It's true, isn't it? Millennials are the first and LAST tech-literate generation.If it's this bad with students in 2019 (i.e. born in ~2000), just imagine what would happen once the kids who were born after 2007 reach adulthood.
>>100156739>millennials>tech-literatehahahahahhahahahahaOh wait, you're seriousHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAMillennials are nu-boomers.
>>100156739TL;DR?
>>100156757lol. Funny you say that, because just a few paragraphs above in the same article it said:>I recently asked students the last time they read any printed materials for more than a few seconds at a stretch. At first, they didn’t appear to understand the question. “I mean, when did you read something longer than a paragraph or two that was physically in front of you, on paper, not on a screen.” Most couldn’t remember. Some said high school.>...>Studies have long shown that screen reading is horrible for comprehension. The modern internet is designed to be distracting. Instead of ingesting large portions of text for extended periods of time, the vagaries of digital text cause us to click away after every few sentences.
>>100156767>TL;DR>Two paragraphsShan't read, shorten it up
>>100156783It says that sub-literate retards like you are becoming more and more common.
>>100156739MIllenials weren't tech-literate. Tech-literate millenials were tech-literate, simple as. Predominant majority of millenials weren't tech-literate, just as majority of zoomers or any other generation. Millenial playing on his nes/snes was about as much tech-literate as zoomer watching tictocs on his phone. There are simply MORE people in it thanks to its popularity. It's like, with numbers out of my ass, just for an example:Millenials: 5M kids after the school, 100k of them are tech-literate, they fill 200k available spaces that are IT related, with rest being tech-illiterate, so people think that 50% of millenials are tech-literateZoomer: 5M kids after the school, 100k of them are tech-literate, same as with millenials, but 500k different spaces are available to them now, so 100k tech-literate zoomers are spreading thin over the available spaces wth the rest filled by random kids who were being sent there by their parents since coding pays well. Now, from the outsider's pov it looks like it's only 20% of zoomers are tech-literate, despite the actual numbers being the same.
>>100156847Nah, the average millenial used something like napster or limewire at some point. They understand what files are.
A lot of it is overblown but it's a risk for companies to hire zoomers. They will chimp out about Palestine and take weeks off at a time, don't do any work without massive hand-holding, etc. That's why there are no zoomers in tech
>>100156876wewlad, understanding what file is what define being tech-literate now
>>100156884If you know how to navigate a desktop computer running Windows and can use it for basic productivity tasks, you are tech literate. Zoomers can't even do that.
>>100156812We millenials are slowly dying off thou
>>100156884So you didn't even read OP pic rel?
>>100156911Dying off boredom perhaps
>>100156939as established in the thread, zoom-zoomies aren’t great at reading stuff
>>100156847This is insane cope. I'm reminded of this tweet about pre-social media internet users increasingly being like Tolkien's elves who're the last to have seen the untainted light of Valinor. Reading shit like your post makes me realize just just how true that is.Idiotic toddlers like you will never understand, but once upon a time accessing the internet was a distinct activity that required a certain minimum of familiarity and skill. Like driving a car or using a washing machine. It required you to sit down in a certain place in the house (because "the computer" was a singular physical thing) and operate an unintuitive machine.Were there a lot of millennials unable to do that? Of course. They were probably the majority, too. But a huge chunk of people born before ~1995 had to actually learn to operate the computer if they wanted to ever access the shit available online. Even if they're normies just trying to pirate some music, there was no Spotify and there was no YouTube - you HAD to learn to double click on shit, install programs and engage with filesystem hierarchies.Today, none of that is necessary. Phones and apps are designed to be idiot-proof to the point where a literal monkey can learn to operate them. There are still plenty of young people nowadays who know how to create a folder (it's not hard, after all), but a large chunk of people who would've learned to do it by necessity a generation ago can now skip the onboarding and jump straight to just tapping whatever they want into their phones. Google understands natural language now, didn't you know?So, to make your shitty example actually representative of how things are skewed in reality, it would be something like:>Millenials: 5M kids after the school, 2M of them are tech-literate. 1M by choice, another 1M out of necessity.>Zoomer: 5M kids after the school, 1M of them are tech-literate. All weirdos and internet addicts.
