ELECTRIC IS THE FUTU-ACK
>>101127041kek thats nothingwait until current gen EVs will start getting to EOL and we will have to dispose of that fucking lithiumenvirotardation is such an absolute fucking grift
>>101127041fires can and do happen anywhere, like the BP ocean fire
>>101127245I say we put it in drinking water like fluoride. Global mood stabilization.
>>101127041Fossil fuels are responsible for 150.000 deaths each year.
>>101127041Icecels belong in the gas chamber to be quite honest in my humble opinion
GAS IS THE FUTU-ACK
>>101127255does petrol self ignite upon contact with air?bc lithium does...its a fucking nightmare to deal with, properlyit creates metal fire.THE worst thing to put out.depending on the chemistry even sand might not do, because metal can extract oxygen from the fucking chemical bonds of sand leaving pure silica behind
Yea we know life sucks, death is the norm, bad things happen.If you don't get murdered or jailed by an oppressive regime, you just end up dying in an accident or from health problems.Isn't life hell? Those buddhists people were fr fr right no cap. Life do be suffering fr fr.
>>101127261yay>another chemical whose interactions with body chemistry are not fully understood...its all so tiresome
>>101127289errata:>pure silicai meant pure siliconand apparently sand would actually work with lithium.the problem with that method is the humidity of the sand.cf. water in a burning oilpan(aluminum steals oxygen if youre curious)
>>101127289>does petrol self ignite upon contact with air?>bc lithium does...and guess what happens if you pour water on it
>>101127369not sure im neither a chemist nor a firefighterbut i know youre really really really not supposed to do that
>>101127041I bet oil factories are never set a blaze and nobody died in them ever, right OP?
>>101127369burns to create lithium oxide and hydrogen gas, which is in turn flammable.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI__JY7pqOM
>>101127457wow.total cancer.why dont we use holzgas or some shit?or ethanol. if its good enough for drag racing, why dont we use ethanol from crops?
>>101127041b-battery bros
>>101127565wow.but at least its not co2, right?
>>101127278Does jet fuel melt galvanized square steel?
>>101127484Ever heard of 'petrodollar'?
>>101127041what are the other 5 firefighters doing?
>>101127656the sauds are in on it tooevery one is>>101127677phoneposting on 4keks, what else?
>>101127565You may not like it, but this is exactly how battery recycling plants operate at peak efficiency
>>101127586yes retard, that is why we need to use shit like titanium and inconel 718 in jet turbinesthe adaibatic buring temp is above 2200ºC and even the open flame is around 1000ºC, even if it doesnt melt steel is really weak heated, that is why we can hand forge it when is red hot and cant be used in any hot high strength application.this is one of the most retarded conspiracies out there
>>101127041This would never happen at a refinery. They have higher standards of safety than these dangerous lithium batteries.
>>101127786you have to forgive that anon, hes not aware retards like you don't watch or care about anything like facts so you wouldn't have seen the liquid steel pouring out in gushes from the explosives planted in the towers. there were no aircrafts by the way.
>>101127786>hur durr lets increase the content in oxygen but compressing the airntabut ur an illiterate
>>101127839>buti meant "by"i really dont know how i could have made that typo
>>101127851same way you created that entire post. lazyness and apathy and no second guessing yourself.
>>101127866>no second guessing yourself.why should i?its banal shit if you do happen to have any experience with real life application of theoretical info + some general knowledge about things in general
>>101127041Meanwhile fossil fuels kill the entire planet.
>>101127883ur retarded, full stop.no need to elaborate.
>>101127837i dont give a single fuck of what actually happened, i just want to stop the retardation than kersone doesnt melt steel when in fact that is why aircraft and rocket engines are difficult.
>>101127904another fucking retardif you increase the oxygen contentas when you compress airas in jet enginesyou increase the temperature at which things burnlike in an oxy-acetylene torch.where acetylene which burns at something like 400°c in normal airburns 2000°c + in oxygen rich environmenteven better:like with fucking coal.in a smelter. overpressure from man-operated bellows, not even the levels of comrpession you have in a jet engine.and guess what?turns out coal buirns hotter than jet fuel bc with a fraction of the compression it actually melts steel and other fancy alloys.go to your local wallmartand buy yourself a brainyou fucking idiot.
>>101127888Don't complain when your house ends up underwater.
>>101127954>wake up one day>house under sea, wtf?youre a complete idiotplease stop being retarded
Since I started working in this field I got so stressed that I developed AoE balding towards anyone in a 15m radius.
>>101127974That's how flash floods work. Coming soon to your location.
