Or membrane keyboards general, or magnetic keyboards general... the important thing is that they're expensive.prev: >>101363073
1st for zakus
>>101412288since pro tier consoomers attend these threads:- what is the best mech keyboard with swapable keys?- what type of key (colour) should one get?- why do stupid people buy keyboards without keypad (do they have calculators on side)?
>>101412288Garbage general.You don't require more.
>>101412430>q1For you? This, but the group buy hasn't started yet: https://bowlkeyboards.com/pages/pangea-full-size>q2black>q3bc they're stupid>>101412480I actually do require more than garbage but if you want to go start garbage general that would make an excellent OP image
>>101412430L M A OGet fucking lost, stupid cunt. Are you an accountant or what?Only troons use something more than 60% to compensate absence of dick.
What macros you use on your programmable mechanical keyboards?Your mechanical keyboard is programmable, right, anon..?
>>101412595Just basic shit really, my keymap is much the same as the default on qmk (because that was my keymap to begin with) but I've since added a macro for an em dash and some other shit.https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/blob/master/keyboards/handwired/dactyl_manuform/5x7/keymaps/default/keymap.c
Silent linears are a fuckin game changer
Aint no way ali is gonna do this soccer shit again. Just bought a pack of BSUN Bunnies for $2.
Looking for a gayming keyboard without the gayming shitBudget is ~$300 CADTKL onegaiI want the switches to be linear and with a satisfying sound you get from those ASMR videos.I was looking at Keychron but I don't want South-facing RGB. Wooting has questionable QC and the waiting time seems to get fucky. I can't do custom because I don't want to solder shit and I'm too retarded (I don't know where to look and I don't trust chinese parts and vendors)I was looking at Razer and SteelSeries since they have a good reputation in terms of keyboards. SS Apex Pro and Razer Huntsman V3 Pro caught my eye, especially Razer since I already have a Deathadder and their bloatware. But the keebs themselves sound fucking godawful.Thoughts? Recs?>inb4 'gaming' keyboards
>>101412480Kill yourself
>>101413015Just for suggesting you value for money keyboard? C'mon man.
Are Gateron Yellows good?
>he "needs" less
>>101412488tyvm anon>>101412578you are,like,stupid. bro.
>>101412729>have bobagums>mushy as hellWhat do you have there, anon?
Red alert caps on Black or Silver case?
>>101413218As far as linears go yeah, IMO the G Pro 3.0 are some of the best OOTB switches out there, budget or not. Well lubed and minimal wobble, the LED diffusers work well too if you care about that.
>>101412480If it didn't bend like a sheet of paper it would be a nice keeb.
>>101413218Unlike what other anon said, I bought milky yellow pros from Drop and wasn't a fan. Had to handlube all of them because you hear the spring crunch and feel the poor factory lube job. Go look at bsun jade rosales to see how far good factory lube switches have come.
>>101412986Soldering isn't as hard as it might seem. Getting a like $20 trash board and the cheapest possible iron would let you see if it's something g truly beyond you or not while costing almost nothing. Otherwise it all comes down to whatsoever remade has the sorts of flaws you can most easily live with.
bump
If you had genuine Vintage Cherry G80-3000 HAU caps, would you take out the yellowing or keep it that way?
>>101416552Keep it. Yellowing makes things look nice, as long as it's uniform.
tactile bump
ZMK is so much easier to use than QMK wtf. Just chill and edit on github instead of fucking around on QMK MSYS and hope everything goes right.
>>101416552leaving it the piss-yellow of decay is one of those disgusting boomer habits I'll never understand. They love stuff that looks "antique", not in spite of the age and decay but because of it. They'll "antique" new garbage and love it, and throw a tantrum if you polish any of their old stuff to restore its former dignity.
>bought some gateron baby kangaroosdumb name aside they're everything I want on paper
https://geon.works/products/venom-he-tkl-pcb-platesIt's here, gaymers
>planning out the collection>its all MX Black for the switchesPlease help me escape the MX Black hole... those are just too good...
>>101419197Maybe try out some other colors of cherry mx
>>101419208There's no point, only the stems and spring weights change lmao
>>101419230I mean clear top or even RGB PC top series, they are good
geon's old warehouse clearance
>>101419482website says all sold out?
>>101419499Sales Time19 July, 11AM KST (GMT+9) ~ 26 July, 11AM KST (GMT+9)
>>101419482>722 for saleF1-8x v2 vs 722, what's the difference?
>>101419631The shittier version of F1-8x v2 but its sure do looks pretty good
Should just learn colemak-dh or colemak-dh wide+angle?
Anyone use an Ergodox Wireless? I just got one and I'm working on setting it up. I was planning on using it with a central dongle for a couple of desktops most of the time but I wanted to be able to easily use it without a dongle for Steam Deck or my phone or whatever but it looks like I would have to flash the firmware to change that functionality. Is there a different way that isn't total cancer?https://www.slicemk.com/pages/ergodox-wireless-guide
TKLbluetoothISO layoutmx clear or roughly equivalentwhat buy?
>>101412729I hate silent linears Absolutely no feedback so I fat finger literally everything every time. It's worse than using a touchpad keyboard. >git gudhaving no physical feedback for your actions is objectively less precise regardless of your skill
>>101419710Going from row stagger to split columnar stagger is a bigger benefit than switching to an alt layout imo. Takes a lot less time to get used to as well.
>>101419809I said BT but in fact just wireless in general is fine
>>101419647How come its shittier? Sounds the same to me based on the soundtests
>>101419969Weaker spacebar, try listening to them again
>>101419809just get a cycle8 with the wireless tri-mode iso pcb and the mx clears you want and shenpo or xiami caps for whatever language you're looking forwith a deal like the cycle8 right now if you're in the market for a tkl there's not much point getting anything else
7 hours left on Petrichor. If it doesn't hit its MOQ and I don't get one I will go absolutely apeshit and start fedpostingif you do decide to buy one please don't get fool's gold colorway that's what I'm getting
>>101412288Do you guys know what keyboard is this? I want either this one or one really similar, same layout, all-black design, knob. Bonus points if the arrow keys are properly aligned with the rest. My plan is to get one and swap the switches if I don't like the default ones.