>>100156943Yea
>>100156995>>100156847And by the way, let me be perfectly clear: Being "tech-literate" (i.e. able to center a title in Word without mashing the space key) is not an achievement. It's not and shouldn't be a point of pride, or something to feel smugly superior about.The kids the teacher in >>100156739 is describing are not (necessarily) dumb. This is just the natural result of how tech evolved in the last decade and a half. In most comparable circumstances, this wouldn't be a problem. The vast majority of us don't know how to use a slide rule, but that's not really a problem because calculators are ubiquitous and far more accurate than sliding a couple of pieces of wood against each other. It also doesn't make operating a slide rule a "secret knowledge", or mean that people who don't know how to use it are stupid. Most non-retarded people would quickly understand how to do it if someone were to take 15 minutes to explain it to them. A few hours/days of practice, and it'll become second nature.The difference is that, while slide rules have been completely superseded by objectively better alternatives, the stuff that replaced operating desktop computers (e.g. phones, tablets, apps) is objectively less functional and robust than the old stuff. It's a society-wide regression. To know how to use a computer is still a vital skill, despite tech companies doing their best to turn even office suites into "apps". It's a fact of reality that desktop software has more functionality and is quicker to use than the app-based mobile alternatives. The fact that kids these days grew up without knowing how to use it is a societal and educational failure.
phones can do everything now. utterly pointless to learn how to use windows in this day and age
>>100157202>This is just the natural result of how tech evolved in the last decade and a half.Its more like a natural result of how education has failed to evolve in the last decade and a half.
>>100156739No you just grew up into the file-and-folder skeumorphic interface thay boomers created for themselves. You coexisted with real world analogy of files and folders until they were completely phased out for digital - you have been around to witness thr full journey, and it is intuitive to you.Zoomers ~2000 onward have no such stepping stone from ehich to hop onto thr digital abstraction. The modern interfaces they're exposed are wholly detached from the ways computers work under the hood. There is no analogy. Desktop OSs are not designed for zoomers, no attempt has been made to bridge their real world into the digital one like boomers did.And you claim them illiterate? No, zoomers have been brought up with interfaces and tools that leave them completely unprepared for "real" computer interfaces through no fault of their own.This is a design issue through and through
>>100157483Try finding a job where you just do everything with your phone all day. Yeah you can take selfies and browse Tiktok with it but nobody does any kind of productive work with a phone.>inb4 that's not true I donate money to my favorite pornstar every day and she's rich now!Great, go google how to rope yourself.
>>100157575Plenty of manager jobs where everything is done precisely on your phone. You only need to call, text, and digitally sign which you can all do on a iPhone.
>>100157606Unless your daddy is the CEO you won't be in a manager position in a long time after entering the workforce. Also if you only need to call, text and sign then you aren't even doing productive work, someone else is doing it for you. It's not exactly in conflict of what I said.
it's worse than you realise
>>100156739No, I'm 25 and none of my gen z peers are tech illiterate, I just don't see it
>>100157747I think it's mostly black and brown kids, and whites and east asians are fine. The articles just don't mention that part because they think it'd be racist.
>>100157747It's the socio-economic factor. You and your classmate might be a statistical anomaly.Do you spend all of your time on your phone?There's an ongoing theory being a phone-addict might be the root of the problem.
>>100157202Not to mention using a calculator instead of a slide rule doesn't make a difference in your social life, and there's no, or at least few, network effects, and calculators aren't (usually) remotely controlled by some hostile corporate entity.
>>100156739Zoomers are tech-literate, but for different tech. They might not know how to use a computer, but they do an insane amount of stuff with a phone, whilst to me the phone is unusable for anything other than watching YouTube.