>>101127041my brother in christ what is the alternative to electricity and batteries? Oh here we go lemme get some petrol for my computer? Oop guess i died of carbon monoxide poisoning because gas based instruments indoors is retarded.
>>101128000oh, and what has increased co2 anything to do with that? (we were actually talking about burning temps and melting steel)i know what youre gonna tell meand i know its complete bullshiti just want you to type it
>>101127289The battery manufacturers aren't the one dealing with it. If you let air into a hydrocracker at a refinery during operation it will spontaneously explode.I assume toxic smoke was the main killer, otherwise it's hard to catch 16 people.
>>101128015>oh, and what has increased co2 anything to do with that?Higher temperatures, more water evaporation, more extreme weather.>we were actually talking about burning temps and melting steelMeds.
>>101128007Habibi! is it done?Yes sir the american pig dogs will soon have the gas powered appliances.Very good this will make us very rich indeed
>>101128017>otherwise it's hard to catch 16 people.idk manone such battery goes off in a hangarburns, melts and shitthe guy who sees that goes oh shid oh fug oh shidstarts calling reinforcementsbut too late. battery has fully melted downtouches some water or whatevereverything goes up in a blazeeveryone in the direct vicinity of the hangar died.might be 16 people.idk, id easily could imagine just the chain of events eating up 16 people, wo anyone making a mistakethe worst part is that we might not even know the cause of thatwe dont have NTSB shit in lithium recycling plants
>>101128045...more vegetationso slower river flow and more water retention.like in the carboniferous era.even if there was remotely enough co2 to impact the climate, the weather alone is not the reason of flash flooding.in factdeforestation (as an umbrella term) is.but you know shit from fuckand you shill envirotardation which serves only to dismantle european industrybc in the endthe industry for your fucking ifone you buy each year has just fucked off to chyna.where they can polute as much as they want :)thank you envirotard.and in the meantime we went from fish being recommended to pregnant women to being advised against because of the water pollution of our seas has changed that much in merely 20 years.oh, but agriculture is the problem here! and their production of nitrogen which constitutes 71% of the fucking atmosphere...yes the planet has a problem.(you).
>chuds spread big oil misinfo for freethe jannies of propaganda
>>101128134>chudso youre a trannyand as suchyoure retarded>biofuels are big oil misinfospend less time gooningand more time being interested in stuff, trannyyoure fucking boring
>>101128101>only to dismantle european industryGood. There's no need for "industry".>where they can polute as much as they wantAnd they'll die from that pollution like the subhumans they are.
>>101127278>>101127786the fires didn't exceed 250c you absolute fucking cockglobbering retard even the paid off nist report admits that and is consistent with flir imaging, there was also little combustible material availablejet fuel melting steel beams is a red herring and always has beenfocusing on the fact there was no appreciable seismic impact with the building contents unaccounted for, or how the aircraft demonstrated impossible physics
>>101128196>There's no need for "industry".ok.giv back ur hrt then faggot
>>101128205>the jet fuel melted through wtc7 toothe whole jet fuel thing is a red herring.its red herrings all the way down
>>101128209hrt is free, just drink tap water.
>>101128134big oil sponsors solar because they want generators filling in the gaps at night using hydrogen they sell for preemo prices. I think they've structured their efforts in such a way that they'll come out ahead in the 'green' energy market i.e. they're not shilling for gasoline, they don't care. Also of note is their support for ecoweenie groups who just so happen to be anti-nuclear.
>>101128231badum tssbut no, goy, its the cowfarts you have to look afterand tahts why you have to eet ze boogs too
>>101128051>touches some water or whatever>everything goes up in a blazeThat's not what lithium batteries do, uncharged batteries have no metalluc lithium and even charged batteries it's mostly locked up.Throwing a lithium battery into water will not make it explode and it will extuingish almost immediately.
>>101128235Big oil hates hydrogen.They hate nuclear power too, but they hate hydrogen more.
>>101128249>it will extuingish almost immediately.youre talking out of your fucking assand also have reading comprehension problemsplease stop posting until you educate yourself some moreyoure annoying
>>101127484>or ethanol. if its good enough for drag racing, why dont we use ethanol from crops?its not very good for the engine works short term but not long term. You can refine it and make diesel but it has similar problems. Also I guess it doesn't scale that well so its not profitable. There are a bunch of good alternatives even to lithium but discussion is poisoned with lots of grifters and larpers.
>>101128288>There are a bunch of good alternatives even to lithium but discussion is poisoned with lots of grifters and larpers.lets just ignore themcould you expand on alternative solutions?at least point me in the right direction?
