while tacitly admitting he is fat. If you have to lose weight again your diet failed.
>>77245755Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. Reality is calories fatten you, and pity on whoever is as much of a fool as I am to follow your fake diet.
>>77245751i got thin while eating carbs.after i stopped my diet i gained weightwhy wasn't i gaining weight while eating carbs?
>>77245757>He was bragging about his carb consumption in particular while tacitly admitting he is fat.Dude, you need to stop trying to put people on diet down for 17 hours every single day.
In all fairness my diet worked, it was my mind that failed. I got comfortable eating treats and veering away from what I knew was right, and before I knew it I was eating 2-3 sweets a day and half a loaf of bread for breakfast instead of eggs/oats/ yogurt. I just got comfortable. I didn't notice 15lbs of regain. Nobody else seemed to either.
>>77245609We really should use ounces and scientific notation for our food labels. Fuck that yuro gram shit.
>>77245767In the end, any good diet is about is about willpower and persistence.
>>77245760Unlimited calorie low-carb beats restricted calorie with carbs.Carbs make you fat. Calories don't.
>>77245763You lowered your metabolism and increased your hunger until you regained weight. As usual on CICO.>>77245767If it doesn't work long term it didn't work. Nobody includes weight regain in their goals.>>77245772Any good diet is about hormones. Same with pharmaceuticals really. The ones that work are hormones or hormone agonists.
>>77245774i wasn't doing cico though i already said beforeso explain yourself.i already said i NEVER DID CICOyou keep saying the same things over and over.
>>77245773>Unlimited calorie low-carb beats restricted calorie with carbs.Again this study making a claim that is very different from yours? How many times people need to point how your claim is wrong before you stop? 6 times a day?
>>77245774>Any good diet is about hormones. Same with pharmaceuticals really. The ones that work are hormones or hormone agonists.This is only true if you are a weakling who can't stop from eating lots of crap or posting lies on 4chan's /fit/ on every single awaken hours. We are talking about diets for proper humans here, not treatment for the ill and weak.
>>77245777ketoschitzo is BUCKBROKEN since he cant explain this.
>>77245777Do you think that ketoschzio knows what CICO, or keto, or any other of these words means?
All you retards do is talk about ketoschizo. Boring!
>>77245783i think its funny to watch him freak out.
>>77245777Ketoschizo can only keep trying to claim you are lying, kek.>>77245783Seeing him have a breakdown is very entertaining.
>>77245782>Do you think that ketoschzio knows what CICOits starting to make sense now...
>>77245789For what I understand from reading a lot of posts before realizing it's him, he likes to call anything that is not his shitty flavor of keto as "CICO".
>>77245779It shows exactly what I said.Here's another. Unlimited calorie low-carb vs restricted calorie with carbs. Unlimited calorie low-carb wins.
>>77245772Yeah, this time I'm going to stay on top of myself. Is it a birthday in my immediate house? Is it a (real) holiday? Then why am I having a treat? Is it a special occasion? Am I having a moderate portion? >but I'm happy and I'm not fat do I can eat thisIs not a valid answer ever again
>>77245777You ate carbs and you are fat because of it. Carbs are fattening.
>>77245785The bulimic girl was funnier.
Imagine living the frozen tundras on a simple diet of things like oily marine mammals, sea birds, reindeer, roots, berries and the odd treat of honey. Hunting and fishing and foraging. That would be fantastic
>>77245805>It shows exactly what I said.You post this every day, many times a day, you get shown to be wrong, only to post this again. Are you dishonest, dumb or both?>>77245806It's ok, if you're too weak for this, you can always take some medicine or do some weird diet, it'll destroy your body, but it'll help on the short to medium term.
>>77245811I don't think a guy who takes pride in saying he lacks the will to do exercises or eat properly would have lasted more than week in this environment. You're barely good enough to live on modern day 1st world welfare.
>>77245603Are you the guy from Boston?
>>77245815Huh? I don't know what you're talking about anon
>>77245821Yes, that's me.Waiting for some new pants to come in to maybe help with adjusting to the size loss.
>>77245822Aren't you the guy who thinks the very limited diet that made Inuits malnourished are a model to be followed?
>>77245824Big lmao if true
>>77245827Inuit life expectancy in Canada was extremely low during the early-to-mid 20th century, rising from only 29 years in 1941 - 1950 to 37 years by 1951 - 1960.
>>77245812Keep seething.There's about 9 of these studies showing that unlimited calorie low carb gets better results than restricting calories and eating carbs. Here's another.
>>77245824I am a lroponent of moving away from this industrial way of life and returning to the real simplicity of eating as our ancestors did >>77245831Mortality rates by age are very misleading due to infant mortality. The same has been repeated about historical European and other peoples' histories and proven misleading
>>77245831>/fat/>life expectancy generalSure let's talk about life expectancy.Carbs shorten life span. Meat extends life span.
