First

Sapphire is now launching motherboards
https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphire-launches-b650i-nitro-mini-itx-motherboard-for-amd-am5-processors

>>100140778
Does that mean AM5 is here to stay for a long time?

>>100140784
Not really. Supporting 8000 and 9000 series sounds good but Ryzen 8000 is just APUs and mobile chips. Most likely we'll get Ryzen 9000 this year and an X3D refresh in 2025. Plus maybe some low-end or OEM CPUs after that.

>>100140759
literally no other post on this thread will top this one

>>100140784
>>100140851
If its anything like AM4 it will be on life support until 2026.

>>100140852
OP is actually better.

>>100140861
Yes I would expect a few "post-prime" releases a la the 5700X3D but AM4 is/was unusually long-lived in terms of mainline support. You could definitely get good value out of AM5 with a "7600 to 9600X3D" upgrade path but don't expect 3-4 major architectural revisions like we got with AM4.

>"wait end of year for new intel socket and gpus bro"
>it's April

Are you guys serious.

7800X3D
7900 GRE
1080p gaming for the next decade. Hell yeah

>>100140953
who are you quoting

>mfw I'm going to strange electrical parts shops to get some rubber grommets for vibration dampening purposes
Fractal really could have made it easier on me by just selling the rubber alone but nooooo...

>>100140953
Do you upgrade your PC multiple times a year? Retard.

>>100140953
Lots of anons who wasted big money on a 5950X (plus board, ram, etc) when the 7600X was right around the corner.
Same for 3090 Ti's and 6950 XT's actually.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-8000-rdna4-gpus-rumored-to-use-18-gbps-gddr6-memory

AYYMDEAD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

>>100140953
Do you not have other hobbies bro

>>100140959
>4070 Super is a 1080p card
what a GRIM timeline

>>100141115
If it keeps the price down. I'd like for GPUs to return to actually offering better FPS/$ than the cards they're replacing again. For most of RDNA3's existence, everything below the 7900 XT/XTX was a regression over the 6800/XT & 6900/XT.

>>100141207
In a better timeline, the 4070 super die is a $400 4060ti

>gigabyte 4080 super gaming oc
Any major issues with this one before I pull the trigger? The asus tuf is a little bit cheaper but it seems to be more prone to coil whine.

>>100141212
only DLSS and RT is relevant when it comes to GPUs. if AyyMD can't do them better than NvidiGOD, it's irrelevant.

>>100141228
Yeah it uses the cheapest fucking MOSFETs for it's vcore vrm. Ones made by a company who has made explosive VRMs in the past

what do...
buy a 7600x CPU or wait for the 9000 serie to drop?
what do...

>>100141244
Any other model that you would recommend? The FE isn't available in my country.

>>100141271
Wait of course.

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>mfw I stay on am4 since oct 2019
Time flies as fast as my last money.

>>100141271
Buy a 7600(X), you can easily resell it to a sucker.

>>100141297
yeah i bought a 7700x few days ago on amazon, but i immediately returned it after i discovered that the 9000 serie was close.
>>100141309
that's not nice :(

anyway now i'm wondering what GPU buy...

>>100141327
gtx 1060 3gb

>>100141331
but i already have a 1070....

>>100141271
As always, upgrade only when you're not happy with your current PC's performance. Of course that's entirely subjective so I'll give my own opinion as an aside. Assuming you're mostly in to AAA gaming then anything from Zen3 or Comet Lake should be fine to keep until the new releases. Presumably you don't have a 4090 so the chance of a CPU bottleneck is limited. If you're on Zen2 or earlier then upgrading to Zen4 now would be reasonable. Assuming, once again, you're actually noticing a diminution in performance from your current CPU.

>>100141341
>>100141360 here,
In fact, just post your full specs and we can give you more reasoned advice. A PCPP link or a HWinfo screenshot will do.

>>100141360
>>100141366
I-5 7600K @4,2 GHz, GTX1070, 16 GB 2,4 GHz, 750 W PSU, Maximum Hero IX as MOBO.

>>100141327
https://bestvaluegpu.com/

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>>100140754
12400F + RTX 4060 or
13400F + RTX 3060

FAST, i live in uruguay they are both at the same price rn

Every stocks are limited

>>100141415
The 4060 is superior CPU chips don't make huge leaps forward in terms of performance so I doubt the 13 is worth it

>>100141415
13400F is better ofc

>>100141376
Thanks anon. Given your specs I'd say a full system upgrade is in order. A new card alone would be hamstrung by the CPU and a new CPU likewise by the card. You could maybe keep the PSU and case but replacing everything else would be reasonable.
Set a budget and tell us what you want to do with the rig - what sort of games you like plus any other high-performance applications like video editing or music prod.
For extra credit, tell us your country and what monitor you have (and if you want to replace it).
As for whether to wait, unfortunately it does come down to your own assessment. You can get a huge performance increase if you buy now but equally the next gen top-end isn't that far out. If it were me I'd wait if your budget is >$2k and build now if it's lower because next gen high/midrange is likely a year away. Again, assuming you've got a real subjective reason to upgrade - if all you play is Slay the Spire then you could keep that rig for another 10 years.

>>100141444
>>100141446
So gotta go for 4060??
I live in uruguay
It cant be 13400f and 4060

>>100141287
Gainward, palit, pny and msi are okay
The ones using those bad MOSFETs are gigabyte, colorful, inno3d and zotac

>>100141415
First off, check prices on the 12600KF. If budget permits, pair that with a 4060.
If not then the decision is down to system longevity. The 13400 should last a bit longer than the 12400 due to the extra cores and cache but that's only relevant if you intend to upgrade the card in the near future. If not, then the 12400 build would have more legs.

