Ahhh, the shit OP again!

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Economy cores lel

>>101520336
Yeah, I wish it was cheaper too; I originally wanted to buy it before price changes fucked me over. It NEVER went below 240$ dollars in my country, neither on Amazon.de, and these days you can only buy it for 300$ or more.

Whatever happened to those prototype fanless CPU coolers that were essentially just spinning blocks of copper? Did any of them ever make it to market?

>>101520118

The only thing I can think of that mght have been different is that when I switched on XMP before, I had the system in "Intel defaults" mode. This time I've got it in the mobo default mode which is "asus OC profile" maybe some of the dynamic memory shit is goverening it better when it not running at JEDEC settings.

Anyone got and input on that? My last mobo is 10 years old and had DDR3. A lot of shit has changed since then in the enthusiast world.

If i'm writing a crapload of images to an ssd (~30k@120gb total) am i going to wear it out too quickly, and if so what drive tech would perform best for this task?

>>101520248
You have to make sure you can actually fit this.
If your GPU is big it can sit right over the NVMe slot and you won't be able to use one of these.
Make sure you know where the slot is in the mobo and make sure you know the dimensions of your GPU.
>t. someone who wasted a lot of money on a mobo with multiple pcie slots but cant use because of my FAT gpu

>>101520467
zip them, wait 3 days and copy them

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>>101520476
I could've shaved maybe 100-200$ if I went to the grey market to buy as many components as I can; I only did so for the SSD, hence why it's the heatsink version. A lot of those prices come from taxes; such is life.
>>101520486
With the GPU in PCI_E1 and SSD in M2_2 it fits.

What's the ideal GPU to pair with a 5800x3d when it comes to bottleneck and price/performance ratio?

>>101520557
good luck, i guess.
never really had any problems with thermal regarding nvmes

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>>101520278
>>101520304
sauce for this fyi
>https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/am5-boot-times-improve-radically-with-memory-context-restore-enabled.322285/
at least it seems fixable with context restore, but then it creates possible stability issues with booting after days/weeks

How do I add 16 SATA ports to a motherboard?

>>101520637
It's something that's fixable with BIOS updates. Other manufacturer boards have their issues too. AM5 platform is pretty mediocre overall unless you're paying premium prices for the board.

>>101520666
Host bus adapter that goes into a pcie slot.

>>101520611
Probably a 7900 GRE/4070 ti super

>>101520269
Based OP again

>>101520467
Hardware is meant to be used, if you want it to last long get a Sabrent Rocket 5.

But for most people a $60 1TB SSD werks just fine.

>>101520611
>>101520753
I would recommend 7700xt/4070 super instead.
Check recent hardware unboxed video on it, ddr4 is starting to wear out on recent games. Up to 30% performance loss in some cases.

If I were to bench test a build, just to check the BIOS actually boots, do I need to fit my CPU cooler? If I've misaligned my CPU I don't want to deal with removing the cooler, but I don't want my CPU to set on fire on the table.

>>101521010
if your cpu is misaligned and you clamp it down, you're already fucked

>>101521010
Misaligned CPU breaks the pins. You're fucked up already.

>>101520932
>ddr4 is starting to wear out on recent games
on non x3d cpus yes.
x3d negates the need for fast memory because you're not cache missing so often

>>101520611
>5800x3d when it comes to bottleneck
I run a 4080 Super with my 5800x3D and I haven't run into any real bottleneck scenarios yet, though I do run 1900mhz IF with low latency OC'd RAM so it probably helps.
>What's the ideal GPU
What expectations do you have? Do you care about Ray Tracing? What resolution/refresh rate are you playing at?
Generally, I'd say the 4070 Super/7900GRE is a sweet spot for performance/price ratio. There's not much these GPUs can't handle even at 4k if you pass on Ray Tracing.

If you know you won't be using RT/PT, AMD has better performing GPUs in rasterization for the price with more VRAM.
NVIDIA offers a lot more features: better upscaling/frame generation, general AI workloads performance, better encoding, RTXVSR and a lot of other very specific stuff.

>>101520269
that's alot of Intel CPU's in the OP

>>101520611
7900 GRE is the logical choice. But 7800 XT and 7700 XT work too.

