Blessed thread of frenship

>>101146316
>he made the collage

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>>101146316
nice collage

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>>101145954
>model to be trained ENTIRELY on AI SLOP
HAHAHAHAHA

>>101146350
>he didnt make the collage (this time)

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>>101146389
it probably works tho

>>101146389
It's over.
>>101146413
>works

>>101146389
>ethics
>inbreeding AI pretraining
it's over before it even started

Meanwhile at gigachads OpenDiffusion
https://new.reddit.com/r/Open_Diffusion/comments/1dn7h53/open_diffusion_mission_statement_10/
>The goal of Open Diffusion is to create Open Source resources and models for all generative AI creators to freely use. Unrestricted, uncensored models built by the community with the single purpose of being as good as they can be.

>>101146389
>he views it as a challenge
I mean, all things aside, that's kinda based. Won't be much if he's proven wrong though.

>>101146316
W000 finally made it in to a collage!

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>>101146487

>>101146478
he will waste time and money for nothing, has any SDXL finetune find success by only being trained with AI pictures?

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>>101146456
AI has random mutations if the selection is reasonably solid there is no inbreeding anyhow.

I don't see the issue.

>>101146498
>he will waste time and money for nothing
very likely, but hopefully we're wrong

>>101146505
there was a paper showing that the more you train a model with AI pictures, the more artifacts you're getting, it's not a good idea at all

>>101146505
>AI has random mutations. If the selection is reasonably solid there is no inbreeding anyhow.
That's also a fairly good point. Question is, how good is their selection going to be. Last time I looked into a laion dataset it looked worse than /b/.

I simply do not wish for my outputs to look like AI therefore I do not train on AI

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>>101146498
If it's SDXL that may be a mistake.

>>101146527
There's no way. They probably did a variant without selecting images between trainings or just for an extremely limited scenario.

>>101146389
This is fucking retarded. Okay fine, you don't want to scrape the internet. How about, then, have people upload pictures they have taken with their cameras and require metadata with those images. Add on top of this proper public domain media and cc0 images and you will have tens of millions of images.

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>>101146529
And Civitai is probably a better dataset for 1girl, anime and comparable, though perhaps not for all things that were done in human artwork so far.

But it just needs to do a model anyhow, not the model to end all models?

>no new poses
>no new locations
>noise and watermark data from dalle gens
>no new actions or interactions
>no new angles
sabotaged from the get go

>>101146603
what would be the point of training something if it is not better than the thing preceding it

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>>101146599
Events and trademarks and people and object designs inside the photos and so much more can be intellectual property of someone else than the photographer thanks to copyright lobbying making endless amounts of things copyrightable/trademarkable/patentable between nations.

>>101146651
this, if you train a model with only AI pictures from an another model, the best scenario would be the new model would be 90% as accurate as the the other AI model used to make the dataset, that's dumb as fuck, AI should aim to learn real pictures, not AI not so accurate pictures

>>101146651
They're retarded because they don't realize the opponents to AI are doing it in bad faith because at the end of the day: IT IS ABOUT MONEY.

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>>101146651
Who says it won't be better? It can be better by better being able to do some combinations of concepts or by prompt adherence or anything else.

>>101146389
they haven't learned anything, when SAI decided to add an op-out for the artists, they weren't loved for that, the artists don't care, they want AI gone, period, you'll never appease those motherfuckers so fuck them

>>101146663
This is nonsense. Sure, you maybe can't take a picture of the comic book you own, but you can absolutely take a picture of your sonic plushie. And you can absolutely walk down Times Square in New York and record it with a high quality 4K camera, produce 100k great images from it, and be completely free legally.

>>101146683
>Who says it won't be better?
it definitely won't be better aesthetically, that's the problem, if you give to an AI model only AI pictures, you're basically telling it that "this is the most beautiful pictures you could aim"

>>101146527
>the more you train a model with AI pictures, the more artifacts you're getting
The issue is twofold. If the selection method is highly automated (which it likely is) then I'm not optimistic about it. A good dataset taking from synthetic materials would require manual labour of keen eyes, both for visual artifacts, inconsistencies, as well as aesthetics.