>>100141453
ok got it

>>100141483
Thanks anon, what about asus? The tuf is the cheapest card available here.

>>100141341
G. T. X. 10. 60. 3. G. B.

>>100141490
F version. 13400 doesnt exist here

>>100141666
asus' vrm is fine but they have coil whine problems

>>100141703
Yeah I was just being lazy - they're the same thing.

>>100141829
It seems that 13400f 3060 is still the best option

Do I get arctic freezer III for ryzen 9 7950x3d or air cooler?
I want my PC to be silent, but I'm scared an AiO will leak and damage it.

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>>100141891
Well, between AIO and air I will prefer air cooler with two sections.

>>100136642
>>100136925
Clueless anon from yesterday here. Thanks for the detailed reply.
I think now I understand. So it's always just one size for all memory modules. E.g. for 6 controllers (192 bit), you can't go 4x2 GB + 2x4 GB for 16 GB total, correct? That's really what kept me from understanding it because I saw that the 4060 Ti and the 4070 both seem to have clamshell configs (right? that's what having mem controllers on either side is?) and naturally the chip is larger for the 4070 because more controllers and more GPCs. But I didn't know that you could only go full 2 GB OR full 4 GB. Or perhaps you can mix different-size modules, but then that screws with performance again, like in dual channel RAM?

So the cucking, if I understand this correctly, is a result of both technological limitations and somewhat understandable greed because giving us a 24 GB 4070 does seem a bit like shooting themselves in the foot, as you explained. Though it also makes me dream of 32 GB 4080s and far beyond that on a 4090 and Teslas/Quadros.

>>100141891
>>100141932
you need an AIO to cool that CPU, and it actually says so on AMD's product page

>>100141992
Ah, then I will choose custom loop with bykski components.

>>100141891
you can cool it with the phantom assassin evo

>>100142013
Why?

what are your thoughts on curved screens?

>>100142069
Because I can easily maintain it. And I can choose every single component in it.

>>100142074
I like curved women and I don't like curved marketing bullshit.

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Should i get
Antsc NeoECO modular 550
Or
Xpg pylon 550w
For RTX 4060

>>100140754
So beautiful, it's like Christmas but with dandruff.

>>100142095
Antec*

>>100142074
temporary faggetry. most people utilize multiple screen be it for work or pasttime. 2 is minimum nowadays, 3 is standard. Gayyyymers are into the refresh and fps fuckery too. Curved gayness won't improve shit, just interfere with the setup.

>>100141992
Are there ant incidents documented of arctic freezer (II or III) leaking?

I'm tired of waiting for next gen GPUs. I'm not fucking paying $750 for an RTX 3080 after this many years when I paid a similar amount for a 3060 Ti 2 years ago. Why the fuck do I have to wait almost 4 years for the opportunity to buy a GPU at MSRP here in the EU? Give me something new on the high end, Ada offers no meaningful improvement outside of the two $1500-2000 cards.

>>100142095
They are the same, dude.

>>100142151
Why don't you have a gpu in 2024, pleb?

>>100142173
I've had high end GPUs plenty in the past, but the available supply really hasn't been doing the job in recent years.

>>100142151
>I paid a similar amount for a 3060 Ti 2 years ago

This was a mistake unless you were coming from a 9xx card. There was hardly any reason for people who had a 1070 or better card to buy 2xxx or 3xxx series, especially if you didn't care about Ray Tracing

>>100142312
I skipped out on Pascal and Turing. Or at least indirectly by being stuck with Vega GPUs before selling those off almost immediately. So pretty much coming from the Maxwell generation into that after god knows how many years of waiting for anything resembling "value". Even even then you can't really excuse it as "oh you would have bought a 1080 Ti at that price anyway". In my case I would have cared heavily about memetracing for rendering.

A decent cheap IPS monitor or a cheap noname chinkshit miniled IPS with 384 dimming zones? Don't care about muh epic fastest gaymer response times, just want good colors and a pretty picture with 120+ hz refresh rate
also will be used for the office kind of work
Main concerns with the latter one are - it's chinkshit, with all that it implies, the display seems to have terrible glow without local dimming, and since dimming zones are huge there will of course be noticeable halos around everything.
But the promise of at least approaching true HDR makes me consider it over getting a boring ass regular decent quality monitor
not a burger so sadly the likes of the aoc or the other cheap but better quality miniLED monitors are unavailable to me

>>100142085
>I like curved women
faggot

What's a good cheap AM4 mobo with wifi?

>>100142438
No, you are a faggot, I prefer women.

>>100142441
MAXSUN TERMINATOR B550M 2.5G from aliexpress. It is TCL's brand.

Currently got a 5800x non 3D
The 7800X3D looks pretty juice considering

Should i jump the AM5 gun or is there anything new being released by the end of this year?

>>100142438
and
>>100142456
Here. I am a HUGE faggot, please rape my face.

>>100142476
No, dude, what are you doing? You have parasites in your body.

>>100142441
ASRock Phantom Gaming 4/ac

>>100142470
ryzen 9000 is gonna be released next quarter and its supposed to be a large upgrade over previous gen just like zen4 was

>>100142482
Parasites make you more attractive so faggot anon wins

>>100142151
RTX Blackwell paper launch Q3 2024. Trust the leaks. 100% legit no scam.

