epoxy on my ram and rom

>>101500972
thanks for stopping by

>>101501232
you are irrelevant

any x301 users?
someone posted fhd mod while ago, interested in replicating
can you shove x230 keyboard into x301?
anyone did bga rework to the less power draw or more powerful cpus?

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I have a 1st gen zbook that is honestly just too fucked up to be anything other than a backup computer and my son's source game, minecraft, youtube machine.
I want to buy something to use for drawing and internet in case of emergencies that isn't some locked down piece of shit or a 5000$ dollar franken monster of a "gaming laptop".
Any suggestions? Any thinkpad worth shit nowadays?

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>>101501244

>>101501368
thinkpad x230
thinkpad t430 if you want bigger screen and easier fhd mod
put in best quad core, max ram

>>101501494
>reading comprehension
Stay in school, kids.

>>101501695
??
its valid answer
full fills use case

Looking to get a ThinkPad for college/runescape/media consumption. I'd like it to be fixable, upgradeable, and not too slow. What model would fit this the best?

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Any w520 users here? Did you try libreboot?

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>>101501706
>"I want to buy something to use for drawing..."
>Anon recommends two non-touchshit models
>Even if you had said X230T, its Wacom interface was crude by digital artists of its day
>it was built for drawing dicks and Hitler moustaches on your boss in the company Christmas photo
What did I miss?

>>101502096
the ibm pointing stick works perfectly fine
you can use dedicated drawing tablet if you want
>>101502071
w530 is better, with w520 keyboard of course
or w520 with w530 motherboard

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Sold my old s*ywork, got an L390Y instead. I've missed thinkpads, oh god forgive me tpg. The keyboard is orgasmic, the trackpoint is heavenly, the build quality gives me the confidence to drop it on concrete, and it's so functional. All of that for $200 rather than $1000! If you're a professional in need of a repairable cutting edge laptop, like if you do VFX or simulations, get the framework. For everyone else, please think about whether you really need it or not because I sincerely believe fw is greenwashed crap larping as sustainable. They literally use corporate memphis in their packaging lmao

>>101500779
Considering getting a T480. My T420 can't really keep up anymore. How's Linux support and repairability? Do modern Thinkpads last forever like the old ones?

I want a T14 Gen 5 but the exhaust fan is at the back. What is the best tray to buy so that I can use it anywhere without blocking the exhaust?

Also, do any new ThinkPads have upward-firing speakers (e.g. from under the keyboard) like the Surface Laptop?

Are the E14 good?

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>>101504812
me wondering the same thing, $aud feels somewhat bad

>>101504812
>>101504868
Basic, "cutting corners" version of ThinkPad. Mediocre, but recently becomes good because T/X series shit themselves. Business wise, E series exist to use excess of wasted, outdated components while the mainstream series move to newer one. Like E series use components exist in T/X series of previous 2-3 gens and mediocre materials. This results in products that "just works" but bare minimum compared to mainstream T/X even L series.

Is it trash by quality, maybe yes compared to T/X series. But is it useless, absolutely not:
Most E series (the crappy old one) I found are very useful & economical as IoT & embedded PCs that only needs to operate on bare minimum specs. For instance: laboratory/factory with lots of instruments (Spectroscopy, Flow Cytometry, Chromatography, etc.). Each of these machines need one dedicated PCs permanently connected to those machines to operate it by software. These PCs' purpose is to run only 1-3 programs maximum related to the machines. Also, these E-Series laptops are stationary & for common use instead of personal use (which T/X series are preferrable)
Even low end ThinkPad E430/530 with intel i3, 4GB RAM, 128GB HDD is more than enough to operate these machines, measure the data, .

Even then, trashy E-Series is still better than high-end consumer grade laptops (like IdeaPad)

>>101503190
i hate fagwork, jeet ceo and loinus shill

>>101505659
wish i could go into a store and actually see E's, but physical stores here don't seem to have them, plenty of ideapads, loqs and yogas

which for the use purpose of being on teams and online classes, and maybe taken to school once or twice a week, seems a bit overboard

>refurbished T
i would, but it's not for me, and i'm not paying for it

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>>101500779
Am I cool enough /g/entlemen? Planning on putting FVM, I tried i3 and I am too much of a brainlet to learn to customize to the level that ricers do here, but want smth with low resource usage.

>>101507669
trisquel/hyperbola/openbsd/9front
ath9k wifi
dwm/rio/fvwm

I use a MacBook but sometimes I bust out my old x200 with arch on it and I use it to write code on until the shitty IPS screen rapes my eyes

>>101506003
Kys racist retard
>>101507897
I guess this could be a good machine to just go libre (and FSF approved), but wanted to try Void for a while should I move to another distro.
Also never heard of rio, and I assume the ath9k wifi is refering to a NIC with OSS firmware? Not planning to do a wifi card upgrade, was looking for 2GB of DDR1 RAM and some mSATA SSD to put into a IDE converter.

>>101508133
ath9k works with linux-libre kernel which is used by trisquel and hyperbola, also wont have issues on openbsd
>Kys racist retard
the laptops designers reflect its shit quality

>>101501785
T14 amd gen 1 or 2

>>101508516
>also wont have issues on openbsd
openbsd doesn't support all ath9k cards

>>101508516
What's with the shit quality you're talking about? If it's about the modules, just buy a multiport dock and stop crying, or make your own port.

>>101508713
>openbsd doesn't support all ath9k cards
that is unfortunate, i am going to guess all the common ones should be
>>101508815
>If it's about the modules
no
its just same garbage modern design
could have just made new coreboot motherboard that fits into old thinkpads but no had to make this stupid new body

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>>101503195
Running Ubuntu MATE 24.04 on my T480, I love it. 64GB of ram was a cheap upgrade, brighter 1080p LCD was inexpensive and worth it in my opinion, 4TB nvme and 1TB nvme (in WAN slot). macOS runs fine on it too if you like, switched back from macOS as my daily driver on here and I'm glad I did, Linux is leaps and bounds faster on the same hardware. Only complaint that the most common 1080p display shipped with the T480 is pretty dim, but it's usable.
If you go on AliExpress you can search for:

"Original New 14.0" extactly model N140HCG-GQ2 IPS FHD 72%NTSC 30pin eDP Laptop Matrix Matte Replacement LCD LED Screen Panel"
and
eDP Cable For Lenovo ThinkPad T480 A485 20L5 20L6 30pins FHD 40pins WQHD LCD Touch Flex Display Cable 01YR501 01YR502 01YR503
if you don't already have the right cable (different T480 come with different cables for the LCD)

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>>101503190
I posted this to r/thinkpad and everyone thought I was baiting, but what would the bait even be? Redditors can't even handle different opinions without attacking and downvoting, how dare someone hate fancy premium technology ig. Reddit has somehow gotten even worse by devolving into a consoomer circlejerk even on the TP subreddit lol

>>101508815
seriously like what's with these framework shills? fuck off, you guys go mental whenever anyone criticizes your enlightened consumer crap. coreboot was one of the few good things fw did right 2s2ag

>>101507526
I would absolutely buy an E14G5 if I needed something new and/or with a warranty. All product lines have regressed (or improved) to mediocrity. And it's got all the features that were hot shit 3 "T" generations ago which are the cheap used ones some people are reluctantly buying now.

When I'm ready for an upgrade in another year or two, that one is on my list.

is P50 good?

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>>101508133
Do you think jeets like you?

>>101507526
Most stores only display consumer grade laptops (Dell Inspiron, HP Pavilion, Lenovo IdeaPad). You can go to Dell store and Latitude/Precision aren't displayed. Most case they'll refer you to see the models online and assume you to know the design/specs by yourself; most customers of those are corporations/institutions buying in bulk)

>which for the use purpose of being on teams and online classes, and maybe taken to school once or twice a week, seems a bit overboard
Actually, Students (school & university) are the main target consumers for E (and L) series for affordable ThinkPad
>Old ThinkPad Edu series (E130/X130e)
>ThinkPad 13, predecessor of L13 series
The mainstream E series E4xx/5xx has dgpu like T4xx/5xx but with cheaper plastic instead of magnesium one.
In Europe, plenty of students can buy new E series with big student discount, and E14, E16 are pretty common. Some have L/T/X/P series but most of them are bought used/refurbished and those are models of 2-5 years ago.

