>Who is /fat/ for?For Desert destroyers who are working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.Join our Fatty Contest: https://www.fattycontest.com/>What do I do first?1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros), LoseIt (great for both), or Waistline (FOSS).>Now what?Count calories, all of them.Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.Buy scales, be accurate.Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks.Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. No lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.Drink more water.Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html>DON'TEat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of calories.Eat processed foods.Drink your calories (alcohol, soda, Starbucks).Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks."Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.>Other resources:Loose skin, gynecomastia & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/Reddit Wiki: https://old.reddit.com/r/loseit/wiki/faqPrevious thread: >>77259350
ever since I started the diet I've almost completely lost my libido and I'm also a lot more depressed than usual.over status?
>>77263690What is your diet like?
>>77263680Well I'm fucking trying man, give me a break.
>>77263690Increase fats, you're probably nuking your T production by not eating enough fats. Both of those symptoms are indicative of low T.Fats should always be like 20~30% of your total calories.
>>77263694
>>77263692I eat like 300/400 calories one day(one mozzarella) and then around 1000/1500 every other day, I don't weight everything carefully cause I have very little motivation in general t b h, I just kinda cook one meal and call it a day.I know this is retarded but the thought of programming everything like I did in the past feels impossible right now.
>>77263702thank you, I'll try adding more fats
>got to 20 pushups today>felt proud of myself>then I read that 40 is the minimum to even be considered human >also I'm probably doing them wrongI just wanna give up this shit is too blackpilling
>>77263727Stop comparing yourself to others like that. Focus on your own growth and journey.
>>77263727the real blackpill is doing push ups while not lifting even more weight with your back muscles will cause your shoulders to round.
>>77263736This raises a bigger point, everything is so fucking complicated. I feel like a need a degree to understand it all. You'd think weight loss/muscle growth would be so simple, just calories in calories out, be active and don't eat too much, but NOOOO! You can't just work out, you need to do these exact things on these exact days, and you can't even work out every day because that's wrong too, and even if you do it all right, it won't even matter because your metabolism is fucked anyway so you need to work three times as hard as a normal person for same result, and it all just seems futile and pointless
Thoughts on the LYLE MCDONDALD fat program
>>77263676Remember to never eat carb, anons.
>>77263750get this negativity shit out of here
>>77263758As usual he's right about everything.
I do better on less carbs. So what
>>77263750it initially can feel difficult to parse this kind of info because people have lots of different opinions on these things that they feel strongly about (and some people make money off convincing others to agree with them)but you don't need to remotely be getting everything right to be making progress20 bad form pushups is still infinitely better than 0 pushups, now try for 20 good form pushups
>>77263768Thank you for proving that vegans monitor this thread to sabotage people's weight loss by throwing tantrums over low-carb advice.
>>77263758Who?
>>77263787Keto fags are equally retarded as vegans.
>>77263715This sort of very harsh diet is very bad for your healthy. Losing libido and a hundred of other small stuff are just the begining.
>>77263810This is what we get when a shitty cult gets built around an unhealth ideological diet.
Remember fat bros, you can do this. Its slow, it sucks, but the weight is coming off. Your man titties are slowly but surely disappearing. Every day that you keep your head in the game and the fork out of your mouth you're another little bit closer. Do it for your future, do it so in a month, 6 months, a year from now you can look in the mirror and like what you see. Your quality of life will improve in ways you've never even thought about. I believe in all of you bros. WAGMI.
>>77263768So true
>>77263773>but you don't need to remotely be getting everything right to be making progressThe amount of effort you'll put in for the amount of results you'll get will be pretty low, tho.
Are fish any good for protein?
>>77263854You can pick the type of fish you want to eat and search for it + protein on google. Anything above 25% is very good.
>>77263854mercury poisoning.jpg
>>77263810Keto is for healthy weight loss. Veganism is for exterminating humans.
>>77263866>Keto is for healthy weight loss.There's nothing healthy about keto, tard. It's fast, but it fucks your body pretty hard.
>>77263750this but unironically
Am I allowed to eat fast food goyslop once(1 day) a week and still make progress?
>>77263884Of course anon, everything in moderation is fine
New low
>>77263884Goyslop low calorie okGoyslop high calorie not ok
>>77263884I had a doner kebab this week, they really loaded up the meat so I had to split it over Monday and Tuesday, I still think that with me eating my deficit I'll be doing decent this week even though not as good as just doing only the deficit. Stay the course and stick to your plan and it will all work out in the end, just never allow yourself to give up on things completely and always return to working towards your goal.
>>77263892That's what we love to see anon, well done.
>only 6 days of hard deficit left before the holidaysthis fucking fat better melt so i look at least lean-ish on the beach
So im 5'10". I was 290 lbs last year and now I am 215 lbs. The transformation in the mirror is terrific. Now my question is does the transformation from 215 to 175 look even better? Does the face thin out even more? Cause even though im a lot healthier, I am still fat. Also my penis looks a lot bigger when it isnt cold or post workout.
>>77263868Keto is the healthiest human diet. Especially clean keto/carnivore.
>>77263892Congrats. I hope to join you in half a year >>77263941
>>77263884Of course. I tried that new McDonald's burger the other day. Not worth it but I had it and stayed under my calorie limit for the day. Just plan what you eat you will be fine.
>>77263892What's your height?
>>77263829Thanks bro. Im going to make it
>>77263942You lie too much, first it was the liver king, now you keep posting this tren dude.
>>77263727The weights are there for one reason: to bring you to muscular failure or within muscular failure to trigger muscle growth. The only reason u go up in weight is so you don't have to do more then 8 to 10 reps before that happens. So the weights serve you, they are a means to an end and not a score board don't be a powerlifting retard
>>77263736what does this mean?