>>100142470
No, there is no need at all to waste money on things you don't need.

>>100142491
Oh that soon? Huh is that still AM5?

the op is outdated

recommend me a good value 1440p 144hz 27" monitor please. it's going to mainly be used for working from home till i upgrade my pc down the road at some point so getting the best gaming performance isn't a priority right now and i can always relegate the monitor to being a 2nd monitor if i want a top of the range gaming monitor later on. ideally the monitor i'm looking for currently will have a good pixel layout for reading text, easy brightness adjustment, bright (HDR 400+ maybe?), thin bezels if possible and good colour reproduction if possible because my current monitor has a 3000:1 contrast ratio and quantum dots so the colours are awesome.

if it helps this is my current monitor and i love it:

https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/gaming/24--cfg73-gaming-monitor-with-quantum-dot-lc24fg73fqnxza/

>>100142557
>27"
go 32"

>>100140754
>Gaming: 13600KF/7600
>High end gaming: 14700K/7800X3D
The 5800X3D is the same price as the 13600KF, how is that not a recommendation?

>>100142569
i don't have the space and i use a dual monitor arm which doesn't support anything above 27"

>>100142601
that and
>no amd gpu
is long overdue , the op makes no sense and needs to be overhauled

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>>100140754
There is no ddr cl30 in my area
Is CL40 good?

>>100142512
Yes its still on am5

>>100142626
cl30 is a meme anon
whoever made the op needs to get shot

>>100142634
Shut the fuck up tard, you have no idea what you're talking about

>>100142640
retard alert

>>100142626
cl40 is a gamble
cl30 is good not only for out of box xmp performance, but because it guarantees sk hynix a-die or 24gbit m-die which also has superior stability at tight timings

>>100142645
>projection
Typical fucking brainlet

>>100140778
They release an AM4 Mobo in the past. They make cases, coolers, and even mobos for Asian market. Only America and EU get the GPUs

>>100142664
no arguments: the post

>>100142650
Whats the cheapest ddr5 cl30?
Vgen?

>>100142672
No argument to be made
you're a retard, simple as

None of you will be able to buy anything anyway since we're looking at a possible financial crash this summer.

>>100142703
yeah source or gtfo, FUDfag

>>100142703
People who wait are dumb. The more wait the more you spend.

>>100142703
>he doesn't store his savings in physical gold
ngmi

>>100142025
>phantom assassin
That's a dota2 hero, anon

>>100142703
2 more weeks

My monitor has some Lines running through it. I'm thinking of replacing it because I don't think it's fixable.
Should I get 2 1080p monitors or Spend the money for a 1440p or 4k monitor?
What's the opinion Size Vs # for monitors?

>>100142703
What universe do you live in? Financial crash has been going on since the early 1970's.

>>100142703
Waiting is never a good idea. it never improves, it never gets any better not anymore.

>>100142953
what type of panel? scanlines are expected on VAs to an extent

the monitor market is fucked. way too many IPShit panels. after using VA and witnessing true eye candy i can never go back to IPshit.

>>100143013
the fuck are you babbling about? There are plenty of VA monitors for sale

>>100142626
Where are you located?

>>100142634
It's not at all. Your PC won't have terrible performance if you don't get CL30, but there's basically no reason not to. And as the other Anon said, that's the sweetspot for AM5 RAM in terms of XMP and good dies, though I'm not sure it guarantees the dies mentioned by him. Last I looked, G-Skills has the Hynix on their CL30 DDR5, but Corsair didn't. But I may be wrong on that.

>>100142703
I've lived through 2 financial crashes and I've always been able to buy stuff. It's what living in a true 1st world nation is like.

>>100142387
bump

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>>100142975
Not those sorts of lines brother. The vertical coloured lines. It's probably a loose connection or something.
I honestly just ignore it and have been for a long while. I usually forget it's there at all.
It's TN though.

i just finished a build and getting the new pc set and ran into a weird problem
>install windows etc
>start downloading programs and drivers and such
>download steam
>oh fuck i forgot all my login info
>tdlr use old pc to get login inf
>set new pc back up
problem is here
>red led on case blinks when i power it and the gpu fans wont run
im pretty fucking sure its not a psu issue because it was running just fine before. and it 'might' be caused by the installing the amd drivers for the gpu. any ideas?

>>100143092
forgot to add, monitor isnt receiving any signals either. i tried connecting the hdmi to the motherboard connection as well.

another graphics card fixed with heat gun reflow

>>100143092
>set new pc back up
Check to see you've plugged in everything correctly.
It's probably not the driver, but if it was, you could just chuck your old pc hard drive into your new pc and boot off of that and see if it displays.

>>100140991
>Same for 3090 Ti's and 6950 XT's actually.
The only people that got screwed on the 6950 XT were those that bought at MSRP during the crypto boom. People that picked one up for 500-600 USD did great given that something comparable/outright better than it for that price point didn't come out until the 7900 GRE had its memory OC issues fixed.

>>100142626
CL30 = Hynix. CL36/CL40 Samsung B-die. The 6000CL30 kit is able to go further on later CPU upgrades with manual overclock, 6000CL30 is just the sweet spot for Zen 4, whereas the CL40 kit is probably close to maxed out what the die is capable of. I have a 6000CL36 Corsair kit with Samsung B-die, and even at stock XMP settings its on the edge of stability

>>100143172
same thing no gpu power and no signal to the monitor :( all the connections are fine.

