>>100371435
cough syrup pos?

How Iavcepted the fact that vidos are the real endgame, different colours different tuning at a cheap price, can mod and rehouse to sound better.

iems for listening in the car post shooting up a bunch of mafia members while you bleed out in a parking lot or in short, for a real human bean?

>>100368098
some of IEMs are actual monitors with good isolation and sterile neutral sound, they're often unvented and therefore BA-based, custom-molded monitors such as Ultimate Ears and triple-flange Etymotic bullets are prime examples of those
with time the term "IEM" degraded into earphones that want to be monitors to be more cool and appear professional because it's easier to sell them if you tell a customer that they're not normal earphones, they're monitors, this way the customer feels like a member of the elite, but in reality most of so-called IEMs are unsuitable for professional monitoring and in the end of the day they are indeed normal earphones
here we call them pos, which can mean perfection of sound or piece of shit depending on whether you like a particular set or not

>>100372010
I prefer calling mine the Paragon of Sonority

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>>100372010
>utlimate ears
>neutral
iems were never neutral, etymotic is the exception

What is the current non-vented fotm pos tuned to harman/vdsf? Or just any non-vented fotm pos in general that can be EQd in bass without getting 30% THD?

>>100371435
>• EPZ Q1 Pro (Harman) - $35
>• TRN Conch (bright V) - $35
Which one has better mids? Are there any alternatives?

>>100372099
mine is Precision of Sonics, as I like my surgical techs

>>100371435
>4U
>4 looks like Russian "ch"
>pronounced as "chu"

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>>100371479
I'll have to take your word for it, might be on my next order.

Just recieved Snow lotus 1.0. what striked me at first was that they're very warm, laid-back. They're definitely not bad, my aeolian bells have noticeably more detail, but also a less warm sound signature. Snow lotus are very light fun earbuds, cable seems fine, 64ohm runs fine on my phone.

>>100372537
how are the TECHS?

>>100372562
Not sure if i'm the right guy to ask, spatial distance and location are .. present? is it good? Probably. I can somewhat tell where instruments come from vertically or horizontally.

I'm more a casual listener and wouldn't say i have any analytical skills. So take it all with a grain of salt.

>>100372823
iems are like that, as long as it dont sound congested its fine really

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Bros I love everything about my hexa but I only wish it had like 10% more bass
One of the few iems that I can keep in for hours with a perfect seal, and I love how they fucking RUMBLE with percussion even at very low volumes. it's such a cool feeling, been using these since I snagged them during the last chinkshit sale (~60 bucks) and it just never gets old.
It's cool that there's "direction" to instruments too, are these the so called techs you guys keep bellyaching about?
Anyone got any eq filter suggestions to bump up the bass a bit?

>>100373044

Filter 1: ON PK Fc 20 Hz Gain 10 dB Q 1
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 50 Hz Gain 10 dB Q 0.5

>>100373107
based
>>100373044
it's actually not called "bellyaching" but "Bellsing"

>>100373107
what are the code tags for this formating again?

>>100373181
>code
exactly this

>>100373187
kek

>>100373107
No pre cut for that?

>>100373718
preamp is optional if you want to crunchmaxx, otherwise use -18db

>>100371435
Why does she wear the mask?

>>100373931
rona is still out there in manchuria

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do not check your hearing with the tone generator. worst mistake of my life. i did not know my left ear was so deaf

>>100373979
Have you tried cleaning it with peroxide.

>>100374000
i went to the ENT and they said it looked normal. should i still clean it?

>>100374040
Then no. It's over.

>>100373931
Predictive programming anon rona is comming back.

>>100373931
it's a realdoll or some shit the weird ears give it away but they hide the rest of its face because that's enough to make it look kinda like a person

>>100373931
no one cared who she was until she put on the mask

>>100374232
If I take that off, will she die?

Since there's not a /hpg/ going on right now, and I don't wanna waste a spot on the catalog for a single question.... Just got a set of m1070's for $150. How did I do?

>>100374243
>no graphs
Good luck.

HEXA MOONDROPPED FOR THE THIRD TIME
holy fucking kek, turdear is a joke, at least mids BA are wired correctly this time so I can get a general gist of what it sounds like and it indeed sounds very nice, but it's broken nonetheless, so I have to return it

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>>100372099
The wankers, zeros, chus and other many many other 1DDs are Perpertually Outdated Stereo.

>>100373979
try it with headpos and other iems as well, you might just have fucked up anatomy that's causing issues with your iem
>>100374359
how was it fucked up this time?

>>100374408
just treble BA (or BAs, there's a double unit) broken or not wired, probably the latter, traditionally for TE in the right earpiece, the one with Truthear©®™ logo

>>100374376
Meme drivers are pinnacle of shit. 1DD is the only viable config.

>>100374470
this
hybrids are fun, all bas are boring, but a very well tuned single dd will always have you coming back and asking for something better.

>>100374470
Poorfag Obsessive Struggling

>>100374376
you're not wrong, they're not cool new techs like DLC, Lithium-Magnesium or even beryllium that slowly kills you but sounds good
>>100374470
you're not wrong either

>>100374376
>Stereo
If your lucky enough to get a cable that isn't broken on one side kek.

>>100372966
Yeah doesn't really sound congested. Also just unboxed temperament x10's. sounds very nice! also surprised it weighs not a lot either. my bells are way heavier.

listening to this for fun:

https://youtu.be/IKrcuZnO934?si=xJes-cUjRwwma_iW

review on the x10's who can explain it better than i do:

https://youtu.be/oadx1BX20So?si=mTST5Cc99W43CBId

>>100374359
Are you buying iems on Amazon? Don't do that. They never ship new.

What do you guys think about CA Andromeda?

