>>100159673
6950 XT could compete with the 3090 Ti. The next generation AMD cards cannot compete with Nvidia on the high end. And RDNA4 is going to have nothing beyond a 8700 XT.

>>100159699
is the 8900xtx gonna suck of even exist? not gonna bother with rtx 5090
79xtxs are hitting 800ish usd here

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>>100159719
It's the truth, retard.

>>100159729
had a 69xt oc to the moon it blew past the 3090ti but did succ around 250-500w

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>>100159733
>is the 8900xtx gonna suck of even exist? not gonna bother with rtx 5090
There won't be any.
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rumored-to-be-skipping-high-end-radeon-rx-8000-rdna4-gpu-series

>>100159729
Which is why I recommended he get the 79xtx
Helps to read the fucking thread instead of seeing one sentence and chiming in like a midwit

>>100159756
oh great another fucking retarded rx 480 580 5700xt

>>100159758
7900 XTX is an overpriced shit card, it's only good if you can get the $100 coupon from Newegg right now. The 4080 Super is better in every way.

>>100159769
>the inferior card with less vram is superior because ??????

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Day 384 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>100159769
>coupon
You mean rebate, which they never honor?
>overpriced
Says the guy recommending a more expensive card with worse performance and less VRAM

>>100159782
thank fuck my 1060 2060m and 1050ti still work
nvidia havent made a gpu worth a fuck since

enable adaptive sync, artifacts shows up when gaming or watch video on 2nd screen

is this normal? rx 6600

already swap with multiple cable hdmi and dp.

>>100160143
Do you have another GPU laying around?

>>100159782
Why not go pro and wait for the _next_ gen GPUs? Always some more waiting to be done

Confused about the difference between MSI Gaming X Slim and the Ventus x3, the slim version lists a very slight increase in speeds and is lighter but retails for cheaper? What's the deal.

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Can’t find anything on this brand.
https://www.amazon.com/Superer-12VHPWR-Computer-7900XTX-Certified/dp/B0CSP7JMVL

>>100159733
The XTX is actually a decent buy for under $800, if all you do is game. It's raster between a 4080 and a 4090 and RT between a 4070Ti and 4070TiS. It get's a little dicey at 4K because DLSS is better than FSR, but at 1440UW or less it's very good.

>>100159774
Franky, the extra VRAM only helps at 4K or in ML work, both of which run better (or at all) on an Nvidia card. It's nice to have it for future games, but the sweet spot for the 7900XTX is 3440x1440 raster-heavy games, where you're not really going to need more than 12-14GB of VRAM anyway.

>>100160259
"Slim" GPUs have worse heatsinks and fans. Manufacturers try to incentivize it by saying that it's taking up fewer PCIe slots, but they actually perform worse, run hotter and will probably be louder. Asus did this with the TUF line and the original thiccboi cards are way better. Thge "slight increase in speed" is just an advertised minimum boost that means nothing in any actual workload.

>>100159860
Not wrong.

>>100160192
I'll consider that if the next gen GPUs also aren't satisfactory solutions. I'm also prepared to wait if Taiwan literally gets caught up in a war.

>>100158860
>>100158924
>>100159054
Thanks, how about this? https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/7wHXz6
they don't sell mATX ASRock boards with wifi here, or is it better to get a separate adapter? Am I really going to NEED a better CPU? Moreover, how do I check that all of these are compatible for sure?

Also I thought I should get an optical drive but maybe it's better to get a cheap external one because I can't find a good case for it

>>100160348
For this case in particular I think it's just a marketing gimmick
>x3 Ventus: 308x120x50mm, 1107g
>Slim X: 307x125x51, 1094g

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day 288 of waiting for battlemage

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>>100159748
>1440

Waitchuds seething at buynowcels

>>100160259
both bottom of the burrel budget shit

>>100160593
barrel*

>>100160593
>bottom of the barrel
PNY? Gigabyte?

For GPUs, triple fan cards or dual? Any brands to avoid?

do we have a solid idea of when zen 5 will come out? debating if I should hold out for an upgrade until then.

>>100160716
Honestly that depends on what GPU you're getting in the first place
Since I don't care much about fan noise I'm usually a "get whatever is the cheapest" enthusiast
Nowadays even the worst models for a specific card (for the 4070, the Msi Ventus 2X or Gainward Phantom come to mind) perform acceptably, don't throttle and don't sound like absolute jet engines like older cards with milled heatsinks or blower fans could
Usually, Techpowerup's reviews for AIB cards will compare a couple models, so you could look that up for the card you're aiming for

>>100160792
Announcement is supposed to be at computex in early June but the x3d chips will likely come in Q4 or 2025 Q1

>>100160792
June 3rd for presentation. They will 100% be available widely for Xmas and probably upper SKUs well before that.

>>100159748
Man the 2700X aged like shit. It's not on the chart but I'm sure the 8700K beats it handily.

Which card should I pair with a 5600x for someone who mainly plays Sims 4 on a 1080 monitor?

>>100161003
Are you targeting 60hz? Rtx4060 will probably work fine

Anyone got an Nvidia card and dual monitors? How much power is hwinfo64 reporting at idle

>>100159764
honestly, its better that way.
amd has no hope whatsoever to compete with high end nvidia cards. even if they could manage to compete in raw raster perf, at that market segment, things like RT and ML/productivity capabilities matter very much, and amd won't be catching up in those things any time soon.

what amd *can* do is to compete on value in the lower end of the market. if a monolithic 8700xt can offer 7900xtx levels of raster for ~$500, that will seriously help the situation in the market.

you weren't bullshitting with the need to upgrade the wifi module? the mediatek seemed to work fine on one network, except the network would go down and restart when downloading GTA V (fitgirl repack) with internet download manager so i tried the other network and it's slow as balls, crappy signal

>>100161003
I'm pretty sure just about anything could play that game, it was released like 10 years ago and it was always meant to run on laptops.

>>100161003
anything made in the last 8 years will work fine

any recommendations on a mobo for 7800x3d? want something that can overclock and looks good and isn't asus because fuck them.

>>100159699
Is Acer Aspire E15 E5-575G compatible with those SSD M.2 things? Is it worth getting it instead of typical SATA 3 SSD?
I have difficulty getting definite answer and screws got stuck hard, so I can't quickly check.

>>100161160
amd are shithouse gpu wise
fuck nvidia prices tho lack of competition from amd and intel is why we are here

>>100157689
buy used

>>100159699
Are intel gen6 PC's worth getting?

>>100161297
yea, exactly.
the only way for amd to contribute to the situation is to do what they did in the rx480/580 era
basic cards, targeting the budget end of the market, with a great value proposition
let the richfags pay $3k for a 5090, they can afford it. as long as there are reasonable value options at $300-500, we're good. that's where amd can actually help and actually get some customers.