>>101420810Looks like Drop Sense 75.
>>101420810>I want either this one or one really similar, same layout, all-black design, knobYou can just google "75% keyboard" and they're literally all this.
>>101412851how do you get it that low?
>>101421201Coupon from soccer game, coins, and promo code. Ended up free and just paid tax.
>>101420680FRL 1800 is an absolutely hideous layout in my opinion. I would've probably jumped on it day 1 if it had a function row, or better yet, if it was proper G80-1800 layout, that would've been amazing.
>>101420875Looks like it, thanks.>>101420887Yeah but I need it to be /mkg/ approved.
>>101421676Well, the only one we approve is Sat75.
>>101421488>FRL 1800 is an absolutely hideous layout in my opinionyour opinion stinks(ignore this retard's numpad keycaps, focus on overall form...)
just get a full size, you don't need to save like 1.379cm more of desk space with a gimped troon layout
Ignore the previous anon, you must go lower.
>>101422235If you don't use a custom layout then you could just your board and caplets from anywhere! How the hell is anon supposed to get paid if he can't lock them in?
>>101418947i love mine. i forgot how much better for typing tactiles were after using nothing but linears for 4+ years.
What's the deal with Cherry's MX 3.1 stuff with their updated MX2A switches? They gave Q2 this year as a release window some months back, but there's been basically zero updates since.
I was mistyping shit on my old keyboard constantly so i decided to try a low profile keeb and I'm absolutely loving it. its like a laptop keyboard that doesn't suck
>>101422545Smoother, better, and free lube switchesYou open them up, dip the lube from the base, and lube your spring and stem with that
>>101422711Well I know about the switches, guess I should've been more specific. I'm just wondering what the deal is with when they're releasing their own products/boards, since I remembered hearing about this some months ago and it's been basically radio silence since then.
>alphas heavily shined>yellowed (I expected it)>some caps are aren't completely smooth>85 usdDid I get overexcited in buying these caps? Lmao
>>101422903wtf is that, npbt beige?
>>101422959Looks like OG cherry ABS doubleshots to me.
>>101422959OG Cherry G80-3000 HAU doubleshots
What MT3 keycap sets have a flat R5/bottom row? As far as I can tell for ones that are available right now it's only the 2048 ones.
>>101423119All the PBT ones. Operator, 2048, devtty, serika.
>>101423273Okay thanks, just saw the actual laid out pics with an "R5 (flat)" on ones like devtty.
>>101419482>creyon/brass c grade w1-at for $280 (pcb not included)very interesting... this complicates things for me, I was planning to get a typface monospace this week but now I don't know, maybe this is the better move. How shitty is Geon's C-stock?
>>101423533>How shitty is Geon's C-stock?His C-stock would get classified as B-stock at most other vendors, i.e. it's not terrible.
>>101423626NTA but why is everything about him so good?I keep hearing a lot of good things about this guy
>>101423786Dude was a legit manufacturer for some other stuff I don't remember what, but had leftover materials and the machines to make keyboards. This was literally a side project for him and I'm pretty sure it still is even though it's been expanded.
>>101422283split wireless chad, do you have advice:>>101419777
Look what i just ordered. I started making my own ortho pcb design but then i found this and it was a cheaper and easier option.Eventually i will finnish my design but first i need to know if ortho or staggered is better.
I don't know which one to buy! Very difficult decision. And I only have this week to decide because 2/3 options are likely to sell out quickW1-AT very cool but I only have one shot at getting it right because the alignment plate is single-use and it's plateless only (all the plates have been sold out for a long time), not much fun. Could be a very nice board though. It's tempting.Monospace is the least impressive but cheapest and in-stock. 1.7kg is pretty light (still heavier than my plastic full-size though). And 6 deg angle is a bit shallow for me, I like 8. Maybe it's not the last keyboard I'd ever buy. I think I'd get the red color.Pangaea looks great—a real full-size!—except for the moving numpad gimmick. I worry the board won't sound as solid and whole (probably it's fine, but...), and aesthetically I find it bothersome that it's not all one whole piece for the top case. They don't say the PCB price, I bet that'll be expensive. Plus that 4-6 month wait... If I'm gonna spend that much money and wait half a year, I want it to be more perfect than this.
>>101412595I didn't even read your question, I just clicked for the boobs.
>>101424557I don't know how anyone could type comfortably on a non-split ortho, plenty of people swear by it though. Hope you like yours
>>101424686Get the Monospace, the W1-AT layout takes some getting used to, and I don't think they go for a lot on aftermarket if you really want one after the fact. Plateless is also very jarring if you've never tried it before, I would strongly suggest trying a plateless board before buying one, personally I dislike how it feels a lot.Honestly, there's nothing wrong with a lightweight board, my F1-8X is a pain in the ass to move around on my desk since it's so heavy.
>>101423786The dude's a millionaire from manufacturing shit for the Korean military so he has money to burn prototyping and stuff.
Got my first split board!What's the most common key layout to use on a Lily58?
Drop sale is fucking ass. Only MT3 Dusk is worth at 70% off. None of the semi recent caps are on sale too.
has any switched topped the u4t yet
>>101428406MX Browns
>>101427720I use colemak (dh is probably better, but regular one has better support when I'm not using a QMK keyboard) with home row mods (the thumb cluster for the main layer I use for space/enter/backspace/del/common accentuation used in my language). The most common should be the default one though.
>>101412480>k120>3 key rolloverutter trash
>>101412288Aight guys I have some budget and I was thinking about finally buying a mechanical.I need your advice, is Logitech shit anygood? Been thinking either about G512 or G413 but the G413 have proprietary switches which I guess would be a pain in the ass to replace if one breaks later on.
>>101424686monospace easy pick
>>101429565How much are we talking about here?
>>101429565No, the point of mechanical is being able to easily replace switches and easily customize the keys through the firmware (and storing on the board instead of on one windows PC when constantly running some bloated spyware only for a fraction of QMK/ZMK flexibility). I don't know if keychron is still the popular option, but their boards at least have the basic features with tons of layout options.