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>>101146672
It can actually be more accurate than the last imagegen AI by technology improvements, further tagging or something else. It can also be more aesthetic or more diverse on average by curation of many partly randomized variants encouraging it to be.

Human made artwork operates on less.

>>101146727
You seem to be blind, not a good outlook. Blind and retarded.

>>101146707
No, Sonic is an intellectual property of Sega. You need to take and use the photo in the right country to make this possibly viable for a specifc use.

>>101146727
>Human made artwork operates on less.
a machine learning architecture isn't a human brain, all it does is to try to copy the pictures you've given to it, and it will never be 100% accurate, so it will make pictures less accurate than the AI pictures used for the training

Besides, the human brain has been trained on a shit ton of data, let's suppose your eyes can see at 24fps, it means that you're being trained on new pictures 24 times per second for years and years, no AI would have been trained as good as us

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>>101146727
Human made artwork have infinite more value because the mere act of someone creating it gives it value because that person spent time on it. AI art is shit by default especially the shit you see spammed on Civitai. I can't imagine making a model from the outputs of Civitai.

>>101146718
Only if there is no selection process in between.

It's indeed not going to work without the selection. Same as for biology, if you just have mutations and more mutations with no selection (though no selection is impossible in physical reality) the results would definitely be stupid.

>>101146755
If you can monetize it on Youtube it's okay. I can record a video of my Sonic plushie and upload it to Youtube and make money. Your idea of what is safe and not safe is infantile but I'm sure corpos would love your asinine take.

>>101146651
most of ai art is shit, but that doesn't mean there's no good material it good learn from

ai by it's very nature is transformative, meaning it's capable of creating new, good works, and even traditional artists have their flaws

there's a reason both AI and humans hide their hands

>>101146824
Go ahead and train your shitty AI-image model. lmao

>>101146791
for drawing it's debatable, for real life pictures that's a retarded thing to do, no AI pictures will be 100% accurate on anatomy, perspective, and lightning, so you're basically training an AI on non accurate outputs, guess what results you're gonna get? probably shit

>>101146841
I'm just making a point, no need to project.

>>101146845
There is no point, AI-generated images are ass and only copious amounts of cherry picking and inpainting might get you at a point still worse than an average competent artist's work.

>>101146856
I'm not disagreeing with you..

>>101146824
i think pixart trained on mainly mj and it turned out ok and animagine also clearly trained on niji
but i cant see how its going to ever be better than what we have if those retards train ONLY on that

>>101146813
Good luck uploading your commercial video featuring 100k copyrighted / trademarked / design patented (USA) items at a intellectual property protected event location.

>>101146909
Hell, there's been plenty loras trained on outpust of previous models due to some of them having a nice and distinctive style, and they turned out well too If it works on a smaller scale, it COULD work on a bigger one, if with major adjustments. At the end of the day it's about quality and plurality of source material.

>>101146875
The problem with using AI-based images is there's the temptation of laziness, to use millions of slop AI images with little to no filtering. Whenever anyone talks about using AI they're always thinking about that aspect. "Boy it's annoying to get millions of images, why don't I just generate them and I get the prompts for free..."

https://stability.ai/news/stability-ai-secures-significant-new-investment
Can't believe SAI still managed to find new investors after the SD3 fiasco lmao
> Stability AI, a leading imaging, language, code and audio generative AI company, today announced it has closed an initial round of investment from a world-class investor group.
>he investor group includes top-tier institutions, namely: Greycroft, Coatue Management, Sound Ventures, Lightspeed Venture Partners, O’Shaughnessy Ventures

>>101146920
Wow you really moved the goal posts on that one, huh?

>>101146967
These investments were secured before the release of SD3 Medium which is why it was released so shit.

>>101146974
That's what they're trying to do with the AI model. Commercial use included.

Not sneak in a sonic plushie under a "don't care" threshold of SEGA/YT, or for example under fair use applicable only in the USA or only under Vietnamese law.