>>101510054
>All product lines have regressed (or improved) to mediocrity.
Yeah.
E series is the first model to ditch the good things from T series. Yet it comes to a plot twist that the recent new T14 copies E14 models (like fan exhaust at back). Also the radical Z series, now all models will follow suit on camera/mic bulge design AND ditching physical key for trackpoint (just like the cursed x40 series, but with haptic touch instead of wobbly physical key) Like the T14G5 (that brought back RAM slots)

>>101509150
>>101509844
Holy shit retarded basedneckbeards, I know that is a dream for every thinkpad cultist, and as much as I'd like that too, there are 2 problems.
1. Patents
2. Low adoption, making the whole "let's not make laptops phones 2.0" thing irrelevant.
You're so fucking retarded it's not even funny. If you wanna shill for a dead fucking idea, chinese shit company, go ahead, IBM is no longer, so the attachment to these things is not even productive.
>>101510146
>twitter screenshot of a possible retarded tinfoilhatter
Get out

got T61... which distro should i go with? I'm new to linux.

reinstalling the windows which it came with... currently on disc 3 of 6 lol

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Found a T440p for $60 with 15 month warranty but a broken trackpad.
>is it worth buying a trackpad?
>is it possible to survive with a dualcore i5
and then is it worth it considering the T440p is megacucked by Intel ME

>>101514609
T440p is libreboot-compatible and IME can be cleaned with it.

>>101514609
Buy a t450 trackpad for it from aliexpress for ~17€ if you use linux it'll just work. One of the easier thinkpads to core/libreboot and neuter ME.

>>101513492
Xubuntu or Lubuntu. How much RAM do you have, and what is your CPU?

>>101514878
intel core 2 duo T7250 and 4 GB RAM

I bought the gaming laptop

>>101509219
Thank you fren, you've convinced me. :-D

>>101500779
is t480 enough to play vidya like minecraft, genshin and valorant?

>>101515726
>best graphic is MX 150 2GB
>genshin
no

>>101515726
good enough for minecraft but no chance running genshin or valorant (chinese spyware games)

Tips for cleaning the rubberized plastic lid of a really old memepad? w520, ive never actually cleaned it before, at most I remove dust with a dry cloth, but never actually cleaned it with water or alcohol. Its starting to feel a bit sticky and I cant tell if its from years of dirt or if the rubber is degrading, thats why im asking a silly question.

>>101510791
> there are 2 problems.
yes but imagine a motherboard that coincidentally fits into older thinkpads and the ports align (no usb c meme)

>>101500779
I like thinkpads but are there any that can compete with an ARM macbook air in terms of weight, noise, and heat? I want to use linux and not macos but it seems the only advantages thinkpads have are durability and repairability.

>>101507669
manjaro sway has really good default configurations, sway is just i3 with wayland
swap to pipewire and even stuff like discord screenshare just werks
you don't need to rice i3 too much imo just copy a minimalist config, same goes for neovim, modify it slowly as you want more shit but I haven't felt the need for adding more to my sway config

>>101516295
Yeah, I don't have to, it exists. However it costs a lot, and you wait a long time for it to ship since they're made in batches and if there aren't enough orders, you can't have those. I wonder what that could fix...
>No usb-c meme
I'd like to have my thunderbolt dock thank you very much
>>101516336
I'm not sure if wayland plays nicely with the ATI drivers, however it's also kinda useless for the purposes of Discord since I barely have enough ram or processor power.
>manjaro
Ew wtf? Also I need a 32bit distro.
Any recs for places with i3 premade configs?

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Bros, do the thinkpad docks (got one for the t440p for HDMI usage) generally shit? Or is this particular one defective? Seems no matter what cable I put it into either the audio or the video would stop working for short spurts, and is really damn annoying. Should I try getting another dock or a mini dp to hdmi adapter?

>>101516528
If you're on 32 bit I recommend you stop being poor instead of wasting multiple days making your own rice, sounds mean but yeah

>>101516573
Wtf that's not my main machine, I bought it for the sole purpose of ricing and just toying on it with different OSes. I am not that insane to daily drive a 2001 machine.

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Best wifi card upgrade for a librebooted x220?

>>101517438
qualcomm atheros ar9462
is whats inside my x230 running heads firmware
its ath9k so fsf approved

>>101516557
Your dock sucks. Mine works flawlesly, even though it's second hand.
Get a new one. Keep in mind these heat up a lot and to me it seems like it blocks some air vents of the 440p.
Never use it with a closed lid.
Also mini dp sucks ass for hdmi - no sound

>>101516557
use a non-meme OS

My X270 came with a dummy battery internally, what should I buy to replace it? Are the chink batteries off Amazon good? Should be the same p/n as what's on a T440-T460 and X230-X270.

https://www.amazon.com/OUWEE-45N1112-Compatible-ThinkPad-Notebook/dp/B084Q3S81T/

>>101518115
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32968271792.html

>>101515968
If it's starting to feel a bit stick or tacky then the rubber coating is likely going bad. I've had great results on my X300 by scrubbing the tacky coating with a microfibre cloth that's damp with eucalyptus oil, I've heard orange oil also works well.

>>101518192
It wouldn't arrive until Sept 24th, iirc it's impossible to air mail lithium batteries so it would have to be a US based seller. Probably getting shipped by sea.

>>101519028
i only use kingenser batteries, always werks and non shit cells

i have no experience with amazion, there are alot of fake reviews so id rather not
but you can try your luck on the one you linked

>>101517675
Ok then, guess I'll have to play the refurbished russian roulette for a new dock then.

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>>101516557
Get a minidp to hdmi. I picked one up at bestbuy for like 8 bucks. I use a t440p as my primary laptop and it works amazing. Highly reccomend XFCE for great display settings so you can mirror or stretch you desktop to a tv with ease.

>>101520380
Does it have not have audio as first anon mentioned?

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>>101521083
My audio works fine. I never had to configure anything, just plug in and choose output as yo would on your device.

>>101510296
>Actually, Students (school & university) are the main target consumers for E (and L) series for affordable ThinkPad
ya, i was referring to the loq ideapads and yoga's being a bit much compared to the E for that purpose, but didn't quite type it out that well

anyway thank you and >>101510054 for the responses

T14s Gen 2(a) vs T14 Gen 1? Does s make it enough worse that a gen older is better? Also what does the a after Gen 2 mean? Is it just a refresh partway through a gen or something?

I'm thinking of purchasing a second-hand Thinkpad T480 for programming. Are the following specifications worth 450€?

I5-8350U, 3.6 GHz
UHD Graphics 620
32 GB RAM
256 GB M.2 SSD
14' FHD IPS (Innolux N140HCG-GN1)

>>101523829
holy fuck no
I just bought a t490 with i5-8365u with 16gb RAM for $300 CAD which is like 200 euros. Your market may just be like that though, idk.

>>101523829
max 100 usd

How good are the integrated graphics in the T15 Gen 1 and Gen 2? I see that the T15s are Intel-only, and I've heard Intel has worse iGPUs than AMD. Can you play modern fighting games on it? Sorry to get into /v/ territory but this still feels like the best place to ask.
Would like to avoid the ones with Nvidia graphics also since I'll be running GNU/Linux on it.

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>MFW my Lenovo IdeaPad Gaming 3 will arrive at my house VERY SOON
Don't even tell me that I'm posting in the wrong thread. I'm posting in the correct thread.

The Lenovo sells objectively amazing laptops.

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I have an old Lenovo T61P pic related and I was thinking of turning it into a Linux without a DE question is I can't tell which to install too keep the machine in working order.

Other thing is I been saving around 400€ i wanted to buy new ThinkPad.
I'm honestly clueless about what model since I will only use for personal Linux stuff.

Kinda expecting disappointment with the new models cause no way they will be as tough as my T61P.

>>101525446
BunsenLabs

>>101524753
Debiru is for Loonix!
Shamiko is for Bimbows!

>>101523829
For that price just get the m1 Mac mini and thank me later

Is there a 12-13.3" MacBook worth using in the same price range as a T480? I don't understand their model numbers or product line succession.
Use case is general officeshit, browsing, and media consumption. And I would run Linux. Historically not a fan of MacOS but might give it a second look.

>>101525446
Alpine with i3wm

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>>101500779
What's the deal with this? Real issue or nothing burger?
>t. x230 user

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Gonna shill my site for a bit.
used ebay prices for thinkpads in the image and to my website.

https://dankpads.com/lenovo-thinkpad/tpg-v9-july-2024/

Working on a spreadsheet so I can graph the price differences along the years.

IDK how to use MySQL, but want to make a reference kinda like everymac.

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I'm looking to make a table like notebook check has for their top 10 displays
>https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Best-Notebooks-with-the-Best-Displays.120541.0.html

And I want to make a big webpage like CPUbenchmark.
>https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

I like those scrolling tables on wikipedia but I don't even know (ignorance) how to make a scrolling table on wordpress....