>>77245834>Mortality rates by age are very misleading due to infant mortality.I guess if we outright pretend data on how much Inuits actually lived before the modern age, then we can also pretend their diet was good.
>>77245834Inuit also started eating grain after meeting Europeans. Carbohydrate crops shorten life span. They also started smoking which is probably good for you but can't undo the harm from carbs.
>>77245841>>77245834A clash of schizos.
>>77245832And again, once put against the wall all you can do is name calling, spam and crying. Dude, you're far too weak for either being fit or to post on 4chan.
Oh no carb bros the biggest epidemiology study in the world also proved that carbs kill people.How are we going to shill carbs when the subject is life expectancy?
>>77245835>Sure let's talk about life expectancy.>Carbs shorten life span. Meat extends life span.Inuits are perhaps the only human population to not consume any carb, your brain has been damaged by malnourishment.
>>77245831Oh I'm aware they were a barely surviving people not a thriving people
>>77245844>>77245835>>77245832You really should read the study and ask someone to interpret them for you, since you can't do it yourself, before posting it. But we know you'll not do it, instead you'll just spam and lie.
Ate doner today. I havent had it in years, jogged 2 miles and walked 1 to make up for it. It was worth it but I'm not gonna do something that stupid for a while.
>>77245846>muh inuit>>77245850Don't worry the authors interpret their own study for us. Carbs are deadly poison.
>>77245838As I said, using mortality rates is very pop history, and the point has been rehashed every time it's made - mortality rates is misleading. It's even more misleading considering remote populations where data can be poor.>>77245842In what sense?
>>77245852>Don't worry the authors interpret their own study for us.You should at the very least read what they wrote, before claiming it supports your claims.>Carbs are deadly poison.Repeat a lie on 4chan, 18 hours a day, 7 days a week, and hope someday it stops being a lie :)
>>77245853>As I said, using mortality rates is very pop history, and the point has been rehashed every time it's made - mortality rates is misleading. It's even more misleading considering remote populations where data can be poor.Inuits had very low live expectancy even compared with any other primitive people, I think to this day they hold the record for both the lowest life expectancy and earliest expect death after puberty in human history.
real shit does anyone here actually care about life expectancy? Who the fuck wants to be 90? Honestly who the fuck wants to be 80 unless they're fully active and they just like peacefully dying their sleep or some shit? I don't want to live forever and be some bag of bones that's barely clinging to life and gets thrown into a nursing home I want to be living on my own and fully independent until I just stop living I want to avoid becoming mentally incompetent which does mean limiting sugar but it doesn't mean completely cutting out carbs high sugar damages blood vessels in the brain leading to dementia that's just a fact if we're talking about life expectancy while maintaining health in old age then we can just as easily look at Japanese people the Okinawans live for a long time and not only that they're extremely capable in their old age too well they were until the Americans decided to make a huge military base and open as many golden arches as absolutely possible then the life expectancy starts going down and people start becoming overweight at a rapid pace is this because carbs were introduced no the Japanese eat a shit ton of carbs they don't eat as much protein although Okinawans do eat more protein than other Japanese natives the difference is eating slop very very nutrient void foods that offer you nothing but empty calories in an extremely palatable form so you can overeat and overeat and stay hungry I just want my quality of life to be good I don't care about living forever which means I need a very diet I need healthy sources of fat I need healthy sources of protein and I need good complex carbs that digest over time and I ideally have some nutrients in them that my body can use too. Like the humble potato.
>>77245851Didnt you post this a few days ago
>>77245859Not dying before your late-20s is nice.
>>77245861Or 50s
>>77245864>Or 50sEarly 50s would be true for pretty much any primitive, but we are talking about Inuits, their life expectancy after adulthood was extremely low, ranging between late 20s to early 30s depending on the study.
>Interpretation: High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28864332/Oh fuck carb bros how are we going to spin this explicitly stated "interpretation" directly from the scientific study? Keto schizo is totally fucking us right now we need to regroup and figure out how to ignore the author's interpretation.Maybe if we seethe and cry enough we can get him banned.
>>77245860I could've but I don't remember it. This happened today.
>>77245869And the schizo keeps going. Dude, you already tried this a few hundred times, repeating a lie doesn't make it true, specially if you follow the same script for half a decade.
>>77245866I'm no longer even talking about that at all. I'm just saying, I don't want to live to be this ancient decrepit creature with arthritis in every joint, unable to really move or function very much at all, just to say, well, at least I'm alive. Well, at least I got to see a century, I don't want that at all. I'm not saying that I want to die in my 20s either. I'm not saying that I believe in necessarily following any primitive diet. I just think the modern diet is fucked because it's a lot of slop. It's chemically engineered to keep you hungry and willing to purchase more constantly. That doesn't mean I think we should all be eating raw beef, or I think we should be living off gruel.