>>772639505'11"165.4 naked.
>>77263941>Now my question is does the transformation from 215 to 175 look even better? Yes>Does the face thin out even more?Yes
>>77264012So you're literally at a healthy bmi. You're not fat anymore
>>77264021I am 16% body fat. That's still fat.See?Progress still to be made.
>>77264027>haha yes I'm so fat>look at how "fat" I amIf you want a compliment just ask, fishing for them is tacky
>>77264030I am not at goal. I will lose more weight, despite faggotry from dorks like you.
>>77264027You're a human though. You could easily get a gf. You can go to the beach topless and no one would question it
My lunch 55 days a week is ground turkey on a low calorie torilla. In the hopes of shutting down the hungries, I'm starting to add a whole mess of shredded cabbage to that. Wish me luck. I have to do something, I'm just always hungry as fuck.
>>77264027That's loose skin bro, only surgery will fix it.
>>77264004there is a resting muscle tone. the muscle is partially engaged even when you're fully relaxed. doing only chest exercises will make the pec stronger and its resting strength will be more than the resting strength of the back muscles.the shoulder is attached to the front (mainly chest) muscles and back muscles, its resting position "moves" depending on which muscle is stronger.
>>77264047>You can go to the beach toplessWrong. I would sunburn.
>>77263884depends on many things. i can't do cheat meals because it only gets me to consoom more of it.
>>7726402716% is not fat
>>77264062Wrong. Anything above 12% is fat.
>>77264050If he keeps the weight off and stays 160ish for a year 90% of that will go away on its own. Surgery is for ex-megafats who, after a year, still look like a Shar Pei.
>>77264027>>77264053You're a 10 compared to ketoschizo. I know the bar's not too high there, but let that sink in. You're getting there!
>>77264067no it fucking isn't
>>77263884From the OP:>DON'T>"Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.
>>77264087Yes it is. I decided so.
>>77264049Hunger should go away in about 3 weeks, as your body gets used to the new diet. Unless you do something very harsh.
>>77264049Damn this nigga getting hella more days per week than me.I hope most of them are weekends.
>>77264049>on a low calorie torillatry ditching this for 5 days and see if your hunger goes away or not.
>>77264092115 days is a long time.
>>77264099I'm not sure you know how long a week is
>>77264100He said it was 55 days.
>>77264099Then the calorie intake is far too low, in which case enduring hunger will be part.Or there's something very wrong with the diet.
>>77264015Thats good. I cant wait. I hate how slow it is to lose all this weight but I guess it is penance. I get a little depressed thinking I let myself get obese and wasted my 20s being fat instead of going out and looking good and stuff. Tbh I hope I am happy with my body when I get to a healthy bmi but I wont be surprised if not.
>>77263829Unironically love how normalized it's becoming for fat men to admit they're seeking to lose weight to lose their mantits.
>>77263942Keto is not healthy long-term.
>>77264157Is it? I thought it was always the case
>>77263884Taco bell power bowl, customize it in the app. Chipotle or Qdoba are good too.
>>77264157What do I do if I lose weight, but still have tits?
>>77264194Surgery,
>>77264159>Keto is not healthy long-term[citation needed]this isn't even relevant to losing weight since the plan is NOT trying to lose weight forever.>>77264194feel your tit. if there is something firmer than fat behind the nipple, it's over. it will be gyno.
>>77264199This is relevant, tho. When someone loses weight with keto it'll usually be very hard to switch to a health diet on long term.
>>77264049>I have to do something, I'm just always hungry as fuck.All you have to do is quit carbs. Also you can add some dietary fat. Eating only protein causes rabbit starvation.
>>77264200another [citation needed]
>>77264200Clean keto is the healthiest diet. Plenty of meat and eggs. No sugar or flour.
>>77264090cheat day isn't the same as a cheat meal assuming that you don't have a problem with binging and the cheat meal doesn't take you above your daily limit
>>77264205Repeating a lie doesn't make it true, even if you do it 17 hours a day, 7 days a week, for almost a decade, ketoschizo.
>>77264207If you want to cheat, go ahead, you'll only cheat yourself.
>>77264214>stop eating meat and eggs ketochuds!
>>77264220Again this image? Do you think that these shitty pictures are some magic amulet that makes your lies become truth?
>>77264216as long as I don't cheat on my workouts
>>77264203>All you have to do is quit carbs. Also you can add some dietary fat. Eating only protein causes rabbit starvation.pretty much this, but also take supplements so your body is getting the nutrition is needs. Food noise stops eventually.
>>77264200That depends really, I did very clean keto, mostly just low carb vegetables, chicken and olive or avocados/oil for fats. I'm back to a carb diet but the transition was easy since I didn't spend a year eating meme shit like bacon wrapped butter, pork rinds and fat bomb goyslop. I still counted calories, but the higher fat helped me a lot with satiety. The truth nuke is that different people will find different diets more effective, there's no silver bullet.
>>77264230And forget the idea of being able to do any form of exercise or not feel sick all of the time...
I tried keto once for 3 weeks and had no fucking energy
>>77264232>That depends really, I did very clean keto, mostly just low carb vegetables, chicken and olive or avocados/oil for fats. I'm back to a carb diet but the transition was easy since I didn't spend a year eating meme shit like bacon wrapped butter, pork rinds and fat bomb goyslop. I still counted calories, but the higher fat helped me a lot with satiety.This is very close to my current diet. But instead of no-carb I'm on low-carb. I feel full, and get a lot of energy to practice sports. The problem seems to be with the mentally ill people who want to follow a slop ketogenic diet, and think becoming incapable of doing any form of exercise is healthy.