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Things on my agenda

1) Move
2) Buy an OLED screen

I'd rather KMS than buy more LCD slop, simple as.

Kraut anons, does anyone have any idea how long it takes for G.Skill to process their RMAs? My ram kit which I bought from Computeruniverse became defective, so I sent it back about three weeks ago, and the faggots at Computeruniverse told me that my ram kit arrived to whoever they sent it to last week.

If it's going to take a few more weeks, I'm thinking about buying a cheap 16GB DDR5 ram kit from Amazon and then returning it after 2 weeks.

>>101521535
Once OLED panels have better sub pixel layouts for text clarity then I will buy

Just want a completely opaque case and parts with no gay rainbow LED lights at all whatsoever

>>101521707
they have already been improved on multiple times with each new gen already, plus now you have 140ppi which should be good enough
but sure the true RGB matrix is coming next year I guess, who cares
you more than likely gonna use a bit of scaling anyway

>>101521535
I bought the alienware 32" 4k oled and will never go back to lesser display technologies.

My current PC is a ino3d gt1030 gddr5, a i3 1010F with corsair 36000mhz 2x8 gb, which is capped by the CPU. For how many euros can I sell it? Does adding fancy lights increase it's value. I know it's shit but I made it on basis of impulse and when computer parts were expensive

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Retard here, is a RTX 4070 12GB enough to play current gen of games at 1440p with 80+fps at full detail with best quality DLSS?

>>101521904
4070 Super should do. Just don't play unoptimized trash, even a 4090 won't get you good FPS on that.

>>101520637
>but then it creates possible stability issues with booting after days/weeks
if you're right on the edge of stability it's going to be worse
but you shouldn't be staying there on a daily system anyway lmao
there was a bug in early AGESA where memory context restore without "power down mode" would be unusable, but that should be fixed by now

>>101521716
Fractal Design Focus 2 Black Solid

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>RTX 50 series confirmed not coming out this year
well, time to get the rtx 4070 super
is gigabyte a goard brand or no?

Any Lexar bros in here? NM790 reporting in.

>>101522094
As long as it's not Windforce it's fine.

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>>101522122
Pic related.

>>101522135
I thought it was only the 4090 cards that had this problem, since they use so much power?

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>looking at prebuilts because I need a basic PC
>some have a 180W gold PSU, efficient as hell
>some have a shitty 260w bronze though
how much does this matter? is that a sign that they cheaped out or is it basically irrelevent?

>>101520269
How do I decide on what 4080 Super to buy?
Also if someone tells me to buy for the next gen again I'm gonna strangle them. (should I wait?)

>>101521904
As always it depends on what kind of games you play. OP's recommended cards for whatever resolution seem to imply unoptimized AAA western slop with raytracing, but if you play a lot of indieshit or last gen jap console ports then a 4070 Super can easily do 4k

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I see the Gigabyte AORUS FO32U2 in stock at my usual retailer but not the FO32U2P. Is the lack of DisplayPort 2.1 really going to be a huge issue, or should I wait?

>>101522156
That retard used cables from a different PSU, daisy-chained them, and the PSU was probably shit as well. /g/ loves to spam this webm to shit on Windforce, even though it's bad for different reasons. Catastrophic fails like this can happen on less power-hungry cards like the 4080.

>>101522196
They both cheaped out. Prebuilts are synonymous with cheap PSUs. FWIW the whole reason to buy a prebuilt is so that you don't have to worry about that shit - if it dies you call them up and demand a replacement.

>12100
>12400
>13400
>12700
>13700
>5600g
>5700g
these are what's available. what should I pick? i do basic tasks like Excel and programming but I fuck around in stuff like Sketchup and Sims too lol.

>>101522099
I had mine since November
It's doing pretty well as a boot drive in my laptop

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>>101509452
RTX OWNERS LOOK OUT!!!

Is there any way to tell if an amazon posting for the intel AX210 chip is legit? There are dozens of them it seems but I can't tell if they're good or not.

>>101522283
you don't need more than a 180W gold PSU for a desktop without a GPU. it's basically perfect. they're also ATX12VO.