>>100374929
perfection of shit

artti t10 arrived.
amazingly good, heard things i could never hear from iems before. they could sell these for $300, yet they're $50.

What's the new shiny poorfag fotm? I only want them for work

>>100374929
Endgame tuning (for me) but unfortunately it's all BAs so the whole graph could be a lie.

>>100375050
planars are indeed great, while they're still not quite there in terms of tonality (no planar tuned to 5128 diffuse field with room curve), they make it up with sheer T E C H S

>>100375050
>planar pos
>price as a metric
retard.

>>100375361
>no planar tuned to 5128 diffuse field with room curve
Thank God

>>100375342
graphs are bullshit in the first place due to the retarded standard of matching insertion depth by making ear canal peak always at 8kHz, while many pos are designed for deep insertion and the peak is supposed to be at much higher frequency, the prime example are the etymotics that sound nothing like their graphs but more like a diffuse field with slight room curve, completely neutral
it doesn't help for sure that there's no better method of matching insertion depth, so we're stuck with retarded measurements

>>100375452
enjoy your W-shape (it's not bad though, actually enjoyable)

>>100375521
>graphs are bullshit
skill issue lmao

>>100375554
it's a fundamental issue of the current method of making graphs, skills can help but not completely, there will always be a considerable error margin

>>100375591
you shouldn't be using anything above 3khz anyway, not sure why people still focus on insertion depth and ear tip changes when it just isn't going to be accurate even if they match your context

>>100375630
the bass also suffers from inadequate insertion depth, the whole graph looks displaced and all over the place

>>100375658
show me one example of significant changes under 3khz because of insertion depth
and no etymotics, those cause changes at around 3khz because of canal tf

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>>100375521
Etymotics are an extreme example of a deep insertion iem. When I graph casual iems like TRN Conch, that resonant peak isn't completely off from my own ears (which I hear a sharp peak @11khz).

>>100375521
>while many pos are designed for deep insertion
Pretty much just etymotic. Everything else is designed for shallower insertion.

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Are there any TWS that are sub 40 dollars with good ANC or should I just give up on ANC with IEMs/Earbuds?

>>100375993
>Are there any TWS that are sub 40 dollars
many
>with good ANC
none

>>100375993
>Are there any TWS
many
>with good ANC
none

What do I get if I want as much comfort as possible? Is TWS the way or do I get wired? What shape? Are all these questions irrelevant because just like the sound of IEMs it's all based on personal anatomy?

>>100375993
Look at scarbir.com
You should be able to sort by anc quality

>>100376184
Anatomy and finding the right ear tips for your ear shape both play a large role, that said their are iems which are definitely more comfortable than others for most people.

Should I get a quadelix 5k or a cumdrop phone? Having a dongle plugged onto my phone makes me wary the port will become loose or something.

>>100375993
>Are there any TWS
>with good ANC
yes
>sub 40 dollars
no

>>100376184
>TWS
+ANC and transparency modes (if applicable)
+no cable
+often built-in EQ with a few presets
-lower sound quality (lossy codecs, lossless codecs become lossy at higher bitrates)
-high latency
-higher price for a worse sounding kit compared to IEMs
-bluetooth is not perfectly stable
-the driver must be small enough to make space for the battery
-you have to remember to charge its batteries
-the batteries will eventually die and in many cases it means death of your earphones, nobody will buy it from you, it will never become a vintage, just a piece of electrojunk, very few twshit are repairable

>IEM
+perfection of sound (pos), completely lossless
+no limits in regard to drivers choice
+much better price/performance ratio
+zero latency on a headphone jack
+no batteries to worry about
+many of them can last long, maybe even outlast you, no obvious weakest link such as battery
+you can often get good enough passive noise isolation
+/-no built-in EQ, but you can get an USB-C cable with one equipped, though it can raise latency
-no ANC or transparency mode
-the cable gets in the way
-many cables generate audible microphonics

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>>100373979
btw if you guys are testing your hearing you cant play both channels at once, you have to find a way to switch between each channels quickly

>>100376337
that's exactly why i chose qudelix, i've had usb-c ports fail on phones before so the idea of having a cable hanging out of it while you carry it around in your pocket freaks me out

For anyone that wants to pitch in a bit for the EQ guide (now in the OP), I'd like some help with preference targets and reference curves. A few: IEF 2020/2023, HarmanIE, Soundguys (5128 one), Etymotic, UsoundV1, and more.

Here's a part of JM-1 for reference.

The JM-1 curve is similar to the DF + tilt signature, but a distinct difference being that instead of relying on a specific measurement rig's HRTF, it uses the canal transfer function of that specific rig, combined with the contributions from a population average pinna. It is also based on the ITU-T P.57 Type 4.3 rig, and should therefore result in a more accurate DFHRTF both in terms of canal response and outer ear response.

>>100376870
Holy shit, he actually did it

>>100373770
>-18db
Nigger what the fuck

>Budget
Below 40, cheaper the better
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
Music, games, movies, either a dongle DAC, phone or laptop. Will be traveling with them often but also just using them in a room.
>Frequency response preference (basshead, female vocal, treble sensitive, etc.)
Prefer clearer vocals
Honestly don't care too much about the best audio quality. Have heard a lot of different iems at different prices and yes there is a difference but people make it sound like they're worlds away when it's probably close to 5-10%. Just looking for something comfy that's good to wear for extended periods of time.

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I'll be redeeming the next CCA pos!

Recommend me some BT earbuds under $40 /iemg/. I'm looking at Tozo's right now.