>>101147028
It's absolutely fair use to use a turnaround of a plushie I recorded myself. Which is why you are allowed to upload and monetize it. Also I don't give a shit, society is going to have to realize that copyright and trademarks will have to ONLY apply to outputs. If you produce copyrighted images with an AI model that's your problem just like if you draw copyrighted images.

Anyone seen Ani lately? I've heard some shit is going down and I want to say hi before he loses his job

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>>101146813
Good luck doing so with something like a Mario. Companies like Nintendo have been one of the biggest pains in the ass of their own community. Same for something like warhammer even. That's why people behind stuff like this want to tread carefully. Training takes a lot of time, effort and big dolla, so better not fumble it. Then again, yes, they can similarly fuble it by castrating their datasets. It's a double-edged sword. In a perfect world, copyright would not exist, but this is not a perfect world.
>>101146961
Hard to argue with that either.

>>101147135
Fair use captures of Mario from recording gameplay video is not the same as using Nintendo Power magazine scans. But we're so far beyond the basic premise, you can have people record things around them and 99.9% of the time it's fair use or straight up legal. The real problem is most of these datasets are scraped images so the right to use these images are largely in question whereas if you had a dataset based on recordings and photos people upload that right to use is much, much clearer.

>>101147081
maybe in your place (fair use suggests USA?) this degree of commercial usage is allowed? you misunderstand profoundly if you think this is possible in most of the world, it isn't

of course in the USA you have immense risks because intellectual property law and court cases and lawyering costs and so on are nuts, just stick your neck out with 100ks of trademarks/copyrights/design patents/whatever else and see what happens.

before politics or courts haven't categorically decided that AI models indeed do not contain the aforementioned but only learned from them, you're probably in for a serious avalanche of lawsuits. they've started against the other commercial AI too, right?

>>101147367
No one is going to train a model based on the podunk standards of your dirt favela.

>>101147397
and then you're probably stuck in places that have crazy intellectual property laws and crazy intellectual property law suits like the USA

What >>101147135 mentioned is only the smallest hint of the craziness there. You better have 100M+ reserved for legal defense kek.

>>101147425
US IP laws actually make sense if not slightly overbearing. No one gets sued for IP infringement here and is surprised it happened. Yes, anon, you can't just make and sell your own Mario game. But weird, fan art isn't illegal!

slop everyday

some fucking raucous shitty gens in here today fellas christ

>>101147467
Kek good if that makes sense to you. I'll await your model and its successful defense from hundreds of lawsuits including many in fucked up lowest instance courts then.

>>101147670
I'll wait for OpenAI's lawsuit then since they clearly have Nintendo IP. :) Fucking favela fag.

>>101146389
well that sucks

>>101147699
None of it matters, there's at least four major "open" AI models being trained right now. I could've guessed the project Comfy attached himself to was going to be shit.

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I CAME!!! AHAHAHA
Purple is Adafactor
Green is CAME optimizer, let hope the output isn't full of artifacts

>>101147685
In the favela no one cares.

It's the USA where you'll probably have to do this dozens of times before it's clear if there's not some small detail that makes everything completely different after all and hundreds of times before you know if states can't do details differently after all.

>>101147740
Less loss is good, right? I never quite understood it, but from what little I gather, it roughly means how far off it's from the original input it's being trained on?

>>101147764
basically yeah, that's how far from the input training the model managed to replicate

>>101147784
then bless the thread in which anon recommended you give it a try, and bless the anon themself

>>101147764
0 is a perfect replica. So the closer to 0 the better... until you hit memorization.

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>>101147764
Indeed, but too fast changing of loss may be caused by artifacts (wrong learning)
See, this is the first epoch, there is a lot of artifacts in image.

>>101147801
oof, but then again, even for the artifacts, that's a very coherent image, looks promising, and with this being the case, maybe it needs just a bit of adjustment to get really great results

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im blessed that forgeUI works on my gtx 960!

god I want to traaaaain now

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>>101147847
Do you really?