>>77245859I am glad you mentioned the Japanese, anon.>higher proportion of animal protein to total proteins>longitudinal increase in intakes of animal foods such as eggs, milk, fish and meat>the proportion of energy from proteins and fats were significantly higher>Intakes of carbohydrates and NaCl were lower.More proof that carbs kill. Meat makes you live longer.
>>77245866you can take any mortality rate from history, medieval England, 1700s north American colonies, anything, and they'll have "mortality" somewhere in the early 30s, because it's all skewed by infant mortality. Doesn't mean the majority of adults drop dead at 33
>>77245872>I just think the modern diet is fucked because it's a lot of slop.Modern diets are really fucked up and are like this on purpose, but most pre-modern diets were also pretty bad, if at least they had the merit of being bad because that's all what they could do with their means.There are some good modern and some good pre-modern diets.
>canned tuna in water 26g protein, 110 cal, micros, $1-2 a can>goypowder isolate 25g protein, 110 cal, no micros, lead depending on how chinese you go, $20 per like 5 servingswhy is whey shit even as hyped as it is? and don't even start with "muh mercury" I sweat fat niggas always have some cope to explain away why every healthy food is actually bad for you.
>>77245871Nice, yeah. Good strategy. Maybe if we are lucky nobody will read the huge highlighted image, the green text, or the link to the scientific paper that proves carbs shorten life span.Keep it up friend we will totally win the argument by acting like blind retards.
>>77245876Have you missed the "life expectancy after adulthood" part or what?
How long can I survive on just twinkies and water?
>>77245880>Reeeeeeeee, if someone read then I'll be proven right>Reeeeeee, look at this, I say this is youYou're called a schizo and liar because of the false and/or stupid stuff you spam, not despite it.The more people take the time to read your stuff, the more they say you're full of shit. You are far better at the empty namecalling than you're at trying to argue.
>>77245885It depends on how many twinkies you eat. According to the scientific studies eating fewer will be better for your health because they have carbs. Carbs are deadly.
>>77245885Survive as in not die? Or as in not get crippled by malnourishment?
>>77245885the infamous twinkie diet study was done by a bloatlord "health" professor that had 30% bodyfat and drank protein shakes + multivitamin to not be malnourished and lost a whopping 9% which he would've doing anything else. Don't do that stupid shit if that's what you're thinking.
>>77245880When some anon say you should read what you're post before posting it and claiming it says something, it's because some anon read it and are saying you're wrong.>>77245879Whey is convenient, you pay for this.
>>77245889Another unrelated post, another lie, another attempt at shilling. Is your brain damaged?
>>77245891It wasn't a study. He didn't publish anything. Coca-Cola paid him to claim he lost weight eating sugar. The sugar industry has a long history of calorie shilling.
>>77245893>Whey is convenient, you pay for this.I get you, but you can just crack the can of tuna and eat it. doesn't get much more convenient than that.
>>77245898>It wasn't a study.It was far more of a study than anything the ketoschizo posts.The guy at least did a test, instead of making claims at random.
>>77245893>anonymous obese man on 4chan says the authors interpretation of their own study is wrong>refuses to elaborateYes we are definitely winning the argument. Great work carb friend.Everyone is going to eat carbs and be fat like us.
>>77245900At least in my experience, eating a lot of protein from tuna, pork or cow a few hours before exercising make it very hard to exercise. This is a very niche case, but otherwise you're right, whey is very overpriced.
>>77245903>Yes we are definitely winning the argument. Great work carb friend.>Reddit space>Everyone is going to eat carbs and be fat like us.More empty name calling? Can't you do something else after your pre-scripted shilling goes out of the rails? You really makes me think the people claiming long-term keto damages the brain are right.
>>77245881Heres some other "parts">Canada (2011 Data): Life expectancy at age 1 for Inuit males was 70.0 years and for females was 76.1 years. This is significantly lower than the non-Indigenous population at age 1 (81.4 for males, 87.3 for females).>Inuit Nunangat (Canada): The overall life expectancy in Inuit regions is approximately 70.8 years.>Greenland: Average life expectancy at birth for Inuit men is approximately 60.3 years, though adults who survive the high-risk young adult years often live into their 70s or older.Even if this data could be accurate, it seems pretty good to me
>>77245901Nothing was tested. It was a media marketing campaign.However anons in this very thread have tested different diets. In testing, an unlimited calorie zero carb diet works best. Pic related.
>>77245910That's a lot of Reddit spacing, but I stopped reading at (2011 data), are you trying to say modern day Inuits, following a modern diet, are representative of pre-modern Inuits?
>>77245907You don't have to convince me any further. I am eating carbs right now carb friend. The fatter we get the more we destroy keto schizo.
>>77245905I get most of my protein in breakfast and dinner, and exercise between lunch and dinner so I didn't even think of that. that's makes sense everyone got a different schedule. I eat both but I don't think I'm gonna re-up on powder once this one runs out.
>>77245911>However anons in this very thread have tested different diets. And here comes the dumb-dumb. I'm pretty sure at least half a dozen different anons told you they lost weight with healthy diets (CICO) and didn't become unfit in the process. Why do you ignore what people say and try to claim they said what you wanted them to say?