Looking for some very cheap over the ear or on ear headphones, wireless if possible for PC use, untested stuff welcome.
>Budget
no budget, must be as cheap as possible, preferably something no one here has tested, more than one suggestion welcome
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
straight to PC motherboard (3.5) mostly for watching videos.
>Frequency response preference (basshead, female vocal, treble sensitive, etc.)
idc
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

>>100377412
good lord how embarrassing. and I mean art quality

>>100377412
>not a loli

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>>100377412
gross

>cat ears
>regular ears
how are these retards still in business is beyond me

>>100371435
Does 4U not have a waifu on the box?
Preorder cancelled.

Welp, I did it and bought some cheap shit. Time to plug them into my Schiit and see how they sound.

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>>100378115
Aaaaand I forgot picrel

>>100378151
Pretty good honestly. I wish i had bouht this one, but i bought the gold verison and it's looks and feels a bit weird irl.

>>100378170
fucking retard

>>100378304
damn bro

>>100378170
The gold version was just too tacky for my taste. Besides, I want want to see my dragons. These things have some heft, they thicc!

>>100378151
I love chick boxes, man. Unboxing a new pos feels nicer than using the pos.

>>100371435
she's a big girl

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>>100378696
I'm a poorfag. My daily desk drivers at at-m40x's, which sound great for the money. Wanted something decent but portable and it was either the z300's or Kiwi Cadenzas. I'm also impatient and since Amazon wouldn't give me next day delivery on the Kiwis, I chose the z300's. Built quality wise, they seem solid. Getting reading to sit down at my desk, fire up Peace, and plug them into my Magni+.
>>100378722
>for u
Chkd

>>100378807
JFC my autocorrect on this fucking phone is horrendous. That or it's the Eagle Rare. It's day off, don't judge me. My apologies.

yo weirdos into ear dildos, where's /hpg/??

>>100378989
dead, modtrannies 41%'d themselves

Does a KZ 2pin cable fit on a QDC iem?

>>100378989
Dunno. But need to get my m40x's out to compare to >>100378151. These little fuckers sound amazing, without any EQ'ing so far.

Will a 4.4 cable help me lose my hearing sooner or should I invest that money into a bigger amp?

>>100379092
I don't think so? I was looking into higher end cables for >>100378151 earlier. This is the first pair of IEMs I've ever owned with a detachable cable. I know there's 2 pin, recessed 2 pin, MMCX and QDC.

>>100377421
I bought the tozo nc7, they fell out so often that one ANC mic died which caused it to full power vibrate. They denied warranty coverage. Bought some random “Jul” rebadge for $10 on Amazon that were indistinguishable in quality.

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is it true that vido sound signature change between colors? or is that something from the old vidos? someone with more than one vido color can answer that?

>>100379261
that claim was based on one testimony. much more likely that every vido is using the same driver, but the measurements are wrong (earbuds are extremely susceptible to positional variance)

>>100379221
Thanks anon. I don't even really care about ANC. Was eyeballing the t21, but read a few comments elsewhere the t6's were better.

>>100379261
no, he's smoking that good polyesterene.
they're all the same.

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>>100372112
>non-vented
Floaudio Bluelover, Hisenior T4, Kiwi Ears Orchestra Lite

>>100375117
>poorfag fotm
Tanchjim ONE DSP, TRN Conch, EPZ Q1 Pro

>>100377105
>Prefer clearer vocals
EPZ Q1 Pro. EPZ Official Store on Aliexpress is the cheapest and official store

>>100379092
>Does a KZ 2pin cable fit on a QDC iem?
Yes. KZ uses QDC connection. This newfaggot still doesn't get it even though I've repeated myself several times: BLON IEMs do NOT use QDC connection, it is different with a sharper edge outer molding like TFZ connection, whereas QDC is a smoother-edged oblong outer molding. They are not cross compatible

>>100379261
>someone with more than one vido color can answer that?
Like other anons imply, it's basically a crapshoot. From the "manufacturers," there is already a discrepancy as far as unit consistency, which will be all over the place. Additional confounding factors of retards with shit ears giving subjective placebo impressions, inconsistent fitment of earbud form factor, lack of consistent graphs, etc.

>>100380287
why do they keep using women as models when we know women have small brains and can't hear as well as men

Tanchjim 4U price? it does look neither good nor competitive if above $50 desu

>>100372193
>Which one has better mids? Are there any alternatives?
"Better," is not an accurate enough descriptor. Q1 Pro will have "cleaner," mids due to less mid bass bloat. Q1 Pro alternative would be Celest Wyvern which has less treble energy. For Conch, Tinhifi C2 is an alt, but will be without the bountiful accessories included with the Conch, and C2 is arguably a less ergonomic shell with some sharp edges. Simgot EW200 is also an alt to Conch, again without the accessories, similar shell design and fit (little reason to pay the higher price tag)

Is Aful MagicOne good or aful?

>>100380437
reports say $70
its over for transjim sistas...

>>100372112
Also EPZ 530. None are tuned to whatever gay target you want but you're saying you're going to EQ anyways so figure it out

>>100380476
meh, no reason to buy in terms of sound.

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>>100380287 #
>This newfaggot still doesn't get it even though I've repeated myself several times: BLON IEMs do NOT use QDC connection.
I'm >>100378151 (You) # >>100379158 (You) # and have no fucking idea what your talking about. I've never once asked, nor debated, this topic. This is the first set any type of "earbud" I've owned in over thirty years, and have never owned any in-ear type with detachable cable ever.

Gaming is comfier with headphones than iems

>>100380540
Wrong.

>>100380537
k well some faggot has been incessantly asking every thread about it. sorry i confused u two morons

>>100380476
awful. for dumb pos collectors

>>100380540
cool subjective take. my opinion is the exact opposite

cheapest all-BA pos? I want to try one of those

>>100377412
Kek, AI generated shit and not even the good shit.

>>100380666
Floaudio Bluelover
Tingker pos, other floaudio with 1ba too. both are sister brands to Audiosense, and are basically copies of their lineup with lesser-quality BAs but with similar tuning targets

>>100380575
>some faggot has been incessantly asking every thread about it.
No harm no foul anon. At least I learned something. Would you happen to know what connection the z300s use, or is it really proprietary?