>>77264234Did it for more time, but had the exact same experience of feeling sick and not having energy for anything. Switched to a regular low-carb diet and got huge amounts of endurance.
>>77264237>becoming incapable of doing any form of exercise is healthy.That's also a meme though, I was doing 10-20g of carbs/day and was training for a half marathon. You can still exercise, yes your performance will be degraded to some degree but saying that you can't exercise at all is untrue.
>>77264233>stop eating meat and being athletic>youre killing animals, chuds!
>>77264253>>77264254>That's also a meme though, I was doing 10-20g of carbs/day and was training for a half marathon.I'm so used for ketoschizos outright lying that I'll not believe you, sorry.
>>77264255>athletes and doctors are lying>i'm going to eat carbs
>>77264253I've read that some forms of exercising takes a bigger hit than otherendurance training like marathon does fine on ketohigh exertion training like powerlifting low reps and intense rooning does far worse on keto or at least until you've been fat adapted (or so they say)
thought I was making a meal around 800 calories but thinking about it it was around 720 calories without the veg and I was pretty generous with the veg so I estimate it's at 900ish which puts my total for the day at 1400, no apple for me sadly as I was hoping to hit 1300 then have an apple.
>>77264255>I don't believe youThat's fine, maybe some people can't, I can, but I'm not going to screech into the void trying to convenice you.
>>77264092The only time in my life I have not been hungry was after 5 days on a Disney cruise ship. I am a bottomless void.>>77264096Stay on that grind, King.>>77264097>>77264203No carbs isn't feasible in my household, nor sustainable in real life. I'm relatively low carb though. And yes, I'm getting fat in my diet.
>>77264253When I did a keto diet I barely could walk one km, this is the same experience everyone who I know in person had with keto diets.This really doesn't sound right.
>>77264262>The only time in my life I have not been hungry was after 5 days on a Disney cruise ship. I am a bottomless void.If you're lucky enough to live in a country with proper healthcare, try seeing if your hormones are alright.
>>77264259That's true, HIIT definitely take a more noticeable hit, as I've noticed since I'm as a carb load as we speak, my hill climbs are significantly easier now and sprints are faster. The point I was making is that there's too much black/white arguing when it comes to diets, that's part of why people become confused and jaded with the process.
>>77264259All types of exercise are fine on zero carb.
>>77264271You lie too much and too badly.>>77264259>I've read that some forms of exercising takes a bigger hit than otherWhile I saw some people do some light exercises on keto, I'm yet to see someone not lose lean mass.
>>77264232>The truth nuke is that different people will find different diets more effective, there's no silver bullet.this
>>77264267Meanwhile in real life athletes are setting records on zero carb.
>>77264270Btw, how long you were on a keto diet? For what I know it gets very hard to gain muscle in the start, and after like half a year you start to lose muscle.
>>77264269Hormones are fine, lol. I get my bloods every year. I come back just shy of pre-diabetic but that hasn't gotten any worse over time.
>>77264267>doesn't sound rightSounds like we had wildly different experiences. Picrel I was keto up until 4 weeks ago. I'm not trying to even convince anyone that they should do keto, but the other camp tends to also spout things that don't line up with my personal experience. In the end, find what works for you and just do it.
>>77264282Your personal experience seems to be quite an exception. Good for you, I guess.
>>77264284Thanks anon WAGMI.
>>77264278At any given weight a person on a ketogenic diet will have higher muscle mass than a person who eats carbs.Carbs block fat burning. When fat burning is blocked you lose muscle.Best possible diet for muscle retention is zero carb.
>>77264261I work in a gym with a fight gym (don't know the proper name in English), have seen dozens of people doing keto to lose weight, and in every single case the guys ended quitting training because he couldn't endure.Maybe one can still do light cardio, or maybe you have some really good genetics.
>>77264282This thread gets trolled by a vegan who is here to police low-carb diets. He says anything to desperately prevent people from trying it.He just doesn't want people getting healthy by eating meat and eggs.
>>77264286>>77264290>At any given weight a person on a ketogenic diet will have higher muscle mass than a person who eats carbs.>This thread gets trolled by a veganYou lie too much, if you're going to make up stuff, at least make an effort.
>>77264287Dr Shawn Baker sets records in his age group. He eats zero carb.
>77264290Now this is projecting.
>>77264295What's the deal now ketoschizo? Got tired of posting the liver-king ten times a thread as your example of natty keto? Kek.I imagine if should be possible to get a small amount of muscles on a ketogenic diet if you heavily use roids. Still very dumb to use medication and refuse to eat properly.
>>77264293This guy right here is the vegan. He has his own subreddit.You can tell he is our resident vegan because he just says>you lieover and over again. No argument. Doesn't respond to the data or scientific evidence. Doesn't address the things which prove him wrong.
>>77264298Everyone on the thread knows you lie, and many people are not shy of pointing it out. You should try lying less, then people might take you seriously.
>>77264297This is the vegan again. He keeps bringing up liver king even though nobody ever talked about him in /fat/ other than himself. Liver king wasn't even an athlete at any point in time and everyone always knew he was on steroids.Typical examples of zero carb athletes posted in /fat/:- Dr Shawn Baker- Ryan Talbot- The guy who set a record climbing yosemite mountain
>>77264301>Everyone on the thread knows you lieNot just the thread, the whole board.
>>77264301Ok vegan you win I will only eat grass from now on.
