What is the definitive video game controller?
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>>100172493PS4 controller in rose gold
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>>100172493
Xbox controller for anything that isn’t played in Retroarch or emulators.For Retroarch and emulation I use 8bitdo SN30 Pro.
Definitely not the one that doesn't register your Y button half the time
>>100172628Fat fingers posted this. Dualshock has filtered fatties since 90s
>>100172493Never had a Xbox. And nostalgia speaks for PS1 and PS2. But I have a Xbox controller for PC and it's definitely king of controllers
Does the ps5 controller have native drivers on Windows, like x-input, or do you need a wrapper software for older stuff outside of Steam?
>>100172750I don’t have an answer but Steam itself is a wrapper. You can add any software to your steam library and it will gain controller support
>>100172750Yes out of the box. No more headache with drivers and it still works with ds4windows if you want to play with colors and customisation.
>>100172773>>100172824I see. Thanks. Always avoided PS controllers since the days of PS3 since it seemed like too much of a bother when compared to x-input controllers.
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>>100172493Xinput causing the standardization of PC controllers was a disaster, there is no definitive PC controller, it's all about what you want to do at that moment.If we're talking generic as fuck controllers, then I guess arguably the DS4 takes it, since it has a gyro, but the modern controller only ever dwarfs the humble mouse and keyboard due to lacking design considerations.>>100172628>Still entirely reasonable to use the analog stick, except you retain access to using the DPad in a comfortable wayIf it works, it works.>Oh but what about the other side?The design of the right side of controllers has been a meme since the inclusion of the right analog stick, that thing is worthless and outclassed by everything else now that gyro is a staple on good controllers, even just having more face buttons is worth more than an additional analog stick unless you really want to control a second character.>>100172682>Feels cheap, bad bumpers and the grip paddles are stiff>Should've gone back to basics after deciding to reinclude the stick and buttons to make using them more comfortable>configuration is pretty mediocre even if it did start the death of XinputI really like the idea of the controller though.>>100172866>Killed videogames by overfocusing on the right analog stickThanks king, love the moviegames.
>>100172883>configuration is pretty mediocreWhich controller has better configuration than steam controller? It's miles better than anything else.
>>100172750ps4 and ps5 controller are directinput. anything that supports it natively will work out of the box. if it uses xinput you need a wrapper (steam, ds4windows, etc)
>>100172914For something that needed to be extensively reconfigured it was pretty annoying to put up with. Though admittedly it has been a few years since I've used it, so I may just need to give it another whirl, since I assume that it has been improved over time.
>>100172868Very based. Best 2D controller there is.
>>100172961>For something that needed to be extensively reconfigured it was pretty annoying to put up with.Ok, but still it is the most configurable controller I've ever seen.
the steamdecksometimes i wish i could just plug the thing into my computer to use it because of the trackpads+gyro makes FPS actually playable
>>100172493>controller doesn't have a keypad or trackballNGMI
>>100172493I'll presume you mean for playing games on PC in 2024. PS5 controller is what I'd recommend to most people and I usually default to it. If Switch Pro had the same "just works" compatibility as PS5 I would use that>Switch Pro+Incredible Battery Life+Ergonomics+Dpad+Buttons~Sticks-Triggers-Poor PC Compatibility>PS5 Controller+Best Compatibility+Buttons+Sticks+Triggers-Dpad---Terrible Battery Life>PS4 ControllerPS5 controller is a pure upgrade>Xbox+Sticks+Good Compatibility~Battery Life~Buttons~Triggers-Dpad-Ergonomics>8bitdo Pro (I use this sometimes)+Dpad+Buttons+Sticks+SNES style flat faced ergonomics~Battery~Triggers~Feels less rigid than other controllers>GuliKit KingKong2+++Best Sticks you can get on a controller without modding+Triggers+Battery Life~Ergonomics~Buttons~Dpad~QA issues, lots of people get stuck buttons>t. owns all of these controllers and more, will keep falling for "this one is really good" third party brands
>>100172628Is this actually true ? I only used playstation controllers and never had a problem with it
>>100172493It doesn't exist, unfortunately.The perfect controller has ABXY (instead of Nintendo's BAYX), Start+Select, L1/R1 and L2/R2.
xbox one/ 360 controller with gyro so that would be the switch pro controller
>>100172682Yup, this one, though if you play games which benefit from a real D-pad then having a new Xbox controller around as well won't hurt.