>>100143278
>>100143172
i just tried connecting the hdmi to the mb and disconnecting the gpu power connection and the same thing happens

> buy a 3k $ rig
> too broke to afford a screen/tv that goes with it
Damn I'm fucking wasting my game time playing Elden Ring on my old ass TV.
Please comfort me in the fact that I might not be losing much

>>100143365
Assuming your CPU has integrated graphics, doesn't seem to be the GPU. What exactly did you do to it in the interim of realizing you didn't have the passwords to the error?
Just take it off the desk or did you change anything or take something out of it?

>>100143401
why not buy a 2k rig and a 1k tv?

>>100143401
Nope, you fucked up buying a rig this expensive without a good screen. To play Elden Ring, at that. That game runs well on budget rigs.

>>100143422
its an i5 12400F and amazon says 'discrete graphics required'. also none of the physical components were changed outside of the outside connections to the case.

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>Order RTX 4080 Super for $999 on Amazon April 6th
>Still has not shipped or even billed my credit card in almost three weeks
>I just came into other money issues at home
>Cancel order.

At least I wasn't charged by holy shit, were they just EXPECING to have the cards in stock some time this month? Fuck Amazon, I'll gladly spend an extra $200 on Newegg to get it shipped in 4 days, next time I have cash.

>>100143422
Why didn't you just use DLSS bro?

>>100143547
meant for >>100143401

>>100143492
Well if you don't have an Integrated GPU, don't bother putting the HDMI in the motherboard, it won't work.
So you need a gpu for display.
Do you have another GPU in your old rig? Swap out your new AMD and try to uninstall the drivers. You installed.
Worse case, you might need to put your drive in your old PC and uninstall the drivers that way, and then try it in the new PC again.
I didn't think it was, but from what you describe, it could be very little else.

>>100143435
>>100143486
Needed the extra for some procedural 3D work
>>100143555
I don't even know what that is, gonna check it right now.

>>100143595
before i do all that, should i try just formatting with my usb boot? and starting over again and see if the installing the drivers again does the same thing?

>>100143609
Whatever is easier for you really anon.

>>100142456
>I prefer women
stop being a faggot mr faglord

>>100143633
dang i hope im right this is tedious procress jfc. well thanks for the help anon

torn between Asus TUF Gaming VG249Q3A and LG 24GN600-B, which one better?

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>>100143678
Or what, you will bend over before me and spread your fat butt-cheeks?

>>100143727
sounds kinda gay

>>100140754
This thread is made by rich faggots you don't need nothing more than an rx 6600 and r5 5600 for 1080p gaming go neck yourselves

>>100143779
Dude, there is nothing gayish between sex of two fat males with beards.

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>>100140754
That's not dusty enough, son.

Does anyone have a best value GPU chart?

>>100140754
>AVOID: Dark Rock Pro 4/5
>AVOID: 4000D airflow

Could you please explain why? Year ago, when I was picking parts for new PC, I actually considered these case and fans and saw many positive opinions about them.

>>100143861
cheaper and better performing options exist for both the cpu cooler and case. Neither are worth it unless you can get a good discount.

>>100143797
Aren't both those in the OP though? what's the issue if people want to price up to run things faster or at higher fps?
>>100143835
Arc A580
RX 6600
RTX 4060

>>100140754
Cheapest PSU guaranteed not to blow up my computer
>inb4 not evga

>budget: <1400€
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hzjFL9

Thoughts on this build? Is the RAM small enough to fit with the cooler? Also, the MOBO is a random cheap one I know nothing about

That GPU and CPU are core parts I'm building around. I've already managed to drop the price from 1600€ to 1400€.

>>100143928
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hzjFL9
Get at LEAST 2X8Gb sticks of RAM. 2x16 would be better and at 6000MHz Cas Latency 30. 2 sticks means better performance

>>100143890
you can get a low end psu for $80 like seasonic g12

>>100142557
nobody?

>>100142614
a sane OP would just make a seperate recommendation list for nvidia and AMD, but of course the threadmakers have their own agenda.

>>100143957
MTB-KF548C38BBK2-16-1
Couldn't find it on the site, but is this better? Found a used one for 20€ cheaper. I do have a proper 2x16 in mind, but that's out of my immediate budget, so I'll upgrade it in a few months or whenever I'm being bottlenecked

>>100144054
it's a cheap slow stick of ram. You can use it until you can buy a normal 2x16 kit. Then you can keep it as a spare in your drawer.

>>100143928
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hgx3GP
If I were you I would do something like this instead. $55 more but you get a significantly better CPU, twice as much RAM and a minor PSU upgrade. You could save a tiny bit more if you went for a normal sized case and motherboard but it wouldn't be so neat and aesthetic that's up to you.

>>100143928
>yuro
Use your local pcpartpicker if possible, its hard to recommend stuffs because local pricing differs

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why does my pc suddenly takes minutes to shut down?
it usually shuts down in 4-5 seconds, but the last two days the screen goes black but the pc continues to work for minutes before actually closing

>>100142557
MSI G274QPF-QD

>>100144131
i don't know anon did you install some weird software on your PC recently?

>>100144131
steam

>>100144148
no, I only use trusted sources such as fitgirl and 1337x.to

>>100144148
>>100144159
got some xbox game pass but i always close that program when i'm done gayming

>>100143928
ram should fit cooler, Phantom spirit has an adjustable fan. but Kingston fury is low profile enough you're probably fine. other guys right thought you want 2 sticks anon it works better.