>>77264304Unironically the most well known shill on /fit/
>>77264295>>77264303After you filled thread after thread with this "look, this shawn dude proves keto doesn't destroy athletic performance", I took a look on him. Apparently it's a guy with a below-average performance on roids who makes a life by shilling ketogenic diets.
>>77264298>No argument. Doesn't respond to the data or scientific evidence. Doesn't address the things which prove him wrong.you could post proofs of your claims instead of trading accusations with him
>>77264307Yeah everyone knows about moxyte and his ketoduped subreddit but its best to just ignore him.
>>77264315I'm pretty sure I'm the 3rd anon you call The Vegan in this thread.Let me give you some help with identifying people by their writing style. I always post with two lines of text, a space in between, uppercase on the start and a dot in the end.
>>77264314Proof is constantly posted. Each image and video can only be posted once per thread.Ask any specific questions and I will be happy to point you in the right direction or post any image that hasn't been posted yet.Here's one that hasn't been posted yet. Unlimited calorie low-carb vs restricted calorie low-fat. Unlimited calorie low-carb works better.
>>77264321>Proof is constantly posted. Each image and video can only be posted once per thread.There's a huge difference between proof and the slop you spam, like this study that anons have shown to not say what you claim every single time
>>77264287>some really good genetics.Maybe idk, I believe you in that lots of people struggle, especially with HIIT activities. The human body is a complex machine and experiences vary I guess.The only two things I really stand on are caloric deficit and building sustainable healthy diet long term, beyond that do what works.
>>77264324See moxyte just makes posts like this where he says things are proven wrong. He never proves anything wrong he just says it was proven wrong.Moxyte is also fat. He's not even a skinny vegan. He's an obese vegan who never posts body.
>>77264303>He keeps bringing up liver king even though nobody ever talked about him in /fat/ other than himself.Has your diet damaged your brain? You used to use liverking as your example of how keto allows one to be strong nonstop until it was shown it was the roids, not keto.
>>77264330You are lying.
>>77264328>The only two things I really stand on are caloric deficit and building sustainable healthy diet long term, beyond that do what works.I couldn't agree more with you.And I'm very happy that you managed to practice exercises while on keto, sorry for being hasty in saying you were lying.
Moxyte got overly hostile and outed himself so he had to apologize. Lmao.Here's Dr Shawn Baker on a zero carb diet #1 in the world at rowing.
>>77264341>mid tier body while on roidsDisgusting
>>77264270trueespecially in the US it feels like the food discussion is more polarized between diehard diet fans of all sorts and the >standard american diet person
>>77264344Dr Shawn Baker is lifetime natty. Eats zero carb. Is fit and looks great. Also he is almost 60.Post your body for comparison.
>>77264346>especially in the USI wish this was only limited to diets.
>>77264336No worries>>77264346Agreed, the constant polarization and lies makes an already tough task even more difficult for people trying to lose weight. WAGMI gentlemen
I just procured a video of Dr Shawn Baker feeding his star pupil 'ketoschizo' with all natural semen (zero carbs) (contains sugars)
>>77264321your pic doesn't say if the low carb group had calorie restrictions or not and half of the 15.2 pounds lost would be water weight.you spoke of people on keto having more muscle than people on carbs which was the post you were replying to when i replied to you.you can always simply quote the post that has the image.>>77264329you can ignore posters that do not explain what is it exactly they have an issue with.
>>77264349>Dr Shawn Baker is lifetime natty.Again this crap? You decided to die in this hill for half a dozen guys, only to find a new one when it was shown they were conman using roids and selling "get like me while natty" courses and products.
>>77264354If you can read English you will notice it says only one group was calorie restricted. I also told you to make it easy. Feel free to check the study yourself.Here's another. Unlimited calorie low-carb vs restricted calorie low-fat. Unrestricted low-carb wins consistently.
>>77264359>Feel free to check the study yourself.I did this before, both with this study and the last one you posted, neither of them claim what you're saying they do. In pic related it says that a low-carb diet, not keto, helped people to lose more weight than a low-fat diet.
>>77264355Ok moxyte I am sure you will be able to back up your claims with a number of archive links, right? Lol.The only low-carb athletes I post in /fat/ are- Dr Shawn Baker- Ryan Talbot- The guy who set a record climbing yosemite mountain
>>77263676cute
>>77264366>The only low-carb athletes I post in /fat/ areWait a second, did you said low-carb? Weren't these supposed to be examples of athletes on ketogenic diets? Now this is being dishonest.
I wonder why ketoschizo isn't posting the mouse study anymore. It said carbs protected lean mass, while keto destroyed it.
>>77264365If you can read English you will see I said low-carb. I also labeled the image with "low carb vs low fat".Here's another.Unlimited calorie low-carb vs restricted calorie low-fat. Unlimited calorie low-carb wins again. Very consistent superiority shown by low-carb diets. Winning without calorie restriction shows extreme superiority.
>>77264369Zero carb is pretty low. All three of those athletes are zero carb.
>>77264371>I wonder why ketoschizo isn't posting the mouse study anymore.I guess even him can realize the study is saying he's wrong after anons point it a hundred times.>>77264374>Posting two different studies as if they were two parts of the same studyVery dishonest, as always.
>>77264371I don't know what mouse study you're talking about but feel free to post it.The most interesting mouse study is in pic related. It shows that obesity is caused by powdered carbs. Powdered carbs raise insulin. Insulin is the fat storage hormone.
>>77264381Mice =/= humans
>>77264381>I don't know what mouse study you're talking aboutHow can one guy be this much of a compulsive liar? You spam the same study for years, to the point people in this board remember, and still try to lie your way out.