>>101527836
Should OP be updated or can you make that URL point to this latest version?

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I just got a t480 "genuine" (backlit) keyboard in the mail but I suspect it isn't genuine. It doesn't look as shitty as some of the others online but the trackpoint has a different hole underneath the original (non-backlit) keyboard my t480 came for. It also has a sticker that says it was made in 2023. How can I know if I got a fake?

>>101500972
meds

>>101524154
I mean maybe you could play them on the Intel if they're 2D, but I'd def get something with an AMD CPU of the same era, like 4750u or 5850u

I have a x1 with i5 8365u and t14 with 4650u, the amd iGPU is straight up 2-3x faster in everything, and for the most part the AMD is limited to 720p to get 60fps in anything 3D

>>101527590
i made home made pcb for this and 3d printed own case for it for my second x230, so far pretty nice

but there is nothing wrong with original charger, unless your old one is dying and making annoying noise there is probably no reason to go for this

i made the usb c mod so i can use new chargers, in fact im using macbook m1 charger with my x230 like maximum autist

Is buying a used thinkpad off of walmart a good idea? What are the chances they come with malware or some other bullshit?

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>>101500779
Hardcore ThinkPad for hardcore user!:

Which ThinkPad laptop is best, such as the X220 or X230? I'm looking for something that can handle heavy browsing, 1080p movie, and compiling small

>>101530186
i use thinkpad x230 with quad core and fhd mod for exact same stuff
compiling big stuff though

What is the newest/best motherboard i can fit in in a x220 chasis? I've only seen 230s being used but I'm wondering if we can do better

>>101528570
Nah, i will have to update the TPG page eventually.
I still gotta do the visual guide for the 80's IBM & 90's ThinkPads.


>>101530085
You're buying from Walmart itself or from a seller who distributes from Walmart?

You're gonna want to clean OS anyways.

>>101530805
X230 mobos can fit, X230s was a X240s but w/ ivy bridge.

X2100 comes with an i7-10710u or i7-10510u.
>https://www.xyte.ch/shop/x2100-pricing/

>>101530186
I would stick my 3,5mm trrs jack into her, if you know what I mean.

>>101530811
bring back xx30 into op

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Kind of a silly question, is it possible to adapt an "extension" plug to one of those old barrel power bricks?

>inb4 why not use a mains extension cord
Cant.

The idea is using this with a 135w power brick w520. Because it's DC I don't know what the maximum distance I can safely extend would be, and it actually draws +100w from the wall so I want to know if there's an 'aproved' solution. I'm not sure what wire gauge I'd need to use if I were to do it myself.

>>101530824
And how plausible is to do the better upgrade? Or is this huy the only vendor?

I'm seeing some T480 machines with a 8550u and some with a 8650u. Seems like a negligible clock speed difference. Does shit even matter?

>>101533151
no, you can check intel ark website for specs

>>101529665
I'm shopping for a friend and he thinks he needs a numpad for some reason, otherwise I was also leaning AMD. Is there a non-T of that era that's AMD, 15" w/ numpad, and worth getting?

>>101532045
How far are you trying to extend it

just bought a T42 with the intention of installing Archlinux32 on it
my prior linux knowledge stems from installing Pop!_Os and using cowsay :D
how FUCKED am i

>>101534388
there is script to autoinstall, no problem
get ath9k wifi card and install hyperbola.info which is freeturd version of arch with forever i686 support

>>101534388
You will be fine if you can read and be patient and ask for help as needed. I would join their IRC channel ahead of time in preparation. Usually the partitioning is the hardest part in these minimal installers because you're using something like cfdisk or fdisk instead of gparted.
You could also start reading the install guide now and plan out what you're going to do somewhat.

>>101534388
>installing Pop!_Os and using cowsay
the most technically proficient ThinkPad general poster

Does anyone know how Linux compatible T14 G5 AMD is?
I would buy G3 AMD used but there is no market here unfortunately.

>>101525446
i use a t61 with intel graphics as a daily driver with arch and dwm, works great. can browse the web just fine, 10-15 firefox tabs open at a time, youtube plays at 720p 30fps fine with h264ify. you'll probably want to use nouveau drivers with your nvidia gpu.

install middletons bios if you havent already, get an ssd in it, a t9300 and 4gb ddr2 (8gb is too expensive to be worth it). if you have an older merom cpu (t7***) the specs arent that different but the penryns will run much cooler.

Are any of the AMD ThinkPads on par with the performance of a Steam Deck?

>>101534717
Accurate. And you can undervolt your CPU as well to get better battery and temps.

What are your thoughts and experiences with touchscreens /g/ents? I was thinking of purchasing a new thinkpad with touchscreen, but I'm not quite sure whether it's worth the hassle with the battery drainage and supposed poor linux support...

>>101535811
ibm pointing stick forever

dear /tpg/
what is the general consensus on threshold of "cosmetic damage" before it become a dealbreaker if you want to buy an used laptops at marketplaces?
Cracks are obvious one, but are few smudges at lower chassis (which are invisible during operation) acceptable? Is one scratch tolerable? How much of scratches (and how big are they) as the off limits?
>Found nice X1 Extreme G2 with small spots of "peeled paint" for $400

My T420 just won't die and it's honestly amazing

>>101537279
Function over form. As long as the screen and keyboard aren't fucked up, I don't care. And I might not care about those either if it's cheap enough to replace and still come out ahead on price.

Busted hinges are a deal breaker. I'm not epoxying the whole case back together and treating it with kid gloves the rest of its life, and new chassis are not easy to come by for reasonable prices either. eBay sellers are fucking retarded trying to sell these for way too much.

>>101537279
veteran status

>>101534230
5 meters on top of normal cable length (1.2mts I think)

what would you say is the best 12" thinkpad?
I'm quite happy with my X230 without webcam

The ol' t430 is finally getting long in the tooth.
I'm on the hunt for a new chinkpad, is it worth throwing an extra $100-150 at a T14 over a T480/490?

Any specific ones I should look out for? I read gen 1 and 2 have upgradeable ram

>>101538270
X230i probably. 90% performance for 80% battery consumption of i5. They're also don't run that hot. Handles just about everything adequately. Definitely not a gaming machine, but you're not getting a 12" shitbox for gaming - although doom & openttd runs clean on it.
Also wwan slot and sim card slot. I hike sometimes just to fuck around with GPS. Very good project laptop. Requires a bit of hackjob to secure it from breaching (hotglue+glitter +antitamper sticker for screwholes, possibly cover the bios chip with epoxy, encrypt disk and bootloader.)

>>101538844
The crybabies will shriek about some capacity of soldered RAM but it's a non-issue. The screens are far better. I think the T14G2 is the return of the 16:10 screen (maybe it's the G3?), but the keys are slightly shallower. All told I'd say yes buy newer. There's no point in coping and halfassing it with the T480. Either keep your T430 running, or buy as new as your budget will allow.

>>101538844
If you want something that's actually decent and modern, t14 g1 with 4650u or 4750u is the best deal. 8gb models generally have 8gb soldered and 1 free slot, if it's bought factory with 16gb it'll have 16gb soldered and a free slot. If you want more than 16gb, buy a 16gb model.

I bought a 8gb 256gb ssd model for $217 and added $25 8gb RAM and $50 1tb nvme, it's gud

>>101535811
I used an X220T for a while and it was occasionally entertaining to draw/scribble on the screen or to read manga on it in portait mode and then tap to go to the next page. If the screen can't rotate around then I'm not sure it would be as interesting. Reaching past the keyboard sounds potentially annoying. Maybe could still be useful for looking at big schematic pdfs and zooming and panning around with gestures. Do the new ones still use Wacom for the touchscreen or is it something else?
If it doesn't cost much extra and doesn't make the screen look worse, I would probably get it. Someone buying your machine in 10-20 years might appreciate it having a less common feature anyway.

>>101537279
I don't want scratches on the screen or broken plastic near vents/hinges and such. I don't mind a scuffed up lid too much. A white sponge/magic erased can often get a nasty lid looking a lot better anyway.

Frens, I'm getting into astro-photography and I might want a Thinkpad with a decent (ie recent) CPU for image stacking.
Are the latest models really that bad?

>>101537499
You will need to use thicker wire, why not snip off the cord at each end and extend it with some large gauge wires

>>101526764
I got an XPS 13 for $150 that is better than any similar sized macbook

>>101535822
based

I can't find a weeb X220 keyboard for my X230 so I am planning to just buy one from Yahoo Auction.

Does someone here have any experience running a server with an X220? The only plan I have for that X220 rn is PiHole.