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thinkgen of upgrading my cpu. It is a ryzen 7 3700x. Planning to pick up one of those shiny AM4 3D cache CPUs. I'm pairing it with a 750W power supply and a 6800xt which I currently have. Should I get the 5700X3D or the 5800X3D? Can my PSU handle this setup? I only do emulation and gaming on this system.
>inb4 AMD GPU
i got it for free as a gift

>>100161367
4090s are pretty shit anyways only one i wanted was a 4090d but stupid pricing again gouging im done with nvidiass

>>100159699
Is it ok to keep my glass side panel off?

>>100161285
I think of picking a SATA 3. Apparently it's possible to put it into CD reader spot.
Anyway, any recommendations?

>>100161342
No these CPUs have been patched.
And performance isn't there anymore.

my old beater daily laptop needs usbc pretty badly but its the model that doesnt have it, can i add it via m2?

>>100161423
Why? Living with pets or children is a valid reason but aside from that I don't see why you shouldn't.

>>100161544
my dog never goes near my shit
kids lol they love breaking glass and fuck having a faggot clear case

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>>100160420
Is that board the cheapest you can get? ASRock B550M/AC is what you should be getting
You can go cheaper on the cooler, seriously these 65w chips can be adequately cooled with a decent 4 pipe tower
You could probably save money on the case with the Montech 100 or the DeepCool CH370
apply said saved money to upgrading the GPU to a 6700XT

>>100161411
>5700X3D or the 5800X3D
You won't be able to tell the difference, it's like a 200 Mhz difference, so get whichever is cheapest.
>Can my PSU handle this setup?
Yes.
>>inb4 AMD GPU
>i got it for free as a gift
Nothing wrong with that, the 6800XT in particular is nice.

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>>100161580
>Nothing wrong with that, the 6800XT in particular is nice.
Last time I mentioned my system on here some anons mocked me for having an AMD card despite being the best value for its price.
>>100161551
I have a Corsair 4000D and bought the solid side panel to replace the glass side panel. I don't even use RGB anyway so nothing to show off there.
>You won't be able to tell the difference, it's like a 200 Mhz difference, so get whichever is cheapest.
Alright I'll have to wait for a sale then.

>>100160420
>>100161574
Also, I recommend checking the QVL list for memory on whatever board you go with, this will ensure RAM compatibility l
You can get an Intel AX200 series wifi card and it will work better than whatever chink Realtek/Mediatek card they usually put in those boards
>Do I need a better CPU?
That depends on what games you plan on playing, I personally have a 5700X and game at high frame rates at 1080p with a 3070Ti

Opinions about MSI Motherboard MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI for 179 €?

>>100161671
i had a 68xt and 69xt
the 69xt oc like stink

>>100161580
>200mhz difference
More like 400mhz difference
5700X3D clocks up to 4.1 while the 5800X3D clocks up to 4.5

>>100159748
why does the 7800XD dunk on the 7950X3D and 7900X3D?
why do the latter chips exist?

>>100161773
Scheduling issues between the CCDs
7800X3D is only on CCD and has no scheduling conflicts
The others are two CCD chips and have scheduling issues due to the design
They exist for workstation/gaming

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599usd vs 579usd. Which one is the safest bet? I'm already using a Zotac 3060ti (the white one) and I'm pleased by all to be honest, low temps, low noise, I'm very satisfied with my Zotac card despise the bad reputation. Any suggestions?

>>100161203
now i changed the DNS settings, i'll see if that keeps the internet connection from dropping from the first network

>>100161694
i didn't find any complaints of coil whine so that's good. some reddit comments mentioned long boot times. you could also look at asrock boards with the same 14+2+1 VRMs, most of asrock's recent offerings have been great.

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>>100161743
Is that worth the extra $ though?

>>100161955
It depends, the 5800X3D will perform better over all due to the higher clock rate on games that don't take advantage of the 3D cache, and the ones that do but by only about 7-10% overall
The question to you is is it worth the difference in price based on the games you play?

>>100159699
Bros I have been waiting for over a year for a new Radeon series of cards and now the new series won't have more performance than the current series. I guess Wait™® © is real

>RDNA 4
>18 Gbps GDDR6
what a disappointment, I guess there is still RTX 5000 to wait for

>>100159748
>power limits removed
>0.4 increase
The cpus already have no power limits

>>100162092
Wait for Battlemage, they're upscaling tech and frame gen tech are shaping up to be viable alternatives to Nvidia

When are we getting more info about the 5xxx series? I'm in the verge of upgrading my 3060ti for a 4070 super, just to be chill with 1440p gaming, but I'll be very disappointed if I buy a 4070 super and then nvidia drops better prices for better cards in the 5000 series...

>>100162267
>upscaling
>framegen
why not simply drop down in resolution a bit?
If your PC can handle 1440p just drop down to 1200p

>>100162453
Upscaling will look better.

>>100161517
Can't you just use an adapter?

>>100162482
how so?

>>100162542
The way these new and fancy upscaling techniques handle the upscale usually do a lot to take care of jaggies and overall provide a very smooth image, they're not just lowering the resolution, and if you will be regularly playing AAA games then you'll probably want to take advantage of XeSS or DLSS, AAA titles are too demanding these days to run without upscaling, developers have become so lazy.

>>100160420
>they don't sell mATX ASRock boards with wifi here, or is it better to get a separate adapter?
I'd recommend getting an own adapter. They're usually not that expensive, you can use it with a new build later or upgrade, and they're usually better than the integrated one. You also usually pay a hefty premium for wifi on motherboards, it's way more expensive for integrated wifi than an own adapter.

>Also I thought I should get an optical drive but maybe it's better to get a cheap external one because I can't find a good case for it
Most likely you're never going to use it, unless you have some need for it already. Most likely you'll just use usb pens and drives. I use an external, but I think I've used it like two or three times in five years or something.

>>100162610
i think id still rather drop down resolution.
I dont mean render res, just drop down the entire PCs res a bit.
That should remove the jaggieness of rendering and output res not matching

are OLEDs worth it yet? how many years of usage before the burn-in shows?

>>100160263
If you cant find info on a brand I wouldn't use it

>>100159699
Fortyninety lmao

>>100162707
6 months

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWrFEU_605g

>>100161671
>Last time I mentioned my system on here some anons mocked me for having an AMD card despite being the best value for its price.
They're most likely shills anons.
Similar to how the pc subreddit is full of AMD shills.
In every case, just use your own opinion and experience. That'll help a lot.
Having said that, there are some pretty decent reasons to buy nvidia over amd, resale value and AI.

>>100162707
depends how you use oled.
use low brightness and hide taskbar and it should be good

>>100162092
>I guess Wait™® © is real
My recommendation would always be to buy when there's a huge drop in prices. Then at least you got it for cheap. Playing the waiting game is silly, because you'll always get something better.

