Stop getting nostalgic over proprietary software.
>>100131978kek I love this meme formatmake the /g/ soicels seethe
Can’t help it though - I remember learning how to code on this thing
>>100131978Windows 7 at least was a really good piece of software, even if it's proprietary trash
>>100131978LOOK OUT THE NOSTALGIA POLICE HAVE ARRIVED!
>>100132027That's actually a good point.Has any FOSSfag admitted that, while closed-source, there have been things that have been done right and they'd totally use them if it didn't violate their ideology?
>proprietary software is... le bad>>100132226The vast majority of FOSSfags use proprietary software in some way or another.
Not gonna happen. Sure it was shit, but it was good too.>>100132226I'd say so, but I prefer Bash and my tiling WM at this point, so if Windows 7's UI was open-sourced, I wouldn't use it more than trying it out for old times' sake.
>>100131978I don't care about if it's proprietary or open source. I don't ever look or touch the code (nor do you) regardlessly. I only care if i can get it for free and windows is free so im cool with it
>>100132027I'd argue it's good compared to a GNU system but compared to other winshit versions, 7 was the best. If I **had** to use a proprietary OS I'd pick windows 7.>>100132226There are tons of stuff I'd use if they were free I accept that. Some, hell maybe even lots, of proprietary software is good feature-wise but terrible when it comes to debugging, troubleshooting and privacy. Proprietary software could be more tolerable if they handled it like how Factorio does. No chink anti-cheat/anti-piracy running the moment you turn on your pc and you can disable data collection(before some nigger says "but you can't see the source", you can verify that with Wireshark). For me at least, the thing with proprietary software is that it's horrible troubleshooting wise. What made me stop using windows years ago was these meaningless error messages with the code 0xNIGGER and links to a pajeet forum link spammed with "sar please run sfc scannow do the needful". I believe with a bit of change, proprietary software can be tolerated in some form, ie. programs like photo editors.
>>100131978It's windows 2000 pro for me. I want to go back so bad bros.
Why?
>Fruitiger aeroFuck everyone who is trying to make this a thing. Its called 2000's nostalgia. How the fuck is that term related to that at all?
>>100132374>I'd argue it's good compared to a GNU system but compared to other winshit versions, 7 was the best. If I **had** to use a proprietary OS I'd pick windows 7.I'd say along Windows 2000, Windows 7 has been the pinnacle of Windows. No other OS has been as well liked as Windows 7 neither it was so well received by everyone. Sure it had it's flaws early on but they were fixed and it turned out to be a great OS in all senses
>>100132489>Its called 2000's nostalgiaYou know what's funny? Majority of people who are into this 2000s nostalgia fad never grew up with that stuff. It's all late zoomers and tiktok kids that are into it.
>>100132027Can some1 post "NICE PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE\nFAGGOT"? I keep forgetting to save it.
>>100131978Windows 7 is a complete piece of shit, but its not as bad as windows 10.
>>100132556Sorry i don't have it. Have this one instead
>>100131978Stop posting on 4chan
>>100132027>>100132351>>100132732>>100132752>>100132663>>100131992>>100132177>windows 10/11 compilers are actually just FOSSfag concern trollsIs anyone surprised by this development?
*complainers
>>100131978it's not about the software itself. It's about the good times we've had, and the good times some wish they had
fuck off trying to kill the other w7 threadgo here instead:>>100123336
>>100133202>modern Windows being an ad-ridden no-ownership PieceOfShitReady spyware OS is nothing to be concerned about
>>100133244>/g/ in 2034>"VGH. We need to go back... So many gvvd tvmvs."
>>100131978This. Nostalgia is a sign of a weak male.
>>100133305>[Noun] is a sign of a weak male.>Source: my ass because this is a shitpost, nigga!
Windows XP > Windows 10 > Windows 7uncontestable.
Use OpenBSD. Their Window manager is literally from the Chernobyl disaster era yet still lets you run modern apps at the same time.
>>100132556Here you go anon. Save it this time.