>>101429565Get some cheap chink hotswap board
>>101429565These guys have it>>101429776>>101429823Get a keychron or red dragon or something.
>>101424686it's too bad they couldn't drop the front of the monospace a hair lower for a bit more typing angle, it would have improved the look if nothing else. 70% + southpaw numpad is a great layout. The pricing's not very competitive, or I should say, wouldn't be very competitive if there was anything else right now. The look of the case itself is a mixed bag for me, I like the fluted back but the top case is pretty blah. I'm a bit concerned that there are no prototypes, no build streams, etc. Will it look like the renders? Who knows?It's still probably what I'd pick given the descriptions. Pangaea price only makes sense if that's your idea of the perfect board, and it sounds like you don't feel that way
>>101429753200€>>101429776I don't really care about customization, but yeah I do care a lot about being able to fix my shit.Could you give me an example where it could be useful for me to customize the keys? Are we talking about macros or something else?>>101429823I don't trust chinese keyboards, the only reason I'm considering a Logitech is because at work (programming job) I have to use a K120 and despite being here 5 years already, the keyboard still works like a charm and the letters are still clearly visible.So I was wondering if that quality reflected on their other more expensive keyboards.Also I'm italian and I would really like an italian layout since I'm accustomed with it and chink shit NEVER offer anything different from a standard US layout.
>>101429889>Could you give me an example where it could be useful for me to customize the keys?example one: you buy a keyboard and dislike the keys it comes with. You decide to buy heavier ones. Now you're happyexample two: you are italian and want an ISO layout. You reposition the switches on the pcb for an ISO layout (assuming it supports this—some do, many don't), put on Italian ISO keycaps, and program it for italian ISO layout in VIA.example 3: your left shift key dies after six years of use. You remove it and put in a new switch. Keyboard works again.example 4: one of your coworkers complains to management about the noise from your keyboard. You remove the switches and put in silent ones.example five: you put your legs up on your desk and hit your board, accidentally breaking a keycap. You easily replace it with another same size keycap (this happened to my brother twice)example six: your keyboard comes with a "Siri button" that drives you nuts. You reprogram it in VIA to do something normal.>chink shit never offer anything different from US layoutKeychron and Varmilo both do ISO layout boards.
>>101430083>you are italian and want an ISO layoutthis is a funny example, because the italian ISO layout can't type italian properly because it's missing accented capitals.
>>101430193I know nothing about Italy and its problems but this doesn't surprise me all that much
>>101429889>Are we talking about macros or something else?You can create your own ctrl button (layer) that allows for every key of your keyboard to have a second functionality (for example to open browser, change workspace, use functionality from your IDE), or you can have a different function for holding a button (or double click, or click and hold, called tap dance). It's just so crazily flexible and it stores on device so I can use them with my tablet or notebook without any extra config (and if I do, you can run the VIA/VIAL configurator in the browser).>I don't trust chinese keyboardsThen you shouldn't go with logitech mechanical keyboards (especially without hot swappable switches, if the key starts double clicking like my g613 did I hope you can solder). And of course, the letters being visible is only an issue because you can't change them freely (which also tend to be very good and cheap, such as pbt double-shot).
Shenpo vs 21kb vs CRP vs OG Dyesub?
>>101412288Is picrel any good? (Epomaker TH80 Pro), it's $60 right now, but I always hear Epomaker is hit or miss.
>>101412986>Looking for a gayming keyboard without the gayming shitWtf do you mean by that?If you are looking for hall effect and/or "small latency" keyboard ain't many choices but gaming keyboards like wooting. Unless you are extremely competitive you'll be just fine with a 1000hz polling rate keyboard. >RGBHonestly just forget about backlight. Especially north-facing. That's closing yourself from too many options. You'll have to get shitty and flimsy ABS shine-through keycaps also. It's not worth it. I've been there and seriously do not miss backlight. My keycaps are light with black font and my monitor is enough to see them in the dark. If you need them to pair with your RGB gaming set-up consider not being a faggot. >Custom>SolderSoldering is for enthusiasts imo. Hotswap is pretty much always an option. You really don't have to.>Thoughts? Recs?Luminkey80 if you want something pre-built you can just buy. Cycle8 if you don't mind going through a group buy and get your keycaps + switches separately.
>>1014298891. Logitech is literally made in China now for most of their products.2. China is the forefront of mech keyboards. Everything good (and bad) comes from China.3. Get a keychron q6 pro iso version and get italian keycaps off of aliexpress. You can get keychron v6 iso if you don't mind wired only.
>>101429565>G512Dogshit keyboard imo. I've used it with blue switches for 3 or 4 years I think. Never liked it. Getting an actually good keyboard was one of the best purchase of my life. >>101429889>I don't trust chinese keyboardsEverything is Chinese. They can make some high-quality products. It's about the manufacturer not the country. >programming job>italian layoutTake the QWERTY ANSI pill. Way more choices and it's better for programming. You don't even have to learn the letters layout. Ironically US-International is better for writing accents also.
>>101430503>Wtf do you mean by that?He didn't say but I'm gonna go ahead and guess:>high poll rate>n-key rollover>linear switches>no flashy gamer rgb styling
I'm going to switch to ISO for the simple reason that it's more soulful. ISO-US
anyone has a recommandation for some switches? i've had mx blues (which i liked the feel of but the sound was a dealbreaker), razer yellows (found that i hate linears) and now i'm stuck with some mx browns which are kind of meh.looking for something heavy and tactile feeling that isn't excessively loud
>>101431237>that isn't excessively loudNo idea what you consider too loud, so I can't help you.
>>101431258mx blues are too loud. i had them on the cheapest board and case I could find so that probably didn't help. anything quieter than the mx blues would be alright
>>101412986Buy one TKL from >>101419482buy Gaymer HE PCB and alu plate from >>101419059and buy gaymer switch from https://geon.works/products/raptor-he-gaming-switchNow you have the best gaymer keyboard
tactical tactility
>>101431277Ok then any heavy tactile will be ok probably. Boba U4T is the big meme today, Invyr Holy Panda was yesterday's meme. Cherry MX Clear or MX Purple are the Cherry options, but the stems are quite thick and have damaged keycaps for some. Gateron Baby Kangaroo is popular also. I myself have Jwick Taro switches and sorta like them, but they are not factory lubed—for me that was a plus because it means I can break them in more aggressively before lubing, but for most people that just makes them a pain in the ass.If you want to save some money, Gateron Jupiter Bananas are a cheaper switch which also fit the bill, another is Akko purples.