My GF needs a cheap laptop for a call station job. Thinking about getting this
https://a.co/d/einc29r
Which is an Ideapad 1 for those who are scared of amazon links.
Is there anything better and cheaper? I need it quick, fast and in a hurry.

>>101544488
8GB of RAM seems a bit low these days, and I'm not sure if IdeaPads are any good, but aside from that it's probably okay. Hard to beat Prime™ shipping if you're in a hurry, otherwise I would maybe dig around on eBay for a ThinkPad T14.

>>101544589
I am not sure what requirements regular software even needs these days. Ill look for something with 16. Thank you.

>>101544589
if everything is done in a web browser, 8gb is fine but throw in something like outlook+teams and it will choke
>>101544488
isn't it pretty weird that you would need to purchase your own equipment for a job?

>>101544702
You mean like needing a car to get to work? We are slaves with none of the benefits.

>>101544737
more like working in a sweatshop and they still expect you to pay for your own sewing machine

>>101544762
Supply and demand. Theres 1 million children willing to buy their own sewing machine that you are competing with.

There's a specced out lg gram (32 gb ram / 2tb ssd / mobile i7) on sale at a nearby store for around $1200
Convince me to get a ThinkPad instead

>>101546047
I'd say no just because it's Intel and mobile Intel just sucks right now. Maybe their TSMC stuff will be good.

>>101544589
I'd agree with the others 16gb would be prudent. And if she's working from the laptop only with no external peripherals, the 15-16" monitor would be preferred. idk if id step down to a 14" laptop for all-day work. Either that or get her a secondary external monitor.

>>101544668
The main problem is the web got bloated, single page can use 500mb in a browser these days.

I bought my gf a 8gb RAM x1 carbon i5-8365u but only because it was mint and dirt cheap. She had a 15.6in acer aspire thing with a 2ghz dual core 4gb ram 1366x768 pos that weighed in at 4.6lbs, since she's a limp wrist the 2.4lbs 14in x1c is perfect for her uni stuff. I know she's pretty much a potato and only uses one browser tab at a time and maybe 2 programs.

>>101543924
You can run pihole on a rpi zero. An x220 is arguably a waste of space and money in terms of upfront cost and electricity for that task. Nobody is going to appreciate your super cool weeb keyboard either when you're going to ssh into it or use the webui anyway with the laptop sitting in a closet somewhere lid closed. Not saying don't go for it but just pointing out some flaws in your plan.
Also now that your cool new laptop is tethered to your router pulling pihole duty you can't really pull it out to fiddle with it either.

bump

>>101543924
>I can't find a weeb X220 keyboard for my
https://www.ebay.com/itm/334609910313
this is what i got for my x230, is real

can someone please teach me how to safely remove chicklet keys (t530)? i found these:
https://pcbisolation.com/blog/lenovo-t450s-key-replacement/
https://youtu.be/P_U_VzVxgK4?t=96
https://youtu.be/K_X8FfcaV18?t=27

only the last link is my exact keyboard, but he makes it look so easy, and he only uses a fucking toothpick, whereas every other video recommends/uses a flathead screwdriver, which i can't get my hands on right now (i only have a thumbtack). the first link is an article with two photos of a dude showing he does it with his fingernails. the second link is the one i trust the most, because he is the only one i've seen so far say to press down on the "retainer clip" to prevent the possibility of damage. quite simply, it appears i would not be able to do that without a flathead screwdriver, so maybe i should wait. but i wish i knew the philosophy for removing it (relatively safely) with a toothpick like the third guy. i just don't get it. i really don't want to fucking break anything, but trying feels like i'm forcing it

>>101549491
all ways mentioned will work
if you break some switches you can get >>101548209 to pimp out

>>101549875
thanks. it helps my paranoia. if i'm confident enough to remove one, i'm sure i could figure the rest out

what i want:
>small Laptop, 13" preferred but 14" is okay
>light but not feeling cheap
>at least i7
>comes with/upgradeable to 32 MB RAM
>Screen that doesn't rape my eyes
was looking at xps 13 and t14's, anyone got experiences or other models i should look into? Budget is 800€

>>101549952
thinkpad x230
16gb ram
i7 means nothing btw
buy cheapest offer and keep it forever

>>101549966
I'm not gonna buy a duo core laptop that doesn't even have a 1080p screen but thanks for the reply anyways

>>101550318
if you are crazy then you can buy modded motherboard with quad core and fhd mod kit

>>101550362
i consider myself to be reasonably sane. Maybe one day as a project but right now i'm just traveling a lot and wanna work while on the train and shit without having to lug around my huge 16" workstation laptop all day

>>101549491
does anyone know of there is supposed to be stuff stuck to the bottom of the "H" key? there was for me, and i am freaking out. the elevator thing. i can't get it back in. i didn't remove every key; only the ones around the clit

>>101550510
there was this recent post
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/101459258/#101465197

but i dont think theres inherently anything wrong with the new thinkpads (t14 and x13)

try taking a look at x390, its cheap and could suffice although still 16 gb of ram

Which ThinkPad laptop is best, such as the X220 or X230? I'm looking for something that can handle heavy browsing, 1080p movie, and compiling small

I need help, brehs. Anyone knows why my laptop's fan keep starting then stopping then starting again, while making a buzzing sound in between? It can't be dust since I just cleaned it like a month ago (for the first time). And on occasion, it already had this problem before I cleaned it.
Model is 5th gen X1 Carbon.

>>101552144 (me)
It seems like it does that buzzing sound on boot and on heavy cpu load.

>>101551588
you want something out of the p series, at least 32gb ram

>>101551588
I have a T440p and it struggles a bit with too many browser tabs (more than 10 or so in qutebrowser) or playing back some anime/movies, especially if I'm taking screenshots a lot. So I would recommend going newer than that at this point. Maybe a T14. I don't know if the equivalent X series models are any good these days. I used to use an X220T and that had been feeling too slow for a long while already. T14 Gen 1 and 2 are available under $400 on eBay, so the older models probably aren't much cheaper anyway.

do any of the P series use AMD CPU/GPU?

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>>101552144 (me)
the fan isn't currently running btw.
it started at 0, did some heavy cpu load to test it, fan starts, buzzes, stops, now at max int value or something in lm-sensors.

>>101552619
I also have a T440p, runs Win10IoTLTSC off an i5-4330, and it doesn't struggle with over a dozen tabs or anime/movie playback as long as it is not 4k60fps, it can handle 4k30fps at most. 1080p always runs smoothly, though its screen is just 1366x768.
Just 8GB RAM, pagefile disabled as I don't see the need.

Any P70 users here? I want a big laptop, but the P70 series is really big. Is it too big?

>>101546126
what's so bad about mobile intel? is the performance that bad compared to desktop?

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>>101520380
Wallpaper, please?

>>101500779
I have very stupid idea.
>Buy SLS 3d Printer
>Build Sintering chamber in my backyard
>Buy injection Molder
>Design PCBs and get them printed by PCBWay or JLC-PCB
>Design and Build my own thinkpad inspired laptops without the brand name
Got this retarded Idea because I love my T540p but it's getting unusable slow, also new batteries cost more than a T540p. Then I got the idea to just custom build a new mainboard with a ryzen or something. And then I went a step further, if that works, I might even consider doing the stuff above.

Would you lads buy something like that?
What features would you want to see in those laptops?

>INB4 can't be done
It's been done before: https://www.xyte.ch/

>>101554944
ive been thinking about doing the same, funny enough

>>101554944
>>101555166
>Tow dubs in a row
It's a sign. Let's do this lmao.

>>101555256
my only hardware experience is designing usb c charging board pcb for my thinkpad x230 (with diode hack to go from 20.6Vto 20V, 20.6V is what is supplied by a macbook charger and after doing some research that would be enough to kill the thinkengine charging control chip on motherboard)

i am currently busy doing my own linux and coreboot distribution from scratch using stage0d compiler

i thought of making mods for thinkpad x301 (inspired by some other poster) such as home made fhd mod kit, figuring out usb c and maybe somehow moded DAC?
tracing the motherboard could give me enough knowledge

if i designed a laptop motherboard it would be as simple as possible, small
no ports aside from charging port and single usb A
instead of new ryzen, some old celeron because maybe simpler to make?

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>>101524753
Prepare to be driven crazy. Most if not all IdeaPad Gaming 3 laptops have this strange stuttering problem that happens every other day. I've lurked on forums to see if there's a sound solution, but no avail.
>example of the issue
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX9tUHu3Lvo

I'm still using mine, had it for about 2 years now and it's still putting up a good fight minus the stuttering problem.