>>100162267
Nah, I'll give Intel a chance on their 10th gen

>>100159699
Looking for a new cpu/mobo/ram/psu under $400 USD coming from a i5-4690k and gtx 970, I think I'm just gonna keep the gpu for now cause it looks like I can't run 2020+ games just because of outdated cpu. So purpose is for gaming, web browsing etc, looking for something that will last me a couple of years

>>100163058
and I completely forgot I want to do a build with this case https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JtWfrH/thermaltake-versa-h17-microatx-mini-tower-case-ca-1j1-00s1nn-00

>>100163058
I like the combo of Ryzen 5600G, a cheap B450 motherboard, and 16 gb of DDR4 ram. Though since you've already got a graphics card, other options might be better. Though if you decide to upgrade later, you can keep it as a cheap second computer for web browsing or something.

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>>100163108
>I like the combo of Ryzen 5600G, a cheap B450 motherboard, and 16 gb of DDR4 ram
will look into, thanks anon.
>Though if you decide to upgrade later, you can keep it as a cheap second computer for web browsing or something.
and yeah that's my plan for now, just doing a light upgrade and probably buy a whole new build a few years from now.

>>100163227
don't get 5600g, get 5600 or 5600x
AM5 is a better buy at this point.

will the i5 equivalent of arrow lake be better than a 14700k (or at least comparable)?

>>100163258
>don't get 5600g, get 5600 or 5600x
alright
>AM5 is a better buy at this point.
I think an AM5 build would be over my budget and I'm not interested in the newest hardware as I'm going for just a light upgrade from a 10 year old build

>>100163321
probably not.
i7 12700k is still preferable to 14th gen i5 imo
one gen doesnt jump that high

>>100163258
I don't really get why people buy 5600 over 5600g, they're mostly the same performance cpu wise, but the gpu in 5600g is good enough to play relatively new games and works as a budget gpu really.
AM5 motherboards are still too expensive in my honestly opinion. Ram prices might be somewhat the same for DDR4 and DDR5, but you still pay a pretty hefty premium for AM5.

>>100163423
the difference between 5600g and 5600 is like sandy bridge to skylake.

>>100161814
Get the dual. Zotac is trash plastic hotbox

>>100163381
You pay a pretty hefty premium for AM5 still, I'd probably just go for AM4 and just upgrade later on. A Ryzen 5600 or 5500, a cheap B450 motherboard, and 16 gb of 3600 mhz ram would cost almost no money at all and be more than enough for a couple of years.

Bros, is the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE enough for a 7800x3d?

>>100163534
Wow thanks man, I just made a build and the parts total to $400 usd. Exactly what I want.

>>100163321
Probably not in multicore. Maybe in gaming.

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>>100163615
easily.
look at the size compared to a 4070 super and a full size mobo.
could probably even cool i9s

>>100163615
Fine and dandy

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/qualcomm-faces-benchmark-cheating-allegations-snapdragon-x-eliteplus-benchmarks-claimed-to-be-fraudulent

IT'S JOEVER

>>100159860
you're not properly looking at the prices, there has been 50% inflation since those came out
just upgrade, you'll get triple the fps

>>100163795
This, it's time to stop kvetching.

I'm trying to get a super budget PC for gaming, No 4k shit, Just something to run modern games at a reasonable FPS and graphic settings.
>i5-12400F + RTX 3050 8GB + 16GB RAM
>AMD RYZEN 5 5500 + RTX 3050 8GB + 16GB RAM
The first one is around 21% more expensive than the latter, Which one to go for?

>>100163891
>RTX 3050
you'd be better served spending some time looking at used cards than buying that shit

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>>100163891
>RTX 3050
No, just no, at under $200 you either get an RX 6600 or you go used, about the CPU, I'd go with the i5.

>>100163891
>3050
prebuilt? there's no reason to pick up this turd over the rx 6600 or the a580

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>>100163891
i5 looks ok, but save up for atleast 4070 super (or simillar card used)
games are not gonna become easier to run

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>>100163891
12400f is definitely a better cpu than 5500 but it's not like a 3050 will bottleneck you.
5500 kinda sucks btw, 5600 is generally considered more economical and sensical.

>>100163925
>>100163931
>>100163942
I'm buying a prebuilt one, I will try to find one with a different GPU. I found other devices with the same CPUs but they have GTX 1650 is it better performance/money?

>>100163989
depends on the price but probably no

>>100163989
The GTX 1650 is very weak, I can't see that being worth it, you should seriously consider building the PC on your own, it will be more economical.

Going for a slight upgrade from my 3600x to tide me over until the new CPUs drop. Is there enough of a difference between the 5600 and 5600x to justify the whopping ten dollar price difference, or do I just get the 5600?

>>100164030
The problem is 99.999% of the local stores seem to have the exact same parts and shipping might be too expensive since I'm a third worlder.

>>100164057
it is time to turn to crime

>>100164053
why even bother with such a small upgrade

Is it bad to stick an mATX mobo inside a mid case?

>>100163942
>>100163931
Price of 3050 has dumped by a third, so now I think I'd rather buy them than a 6600 honestly. Still I think the jump to a 4060 is definitely worth it.

>>100163989
Prebuilts are usually about twice as expensive as building your own, so it's not really recommended. Having said that, if you're able to buy outlet/refurbished you can get them at a pretty nice price. I've bought a HP Victus 15 with a ryzen 5600g and a radeon 1660 super for the price I'd just pay for a new 1660 super. Then you more or less get the rest of the computer for free. Then if you want to upgrade later, you can just make a new build and take the graphics card with you, and keep the old old as a secondary pc or give it away (5600g has pretty nice graphics for an APU).

I wouldn't recommend the 1650, but the 1660 super is almost the same performance as a 3050 for gaming.

Another option for a cheap gaming pc is buying a 5600g, a cheap b450 motherboard, and 16 gb of ram. Then for the other parts, just buy as cheap as you can, spend only a little more money on a psu than the cheapest. A case and a 1 gb m.2 SSD cost almost nothing.

>>100164156
Doesn't matter, you could stick an ITX card inside too.
Since mid cases and mATXs are the products that are produced the most, they usually got the best prices per performance. So you see a lot of mid cases with mATX motherboards, it's just the cheapest way to do it. And it also looks perfectly fine if you care about stuff like that.

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Which CPU and motherboard guys?

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I almost tricked myself into getting this single-fan case because I didn't run it through here first.

Are there any problems with the Montech Air 903 Max?

>>100164182
Judging by youtube videos 5600g seems to struggle to run many of the games the original PCs I mentioned could run easily and with better graphics, Am I missing something?

>>100164182
>unironically shilling the 3050
that's a new low for you, they're not any cheaper than a 6600 or a580 but they're still worse

>>100164228
5600g if you don't have a gpu and want integrated graphics to be able to play games, 5600 if not.
The biggest difference from B450 to B550 is pcie4. For a budget build where the price difference is usually the double, I think that it's hard justifying the price. You can get B450 cards really cheap.

>>100164346
I'd rather buy nvidia over amd or intel, better resale value. Especially now that the price been dumped on them finally. But still I think that it's better buying the 4060, it's not that much of a price jump but the performance increase is pretty significant.