>>101431619thanks anon, i'll check them out
>>101431277boba u4 silents are really nice, although QA is questionablefrom my 90 pcs batch, 10 had chattering problems
>>101431619For MX Clear/Purple isn't the issue that they still have that little bump on the stems for some reason, instead of just being thick? Seems to mainly be an issue for ABS keycaps though, think most PBT ones should be fine from getting cracked, no?
If I wanted to buy on the Geon warehouse sale, do I immediately checkout the keyboard and just follow up with the plate and PCB? Cuz I'm pretty sure the minute it goes up those 722s will get swept up immediately
>>101431237Boba U4T was the biggest recc for heavier tactiles last I checked. I have them and they do feel very premium, really smooth and thocky
>>101431619U4T is an old meme. BSUNs are the latest and greatest, with Pine and Olive tactiles being coming with proper factory lube that blows most other companies out the water.
>>101433263I have been eying the pines. Tried them yet?
>>101431237Just get a pre-owned Topre board from Japan. Don't waste your time with meme MX tactiles.
>>101433360There is always this hint of desperation among those who have paid the topre tax.
>>101413153Either starvingly poor or shit taste.
>>101433281Yes, got them from divinikey, dunno if they still stock it. These things blow every non-modded, non-handlubed switches pre 2023 out of the water. And this is coming from someone that had u4t as well.Also with ly, pok, and every other material being used these days for smoothness, these are bound to be outdated too.
>>101432865Sure, that's probably it. I only know this stuff second-hand—I have exactly one ergo clear that came with a switch testing mix and I never looked too closely at the stem myself.
what controller is this?
>>101433494Think that's where I saw them too back last winter or there abouts. I usually go light tactile but wouldn't mind something a little different. Lubing is kind of zen, starting to enjoy digging ancient switches out of storage and seeing how they handle a bit of grease.
>>101430455Shenpo is the budget king, I have 4 sets all excellent21kb aka XMI is supposed to be better dye-sub, but it does cost more and it's the same blanks. Wish I'd bought the Apple set when Erland did that GB, don't see anyone else offering something like it. don't know a single thing about CRP or originals. Someone somewhere said OG quality is kinda bad, I trust him.
Kicking myself for not buying epbt Dreamscape off ashkeebs during their half off sale. Should have bought both sets I wanted now I wanna die.
>>101433664Thought OG Cherry Dyesubs were highly praised. Guess if I wanted to try out PBTs again, I can look at Shenpo
>>101414466LICHICX Lucy V3 - Nowhere near as much as bobagums and they're factory lubed because I CBA anymore.
>>101433699The FOMO is real.
>>101433664What about JC studio?
>>101430455Shenpo should not be considered anymore now that JC Studio exists. You can get it at a very similar price and JC Studio dyesub quality is WAY better.I don't have a XMI (21kb) set, but they're supposed to be decent, like 30-40usd decent, don't pay any more than that.OG Cherry dyesubs are the absolute gold standard in terms of dyesub sharpness and saturation, but they're not so good in terms of alignment. Here's my OG Cherry dyesub caps lock key (top) compared to GMK (bottom), for referenceAgain, I don't own a CRP set but they're supposed to closely mimic OG dyesubs, unfortunately, unlike OG dyesubs their stems aren't properly recessed, so they sit higher, which can looks shitty.
>>101433956Is the bottom cap a dyesub? Looks sharp enough to be doubleshot.
>>101433997Bottom is GMK (doubleshot)
>>101433526They're actually a bit hard to see with the naked eye, at least on the Purple. Not really sure why Cherry still keeps the stems on them like that, honestly. Probably just too cheap to update the tooling to fix what's been an issue/complaint amongst customers for a while now.
>>101433664>>101433956Including JC Studio, which one is the closest to OG Cherry color?
>>101433263>>101433494I see people say this all the time for some newer switches, but I bet they have ~95+% of the same force curve as U4T/Pandas/etc., just with a different spring.Tactility from bumps on sliders is a bit of a joke. It's a real shame Zeal is sitting on their asses and not updating Clickiez with a lighter version yet, for both clicky and tactile, which they really should just sell as separate options.
>>101434214They're all pretty similar, honestly. Avoid CRP if colour accuracy is a major consideration, they fuck with the colour of their blanks between each round, some rounds of CRP are creamier and some are whiter.
>>101433391it just werks
>>101434595Kind of how I feel about mx browns.
>>101433699>guy who wanted picrel wants to dieunsurprising
>>101434294Sick, I just wanted to make sure since I eventually want to buy the G80-3000 SAV look-alike caps
>>101435001>scared of pastel colorsdon't let your definitely non fragile masculinity get hurt looking at those colors!
>>101435070faggot
>>101435104I'm a girl, loser.
>>101412288I have a bulky old mystery meat Cherry brown keyboard and I'm looking for something smaller (but not too small). Is there anything cheap that can hit these:>75 at smallest>Wired>Non-RGB backlit >Clicky but not too clicky>AluminumThat last part is what's making it tricky, I can't find somthing metal that isn't either tacticool gamur or one of those weird Chinese mushroom brands. Is metal really worth it at like a hundred bucks though? If not I'll just get a Keychron.
>>101435210Think there was a brand called epic gamer or something to the effect which made something very close to that.
>>101435210Budget nigger, tell us your budget
>>101435210you wont be disappointed with a keychron, get a hotswap one so you can try out some different switches in the future as well
>>101435210Geon frog used.
>>101435210>>101292740You can never go back to plasticky shit
>>101435303Full aluminum full sized when?
>>101435122that's right! solidarity!
>>101435303even touching someone else's aluminum board for a minute was enough to permanently ruin plastic for me
>>101435332next month: https://bowlkeyboards.com/pages/pangea-full-size"sediment" and "earth" colors are aluminum top case, the other two are PC top case
>>101435740Interdasting the price isn't totally bonkers either. Thanks anon.