>>100132489>>100132547>HMMM SWEATY DID YOU AWCHTWUALLY KNOW THAT FRUTIGER AERO IS A TERM THAT WAS INVEBTED AFTER THE FACT AND THAT NOBODY USED AT THE TIME???You mean just like Middle Ages, Reinassance, Baroque, Gothic, and a trillion other terms? Lmao
>frutiger aeroIt's just aero, you fucking nonce. Nobody called it "frutiger aero" back then.
Many things rot with time, so saying something older is better than current is rational in that case.For example, faggots and trannies were actually cool people in older times, now they are just cancer.
>You're not allowed to have nostalgia because of le heckin evil capitalism
>>100137699Who gives a shit, it makes just as much sense to call it that as it does to call it "aero" alone.
>>100135223Calling the decade fruity arrow doesn't capture the feeling of the 2000s. Hell the middle ages and Renaissance are stupid names for periods because there were many renaissances and middle ages implies that we have an end times in like 3000 years. I would call the information adolescence as it was the period that information technology was maturing and information technology dominated the time period.
>>100137856This whole frutiger thing is revisionist bullshit.
>>100132226The only good proprietary I can think of is ANSYS because it has 50 years of development by engineers and recreating something like this under FOSS licenses is not feasible. Getting nostalgic over relatively new proprietary OS just because it had transparent effects is truly a mental retardation.I can only remember that this garbage required some additional steps when you replace the CPU from a different vendor.
>>100137834Why not both?
>>100138954>Winfag>AICuck
why does it even matter if i use proprietary or not...makes no sense especially for the end user. Call me a Microsoft shill but tell me the plus's to Linux and then contrast them with windows.
>>100138954Absolutely soulless, can't even write "srv" right, lol
>>100138950Theme name?
>>100138998idk, I stole it from reddit.
I want to know who invented the "frutiger" meme. If I start spamming the soitard spinoff with image macros calling the metro ui something retarded like "strunfuder metro" will all zoomies start calling it "strunfuder metro" too even though it's a made up word?
>>100137699>>100140914Isn't the full name "Aero Glass"?
REAL xillenial hereif you were using aero instead of "windows classic" you're a zoomerand no desktop wallpapersolid color onlyand i would have beat anyone here in Unreal Tournament
>>100141071based.windows classic also allowed you to disable DWM.
>>100140914Its a zoomer nostalgia cult, it could have been called anything and people would have gone with it, see vaporwave or Y2K or any of the dumb millennial aesthetic movements that caught on.
No.
>>100133384
>>100137614Personally for me if we were at "windows 2000 service pack 25" right now I wouldn't mind.
>>100138950if you can't tell there's something wrong here, see your optometrist about a new prescription
>>100131978i don't get it. everyone hated aero and was dickriding xp because of the customization. why would anyone be nostalgic?
>>100131978Windows isn't actually locked down, it's just shitty and unusable thoughgardless
>>100132403>>100141749Purely aesthetically, Windows 2000 was perfect. Nice blue default background, refined and minimal classic gray/white/navy theme, 256 color icons that aren't too flashy or abstract...
>>100141941>Windows isn't actually locked downBy "locked down," he meant uncustomizable.
>>1001420072k/XP was pretty customizable.You could even replace the explorer shell with a Linux style WM.
>>100131978Win10/11 is just pure shit, 7 wasn't.
>>100141950going beyond 256 colors (in icons) was a mistakewhy does a program icon need to have more colors anyway?
>>100132547I'm from 1986 and goddamn I miss the 2000's.Make me happy to see zoomer realize how better thing could have been, and also sad they will never get to experience it thanks to boomers realizing the world was starting to have fun which is intolerable to them.
>>100142128if people like you or I were in charge of the design, they never could have sold millions of people on the idea that they need a new version of windowslove it or hate it, the transparency, shadows, and other graphical bloat gimmicks are what convinced mainstream users that the version update was significant and that they were being left behind. commerce provides its own set of perverse incentives
>>100137856>>100138329According to the troonsthetic wiki on fandom, it's other name is "Web 2.0 Gloss" which is FAR FUCKING BETTER.Now there's Fruitynigger Metro and its alternative name is fucking VECTOR VOMIT which is just fucking perfect.
>>100142059Yeah, but 7 and above are uncustomizable. The most customization you can have is Wallpaper Engine and Rainmeter, which may affect performance and is a far cry from what you can do on Linux.