>>77245916>Reddit spaces and sarcasmFor someone who has done this for every single awaken hour for the last half a dace you're surprisingly incompetent. >>77245917Even if for some weird reason you had to eat right before exercising, you could go for chicken. Whey is really overpriced, I guess some people just really prefer how it taste.
>>77245923>Whey is really overpricedyeah that's really the crux of my bitching. I wish it wasn't so overhyped so it can go back to being reasonably priced. bloatlords have convinced every DYEL and their mothers that you need to consume 200g protein daily or NGMI so we might be stuck with these prices for a while.
>>77245914You cannot give me an accurate study of historical inuit mortality rate that isn't pop history mixed with infant mortality, using unreliable methods, evidenced by you thinking Inuits died on average in their late 20s >Are they repesentative of historical Inuits Not entirely, they have been penetrated by the agri-grain empire to some degree, but it's still much better to live a semi ancestral life and live to 60 than a total industrial slave hooked to ventilators and harvested like the crops you eat.
>>77245933To be fair, 2g of protein for kilo of your ideal weight is pretty much the ideal to grow muscle. Also, isn't albumin (egg protein if you're American) cheaper?
>>77245879Quark is quite cheap. ~2.5€/100g of protons. Mostly casein.
>>77245937i can pretend that 2011 Inuits are the same of Inuits of old, it's lying but it should make you happy
>>77245885A man ate only twinkies for 6 months, this is what happened to his body
>>77245939One study says 1.3-1.8g/kilo for athletes, higher end if you're cutting is optimal. Most people have taken that to mean 1g/lb of lean mass or 2g/kilo of lean mass because athletes are pretty lean. Frankly if I ate my bodyweight lbs in g of protein I would never lose weight. I feel people obsess over it a little too much and I feel like it holds some people back because they're obsessing over the protein count when in reality they're probably getting more than enough for what they're doing. But what do I know? I never truly made it, I just read the numbers and I do my best. >>77245940I'm in burgerland we don't have that. I do eat greek yogurt and theres this super filtered one which is about the same count in calories and protons.
>>77245880>The relationship between macronutrients and cardiovascular disease and mortality is controversial. Most available data are from European and North American populations where nutrition excess is more likely, so their applicability to other populations is unclear.>Most available data are from European and North American populations where nutrition excess is more likely>nutrition excess is more likelythanks for making a point for a balanced diet>>77245911>In testing, an unlimited calorie zero carb diet works best.>unlimited calorie>zero carbtwo lies.you eat carbs, are not only restricted in calories, but the cause of your diet is sedentary life and propably many ailments you do your best to maskyour the most restricted person here, even more than the diabetic anonpost what's under that black shirt
>>77245941Again, the estimated pop history medieval European mortality rate was 30. The early 1800s US rate was 35-40. Do you think the majority of adults dropped dead around those ages? No, most lived into the 50s, 60s, 70s. Be smart
>>77245950>Frankly if I ate my bodyweight lbs in g of protein I would never lose weight.This is usually done with lean meats for a reason.This is assuming you want to be an athlete with a TDEE made higher by exercise and optimizing his diet. But for a bit of math 100 g of chicken breast has 31 g of protein and 165 calories, if you aim to weight 70 kg, the average healthy weight for a 1,78 m (5'11) guy, you'll 140 g of protein a day or 400 g / 660 kcal of chicken breast. If you just want to lose weight and gain some basic level of fitness, setting a goal of 1.5g/kg protein is more than enough.
>>77245953Don't the post explicitly mentions age expectation after someone becomes an adult?
>>77245957>TDEE made higher by exerciseAdditive DEE is a myth.
Stop talking to the schizophrenic…..
>>77245960>fat anon cites his own 4chan posts as evidencekek
>>77245951>and propably many ailments you do your best to maskHe doesn't hide he's too unfit to do any form of exercise, not even go for a walk in the park, tho. >77245961Again this fake chart done by a guy who is mocked by everyone for making up his own theory and how calorie consumption should work and try to push it as "real by default"?
>>77245962That'll never happen. They can't help but bite bait and newbz will always good faith reply
>>77245962>Stop talking to the schizophrenic…..Schizophrenics, there are two of them. Strangely both support a very similar diet.
The bloatlord is down from his highest weight yall!https://youtu.be/aO3lRQvXBwk
finals week is killing me manim too stressed over exams to stress over dieting, im eating like 3k+ a day. not excited to see how much i'm going to gain from this all :[
>>77245957I already shoot for 135g protein daily. and yeah that's about my target weight.
>>77245971Me but moving and I have to pack up my whole kitchen
Be it as it may, I may mog all of youhttps://youtu.be/aO3lRQvXBwk
>>77245978>He's not one of the handsome anonsBrother...