>>101435766price doesn't include PCB, and given that it's a special split pcb... it might end up being a little on the bonkers side
>>101435776Ah, not too keen on the swapping numpad anyway. Seems like a very likely failure point. Might have to let this one ride.
>>101434595I remember hearing that topres change their feeling with use. I'm really worried about thatHow does topre compare to holy pandas?
>>101435800supposedly the guy who designed the pcb is pretty competent and it looks like they've done a lot to make sure it's a solid unit. I don't think it'll fail but I do think it'll cost too much money for a feature very few want. The only use case I can see for this is "I want to try southpaw numpad but I'm afraid I won't like it"
>>101435926>The only use case I can see for this is "I want to try southpaw numpad but I'm afraid I won't like it"That sounds about right. Good for him for making it, but I don't see this one having a big market.
polycarbonate switch housing bottom-out is so fucking annoying in both feel and sound, I hate it so much. It's like the plastic is porous or has a squish to it or something, it's this subtle sensation that's really bothersome
>>101412480anyone know what profile is this called? it's flat and low
idea for an artisan keycap... it just distributes the rgb up into a bulb that diffuses it as far and as evenly as possible. You sell it along with a special mx switch designed to work with it. Then you put it on your scroll lock key and use it as a little night light
>>101436162Does filming do anything to combat this?Asking for a friend.
>>101433699There are sets of epbt dreamscape (and clones) on Aliexpress
>>101435271>>101435303I don't give a shit about wireless but K4 seems like the cheapest hot-swappable metal Keychron. Don't think I'd want to go as small as a K2 Pro and have to mess around with QMK/VIA. Is the aluminum build noticeably better on these?
>>101412288GAY NIGGER TRANNY KEYBOARD GENERAL
bought a magegee on temu for $10
>>101436514meant for >>101430870
>try some newer tactiles>already feel like slightly worse U4Ts, which are okay, but not really anything special>go back to the Chosfox Arctic Fox switches I was dailying for the last few months and immediately feels betterYeah, modern tactile switches are just kinda in a sucky place. Unironically think I like MX Brown and Clear better than most offerings today at this point.The "tactile bump at the top" style of tactility just feels odd, feels more like a hand saw's tooth that's stuck in the last bit of wood, rather than something cleanly gliding/snapping over something else, like click bars/click leaves. At least if the tactility is supposed to be "strong" or on the stronger end, that is. The bumps on Browns and Clears aren't nearly as pronounced, but the otherwise clean, linear press with a tactile event in the middle of them makes the entire keypress feel more consistent and enjoyable to type on IMO.Other than that I think the Chosfox Voyager switches were more enjoyable even than most other "totally not U4T/Panda" switches that make up 95% of tactile switches these days. That's probably because the tactile "bump"/event is ridiculously long on them at basically 2/3 of the entire keypress. Bit fatiguing to type on for me personally though. Apparently they also feel like Holy Bobas, which I've never tried.For the time being I'm gonna stick with click bar/leaf switches if I want some actually nice tactility. Real shame the community has been brainwashed by e-celeb influencers so much they won't even try clicky switches though.
>>101436976I have been driving some JWK cotton candies for awhile with a lot of the same thought in my head. Like that the bump is more in the middle not quite as late as a brown but not as early as these heavies tend to be. Zealies does some good work here but there isn't a ton happening in the tactile scene that really catches my eye right now. I like clickies. For about a week, from there on i find myself reaching for some quiet when I am just reading, and then more and more often until they are back on the shelf. Just aren't for me I guess but as far as sensations go there is a bit more going on with them and that's cool.
>>101437119Honestly for me I don't mind if they're whisper quiet or loud and proud. Love typing on my Model F and that thing is the definition of ping. It's just white noise to me.Now when I'm watching a video or something and go to write something down it is a bit distracting, really typing on anything that isn't "silent" is, but that's kind of whatever and not an always applicable situation. Probably just need to curb the ol' ADHD/autism from multitasking and focus on one thing at a time. Also the fact I have open back headphones certainly doesn't help, almost zero sound blocked.In an office setting I can understand not wanting something loud though, assuming that's the kind of office you're in. Can't say I've ever really typed while reading, at least while actively reading. More so just jotting down notes/bullet points, if I even do that.
>>101436467Yeah but I could have had the real thing for $50 instead of getting some off color clone.
>>101430083>you buy a keyboard and dislike the keys it comes with.I'll just give it back instead of losing my time replacing the keys>You reposition the switches on the pcbwhy would I do that? the logitech site allows me to choose my preferred layout>your left shift key dies after six years of usealiexpress replacement switches costs almost nothing>one of your coworkersnot bringing it to work>you put your legs up on your desk and hit your boardI might be a retard but not this much>your keyboard comes with a "Siri button"I'm not buying a keyboard with a "Siri button" in the first place>>101430577>keychron q6 pro iso versionDoes it come with a cable? I can't seem to see it from their site.>>101430396>did I hope you can solderAlready had to desolder and replace a keycap on a g413 on one keeb of my friend, it was easy enough, just annoying to unscrew 20+ screws>>101430835used it with blue switches for 3 or 4 years I think. Never liked itwhy would you use it for 4 years if you didn't like it?>Everything is ChineseDon't be dense, anon. I was referring to "chinese brands" and well established brands.>>101430503>Wtf do you mean by that?He probably means a keyboard without the rainbowpuke shit that "just werks"
>>101412288>be me>have a friend that managed a server infrastructure in a company>said infrastructure is VERY old>one day get home with two IBM model-M, decides to give me one to make it work>one has ethernet output while the other has AT>look into compatibility and see an arduino project that converts AT inputs to USB>buy a arduino, download the project and compile it>try out the arduino without cables>it works, PC recognizes it as keyboard>ok, time to do the wirings!>follow the instructions>take out its own controller and wire the arduino directly to the PCB wires (this was in the instruction)>doesn't work>wtf.jpeg>test the keyboard output with a multimeter>keys take almost A WHOLE SECOND to let the signal pass>like: press the key, wait ~800/900ms with the key pressed and then hear the "beep" from the multimeterWhat the fuck is the issue? Is the keyboard busted or am I missing something?