>>100164409
>better resale value
People who bought a 3080 already got burned

>>100164409
there's no resell value in that price range
there's no price dump on nvidia's side
>you get a better card if you spend more
no shit poirot

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4070 super is best value for money
also resell value is a retarded way thing to worry about

>>100164469
7900GRE is way better

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If your PC is AMD Advantage certified it's guaranteed to be better than consoles.

>>100164478
Is it? Is it really?

>>100164588
All benchmarks are the card performing at its nerfed state. You need latest drivers and go into AMD control panel to unlock its memory limiter.

>>100164445
>>100164469
I think that 4060 is better value than 4070.
There are two things that are important for a graphics card, first being able to play games in the first place, and second how much performance you get for the money. Yes, you get more performance for money with the 4070 than the 4060, but you'll be able to play the games you want with a 4060 decently. Paying double the price of that for something that won't in reality gain you something isn't really good value.
Of course you can say the same for a 3050. If you count that as the bare minimum for playing, then a 4060 that's $100 more expensive is cheap, but a 4070 that's $400 more expensive is not cheap.
Which is why I think that using performance for price as a value argument is just silly really, and why 4060 is a better value card than 4070.

Resell value matters for some, but it's stupid not taking into into consideration. AMD cards are basically worthless the moment you take them out of the store.

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>>100164478
7900GRE has more transistors.
but 4070 super is super...

>>100164612
4070 was technically supposed to be a 4060

>>100164611
I think they're both a waste of money because they wll become obsolete too soon so you might as well spend less if you have to, in that case the 3050 offers worse performance at the same price of intel's and amd's offerings

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>>100164611
4060 does not have the level of performance you need anymore.
I went with 4070 super because its decent value and im gonna be starting a job soon which means I wont have much time playing games anymore so i need to make the best of my time right now

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>>100164612
clearly you need to get the one that says its Super™
if the amd card was actually better, they'd say so in the name, they'd call it Hyper or Ultra or something. GRE stands for Good Roughly Ehhh....

>>100164761
4060 has more than enough performance for my use. I use 1080p because 1440p is a meme resolution and 4k is too expensive. It's not worth over twice the price to get a 4070 in my opinion. You're not going to have a better time with a 4070 than a 4060, you're just going to waste money you could've spent better on something else.

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>>100164794
>clearly you need to get the one that says its Super™
that is part of what made me choose it.
I like it when electronics are called super.
they used to do that more back in the day

>>100164684
They don't become obsolete really, you just have to reduce your settings a little.
And like 80 percent of games people play are 6 years old or older. I don't really have any new games I care about other than baldur's gate 3, and you can run that on a 5600g really.

>>100164812
>I like it when electronics are called super.
that's why super nintendo was the best console ever

>>100164829
>you just have to reduce your settings a little.
that's how they become obsolete

>>100164846
sorry for not being easily shilled and having a brain I guess
I won't buy your uneccessary expensive goyslop, sorry
better go shill the next fool

do you use riva tuner or nvidia on screen display

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>>100164805
I think 1200p is a great res
I use my 4070 super at 1200p and slam all the settings to max which feels good.
Max raytracing too.
Im sure at some point in newer games I wont be able to do that anymore, but for now its perfect

what's the best budget SDR 1440p gaming monitor?
hard mode: no dithering

What do you lads think about bias lighting? Is it a meme?

>>100164870
I'm not shilling anything, on the opposite I think people should keep waitfagging unless their hardware fails

>>100164871
Riva tuner for me.

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>>100164908
probably one of these Samsung Dynflats they made untill 2008
You should be able to get one very cheap and they do 1920X1440

>>100164944
AYYYYYY WE GOT A COMEEEEDIAN OVA HERE

>>100164931
do you know how can i fix this?

Required DirectX runtimes are not installed! On-Screen Display may not function properly!

>>100164957
it may be a joke, but its the truth aswell.
you wont do better for under 500$

>>100164908
>no dithering
no 6bit+frc you mean? Because dithering is used in one way or another by any flat panel

What's next after the 7800x3D? And when are the 5070-5080 cards coming out?

>>100164982
Well, it seems that you need to install DirectX stuff, though usually games take care of that when you install them.

Changed cpu cooler and broke my motherboard. I guess static electricity isnt a myth.

>>100164982
Download direct x from windows and install it

>>100165024
approximate timeline
zen 5 september
5080 november
5070 january
zen 5x3d february

A 5090 JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

>>100165021
yeah that's the one, thanks anon
i've started noticing its effects on my old ass VG248QE and i can't unsee it

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display wise you cant really do better

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>>100165032
>>100165077
is it this one?

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>>100165097
stop buying monitors made after 2000

Rate my build please, looking for critique:

CPU: Intel core i9 13900k 3ghz 24-core
AIO: Corsair icue h170i elite lcd xt 420mm
MOBO: asus rog strix z790-e lga 1700 atx motherboard ddr5
RAM: corsair vengeance 7000mhz 32gb ddr5
PSU: asus rog thor p2 1200w plat
GPU: gigabyte eagle oc geforce rtx 4080 16gb
storage: x2 western digital sn850x 4tb pcie 4.0
CASE: fractal torrent rgb atx

I already own the case, psu, aio, ram

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>>100165402
AIO is trash.
Get 4080 super instead.

>>100165121
It should be.

>>100165402
If it's for gaming you're well into the price range where a 4090 is de rigeur. As a hybrid workstation it's decent.

>>100165434
Thank you, what about the other components? What do you rate of them? Would I be ready for VR high quality experience?

>>100165555
good
just swap the AIO for a good aircooler to limit trouble you might have in the future and get the super because its better value, apart from that very nice

>>100165553
Gaming will be the priority. VR is the endgame goal. I ultimately want to play games on their max settings, RTX is not an interest but I would like to try it out. But I want maz/ultra for the ps5 games on steam, helldivers, stalker 2 when it come sout.

>>100165569
Thank you very much for the quick response. Can you share me the full model name for the AIO you suggested?

What are the pros/cons of using copper shims instead of thermal pads? My chipset pad went to shit and I didn't have any replacement pads but I had some leftover shims lying around so I went with die-thermal paste-copper shim-thermal paste-heatsink as a temporary fix. The shim is perfect size, old pad and new shim are about 1 mm thick (hard to measure exactly). Seems to be fine temperature-wise, significantly better than that old shitty pad. Can I keep it running like that or should I get a replacement thermal pad? My main concern is long-term effects from thermal cycling and related mechanical stress (thermal pads are soft and squishy, copper is hard). Can it damage the silicon and BGA in the long run or am I overthinking this?