>>100173870Yeah, this.Steam controller is either hit or miss for given game. Playing Zelda BotW on that was just amazing. But old games that require precise dpad kind of suck.
>>100172493xbox series
>>100172682I wish valve made a second version of it. Maybe with better materials and fit and finish, but keep the rest of the layout untouched. And also add a hall-effect joystick for good measure. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
>>100173525I quite enjoyed playing shooters on the Wii. Wish games still supported this kind of thing outside of VR
>>100174166/thread
>>100174323I'm currently looking for a way to make the wii remote work with my pc (not just the buttons but also the motion feature). Dolphin already supports it which is neat but I want to try out some other games.
>>100174303I wish it was modular with option to swap touchpads with joystick and dpad. It would be a perfect gamepad then.
How to shut down xbox 360 wireless controller on PC:Take off battery pack like a kid.Wait 15 minutes.Or best partMake 25 row C++ code that calls Xinput DLL to send all available xinput devices a kill signal
>>100174303If they have any sense, then it'll be a split VR controller or at least a controller that can easily and cheaply be expanded to have that capability. There's no reason to keep that functionality away from their regular controllers outside of trying to create two separate markets with two separate pricing schemes.>>100174383It already has the optimal quantity of joysticks. Swapping components just introduces unnecessary mechanical stress, better to just use a controller that does D-Pad input well and make the controller easily serviceable to counteract wear or obsolescence.
>>100172493>stick drift>etc et alNone. They are all equally e-waste.
>>100172493Anything else is just bloat
>>100172628>first person shooters are the most popular genre>right analog stick is the most important part for a shooter where you will put your thumb 99% of the time>placed on the bottom of all controllersreally makes you think
I had picrel as the main controller for like 2 years now with F310 as a backupnever had any stick drift or anything
>>100174166this, consoles are for children and women
>>100175363>being comfortable and sitting on the couch is badthe cope is out of this world
nacon's wired dualshock 4 clone
>>100172493Xbox 360 controller is the final/ultimate controller for me
>>100174781The triggers are too stiff. I clipped the springs in mine, which helped. But it's not perfect.
>>100175382>CONTROLLERS ARE JUST AS GOOD PC CHUD<takes away auto aim>>NO NO NO THAT'S NOT FAIR MOUSE IS OP
>>100172493The xbox controller has the ultimate layout. The heightened placement of the left analogue stick promotes more vertical movement, more suitable for navigation. The position of the right analogue stick promotes more horizontal movement, which is suitable for just about any 3D game where you manipulate the camera, widescreen or not.The playstation analogue stick loadout occurred as a cope because Sony were too fucking retarded to add more than one analogue stick on the PS1, and had to contend with the Xbox's superior dual analogue stick design. That's why their design will always be secondary to the much superior xbox controller, and in my opinion, a laughing stock of the world. If I were caught dead holding a playstation controller I would bathe myself in battery acid.
>>100175475okay comp tranny
>>100172493Nothing else comes close.>>100174781This anon is on the right path however.
>>100175560>still worse than gyro
>>100175478The right analog stick is a meme, it offers slightly more fidelity for nudging the camera but it's become a sunk cost pit for developers.>promotes more horizontal movement, which is suitable for just about any 3D game where you manipulate the cameraIt's suitable to just about any 3D game because controllers favored killing off verticality to favor the right analog stick more intensely. The common gameplay trends for shooters in 7th and 8th gen were a reduction in speed, a walk button for your camera controls and cover based shooting that allowed the player to almost completely ignore one analog stick, essentially masking the fact that moving aiming to the right analog didn't really propel the gameplay beyond what was offered by RE4 or Metroid Prime on the gamecube.Replacing the right analog stick on the Xbox layout with pressure sensitive "Move camera left" and "Move camera right" buttons reminiscent of the OG Xbox layout would work better than the current layout that is just permanently malding about the gyro.
>>100172493I love this little nigga like you would not believe.
>>100172683/thread
>>100173185>+Best CompatibilityHUH? Why are you lying, snoy?
>>100172628But a lower right stick for aiming that you keep your finger on 90% of the time in shooters is a-ok? stupid fuck.
>>100175735I am so close to getting one but the bt/2.4 and colourways with different ABXY placement choices has me stopping clicking buy every time I remember it.
>>100175946don't, the trigger sucks
>>100175969Oh really? You're the first I have seen to bring this up. The only reason I am considering it is because the switch pro controller doesn't have analog triggers which is what's holding it back from being my all-device controller. What would you recommend/what's wrong with the triggers?