>>77264386Not only this, some anons read the study with care and it said the exact opposite of what ketoschizo claims. This seems to be his modus operandi, he makes a claim, posts a study with a related title, claim it supports his claims and hope no one reads it.
>>77264386Insulin is the fat storage hormone in humans, too.
>>77264349he is on roids. we've been over this. his delts are fuckhuge.i doubt him being on roids or not compromises the point of being able to lift heavy on keto.>>77264359>just look it up brono. (you) should link it. now answer this. anon called you a liar for this one specifically.>>77264354>you spoke of people on keto having more muscle than people on carbs which was the post you were replying to when i replied to you.
>>77264393>This image has been posted more than 300 times on the /fat/ generalIsn't @metabolic_mike a full time keto shill?
>>77264388You can post whatever you're referring to any time. You can also post archive links.>>77264388>>77264392You are telling some pretty extreme lies.
>77264399>no uwhen put against the wall, the liar tries to project
>>77264397Dr Shawn Baker is so obviously natty that vegans backed out of paying for drug testing. They know they would just prove he is natty.
>>77264400If anything you said was true you would have readily available copypasta, screenshots, and archive links.You're just an angry lying vegan.
39 workouts to go till my goal. 6 workouts a week. Goal expected to be reached around late June. Need to stay locked in
>>77264401>Dr Shawn Baker is so obviously natty that vegans backed out of paying for drug testing.Peak Lol, so were Arnold and liverking.
had the last type of junk takeaway that i like again for the first time in 4 months or soas i bit down into the chicken i could feel and taste how it was saturated with oilas i continued to eat it i could taste the flavour of the frying oil if that makes sense, i could tell they reuse the oil all day to fry batches of chicken it was a bizarre tastei'll be fine not having it again as it doesn't taste like it used to to me>>77263884you may but you may also come to find it doesn't taste very nice at all anymore>>77263892congratulations!>>77264404u can do it bro, you've got this
>>77264404did you set doing a certain amount of workouts as your goal?>>77264402are you back at posting before pictures to mock people trying to lose weight again?
>>77264405Liverking wasn't an athlete and wasn't zero carb. Nobody ever talked about him in /fat/ except vegans.
>>77264410>Nobody ever talked about him in /fat/ except vegans.A couple of years ago you spammed him as much as you spam this shawn loser now.
>>77264409These are after pics of people who did CICO and denounced keto.
I like tanner shuck on YouTube. He just gets to the point to sticking to basics and stop overcomplicating shitWhile all the science stuff is great sometimes need to hear a person to just tell you to stop over thinking
>>77264413>These are after pics of people who did CICO and denounced keto.Another lie, has anything you ever said ever been true?
>>77264409Yeah i set a goal of completing 60 workouts for myself By that point something should be clearly different in my appearance
>>77264412The more you tell that lie the more obvious it will become to third party observers that you are lying. You could just link to the archive if you were telling the truth.You are lying so you cannot provide proof.
>>77264418>Yeah i set a goal of completing 60 workouts for myselfI've never seen such a goal before, but it seems to be good, and even better that you're archiving it.
>>77264417You're fat and you won't post body.
Since jannies won't do anything about him I'm going to start filtering the keto sperg because I'm tired of having to scroll through 70+ of his posts and samefagging to see actual /fat/ users posts, updates, questions etc.Please try and refrain from responding to him if you can. If you do, I won't see your posts anymore.>t. been using these threads on and off for a couple of years and over it
>>77264341Wow, 1 minute and 20 seconds. Definitely a mighty feat of endurance right there. I bet his wife is thrilled with that.
>>77264422>no uDespite 4chan being anonymous, when you make yourself a popular schizo shill people start to notice. It's like when told a diabetic anon to not go see a doctor, then were trying to say you never did it in the very same thread. I think it was last week.
>>77264428He can't stop responding because he is an ideological vegan who doesn't want anyone to take low-carb advice.
>>77264428Other than images, is there a pattern plan to use to filter ketoshizo?
I think the cabbage was helpful, BTW.
>>77264401we've also been over this. >tests can be faked he can simply bribe the lab doing the test>no one will be willing to part with the kind of money to put him in a metabolic ward+extra to guarantee no one gets bought>he is fucking 59 years old and most importantly:>why aren't (you) as big as him?you're nowhere near as big as him. you really shouldn't die on the hill of him being a natty because it is extremely obvious that he isn't and this only hurts the legit points you make.and going back to the study, i looked it up. it simply said that no guidance for calories was given. everyone knows you get less hungry on keto so they might have been naturally eating less. one more point is those people, being obese and all, naturally were trying to eat less to lose weight. same as we're all doing here.saying unlimited carbs makes people believe actually gorging on food all the time will result in weight loss.
>>77264425I have a dry erase board in my room with 1 side being workouts to go and how many I have done. After each workout I erase one side and check off the other Just gives me a reference point for me to see I am doing something having it add up. But I still keep in mind shorter term stuff like I see a therapist regularly and I keep that in mind of how much I get done before next session with her.
>>77264438>and going back to the study, i looked it up. it simply said that no guidance for calories was given. everyone knows you get less hungry on keto so they might have been naturally eating less. one more point is those people, being obese and all, naturally were trying to eat less to lose weight. same as we're all doing here.Did you notice the study is about a low-carb diet and not a ketogenic diet?
>>77264429He sets records for his age group so he must be pretty impressive.
>>77264447The reason he is as strong as he is has much more to do with steroids than his food selection.