>>101555433
>my only hardware experience is designing usb c charging board pcb for my thinkpad x230
I've designed a few PCBs as replacements for failing parts in an escape room, including a half-duplex common communication bus for RS-485 and stuff. I still need to get into High Speed Signaling myself.
I also did some USB-C charging and communication stuff, but it's not too much, I mostly replaced decades old russian systems which were easy enough to get into.
>i am currently busy doing my own linux and coreboot distribution from scratch using stage0d compiler
Impressive, I also considered creating a distribution, but I hadn't had the time yet. I've even fantasized about creating my own unix-like from scratch, but that's quite a different ballpark
>if i designed a laptop motherboard it would be as simple as possible, small
Agreed for a first model which then will be extended over time
>no ports aside from charging port and single usb A
If you can do one USB A, you can probably do USB-C as well with a little more effort. And I'd rather do a few of those rather than a proprietary charging and one USB-A thingy.
>instead of new ryzen, some old celeron because maybe simpler to make?
Old celerons are too old to learn something from I'd wager. For a first device, alright, but older ryzen mobile or a few year old intel mobile CPUs could be a great trade-off for intermediary devices.

Also checked those dubs.

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>>101554906

can someone recommend me a laptop? i'm looking for an msi (because of the gummy keyboard) that stays very cool with 24gb+ ram, 8+ cores, and no gpu

>>101555745
>If you can do one USB A
the usb A would only be used for this
https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop/nk3am-nitrokey-3a-mini-149#attr=
although i suppose it could be implemented directly to the motherboard
https://github.com/Nitrokey/nitrokey-3a-mini-nrf52-hardware
https://github.com/Nitrokey/nitrokey-3-firmware

it would be funny because it could be first (?) laptop with built in pgp hardware key

the reason for me designing own laptop would be for security maybe learning more than anything

ie no ports would mean no firewire DMA attack etc
pci could be avoided and wifi could be figured in own way ie https://pine64.org/devices/pinenut/

>I've even fantasized about creating my own unix-like from scratch
probably not that hard, will take longer if you decide to make your own compiler and language

>then will be extended over time
if i kept designing hardware it would always be the simplest, following DARPA rules and some stuff inherited from software minimalism

>>101555866
>the usb A would only be used for this
>https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop/nk3am-nitrokey-3a-mini-149#attr=
Interesting
>although i suppose it could be implemented directly to the motherboard
Wouldn't do that unless it is (reasonably) removable.
>the reason for me designing own laptop would be for security maybe learning more than anything
That's a good reason, question is do you need that much security. i.e. do you expect three letter agencies to kick down your door?
>ie no ports would mean no firewire DMA attack etc
True, but if you've got any connection to the outside (WiFi, anything that can use the Internet Protocol, etc.) combined with a CPU that has vulnerabilities, it'll still be only be a matter of time until they break that.
>if i kept designing hardware it would always be the simplest, following DARPA rules and some stuff inherited from software minimalism
Same question as above: What's the use case here? If you went these lengths, shouldn't you try to build a custom CPU as well, considering the backdoors and vulerabilities? A 17 year old managed to build his own CPUs with a lithographic process, I bet a /g/entooman could do so as well.

>probably not that hard, will take longer if you decide to make your own compiler and language
I daydream about creating a software+hardware ecosystem like Apple has, but one that does not suck as much.

>>101556178
>Wouldn't do that unless it is (reasonably) removable.
interestingly enough, there is something like "nitrokey" inside smartphones, it is used to store encryption keys and generate random numbers

and interestingly enough inspiration leaks everywhere
https://grapheneos.org/faq#roadmap
>Over the longer term, i.e. many years from now, Linux can fade away completely and so can the usage of virtualization. The anticipation is that many other projects are going to be interested in this kind of migration, so it's not going to be solely a GrapheneOS project, as demonstrated by the current existence of the gVisor project and various other projects working on virtualization deployments for mobile. Having a hypervisor with verified boot still intact will also provide a way to achieve some of the goals based on extensions to Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) functionality even without having GrapheneOS hardware.

>combined with a CPU that has vulnerabilities
out of question and not relevant to me as long as its not remotely exploitable
ie i dont update microcode and run without mitigations because i think its a joke
if you mean exploit in wifi hardware -> read and write memory then sure possibly
https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/malware-adware/urgent-windows-security-flaw-lets-hackers-infect-your-pc-over-wi-fi-update-right-now
if there was no pci (meaning custom way of doing wifi card) then it should be secured enough and there should be no way of hacking as long as you define the protocol well enough

>shouldn't you try to build a custom CPU as well
if i did that i would make my own architecture and rules, and so that would mean EVERYTHING from scratch including all software

>i.e. do you expect three letter agencies to kick down your door?
out of question, having secure hardware has nothing to do with avoiding LEA
it is more of learning and research topic, see how well you can fine tune a build

(too long)

>>101556178
>>101556368
>I daydream about creating a software+hardware ecosystem like Apple has, but one that does not suck as much.
thats funny because i would aim for the exact opposite

i would promote use of only one device (not full line up of various accessories)

thinking it would be good to have secure idea freedom respecting enough
ie
fab hardware (or apply own changes first) -> everything is mostly a thing you have to put together -> seal and isolate things as you wish (tamper evident screws, epoxy on sensitive areas)

as opposed to macbook like design (everything comes ready, you are not really meant to apply any changes)

letting you apply any changes before assembling means you wont have to open it up in future, possibly

only thing that could be hot swappable should be the battery (including cmos)

>>101556440
here is some more stuff that i would research into when designing own hardware

https://www.rtl-sdr.com/deep-tempest-eavesdropping-on-hdmi-via-sdr-and-deep-learning/

it should be hardened against eaves dropping
anti display cable leaks
anti keyboard cable leaks

also fanless design just cause

>>101554813
It's not that performance is bad, it's that power efficiency and heat is bad. AMD's chips are made on a more efficient process. In desktops you can just ignore the heat and power bill but laptop you notice the heat on your lap and they'll throttle.

Intel has no answer to chips like the 7840u and 8840u

>>101557390
hmm, is "intel invented x86 and so developing on it is more correct" a meme

>>101500779
i'm in san francisco for a moment. is there a good place there to buy a high quality laptop? i figure the tech capital of the states might have some decent deals

>>101553552
>1080p always runs smoothly
It's not always that simple. The codec can make a huge difference. h265 is a lot harder to deal with, AV1 even moreso. A lot more anime releases, particularly from fansubbers, are h265 now.
I should also mention that on-paper I shouldn't struggled with the things that I do, but this thing runs so fucking hot that it is often thermal throttling, so the theoretical performance is rarely hit real world because my CPU is cooking itself. I've got the i7-4710MQ and I run it with the lid closed in a docking station 24/7. I suspect the dock makes the thermals even worse than usual.
>pagefile disabled as I don't see the need
That is probably a bad idea. You generally want SWAP space regardless of how much RAM you have. Stuff is constantly using both and performance will just degrade if you disable SWAP.

>>101555862
MSI does not make ThinkPads or any similar business-oriented laptops that I'm aware of.

>>101558203
AMD invented the currently used implementation of x86-64, though, and Intel uses it. This is why GNU/Linux ISOs will say amd64. Intel had IA64, Itanium. It didn't do well.

>>101558295
I would expect inflated prices due to rich people living there

>>101558369
so it doesn't matter? the other thing is i can't find anything of this price point with the same specs, let alone a thinkpad

>>101558385
It shouldn't matter, as far as I know.
Are you only looking at new machines? You can find a ThinkPad T14 Gen 2 on eBay for under $500, then put in more RAM and a bigger SSD if it doesn't come with as much as you want.

>>101558425
>Are you only looking at new machines?
yeah, i don't really want to bother with wear and tear in any circumstance
also the gram is super light which is a plus for me

>>101558425
>>101558468
also apparently that's an i5? a bit underpowered for heavy development workloads i'd think

>>101558351
MSI makes business laptops, and thinkpads are not related to MSI but i thought i'd ask here because this is the only laptop thread there is.

>>101558479
>also apparently that's an i5?
You must be new to this... The machines, new, could be configured more than one way. You'll find them with more than one screen resolution and CPU and so on. If you want an i7 or a Ryzen 7 you can filter your search more. Not everyone paid for the more expensive upgrades so the used market does get flooded by lower tier configurations a bit, but you can usually find the good stuff out there as well.

They aren't that great. Had one for 2 years, second hand. CPU fan went crazy. Replaced, happened again. They're nice while they last though.