>>77245981He’s definitely the most handsome
>>77245981I'm not clicking that but how ugly?
>>77245972>I already shoot for 135g protein daily.It will be a bit harsh, but ifWith chicken (breast) it be should be 31 g of protein and 165 calories for each 100 g, or 718 if you only eat beef.With tuna it be should be 29 of protein and 130 calories for each 100 g, or 600 calories if you only eat tuna.With it be should be 32 g of protein and 271 calories for each 100 g, or 1138 if you only eat beef.With pork it'll be hard to do it.The rest you fill with carbs and fats, ideally fats.
>>77245984that one guy whos posted his face multiplle times is more handsome icl
>>77245978Inb4 the whites are afraid of brownmaxx genetics
>>77245972>>77245986>With chicken (breast) it be should be 31 g of protein and 165 calories for each 100 g, or 718 if you only eat beef.With chicken (breast) it be should be 31 g of protein and 165 calories for each 100 g, or 718 if you only eat chicken .If you pick chicken for a day, you eat 435 g (0.95 pounds) and your TDEE - 718 in other stuff.
Every one of us has the spirit of the hunter within, ready to be nurtured, yet we've been turned into cattle by industrial society. The souls of our ancestors cry out over what we have become.
>>77245994Do you do any activity or exercise to work this "the spirit of the hunter within"?
>>77245984Nah I'm kidding he's got potential, just being a bit of a dick for a cheap laugh. Sorry homie.
>>77245986Yeah I've been on this for a while, eggs, yogurt, oats/potatoes/rice, tuna, chicken, and whatever meat is on sale. Fun stuff is fruits and veg, salads with light dressing I make myself. I can eat boring, it's no trouble. I can't care enough to cook/eat a pound of chicken a day but thats what I got tuna and yogurt for.
>>77245989I think there's a difference, though. That anon you can tell was already handsome, the fat is just in the way while >>77245978 is being held back by the shape of his facial features
>>77246003>I can't care enough to cook/eat a pound of chicken a day but thats what I got tuna and yogurt for.It's a bit dull to measure stuff, but it works. Finding what you enjoy eating helps a lot.
>>77246006>by the shape of his facial featuresHis cheeks and chin bone structure are really good.
>>77246009That's fair, I was focused on the big nose tbf
>>77246003>oats/potatoes/rice
>>77246015Same nose, no?
>tfw thread crush hasnt posted a pic in a whilehm
Alright guys, what should I do if I want to lose weight and get better at running?
>>77246053Lose weight and train
>>77246055I know, but what diet to lose weight? Should I start running while I'm still obese, won't I hurt my knees?
>>77246053you will naturally get better at running as you lose weight. you can accentuate this by actually training by running, jogging, or walking. Whatever you think you're ready for. If it hurts, go slower even if that means walking, run on less harsh terrain, make sure your shoes aren't killing you. Pain is bad, exhaustion is ok. >>77246056>obesewalk. you will get cardio gains even from just walking and yes you will hurt your knees if you run or even jog too long while too overweight.
>>77246058Thanks.
>>77246059No worries, good luck on your path wanderer.
I have gone to the gym every single day for about 40 days. In March I went to the gym over 90% of days in the month too. My CNS is definitely absolutely completely fried. I have been doing a lifting day, cardio day then lifting day then continuing this rotation for a while. For a good part of this I have been enhanced in some form but not all of it I could physically handle this and I do see progress but I feel like absolute shit mentally most of the time, I grunt often when lift, I am pressuring myself a lot and I assume cause I am drained not just due to pushing self and I feel flatish I have a long history of depression and mental health issues so the fact I got back in the gym now and could exercise consistently makes me want to get results now, not let up any days cause I fear I'll give up again and fail and fall out of the routine and I feel so behind from where I want to be too. I was very over weight late last year and getting my life back together nowBut I am definitely holding myself back by over working myself like this. While my muscles can handle it by nervous system definitely cannot. So my plan now is to take a day off every week. Going to skip gym tomorrow and Sunday then from there take Sundays off every week.
>>77246068Do you eat properly?
>>77246044Which anon you caught the gay for?
>>77246074i dont want to scare him away in case he’s here
Is anyone else unable to even taste most foods unless they’re extremely sweet, spicy, or pungent?
>>77246072Yes. I track everything I eat with chronometer every single day. My macros are roughly 210 protein 190 carbs 50ish fats a day. Bit I lift every time for 2 hours or so with 30+ sets. On cardio days I do around 70 or 80 minutes on a treadmill as well.Everything I am doing I have spent many hours optimizing and I have made progress of course but I have consistently felt worse mentally thru it from over working myself.
>>77246068Sometimes forcing yourself to do nothing is the hard part. Make sure you treat yourself well on your day off, anon.
>>77246081Used to be like this, after a couple of weeks of eating normally I became normal agian.