>>100157684to be fair scanners can be difficult to use>ok first you have to login with your either your printer ID, or your username/password, or your company card with the card reader>then on the tiny touchscreen select "scan to me">no, not "scan", that's a different functionality>no, not "scan paper", that's for uploading invoices to the financial system...>OK, now select "via email">ohh your email is not set up yet, just open a ticket to IT, for now just enter your email address manually>OK, now select "as PDF", and then enter the PPI>what's PPI? I don't know either, but if it's over 400 it won't work and if it's under 200 it will look pixelated>OK, now put the papers here on the top and press the Start button>*vrrrr* *BZZZZZP*>OK, now go back to your computer and check your email, the scanned document will arrive in 1-15 minutes (hopefully) >*email arrives*>*document is full of empty pages, because you scanned the papers upside down*
>>100158122>i can't follow basic promptszoomerbrained
>>100156767you can even see that phenomenon happening in this very site with>tl;drresponses to wall of text posts.
>>100156739Zoomers cannot even land jobs in tech right now. It's overrun with millennials and boomers that are sick of leadership and/or victims of layoffs and every job has over 100 applicants so you don't even get an interview.I tried to apply at the DMV because I got sick of my shitty company fucking up our health insurance and I figured if I became a DMV person I could be a lazy fuck, get paid decent and have great benefits.But nope I did not even get an interview because I'm not a nigger/veteran/woman so I don't check the DEI boxes.
'85 boomer here. I consider myself relatively tech illiterate but we had a computer from about 93 onwards. My uncle taught me how to use dos and all that jazz, I know how it works but crucially I know how to search for shit on the internet. I teach at a university and the 101 class I have to teach for all freshman is how to actually search for something properly. You'd think it would be easy right? My theory is that if you had to actually struggle for something, in my case porn as a horny 12 year old, then it made you damn good at it. Kids these days all the have to do is type tits and bam.
>>100157559>And you claim them illiterate? No, zoomers have been brought up with interfaces and tools that leave them completely illiterate through no fault of their own.You might be literally illiterate.
>>100156884millennials want credit for knowing what a directory is and being able to attach a file to an email. they probably sat through a "computers" class in high school and now they collect a paycheck for doing exactly that. oh but if you're a zoomer you'd better have a portfolio of multiple from-scratch web apps or else we're going to give your job to an indian whose only qualification is speaking english. it's so fucking laughable how sheltered millennials were and continue to be.
>>100157747Fellow 25yo here as well, and I work in IT. The more I think about it, the more I agree. I have to say the young users are either quite on top of it, or need hand holding because they have never been exposed to standard desktop software. Is that really something to blame them for? The web and web apps have dominated even tech savvy circles for the last 15 years. Google docs is what we kids were learning on when I was in HS English classes with our Chromebook's from 2013-2017. We also had a computer lab with Office but it was for the Java lessons, primarily. And iMac's for the media classes. Everything had its place and the kids using chromebooks obviously didn't have the same skill set as the kids chopping up videos in or yearbooks on the iMacs. Most aren't tech illiterate, most are just web first.
>>100156739>>100156749Zillenials are peak performance.
What's funny, even 80 IQ complete retards know how to operate MS Office bullshit and work with email if they're older than 25 or so. They do it like cavemen trying to bang rocks together, but they still manage to eventually create their own retardedly inefficient workflows. Ugly, slow, disorganized, but get the job done.Then you get some new 19 year old fresh off highschool, and the idiot struggles to even open a powerpoint presentation. It's even worse with women. The guys at least TRY to figure it out and may eventually reach something resembling boomer competency. All the zoomer girls freak out and give up in the first 30 seconds. Then they just sit there and passively wait for someone to come along and notice they're struggling.t. served the military and worked a couple of really shitty min wage tech support jobs
>>100156739Zoomers are apparently afraid of URLs too. https://whitehotharlots.substack.com/p/the-crisis-of-higher-education-is
I've never seen a computer in the oval office. Using one can't be that important if the most important job in the world doesn't require it.
>>100158386Not reading all that but online-only classes for almost two full years would fry anyone's brain. I'm 34 and I feel exhausted after a 2 hour video meeting.
>>100156847>>100156995I'd say the discrepancy is even greater.You can see this in the fact that piracy is dying. The zoomer kids don't torrent stuff. All they do is tap Netflix or whatever streaming service they use. They don't know how to access the internet beyond the main websites and social networks, don't know how to navigate the innards of their systems, all they interact with is the UI of their phones. Back in the day, every single kid at my school was downloading music off napster or kaazaa and the boomer companies had ads screenching about the evils of piracy and couldn't keep up with their kids. That was the baseline, "normie" knowledge. On places like 4chan you had teenagers regularly DDoSing websites for the lulz or flooding websites with scat porn, on the other hand were professional companies that couldn't cope with a bunch of kids.It's surprising to me, I'd have expected zoomers to walk circles around us millennials tech wise, just like we walked circles around our boomer parents. But I don't see any of that. I guess of those iToddler bullshit UIs really fried kids' brains.