>>100176019the triggers will be squeaky on the first day, trust mei've been through 3 of those and the triggers feel cheaper the one in the dualshock 4
>>100172493The 360 controller, and it's not even close. The new Dualshock will be forgotten immediately once the next one comes out. Meanwhile, 50 years from now someone will still be making 360 controllers for industrial applications.Anything wireless is a non-starter because eventually the world will move on from its protocol. Anything non-USB ditto. The 360 controller was the peak of controller design, if only the peak before the wireless era (because the XBone controller improved on it somewhat)
>>100175829I'm not a Snoy, I do not own a PS5, I do not own a PS4 and have no plans to ever buy a Sony console. I bought Returnal on PC, I'll buy Stellar Blade on PC, I do not have any desire to play any other Playstation exclusives or temporary exclusives. If anything I'm closest to Nintendofag because I will definitely buy the Switch 2 on launch with whatever first party games they release but I'm primarily a PC only gamer
>>100176019also, if you don't mind the loud buttons and layout i would recommend the series x controller, otherwise go with the dualshock 5 (on sale, fuck sony)
>>100176232The smash community has started crowdfunding its own GCN controllers because Nintendo don't make 'em like they used to, so this is the definitive answer.
>>100176229Also it's a wired controller *with the desktop as a first-class citizen*, because MS is a desktop company. It speaks flawless HID unlike literally every other controller in existence, and writing drivers for it is basically trivial. Mars colony microcopters will be controlled using 360 controllers.
>>100176232What about the Wavebird isn't that better ?
>>100176302>muh wirelessdisgusting
>>100176232I really like the abxy and feel of itBut it had some shortcomings like the dpad, triggers and cstick
360 is near perfect the only thing that needs to be fixed is the dpad, newer xbox controllers aren't the same
>>100175926Defer to>>100175478
>>100172628This picture assumes that everyone has tiny nigger paws like you.
>>100174303They did it's just built into the steam deck
>>100172682Came here to post this
>>100176249they made one two years or three years ago and it was the basically the same as the gamecube appart from the text on the case
Dualsense on Linux so the xinput shit doesn't bother you anymore
>>100177204What the fuck are color ways, I hear this shit from zoomers all the time.
>>100177204Apparently it wasn't good enough, idk. Pro SSBM players reject anything that wasn't made in the GCN era.
>>100172493The F310 as backup to this: >>100175735>>100175946I took a sharpie to mine to relabel them.
>>100172493Most ergonomic design imho
>>100174367Yeah same, can only really get the wiimote to work on Dolphin on linux anyway.
FlyDigi controllers are pretty good
>>100172501>>100172563this.To be honest though, it's close to perfect but chinks really know how to mix stupid minor nuisances into otherwise perfect products.
>>100177758it was literally the same thing if you opened it uppros are just comp trannies
>>100172493either ps2 controller or a xinput n64.
Anons what kind of usb cables do you use when playing games on your pc? I keep getting fucking shitty ones that break within a year or so, I have been looking into these Anker ones however they don't have a 3m USB-A to USB-C cable, only shorter ones, what long USB cable do you guys recommend for controllers that don't just charge them but function well to play with, since I don't use batteries on my xbox controller
>>100179272Wireless dongle.
>>100178814You get the new hall version? I just got this on ebay and want the new hall effect 8Bitdo Pro 2, but heard the factory firmware is fucked on the new Pro 2 and needs an update, but I only have Linux and don't want to do a whole Windows install just to update it.
>>100179356I just prefer playing with a cable on my pc
>>100179272Nimaso or INIU, good sturdy cablesOr just go wireless lmao
>>100179443Xbox dongle is 100 percent reliable on PC with no input lag. I never thought it was possible after the plethora of issues I had with the PS5 controller.
>>100179483>>100179488I'd consider going wireless on an xbox controller if it didn't have fucking batteries that you need to replace or charge as well
>>100179605you can buy a rechargeable battery pack for the xbox one controller that gets recharged via the usb c connector on the controller
>>100179605Yep. Batteries are the only downfall, but I've bought rechargeables. It does make things more pricey overall.
>>100173185>compliments the switches and 8bitdo dpads>disses the ps5 dpadtell me you don't use dpads without telling me you don't use dpads. legitimately, have you never played a fighting game? there's a reason ps4s are the standard for tourneys.