>>100165588
I would suggest swapping the AIO for an air cooler instead.
A thermal spirit 120 should be enough for that i9

>>100165582
Well yeah then like I said you should cut down a bit to fit a 4090. For example 8TB of top flight PCIe 4 storage costs a lot but doesn't do a damned thing for your FPS. Unfortunately you've already bought the "best" components to save on but it shouldn't be too difficult regardless.
For example:
14600K
~$200 Z790
Top tier 2TB NVMe + cheap 4TB for bulk storage
Should save >$600

>>100165716
>recommending replacing i9 with i5
you have to be joking.
He could save on the mobo however, true

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>>100165402
>Z790 mobo

I think you could save a couple of bucks by getting a z690 board and flashing the bios so it can support your 13900K. I've heard good things about the MEG Z690 Ace by MSI, that shit is pretty much overkill for the average user but its relatively affordable compared to its z790 siblings.

>Corsair icue h170 elite LCD

I don't know if having an LCD screen is a must for you but you could look into Arctic's Liquid Freezer III, its one of the best AIOs currently available in the market at like 2/5 of the price of the competition. Assuming you're still within the return window of the AIO you just bought.

Also, I have no idea if you plan to use this PC for production and vidya but if you plan to solely do the latter, look into air cooling like the Phantom spirit EVO by thermalright, it currently dominates the air cooling scene at an affordable pricetag, since I doubt you'd get thermal throttling while playing video games. If you plan to do production stuff too, then definitely consider an AIO, since the 13/14 series love to get as hot as they can to squeeze every ounce of performance it offers. Besides, Intel CPUs are known to get an advantage in production work so there's that.

The rest seems to be OK. I'd replace the GPU with a 4080S TUF because its the 2nd best 4080 available in the market (behind the strix) when it comes to cooling, although a lot of people seem to complain that its got "coil whine" issues but I think they're just autistic. I'm sure whatever noise it generates is drowned among the other components like your case fans/PSU and the like.

>>100165803
I'm not. The difference is <10% in contrived gaming benchmarks and much less in the real world. The 30% faster card would make a lot more difference. If he wanted 8 p-cores for OC then he could get the 13/14700K instead.

>>100165803
You're making it sound like the i9 would massively improve gaming performance.

>2kilobuck iem
>1kilobuck keyboard
>but keeps using 6700k and 980ti since ten years ago
>980ti stop working
>buy 4060 with huge promo code
>happy with it since all I do is just playing gachashits
There's something wrong with me recently, back then I don't even look at budget options like 660, 960

>>100165838
>>100165854
i9 is gonna rape in multitasking and is way more future proof.
pairing 4080 with i5 is stupid

>>100165402
Torrent is shit for AIO imo, because the PSU is at the top. Get a Lian Li Lancool III, much better

>>100165871
Getting old, huh?

>>100165897
That's just wrong.

>>100165897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ij1CxfKq6g

Even a Ryzen 7600 works fine with a 4080 Super. It's absolutely worth pushing most of your spending towards the GPU.

>>100165899
He already owns the Torrent. Plus it's fine with a 420 because you can move the 280s to the bottom.

>>100165897
>Multitasking
That ain't videogames.
>Futureproof
Hahahaha.
Honestly I think a 7800X3D would be a better choice than the i5...

Is there something similar to the o11 dynamic mini but without the black border in the corner?

>>100165911
>>100165925
anon picked an i9 and i trust his judgement.
underspeccing CPU is a brainlet move, its almost more important then GPU

>>100165942
The only brainlet here is you anon. Underspeccing would be like a 12100 or a 5600/X. Buying a workstation CPU for a gaming rig doesn't get you anything.

>>100165899
>>100165921
I'll be moving the fans to the bottom, AIO facing the front, I've gone through youtube tutorials on how to do this and seen pictures of different builds with a torrent and often the AIO is placed at the front.
>>100165833
Thank you, I am still on the fence on the GPU as this is my first build and there are so many models and designs it gets confusing. I will look into the 4080s TUF

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My current build includes an RTX 4070 SUPER following your advice, guys.
Some weeks ago I was looking for recommendations for my new build and I mentioned I would still be playing on 1080p because I wasn't planning on upgrading monitors soon.
However, I have found that I get terrible screen tearing on all games. For now, I managed to kind of solve this by using the Nvidia panel control to limit fps fo games to 75, which is my current monitor's refresh rate. I read a little online (without understanding completely) that this could be solved by a good monitor or by using AMD freesync, but you need your screen to be plugged in using display port.

I am not even sure what is the question that I should make.

What should I do?
Get the display port cable to use AMD freesync?
Is there a good 1080p monitor that's not too expensive and will not get screen tearing?
Should I get a monitor with a resolution bigger than 1080p? If so what is the max resolution I should get if I have an R7 5700X and an RTX4070 SUPER?
Is there something I am missing on either Windows/Nvidia/Linux configs that I should configure?

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>I have to get a second ssd
Video games are too damned big nowadays

>>100165983
With your budget you should absolutely get the 4090 or at least the 4080 super
You will probably have quite some regrets a few months after you build this.

>>100165833
Sorry, when you say the 4080s tuf is the 2nd best behind the strix, do you mean strix as in:

ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4080 Super Gaming Graphics Card (16GB GDDR6X, PCIe 4.0, DLSS 3, HDMI 2.1a, DisplayPort 1.4a, Aura Sync RGB)?

>>100165985
Limit your fps to your screen refresh rate. This is basically a question for >>>/g/fwt or >>>/g/sqt
Anyway here is a resource to fix it:
https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/14/

>>100165961
alot of newer games are CPU heavy.
my 12700k gets up to 60-70% cpu use in some brand new titles.
so recommending an i5 for a super high end gaming setup is stupid

>>100165983
>I am still on the fence on the GPU
The 4080 and 4080 Super can be considered identical; we're talking 1% performance difference between them so the "Super" is just a price-cut. In practice this means demand for the stock 4080 craters so retailers have to drop prices. Buy whichever is cheaper or, as I said, trim down the workstation tier components so you can afford a 4090.
Also, as an aside, if you don't want to pay $1800 for a video card (which is perfectly reasonable) maybe swap the CPU over to a 7800X3D and plan for a 2-gen upgrade.

>>100159699
Why are the new boxes model numbers just in plain calibri font lol. The first time i saw it, i thought it was one of those chink fake replicas

>>100165995
Please explain the regrets? Please help me with the GPU, I'm struggling with picking one. My goal is utlra high graphics gaming, don't really care about rtx or even 120 fps, 60fps is good enough as im coming from console. Please share with me the gpu model you're recommending, 4090 is possibly a bit too much as it goes into 2k atleast.

>>100166051
What are the workstation tier components? Apologies, my first time building a pc and used pcpartspicker.

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>Waiting® for 18A Panther Lake
>Waiting® for 3nm GPU with GDDR7X VRAM
>Waiting® for third & fourth generation DDR5 system memory with 7200MT/s minimum JEDEC speeds @ 1.1V
>Waiting® for better OLED panels
>Waiting® for cooler PCIe Gen 5 NVMe drives
>Waiting® for ATX 3.1 PSUs with high-efficiency and Noctua 140mm fan installed (ASUS x Noctua PSU?)
>Waiting® for lighter wired-mouse
>Waiting® for the next-generation NH-D15 (chromax.black) CPU cooler
>Waiting® for good games to come out
The longer you wait®, the better PC components you can buy

>>100165993
I just started to uninstall them when I'm done playing. Internet is pretty fast now a days I can 100g games done in 30 minutes.