>>100156905>>100156884Zoomers are tech literate when it comes to mobile devices, most schools are poor so just buy shitty ipads and stuff, most people nowadays don't see the point of a laptop because you do most things on your phone. The type of things people are using now have changed, less people are saving word documents direct to a harddrive most people know use google docs and save it on the cloud
>>100158747>most people nowadays don't see the point of a laptop because you do most things on your phoneTrue. My 17-year-old cousin said this, then I got her an M2 Macbook Air for her birthday last year and she can't get enough of it.
>>100158683nope, I leech stuff because Im too poor for a seedbox. Ill pay it forward once I have a job.
>>100158773I've used an apple device once, which was like an old ipad or something and i hated it, apple systems are so locked down, when i started using android i rooted it, changed out the starting screen, torrented a whole bunch of music then started hacking in loads of dlc into different games
Is it any wonder 4chan sucks ass because of zoomers? They somehow flooded the site but don't do anything but make passive aggressive comments all day, like a bunch of women. They don't make memes or webms, can't even operate MS paint. The only thing zoomies are good for is making cringe tiktoks. Fucking retards.
>guys the FAGMAN corporations will have a skills recruiting problem cause zoomer and aoomer cannot into a terminal or comprehend a unix documentationgood. Tech ceos have no sovl outside mcaffee and their products should be deprecated by good guy jeets or hacked by cryptochads so much that people openly hate using them. All they do is create cloud crap software and resource wasting data centers then use their wealth for stupid things like that butthurt linkedin CEO and his drumpf derangement problems. Hackers and jeets are the good guys.
>>100158477Anon the president just tells other people to do things and occasionally signs/stamps shit. Of course they don't need a computer in the oval office lol.They're also all old as dirt.
>>100158747>because you do most things on your phoneIs this really the case? I regard my phone still as a toy. It is practical to have maps and a search engine on the go but real computing is done on a real machine. Alone the simplified UI would make things pretty hard. Also, backup of files and settings is made impossible.
>>100158747Phones aren't really as productive as a desktop PC.You can't code on one, can't produce digital art (that looks any good), can't do office tasks, powerpoints, etc.Which is basically what the OP is about, Zoomies are losing these skills.It's like they keep adding layers of bullshit so everthing becomes more abstracted. Behind your phone UI there is a classic folder/file directory structure. Behind your file directory structure there is the code. Gen X and older millennials grew up interacting with the CLI. Then they added a WM on top of it, which millenials grew up with. Younger millennials don't know the CLI at all.Then they added modern phone UIs on top of the classic folder structure, so newer generations aren't even interacting with that.Next generation is gonna do everything by voice commands to their AI assistant, and will be completely useless.
>>100158747>Zoomers are tech literate when it comes to mobile devicesOpening TikTok and Instagram is not tech literacy.Most of them don't even know how to enable hot-spot or check the operating system version number.What they can do is superficial, and I am being generous here.
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>>100159044yes?install termux, i do some basic application and server development on my phowith all the optional modules you can even make windowed applications without messing about with really retarded android app development modcame in really useful when my internet was out for a prolonged period of time and i found out there are limits on how much mobile data you can use when tethering with USB on my plan for some reason but not over local-to-local so i set up a reverse proxy and got unlimited USB tethering >Also, backup of files and settings is made impossible.noeven with storage-access-framework it's not
>>100157559nah, zoomers are dunce as shit. they're a generation raised by women.
>this thread
>>100158209>properlyvalue is subjective. you make a great point, still.
>>100158683this!
>>100158962>make passive aggressive comments all day, like a bunch of womenthis this this this this this!!!!!