>>101558541
To me a business laptop is a ThinkPad, EliteBook/Z-Book, Latitude, or Precision. They have a pointing stick in the middle of the keyboard and an upper set of mouse buttons for use with that pointing stick, sometimes but not always including a middle click mouse button as well, which can also be used for scrolling with the pointing stick. A business laptop is not just any laptop that your work gave you to use. Business laptops are usually easier to service and get support for as well, and if they have a discrete GPU it's more likely something like a Quadro or other workstation GPU rather than the consumer ones made for playing video games. Does MSI make something like that?

>>101558596
yes. but anyway. all i'm trying to do is find a laptop with a very low heat, not shitty performance, long battery life, and gummy keyboard just like MSI keyboards. lenovo used to make them that way but now doesn't apparently. lenovo keyboards fucking suck now

>>101558669
I have no idea what you mean by "gummy keyboard" or why you consider it a feature. IMO there are no good laptop keyboards and if you care about quality at all you should be hooking up your own mechanical keyboard when you're at a desk for a while with it.
It sounds like you know what you want better than anyone here will so I'm not sure what you need from us. Can't you just go to MSI's website and look through all their models now?

>>101558837
>IMO there are no good laptop keyboards
absolutely wrong. my msi keyboard is absolutely hands down the best keyboard i've ever used on a laptop. "no good laptop keyboard" means i guess you don't know quality or can't distinguish one keyboard from another, very bizarre statement. do you not have fingers? keyboard quality is literally everything in a laptop. the laptop could be amazing but if it has a shit keyboard it's a shit laptop.
> Can't you just go to MSI's website and look through all their models now?
well I did and they don't seem to have it so I'm asking for advice because maybe I overlooked something. they don't seem to make business laptops with above 16gb ram. very odd. but i guess business people don't need more than 16?

>>101558976
>"no good laptop keyboard" means i guess you don't know quality or can't distinguish one keyboard from another, very bizarre statement. do you not have fingers?
The problem is actually that I raised my standards beyond the point almost any laptop could meet them. I used a columnar stagger split ergonomic mechanical keyboard now, programmable with QMK and using the Workman layout. Laptops use row-staggered keyboards, they aren't split, they have a bunch of huge keys wasting space, they aren't usually reprogrammable at the firmware level, and doing it in the OS tends to be a lot more jank. The MNT Reform is probably the only laptop that I would say could have a good keyboard, maybe the Framework if the ortholinear keyboard module for it gets made like OLKB was talking about in the past. I was holding back unleashing this autism on you because I doubt you care, but you hit me with your own autism, so here we are.
Also let's go back to this
>my msi keyboard is absolutely hands down the best keyboard i've ever used on a laptop.
>on a laptop
Yeah? How about on a desktop? How about in general? I just can't go back to shitty laptop keyboards anymore, not for anything more than a brief period of time. Things are in the wrong spots, they're the wrong shapes, and they tend to be too low profile for a satisfying actuation, but the feel of the keys is probably the least important aspect as I can barely type on normie keyboards anymore. I do like a nice crisp clicky switch, of course, but the other issues just matter more.
Anyway, good luck finding your laptop. Maybe someone else here will have some ideas.
>they don't seem to make business laptops with above 16gb ram
The ThinkPad W520 (which is Intel Sandy Bridge, quite old) could have 32GB of RAM. I really just don't think MSI makes business laptops. Go configure a ThinkPad, EliteBook, and so on. Or a frame.work. They can all have well over 16GB of RAM.

>>101558567
>You must be new to this
yes, i'm taking all the advice i can get
is there any real harm to buying a used laptop, like with wear and tear? are the amd models of the laptop you suggested any better than the intel ones? what do i lose getting a cpu that's a few generations old?

>>101559197
>is there any real harm to buying a used laptop, like with wear and tear?
Business laptops tend to be built a lot tougher than consumer ones. Avoid stuff like broken hinges or cracked cases near vents, but I wouldn't worry about a few scuffs or scratches. Used to be you could run a ThinkPad over with a car, and the screen might break, but everything else would work, and replacing the screen isn't too hard.
>are the amd models of the laptop you suggested any better than the intel ones?
The integrated GPUs are significantly better and power usage is a bit more reasonable usually.
>what do i lose getting a cpu that's a few generations old?
Support for certain video codecs in the iGPU in some cases, or extensions like AVX-512 which may make certain specialized tasks faster. You can check if stuff like this is supported in a specific CPU or generation before buying if you're worried, but if you aren't sure what you'd be missing, you probably don't have anything to worry about. If you bought too old of a machine you might also be lacking a TPM which would mean it's harder to install Windows 11, but with something like a ThinkPad T14, they're all plenty new enough for that. The first gen T14 is from 2020, which still isn't all that old.
Since business laptops are bought in huge quantities by a company, they're also sold off secondhand in large quantities every few years when they do a refresh. That's why we get these machines that were well over $1000 new for a fraction of the price.
If you aren't experienced buying used, just look over the pictures on the eBay ad really well. You can ask the seller if you have any questions about the condition that weren't clear from the description or pictures. You could also stick to listings that allow returns to give you the option to send it back if something unexpected happens after it arrives, like some damage you couldn't see before. I've had pretty good experiences usually when buying ThinkPads from eBay.

>>101559067
>I was holding back unleashing this autism on you because I doubt you care, but you hit me with your own autism, so here we are.
your post is definitely extreme autism, i'd tell you to get it checked out but you seem beyond hope. columnar stagger split ergonomic mechanical keyboard is the ultimate peak of the autism mountain, you'll never come back. so just how you are into gay split keyboards which i think are retarded i'm into gummy keyboards. keyboards that clack are pathetic, i cannot type on them, they should all be throw into the garbage dump.
>on a laptop
yeah on a laptop, and the best keyboard i ever used on a desktop was a solaris keyboard, the most gummy keyboard i've ever used. both the same feeling. i would never use an external keyboard with a laptop, that's stupid and gay for gay idiots. whenever i see people do that i think hmmmmm why are they too cheap to buy a desktop? then i think, oh they must be a poor india from india, that's why they can't afford it.
>Yeah? How about on a desktop?
if it were up to me laptops wouldn't exist, they are gay, but alas i need one, so since i need one i want to make it as comfy as possible, so here we are on a chink image board spazing out about laptop keyboards. laptops are fucking stupid and i hate them. desktops are king. i have a desktop and if it were up to me it's the only thing i'd use.
>The ThinkPad W520
i'll look into it
>I really just don't think MSI makes business laptops
they do: https://us.msi.com/Landing/business-productivity-laptops/nb
>frame.work
i might check these out one day, but to me this is just a dumb project for dorks, not a serious laptop, this is like the pinephone of laptops. but maybe i'm just being cynical

>>101559308
is the t14 really the best thinkpad there is in current day? do i lose any performance by having upgradable ram for example?

>>101559610
T14 isn't the best performing ThinkPad it's somewhere around the middle. It's a low power ThinkPad with mild fan cooling that throttles under heavy load by design. The P series is for actual Performance and a P14s ("lightweight workstation") is essential a T14 with a more aggressive fan and higher TDP limits, and a P14 ("workstation") is a thicker P14s that performs better. If you look at 16in laptops there's the P16 and even higher end P1, which is the hot chonker with dedicated graphics.

Basically you buy a T14 to have a laptop that's mostly passive with a bit of performance if you need it, you buy a T14s if you need it to be thinner in exchange for a tiny bit of performance loss and more fan noise (smaller heatsink same CPUs), and if you need something lighter you look at the X1 and Z series.

If you want "best performing ThinkPad" you're looking at a loud expensive brick. You'd be looking at laptops with H model CPUs and not U.

T14 is just about right. My 4650u T14 runs fanless and not very hot on "power saving" which limits it to 10w. It's not too big on my lap or on a table, it's light enough at 3.2lbs, it's thin enough but still has ethernet. I can set it to performance mode and it performs like a 6 year old high end desktop and does some 720p gaming pretty good. I wouldn't want it to be thinner or thicker.

>>101560117
i'm mostly looking for something that can handle heavy development workloads like compiling stuff, running vms, etc.

>>101558295
Forget buying electronics. You should focus on not stepping in human feces or getting hepatitis from an accidental needle stick. Your only priority is to pay your respects to whatever jew summoned you and get the fuck out of there as quickly as possible.

would thinkpad p1 gen 3 be fine for retro gaming?
like postal, postal 2, classic doom, morrowind, half life?

>>101500779
Even pawn shops in bumfuck nowhere know about thinkpads and price them accordingly.

You do understand the key aspect of them was the affordability/performance right? Now they are just expensive laptops (even used) and there are plenty of excellent expensive laptops out there.