>>100179762Yeah it's because Sony sponsors Street Fighter + nobody fucking owns an Xbox, not because their controllers are better. PS5 dpad is a piece of shit that digs into your fingers like crazy if you're trying to play a fighting game with intensive inputs and they should have just ported the Vita's 1:1
>>100179656>rechargeable battery pack for the xbox one controllerThis one?>>100179677I think it's worth it, gonna try these I guess
8bitdo Pro 2, new version with Hall effect sticks
>>100179992yup
>>100175475gyro and flick stick don't need auto aim
>>100179382I think the android app can update its firmware too
>>100179272https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z1FJ1J4/orhttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B09J3FCS6T/I got a bunch and leave them plugged into consoles/PC/whatever. Goes well with some adapters if you have any mini or micro usb stuff still.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GH5KJH2/https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TLBTXXJ/
>>100172493after playing sekiro i have completely written off xbox controllers, the way your index finger lies flat on the bumper, coupled with clicky bumpers that require a higher force to actuate means they're a genuine disadvantage when it comes to games that require fast reactionsswitching to a dualshock which has your index fingers in a claw shape upon much lighter bumpers made me immediately noticeably better at the game
>>100175478>>100176802>Sony were too fucking retarded to add more than one analogue stick on the PS1, retardt. someone who hates snoys controller
>>100172493Flydigi Apex 4
>>100172750>>100172883>>100172947>>100174438XInput is finally dying and being replaced by GameInput https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/gdk/_content/gc/input/gc-input-toc
Slowly turning into this guy.
>>100172628snoysniggers will seethe and cope at this
>>100173185GameSir mogs all those shitboxes
>>100179431fix the dpad, put some titties in the middle and you're golden
>>100175560It use to cost about 15 to 25 usd Now it cost 45 to 60 usdWhat the fuck is wrong with the USD and inflation You burgers better fix this shit
>>100172683The swivelling analog stick on DC controllers feels like shit.
>>100179431why "the duke" instead of the slimmer v2? cringe, the v2 is the ones where MS really becomes superior
>>100179431>WiredSo close...
>>100179382I'm waiting for the inevitable version with 2.4g dongle. Stick drift has not really been an issue for me so far.
>>100175926>>>>>>>>>>>>>>playing shooters on console
>>100184587yea the right analog stick has always been shit tier for fps games. only game i like that has you using the right stick is enter the gungeon.
>>100175415nerds who only play FPSes are smoothbrained twitchtards. good games use more than one analog input
>>100181807>Using yet another shitty Microsoft API intended for EEE bullshitWe're not going through this song and dance again.>>100180064Gyro and flickstick also doesn't need two analog sticks.Flickstick just turns the stick into 2-3 button inputs for snap turning.>>100185095Unless you are controlling a second character, that additional analog input shouldn't be provided by a thumbstick.
>>100175560
>>100172493the seX controller has really weird bumpers, this time sony wins by a large margin
>>100180100The android app requires all kinds of nonsense permissions, like precise location access.
The one I'm designing right now>fully custom MLX90393ELW based magnetometer joysticks >Bluetooth+USB control>nRF52832 SoC>LSM6DSMTR IMU>DRV5053 based analog triggers>PS3 controller form factor (need help with mechanical enclosure design)
>>100183746every xbox controller but the duke was made for child hands. It's a shame hyperkin won't fix the problem with the trigger or I'd buy their repro. Current xbox controllers make my hands cramp and nobody makes a good snap on grip extender of any substance.
>>100172628>natural thumb placement >can't even hold the controller
>>100175478The left stick being way up at the top of the controller is retarded. My left thumb isn't any longer than the right so like everyone else using an Xbox controller I have to move my left hand up the controller and hold it asymmetrically to compensate for its stupid design.
>>100188968This. Lets be honest, playstation sticks were made for sporty people who excelled in driving and ice hockey. Xbox layout is for the fat finger fps chud
>>100174781This
>>100186075autistic absolutism about personal preference just makes you look like a boomer idiot
Why would I need more than this?
>>100172868GOAT of 2d games
the d-pad on all xbox controllers sucks dick, not sure why anyone would use that controller
>>100186808Sounds cool but if you're designing a controller might as well go all the way and make it a custom ergonomic controller, tailor fit to your hands. Like https://hackaday.com/2021/07/14/design-a-custom-enclosure-using-modelling-clay-and-photogrammetry/Also questionable microcontroller choice, BLE only and no USB built in.