>>100156739i taught a zoomer how to read error messages
>>100157684Oh man I do love me some horizontal hostility! Pay no mind to an economic system that literally robs most people, or the gigantic surveillance state that makes political mobilisation impossible, or the media which endlessly distracts you, or the disgusting "food", or the gargantuan and wasteful US military, or the political class being cronyists, or academia being hollowed out to ensure more money can be printed (relates to first point), or the annihilation of the environment, or the pointless consumerism, or the culture of self gratification and ego fuelling narcissistic behaviour, or the endless waste, or the fact you are no more than a lonely, atomised, boring unit that can barely understand what is going on - so instead (You) consume more.Nah don't focus on that. Fight amongst each other! Do it! Do it harder! Ignore how you are literally wading through a sea of shit in a system that is designed to do nothing more than imprison you - psychologically, physically - and spiritually.Fight on! Fight each other! Don't you dare fucking think critically, you cattle chattle!
generation x is solely responsible for all important softwareall millennials know is webslop and trooning outtrue that zoomers are illiterate at large. but those who are not, are pretty brilliant/thread>>100159464i HATE millennials so much it's unreal. they always have that damned reddit radiance without fucking fail. not even once. even the muh "based" ones, like in this threadthey adore writing long winded word salads, being chronically unfunny, impotent sensitive autists
>>100158226>Never teach someone to read>See look! They can't read!That's what he said.And before you mention anything about exploring, most people have no interest in learning something if they don't have to.
>>100156847Stfu gav
There's going to be a The Machine Stops scenario in our lifetime, probably when we're very old (60+) except instead of a machine it'll be the framework of society. Nobody in the workforce will know how to run a grocery store so you won't be able to buy food anymore.
>>100159635trembling zoomer hands typed this post
>>100159635I love filling people like you with burning rage. I hope it leads you to an early grave since you're a dumb faggot anyway.
>>100158386
>>100159811>>100159818NTA but you're a dumb redditor retard like he saidZennials are the future like that one anon said
>>100159852I've been on this website longer than you and I'll be here when you fuck off and move on to something new.
>>100156757took less than a minute to read jfc
>>100159861Cool story gramps. I've been posting here since I was a tween and now I'm in my mid 20s, I'm not ever leaving
>>100159886That's pretty sad. I think I was like 15 or 16 when I first started coming here. Your parents must not have loved you.
>>100158683Using Android and iphone truly showed the differences. Iphones are retards, whereas Android definitely changed a lot from the basic dumb phones where you literally learned how to control your device and how your device actually works. Iphones? No chance.
>>100159874Not for me, I didn't read it
>>100159906Early Androids felt extremely dumb and sluggish after Symbian. Only after getting rid of Dalvik and replacing it with ART they started to approach what was before, but then they were utterly infested with ads, telemetry and spyware. God fucking damn I absolutely hate what the mobile devices have become and done.
>>100156847If you're a millennial chances are you're tech-literate. There was a huge push in the 90s/00s to teach basic computer skills to kids through IT/ICT classes, and I'm guessing school systems aren't implementing them any longer according to OP. If you were born in the 80s or 90s and went to school, you took one of these classes.
>>10016003080s/90s IT sensibilities aren't actually tech literacy then based on the way millennials interact with technology. In fact they're even more damaging than being tech illiterate because it breeds retards who think they know how to fix software problems when they actually don'tKnowing how to open the task manager and install bloatware (ccleaner and antivirus) on Windows isn't tech literacy
>>100159955still, in contrast to an iphone, the learning curve was very intuitive
>>100160030Actually it has gone downhill ever since late 90's. In 80's and early 90's they actually taught programming and fundamental quite technical concepts about computing, then it started turning revolving around Microsoft office applications and eventually just web browser and now whatever the current mobile retardation is.
>>100158683>You can see this in the fact that piracy is dying. The zoomer kids don't torrent stuff.I'm a millennial who stopped pirating things years ago. Twice I had to struggle with lawyers threatening to take me to court, which made me stop using torrents. I just can't be arsed dealing with VPNs or whatever shit I'll need to stay clear of lawyers, so I'm just paying for streaming services like a good goy now. I don't think any of my millennial friends pirate anything anymore.
>>100160079>n fact they're even more damagingholy copesorry you never learned about filetrees zoomie
>>100160125Lot's of 90's/00's stuff simply isn't available in any (legal) streaming services at all.