>>101147847
get a cheap ARC A770 and be a programmer like me, kek

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>>101146316
Ai sisters.... We're killing the planet

>>101147874
If only there wasn't a very cheap way to produce clean electricity in volume...

>>101147885
If only there wasnt a way to store that energy

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fun fact, a repeating string of score_schizo can sometimes yeld good/better/interesting results, pic unrelated but I've noticed it because I sometimes forget to avoid putting a style on top of a style

>>101147859
well, I'm juuust a bit of a masochist I guess
>>101147868
>sound of non-programmer 8vram laptop tears can be heard dripping the distance

>>101147919
You don't need batteries with nuclear.

>>101147874
Let it burn. Unlike with crypto, at least we're getting something arguably useful out of it.

>>101147874
Same shit as with crypto. Now that megacorps "got mine" and are using it to manipulate information and gamble, the media are attacking "little people" for benefiting from it.

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>>101147944
Great minds think alike.

>>101147934
It's retarded concern trolling that ignores real sources of pollution. Like the amount of pollution that was produced so they can buy yet another purse.

>>101147926
Yeah I know but solar etc are the hype du jour right now

>>101147977
Yes, surely you own 0 extraneous items designed primarily for pleasure, and are 100% utilitarian and are the utmost conservative in your resting, transportation and living habits

So, we have to make AI green, not just woke?

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>>101147977
>retarded concern trolling that ignores real sources of pollution.
Touché

>>101147998
What kind of faggotry is this? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy, I guarantee you the emissions from using my 4090 is negligible compared to the likely hedonistic, rampant consumerism of the author of that article.

>>101148012
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for more efficiency and not having to rely on AC and masks in the future. One of the politicians in my country said we should be happy about it, since we'll be able to grow bananas, but I'm not sure if that's how it works, and we're already close enough to being the banana republic of Europe.

>>101148023
>I'm pointing out the hypocrisy
The ironic nature of your post is hilarious

>>101147983
Build pumped hydro.

Further surplus power should be used for waifus and husbandos.

>>101148048
I don't concern troll about pollution, faggot. And I certainly don't concern troll about pollution while be a hedonistic normie consoomer. Also kill yourself.

>>101148048
They have a point in:
>emissions from using my 4090 is negligible compared to the likely hedonistic, rampant consumerism of the author of that article

>>101148045
Which country?

>>101148023
>its only bad when its something I dont like

Can we please put the discord invite string into the OP of these threads? Thanks all, and peace

>>101148080
Consumerism is bad, faggot. No amount of mindless consuming will fill the empty void in your life.

>>101148088
No pastebins. No doxcords. Keep drama in other threads.

>>101148065
So.. You think they bought the 4090 because of the emissions?

>>101148105
Anon you're going to break your back if you bend so far to argue in bad faith.

>>101148096
>No amount of mindless consuming will fill the empty void in your life.
Dare I say, based?
>>101148105
No, they probably bought it to train a state of the art coom model.

>>101147983
Solar is ass and doesnt generate enough even in desert regions. Wind is a fucking saviour larp too.

The more I learn about nuclear the more it becomes clesr that we are shooting ourselves in the foot by not using it.

>>101148113
>resorts to insults
Classic

>>101148113
>ad hominem
For fuck sake you retard, you're not going to win anything doing this

>>101148132
Yeah I think you're a piece of shit when you are intellectually dishonest.

>>101148149
>samefag or discord raid

>>101148131
Wind and solar sounds good for rural areas that are far away from the grid. Otherwise yeah, nuclear is probably THE way to go about it.

>20 drama posts in a row with no gen
>Okay, guys, let's keep the drama in the drama thread, okay? Thanks guys

>>101148155
>>101148132

>>101148155
>discord raid
Wow, resorting to being a double retard, who would have guessed?

>>101148170
>just a coincidence

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>>101148183
Just keep the discord out your fucking mouth. We kicked you for a reason, fucking nogen debo bitch

Worries about climate. Codes in Python.