>>100144126
Oh, that's convenient. https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/hzjFL9
>>100144123
Yeah... that's almost a 150 more expensive, and around 1400 is the cutoff whether I can even buy it at all. I also thought that 7600 was about equal to the 5800x3d, but the latter cuts off any upgrading prospects and is 110€ more expensive

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>>100140754
KLEVV BOLT V PC48000 6000MHZ

is it CL30?

>>100144313
get a random 40 euro case so you can afford your ram, watch out for cooler clearance.
also get b650m-hdv/m.2.
perkele

>>100144313
>I also thought that 7600 was about equal to the 5800x3d
You can't really compare them, the x3d cache just makes it so the x3d does certain things better despite any GHz difference between the chips. Cache tech just doesn't really develop much on CPU's.
For what it's worth I agree with you, unless you have an existing AM4 system probably not worth getting a 5800X3D, better to just go with a 7600 AM5 and hope the next X3D chips out class the cache tech we have now and upgrade then.

will the new amd 9000 series still me am5 meaning if i get a 7000 series cpu i could upgrade down the line?

>>100144423
You've got a good point. I don't know why I had a case that's twice the price of all the other matx cases

Good AM5+ Board?

>>100144313
https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/dmcpkJ
Here you go, 5800x3D and 32GB, within budget, only changes otherwise are case and motherboard. Way better than what you had. Alternatively
https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/7LRWvj
You can get an 7800x3D within budget and it's the best CPU on the market. You've got a lot of easy upgrades on this build, if you add another 16GB stick of RAM in the future you've got
>7800x3D
>RX 7900
>32GB RAM
Which is a monster of a machine. Then you can add as much storage as you want as you need it. The main compromise is on the PSU, going from modular to non-modular and gold to bronze is definitely a downgrade but as long as you can build it in the case it'll be a nonissue, you can make upgrading it your priority down the line.

air or aio
what's your guys opinion longterm?

>>100144609
Sort for features you want in a mainboard first, then come back with the resulting set to see if anyone recommends anything. In general, Assrock are good.

>>100144626
Long-term? Air

>>100144626
>Budget
Air
>Mid Range
Don't bother, go budget
>High end
Air = AIO. AIO is more aesthetic, quieter and will give you better case airflow. But don't think Air is cheaper at this price point or worse, you can easily pay as much for a high end Air cooler as an AIO and if you do the Air cooler will probably beat the AIO, plus it'll last forever. AIO's aren't likely to break but they aren't as simple as a chunk of metal with fans attached.

>>100144644
Looking at the one in the OP ASRock B650M-HDV
DDR5 Boards can do DDR4 aswell nowadays or is that still locked?

>>100144646
>>100144663
thought so currently got an aio in my case but i've seen some nasty videos of aios rotting and stuff....

>>100144672
No, DDR5 is DDR5 only.

>>100144626
Air is just better most of the time. Cheaper, more reliable. Slapping an AK620 or Peerless Assassin on any chip that isn't a top end overclocked i9 housefire will work fine.

>>100144626
Long term AIR
Better looks AIO
Air just works, AIO looks better sounds better and probably requires more maintenance.

>>100144609
There's a spreadsheet that lists all boards and has detailed vrm information. Google am5 spreadsheet

>>100144678
Shit i just upgraded to 32GB DDR4, okay
>>100144687
>Google am5 spreadsheet
Thank you

I honestly regret building a pc. Should've just have bought a console instead imho. Because I don't take gaming as seriously as I used to and stuff, and a console would be cheaper. Upgrading is such a hassle and stuff, and I don't want to accidentally break anything when upgrading.

>>100144663
That's a nice post in general, but currently, we have a budget price cooler that mogs absolutely every other air cooler, even ones three times as expensive. And it competes with AIOs. See OP, Thermalright PS 120 Evo.

>>100144626
Same shit. Pick whatever you prefer and is within budget.
If you decide on air cooling: thermalright phantom spirit/peerless assassin
AIO: Arctic liquid freezer size of your choosing/case fitting

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Day 383 of waiting for next-gen GPUs. I wish I had foreskin.

>>100144693
Yeah, you sound technologically inept, you would be better off with a children's toy, but I'm thinking crayons and colouring books are more your speed

>>100144693
If you're content with shitty FPS, yeah, you should've gone for console. Upgrading is only a hassle if you're swapping out CPU or mainboard. Everything else is pretty ez.

>>100144693
How much did your PC cost?
What games do you play?
What console would you have bought?
IMO, if you don't take gaming seriously, a PC is a better pick because it can do other stuff besides game.
A console would be cheaper unless you fell into the trap of getting the new versions they release constantly.
Outside the CPU pins I don't think you're lucky to break anything as stiff as some shit can feel it's mostly all solid.

>>100144703
>thermalright phantom spirit/peerless assassin
L O L

I have two mismatched ram kits in my pc to give me a total of 24 gigabytes of ram. Since it's already inside my machine, should I just leave it there since it works and gives me extra memory?

I finished my first build, everything is going good, but I'm having a weird issue I can't nail down. Every now and then there's this weird artifacting on the screen. Doesn't happen in games, usually ony when using browsers/basic os stuff. Hard to describe but like black shapes that will flash or move across the screen. Regional, not the whole screen. Really fast, like subliminal images speed. I've noticed it happening when watching videos the movement of the artifacting can follow movement in the video. Would that be an internal component issue or monitor? I've checked cables, made sure the gpu is seated properly, checked drivers. It's bugging me.