>>100160079My first computer was a Tandy 1000 when I was 5 years old, already obsolete at that time. I learned to use the command line then. I do all my work in it now. All my friends online are mostly other millennials and they can relate to my computing experiences.
>create a culture where people are allowed to be dumb>get any result but thisPick one.
>>100156739I went to an engineering course in 2019, majority of class had zoomers and zoometes in their 17-19yrs We also had "Introduction to programming" where we learned C, binary, C++ and develop a videogame to show as a last exam. Most zoomers and zoometes did pretty well afaik, the only other 3-4 people who were at my age, 25~32 at the time had trouble handling how a computer works, OS was Windows.The ones who had highest scores and gaming projects in that course were also zoomers
>>100160125oh, I'm also trans btw
>>100160125I'm a millennial, been pirating since I was a teenager before torrents, XDCC, fserves, all of that stuff on IRC. I even started my own scene group. I'm on all the private torrent trackers and even have a friend around the same age as me who is staff on one.
>>100156739well what do you expect? they were never taught how to use a computer, adults just expected it for some reason despite kids having began on cellphonesi'm a millennial, and when we first went to a computer lab, the expectation was that we'd never used a computer before (mid '90s), which would have been true for many of us (i didn't have a computer at home at that point, either)nowadays, while anybody can have a computer at home, and maybe they do, but many young kids don't use them, they do what they want to do on their phones. you don't double click icons on a phone, you don't (have to) manage files on a phone, you don't use a mouse on a phone, why would they know how to use a desktop?
>>100156739Based Harlot enoyer.
>>100156739>another article about "the younger generation" which is actually about functionally retarded international students from India
>>100160214can I get an invite to the Private trackers you're on, please?
>>100160238The younger generation, yes.
>>100156783the future is now
>>100157684i can't imagine writing a paper on a phone, someone please introduce these kids to the "key board"
>>100158477does that room even get used for anything outside of press photos and meetings?
>>100160152these look like AI generated posters that try too hard to emulate the early 2000sI bet none of these movies even exist
>>100160274TL;DR?
>>100156739The only tech literate generation is Gen-X.
>>100157684A few of these seem like jokes someone took seriously
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>>100160388the 3d printed save icon i'm certain nobody has actually said naturallynot because i think everyone knows what a floppy disc is, it's just a bit too specific, like i would expect a natural response to be more like "is that a save icon?" or "where'd you get that save icon?" or something, a real floppy disc doesn't look 3d printed
>>100160452It seems like one of those "wouldn't it be funny if..." situations, with someone claiming that that actually happened to their cousins nephews dogwalker. Same for the iPhone dock thing I'd say.
>>100157684as someone who has worked in IT, i can assure you office printers/scanners don't discriminate
>>100160474yea, the iphone one also seems more like an intentional joke than a serious eventstranger things have happened i suppose
Students are just retards now They don't learn anything outside of classThey don't even know how to use their phones They don't even know how to download apps They are scared of urlsMany are barely literate let alone tech literate due to disastrous reading programs of the last 20 years which are now being rolled back state by stateThey hardly know anythingNo the tech autist zoomers that literally have full blown autism (not self diagnosed tiktok autism) do not count there's like 1 of those max in every schoolNot to mention to mexicification of the entire country. These mexicans are never going to be the tech literates you'd hope the entire country should be. Most will just end up criminals or police officers. Companies used to seek college grads but it's becoming clearer every year that they are not worth investing in and many are completely impossible to train.
>>100156739Not my fucking problem. Tech-literate these days means being able to use torrents or downloading a program (with full GUI) off github. If you can run CLI programs, you are a genius apparently. It makes my life easier, while zoomers are stuck paying $120.99/month for FAGMAN.
>>100158747A literal 3 year old can use a smart phone, that's not an accomplishment. Smart phones are designed for children and 80 year old women.
>>100160152>Lot's of 90's/00's stuff simply isn't available in any (legal) streaming services at all.My wife, who mostly decides what we watch, doesn't care about any of that. She hates "old" TV shows and movies. In my own free time I have better things to do than consume media.