>>77264436He likes to name all the men he follows on tiktok and spams here. That and generally he seems older/less internet savvy so it's easier to filter him. That plus MD5s clears up 98% of his spam.
>>77264451Nice, if you're using 4chanX, please give me the filter. I've a really bad time dealing with this thing.
>>77264438Here's a study were the low-carb group ate more calories yet lost more body fat.>>77264444Lower carb is better. Zero carb is optimal for weight loss.>>77264450Dr Shawn Baker is lifetime natty.
>>77264454He is not natural
>>77264444checked.they both work by lowering insulin to allow the enzymes that break down fat to work because high insulin inhibits those enzymes.keto is just a higher level of low carb so i use the terms interchangeably. wrongly so perhaps.
>>77264442I like that idea, I usually track stuff on my phone but having it on a whiteboard in plain view would be a good constant goals & tasks reminder
Leaving the 300lbs zone is getting closer and closer.Weighed in at 319 this morning, hoping to drop a little more for weigh in tomorrow.During a Zoom meeting today, my director messaged me to say that my new haircut looked handsome.I'm sure it was just her being nice, but getting a compliment is still good.I do wish my grandfather would get to see me when I'm done, but at least one of my last conversations before his death was him telling me that he's proud to see me working on myself before it's too late.I wear his ashes in a necklace now, so at least he's with me for the rest of this journey.
>>77264454>Lower carb is better. Zero carb is optimal for weight loss.Ketoschizo, we are talking about how you claim the study is about unlimited calories on keto, while in reality it's about controlled calories on low-carb.
>>77264456He is so natty that vegans chickened out of paying for him to get drug tested because they know they would prove he is natty.
>>77264453
>>77264458>keto is just a higher level of low carb so i use the terms interchangeably. wrongly so perhaps.Yes, ketogenesis is a very specific process where the body look for an alternative source of energy when lacking any meaningful amount of carbohydrates.A keto diet is a diet that aims to get the body in this state, while a low-carb diet is just a generally healthy and good diet with low carbs.
>>77264466I am not vegan and don't care about these diets. He is not a natural
>>77264454Again, this diet is about low-carb vs low-fat, both with limited calories intake. It has nothing to do with keto or anything you claim.
>>77264462The studies I posted are mostly unlimited calorie low-carb vs restricted calorie low-fat. Pic related is another. Unlimited calorie low-carb beats restricted calorie low-fat. That's how fattening carbs are. Even when you count calories the carb fattening effect is unavoidable.This one here: >>77264454 showed the low-carb group lost more fat even though they were eating more calories.
>>77264461i remember your post from before anon, good job keeping with it>being niceof course it's nice, it's a nice thing to tell someone when they look sharpi'm sure you do. good on you for turning your life around and keep it up!!
>>77264461Awesome work anon, I'm sure he's very proud of you
>>77264474>Again, this diet is aboutAgain, this study*>>77264475You post a study, people point how it doesn't say what you claim, you post another. Are you trying to use spam volume to make up for being wrong?
>>77264461>During a Zoom meeting today, my director messaged me to say that my new haircut looked handsome.>I'm sure it was just her being nice, but getting a compliment is still good.Very happy for you. Stand firm on your diet and exercises, and you'll get so much more.
>>77264474>>77264479Every study I post shows exactly what I claim it does.Here is yet again another. There's about 9 of these. Unlimited calorie low-carb vs restricted calorie low-fat.Carbs are so fattening that even when restricting calories the results are bad. Unlimited calorie low-carb is superior.
>>77264477Thanks. I post here frequently enough that I'm sure my typing style is recognizable by now. >>77264478I like to think so as well. My grandmother is still with us so I go see her every 20lbs lost, she's happy every time.>>77264482I appreciate that a lot, thank you.It's funny, with how much I've posted my face (in the workplace bathroom at that), I've been wondering if anyone else here works with me since I'm recognizable and they'd recognize the bathroom. Wouldn't bother me if they did, just think it'd be a neat interaction.
>>77264454now this one seems to be a nice study. cheers m8>>77264468one of his posted studies specifically said they restricted carbs to less than 30 grams. that's fooking keto.
>>77264483>Every study I post shows exactly what I claim it does.Saying a lie as a slogan doesn't make it true.
>>77264487i'd say your typing style is standard, it's more your story and reverence for your grandfather that stuck with mei'm glad you still have your nana>in the workplace wcOH you're that guy. you're indeed handsome loli'm glad others are going out of their way to remind you of it IRL too!
>>77264488>one of his posted studies specifically said they restricted carbs to less than 30 grams. that's fooking keto.The problem are the other 29 or the 30 studies he spams.
>>77264496>i'd say your typing style is standardThat's good. My brother likes to jab that he thinks I'm autistic and sometimes I wonder if the way I type or talk is what conveys that.>you're indeed handsome lolThat's very kind, thank you.
>>77264499i type the same way when being serioushere i like to be more casualofc!! keep it up and keep taking good care of yourself
>>77264488>one of his posted studies specifically said they restricted carbs to less than 30 grams. that's fooking keto.The studies he post have many issues, not being about keto is just the most common, but there's so much more.
>>77264458>keto is just a higher level of low carb so i use the terms interchangeably. wrongly so perhaps.They are not the same, pretty much everyone here, including everyone putting ketoschizo in his place will support a low-carb diet, the guide in the OP suggest it. It's safe, healthy, great for sports and losing weight. Now keto is a different story.
>>77264498>>77264513feel free to address them
>>77264521>t.rust me bro
>>77264523>feel free to address themAgain? Is this the sort of thing where the 1000th time does the trick?
>>77264523>>77264531Someone is very upset.