>>101148203
>just a coincidence

>>101148212
Prove it
Oh, you have no proof?
Oh, didn't realise

All these regarded anons in here talking about the discord need to bring receipts next time they're gonna stir shit up because it's getting ridiculous

>the consistent double posting is just a coincidence

>>101147874
>cute bird with giant testicles is back
blessed

>>101148254
>anyone who disagrees with me is all just one person and nobody ever agrees with me because 4chan is so unfaaaiiiir
stop whining retard we all hate you

>>101148280
how's work today troll fag? still thinking about the shotgun? can't wait to see your centaur spam in sdg tonight

If you're one of the anons calling it the doxxcord, you're the problem.

>>101148294
I'm not Ran you imbecile motherfucker so take that name out your mouth before you get in real trouble.

>>101148316
prove it with a gen

>>101148328
>Someone mentions ran
>im NOT ran but shut up or ill doxx you
obvious ran is obvious

>sdg dead
>massive shitting ITT
Can't make this up

>>101148344
As far as I know both of the people who got doxxed from the discord did it to themselves with no intervention from the mods, including ran

>>101148368
this is divisive nonsense
the problem is schizoanon, whichever thread he has chosen that day suffers

>>101148236
>All these regarded anons in here talking about the discord need to bring receipts next time they're gonna stir shit up because it's getting ridiculous
It's a team of schizos. They're figured out how to rattle folks. "Discord" is their new thing. Used to be "pastebin".

>>101148441
Well, the discord does actually exist, and one of the mods is the person who runs the pastebin. The constant retard posting about it is done by a small team of /ic/ schizos, though, I'm sure of that.

>>101148298
>doxxcord
They want your email. Case closed.

i miss debs, bros, not been any news posts in a while now

>he still doesn't know what's about to happen

>>101148488
your workflows too

>>101146698
its not artists, it never was, or rather they were dragged into it by false flags. its corporations who dont want the fancy new tech to be open source or free.
so of course they dont care and only want it gone.

>>101148658
No, there are real artists being vocal about this. They are threatened by the loss of money and they basically say anything and everything to get AI banned. These are the people screaming in every social media venue.

Corporations are afraid of being sued and a lot of the peons at these companies are also trying to be the ethical and moral police, I have no doubt many actions taken by OpenAI and SAI were done by people who are trying to force people to "do the right thing".

>>101148744
>No, there are real artists being vocal about this
for sure they are, but theyre being duped or are paid to do it by those corpos.
i remember some stupid "copyright alliance" where they tried to get aspiring online artists riled up to team up with disney and the like.

>>101148369
Ran is not a doxxcord mod

>>101148799
Anon, there doesn't need to be a conspiracy. Luddites exist. Any drooling retard who can't abstract think will think AI is bad as a gut reaction. These people are always there screaming, they did the same thing when digital art was becoming popular. The tradition media artists were shitting and pissing everywhere because digital art made art cheaper to get into.

>>101148836
of course, but there is also a conspiracy.

a lot of great gens today guys, nice work

>>101148856
No, social media just makes it easier than ever for retarded bandwagons to be created.

Discord has been popping off lately if anyone's looking to join

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>>101148886
Sorry boss, been out a few days. Will get back to work

>>101148471
> /ic/ schizos
This explains the tree thing, but it shows how disconnected you are. The issue is the avatars themselves, they are the ones doing all of this. Making up a boogeyman because you don't want to face the real problem is only going to make things worse.

>>101148813
Uh, yep, he is

>>101148964
How do you deal with them? They are very active, bake most threads and have by far the majority of posts, both gen and nogen. What is puny tiny little you going to do about it?

>>101149001
If you close your eyes it's like they don't exist and they don't matter.

>>101148899
which in turn makes it easier for corporate astroturfing. of course these big media publishers dont want you producing your own media, and of course big tech companies want to keep this to themselves and to sell on their terms, theyre already selling it.

>>101149001
just ignore them dude

>>101149019
They have completely consumed this thread. There is almost nothing here but their ramblings

>>101149036
What Disney does or does not want with AI models is irrelevant to me. SAI's SD3 was ass not because of Disney but because of handwringing puritans.