>>101438786Not any of those anons, but keychron boards, at least all the ones I've gotten over the years, have all come with cables. You can usually see on their site what all comes included with whatever product of theirs.Also the Q6s I have from them are pretty easy to open, only 8 screws, and they come with a hex key to unscrew them. I'm pretty sure nearly all Q series boards from them are hot-swappable too, meaning if any switches are malfunctioning in the future you can simply pull them out with a keycap and switch puller and put a new one in within seconds.
>>101438786>aliexpress replacement switches costs almost nothingThe idea with hotswap is so that you can just put them in without having to desolder and solder againThe chinese brands are also well-established at this point>I'll just give it back instead of losing my time replacing the keysYou can really only know what switch is ideal for you after using it for a long time. And there is no downside to having the ability to easily switch in the future
Just got my first ever split board! We'll see of I like it. Will have to screw around with mapping the thumbs button and maybe try the tenting
Kinda want to try out he pcb from geon, any input?
quiet tactile switches recommendations?I love my kailh box jades but they piss off everyone around me
>>101438786good for you, buy a piece of shit logitech then faggot
>bought a ducky 10 years ago>it just worksI want to get something "better", but it does just work.
>>101441143Topre.
>>101441143some silent tactiles I guess
>>101441202ducky is fine, don't consoom if you don't have tobiggest gains you could get is on the switches
>>101440823build is a Lotus 58 with boba U4Ts btw
>>1014411432.4mm o-rings work pretty well on any tactile without a box stem
>>101441143I've been very happy with Haimu Whispers, they still 'feel' a bit muted but are nowhere near as mushy as traditional silents (Boba U4 and Durock Shrimp are the others I've tried)
>>101441186I will, thanks.I prefer desoldering than switching keys if they wears out, I'm too autistic not to worry about switch contacts slowly getting worn out
>>101440823Trying out the tenting. Feels surprisingly natural.Really happy I went with the Oled screen in the end. I don't like or have RGB, so it's a nice alternative way to keep track of layers
>>101440823>>101442138very nice
Hey GeeLooking to upgrade from a crappy redragon mechanical keyboard, I was looking at he royal kludge m75. I've only used red switches so far and I this one comes in reds, browns and silvers. Silvers seem super sensitive because they're shorter, would it be best to be safe and pick browns? The keyboard is hot swappable so I could switch later I guess.
>>101441484I don't like hotswap either, loads of custom boards (including pretty much all the good ones) come with solder PCBs
>>101442419Browns are the most popular switch for a reason. If you want something sort of good at everything but exceptional nowhere browns are the go to. Doubt you will hate them but you're also not too likely to live them. Not a bad idea to check them off your list though as they represent a sort of middle ground between more exciting switches and you will have a better idea where you stand later down the line. A good 80% of my collection fall under the header "better browns" so I am definitely a fan.
>>101438786>why would you use it for 4 years if you didn't like it?I don't like wasting things that aren't "cheap" so I used it for a fair amount of time. A good keyboard is a (relatively) substantial amount of money. That means a lot of research before purchasing for me. Never really got around to do it until recently because my keyboard was starting to bug out a little (double key presses). Also got a new job so that was sort of a treat. >denseMotherfucker you are the one who think the chinese can't make good stuff after 30 years of being the whole world's manufacturer. I'm not saying you should blindly trust them, they sure are shady a lot of times when it comes to mass produce cheap shit, but saying they can't make quality products in 2024 is simply untrue. >"chinese brands" and well established brandsA lot of the "well established brands" for custom keyboards ARE chinese.
three any good split keyboards?
>>101444072yeah
>>101444050NTA but the Chinese only good at manufacturing, if I want a good keyboard for life I would go for Korean designer
>>101442419>I've only used red switches so farpretty much any ~50-55g linear with 4mm travel will feel familiar enough. Any switch worth thinking about will have those specs available.
>>101444273>NTA but the Chinese only good at manufacturingWell, ye? That's the point>>101444273>if I want a good keyboard for life I would go for Korean designerWhich brands? I only know Geonworks and its much more expensive than chinese produced keyboards that are considered good.
>>101444394If you're on the budget you can go looking at some Frog TKL, hack then Frog mini, they are very budget-friendly but the anodized finishing is at the endgame levelThey might not sound as good as those F1 but they are up there
any suggestions for skeleton kb (pref full-size) like blackwidow v3 or logitech g413
>any mechshit in $currentYear>not even low profile mechshityou are all a bunch of posers
>>101444625I'm lowkey considering to try to snatch a F1-8X 722 from that warehouse sale. It was all sold out when I was looking for a keyboard recently and I went for a Luminkey80 instead. All chinese but I'm really satisfied with it so idk feels a bit dumb to go for it. Fomo effect kicking in hard I guess. No way I'm getting one of the only 2 units anyway.
>>101445214A chance is a chance and there's still F1-8X V2 extra left(?) in some site
>>101445214Sale will happen on 7/19 GMT+9I'm already selling off my Jane and gambling on that Black WKL 722
>go to work>shitty $10 keyboard>make no typo>get home>$200 mecahical wiht red swich>maek tyopkll me
I remember 30 kits of F1-8X v2 Regal drop are gone in like 22 sec so good luck everyone
>>101445521How tf am I checking out a kit that fast? Jesus
Jesus bros you're not helping haha. >>101445232>F1-8X V2 extra left(?) in some siteA bit expensive but sure looks neat. Maybe in a few years when I'm richer and the LK80 is all used up.>>101445320I'd be going for the WK one but sale starts at 4am on a work day for me so it's not really not happening. Everything is going to be gone in an instant. Good luck to you.
>>101445419Red switches are typo machines. You need feedback to know when you're hitting multiple keys on accident. Use tactiles like an adult.
>>101445648but I game, breh
Tech Bear TB8 is kinda cuter than the cycle8 ngl. I get that Cycle8 sounds better or has better ano or whatever the case for it is, but that accent on the nav cluster looks pretty slick with the right color combos. And the slight bevel that gives the sides a slightly convex appearance... that's hotsoulless TKLs so I'm not buying either, but I'm just saying—I could see someone picking TB8 over Cycle8. I'm not against it.