>>100156812qrd?
>>100160518most people of any generation aren't interested in computersthe difference is that computer have gotten easier over time, by this i mean if you needed to use a computer in the 80's, you simply had to learn to use a command line, format discs, manage files, etc to use it for anything useful /at all/in the 90's you had to learn to use a mouse, manage files, deal with various minor issues, etc to use it for anything useful at allsame for the 00's just with less issues since consumer os's got much betterfor the 10's/20's with phones, you barely have to know anything, just touch the buttons as they're presented, no mouse, no keyboard, no files, hardly any issues, they're closer to kiosks than personal computers, a padded room where you can do the bare minimum and don't touch or see anything remotely technicalit should surprise nobody that the more you abstract away, the less people can learn from it
>>100158037>Not to mention using a calculator instead of a slide rule doesn't make a difference in your social life, and there's no, or at least few, network effects, and calculators aren't (usually) remotely controlled by some hostile corporate entity.Consider this. In Forensic Accounting, Benford's Law is a way to know if the numbers you're looking at are probably bullshit.It's considered very effective, regardless of what the numbers are quantifying (money, gallons of oil, cars, employees hired/fired in a given year). By using Benford's Law, you can look at a list of numbers, with absolutely zero knowledge of what the numbers actually represent, and reasonably determine whether or not they are fudged for manipulative reasons.Now, consider that shills were quick to alter the wiki entry on Benford's Law after 2020.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law and ctrl+F "Biden"For the past 5 years, I've been concerned that they would start manufacturing calculators that give you bullshit answers, if for example you were trying to calculate the melting point of steel in the World Trade Center, or how many people were buried in the hallofcost, or Covid death counts, etc. But now I'm realizing most people don't buy calculators, except for school, so would they alter the calculator app on your computer? All Windows needs is an update that removes it and replaces it with an AI. We all have come to some level of trust with AI, but none of us are too surprised when it fucks up. If they can make AI consistently fuck up any politically sensitive numbers. Let's say a the media starts pushing a narrative that exactly 18,456 people died in a given politically sensitive location where the population is 800,500 in a 13 day period. All mathematical equations involving the number 18,456 and 13 and 800,500 would be subject to an alternate answer algorithm, giving more socially acceptable answer. Even more round numbers of 18k and 800k if used suspiciously can be updated
>>100160692Meds now
>>100160633also, this is exacerbated by the fact that over time computers have become more and more needed for every day lifelike in the 80's and 90's you didn't need a computer to live, so people with no interest simply didn't have a computer, growing up my (boomer) parents never used the family computer (except my dad sometimes to play a couple games), they grew up without computers and nothing yet really needed onenow though, there are lots of things you need a computer to do, even if just a smartphone, so over time more and more people with zero interest in computers are using them /because they have to/
>>100160364>he hasn't seen Dark Angel.pretty cringe desu. I watched the whole show with my dad. Unfortunately it got canceled, before it had a finale.It's a futuristic world, that depicted drones before there was any modern or realistic concept of drones.Also there's one joke in one episode where guy talks about breathing through his penis.
>>100160761>Meds nowI want to take a poll. Is this guy most likely to be1) a legitimate basedboy who thinks this is crazy talk.2) a government shill trying to stifle discussion3) a baitposter who doesn't necessarily believe anything, but wants to rustle up some (You)'s
>>100160810It is legitimately retarded. Everyone competent is just using the Python REPL as a calculator and the retarded women who are faking it use spreadsheets. People would notice real fast if either of those got fucked with.
>>100160842>It is legitimately retarded. Everyone competent is just using the Python REPL as a calculator and the retarded women who are faking it use spreadsheets. People would notice real fast if either of those got fucked with.Oh, like we all noticed real fast that the vaccine was killing more people than Covid?
>>100156739there is a narrow segment of tech literate millennials but i think the majority only seem tech literate when placed next to people with literally no prior experience. most people of any demographic are not that curious about technology and see it exclusively as a means to an end. this is intensified by people with NO interest in technology being required to use it to do basic things- it's hard to even blame these people. my grandma doesn't give a shit about it, she just wants to be able to see family photos and hear how everyone is doing. tech is still a niche interest. i also think that younger kids who only have access to walled garden tech like chromebooks or ipads are less likely to be meaningfully interested in technology. a computer felt like being introduced to a whole new world to explore for me as a kid but for them it's a shitty little jail they have no real ownership of that they're forced to submit their homework through.