>Debo
>Ani
>Ran

>>101149001
report them for off topic, and posts mentioning the discord too. they can go back to their thread

>>101149051
i think there would not be hardly as much opposition if people were wise to their tricks. they spread lots of disinformation.

>>101149057
Pick two

>>101149085
The handwringing is self inflicted, SD3 wasn't ass because it contemporary artists.

>>101149001
thinking about moving to another board, the problem is, which other blue board allows local imggen?

>>101149132
i was replying to a post about angry artists, not about sd3s quality or lack of.

>>101149152
Several of them allow DALL-E, but you cannot possibly make a new thread without them immediately jumping on it to kill it in the womb. The first 3 posts to your new thread will be "Debo" "Fuck Ani" and "Schizo anon is sooo back"

Isn’t it time to merge with the main thread? United we’re stronger, divided, we’re weak.

>>101149174
Angry artists don't need corporate agitators to exist.

>>101149190
This thread has a Chinese model focus and the other thread has an SAI focus. There really isn't much overlap in the content discussed.

>main thread

>>101149190
no this is what one particular anon wants. the same one trolling this thread.

>>101149208
D E B O
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B
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>>101149206
You could just talk about both in the same thread.

>>101149206
stop making shit up
we just dont want avatarfags, doxx discords and drama
every local image generation model is welcome here

>>101149208
>every post i dont like is one anon
>the thread would be great if it was only me
>>101149238
There is basically no overlap between the two topics

>>101149205
i dont want to go in circles, sorry.

>>101149251
It’s the same topic, and the same thread.

>>101149241
This is the main thread that the discord members/avatarfags post in

>>101147859
>571 days
damn

>>101149206
>This thread has a Chinese model focus and the other thread has an SAI focus
nonsense. Local models go here

>>101149265
It's two completely different topics and the threads share very little in common.
/ldg/ has a lot more gens per post and a lot more serious discussion.
/sdg/ has very few gens comparatively and a lot more of this retard schizo shit.

>>101149280
0/10 for the effort, better luck tomorrow

>>101149298
Discord mod hands wrote this post

>>101149292
And together you would bring the best of both worlds. This kind of division is going to kill open source.

nb4 a joint thread is baked only for sdg to immediately double bake like last time

>>101149314
Fuck unity, I'm literally not going to spend more than 2 more minutes of my life thinking about SAI slop like SD3. I'm interested strictly in the future models

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Reminder not to bother with ragebait shitposting. Spare yourself the brainrot by refusing to engage with it. There's better things to do, and more worthwhile discussion to be had.

>>101149339
/lsdg/ when

>>101149314
Just let it go man

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Sisyphus rolling the god damn boulder again

every launches ok with stock a1111 with the amd gpu use set up, i have low vram on but i'm on 8gb of vram, and as soon as i try to generate, it hangs. gives me 0 error after a few minutes, and then press any key to continue then quits. any ideas?

>>101149415
Loving every it/s of it.

>>101149415
confirmed sissy baka

>>101149282
Hard to know what the real time is. Might just be 2 or 3 epochs, it's training on around 6 million images now.

>>101149495
do the samples look like anything yet?

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>>101149415
I love you anon

>>101149590
Looks like a transformers screaming "god left me unfinished".

>>101146316
https://chipsandcheese.com/2024/06/25/testing-amds-giant-mi300x/

>finally some good fucking food

>>101149590
little bit rough, but I guess it's getting there

>>101149495
>6 million images
that's a lot for a finetune, did you make some other models before that one?

>>101149788
It's a from scratch model, 1.3B parameters made on Pixart architecture.

>>101149751
It'll get there, it has to learn from ground zero, it's only effectively 200 hours of training so far.

>>101149668
>>101149694
These don't look like /ldg/ gens to me. Intruder?