>>77264521Lower carb is better.The people screeching and seething about keto are high-carb low-fat dieters. Their diet of turkey and rice makes them hungry and angry.
>>77264549You lie too much, if keto was any good, you'd not need to hide it behind "low carbs".
>>77264549Isn't it ironic that this doctor is also fat?
>>77264552>Isn't it ironic that this doctor is also fat?he's pretty lean for an american
>>77264552Yeah he should take his own advice. I guess he thinks it is okay for him to eat carbs because he isn't 600lbs.
>>77264556What kind of mental illness is this?
>>77264558Carb addiction.
>>77264562No, I'm talking about the schizo who jumps at everyone's posts to shill some shitty diet.
>>77264565Low-carb is the best weight loss diet. The worst diet is low-fat.Pic related.
>>77264570>Low-carb is the best weight loss diet.A regular low-carb diet is great, regular low-fat generally performs as bit worse but it's not bad. Vegan, keto and other extreme cult diets hurts you.
It's updating its' script. It used to be 'flat calories' this and 'zero carbs' that with anti-CICO. Now it's even foggier than faggier than before.
>>77264570It's really not. Otherwise you would have made progress over the past decade.
>>77264572Keto works great. Zero carb is optimal for weight loss.
>>77264578I think he's saying that low-carb CICO is healthy, which is true.
>>77264581CICO is unhealthy because it promotes eating sugar.
>>77263676This is probably a retarded question but, do you weigh chicken breasts frozen or thawed?I have a bag of frozen breasts weighing 1,5kg and it says so on the bag. I usually blindly use the weight stated on the packaging of a given food item to calculate total calories, but I've never considered frozen meat until now. There's a shitload of water whenever you thaw meat
>>77264580>Keto works great.While a ketogenic diet does allow one to lose weight fast, it also unhealthy as it hurts the body, specially on long term. If you're willing to hurt yourself to lose weight fast, why not take some GLP-1 medicine instead?
>>77264588>This is probably a retarded question but, do you weigh chicken breasts frozen or thawed?Thawed, but you can can weight them frozen and adapt the weight by 75% - 85% (US) or 90% (EU) too.
>>77264593Thank you. I assumed as much, but I'm kinda slow today.
>10+ years of weight loss>restricted more than a max sec facility inmate>can't even spend 1 hour outside doing sports>restricted to just eating 3 things>a walk in the park is a Herculean task>spends 17 hours a day, 7 days a week online pushing his 'healthy diet'>claims zero carbs, even when his diet contains carbs>uses peoples' progress pics to push his shillingYeah, mental illness combined with keto seems to create super-retards
>>77264597Here, have a present.
>>77264589Keto cures modern diseases.If you're worried about dying avoid carbs. Carbs are deadly poison.>meat intake is positively correlated with life expectancies>carbohydrate crops showed weak and negative correlation with life expectancyhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35228814/
>>77264586"consuming less calories than you burn is promoting sugar"Nobody advocating for CICO says this though. Sugar is unsatiating and is a poor way to use your calories and can result in overeating.Literal schizophrenic. I can't understand why this would bother you so much. You don't lose anything by admitting restricting calories results in weight loss. It's fully compatible with keto. This is why you have to be a shill. You have nothing to lose, but everything to gain. I'm guessing you work for that website selling diet plans or something.
>>77264603>Keto cures modern diseases.A ketogenegic diet used to be the standard treatment for diabetes, before insulin and later medication where invented, it allowed the patient to live for a couple of years more. That's about the medical usage for keto.
>>77264605CICO is "a new concept in weight control" which was promoted by the sugar industry.Traditionally people believed sugar and starch were fattening.
>>77264603>People who eat more meat lives moreAgain, the article says one thing and you claim another.
>>77264605>Literal schizophrenic.>This is why you have to be a shill.I bet on the former + joining a diet cult.
>>77264603Another reason you are a shill. You continuously post that garbage despite it being debunked every single time. Rich countries have better healthcare and can afford meat. They also have enough to have an excess of meat. (meat consumption was not counted, just meat produced)But you don't care about the truth and will continue to post it.
>>77264612Even if that is true. It has nothing to do with how it is currently promoted or the validity of it. Any company can make any advertisement on anything. If the meth industry started advertising Keto would that suddenly make keto fake just because "well the meth industry is heavily involved"Christ you're just so fucking stupid.
>>77264619Here's another study showing carbs are deadly poison.On the contrary dietary fat increases life expectancy.
>>77264624>Post study, claim it says something>Anons point out it says something else and you're lying>Post another studyThe shill trying to hide he's lying by flooding.
>>77264623CICO is not valid. It's a sugar industry hoax. Belief in CICO causes obesity. >I expected that even though I was eating 2500 calories a day, an increase of 500 calories a day for me, that I would not gain much weight, I already knew that eating fat and protein doesn't make you fat.>The biggest and most unexpected change was losing so much body fat in the 30 days. I lost 19.6 pounds by the end of the monthhttps://ketogasm.com/the-bacon-experiment-interview/
>>77264632>Pic promoting a false diet that only makes you fatter>ketogasm.comYeah
>>77264624Oof
>>77264624Another low-carb study, another dishonest attempt to pretend it's about keto.
>>77264626It's a convergence of evidence showing that carbs kill. Animal foods extend life.Here's another:>High intakes of milk and fats and oils had favorable effects on 10-year (1976–1986) survivorship>survivors revealed a longitudinal increase in intakes of animal foods such as eggs, milk, fish and meat>Okinawa Prefecture where life expectancies at birth and 65 were the longest in Japan ... the proportion of energy from proteins and fats were significantly higher ... Intakes of carbohydrates and NaCl were lower.TL;DR More meat, fewer carbs, longer life.