>>100380747
is it any good?

>>100378151
>collab shit
ffs, quit giving money to these scammers.

>>100381193
they're interesting. i have bluelover, sub-bass focused W-shape. kinda dark and "under water" when you first listen to them, allow for the brain burn-in and they sound fairly detailed and ok. a handful of people like the t800 as a bigger overall v-shape, but it's got a weird black hole at ~7k. FYI Floaudio Bluelover = Audiosense DT600, Tingker H16 = Audiosense T800 (FR graph-wise), unsure if any other models correlate. they respond to impedance adapters to if you want to mess around with that. also, you're going to encounter sealed BA pos phenomena, which some people don't mind and some people really mind. foam tips or tang sancais can somewhat help alleviate pressure build-up

>>100381901
I just bought QKZ x HBB and Zero 2.

>>100382351
hello sir

>>100381901
Name 20 bad collab IEM.

>>100382427
kz alone could probably cover that

>>100382427
it's literally an extortion scheme that's making every IEM more expensive and reduces choices over the long term.
>>100382351
that's why your breath smells of semen.

>>100382511
>source: dude, trust me

>>100382406
>>100382549
Yeah yeah whatever. I'm not buying EA500LM

>>100382895
shill.
f cringicle.

>>100382968
My bad for not having a hate boner for Youtubers I don't even watch

>being this obsessed with retard reviewers
wtf happened here

>>100383021
its cope from people who got scammed, very sad, many such cases

>>100382995
then stop shilling for them.

Post cheap IEMs with the cutest anime girl box arts!

>>100383021
>wtf happened here
Oh noes!
We don't want to give money to fucking scammers who are jacking up prices of IEMs and are destroying the hobby while making tons of cash.
It's not like we have a choice anymore. They keep pushing this shit into our faces.
Time to fight back by boycotting this shit, not giving them our money, and by letting companies know why they're being boycotted.

>boycott
holy shit you guys are embarassing lmao

>>100383125
bump

Collab BDS brand list:
Moondrop
7Hz
Dunu
Kiwi Ears
Tangzu
LetShuoer
Truthear
Fiio
Seeaudio
Fearless
KZ
QKZ
Tripowin
Blon
Kinera
Thieaudio
Ziigaat
Raptgo
Yanyin
Do not buy from these brands. They are part of eceleb faggots' master plan to ruin IEMs.

>>100383125
All I did was mention that I bought them.

>>100383198
BASED
A
S
E
D

>>100383198
Aful bros, we can't stop winning.

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>>100383133

>>100383198
>transjim
>awful
is the chifi era over bros??

>>100383133
The answer is always Chu 2.

are any of those wireless adapters for iem's any good? looking for one under $50

>>100384199
not really no

>>100383198
I look forward to the future of being forced to pay 5-10% more for every pos because HBB or some other faggot has their name attached to it

>>100383198
tanchsistas, just know that ill always be linked up with my Queen Asano Tenki, and that no collab or fucked up pos (4U) will break what we have.

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My Origin just arrived. I much prefer these over the EA500LM on vocal reproduction. I have gone to nano and ayaka ohashi's concert and these sound the closest to their live vocals. EA500LM is too "thin" and "glassy" sounding.

>>100384864
>moondropped shartman pos
>fotm tinnitus simulator shillgot
>retard degenerate transjim supporter
good fucking god, you have horrible taste

>>100384797
>>100384864
tanchChads stay winning. faith and loyalty to the one true waifu is richly rewarded

>>100384864
>too "thin" and "glassy" sounding.
those are the T E C H S bro
origin is mudbass + energetic mids and treble, made for stunted and special ed kids and normies.

>>100384864
The only DDchad options worth buying at each price point are Conch, EA500LM, and Origins.
Everybody else buying fucked up pos stay seething.

>>100384954
DD retards will say that you only need 1DD for premium sound quality, and then separate their choices by price lmao
delusional retards are the funniest

>>100384980
Tell me, is your cope minimum phase?

>>100385009
my pos always minimum phase
and yes, my pos is Hesuvi'd too

>>100385040
>hesuvi
*barfs*

>>100385045
>not using kino EAC individual HRTF synthesis with AI combined with room virtualization and separate EQ for 7.1 channel signal
NGMI BUDDY, PACK YOUR BAGS !

>>100385067
keep your weird tranny software away from me

>>100385076
I accept your concession :)

>>100385085
ywnbaw

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uuuhhhhh, what are we thinking bros??

Anyone got any reccs for wireless buds that I can wear with my motorcycle helmet on? They need to sit deep/flush in the ear otherwise they will just get knocked out by the padding or it will be extremely uncomfortable. Also they should probably be able to isolate welI and/or have good noise cancelling for the wind noise. I don't really think something like that exists but maybe someone here knows some shit.

>>100385349
no

>want wireless earbuds that sound okay/good for bed
>they have mics
>they have phone apps
>they have touch features so if i lie on side they do stupid shit

how do you filter out all the idiotic price inflating random fucking dogshit they add on to these without getting the $30 chinese shit

>>100385379
welp, thought I'd ask.

>>100385349
Samsung buds 2 pro sit tight in the ear but the helmet probably presses on it

>>100385095
jarvis, now normalize it at 2.5k

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>>100385744
wtf were you thinking

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>>100385767
it is now more apparent that Origin has more techs as compared to zimgott ew500

>>100384784
NOOOO I CAN'T AFFORD $2 MORE ON THIS $18 IEM CHANG HELP I NEED MORE COUPONS

>>100385934
this but unironically

>>100385934
It hurts knowing that even something as little as 1 cent goes to those faggots' wallets.