>>101445780(the bevel)
What is the point of optical switches?
>>101445798last one, I stop shilling now
>>101445824but I still don't want it?
>>101445827neither do I, it's TKL. /spit
>>101445555Regal edition kits are rare item so normal kits aren't going to be that fast
>>101445780>I get that Cycle8 sounds better or has better ano or whatever the case for it isNope, I think they are on par
>>101445837I prefer TKLs, since I'm not an accountant monkey, but the lack of knob makes it meh for me.
>>101445711then get half a split and use reds in that
>>101445869all I know is that keyboard nerds sâ—‹yjak much harder over the cycle8, idk if it's $30 cheaper or something
>>101445888Is there even any tactile switch that does a good job in both gaming and typing? I've seen numerous switches, but I have no chance to try them in a 3rd world shithole, like the European Union.
>>101445910cherry mx brown. Ok some will tell you it's bad for typing, but you know what—those people are fags!
TKL is great. I've started using the navigation cluster more recently. It's really convenient for coding.
box jades on the lock keys only—cringe or kinda slick? I like clicking that numlock on and off
>>101445910Brown for small tactile and clear/purple for medium tactileHard tactile are already out of meta
>>101445948It's a fucking custom keyboard for a reason, you do you nigger
>>101445977I am not asking people to tell me what to think. I ask for input in case I will discover I agree with it. I am trying to figure out what I think by looking at it from all sides.
>>101441143topre unironically, MX tactility doesn't come close
>>101446000Then use this one https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Lock
>>101445935Hell yeah!
I hate when spacebars make like a guttural gurgling kind of noise like gagging on penismy spacebar does this how can I fix it
>>101446038lube the stabilizers
I hate on TKLs because I envy how good TKL enjoyers have it right nowF1-8xCycle8TB8Neo80many options as well for mr moneybags aesthetics enjoyer—e.g. Mode Loopeven your unicomp has better key rolloverit's so fucking unfair. Full size enjoyers have what? Keychron Q6?
>>101446883forgot to mention upcoming spyder... one more W for team TKL. I hate you all so much.
I'm a little confused on how to measure control keys and spacebar. That's 1.5-1-1.5 left & right and 7u for space bar on picrel right? Drop does a sale atm and I was considering the set linked below but it's a 6.25u spacebar apparently.https://drop.com/buy/drop-matt3o-mt3-dev-tty-keycap-set?defaultSelectionIds=962044
Can someone using zmk tell me what I'm doing wrong? Why is it whenever I press printscreen, it does pgdown instead? Is the toggle layer fucking it up somehow?
>>101447070Wait nvm I'm retarded, apparently didn't flash it with the latest file.
>>101447051>That's 1.5-1-1.5 left & right and 7u for space bar on picrel right? Correct
>>101446883>>101446899I can be done with TKLs with F1-8x and Spyder, sick
>>101446883Im already typing on F1-8X but I joined the groupbuy for moreF1-8X is just so good to type on and I think that's it for me for TKL or keyboard in general
>>101447116Thanks for clearing that up.
>>101443607>>101444355yep, going with browns for sure. makes sense to start with them as a baseline. Thanks a lot
>>101447733Good luck anon, I started and ended my journey on browns.
>>101446883>Full size enjoyers have what?perfection
Is rapid trigger a meme and is the DrunkDeer A75 Pro any good?
>>101435808>I remember hearing that topres change their feeling with usetopre fart sniffers say that the domes "age" and get more tactile but in my experience i haven't felt a difference from my hhkb pro 2 or my heavy grail aside from the silencing rings in the former. my realforce also feels different because of the steel(?) plate compared to the plastic of the hhkb.>How does topre compare to holy pandas?holy pandas in my experience were pingy pieces of shit people used in smothered cases filled with foam so they never heard the atrocious spring crunch. as far as tactility is concerned they're fine, but they're unrefined same as every mx tactile. compared to ALPS or topre, mx tactiles just feel like shit.
gimmi a tenkeyless prime day recommendation i'm literally going to buy it right now.
>>101448781woah, look at all this trash on Amazon! This shit sucks! I say get >>101445780while the gb is still going, fuck prime day
>>101446883apparently a zoom 109 and "max" board in the works, but basically radio silence for the last several months since they were "announced"real shame, the renders for the max make it kinda look like a bit more vintage style of a casewould love if it was some high quality hard plastic chassis if they really go that way, something like omnikey boards would be great. things are built like tanks. I could do without the screen on the left though personally, put in some extra keys there instead
fuck it I'll ask it herewhat is the best non-mechanical keyboard?
>>101449250the answers are going to annoy the piss out of you
>>101449250Topre
>>101435808My Tope is over 10 years old, if it's changed over time I can't tell. Maybe if I had a brand new one next to it to compare, but I don't need a brand new one because Topre is literally flawless technology.
So my Keychron K10 shitted the bed after 2 years of heavy use. Multiple keys not working, slow, unresponsive, etcI was thinking maybe changing switches (mx cherry blue) but I was thinking that maybe a new keyboard is the answer.I love this keyboard, how it feels to type and the minimalistic design. I was thinking of sticking to Keychron but I wonder what you guys recommend
>>101450453lol wait nvm I had the brilliant idea of swapping the switch from a random keypad key to a key that wasn't responsive and the switch was the problem.Saved myself a couple hunded bucks. But I guess I have to get some switches.I love the MX Cherry blue switches. Wonder if I could try something different that still has that kind of tactile response.
Anyone here had any success with custom-designed PCBs or self-wiring? I want to get into making custom boards but don't know where to start in terms of design. What software would be recommended for designing boards? I'm looking to make a small custom-wired keypad, I'm thinking to get a 3d-printed or metal case.
>>101450638Sure. ai03's guide is a good place to start. Just ignore the part about using an older version of kicad & use the latest version.