>>100142128>>100142195broIF god spoke to me, he'd 100% say>1024x768, 256 color mode ONLY, my boi
>>100131978Can't do, FOSS looks the same it has over nearly three decades.
>>100141950Anon Windows 2000 supported 32 bit color and had multiple color schemes.
>>100132489Not to mention>frutiger aero "nostalgia" wackos mixing Windows Vista/7 aesthetics with the advertisement style of the timeI feel nostalgic for growing up with 7's aesthetics (oddly enough not so much for Windows XP's style) but I feel no nostalgia towards the corporate shit, advertisements, and consumer tech design of the time.
>>100145312yeah, and? was there a point you wanted to make or are you just being a retard?
>>100131978you're a faggot.
>>100143676Based. You should write your own OS anon. Make sure you include a copy of the bible in it.
Windows 7 was the second operating system I'd ever used. Before that it was XP and even then I was too young to remember most of it. Why wouldn't I be nostalgic for 7?
>more seething hatredWhat is it about Windows 7 that generates this kind of virulent hate?
>>100142195Nonsense. You know how old versions of windows are not usable on new computers. Well, that would be equally the same with no UI updates. Also, there are plenty of non UI improvements to be made. The windows api is incredibly flawed, and each version of drips out a few improvements, and once devs experience this improvements, they don't want to support old versions anymore because its painful to go back.
>>100131978I don't feel nostalgic, maybe for the software and games that were developed during that time along with old web design, also, that UI Aero glass shit made it slow, it might look prettier than the flat design we have today though, I still prefer the older versions now because of how bloated Windows 11 has become, notice how Windows 10 above has ads in the start menu, fucking pathetic.
>>100131978Based
>>100131978>Stop getting nostalgic over proprietary software.There is a difference between being nostalgic, and recognizing that the proprietary software has deliberately been made worse with every passing versions and therefore older versions are better.
>>100144311Based GNUchad
I mostly just like the start menu and the explorer because they look less retarded and are functionally superior.
Why don't more people contribute to ReactOS? It's open source Windows and if it became compatible enough you would have free Classic Windows forever. Imagine being able to use Windows XP in the 2050s, that's what ReactOS could be.
>>100149762People only use Windows because of software support.Nobody wants a Windows-like OS otherwise.
>>100149762ReactOS will never be usable. Also, I am pretty sure its controlled oposition, to waste developer effort.
>>100141950Win XP classic theme was basically the same.Just with actual support post 2004
>>100132226FOSS and Closed Source are not always black and white. In an ideal world there would be a middle ground between both, but it sounds impossible to figure out how.There's been instances of propietary software fucking up users, because of some shit made by someone.Conversely, there's been shitstorms caused by poorly written open source software, like code with a blatant vulnerability, or something that fails in an epic way.Both have flaws, and neither should be seen as a single best way to develop software.
>>100149762The practical appeal of ReactOS isn't to be a replacement for modern Windows, it's to be a replacement for legacy versions of Windows that were abandoned ages ago. Also, they entirely gave up on collaborating with the Wine devs, which was probably a mistake in the long term.
>>100132226they cant bare to admit that because along with admitting they're cucks who worked for free for corporations until it became industry standard to need to submit 2-4 projects for free just to get a IT mcjob the only thing they really have left is accusations that proprietary software is unusably bad.
>>100132226It's definitely the best version of Windows. It's the first one to come out during the era when you could expect basic things like not crashing/corrupting the rootfs etc. and it's the last before computers stopped being tools and started being "the edge" where corpos injected adware and worse into people's lives.
>>100150668The main thing is communication of theory between developers and users. Ideal ease of access to artifacts is nice but the shared mental model and the ability of users to influence development are the important parts.FOSS forces that outside of extreme high churn situations like GNOME so people think of them as synonymous but technically they're separate things and occasionally you'll see non-free software doing a better job of this than open source.
>>100150668We already have a "middle ground", it's called source-available. It sucks. Hard.
>>100138808>>100142770>Getting this mad over the name of a style of graphic design
>>100150825I think it's because everyone moved away from making theming easy so we're all forced to agree on "le objectively best theme no you can't theme my app" and since that's impossible whoever it doesn't work well for is always going to be frustrated.