>>100383198
>no Aful
>no Simgot
I'm still winning

This guide has me creating flow charts, I fucking hate this.
I tried finishing in a week, and it's been almost 2 now.

>>100385934
>implying the collab spam is contained to $20 pos
>implying I want to give money to any of you subhumans

>>100385958
>mad at collab pumpers for getting 1 extra cent
>not even this mad at his own parents for raising a retard

I only buy Akros collabs

>>100386087
>implying

>>100386038
make the best guide possible even if it takes another

>>100386092
tony would never

>>100386154
>doesn't know
who's telling him?

>>100386140
It's around 10k words and there's still around half of it left to do. Then proofreading, formatting, editing, etc.
I should have started it when I said so last year lol

>>100386290
just eq by ear desu, what's there to write about

>>100386309
Don't worry bro, you're exactly the reason why I'm writing one.

>>100386309
>just practice culinary by tongue desu, whats there to write about it
????

>>100386315
we'll see, it better not be target curve autism with 0.1db filters

>>100386331
>target curve autism with 0.1db filters
I'm not retarded. I have a prompt dedicated to EQ minimalism.

"In general, EQ should be used in a 'minimalist' way. What this means is that optimally, an EQ preset should have as little filters as possible, and for which each filter should optimally have low gain and Q values. Aiming for few but broad changes is a good rule of thumb."

>>100386355
this is also stupid, unused filters are wasted filters

>>100386364
This is at the very beginning and for beginners, do not worry, treble adjustments are also considered.
>unused filters are wasted filters
The end result is all that matters. If there are unused filters, then so be it.

>>100386364
>t. Chunigger

>>100386392
the technique is to start out with a set of 30 alternating pattern of +10db/-10db filters and work from there. it's pretty advanced, you wouldn't get it

>be chuzo
>Filter 18: 0.1dB, Q = 7

>>100386412
my fucking sides

>>100386403
Or just buy something decently tuned so all you need to do is adjust ear gain and flatten your canal resonance.

>>100386465
well tuned pos have ZERO techs tho

>>100386038
Step 1: remember to EQ.
>>100386491
Techs are completely unrelated to tuning.

>>100386364
Don't let this man open wavelet EQs.

>>100386540
kek, how many are there? 2048 or something right?
so many fucking filters just for shartman, what a shame

>>100386513
Techs come from the complexity of the driver, the more capable it is at resoluting details, the more difficult it gets to tune it properly. This is why cheaper pos are well tuned but lack the techs. Meanwhile the pricier pos gets, the better techs it bring and therefore lack of proper tuning.

>>100386616
>dichotomy of techs and tuning
a tale as old as time
there's a reason why the variations are so damn techy while the tuning can buckle the knees of any strongman.

>>100386640
And that reason is the price.
>>100386616
The real reason expensive pos is poorly tuned is because it's a scam. More drivers are easier to tune than one.

>>100386661
i can smell the poverty coming from this post

>>100386661
so do you prefer living in the slums or on the streets?

>>100386687
If you can smell something from your monitor then it's actually your chair.

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>>100383133
Ok

>7Hz Zero
>Sexu Wankers
>Epz Q1 Pro
>Celeste Wyvern Pro

holy shit bros my budget pos collection has peaked with these
are there any new releases to look forward to?
i listen to:
>weeb shit with a lot of female vocals
>the shit takayan makes
>hentai
>porn ASMR

>>100387449
>still no conch
Return home to the sea, dear child of the currents.

>>100383460
Her hck is nice.

>>100387524
my ears are doable and can hear past 17k
i donnt need the conch

>>100373931
In the woods no less. Some kind of 4d virtue signaling?

>>100374376
when cartoon kids aren't enough - add feet.

>>100384864
>EA500LM is too "thin" and "glassy" sounding.
a matter of preference, its air is significantly boosted which gives brilliance, clarity and openness to the sound, but also a hint of clinical character which can make or break it and provided you even hear these frequencies well enough, it can be fatiguing
aside from it and the dip in lower mids it's very well tuned, jizzaudio's graph got it right, just remember that 10k dip is a measurement error along with some peaks

>>100387616
5k is not air.

>>100387608
Monarch 1 > monarch 2 > monarch 3.

>>100386513
>Techs are completely unrelated to tuning.
wrong, there is a clear techs-tonality connection, auditory masking is a real thing and I strongly recommend you to read about it, all kinds of issues can be fixed or introduced simply by changing tonality, such as perceived speed of certain frequencies which affects sound detail level (i.e. you can fix pillowy midbass), soundstage, imaging and other technical stuff
of course you're limited if you use a cheap pu tupperware lid and the better the driver and shell are, the better techs, but saying that tonality and techs are completely unrelated to each other is blatantly false

>>100387449
>weeb shit
throw some more bucks on the LM and call it endgame

>>100387632
the gold nozzle significantly reduces it

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>>100387741
>there is a clear techs-tonality connection
Wrong.

If techs were related to tonality then it would just be called tonality. The entire argument is self-defeating. We know that sound is just the tonality but the reviewers gotta justify their existence somehow.

tonality is what makes my balls rumble

techs = how much attention you're paying to the song

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I finally got my bassy kilopos, which was the only thing I was missing. I'm sad the tuning is more U12t than U18s but I'd rather slap a quick EQ on it than deal with sketchy Singaporean QC. Not sure what's next, maybe a tribrid or something but I hate those stupid sonion ESTs. If some company can fix planar channel matching I'll get another one of those.
Thermonuclear take: techs is comfort.

THD = TOTAL HARMONIC DEATH

>>100387951
Cold take, bad fit can absolutely make IEMs not sound like they graph, for example the "fast" BA bass(there's literally just less bass because of the fit).