>>77246079NGL I'm not as regular as I used to be but justtt about every anon I saw on here with 2 exceptions was just as fat ugly and creepy as you'd expect. Yakuza anon was attractive and that one Sgt DD214 anon in khaki shorts, but I remember cabin anon...
>>77246079Coward lol Is it someone who hides face
>>77246098no he shows his face, he’s regarded as pretty handsome by others anons, not just me he showed me his moobs last time i saw him here>>77246094>but I remember cabin anon...go on..
I maxed out my calorie tracker two days running and I only ate 1500kcals today!Im very proud of myself.
I quit drinking last week, so I might as well finally lose some weight. My appetite is wrecked from the withdrawal, plus I'm prescribed Adderall, so I've been eating OMAD. I counted the calories one day, and it was barely 700. How long does starvemaxxing take to notice any real difference?
>>77246089Quitting sugar for nearly a year at this point hasn’t helped. At this point I’ve replaced my sugar cravings with foods that reek which is fine when it’s fermented vegetables or fish but I know the dairy products are making an impact on my progress.
>babe we should lose some weight were getting chunky>REEEEE I GOT FAT HOW COULD YOU NOT TELL ME WHY DID YOU LET THIS HAPPEN WHY DIDNT YOU TELL NE I WAS FAT SOONER>You... Have eyes? And I did say you were gaining a bit a little while ago.>BUT YOU DIDNT SAY I WAS FAAAAT>Its like, 5-8kg? Its not that bad we can fix this easily over 3 months>NOOO I WANT IT FIXED NOOOOW IM NOT EATING FOR THE NEXT 2 WEEKS:^|
>>77246105Can't you just replace these food that doesn't do you much good with stuff that do you good?
just had a massive bowl of ground beef veggies and riceand because im sick I couldnt taste any of itshould've just kept fasting
>>77246104Pretty quickly, just make sure you're taking a multivitamin and eating a decent bit of protein
>>77246112Fasting while sick is no good. Even harsh religious rules tell you to eat when sick.
>>77246101Oh I know who you are talking about I agree, I think he’s handsome though I get the impression he doesn’t think so
>>77246101Cabin Anon was a fat bald retard that posted about living in a shack. He was always online, like always always, I'm pretty sure I remember him failing to make a lot of progress or not making a ton of progress. And generally speaking, he just annoyed a lot of other anons. And he liked grossing them out for some reason. Posted his feet and his enormous hairy gut.
>>77246118whered he go? what happened to him
>>77246119He stopped posting because anons were mean. There was also some kid that kept gaining weight and blaming creatine who went to plebbit and said we were too mean
Going on vacation soon how do I lose water wieght and make sure I'm not bloated in these last two weeks before I go?
>>77246123Water weight is pretty much irrelevant.
How do I become skinny fat?
>>77246127why would you want that?
>>77246127>How do I become skinny fat?Follow a ketogenic diet for a long period of time.
>>77246127Be as inactive as possible and eat all carbs. You may eat SOME dairy but keep it high sugar.
>>77246127Zero exercise, any diet.
>>77246133It doesn't matter what you eat, as long as you are inactive you'll be skinnyfat.
>>77246118Only correction that he was making good progress doing pretty strict and bizarre omad. He was pretty annoying and gross but did start to grow on you. You’d run into his hot sauce threads on /ck/ and things like that. He posted asshole and got banned a while ago but I think he came back after that, not sure what happened to him. Speaking of keto schizos, anyone remember the justmeatfishbuttereggs (or something like that) guy? The ~400 pounder who insisted he just needed to reset his appetite or something? Lmao
Why is there two generals up, you fat fucks.I crashed on my diet. Hard. I got a respectable 13 days in before caving and having Chinese on a low carb diet. I tried to brush it off as a cheat meal despite not making it 2 weeks in bti I've given it up almost entirely now.I have peanut butter cookies and a popsicle today and I've had like six cans of pop in the past three days. It's not over because I barely even started. Hell, I was doing better about not drinking pop before I even started dieting. I could cope for a number of reasons: I was being healthy, this is a minor setback. I've been walking more, nine miles on Monday in under 2 and half hours. I still workout at home, ect ect. Hopefully, I can finally get my shit together and practice some actual follow through on self-discipline but I know I'll be back here again wishing I'd done things different.
>>77246146>Speaking of keto schizos, anyone remember the justmeatfishbuttereggs (or something like that) guy? The ~400 pounder who insisted he just needed to reset his appetite or something? LmaoHe was kinda of funny, far better than the schizo we have now.
>>77246146OH YEAH HIS SHITHOLE POSTING I FORGOT
>>77246148>having this garbage in your house to begin with
>>77246148Peak in difficulty of willpower sticking to an eating habit or diet comes at, funny enough, about the 2 week mark. If you make it past that you can keep going indefinitely. Try again and just do what you can to completely stay avoid those temptations, especially in the second week
>>77246148>>77246223This guy has it right. If it's not in your house, you can't eat it. Even if you're used to DoorDash or UberEats, having that barrier of both higher cost and wait time adds a significant mental hurdle.Throw out all your garbage. DO NOT BUY STUFF """"""""FOR EMERGENCIES"""""""". That is your fatty brain planning on quitting before you even start. There is no emergency. There will be no emergency.