>>101450638Make something small and simple first.https://golem.hu/guide/first-macropad/
I've been on an Apex Pro TKL for over a year now and I'm pretty sick of it. It's one of the best Wooting copies, latency wise, but the build quality is really fucking shit for a $200 kb. Also fuck Steel Series GG software.I've got one of these coming today. Competitive shooters are all garbage right now so I don't give a fuck about downgrading from rapid trigger to no rapid trigger. I spend 90% of my gaming time just playing surf on CS
still rocking my corsair mechanical from 2010, this fucker is a tank
>>101445100low profile. what the fuck anon. you wouldnt really make your little sister use that little spring and short housing you call a switch.
>>101412480Literally what I have been using for years as a professional developer, except mine is the wireless silent touch one.>type during calls/meetings without announcing it to everyone involved>comfortable layout>wireless keyboard + mouse combo in 1 single usb that fits inside the mouse for transportation>lasts around 1.5-2 years of minimum 8 hours / day use>when it breaks the replacement is $30I get that some lf you want expensive toys to play with, but for me it's just a simple tool, and this specific one does the job perfectly so why more
>>101451483Why did you come to this thread then?
>>101450538mx browns
>>101451682Read the last line of his post, dumbo.Mechanical fags are blind, neither they read the post properly, nor they see the amount of money they're wasting of their toy keyboards, as they're blind in that regard, too.
Paper80 for all the RGB gamershttps://shop.wuquestudio.com/pages/paper80-ic
every single 'based $30 membrane' poster has, without exception, never tried a non-shit mechanical board. That's why their posts do not affect me. I know that they just don't know any better
the endura pro would be the perfect keyboard if it had a middle click those TEX keyboards with all the funky layouts are too weird why can't there be just the perfect trackpoint keyboard
>>101454419>with all the funky layoutsit's just a thinkpad layout
I kinda want to try to buy one of those Geon boards tonight just to see if I can
>>101454631Literally everyone should try to get one, with those prices
>>101454677korea shipping is no joke though. keep that in mind. you don't want to be hesitating at checkout
>>101454799Even with DHL Korea shipping they are still too damn low for an endgame board
>>101450708Gayming keyboards have a lot to improve on. They are very slowly getting there. I think Razer in particular will eventually release a GOOD keyboard. Anyway customs pretty much already caught up on gaming memes.
>>101453704the other funny part is none of them have tried or even posted any actual good vintage rubber dome boards either, which are all around $30 on ebay
any decentbudget PBT keycaps? ghost judges any good?trying to find a set that matches my pink Bridge75, preferably with kanji lettering cause I'm learning jp
Is it possible to read a USB port from a Bluetooth keyboard? For example, a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your PC's bluetooth that has a USB port on the keyboard so you can insert a thumb drive?Also, slightly off topic but does anyone have a trusted brand of thumb drives with a keyring attachment that you would recommend?
>>101457434https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007353935167.htmlselect pink option for the pink sublegends
Vala supply gave me a 50% off code for KAM Soaring Sky, but I already bought it off a different site. Anyone want something from their remaining kits?
>>101457580one of our sisters wanted epbt dreamscape, would the code apply to that? or only kam sets?
>>101457563are these keycaps that good? they go a bit above what I consider "budget" but they look cool so might get a set
>>101457661Only that specific set.
>>101457783>back spAce>Enl er
>>101450538hit me up at y3ma@hotmail.com ill give you some free mx blue switches if you pay shipping.
>>101457082What are good vintage rubber dome boards, in your opinion?
>>101458121im not that guy but you can get a keytronic rubber dome from goodwill for $3 and its 90% of the best. the only downside is they did the single unit backspace lol.
>>101457434Anon, you missed the epbt superstar keycaps sale for $55 on ashkeebs a few days ago..
>>101458121look for anything with dome with sliders, BTC dome with slider is my favorite as its MX compatible so you can throw new keycap sets on them https://deskthority.net/wiki/BTC_dome_with_slider#Keyboards
>>101458343>>101458479personally i dont like btc domes theyre kind of scratchy in every experience ive had with them. but thats not a bad argument at least you can put whatever caps you want on them and thats half the experience.
>>101457434https://www.amazon.com/KPREPUBLIC-Matsuri-Hirigana-Doubleshot-Keyboard/dp/B0BSG2RHKCGhost Judges are the baseline of good budget keycaps.
>>101458540yeah they scratch and rattle without mods but for $40 I cant complain, really fun tinkering with them
>>101457783xmi have good reputation. blanks are same as Shenpo's afaik, ie really good thick blanks, and price is just a little higher. If you see people saying they're overpriced, that's because they tried jacking up their prices to like $80 a set for a while.you will always be able to find a few people who will nitpick and be faggots like >>101457849 (I don't know why he thinks he can judge legend quality from a render)
I have the steelseries apex pro pos, and I want to put new keycaps on it. Its switches should be compatible with any cherry keycaps on the market but the faggots on steelseries decided to put the led at a higher than normal position, resulting in some keycaps getting stuck when you press on them. Does anyone know if there's a keycap set that works with this pos? The double shot cherry profile keycaps I tried were not good.I know steelseries sells their prism rgb homo keycaps, but I don't want those. Something black, with no legends and keycaps shorter than OEM profile would be preferred.>why did you buy that keyboardIt was the only full-size keyboard with HE switches available at the time.
>>101454419is there no equivalent of Evdev Middle Button Emulation on your OS?
>>101436171Low profileBruh
>>101412480>Logitech>cheap LogitechYou'd need to pay me for me to use that crap. Fuck Logitech.
>>101459008Something with a tall profile maybe? Mt3s?
I bought this and I'm buying some keycaps now (won't need them for a while, but...)What's gonna go better with this, L9 or WS1?
>>101459008what about signature plastics? they're a bit thinner
>>101458795Hey, I'm just saying how I see it. Those lettering look ass. Reminded me of these shitty $25 Barista clones I got a year ago with those short "t".
hitting f5 on geon's website for the next 1h36m
Good luck, I hope you get the board you like
>>101412851Do these Keebox fuckers think they got scammed or something why aren't they sending out my switches ahhhhh
>>101462781Banned for life from Keebox Store(I would kms... no more Shenpo)
>>101463103>>101463103next thread, failed to cop Geon woes inc