>>101559197
>is there any real harm to buying a used laptop
Not at all. Just check that bios isnt locked because unlike desktops some laptops especially HP have BIOS that can not be unlocked without the pass.
Also broken hinges arent always a turn off for me because super glue exists. Ive got some high end laptops for pennies and just superglued the hinges to the case.

>>101560665
a bigger issue i was thinking about is hardware wear and tear, like sudden cpu/memory/motherboard failure

>>101560736
literal non-issue
businesses filter out all the qc misses
if it survives 3 years being handled by normies, it's more than likely it'll survive 30 more just fine
it's one of the biggest benefits of buying used

>>101560736
Have you ever had cpu, ram, mobo fail? If so what were you doing wrong? Been using PCs and laptops for 20+ years and this has never been a concern.

>>101559442
>i'll look into it
Oh god, don't get a W520, it's old like I said. My point was that a bunch of *actual* business machines have plenty of RAM and always have. You'd probably want a P series for a modern equivalent.

>i might check these out one day, but to me this is just a dumb project for dorks, not a serious laptop, this is like the pinephone of laptops. but maybe i'm just being cynical
It's still x86, the RAM is replaceable, it's very repairable and has official first class GNU/Linux support. They even have deals with businesses now. I actually think it is a serious laptop. That being said, I do not own one and have never seen one in person. They're just on my list of "laptops that don't suck probably", and I'd consider getting one someday. Also their technical write-ups on their blog are pretty entertaining. They go into detail about designing some of their custom parts and why they did certain things. There are some downsides, like although there are those modules for the ports, you can only have 4 at once, so if you want USB-C on both sides, USB A for connecting old stuff, and Ethernet, boom you're out of ports already. If you wanna hook up DP or HDMI you gotta either swap one out or hook up a dock/hub to one of the C ports. I imagine I'd get extra modules to keep in a backpack and swap as needed until I figured out the optimal combo.

>>101560777
thanks, makes me feel a bit better
>>101560971
brand new ssd failed in a couple years
that's all i've experienced, the rest is just paranoia

>>101560192
Check out the P series, that's the workstation line and replaced the old W series. Though I would also suggest looking up the actual CPUs and GPUs in these things and checking out benchmarks or something. You might not need all the power that comes with a P series and might be able to save money getting a T series. Though with these older machines, a P15 or P17 is still pretty affordable.

>>101560419
Sounds overkill but should work fine. I imagine Half-Life 2 and stuff of that era should run fine also.

>>101560622
You can still get machines that were over $1000 new for under $500 now that are under 5 years old. I don't think prices have gotten all that crazy. If you're seeing worse than that, it's probably just because pawn shops rarely have good deals.

>>101561014
>brand new ssd failed in a couple years
Was it Samsung? A lot of people I know have had Samsung SSDs fail in the last few years. I'm starting to wonder if there's a pattern.

had an x1c 11th gen
the screen shattered cause i leaned on it when it was on my bed lol

anyway how much does it cost to fix this?

>>101561053
i believe it was WD and it was like 3 years ago
it might have been manufacturer shitting because it was a prebuilt desktop
>>101561031
thanks, i mean i'm looking for probably 8/16 physical cores, 32gb and 2tb is a plus if it undercuts the $1200 for the gram >>101546047 it would also be a huge plus to get good/slim build quality, the gram feels somewhat flimsy

>>101561070
>i'm looking for probably 8/16 physical cores, 32gb and 2tb

https://www.ebay.com/itm/364927590736
check out this bad boy

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156317177101
This one's a bit newer with more CPU cores but smaller SSD.

>>101561355
i can replace the ssd and ram myself right? so wouldn't it be best to buy something with no ssd?

>>101561363
>i can replace the ssd and ram myself right?
Yes.

>so wouldn't it be best to buy something with no ssd?
Only if it seems like you're saving money equivalent to the cost of an SSD, otherwise I wouldn't bother, and you'd just have an extra SSD after upgrading. You can put it in an enclosure and use it like a really fancy flash drive, or keep it as a spare part.

I was looking at some T14s the other day and there was one with a broken screen for a bit cheaper, but it was only like $100 difference from ones with working screens which would probably barely cover the cost of the screen, so it's not always worth trying to get something worse to save money unless it's a lot cheaper.

>>101561379
makes sense
>>101561355
thanks for the recs anon, i meant more like i'd like to get something with the same specs, not the same price lol
also those seem relatively heavy.. i don't want to go all out on this laptop, i have a desktop for stuff that needs to go above and beyond (including gpu stuff) - i just want something that has decent integrated graphics for potato games like minecraft

>>101561406
>not the same price
It's a solid $200 less
>heavy
You wanted more performance. You don't want to jam that into a tiny chassis or you just get awful thermals and throttling
>don't want to go all out
Are you sure about that? You were asking for some pretty ridiculous specs
>decent integrated graphics for potato games like minecraft
I think you need to straighten out what you actually want. You probably don't need 8 cores or 32GB of RAM for one.
If you want slim you might wanna look at the X series instead. Let me close my twelve eBay tabs and see what I can find...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/296570714225
This one's super cheap but missing the battery. Looks like the batteries are $30-$50

https://www.ebay.com/itm/365025216560
This one's newer and in better condition but costs a lot more.
The RAM on the X13 is soldered but I specifically searched ones with the max 32GB RAM already installed, so shouldn't matter much.

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Stinkpads haven't been competitive or relevant in over a decade
IBM isn't coming back for you
Buy a Dell or an HP like a reasonable adult

>>101561630
>I think you need to straighten out what you actually want.
i think i'm just really terrified of a laptop i get becoming irrelevant before 5 years have passed
i want something i can write code on, compile stuff on, run maybe one vm at a time with reasonable performance, and play potato games with
>>101561735
do they undercut used thinkpads?

>>101561744
>i want something i can write code on, compile stuff on, run maybe one vm at a time with reasonable performance, and play potato games with
These sound like pretty reasonable requirements to me. You could probably get pretty much anything. So I'd just look for reasonable price and decent build quality in that case. I guess I'd also avoid low tier CPUs or small amounts of RAM since they're soldered on in many cases these days and you may regret later that you got the i5 or Ryzen 5 and 8GB RAM instead of i7 / Ryzen 7 and 16GB+ of RAM.

>>101561761
yeah i am focusing on build quality, that's why i was looking towards thinkpads since they have good build quality supposedly
storage is a must for me, 2tb is what feels comfy
i'm hesitant to look for 16gb ram because it's starting to look like that's the minimum for any moderately-heavy workload, not the maximum (hell even my current 2015 macbook has 16gb of ram)
>>101561630
>https://www.ebay.com/itm/296570714225
i like this one but i wish it was a bit newer and had a bigger ssd, i'll see if i can find something similar
touchscreen isn't really a concern of mine but i don't want oled either, also would like something bigger in the 14"+ range

>>101561792
>also would like something bigger in the 14"+ range
In that case, T series can come in 14" or 15". X series is just 12" and 13" I think. Maybe look at T14 Gen 2 or Gen 3. If you like numpads you need a 15" or bigger (so like a T15 instead of T14), FYI. I don't like numpads but some people think they need them, so thought I'd mention it now.

>>101561761
>>101561792
oh also something that has replaceable storage/ram would be a plus but probably not necessary since i imagine the cpu would get dated along with the ram too

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>>101561814
Soldered RAM is extremely common on recent laptops. You'd either need to go P series or get a Framework to not have soldered RAM I think. Sounds like the 2024 models are going back to unsoldered RAM, but those aren't going to be affordable for a few more years.

>>101561744
Stinkpads usually have a 20% reddit tax over similar spec latties

>>101500779
I got a T470s for $60, $15 of which was shipping. All it was missing was an SSD and it had a couple keys missing (right control and f9), and I already had an SSD laying around from my previous laptop. How did I do /g/?

I just bought the first non thinkpad in 20y. My first was a T20. Now switched to HP elitebook 845 G10 from a T480s. Goodbye!

>>101561826
grim, but also not something i really really care about
>>101561811
thanks, i'll take a look, don't care about numpads
what other differences are there between the T and X series?
>>101561865
even if this were true, what about the build quality?

>>101562098
>what other differences are there between the T and X series?
X is the small/ultraportable, T is the mid-ranged, W/P are the beefy workstation ones. So T is kind of the "normal" series.