>>100160842>It is legitimately retarded. Everyone competent is just using the Python REPL as a calculator and the retarded women who are faking it use spreadsheets. People would notice real fast if either of those got fucked with.Or how everyone noticed real quick that the 2020 election was stolen?Only dangerous rightwing conspiratards would notice.This is because the noticers would immediately be defined as dangerous rightwing conspiratards. Anyone even looking into this personally would be seen as a conspiratard, because looking into it would immediately lead to the truth, which is going to get you ostracized.
>>100157684have you fucking seen the driver stack microsoft used to require for printersi'm honestly amazed they every workedthey started out so minimal that by the time you get to today's printer feature level you needed like 11 different drivers and programs interactingi think they simplified it by forcing everything through a virtual print-to-document driver first or something
>>100160887they simplified quickly once it became feasible to simply put a computer in the printer to handle the rendering, that and finally settling on a standard intermediate format/protocol so you can use the same driver for any printer
>>100160210This. there is no correlation between age and computer literacy,but there is one between skin colour and handling computers
>>100160867scientists did noticein fact there was a large demand for the source code to the statistical model responsible for most of the COVID policy decisions almost immediately when there were allegations of non-determinism from another lab which tried to use itthe BBC, Elsevier (a.k.a. big scientific journo publisher), and the university the prof. and his team worked at all ran defense for him for a long time, in part because he was a british micro-celebrity due to his work on the british mad cow disease scandalwhen the source did come out eventually not only was it determined to be the kind of horrid shitcode only mathfags and scientists write which tends to accumulate logic bugs like nothing else, it was not only badly written, non-deterministic, improperly handling seeding (so if it had actually worked it would have been non-deterministic), and a bunch of other problems, but also i heard it apparently made fundamental and critical misrepresentations in the simulation of viral transmission that someone who only took high school biology would have been able to point out something being wrongthe thing is, no one caredi saw a few articles in business and economics news sourcesschizo-kun, i know your people are obsessed with numerology and whatnot but you don't need numbers to convince anyone of anythingnormal people don't even need to see a statistical summary, depending on how it's couched, they'll just accept the interpretation they've been toldpropaganda is much cheaper, much more effective, has much less side affects, and has been 100% legal to use on US citizens since some point in obama's presidency
>>100161071>propaganda is much cheaper, much more effective, has much less side affects, and has been 100% legal to use on US citizens since some point in obama's presidencyWas it not legal prior? I'm uninformed specifically what you would be talking about during the Obama presidency. I've never heard of an anti-propaganda law.I HAVE heard that Fox News won a court case where the verdict was that they don't need to report facts. (I know that sounds like a shitlib talking point, but if it's true, it's still fucked. I never looked into the context, but I assume that verdict would help them lie for Israel, if it was ever an issue in the past) I don't know if this is related to what you're saying happened during Obama.
>>100160364Brain-fried retard actually cannot distinguish reality from AI generation
>>100156739>drafting papers on their phoneswhatdo zoomers actually own computers? I'd really like to know
>>100161071>schizo-kun, i know your people are obsessed with numerology and whatnotAre you calling me jewish?
>>100161128prior to some bill he signed state department propaganda was illegal to use on US citizens or somethingmy memory isn't 100% on this but as an example one of the leaked emails from hilary's email server and her time in the state department i believe mention was made to the distribution of modified copies of kebab religious literature as having helped cause the arab spring
>>100161209*as an example of that kind of propaganda>>100161189no but i suppose they are also obsessed with it and other equally neurotic and ritualistic forms of pattern matching aren't they lmao
>>100161286ah here it ishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2013#Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Modernization_Act_of_2012it was in one of those stupid fucking omnibus bills that literally only exist for legal obfuscation and under any sane legal system would automatically be against the foundational charter
>>100159635>they adore writing long winded word salads, being chronically unfunny, impotent sensitive autistsIt's called being an adult, you should try it