>>100166055
You overspent quite a bit on the parts you already have but it is what it is. Ryzen 9600 will most likely be better than the 13900K. 14700K is already about is good. I would just get a 4080 Super, doesn't matter much which model. TUF is good. STRIX is too close to a 4090 pric ewise.

>>100166069
see >>100165716

>>100166072
Kone Pro for your lightweight wired mouse, I'm loving mine

>>100166037
Sorry for posting on wrong bread.
I decided to post here because I figured it could have been possible that someone would recomend a specific monitor and that you guys could know better about that stuff, than other threads.
Still thanks a lot, I'll read your link!

Holy shit, I upgraded from a i7 6800k to 7800x3d and I now never drop below 80 fps in raids. With my old cpu I was stuck on 15-20 fps on several boss fights

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Am I the only one here who values good CPU?
I went for i7 instead of i5 just to have some extra headroom

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>>100166149
CPU is the most important part.
You can always decrease graphical settings, but you cant do alot with bad CPU.

>>100166149
What game?

>>100166077
> I would just get a 4080 Super, doesn't matter much which model.
This is what stumps me about GPUs. I just had a quick look on Amazon and i liked the design of MSI GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16G GAMING X TRIO - 16GB GDDR6X, 2610 MHz, PCI Express Gen 4, 256-bit, 3x DP v 1.4a, HDMI 2.1a (Supports 4K & 8K HDR). At this point I feel like i'm just going of the designs on how pretty they look. a 4080 super returns super aero, super windforce, super tuf, plait and so much more. I don't know where to go from here. That gpu i posted, I just that because it was sort of just all black and nothing super fancy.

>>100165993
>Video games are too damned big nowadays
Understatement of the year.
I miss nintendo and the shit they did to save space back then.
The industry these days are just garbage bloated shit.

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I used to struggle with having multiple things open last PC build because I cheaped out on the CPU.
Never again.
i7 or AMD i7 equivalent is what some people actually need and recommending i7 to save money is the worst advice you can give.

>>100166069
The i9 CPU is way overkill for games, since it has a fuckton of cores and is much better suited to productivity work, it's still really fast for gaming but you can get very similar gaming performance from a much cheaper AMD CPU like a 7800X3D, and the money you save from going with the cheaper CPU, you could spend on a better GPU.

So this is what you had in mind: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6ByJQP

And this is what I'd recommend: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RXMRxH

I changed the CPU to a 7800X3D and the motherboard to a more reasonable one that's compatible with the CPU, this change alone shaves off about $300.
I removed 1 one of the SSDs.
With the "savings" from the changes, I added a 4090 (replacing the 4080).

The prices are very similar, but what I recommend would give you similar CPU performance (for games) and a lot more GPU power, you do lose on half the storage, but I think 2 TB is sufficient for most.

I hope this can help you a little bit.

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>>100165983
>>100166023
>>100166055

Yeah that's the one. If you happen to see the "OC" variant, don't pay too much attention to that. it's a $50 markup that does essentially nothing in terms of performance. Simply focus on getting a GPU at its MSRP. Honestly you should focus on getting a 4080 super TUF, the price difference between the tuf and the strix is not really worth the markup IMO.

That GPU is gonna handle VR games just fine.

Also, like what the other anons said, you could save some cash by purchasing a 7800X3D and a B650 motherboard if you solely want to play video games. As for the motherboard, you could look into Asrock's PGRiptide B650 mobo or Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX. I've seen a lot of people shit on gigabyte's motherboards but some of my friends own the Elite AX and they have to yet run into any problems.

>>100166214
>Nothing super fancy

Then consider the TUF, I think 70% of the Strix markup is justified with all of the fancy RGB. You're not missing much in the cooling department to be honest.

>>100166256
>productivity work
What does productivity work actually mean? I keep seeing it being thrown around but I don't think most jobs need an i9 cpu

>>100166321
Video editing requires a lot of (fast) coars.

>>100166256
Thank you very much for this, I appreciate it. Would this still fare very well for VR gaming?

>>100166233
People definitely overspend more than they underspend though. Doesn't help with shills all around the place either.
I'm happy I'm computer literate enough to figure out what I need to buy by myself. Most people spend way too much on stuff they don't need they could've spent on way better things.

>>100166072
>not waiting for (LP)CAMM
my man...

>>100166198
WoW (retail)

>>100166348
I must admit I'm not very knowledgeable about VR gaming specifically, but in "normal" games, the i9 13900K (and i9 14900k) and 7800X3D are very even in performance, I would assume it's not different for VR games and if anything, you would be GPU-limited first before your CPU ever becomes a problem, and with an RTX 4090, you won't have to worry much about that.

>>100166149
>>100166462
Well, it was an almost 10 year old CPU. What did you expect?
Granted I used a i5 2400 for almost ten years.

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You guys didn't tell me how good it feels troubleshooting as a new builder. I thought I had my build fairly optimized for airflow and temp control, but was averaging 70-75c under load. I know that's within reasonable thresholds, but was way too high for me. Looked it over and realized my cooler fan was oriented incorrectly, swapped it, now I average 55-60c even under heavy load. Felt so good bros.

>>100166422
thats true.
I know what I need better these days and can afford to spend a bit, 18TB of storage, and an i7 are what I actually need

>>100166321
i9 is great for audio production for example.

>>100163058
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b6dsQP
I added two PSU's. I would definitely spend the extra $30 if you can spare it for a modern, quality PSU.

I can't decide on a GPU. My budget was initially in the 800 range, but the 7900XTX at $850 is tempting. Would it be much better than the 4070 ti super if I'm not considering raytracing?

>>100166799
Stick to your budget, GRE and its GeForce equivalent are decent cards.

>>100166799
Perhaps this will help you.
The best GPU candidates are already in the OP.
https://bestvaluegpu.com/

>>100166799
Ridiculously big and power hungry makes it not usable for me I must admit.

>>100166799
ask yourself why it is so low

>>100166799
>>100166960
This, you would have to be out of your mind to consider an AMD GPU for gaming, do yourself a favor and get an Nvidia Geforce RTX™ card instead, The GeForce RTX™ 4000 Family lets you take on the latest games and apps with the ultra-efficient NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture. Experience immersive, AI-accelerated gaming with ray tracing and DLSS 3, and supercharge your creative process and productivity with NVIDIA Studio.

>>100166990
This but unsarcastically.

Can I just not plug in rgb cables for fans if I don't care about the lights?

>>100167048
What do you mean you don't care about the lights?