Binged yesterday for a total of 3600kcal, I hate my stupid monkey brain. I need to find a way to completely block food delivery apps. Going to do 48h fast now.
>>77245823how many calories are you eating again and what do you eat day to day? do you have any cheat meals/day and how often do you do that?
>>77246127>Keep body fat above 15%>Absolutely dont lift weights or follow an optimal hypertrophic routine >Get insufficient protien for optimal hypertrophyDo the opposite if your goal is not to look like shit.
>>77246266Going from one extreme to another is a bad habit. Consistency is key. You're conditioning yourself not to "make up" for lapses, but to excuse lapses with fasting. E.g. your brain is going to soon think it's okay to binge because you'll just make up for it later, and sooner rather than later your fasting will not keep up with your binging.Stay as consistent as reasonably possible. If you fuck up, don't freak out. Just continue your diet as normal. You're only set back by like a week at best, dude.
>>77245656but his argument is always from a certain angle, the hardcore athleat one. never the normal person who doesn't lift super hard nor roons.
>>77246112You should eat while sick.
Just farted like crazy last night and woke up to a much flatter stomach, is this the method?
Fatty Contestbulkmode127kg
>>77246123cut out carbs and you'll drop several pounds of water weight in a week
Should I just cave in and get some protein powder? Feel like it's near impossible to be eating 1400cal a day but still consistently hit over 100g of protein unless that's all I'm eating. Always worried that it will make whatever I'm cooking for myself taste like shit.
>>77246467if it helps you maintain your diet then yes
Should sprints be avoided past a certain weight?
>>77246489yes. jogs too.
>>77246529what weight then? dont fat people have strong legs ?
>>77246537not enough to mitigate increased stress on the jointseven bodybuilders rarely sprint as cardio for a reason
>>77246537>what weight then?go by BMI. no more than 30 and that's pushing it. i personally wouldn't roon above normal BMI.
>>77246489201 lbs
my potbelly is so fucking disgusting
>>77246583Move more, eat less and stay consistent to make it cope, seethe, ree and an hero
>>77246133>Be as inactive as possible and eat all carbs. You may eat SOME dairy but keep it high sugar.wtf based
I lost 20lb on a 500 kCal deficit, which was my goal. I got here and I still don't have visible abs, so I decided to cut another 10, but suddenly my weight lost has halted altogether. I weigh everything and haven't really changed anything.What gives? What do?
todays meals:Instant coffee teaspoon filled to brimcaffeine pill 100mgmonster zero ultraInstant coffee teaspoon filled to brimnicotine spray, 1 press
Exercise done for the day, 2 rest days coming up as well. Can't wait for my meal later on it'll feel like heaven.
>>77246718Work out
>>77246739Currently doing resistance training 3 times a week and have been for much much longer than the cut.
>>77246733As much as I love coffee, nicotine feels like the only thing that helps with ADHD, yet I'm not addicted and smoke it once every few months
>>77246750That's your problem. Unless you're going through menopause or chemo, you should be lifting more than three times a week, homo
anyone else who feel like their performance actually is increasing during the diet due to the fact that they are eating regular meals instead of binging
What if you just did burpees only
Guys, I lost 8kg in the last 2 months. Cardio was a game changer for me. Of course I also had to adjust my diet, but because of doing cardio 1 hour everyday i could eat plenty sweets and snacks within my calorie goals. It took me 5 years to find a method that finally worked. I am so happy guys. Never stop trying.
>>77246777somewhat. some days I'm just dead tired though
>>77246718"visible abs is just being lean" is dyel cope. you do have to train even if its just planks and a crunch variation
>>77246841I do hanging leg raises and cable crunches at every workout.
>>77245615Happy for you anon
I think ketoschizo might be on to something. Picrel is me (1/26, 147lbs 5'9") at my lowest doing CICO. Ended up rebounding 20lbs back when my coach told me to increase my carb intake. Now I'm trying to generally keep under 50g carbs and eat more eggs and have lost 5-6 lbs in the past two weeks with significantly less willpower required. 1hr treadmill 8.0 incline 3.2 speed. 2250-2500cal. Thanks ketoschizo, gonna keep trying it out
>>77246942forgot to post pic
>>77246947too bad your coach didn't tell you to lift
>>77246942>>77246947What were you at your biggest?
>>77246942Just remember that long-term keto will poison your body.
>>77246942i wish i could eat eggs again
>>77246942>Ended up rebounding 20lbs back when my coach told me to increase my carb intake.When you decided to increase your carb intake did you also decided to give up your diet? >1hr treadmill 8.0 incline 3.2 speed.Also, why do you have a coach when you are only doing some treadmill cardio?