>>100172493Playstation has had the correct positioning of buttons and joysticks figured out since 1997. It took Nintendo until the Nintendo Wii to finally start using this layout, and even now their consoles still dont come with that type of controller by default. Xbox swaps the left joystick and D-pad just to be different and is only made worse for it. So while the other consoles are still playing catch up with their controllers, at least there seems to be lot of good controllers with this layout for PC.
>>100173185>>PS5 Controllerthis thing is shit. Flimsy and low battery.
What do you guys think of the alpakka? It's currently wired only and it seems like the wireless module will take a huge amount of time to come out. The youtube videos are looking crazy. It's expensive as fuck but i hope that someone sells prebuilds when the wireless thing is figured out.
DualSense Edge
>>100191051what the fuckwhy the fuck
>>100176302no rumble
>>100172493xbox 360 wired > switch pro > anything elsetiny sonynigger hands need not apply
>>100175363>My Little Smokey is bigger than your Tic-Tac
>>100188968>>100189052>microsoft made the duke smaller to accommodate children>hands still too smalltop kek, imagine
There is noneI have around 20 different controllers, and there's just no best.Considering modern controllers, the DS5 is probably the one I use the most, since it's not loud, it works fine, it's lagless. Battery life sucks but I replaced that and the gimmicks work quite well. Xbox controllers are astoundingly overrated, they're not exactly any more durable, in fact the only controller where I got some stick drift was an xbox one controller. I don't get why these are so pricey, they should be maybe $30.
>>100191327It has two gyros. The buttonpad is some sort of haptic enabled plastic that activates the gyros when you touch it. The 3D button can be used as the right joystick. The scrollwheel looks convenient as fuck and it has a huge amount of programmable buttons on the back and front. it can act like a keyboard/wheel/gamepad at the same time and support many profiles to switch to on demand. I will buy it in a heartbeat when it gets cheaper to acquire.
I went from the wired 360 controller to the XBX wired with hall-effect joysticks. No need to care about latency or charging.That said, I rarely use controllers, mostly mouse and keyboard.
>>100186377>Vaporeon with mammariesHERESY>>>/mlp/>>>/b/
>>100175259If you play FPS games on anything other than a PC you're a retard
>>100193437I agree, but it still stands as the most popular genre on consoles as well
>>100190925It's not as flimsy as some of the others on the list, it's good enough to take first because the better controllers have worse flaws. It's basically above average with great compatibility
>>100172493older model xbox controller with the 4 way dpad instead of whatever the fuck that is>>100172866gay and lame + no bluetoothi dont even play console I just play dark souls 1 on my pc with a controller because keyboard controls suck
Ascii Grip bros where you at?
>>100172493anything else is bloat, except for >>100172682>>100173870>recognizes Steam superiority but prefers xbawks over the dualcock 5?
>>100173125>controller big enough to be the fucking game consolewhat the fuck where they thinking?
>>100172501Based
>>100172628then why is the right stick in the "wrong" position xbot
Dual shock 3
>>100191051Is that some kind of torture device ?
This is the GOAT setup.Elite II and an OEM chatpad. You can conquer the world with this.Microsoft let me down in two ways- Windows 11 and it discontinued the best chatpad on the market. Jelly?
>>100192464everything is better with boobsWhy are you gay?
>>100179953holy braindead tell me you haven't played a fighting game without telling me you haven't played a fighting game no more (you)'s for this anon
I CANT BREEF
>>100172682People who say this are shit posting, it feels like cheap plastic and at the same time the bottoms of the controller feel like you could blunt force someone over the head with it I bought mine when steam was selling them for $5
>>100175259The right analog stick is a bad fit for aiming in FPS games.Modern control schemes have you only occasionally use the stick for snap turning with gyro taking over for your controls most of the rest of the time.Games that use the right analog stick for fine input either hold your hand extensively, and/or they end up balancing the load between both analog sticks so that you don't have to think about using more than one analog stick at a time.>>100193961Due to a lot of marketing. The FPS genre has been effectively ruined to cater to a flawed input method.
>>100172493If only M$ didn't cheapen out on the hardware parts quality I would have continued to use their controller.
>>100198723Because the face buttons are more important than the right stick in most games, except FPS (which you shouldn't be playing with a controller)
>>100172493This combined with an MMO mouse.
>>100172493Neither one of those