>>101149816
>It's a from scratch model, 1.3B parameters made on Pixart architecture.
you're continuing the pretraining of pixart? you know that they will release a more advanced base pixart model? maybe you should wait for their definitive version before working on it aswell, that's my 2 cents

>>101149871
No, it's something I'm doing from uninitialized weights I defined, this model is training from literal zero. Pixart Sigma is 0.6B. I don't know when they're releasing a new model, if ever and it took them months between Alpha and Sigma. Their next model, if ever released, will be an upgrade / new model just like Alpha to Sigma. For now it's my hedge as a different open model, it's training on an uncensored dataset, and I'm doing it as a hobby project.

>>101149824
>These don't look like /ldg/ gens to me. Intruder?
I'm out of the loop here, what?

>>101149913
I see, that's a very interesting project you decided you tackle your hands on, I wish you all the success because that would mean we would get a fully uncensored base model ready to be used. For the captions what did you use? Laion's captions or something like CogVLM?

>>101149913
Don't let your memes be dream anon.

>>101149962
Honestly I think it's learning faster than I could have hoped given the numbers they gave in the paper.

>>101149991
That and the fact you CAME really shows promise, even if within it's paramter's limits.

>>101150009
I don't understand what you're saying. But honestly I'm just hopeful because it means Pixart's architecture might mean we're eating good forever. If I can do 1.3B, I can do 2B and beyond especially as hardware improves. We might very well be training a 8B model 10 years from now on Pixart using consumer hardware (8090s).

>>101150036
what hardware are you using to pretrain a pixart 1.3b?

>>101150036
Aren't you using the CAME optimization instead of Adafactor, or do we have two anons training and I got confused.

>>101150073
I'm training on two 4090s

>>101150078
No I'm a different anon, I'm doing AdamW 8-bit which gets me batch size 32 at 256. So it should scale okay to 1024px.

>we have TWO anons training
real /ldg/ hours

>>101150101
>I'm doing AdamW 8-bit
what do you think about this new paper? it says it makes the training even better or some shit
https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.16793

>>101150146
I'll look into it, anything that makes memory go down is good. I tried 4-bit training too but it was unstable.

>>101150152
>swordlance
okay, I'm intrigued

>>101149348
what's the lora for this one?

>>101150389
https://civitai.com/models/531020/wakfu-anime-style-poneyxl

>>101150667
thanks

>>101150913
very punk
>>101150973
very arty

>>101150169
Sadly it's way too fat compared to 8bit AdamW. Couldn't even do batch size 4 at 256.

>>101150973
c-catbox?

>>101151367
https://files.catbox.moe/zhg680.png

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>>101151367
also if you want the lora:
https://litter.catbox.moe/xy9d2z.safetensors

as mentioned earlier it's a failed gyategyate training

>>101151706
>>101151791
thank you anon

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>>101151861

>>101151284
JK got it working with bf16

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>>101151806
np. but it really just is a failed training, so most people wouldn't wanna bother I think

>>101146389
As long as it's curated high quality images it doesn't matter.

>>101152231
You actually believe they're going to curate 10+ million AI slop images? They don't even look at the real images they train on.

>>101146389
Not my loss if they try, but yeah this is almost certainly dead on arrival.

>>101152246
You can automate most of it if you bothered keeping up with current training methods.

>>101152297
>automate making sure the AI images even make sense
Here's the thing about real images, I can trust people don't have an arm coming out of their knee.

>>101152246
You can do this with https://github.com/chaofengc/IQA-PyTorch/ for example.

Use qalign and some others as well as popular images and you probably have pretty nice images.

>>101152318
Have you considered one of the reasons why SAI products look like shit is they overuse automated "this image must look good based on math" filters?

>>101152326
No I have not. People just want to make shit up.

Besides you're not finished in one iteration.

For stylized it's not bad at all. https://huggingface.co/datasets/ProGamerGov/synthetic-dataset-1m-dalle3-high-quality-captions

>>101152326
SAI are shit at it is the issue. They used shitty cogvm. There are far superior options now.

>>101152345
Make what shit up? That SD overproduces bokeh images?

>>101152353
Training on this will guarantee mangled hands.