>>77264624>>77264603Notice how he is posting epidemiology. Funny how "shitty surveys" work fine when it fits your bias.
>>77264641>It's a convergence of evidence showing that carbs kill.No, it's you spamming a lot and being false in every single instance. A honest for God attempt of turning a lie into truth through volume.
>>77264644I am okay with you eating carbs. Feel free to smoke and drink alcohol, too.
>>77264642>Notice how he is posting epidemiology.>Funny how "shitty surveys" work fine when it fits your bias.And it's still regular low-carb vs regular high-carb, nothing about his own schizo diet being any good.
>>77264645The problem is that you're not content with just following a healthy diet, if you only wanted to destroy your body without leaving your room it'd be fine, but you insist on shilling it 17 hours a day, 7 days a week.
>>77264646It is a great victory for me that you can only quibble about the difference between low carb and very low carb.It is already accepted that reducing carbs is the most important factor for weight loss.Low carb is fine. You will just get slower results than zero carb. I prefer zero carb personally.
>>77264649Healthy diets are low-carb.
>>77264652>It is a great victory for me that you can only quibble about the difference between low carb and very low carb.You being dishonest and pretending that low-carb CICO as in the OP, and your crippling diet is the same is only a "victory" inside the mind of a shill or a schizo.>It is already accepted that reducing carbs is the most important factor for weight loss.No one ever say this, a low-carb diet is only helpful to lose weight in the sense it helps to reduce calorie intake :)>>77264654A healthy low-carb with controlled calories are indeed healthy, keto (no-carb) is very unhealthy and a worse path than taking GLP-1 medicine. Imagine promoting a diet so unhealthy it must be hidden behind another diet with a similar name.
>>77264641>94 people>1992>controls for literally nothing>survivorship biaskek. Yet the hundreds of observational studies that show the contrary are all wrong?Again another food questionnaire that seems to be fine for when it fits his bias.
>>77264654>Healthy diets are low-carb.Yes, a good low-carb diet is healthy, that's why you try so hard to pretend your diet that hurts the body is actually just low-carb...
>filter in place>now 2/3 of the thread is collapsedzamn...that's grim
>>77264663How many ketoschizo posts still passed the filter?
>>77264662I'm just here to explain to people that carbs are fattening. If you have some phobia about going below 20g carbs per day then feel free to stay low carb. Low carb diets work great.Carb reduction is key to weight loss. I am glad we agree.
>>772646640 so far. Containment is holding tight.It's just a shame to see how much traffic really is just him, him talking to himself/about himself and then any rubes that feed him.
>>77264668>Carb reduction is key to weight loss. I am glad we agree.Calorie intake and consumption is key to healthy weight loss. Medicine, ketogenic diets and surgery may led to weight less, but they are generally unhealthy, specially if done again and again over long periods of time.
>>77264669>0 so far. Containment is holding tight.Great. I never saw someone be so much of a loser that he tries to pull others down this much.
>>77264671Nice try, sugar information inc.Carb reduction is key to weight loss, not calorie measurements. See: >>77264381 >>77264483 >>77264475 >>77264454 >>77264374 >>77264632
>>77264675Anons have shown that every single of these studies show something very different from what you've claimed.Is your diet so bad that it can only be shilling with lies?
>>77264672Pull down their weight.
>>77264677>Dr Andreas EenfeldtThe professional keto shill again?
>@77264676No they haven't.
>>77264632>It's a sugar industry hoaxCan you prove that without posting fuckign TIME magazine articles? Like holy shit how did you pass high school. Post some actual sources.
>>77264669>and then any rubes that feed himSometimes it feels like it's him replying to himself, pretending to be someone else.>>77264679People can read the thread, what's the point in saying stuff everyone here knows to be false and can check?
>77264677>(low-carb, high-fat, i.e., a keto diet)So the woman lost weight on a low-carb CICO diet and the full-time keto shill is trying to claim it was keto? It's like ketoschizo is just a member of a larger cult.
>>77264681>articleThese are advertisements, anon. Advertisements.The sugar industry paid millions of dollars to trick Americans into believing CICO. This is what caused the obesity epidemic.Traditionally people thought sugar and starch were fattening. When nobody had heard of the calorie measurement they were all lean.
>>77264685Trying to manufacture some conflict between low-carb and very low-carb is laughable. Both operate on the hormonal theory of obesity.The disagreement is between flat calorie theory (cico) and hormonal theory (keto/low-carb/carnivore/etc.)
>>77264682It's a vegan who replies because he wants people to eat low-fat plant-based.Vegans still are upset about Atkins. Very deranged people.
>>77264688Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean you're right
>>77264696There's a clear timeline.>nobody heard of the calorie measurement>everyone is lean>sugar industry teaches CICO>everyone becomes fatYou can also see the results of CICO believers in this thread. They all fail at their goals and regain weight. Belief in CICO causes inescapable obesity.
>>77264682>it feels like it's him replying to himselfIt is. This is a very basic part of every bog standard schizo on 4ch. When no one takes their bait or engages with them they start an argument with themselves or agree with themselves etc.Which is why it should be all ignored, full stop.
>>77264712I'd prefer if nobody replies to me.I'm just here to stand on a soapbox and tell people that flat calorie theory is false.
>keto radical faggots and low carb radical faggots arguing while the keto moderates and low carb moderates look on in cringe I am a low carb moderate and I wish my keto moderate bros good health and long life. WAGMI.