>>100131978anyone who lives frutiger is just a fucking zoomer shithead who is following trends. It was dog shit absolute dog shit and why you'd get third party applications that modified everything visualstyles7 or some shit I forgot. It was huge and bloated. The difference with win11 or win10 is you could change shit enough where you really didn't need to use a load of programs to get things to look nice. However win11 on the verge of becoming shit because you can't even make the taskbar small only to show the time.
>>100150915holy contrarian.
>>100150962no i lived through it you fuckin shithead
>>100132027Yeap it just worked
>>100131978>software just works>video games are made with passion>muh nostagia is the reason whyfuck off
>>100135149would you step out of the car sir, there is proprietary software and hardware in that vehicle
>>100141405>vaporwave or Y2K or any of the dumb millennial aesthetic movementsBoth of those names are a reference to something important to the trend thoughbeit
>>100151462sure.
>>100152993yes, win11/win10 design arent that bad. win11 is worse and I fucking hate the rounded corners on everything.
>>100141405y2k and vaporwave are actually good. that other shit is just garbage no one ever liked.
>>100153170anon I...
>>100150871>>100138808No one called it fruitger aero until zoomers arrived, it was just Aero. What's next, rebranding Aqua as "Forstall Aqua"?
>>100137699>>100141054>>100138808>>100154460Fruitger aero is the name of the windows aero and web 2.0 aesthetic with skeuomorphic icons and glassy texturesIt's not "revisionist bullshit", it's a retrospective name for an era that passed, you can't really identify an era's aesthetic while it's happening. It's not unique to aero either, there's very specific 90s and 80s aesthetics that are defined and given names retroactively.It's similar to naming generations, it's simply useful for identification.
>>100131978Blessed thread >>100131992Me too but I switched to mint at 18, so the nostalgia was mostly transferred
>>100150668Unemployed retard detected. Stop larping.
>>100132353I routinely look at the code of the software i consume just out of idle curiosity or to figure out how to do something
>>100153059
>>100154552This reeks of tranny-autist larping and performative categorization. Fucking kill yourself.
>>100154552bro it's just aero. I have never heard frutiger outside of this thread.
>>100154552Back in that day we (as in people who actually lived through that time, not zoomers with rose-tinted nostalgia glasses) just called that Aero. No fruitnigger bullshit. Also Aqua was basically doing this style long before aero did, but the one thing aero did introduce was a heavy focus on the translucent glass effect (which despite Apple's initial criticism ironically became the prominent visual motif in yosemite, just without the gloss and more aggressive blurring).
>>100154552windows vista upon release was an microsoft knockoff ux of the osx at the time, which had used most of those visual design techniques years prior (high resolution 3d icons, glossy buttons and scroll bars etc.).if you were alive and had interest in computer shit at the time you would know it. it's not something microsoft came up with, nor it has anything to due with adrian frutiger the mid-century typographer. in terms of such contemporary humanist sans-serif fonts for ui or advertising, apple were using lucida grande for the gui and adverts (known as lucida sans unicode in microshart office world).all this 'aesthetics' shit turned from some joke facebook groups to discord retard revisionism. it's so dumb because all of this stuff has been online since it's inception.
>>100152993he's right, this along with the earlier win xp play-dough theme, no matter how neat at first, was shit you would turn off (use the classic theme) or at least tone down (using a plain color wallpaper for example) 2 weeks after the first install because it was distracting.
>>100154609>>100154623>>100154687>>100154765You guys are so fucking autistic kekThe reason you remember "aero" isn't because the deep state is doing a mandela effect and rewriting history, it's because because aero was the official name for the default theme on windows vistaThe second word in "fruiteger aero" is a reference to that windows theme, since it was a prime example of the web 2.0 design language that most people rememberYou're just mad because it has the word "aero" in it. If it was called something else like "2000s naturalistic skeumoprhism" or some shit you wouldn't be having an tism meltdown over the fact that 2 different concepts have the same word
>>100154946>nor it has anything to due with adrian frutiger the mid-century typographerCARI (the research institute that came upw ith "fruiteger aero") regularly mashes 2 words together that don't make sense together but nonetheless evoke the aesthetic, it's a completely normal naming scheme. It's like the same people who name colors stuff words "bubblegum" instead of "pink"
>>100155010>research institutelmao
windows just works, when its not breaking. the problem with linux is that theres often no official software support for a lot of peripherals and the open source replacement app usually doesn't have full functionality of the official app of the product makers. i still install linux on some machines though.