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>>101152354
Very nice

>>101152377
>Training on this will guarantee mangled hands
Have you seen Laions datasets? Curated ai generated images are better than most of that garbage.

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>>101152407
???
Anon, you need the junk. You need random eBay images. Your dataset can't just be a bunch of AI generated Reddit memes. And you have to remember, these are the images they cherry picked. Dalle is more than capable of generating absolutely piles of shit. I'll take someone's random MySpace pictures over AI generated slop.

>>101152213
sometimes the failures produce the most interesting results

>>101152377
Basically all of what you said, that
> SAI products look like shit is they overuse automated "this image must look good based on math" filters?

That is simply not a fact, the aesthetics and image quality scoring algorithms largely concur with human assessment anyhow.

>>101146534
this

>>101152471
>mostly
Uh huh. Good cope. And what a coincidence, it just does really bland stock images with excessive bokeh. Almost like it's aligned with what is mathematically "appealing".

>>101152484
yea most humans even like the bokeh AND you can literally just do a model that prefers not having the bokeh or out of focus areas if you're with the other group.

>>101152502
My point is if you use aesthetic scoring you're going to bias your model and I'm going to laugh so hard when the AI slop model with 10/10 aesthetic scored images comes out looking like shit and everyone wonders what went wrong.

I'll tell you right now that aesthetic scoring is not great, at all. Lots of false negatives, lots of false positives. And frankly, the goal is not to eliminate the bad images, but to properly annotate them as bad.

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>>101147859
Hype! Grad norm is pretty high though anon, might want to get that checked out.

>>101149590
Hype!!! 256x256 of pure HYPE

>>101152502
>most humans even like the bokeh
To add, the more/better bokeh, the more expensive the camera lens. Aperture can only go so wide w/o sacrificing quality

>>101152528
Humans very much agree with modern aesthetics scoring.

As for technical image quality assessment (e.g. was this compressed heavily or lightly, did a better camera record this or a worse one), AI does that even better than random humans.

Yes, you probably should not completely eliminate the worse data when training AI also because perhaps you get all 3DCG and no 1990s digital camera photos? But biasing the training towards aesthetics is just fine.

>>101152600
Like I said, you'll just get SD3 and SDXL which have zero range. You just sound like someone who doesn't know contrast from hue.

>>101152613
Like I said, you have nothing. SD3/SDXL are literally not showing anything one way or the other. It's literally nothing.

>>101152742
You simply confirm you lack taste. Have fun with your DE3 aesthetics model.

>>101152753
You realize how stupid it is to claim this results in DE3 aesthetics JUST after claiming it results in SD3/SDXL with their different aeshetics?

It does not result in any specific aesthetics tho I suppose you get attractive 1girl/1boy on average since humans and AI are trained to rate that highly for aesthetics.

In the end we hit flaws in the technology anyhow, you can train data but it doesn't mean that combinations of tokens always will get a great score AND high adherence to the concepts they represent in a sensible combination for the tokens presented.

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remember when these threads were fun?

>>101152849
lol you're funny, at least you make up in wit what you lack in taste

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>>101152860
didn't someone always make asspulls?

>>101152171
nice anon

Hello anon

>>101146316
nice collage desu

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>>101153786
Howdy stranger

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Kaboom

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>>101154012

>>101154012
>me after having indian food

>>101153969
yee haw partner

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Have you prepared anon?

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Good night anon

I miss chang

>>101154635
gn kot

>>101154190
Minima?

>>101147874
I'm pretty sure that the power grid is being exhausted by giant data centers and GPU warehouses, not by anon generating anime titties. Image models are pretty small and no more power consuming than your average PC game

>>101152860
I like learning

>>101149206
what Chinese model

choose:
>dead thread
>pedo posters, pedo apologists, a single anon masquerading as other anons/avatars

>>101155225
Second one

Nice hours
>>101150683
Nice

worthless dead general
the only posts are made by ran samefagging and chink bots lol

anyway

>>101155037
there are like three of them

What's the best model for animeslop?

>>101155726
Pony/t-ponyai3

The art gallery has opened:
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>>101155934
>>101155934