>>77246942My dude, if you have a coach I'll assume you practice some sport, are you really willing to give up on the sport you practice to lose some weight without having to use some willpower?
Gaining 20lbs without weight training aka letting go
>>77246777Yeah also my testo is getting up due to the adipose tissue loss
>>77247023>Gaining 20lbs without weight training aka letting goAre you the same anon as in this post? >>77246942
>>77247023>Gaining 20lbs without weight training aka letting goWasn't it because "when my coach told me to increase my carb intake"?
I've been averaging around 1100 kcal the last 6 days, no carb high protein and not feeling hungry at allI know it is just a whoosh of water weight, but feels good seeing the scale drop over 3lbs in that timeHoping to keep it rolling for 3 months or so and I should be around my goal weight@205 and goal is 179lbs
>>77247034It was due to going above your TDEE for several weeks in a row. You challenged?
>>77247035Good for you, with a diet of 1100 kcal and weighting 205 pounds, losing 3 pounds in a week is expected, it should be real loss, not water loss.
>>77247039So wait, did your coach told you to increase your carb intake or did you simply stopped doing exercises?
>>77247018This story is very weird.
>>77247043Fingers crossed it goes well, I've been doing long fasted walks on the weekend too, last weekend I got 16 miles in.Down 80 lbs since december 2023 (spent a few months here and there at maintenance for health reasons), kicking it into overdrive now to hit the final goal
With keto can people give me some ideas for meals, how do you manage your nutrition intake with things like veggies etc?
>>77246942Is that 8.0 incline %? Or just "setting 8". I have a treadmill that was advertised as going up to 12% but actual measurement is 8% on max incline. And let me tell you, 3.2 at 8% for an hour is no fucking joke.
>>77247059Do you have any really urgent reason to lose weight?We can suggest you to follow a healthy diet that will allow you to be fit instead, it'll do you good in the long run.
>>77247059I take dessicated beef liver capsules as a multivitamin and basically only eat spinach, broccoli/cauliflower, some onions/garlic, and peppers for veg because low carb and I like them
>>77245592Tell me, bros, is fat loss plateau a real thing? Or is my "cut" which has me hungry all day every day and walking 12000 steps at incline every day just my new maintenance? Because I think the latter will kill me.
>>77247057Just remember that losing weight is a about persistence and long term effort, a milder diet you can follow for a long time is far better than something more extreme that you can only follow for a couple of weeks. If you can follow this 1100 kcal/day diet, then you'll lose weight relatively fast.
I gained weight after someone told me to eat more food. Thought?
>>77247068You can always estimate your TDEE (the OP has a good tool for this) and measure how many calories you're eating everyday, if both match then your weight will be a plateau.It should still be possible to lose fat and gain the same amount of muscle in this situation, assuming you're following a diet that allows for muscle gain.
>>77247074Sound like this proves CICO is actually not real and that he needs keto, doesn't it?
>>77247071All the times I went on maintenance I was able to keep within a lb of my starting weight over a 1-3 month period.Alcohol was always the reason I overate, and that is much more under control. I wasn't always fat and have a fairly normal relationship with food I think, barring with alcohol. I only went keto for the first 3 months to kick off dieting, and now the last 3onths to end it, most of the weight loss was normal eating.
>>77247078Hmmm deep. Shawn Bakers triangle scheme should know the answer
>>77247064I've been doing CICO at 1400calories while doing exercise 4 times a week but I want to just drop the final bit of fat because I'm so disgusted with my belly it's unreal. All the keto posting in the thread has me convinced.>>77247067Seems like the only veg I'd need to cut out would be the sweetcorn, peas and beans. What kind of meals do you like to have?
>>77247080Shawn bakers the so called athlete who managed to reduce his testosterone levels to <250 by following a cult's diet?
>>77247079>I only went keto for the first 3 months to kick off dieting, and now the last 3onths to end it, most of the weight loss was normal eating.Very well done, I'm happy for you my friend.
Sudden influx of retardation.
>>77247089>I've been doing CICO at 1400calories while doing exercise 4 times a week but I want to just drop the final bit of fat because I'm so disgusted with my belly it's unreal. All the keto posting in the thread has me convinced.You doesn't sound very honest. But lets get a proper reply. First, if you have built some muscle over months, you really shouldn't throw them away by following a ketogenic diet only to lose a few final kilos.Second, a ketogenic diet is (or at least used to be) very useful when you need to lose a lot of weight and stop being obese, but it's a terrible choice for maintaining a good form. If your goal is to keep a good looking and healthy body, you shouldn't follow a diet that will harm you in the long term.
>>77246972I was lifting the entire time, 2 hours 6 days a week. The problem was that as I ate more carbs all I could think about was eating. Dieting down to 147 with a lot carbs was unsustainable for me. All I could think about was food noise. I was literally eating mustard by itself because I wanted to stay within calorie range. Now I don’t have anywhere near those same cravings and I’m still losing weight.