>>100144743
If your PC is stable, and you don't plan to do any overclocking, sure. Just know neither are probably running at their rated speeds.

>>100144730
It cost me 500 dollars back in 2020. I play a large variety of games from different genres and don't stick to one. I would have gotten a PS5, and I'm pretty sure a PS5 is cheaper than the PC equivalent.

>>100144748
It's an Nvidia feature with chromium browsers that's been around for months now

>>100144743
24gb is weird
Unless it's the latest ddr5 modules, it means that you have 16gb of dual channel memory and 8gb of single channel memory performance

>>100144748
I'm 99.999% sure I know what you are dealing with anon. My friend and I both got it. Mine self resolved a while ago, we just did a rebuild for him (7700X/4070) and he "switched the renderer on chrome from default to opengl and now no longer getting the black artifacts"

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I turned on an old PC one last time before gutting it, OS didn't detect... lovely. Replugged SATA, tried again...
BRIGHT YELLOW SPARK SIZZLING ON TOP OF GPU PCB FOR A FEW SECONDS


Hmm. Reckon the power supply is fucked? I was really hoping to reuse that. The motherboard and CPU are already totally worthless (and that's coming from a hoarder) and going straight in the bin. I wanted to make a NAS out of leftovers. Fuck.

>>100144743
My 24gb brother. DDR3 as well?


Have you guys ever smelled the magic smoke, or seen sparks?

>>100141301
I've been waiting to upgrade from my old 6700K/GTX 1080 Ti for so long my PC building fund now has over $20,000 in it. I used to build a new PC every year, but this thing is still perfect for what I do. Think I'll just get a new car instead.

>>100144748
Nvidia card? That can happen with Nvidia GPUs and a particular Windows update that changes something about the DirectX API. It will result in artifacts/flickering in Chromium-based applications, e.g. Chrome, Edge, Steam, etc. So far, there is no fix but to downgrade to an earlier Nvidia driver. The ball is, unfortunately, in Microsoft's court, Nvidia can't do anything about it currently. At least that's what I last found out when researching it (~1 month ago).

>>100144839
Jesus fuck how much money do you put aside each month just for a new PC? And I really hope you didn't just keep that in a normal bank account or under your mattress?

nvme is backwards compatible right? 5.0 slots can use 4.0 and 4.0?

>>100144869
>>100144823
>>100144781
Yeah Nvidia. Cool I was worried I got a bum gpu. Thanks

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>>100144775
In terms of raw hardware power, yeah the PS5 is better value. Devs can just optimize better. If you only play offline games and just want to occasionally buy some big triple A release, Yea, probably a PS5 would have served you better. If you play online, at least you've not paid 3 years for PlayStation Plus.
If you're looking for value for money in gayming you should just get something like Gamepass which works on pc. I'd say that's the best value for money thing right now in general if you only play games casually, large variety you can stop whenever you want no buyers' remorse just sub and unsub whenever you feel like it's just renting.
You could just try to sell your PC and buy the PS5 also I guess. 2020 means the parts aren't that old.

So what's the rundown on Newegg+

Okay well gonna get the following to upgrad my existing 5800X non 3D AM4 build

>7800X3D
>32GB DDR 5 6000
>ASRock A620M-HDV/M.2 AMD A620M So.AM5 Dual Channel DDR5 mATX Retail

>>100144054
just an FYI you should only use kits you buy. so don't buy 1x16 and use it unless you want JEDEC speeds or system instability. buy a 2x16 kit

>>100144889
That's not NVME, it's PCI-E, and yes, PCI-E is always compatible in all directions. You can put a PCI-E 1.0 in a 5.0 and a 5.0 in a 1.0.

>>100140754
>>MOTHERBOARD
>ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2
should be noted this version of the board can onlypower up cpus up to 65w

the HDV/M.2+ modell can go up to 120w

>>100144928
Get CL 30 memory.

>>100144994
Is it still standard to go with the lowest latency? Is DDR5s latency just that high?

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>>100144928
I mean that is an upgrade but it's not exactly a huge one anon. I hope you have a 4090 at that point because otherwise it's definitely a waste.

>>100145010
Nah but i'm gonna get a 5080 by the end of the year

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>>100140991
>wasted big money on a 5950X (plus board, ram, etc) when the 7600X was right around the corner.

>>100145005
6000 CL 30 memory is the sweetspot for DDR 5 memory, will run XMP mode stable, and yes, latencies are higher than DDR4.

>>100144928
Do NOT get an A620 board, they're e-waste shite

>>100145059
Is that even noticeable?
>>100145061
That bad??

What gpu doesn't bottleneck the 7800X3D?

Should I get an AM4 mobo with built in WiFi or look for a deal and just grab an adapter? I've never bothered with wifi on a PC before.

>>100145072
4090
>>100145083
you buy AM5

>>100145025
The 5080 will likely not be any better than the 4090, you should just get the 4090 or save for the 5090. At best the 5080 will be the same VRAM with a few % performance improvement for the same price but given how stingy Nvidia has been I wouldn't even hope for that. Here's another way to look at it too
>5800x3D + 5090
>7800x3D + 5080
What you'll save upgrading now could be spent on getting that 5090 instead of a 5080 and the difference will be way higher than the difference between a 5800x3D and a 7800x3D. There is no rational way in which this upgrade makes sense if you don't eventually get a 4090 or 5090

>>100145071
XMP? Yeah. It's not the most important thing about your PC's performance, but why gimp yourself there? 6000 CL30 RAM is also basically the same price as worse ones, so you're not really spending more.