>>100387874
>>100387911
peak binary thinking, either the techs are completely a result of tonality or completely unrelated to tonality and the latter is the case, right? that's what retard could think, creating a false dilemma out ot two only options his dumb brain can fathom and standing by one side, just like democrat vs republican voters cattle
it's more complex than that, it's indeed possible, even certain, that extremely well refined DLC driver will outmatch a normal cheap PU driver in techs with similar tonality by a long shot, same with well-made vs shitty shell with various levels of matching against your individual ear canal anatomy and let's not even get into HRTF topic, but religiously believing that techs of a certain IEM are set in stone and can never be improved with EQ is just as dumb as a belief that you can make Monarch Mk2 out of Chu 2, you can improve a set's overall sound quality within certain bounds by EQing it

>>100387997
That is true but not what I'm talking about. If an IEM is comfortable enough to disappear in your ears, it more easily creates the illusion of spaciousness since your brain is less aware of the fact that there are things jammed into your ears producing sound. Therefore, things like cable microphonics also contribute to techs. In the future it may be possible to manipulate techs by controlling which part of your ears an IEM touches.

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>>100388028
You're operating on the basis defined by crinacle, don't get mad when you get quoted him back.
>but religiously believing that techs of a certain IEM are set in stone and can never be improved with EQ
Techs can't be improved with EQ because they don't exist. All psychoacoustic effects are just the FR at the eardrum + the state of your mind, if you believe something sounds holographic it will sound holographic. If the driver produces the same FR at the eardrum, with or without EQ, then it's the same driver, doesn't matter if one is made of paper and the other is from beryllium.
>you can make Monarch Mk2 out of Chu 2,
You can always do better than BA pos.

>>100388044
Then why those massive blobs of plastic have higher "techs" than lightweight budget IEMs.

>>100388145
If you mean gigantic hollow shell pos they are worse than budget IEMs.

>>100388145
And if microphonics contribute to techs then TWS are tech monsters lmao.

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the actual truthnuke is that techs comes from better music taste (mine)

>>100388094
And I don't mean crin invented techs, he just aggregated existing memes into one word, techs. You can try finding those individual memes in the FR but techs are explicitly defined as not being the FR. Good channel matching and treble extension will undoubtedly contribute to positional accuracy for example.

>>100388160
TWS all have shit comfort, strange fit and audible imperfections, KSC35BT are techier than all of them.

Once again asking for eq to bump up the bass on hexa just a bit without messing with anything else

>>100388240
Low shelf, 100Hz, adjust gain by taste.

>>100388028
It is well known in the audiophile community that EQ destroys techs.

I miss my old Soundbuds Verve, it was a good all rounder and durable thing. It lasted 4 years of abuse, just broken cable near the jack, the monitors were still fine. Should have saved the pair for recabling.
Got Tanchjim One as replacement and it's not as satisfying as I thought it would. Less punchy bass, vocal isn't as forward, treble isn't as clear. Less separation too, I liked hearing the instrumental details.
Maybe it's nostalgia talking and my ears will adjust in time but goddamn this hobby is so subjective. What a rabbit hole.

>Budget
Give options at $50, $100 and $150 USD

>Intended use (media, source, environment)
Mostly used for calls and maybe music during work

>Frequency response preference (basshead, female vocal, treble sensitive, etc.)
Female vocals, orchestrals. Generally prefer the high end (I liked the AKG K701)

>Past gear and your thoughts on them
Andromeda 2020 - my favourite of my IEMs
Blessing2 - Close to the Andromeda but they're uncomfortable as fuck
Hexa - Would wear them more if they didn't have such a shit shape

>>100388618
Forgot to add, would prefer it to be a TWS pair

If even on lowest volume a source is too loud, would buying a IEM with 17db less sensitivity make a noticeable difference?

>>100388618
unironically cca duo if you want a super comfortable pos that matches your preference

>>100388836
Yes but you should just get a better source.

>>100388836
You can simply reduce the volume in APO or if you didn't fall for the multiple drivers meme you can use an impedance adapter.

>>100387649
CKLVX>

>>100380485
>similar shell to chu 2
>mediocre looking FR from trans themselves
>single DD with shitty tuning “button” thing which seems to only affect subbass extension nothing else
DOA

>>100388307
It is well known that audiopedos don't know how EQ works

I need a portable music player, w/out fancy touchscreens. Just need a small device with buttons and maybe a lcd screen like nokia 3310

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>>100391855
ps. something similar to the nw-s205f but which supports more formats and which isn't crap

>>100388240
how to get a hexa that is not broken?

>>100390791
this, the mere mentioning of the EQ is enough to make them sneed and write long essays full of insults, it's clear that they can't EQ correctly and consider it as an all-corrupting creation of the Devil himself

>>100392588
Not that I would ever make something like this my default listening experience but…just for shiggles if you’ve never got the itch to crank up the bass to absurd levels, you’re either a liar or a cuck.

>>100393078
Oh, I spent plenty of time testing the Harman targets. I didn't like them. They're muffled.

>>100393111
Lmao oh brother... Who's gonna tell him?

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>Lmao oh brother... Who's gonna tell him?

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>>100392588
Bassheads BTFO

>>100393231
Still almost 5 dB too much bass.

>>100393231
You bought a pos with rolled off treble retard. That's why the bass hurts your tranny ears.

>>100391855
doesn't exist

do you ever unplug your IEM from the pc?

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Endgame material.
Basslets BTFO, YNBAW.

>>100393469
:<

Are there any proofs of CCA Trio or CCA Rhapsody being spoiled due to silent revisions?

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>>100384864
>>100384904
>>100384905
>>100384922
>>100384954
>>100387616
>>100385095
>>100385767
Imagine paying 3x moar for something so minor that you can EQ with a single 3dB point.