>>101562262
thanks anon
i forgot to mention that gram on sale is also 17 inch so any thinkpad is looking like a hard sell right now

>>101562359
So you want light but also big? Yeah, I guess there's probably nothing for you then since the P17 is gonna be pretty thick. I think there's a T16 released a couple years ago. Business laptops may not be for you. I'm not super well-versed in all the super thin consumer laptops. That LG Gram is probably fine.

so what about matrial? thinkpad is not metal like other laptops

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Mint 230i from Japan. I've been huffing the exhaust for hours
>>>>please wait a while hehe sorry henehe

>>101564448
i also do the same with japanese thinkpads

>>101563069
what?

>>101500779
Looking for a WLAN upgrade for my W530. >300Mbps and Wifi 5 AC at least but WiFi 6 AX and 1Gbps would be nice. I have my eyes on an Intel 7260, is there any other card in particular that anyone recommends? Would it be possible or even worth it to get an adapter for a newer style card?

>>101563069
Magnesium is a metal.

Are there some models of the x201 with and others without a touch pad?

bros i'm starting to feel it, my T460 6600U is getting a little tired.

I am thinking that the cure is moving to the tranny OS, linux. Am I right, or should I just close the fucking browser?

>>101565805
ax 210

any ath9k (if you dont care about max speed and want blob free wifi)

wifi 7 might be possible but havent seen anyone test, (be200)

>>101566267
max out the ram

>>101566327
>max out the ram
friend I completely forgot about this because I'm such a defeatist about soldered ram. thank you. I only have one stick installed. this is it, this is the fix!

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>Need ThinkPad
> Browsing, movies -mpv smplayer, YouTube, Reddit, FB
>Note-taking, Wring my thought
and play any old game
> V Arch Linux
>Want to use it for 19hr per Day

>>101566529
have you considered using an AMD t14

Any reason for not buying a p15 G2?

>>101566529
Get a latitude

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Im using a 4337 dock and a decent headset with a shitty audio splitter for in/out, and the microphone is staticy. I think its the splitter but all of the ones on amazon look to be the same thing. what do?

>>101567177
XPS 15 is the same price and better

>>101562383
>So you want light but also big?
big isn't a hard requirement for me, but it is definitely nice (ideally i would prefer a 14 or 15 inch)
what really gets me is the modern cpu (intel core 7-155h) otherwise i would probably look at buying a t14 or something

Does anyone here have 14" thinkpad with a 4K panel? I have T420 with 1440p mod and I'm looking for upgrade but I don't want to downgrade to a 1080p screen and it seems 1440p on newer 14" thinkpads is no longer an option.

>>101569061
You'll lose a significant amount of battery life with the 4k screen, like 3 hours.

I bought a T480s with 1.90 ghz processor for $220. How retarded am I or is it not that bad for a refurbished thinkpad?

>>101571063
Not good if 8gb not bad if 16gb

>bought a x230 keyboard with backlighting from ali
>turn off, plug the keyboard, turn on
>no backlight, only thinklight works
>hotswap the old keyboard
>no backlight
>turn off, install old, turn on
>it works
>hotswap the new keyboard
>it works
>reboot
>it does not
Anyone knows what's happening? Backlighting is there, it's like bios can't detect it for some reason.

>>101500779
What cleaning product do you use in your Thinkpads?
I am afraid of using anything but distilled water with the battery disconected because Lenovo uses some sort of coating with their laptops so i would be running a risk of messing it up if i used something more abrasive like alcohol or some other electronics cleaner.

>>101500779
Any recommendations for a uni laptop? I want to buy a laptop that i can modify/upgrade in the future, i would like it to last atleast 4 years

>>101571731
Macbook

>>101571617
alcohol wipes do me good

>>101561735
what are the Dell and HP equivalents to the X230? in terms of size, repairability, and specs

>>101572034
https://libreboot.org/docs/hardware/hp2570p.html

>>101571617
depends on the material that is being cleaned
>metal surface
alcohol wipe followed by a warm wet cloth then a dry wipe
>hard plastic
clorox wipes followed by a warm wet cloth then a dry wipe
>rubberized cover
order a new replacement

>>101569061
I have a 13" XPS with a 4k 16:10 panel and it's fantastic. It's so nice having the same pixel density as my phone. It's usually more cost effective to upgrade to a better laptop rather than buy new parts from Chang. Dells usually have higher quality parts than stinkpads so there's honestly no reason not to get an xps

am i retarded for still sticking by my x230 to this day? afaik it's max-specced in terms of the cpu, ram, etc, got an ips screen and the classic keyboard, all the fixins. all i use it for is typing stuff up, browsing the web, watching stuff, and the very very occasional classic doom sessions

>>101574008
senpai, I'm using an X200 as my daily driver

>>101572325
Pointing stick.
Middle click button.

I have an X230 as my home server and NAS, should I bother upgrading it to 16GB?

>>101574883
Do you find yourself running out of RAM for your use case? If not, you're just consoooming.

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>>101500779
P16 G2 i7-13850HX RTX A3500 128GB RAM 2x 4TB SSD reporting in!

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>>101575715
Also X1E G3 i7-10850H GTX 1650 Ti 64GB RAM 2x 2TB SSD.

Both running Qubes OS because anything less is imprudence.

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>>101508133
>Kys racist retard

>T480
>Lenovo Thinkpad-branded Thunderbolt 3 dock

I know the technology is years old at this point, but being able to connect a high-definition screen, all your peripherals, even an external harddrive if you wish AND charge your laptop at the same time through ONE single cable still feels like magic to me.

thinkbump

>>101579856
humping G40

>refurbished t480
my wlan hangs often. is it some known quality issue concerning it's wireless card ?

03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 / 8275 (rev 78)

also what are the ram to buy to upgrade to 24Gb?
and M2 drive ref to replace that wireless card. As I'd like to dual boot either from Linux either from FreeBSD without splitting my current nvme drive in both parts.

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>Thinkpad Z60m 14" Pentium M 2GHz 2GB RAM ATI Radeon X600 256 MB without charger
>Thinkpad R61 14" Core 2 Duo 2GHz 3GB RAM Intel GM965 128MB without HDD cover
Both at about $25. If any, which should I go for? Thanks.

is it worth going from a maxed out t430 to a (amd) p14/t14 for general usage and light workstation tasks, if i can find a reasonably good deal on one? i see many people talking shit about the heat and battery life, but it's always the intel one they're talking about

>>101582013
both are shit but for me it would be z60m
try finding t60

>>101571330
Bumping, still need some help from fellow autists

>>101582013
why? both are unusable shit
I'd understand still using **20, they have enough ram and at least competent cpu, but these fossils need to be in a museum

>>101583024
By no means an expert but I suspect it could be something with the EC? I remember when swapping the 7-row into my 530 I had to patch the EC to get the keyboard layout right with the fuction keys (thinklight toggle was one of them, since it moved from the spacebar to PgUp). It's also more than likely that you don't have a genuine lenovo keyboard and I've had many software/driver problems with third-party shit like that

>>101501481
kek

>>101583090
still perfectly usable imo

>>101582013
Pentium M a shit
GM965 a shit

Not great options.

>>101583185
>not a genuine
Most likely this... I wish I could transplant torn key membranes.
Fuck cats btw, furry pieces of shit.

>>101537443
Same with the T400, it's still shitposting after 15 years

Thinkpad with least jew technology? I want to buy one. Which model should I go for?

>>101584570
x230 and flash libreboot/heads or make your own coreboot distribution

>>101584585
Note taken.
What about t470?

>>101571731
Since this is /tpg/, I'll shill the T430 like everyone else. 16GB of RAM and upgradable to a 4 core i7 means that for a 12 year old computer it still holds up today with modern operating systems, multitasking, etc.

>>101584628
anything from xx30 is least jewish
https://libreboot.org/docs/hardware/#laptops-intel-x86

>>101584798
>it still holds up today with modern operating systems, multitasking
lmao
opening facebook.com makes it melt, stop lying

>>101584837
I don't use Faceberg so I wouldn't know. I'm posting right now from a T430 running Kubuntu, and I haven't even swapped to the best possible CPU, just the best one that they shipped with.

>>101584837
not being able to use faceberg is bonus

How is L series build quality? Looking at https://www.ebay.com/itm/145859538546 and the specs seem very impressive for the price.

>>101585120
They used to suck but they're fine now

>>101585376
How long ago does "now" start? These are 2-ish years old I think.

>>101584034
do not fuck cats plz :(

>>101584837
https://stallman.org/facebook.html

>>101574363
based

new bread baking
>>101587033
>>101587033
>>101587033

>>101586133
They've been good since like 2018ish.

>>101574883
Nah, you should upgrade to something that uses ECC ram if the machine hosts anything important. Bitflip is real yo!

>>101587446
Doesn't really host anything aside from sillytavern, everything is on the attached enclosure