>>100145083
General rule for all mainboards: If the mainboard has an Intel wifi module, that's great. Realtek is ok. Mediatek is shit, you'll need to get a PCI-E card or just the module if you have a free M2-E slot.

>>100145083
Are you buying new or upgrading? Buying new just get it on motherboard but don't replace the motherboard just for wifi

>>100144928
just buy an 5800X3D and wait for AM6

>>100145094
Hmm i see i mean ehh depends on the price but i just know the 5090 will be fucking expensive
>>100145100
Alright!
>>100145157
Nah i can get the 7800x3D now for 349

>>100145186
Yes the 5090 will be fucking expensive but so will the 5080, the difference of which could be made up by not doing this upgrade now

>>100145186
>Nah i can get the 7800x3D now for 349
does that include the cost of new ram and mobo anon?

>>100145208
nta, i doubt new amd cpus this quarter will have a huge impact over the 7000 series.

>>100145094
Erm shouldn't the 5080 be significantly cheaper than the 4090 is now? I.e. not 2k but something like 1-1.2k? Or are they going to make the 5090 cost 3k?

>>100145221
I was talking about GPUs not CPUs

>>100145224
>Or are they going to make the 5090 cost 3k?
I wouldn't be put it past nvidia.

>>100145214
I mean ofc not

>>100144914
I completely forgot that online nowadays costs money. Crap. That sounds like more hassle than it's worth, then.

>>100145088
>>100145133
New for a budget build for someone who doesn't play AAA, just Sims and indie games. Is AM5 really worth the price increase for that?

>>100145251
>Is AM5 really worth the price increase for that?
Not in terms of performance, but yes in terms of future upgradeability

>>100145071
Yes, they're shit, you might as well pony up the difference for the B650M-HDV/M.2, you know, the recommended board in the OP?

>>100145224
>4090
$1650 new
>4080 Super
$1050 new
$600 is a lot but the that's how much going from an AM4 to AM5 system is going to cost you, and the difference between a 4090 and a 4080 is bigger than AM4 5800x3D -> AM5 7800x3D. There's no chance the 5080 will be cheaper than the current 4080 will being as powerful as the 4090. Which is why the correct decision is either 4090 now with the saved money from not upgrading to AM5 or a 5090 and have the best CPU + GPU money can buy. Spending $500-600 on a relatively small CPU upgrade isn't worth it when you're passing up the far bigger GPU upgrade.

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>>100145274
Ah i was searching for the wrong one
>>100145208
I guessss.... 5090 is not due to what december maybe right? include some scalping then prices might've settled by the end of january 25
Could go for a 5090 then true

Btw This is what i would like to go for
Thoughts?

>>100145318
My thoughts is that it'll be a solid futureproof upgrade but it's pointless unless you buy a 4090 or 5090. If you won't do that then just put the rest of the money towards a better GPU.

>>100144983
Wrong.
B650M-H/M.2+ - low end board, better than competition in price range
B650M-HDV/M.2 - world record overclocking board

>>100145251
depends are you the type who upgrades his PC or the type who builds it once and ignores it for 8 years?

>>100143183
>6000CL30 is just the sweet spot for Zen 4
zen 4 cant use ddr5 anon.....

what's this i'm reading about long boot times with DDR 5 ?

>>100145392
Ryzen 1000 - zen 1
Ryzen 3000 - zen 2
Ryzen 5000 - zen 3
Ryzen 7000 - zen 4

>>100145356
Outside of a single GPU upgrade, I've always done entirely new builds about every 8 years. Although this build is for someone else who just wants a nice PC for Sims 4.

>>100145318
Ask yourself why do you even need an upgrade. The 5800x is a great cpu even for today's standards. Yes, it's not an x3d model but depending on which games a and at what resolution you play, the difference is not even that big.
Yes going to AM5 is a good upgrade but why do you want to do that? Are there any games whose performance you are not happy with? Unless you are a richfag, I see no point in your upgrade idea. If you were a richfag though you would've already bought a new PC with a 4090 anyway.
Don't consume just for the sake of consuming

>>100145463
nta but going from a non 3d cache cpu to one with 3d cache is a pretty big upgrade in most modern games nowadays since the're so heavily cpu bound

>new pc next week
I'm excited bros. Is there a PC building guide for retards? I'd be sad if I fucked something up

>>100145512
take your time i.e. a whole day

>>100145476
>36% upgrade at 1440p for 600 shekels
I guess if that's good enough for you
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/20.html

>>100145576
>for 600 shekels
absolute retard

>>100145512
Plenty of good YouTube videos on the subject, minus the one from the verge.
Just be careful with the CPU, Don't put the thermal paste on the CPU pins and for god’s sake remove the sticker from the CPU fan.
I'd just have a video and rewatch sections over and over again until you were confident if it's your first time.

>>100145584
I'm going with what
>>100145309
>$600 is a lot but the that's how much going from an AM4 to AM5 system is going to cost you
said

>>100145630
no

>>100145640
I accept your concession

what cpu should i be aiming to pair with the 7900 GRE?

What are some hidden stuff you should know about PCs after you're done assembling them or while using them?

Like nobody tells you all PC games stutter everytime you update your drivers.

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how does /pcbg/ cope that the 7900XT clears the 4070Ti Super?

Do you Need one of the 3.0 PSUs for a DDR 5 board ?