>>100393111
Harman in-ear target is too BRIGHT. Even for the 50 years old Amir sometimes. That's a certified hearing loss moment.

>>100393697
>shitgot ea500lm
imagine paying this much when the conch is half the price and has better accessories lmao

>>100387951
>64shit
are you a boomer?

>>100374359
What do you mean by wired correctly?
If the driver is connected out of phase, this does not mean that it distorts the sound. The human ear is not capable of distinguishing differences in phasing at frequencies above 200 Hz, even in theory. In practice, you won’t be able to do this even at 20Hz if we talk about real content, recordings, etc.
The main condition is that the phasing is the same in the left and right ears.

For example, all sorts of Truthear zeros, QKZ Khan etc also have drivers in different phases and this does not distort the sound in any way. This is part of the acoustic design

>>100393697
Especially when wankers are better than both even without EQ.

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>>100393231
Don't be gay. EQ like a man.

>>100393745
If only one driver of a multi-driver IEM is wired incorrectly then there will be a giant cancellation in the crossover region and should be immediately obvious.

>>100393679
Absolutely nobody cares enough about kz to buy the same pos twice so they can measure it again and see if kz managed to not fuck it up

>>100393746
nice cope

>>100393849
If one driver wired "incorrectly" symmetrically, in both the left and right headphones, the only thing you will hear is a change in the frequency response compared to the “correct” wiring. In the case of the hexa and its smooth fr graph, this is obviously part of the tuning

>>100393992
>headphones
earbuds*

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>>100393992
If ONE driver is wired incorrectly in both channels you'll have pic related in both channels.

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>>100393746
Is there a single 1DD pos at which simzo did not get mad?

>>100393740
In a few years I will be.

>>100394109
Getting mad is his job. Just point and laugh.

>>100394120
Well, that explains it. Only a boomer would pay all that money for something that's beaten by an $90 IEM.

>>100371435
what is the benefit of carrying a PMP as opposed to listening off your phone. Do they have some ability to play at a higher quality

Recommend me some cheapo IEMs that are either have a small shell (like Moondrop Chu) or bullet-types.

I like Tanchjim Tanya, but the vents make them unlistenable.
The Chu had a good fit, but the cable is shit.
EPZ Q1 are a bit too big for me which makes them a chore to put in my ears, not to mention the tip-rolling.

Soundwise, they just need:
>at least Harman level of bass (or close enough)
>no more than Harman level of highs, preferably lower

No DSP, please.

>>100394334
>it may demonstrably measure accurately - measurements typically aren't available for phones
>it may support parametric EQ (like if it can be Rockboxed) - it is literally impossible to do system-wide parametric EQ on an iPhone, and the parametric EQ solutions available for Android are not ideal

>>100394450
is this a night and day type of situation
can I find any of these in your average store like a walmart to try a comparison

>>100394434
chu 2 has a removable cable. If you already know chu fits you I'd just get those. Bullets are hell, don't bother.

>>100394310
Only a retard would pay $90 for something worse than free IEMs.

>>100394310
Which $90 IEM?

>>100394505
>is this a night and day type of situation
Properly applied parametric equalization can be.

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>>100393881
I mean judging by FR only and consindering their price they are pretty good. We all know this KZ drama around Cringeacle having spotted only one model changing its quality due to silent revision. But are there any other proofs of KZ selling low quality shit besides rumors?

>>100394047
No, you will get a different graph if another driver intersects with the inverted one in phase (and alson inverted driver plays quieter than the main one). In the intersection area there will simply be an addition of waves, there will be a drop in volume which is visible on the frequency response.
This is clearly visible on the Hexa fr graph. There are no such dips

Anyone else have an issue with UAPP switching EQ presets whenever you switch off the app? It's getting annoying as hell and I'm planning to just use Poweramp from now on.

>>100394887
>are there any other proofs of KZ selling low quality shit besides rumors?
They aren't rumors. It is definitive that dozens of their older "hybrid" models are utter shams with BAs crammed far back into poorly designed shells scattered wherever, where only some of them (usually if the BA is in the nozzle) are functionally contributing to audible sound. Else, they are literally shoving drivers in shells with no purpose other than to sell them as high driver-count hybrids, when they are nothing of the sort and in no way comparable to the basic crossover design of typical 1DD+4BAs for example. Other scammery they are involved in are presenting dumb manufacturer graphs, where it's either completely false, or worked with their dumb +20 impedance rig. HBB PR2 was a disaster controversy: Early reviewer samples on squig were one style of tuning, decent. But after a few hundred units sold (thousands sold in the first few weeks, it was a hype train for cheap planar), every unit afterwards was sold without a filter and much greater, inconsistent treble response. CRA, one of the beloved older 1DD models, was revised. Likely several other popular and old models do not sound like their "original" release either. This isn't some absolute indictment against them, they are a company with some history spanning years longer than many companies, it's only natural silent revisions / re-tunes would happen over time as they sunset older drivers, move onto different mesh filter screens on the nozzle, etc.

>>100395064
cont.
It's more their callous attitude towards the consumers buying their products where they unabashedly label them liars or "amateurs" and proclaim they've done nothing wrong in all of these instances. The fact is they have knowingly scammed the whole market for many years with fake driver configurations, and continue to do so with immensely popular selling products like the ZS10 Pro on Amazon. The drivers in a model like that are not working as they should be compared to any number of other three-way crossover 1+4s. This fundamental lack of delivering sincere audio products is the basis of why those who "know," despise KZ/CCA products. They're noob traps, poorfag money pits (buy 4x $15 pos over time!... (oh, you could have just got one solid thing instead of being on a perpetual hamster wheel of consooming shit releases)), coming from a disingenuous company who doesn't mind releasing crap at times or devolving. One step forward two steps back is often how their release cycle is.