>>100155010>nonetheless evoke the aesthetic,it evokes cringe because it sounds like a high schooler who cannot even look at time lines spanning years of commonly available products larping as "researcher" for his "institute"
>>100155077>it evokes cringeOnly for chuds
>>100155077like using words 'institutional' and 'research' without even having taken a basic statistics course and knowing how to gather and label data, which is autistic by it's nature.it's like the GNOME project CEO - a middle aged white agnostic american woman who one day decided she's a paganic religious 'shaman'. or 'scientology' (it's 'scientific', see).
>>100131978Daily reminder that this guy is a confirmed poojeet and will spazz out when you call him out
>>100131978why does windows 7 make microjeet shills seethe so much?isn't it just windows without the layer of """modern""" shit on top?https://trackerninja.codeberg.page/post/why-i-am-using-windows-7-machine-as-a-daily-driver-in-2024
>>100138950Nice fucking font rendering
>>100150701Because coding is hard, and coding in a way that is compatible with 20 year old closed-source drivers is even harder.
>>100131978>Stop getting nostalgic over proprietary software.How about no
>>1001564561. Install retrobar2. Set your desktop wallapaper to BlissWow that was really hard
>>100138808I dont disagree, but the soulessness of flat design has also contributed to people wanting a different design trend
>>100154609>>100154623>>100154687So I guess you guys never say "Reinassance" or "Baroque" or "Middle Ages"?
>>100131978When Windows 7 was made, Microsoft still cared about making an OS that works the best it can for the user, so the user would buy the OS.Windows 10 and 11 work against the user in many, many ways. There aren't ads in the start menu now, there aren't automatic installs for microtransaction ridden mobile-like games for the user's benefit.Microsoft wants to extract value from you and since you didn't have to pay for Windows10+, stuff like this is the result.
>>100142128As a designer, you are wrong, not everything has to be 256-color pixelshit. Flat-designing everything is actually where we failed.
You can never go back...
>>100158007bro... it hurts...nostalgia is pretty much better times long forgotten. you can tell we live in a post corpo world where everything is basically motivated by money and nothing else. 2000s were about innovation and for the sake of passion but now eveerything is soulless and the only purpose is to shove you with as many ads as they can while tracking you every step of the way.
>>100131978As a zoomer, I actually nostalgiafag over the old GNOME desktop because my foss autist cousin introduced me to linux since the Ubuntu 9.04 days and I actually never used Windows 7 in my life.
>back in my time it was greatIs it all nostalgia? I have nostalgia, I look at the pics itt and I feel it. But is there any actual argument being made over better/worse UI?I'm thinking it's all just slop anyway, normies love the novelty, contrarians complain, then a few years later it all reverses.
>>100158342see >>100158190times were better in every sense and corpo didnt have the tech industry in a chokehold like they do now. everything now is corporatized every app has 20 telemetries for the sake of harvesting data about you and the tech industry only makes shit to keep harvesting more info in more ways. its not just nostalgia.time used to be better unironically but we are heading towards a corporation owned dystopia and i wish i was joking
>>100158342>is there any actual argument being made over better/worse UI?>I'm thinking it's all just slop anywayPretty much. I mostly just stick to whatever the default is. I can never relate to all the autists endlessly discussing desktop environments - it's just a fucking program launcher, who fucking cares.As far as usability goes, I can, for example, see how the Start menu of Windows 10, with its inline expanding directories and scrollable items, is much more usable than the classic, ever-expanding static Start menu. I can also see the utility in GNOME's fullscreen application menu with large icons, and I agree that desktop icons are, at best, redundant. But does any of this really affect me that much? Meh.
>>100131978works on my machine
>>100153036Win10 is the ugliest fucking windows version ever.
>>100131978It was the last time windows did what the user wanted instead of trying to force the user to do what windows wants.
>>100150668Here is the real thing it needs to happen: get rid of intellectual property and you will have no more proprietary software.