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>>100166990
>>100167006
Reminds me of these.
I just can't take nvidia's shilling tactics seriously any more.

>>100161841
now i installed MoKiChU driver, set advanced properties to 802.11ac (i don't have ax router), 5G only, disabled power management
seems to work smoothly, a redditor said he got less range with the intel module, that's awkward if people are spending $20 because of an obviously broken but fixable software/driver issue, it's night and day with heavy downloading tasks like downloading dozens of fitgirl repack archives and streaming youtube simulataneously

>>100167093
lol, the guy who wrote that probably posts here.

>>100167210
There’s tons of similar reviews around. Hostile stealth marketing sucks. It’s bad enough with regular shilling, but honestly nvidia has taken it too far.

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What's you think?

SSD and psu I swapped from my old PC

>>100167670
How much more is the RTX 4060?

>>100167719
6000 rubles

>>100167670
would probably recommend 5600 over 5500 and rtx 4060 over rx7600

>>100167670
what is your old PC?

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Going to pull the trigger, thoughts?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K4PPTY

>>100167773
It would be plus 15000 rubles or something.

>>100167799
I5-7400
Ddr3 16gb
B250 motherboard
Samsung 980 500 gb
Dony remember what psu but 600 watt probably

>>100167833
>It would be plus 15000 rubles or something.
then I'd save up 15000 rubles or something

>>100167747
Is the price in the green box in rubles? If so, that means the RTX 4060 is about 25% more expensive than the RX 7600, for about equal rasterized performance but better RT performance and DLSS, not sure if worth it... At this price point, RT is kind of a meme, so that only gives real value to DLSS.

>>100167823
What will you be using this PC for?

>>100167833
it would not be a big jump.
You didnt list a GPU, so maybe just put the money towards a decent GPU instead

>>100167876
It's for a family member whose still gaming on a 1070. Goals are primarily gaming, with a focus on not having to upgrade for a long time, but also having the room to upgrade or add more of their existing hdds if they want.

>>100167979
1070 is still respectable.
I dont think this jump is worth it.

>>100167865
>At this price point, RT is kind of a meme, so that only gives real value to DLSS.
Honestly, a 4060 won't even do DLSS well. It's not really a 1440p card, so upscaling to 4K is unrealistic. And DLSS at a base resolution of 1080p and under is annoying in most cases.
I would still recommend the 4060 just for the productivity aspects, as it works well with video editors, 3D modelling, entry level AI, stuff like that. Just not for RT/DLSS.

>>100168013
>I would still recommend the 4060 just for the productivity aspects, as it works well with video editors, 3D modelling, entry level AI, stuff like that
the 3060 is better

>>100167979
>gaming
I would get a 7800X3D instead of a 7950X3D, it's as fast and sometimes even faster, there's something "wrong" with way the extra cores of the 7950X3D are set up, so it's not ideal for gaming.
I would get a decent B650 board instead of a 670E, something like an Gigabyte Aorus Elite X.
I would get a RTX 4080 Super or even a 4070 Ti Super instead of an AMD card at the high-end.
The rest seems fine, though the PSU is overkill, but if the plan is to have it last 10 years or more, I guess it's good for that.
I would also say the case is overpriced and a full tower case really is massive, though it makes sense if the idea is to potentially have a lot of HDDs in there in the future.

>>100163615
7800x3D uses like 30-40 watts while gaming, an AMD stock cooler would be able to handle it.

the thermalright is good, ak620 is also good value and will handle anything demanding as well.

EKB bros how are you holding up?

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the palm rest on my dell latitude is very sticky and collects lots of dust. I've tried using rubbing alcohol as well as a degreaser. should just throw a skin over it?

>>100168236
Never, ever falling for the water cooling memes.

>>100168416
Windex.

How often do you need to replace AIO coolers?

>>100168838
i really want an answer why someone would use an AIO
please
even high power chips are easily able to be air cooled, so whats even the point?

>>100168838
Some last a year, some several years, some 4 months, some fail completely, some slowly degrade and become less efficient than a single air cooler.
>>100168871
i9 13900k/14900k absolutely require them, some smaller cases like for ITX builds a bulky thermalright dual fan won't fit.

>>100168838
Also have seen some growing algae, more common in custom loops but that will clog yo pipes for sho.

>>100168871
Some small cases don't have the space for decent airflow.

>>100168099
Alright, following you on all that and will step down on the cpu, mobo, and gpu.

How much CPU should I get if I want emulate newer-ish consoles like PS4?

>>100169129
The GPU is not so much a step down but more of an alternative, for the most part, it's considered that Nvidia GPUs offer "better value" at the higher end, while AMD GPUs are often considered to offer better value at the mid to low end, the 7900 XTX is certainly very powerful and has a lot of VRAM, but if the family member you mentioned would like to use a lot of raytracing features (on games such as Alan Wake 2 or Cyberpunk 2077), then one of the Nvidia cards I mentioned might be better, if not, the 7900 XTX will do nicely, the GPU is probably one of the hardest decisions to make these days.

>>100169285
I'm going with the 4070 Ti Super to save a bit, but yeah, they'll probably leave the default ray-traced options on by default.

>>100169193
Good PS4 emulators don't exist yet.
For PS3, you'll want beefy single-threaded performance with AVX-512 support. A Zen 4 CPU like the 7600X will do you fine, avoid Intel 12th gen and up since they removed AVX-512. The i7-11700KF will be your next best bet if you need an Intel option.
Anything older than PS3 can be easily emulated on a Skylake or Zen 1 CPU from 2016, any modern CPU can do those.

how is the RX 7600 for 1440p if i don't give a shit about high settings and just want high frame rates?

>>100169193
I think PS4 emulation is still in its infancy, so it's hard to predict what you'll need for that.
Right now the hardest stuff to emulate is PS3, but anything past and including the 7600 should be more than good enough to give you the expected performance without slowdowns.

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>>100169311
I wouldn't expect a lot from that at 1440p, even at low to medium settings you'll probably be at around 80 to 100 FPS on average, when you say high frame rates I'm assuming you're talking about 144+? You'll need something faster to consistently hit that.
This image shows the FPS average you can expect at the highest settings (no RT) so you can get an idea.

>>100160676
>centipedes? in MY vagina?

>>100161246
it's literally in the OP

>>100164057
just steal a better one

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>>100169306
>avoid Intel 12th gen and up since they removed AVX-512.
The general ST improvements more than make up for it Nobody should be buying 11th gen or older any more.
t. 11700k fag

Can anyone with an assassin IV tell me how noticeable the weird fan noise is? I've read and seen videos and it does seem to have some weird resonance noise that other air coolers don't. I really want one as I love the cube look BUT i don't know how big of an issue this noise thing is.

What does it mean when people talk about productivity capability with CPUs? Are they benchmarking some simulation software?

>>100170163
All core performance

>>100170189
Where would I actually see that performance??