What's a good GPU that won't get bottlenecked too much by a 5900x

>>100145679
6900XT/7900 GRE
>>100145677
depends which board you buy, but 3.0 motherboards are still rare

>>100145656
5800X3D if AM4
Otherwise 7600/7800x3d on AM5 depending on your budget

>>100145676
The 7900 XT has dropped below $700 and is now technically closer in price to a 4070 Super.

>>100145676
I am fine with my 2080s.

>>100145659
The fuck is a GRE
I guess I will investigate

will the 5000 series use PCIE 5.0?

Speaking of which, was it a huge fuck up to save 50 bucks on buying a 5900x instead of a 5800x3d?

>>100145711
>replied to the wrong post award
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-gre-pulse/

>>100145711
Golden Rabbi Edition

>>100145659
Enable xmp/expo

>>100145711
It's a 7800 XT that costs and performs 10% higher.

>>100145731
Yeah I just noticed, I was going to post something else for that one but I have alzheimers

>>100145742
every youtube tech video tells you that
I mean the real hidden stuff
another thing nobody tells you about is how vrr doesnt stop flicker on its own you need to set a fps cap below your hz

>>100145659
DXVK is basically required on Windows for older games on new Nvidia GPUs.

>>100145757
vrr works fine though if your game can't handle anything at or above your hz equivalent for fps

did you know gigabyte is shit? not enough people know this trick it seems, but one of the best things to do when planning to buy a gaming PC is to avoid this brand

>>100145659
I used to have random system micro stutters once or few times a day, and I would lose my mind. After almost giving up, I found out it was TPM fucking up my PC

>>100145659
Every Windows 11 install defaults to running in a VM making you lose performance

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>>100140754
>Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO
Goo

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>>100145711
Golden Rabbit Edition. Some Chinese exclusive card that was released later. It was the year of the rabbit or something.

>>100145757
You don't need nothing more than a rx 6600 and r5 5600 for 1080p. Everything past that is a huge waste of money.

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>>100145865
>Everything past that is a huge waste of money.

>>100145729
The 5900x has the best single threaded performance on AM4, significantly better than 5800x3D. And obviously it's better at multithreading than the x3D, and it's easier to cool.
On the other hand, the x3D is only better at cache sensitive games, which aren't all games, though it might seem that way when you see average aggregate scores.
So depending on what you're using it for, it might be the better choice.

>>100145865
Not if you want to play at high refresh rate. Splurging more on the CPU in particular will help, 5700X3D isn't that expensive and 1080p is more CPU dependant.

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>>100145960
>On the other hand, the x3D is only better at cache sensitive games, which aren't all games, though it might seem that way when you see average aggregate scores.

>>100145960
dual ccd a shit

>>100145729
>>100145960
UE5 games will perform much better on the X3D chip.

>>100145775
Wouldn't this apply to AMD GPUs as well?

>>100145729
It depends on what you need/care the most from your PC, if you want productivity then the extra coars from 5900X will be quite helpful, but if you want to play videogayms then the 3D cache is quite nice.

I'm building an office pc for my uncle and according to partpicker it consumes 240W.
Is there any point in buying the "Gold rated 500-600W PSU" the OP recommends? I don't think he needs that much power.

>>100145711
best value card rn

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>>100146002
applies to all 3 brands now.

>>100146036
There is no point but you still want head room for spikes so aim for 400W or 350W.

>>100146074
I've always wondered, is this something more about changes in GPU architecture and/or drivers, or is it a newer Windows versions thing?

>>100146036
Buy any 80+ or 80+ Bronze PSU made by a reputable brand.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dM7v6h/silverstone-essential-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-sst-et550-b
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/f2fxFT/corsair-cx-2023-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-cp-9020277-na

>MOTHERBOARD
>ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2

Any ATX boards that are recommended for AM5?

>>100146118
All 3. New GPU archs need new drivers from the ground up. New drivers aren't optimizing for shit that's 15-20+ years old now. WDDM keeps evolving on Windows which means brands have no incentive to go back.

>>100146036
those cheap $60 psus have shitty chinese capacitors that die in 2 years
>>100146137
google am5 spreadsheet

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>Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO
did i do good?

Is PCPartPicker accurate with its estimated wattage? So the optimal power supply would be (estimated wattage / 0.75)?

>find good monitor after tons of research
>it happens to be made in extremely low volumes so you can't buy it anywhere

wow fucking gg idiots. all i want is to give you my money and you can't even do that right. fucking AOC.

>>100146321
whenever monitor unboxed or ltt recommends a monitor they will sell out immediately

thoughts on getting a couple of these to replace 2x1080p monitors

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/koorui-27inch-1440p-170hz-gaming-monitor-4326294

>>100146321
Oh I see you've discovered the hellscape that is the monitor market, enjoy.

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>>100146302
If those are CL30 yeah
>Captcha:0HGAY

>>100146498
yes cl30

New:
>>100146495
>>100146495
>>100146495
>>100146495
>>100146495

>>100146137
ASRock LiveMixer

>>100146504
>AMDrone OP

>>100142614
What are you saying retard? The OP has AMD GPU's

I'll ask here too, maybe I have luck.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/KdYxqR

German here, is this build good or is this a complete fuck-up.
I am planning on using it with a 1920x1080 monitor and mainly use it for FFXIV Dawntrail and maybe other games if they run on it.

>>100147510
Yes, it's a fine build, not really any fuckups

>>100141228
>Gigabyte