>>101127298It makes you emotionally numb and fat as fuck. It's already everywhere in food and in water, so there was a theory that it might be responsible for the rise in obesity, but that has of course been deboonked.
>>101128330>the rise in obesity, but that has of course been deboonked.i heard psy meds in general do that to youthe culprit for that is the fact that we recycle our water.poorly.the compounds end up in our piss, and the piss gets recycled into our water.we cant remove various compounds from water with our current purification techthis is a real issue we should be tackling first as:its what affects the environment at the widest scaleit currently affects ourselvesfunny how the water issue has been memoryholed since the 2010'shttps://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/160203-feminized-fish-endocrine-disruption-hormones-wildlife-refuges
>>101128266They're setting up gasoline for EOL, we'll only have diesel in limited industrial scenarios like trains and ships.https://archive.is/J6iiR
>>101128387>>101128266And they absolutely don't hate hydrogen more than nuclear, you retarded faggot. They're chemical companies; they can make hydrogen, and it's got the same model as the other stuff when it comes to sale.
>>101128400fossil fuels are a geopolitical levermaybe its an "exxon only" venturemaybe its time to let go of oil bc is less convenient and were past peak production, so we might want to chill with its use
>>101128400>>101128422>so we might want to chill with its use(which can be done bc the world is completely pozzed now)
>suddenly all of these same sounding anti-EV posts springing up at once all across multiple sites as EV sales skyrocketI wonder who could be behind these posts||>|3|
>>101128422BP and everybody else is doing it too nigger, google it.
>>101127389Nobody pretends oil is good for the environment or safe. That's the fucking difference.
>>101127273Does your gas chamber have wooden doors?
>>101128457shit.i like the smell of burned gasolinealso explains why EUniggers are pushing so hard to remove old cars from circulation
>>101128366>the compounds end up in our piss, and the piss gets recycled into our water.>https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/160203-feminized-fish-endocrine-disruption-hormones-wildlife-refugesI remember (and article mentions it too) that birth control pills don't get metabolized and get passed completely in urine, which ends up in water and wreaks havoc with wildlife. I wish people rubbed in the feminists' faces how the pill is bad for the environment.
>>101128474>I wish people rubbed in the feminists' faces how the pill is bad for the environment.spread the good word thenyou'd be surprized how much you can achieve if you apply effort x time
>>101127041Thank god nobody dies because of oil industry
>>101128494yeahgod bless americaand thanks jesus for the german scientists.amen.
>>101127041geeeeeeeeg nusoixoxols cant stop seething about the Lithium polish empire what blew up in kherson today
https://youtu.be/WYx9X38xCxYELON BROS NOOOOOOOOOO
>>101128015Don’t you get it? Everything bad that could possibly happen will happen because oil for… reasons.
>>101128422Get a load of this retard that doesn’t understand Big Energy doesn’t care what generates its energy. They just want control over the energy sector.
>>101128471> also explains why EUniggers are pushing so hard to remove old cars from circulationThat’s just to boost car sales for their automobile industry.
>>101128486>>101128474>>101128366>>101128330>omg the fouride is making you fatter and numb!!>totally not because you sit o n your computer all day posting schizo shit, refusing to exercise, and eating 3000+ kcal a day
>>101129101Fish have problems with reproduction because they sit on the computer all day?
>>101129101>lead is actually good for you
>>101129088It's both, energy and auto industry both like the initiative. Energy likes the EV push because it places greater demand on the grid, while pivoting to 'green' sources of power that have better profit margins.Auto likes the EV push because gasoline cars can literally run for a century. Practically magic, a feat of human ingenuity, great for the consumer, and very bad if you want Wagie T Normgroid to buy a new car every 5 years on a finance plan. Instead, EVs expensive and have a expiration date—the battery—making them perfect to flog over and over again.
>>101129088>>101129323theres also the angle that new cars have built in programmed obsolescenceif your car just stops workingand all you can buy is either an ev or a hydrogen fueled caryou will buy the 50i fueled caronce enough people are on 50icars you can do away with petrol altogether wo too much possible fuss
>>101127041That's 3 more dead than ALL nuclear power plants, in the USofA, have killed in 67 years
>>101128459They always focus on cars, when oil is used for tons of things. They don't even know what they're talking about.
>>101127934nigga you are saying the same as me>>101128205steel is really weak when heated idiot, is in my post, we cannot even use in the pre combustion parts of a turbine bc even only heat from the air compresion makes it really soft
>>101127041
>>101129756f/o with your red heringexplain wtc7 nigger
Electrical vehicles does have their issues but are americans so viciously against it due to the US lagging behind on it?