>>100170206
video editing, rendering, 3d stuff like blender, that kinda thing

>>100170206
Computational fluid dynamics too

How badly will a pcie x8 lane bottleneck a fast, modern gpu?

>playing on pc
>randomly blue screens
>reboots
>bluetooth is gone
whenever this happens, my bluetooth disappears (meme gigabyte board), how do I stop this permanently

>>100170574
that's just the ntfs experience
backup reinstall windows

>>100166539
I didn't think the difference would be that massive

>>100167670
Just buy a used 1660ti or super from aliexpress, man...

>>100168416
Use vinyl decorative film.

>still recommending Radeon
lol drivers are still making games unplayable stop recommending that jeet trash

>>100170574
go to bios and turn off bluetooth
or disable it in device manager

>>100162784
>LTT
not clicking that
kys

>>100170682
There was a really long period from about 2010 to 2020 where performance for CPUs didn't increase, only number of cores and power efficiency. I didn't upgrade my 2400 because new CPUs didn't really increase performance, and after ten years performance increaes for new CPUs was like only 50 percent or something. But then Ryzen was introduced and CPUs started increasing performance again.
So you had good reason not to upgrade for a long time, but you were probably a bit late on the ball

>>100170206
Code compile times, file compression times, number of realtime plugins in a DAW, number of dwarfs in Dwarf Fortress.

>>100162707
how many years of your life do you want non raytraced?
how many years of your life do you wanna use oboslete tech?
you DO know you are going to die right?
memento mori
oled is not a poorfag tech or people scared of life
buy a 2k panel blast it 100% brightness and embrace the futility of life
or
stay scared
>>100162784
is pcbg this retarded why does this keep getting spammed?
>shit tier video clickbait whos problem was solved in video with a pixel refresh
>>100166072
while you wait, you buy something in the meantime
>>Waiting® for third & fourth generation DDR5 system memory with 7200MT/s minimum JEDEC speeds @ 1.1V
ram is obsolete, 4800mhz with an x3d and fogeddabout it if you are a casual
>>Waiting® for better OLED panels
use 4k 240hz qdoled until 480hz qdoled is out, gonna be a min
>>Waiting® for cooler PCIe Gen 5 NVMe drives
useless
>>Waiting® for ATX 3.1 PSUs with high-efficiency and Noctua 140mm fan installed (ASUS x Noctua PSU?)
useless
>>Waiting® for lighter wired-mouse
insanely obsolete and useless
>>Waiting® for the next-generation NH-D15 (chromax.black) CPU cooler
pointless
>>Waiting® for good games to come out
you gonna be dead before that, we already hit the peak

my 7800x3d,ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2,
Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO a,d ddr5 2x16gb 6000 cl30 is arriving tomorrow

may the tech gods bless me

>>100170986
Good parts

>>100170939
if your point is yolo and living the best time of your life, you'd probably be better off spending less money on computer parts and using the money on something that actually gives you happiness instead, like a gym membership, better food, a girlfriend, stuff like that honestly
a couple of extra fps and more shiny isn't gonna make you more happy. it's money wasted on nothing

>>100170995
cheers!
clinging on to my 3080 in the hopes that the 5090 will be at a "reasonable" price by the end of the year

>>100166072
im just going to keep using a 2080 ti HAHAHAHAHA i know i know im just going to keep using it

>>100171066
I'm probably going to refuse buying something better than my 3060 for a long time. Works good enough for me.

>>100171066
If my 2080s dies I still have 5700xt and 3070ti. If all they die I still have gt720.

>>100171084
What if you die?

>>100171111
It is the best outcome.

WAIT FOR 5000 series

Is it worth the extra $70 to pick a 7600 and DDR5 over a 5600x and DDR4? The person using it has no plans on playing AAA games and won't use this for any real computing work.

>>100171378
no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s43Auv8ub7w

does this apply to amd chips too?

Mommy's milk

https://videocardz.com/newz/sdc-launches-4k-165hz-nano-ips-monitor-with-displayport-2-0-at-415

Hopefully we’ll get them soon bros…

>AMD was shit but eventually found the secret sauce to make great CPUs that actually compete with and in many cases beat Intel's, going on for several years now
>but they can never come close to doing the same with their graphics
Fucking what is stopping them from making competitive GPUs? What is Nvidia's sorcery that AMD can't replicate?

>>100171560
This already happened to AMD chips when the 7000 series came out and has been fixed. so no.

>>100171378
Not really right now but the 7600 PC would last longer and have more upgrade potential if this person ever does get into AAA gaming. That's not a bad trade for $70. I suppose it comes down to the total budget or, rather, the budget flexibility. If he's flat broke and just needs a PC for web browsing and writing term papersetc. then yeah get the 5600(X) (or even a 12100). If he's got a job and a little cash to splash then, again, $70 is not a lot of money for the potential it gives the PC. Can you give us more info about the use-case and budget?

>>100171705
through a bios updte?

>>100171720
Yes. If you were to buy AM5 now it would come pre-flashed with the bios update pre-installed. The blame isn’t on Intel or AMD in either case but the motherboard manufacturers for dialing the default settings up for no reason.

>>100171733
gotcha thank you!

>>100171709
Co-op games on Steam, Sims 4, eventually Sims 5, and web-browsing. They've never had a decent PC and seem unaffected by terrible framerate (20 on some games), so I want them to have a 60+ smooth experience on everything they play. I'm paying for it, so I'm aiming for best value without overspending unnecessarily. For reference, I have a 5600x and an old 470 card, and that would be a huge improvement for what they're used to.

>>100171782
Thanks. I'll start by saying either option will be plenty to hit that target FPS. Unfortunately it does come down to that trade of intangibles. The most objective way I can put it is to recommend the 5600/X if the saving lets you fit a higher tier card in budget. If not then I'd say to get the 7600 because it'll save you/him money down the line when the time comes to upgrade. It'd also be worth looking at the 12600K(F) as a "middle ground" - you get a bit more performance but not the upgrade potential. The price difference as of today is ~$30.

7800xt or 7900gre?

>>100171908
GRE if you have the money

>>100171928
It’s like 50 eur difference.

>>100171842
Yeah, I was looking to kick it up to a 4060 rather than a cheaper AMD card for the power consumption alone. I've had no experience with DDR5, so it's hard to make the call on the value of the AM5 over AM4. I just want to avoid snowballing the price by constantly inching up each component. Thanks for your input.

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>>100171948
So just get the GRE? What's the question here?

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>>100171949
You're welcome. IMO you'd want to use Nvidia for a normie's PC regardless. While I don't think the drivers meme is a big deal to people like us, there is a kernel of truth to it.

>I've had no experience with DDR5
Right now it makes no difference in the vast majority of games (and obviously lighter stuff like web browsing) so again it comes back to longevity. The reason it's a tricky question is because $70 is not a lot of money. Especially when amortized. I'm sorry there's no definitive answer but take comfort in the fact that either option, or the 12600KF, will work just fine.

If you've got any more questions I'll be in the next thread.