>>100394887
And if you want my specific *speculation* about Rhapsody and Trio (yes, I own both), Rhapsody is the more genuine design, but still neither are up to the standard they should be. Rhapsody jumbles up several acoustic tubes together when they should not be, as well as having the treble BAs be further back in the shell which is contrary to typical design (treble BAs need to be closer to the nozzle than the mids or bass drivers). There are graph sample inconsistencies on squig of Rhapsody, where some units are notable shoutier in the upper mids with a more drastic scoop of the lower mids (not desirable) rather than the ideal smoother bass shelf down to linear mids. As for Trio, I have been suspect of the design from the jump, though I can't say it's utterly fake because an upcoming release like DaVinci takes a similar approach which is for 2DDs to handle sub bass and mid bass """independently.""" How exactly this kind of crossover would work I am suspect of, as there is little way in which they can realistically divide the lower bass frequencies in such a way that the drivers don't have significant overlap (not ideal). More likely Trio is acting more like a 2DD: 1 main bass driver, one driver handling the mids and highs, which again harkens back to their old roots of just wanting higher driver count for the clout and marketing, not because it has been purposefully figured out and designed. Anon recently posting the Castor's terrible 1kHz distortion hints that they are still releasing shoddy half-assed products, where such considerations for distortion, accurate crossovers, etc. are not in their mind. Money is on their mind, and they will pump out release after release to continue scraping in the bucks. All this to say though, I mean, if you can get two Trios for the price of one Truthear Zero blue, what do I think is honestly the better deal? Probably the Trios, in addition to their slight sound flexibility with working switches.

>>100393078
buy Hades as your secondary IEM
buy Hades
buy HADES
BUY HADES
B U Y H A D E S

>>100388921
>You can simply reduce the volume in APO
Just be careful not to blow your ears out after a windows update disables APO

>>100393745
it's a well known Hexa's manufacturing fault that sometimes chinks forget to attach wires to BAs at all in the right earpiece

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I'm just going to leave this one here...

>>100395361
pink cosmic gaped asshole with sparkle shitdust flying out. in other words, your situation after we meet up at canjam

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>>100395064
>>100395086
>>100395238
Thanks for the detailed answer. I genuinely appreciate it. I just couldn't find anything more detailed on KZ production other than your posts.

>>100395316
I feel bad for that one Anon who got chinked not once, not twice, but three different times over the Hexa, while my pair are stuffed away in a box because the tuning's mid.

>>100394612
the LM

>>100394941
Which part of "incorrectly" do you not understand. If it's wired incorrectly then it obviously doesn't graph like online graphs.

>>100395422
I'll probably order it the fourth time but from a different store, the returns policy is good so hopefully this time it'll be good at last

>Budget
200 bucks max, preferably not that much though

>Intended use (media, source, environment)
music and calls at the wagecage(open floor), gym, cycling
would be nice if it can handle multiple connections since i'd be switching between my work laptop and my phone constantly otherwise

>Frequency response preference (basshead, female vocal, treble sensitive, etc.)
bass, if i had to pick one

>Past gear and your thoughts on them
only ones of note were my pixel buds which were utter shit due to constant whine on the right bud whenever nothing was playing

>>100395485
Average BA fan.

>>100394887
KZ also famously did a collab with HBB that was supposed to be a 3dd iem with a crossover and the units that shipped only had 1dd connected

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>>100395312
When will he learn.

>>100395497
if u hab their phones, smasung buds or applel pods. else some snoyshit (linkbud s or xm). else some cheaper twshit because they are all disposable e-waste anyways

>>100395361
The not saint: actually owns IEMs.

>>100394887
There's a quadrillion of chink companies fighting for my attention and KZ lost that battle. Why buy trash drivers in cringe shells when literally everyone else figured that shit out. Maybe if your budget is like $3 lmao.

>>100395361
The not Saint, The Sinner, IEM's lottery Winner.

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>>100395532
Those are even listed in OP IEM paste as basshead HBB style ones for beggars.
>>100395713
>Maybe if your budget is like $3 lmao.
You mean the KZ EDX Lite? I ordered one pair to test just for lulz, now waiting for the arrival. I'm doing a decent EQ tuning. Probably they'll sound acceptable for 3$ after all.

>>100395827
meh probably fine, like $8 worth of good. that's quite a bit of bass bloat though. akros mentioned it in recent forgotten release comparison

>>100395461
lmfao

>>100395481
I already wrote to you that by ear there is no difference between a driver in phase and out of phase. An out-of-phase driver will subtract its volume from an in-phase driver. This is the same as using an equalizer to turn down the volume of a particular frequency range.

>>100395375
Most of the hard proof came out a few years back with the Crinacle and HBB collabs: ZEX Pro (CRN) and DQ6s. Delta Fyre and Hi-Fri on Facebook got around to busting open units and testing drivers. It became apparent that most of their multi-driver designs were shams, including those collabs. Since then afaik nobody has bothered to continue with such investigative testing (you get on their naughty list), and their release schedule is overwhelming. Really it just takes some moderate experience knowing proper IEM design and comparing it to some of their releases to know how inadequate / thrown together they typically are. They've made some strides in 3-D printing and acoustic tubes, but nonetheless the pattern of half-baked releases every week where you don't know what is shit and what is "eh decent when you find it on significant Aliexpress sale and the reviewer sample graphs aren't lies," continues.

>>100395868
edx lite are pretty good, just wish they were smaller
and $3 worth of techs is shit

new bread >>100396216

>>100396136
>An out-of-phase driver will subtract its volume from an in-phase driver
Yes and then this >>100394047 will happen. Mention online graphs made on correctly wired hexas one more time and I'll fucking kill you.

>>100387951
what model is this? TIA?

>>100396489
volur