>>101127041That would have to be rapid cascade failure otherwise they could have just walked out of the building. Maybe batteries are a solution for a nations military is low on mines? Just plant lithium batteries everywhere?
>>101129798the difference being petrol cars are involved in a lot more massive accidents and natural disasters.the reason people are afraid of EV fires are the total unknown of when it will go, no early warnings, and a violent initial start that worsens until the entire car is melted away. by contrast, a petrol car which has sat not running for at least 30 minutes has just about a 0% chance of going up, it is very safe in your garage all night, especially if you don not have a gas furnace or water heater. Even while driving, it is exceedingly rare for a petrol car to just fail and catch fire in its first 10 years of life. The only time you would even worry would be just after a major repair, or doing something extraordinary with the car. in contrast, over half of BEV fires happen while the thing is plugged in charging, not moving.
>>101130469Oh look, another person who doesn't understand per capita. I'm sure the insurance actuaries are knocking down your door to get access to your superior risk analysis for setting their rates instead of basing it on resource intensive data collection. >but you didn't read my anecdotes I read them, they irreverent to the data. Once again, you do not understand the simple concept of per capita. Until you grasp this simple concept that third graders understand, all of your "but this one time at band camp, someone left the iron on" whuddabut nonsense is just going to get you laughed at again and again.Reminder: you don't understand per capita and are a moron for this.
>>101130469Wait, EVs can prevent accidents and ward off natural disasters? I was on the fence but now that I've seen your post, all vehicles should be EVs. Fuck, just getting rid of a couple of hurricanes will be enough to cover the cost for everyone to convert over.Can you explain to us the science behind EVs causing natural disasters to disappear and drivers to stop running their cars into each other? This might be the number one scientific discover of modern times and it happened right here, on /g/. What a fucking amazing time to be alive!
>>101130622you do not realize that capita is fucking meaningless in this sense retard. like 80% of all teslas are in cities in california. california cities are not a good reference for what goes on in the entire rest of the country. shut the fuck up
>>101129314Yeah it's lead, not mass immigration of retarded 3rd worlders popping out kids.
>>101130622Imagine sperging over per captia without realizing he just gave you an insanely worse coefficient to start off with before you account for total users. Average tesla cuck and chyna enjoyer, i guess>I'm sure the insurance actuaries are knocking down your door to get access to your superior risk analysisNo, in bongland and other places they already came to the conclusion they don't want to touch your expensive write off, and wont sell you insurance, peroid.
>>101127041is this the part where we all pretend that fossil fuels never kills anyone ever
>20 people dead>only 2 korean nationals diedSo who were the other people?
>>101128205Or the fact that a third building fell despite being hit by literally nothing?
>>101131104Probably jeets.
>>101127298El Paso in Texas has naturally higher lithium levels than most other places.It's generally less violent than other places with high Mexican populations. Idk if anyone has studied this but it's an interesting fact.
>>101127041Thank God Gasoline vapors arnt explosive. I'll be sticking with oil, thanks
Why is everyone arguing about oil vs nuclear? This is about the retarded fire hazards we store the energy in not where it comes from
>>101127934You're so smart you just wrote a wall of text to argue with someone on your side.Jet fuel still doesn't melt steel beams
>>101128230No, no, those red things all the way down were nano-thermite charges, not herrings
>>101131510jet fuel lowers the point of yield of steel beams.
>>101127041>Electric car>Open it up>It's a chemical car>>101127245Most environmental concern trolling is just the same big oil/coal/auto shit. It's not intended to be a real solution, it's intended to be a timewasting dead end, so that when everyone needs to back out of electric cars or whatever, they have to rely on coal/oil/cars to fuel the transition to something that actually works, because most of the infrastructure still supports coal/oil/cars to the exclusion of functional solutions.Functional EVs fall into two categories: Ebikes AKA hybrid motorcycles, and locally produced cars for business use.
>>101128288>its not very good for the engine works short term but not long term. You can refine it and make diesel but it has similar problems. Also I guess it doesn't scale that well so its not profitable.in brazil 40% of the cars under 3.5ton use ethanol. sure, you can shit on brazil, but ethanol seems just better than anything else.
>>101129821I would say it's more because of the issues they have, most of us have relatives in other states, which are often hundreds or sometimes thousands of kilometers away. Needing to take a guaranteed 45 minutes pit stop, more if there's a line, puts a damper on travel.
>>101131345I thought foreigners didn't work in Korea/Japan?
>>101131826Both countries have been bringing in a ton of Indians because they never had kids.
>>101127041Those were primary cells, not rechargeables. Nothing to do with EVs.
>>101131826Well you were wrong.