>>100153059yeah but garbage in 2007 that no one liked is still beautiful compared to anything today.
>>100138954>AI artnot even once.
>>100158007I just installed wmp9 and this skin, still works
>>100131978How is it """"locked down"""" you lying tranny shill lmao It lets me everything i want to do without getting in my way, and kikerosoft has abandoned it completelyMy wife Nanami is cute and perfect, deal with it
>>100131978>no open source frutiger aeroThis is why linux sucks.
>>100159325it's still proprietary. XP does have the advantage though in that its source code is available. Not legally, but you do know what you're running. Here's to hoping for a leak for 7 so that I know what's inside the best windows.
>>100131978yes abandonware is superior to anything that receives Microsoft's attention these days
>>100137614>>100132226ChatGPT, I...
N
>>100154460>What's next, rebranding Aqua as "Forstall Aqua"?No, that's Fruitynigger Aero too.
>>100132226Even though I am a FOSSfag I'd still use Windows XP if it was a viable option in anno domini 2024
am i allowed to be nostalgic over proprietary games?
>>100163168>he isn't the admin on his pcare you a cuck or something?
>>100131978why would i be nostalgic?i used my computer just this morning
>>100164111>can't read properlybased retard
>>100163168grim future for wincuck users
>>100158597bullshit win10 was good.
>>100131978>fruity zoomergo back with that reddit lingo
>>100159325>It lets me everything i want to do without getting in my wayChange the desktop environment.Change the kernel.Change the source code.Literally try to customize it in any sort of way beyond changing the wallpaper.
>>100159972https://gitgud.io/wackyideas/aerothemeplasma
>>100132403this so much
>>100131978I've never felt nostalgia for Windows.>>100133244I've had good times when using various Windows operating systems, but I still don't have any nostalgia for any version of it.
>>100158190You are retarded if you think this wasn't always the case.
>>100131978>Aerolol, lmao even
>>100170780What is even the point if you're not gonna get the font rendering right?
>>100171444What the hell are you talking about Hans
>>100131987It's so fresh and original, it's like I'm back in 2012.Wojaks... man, what a concept.
>>100138950I think your video card is dying.
>>100131978is that luke smith on the bottom left
>>100171465Bitmap font rendering, mein Neger. Are you blind?
>>100171580Don't know what your autistic kraut point is, it's native Windows 7 with the native Windows Classic theme, looks the same as it did in 2009, it's real and it's spectacular
>>100171617>2009Yeah, that's exactly my point. You will never be a real Windows Classic.But yeah, you're either blind or in denial, but that crisp, pixel-perfect font is what's missing.
>>100131978no thanks, kys nigger
>>100171687It wasn't meant to be a perfect autistic recreation of the Win9x look, the grey is a different shade too but you didn't complain about that.Besides I'm posting from the real thing while you're posting from some fake VM.2009 yeah but as far as I can remember it looks identical to the Windows XP Classic Theme from 2001. I don't have fond memories of Windows 9x, they sucked ass. Windows 7 was peak operating system, as long as you changed to Classic Theme which is what I did on day one.
>>100171751Fair enough, enjoy your blurry fonts.
>>100131978So we're not allowed to get nostalgic over basically any video game except Tux Racer either?>>100132226No they still claim that GIMP or LibreOffice are anything but absolute trash and even equal to the real equivalents
>>100171687>You will never be a real Windows Classic.NTA but you can turn off ClearType in Windows 7 to get the same font rendering as this.
still using chicago95
>>100171796can you? i thought it just disables subpixel rendering but keeps greyscale blur. maybe the win7 anon can confirm
>>100171835
>>1001585978 and less so 8.1 were so ugly noone used them
>>100165930much appreciated, thanks anon
>>100171894thanks. looks like it does remove the blur, but not everywhere (theme selector), depending on whether the font itself supports it. there may or may not be a way to force Tahoma everywhere. the kerning also looks off in the urlbar.
>>100171941I think the setting only affects GDI, perhaps DirectWrite or whatever doesn't acknowledge it and still draws AA'd text.
>>100171929The problem with 8 wasn't that it was ugly, it was that it had a retarded layout. I mean it was kinda ugly too, but 10 inherited most of it's aesthetic except it's even worse.