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>>101519565
>those seem like pretty high temps even for an OC, does it perform the same at stock clocks?
Temperature will be worse on stock settings because it'll lack a voltage cap.

Daily setting is undervolted to 0.95V with a maximum core boost OC of 2715MHz, resulting in about 76°C heat-saturated temperature. This is very close to the stock setting's average core boost.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-super-founders-edition/42.html

You need to set more aggressive, and louder, fan curves to lower temps. But the performance gain isn't worth running a louder system.
https://youtu.be/nwtPrG14uQk?t=1600
I'm happy with the card, but people claiming FE cards are silent never owned a video card with a better cooler.

>>101522451
interesting, I always thought FEs were good performers but that's essentially on par with the cheaper AIBs. is the card at least silent?
>Daily setting is undervolted to 0.95V with a maximum core boost OC of 2715MHz
that's close to what I settled for. I run 0.990v at 2790MHz most the time and 0.900v at 2550MHz when I do longer sessions of less-demanding games (XIV, indies, emulation etc)
the performance while undervolting is very impressive with the 4080, it's like a 4-5% FPS loss for massively reduced power draw and thermals

>>101522289
Consider these:
>12400
>13400
>12700
Buy a gpu if you are serious about sketchup.

>>101522840
i am, but what kind do I really need? I assume nvidia but how powerful?

>>101522743
>is the card at least silent?
They're usually the better dual fan models, an obvious exception to the ASUS x Noctua cards.
The FE's design goal is to service both gaming & workstation builders at base MSRP, with compact form factor in mind.
Some PC-building companies that aren't large enough to design their OEM cards prefer to bulk-order FE cards because they're relatively small and assembled by Foxconn.

I have higher OC profiles saved but I don't need them for the games I play (2775MHz @ 0.985V, 2835MHz @ 1V, etc).
I'm just disappointed the cooler can't sustain a 2900MHz heat load at the stock fan curve.

>>101522215
>4080 Super to buy?
Find your price point and pick the quietest one within that budget.

>>101522898
Depends entirely on what you are doing.
Even then I am not familiar enough with the software to answer this exactly.
You most likely will be fine with something like 4070 super if it fits into your budget though.

>>101522264
>Is the lack of DisplayPort 2.1 really going to be a huge issue
From a visual standpoint, no. Just hope you don't use multiple screen and an nvidia card or if you do, tell nvidia to unfuck their dsc.

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https://www.msi.com/Laptop/Thin-GF63-12UX/Specification

I have the Thin GF63 12UC, it has a spare port for "SATA HDD" can I install an SSD on it?

>>101522386
Nobody cares about some AMD sponsored hit piece anon.

>>101522215
PNY XLR8, top-tier noise and thermals.
Locked TDP so no margin for manual overclocking if you care (can still flash a Suprim X VBIOS).

>>101522196
>>101522444
Why not buy a mini pc at that point?
Will get the shit done.
Will consume less power.
Will consume less space on your desk.

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>>101522215
>How do I decide on what 4080 Super to buy?
Buy one that fits your case, including the additional 35mm clearance recommended for the power cable.
FE doesn't stand out in terms of cooling, noise, & OC thermal/power headroom. But you may like the design, it's got better case compatibility, and the overall product is good considering its base MSRP.

For AIB models, buy the largest one that comfortably fits your case. The larger the heatsink, the better.

>should I wait?
Wait® if you can, don't say you need a 4080 Super to play Gelded Ring.
But rumors say next-generation cards are expected to launch in '25.
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-50-announcement-may-slip-to-2025

>>101520467
30k images really isn't that much, and you're vastly overestimating the rate at which SSDs degrade as well

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>>101521716
FD North mesh side is the goat. If you disagree you have bad taste

>>101520467
120gb once every few months isn't much
If you're writing terabytes every day, the only tech that can withstand it would be optane

>>101523067
they are hot and the fan is loud

>>101521904
Yes

>>101522979
I guess I'll have to think about whether or not I'll have a DP2.1 compatible graphics card before I replace the monitor (due to burn-in or obsolescence). I'm hoping my 4090 will hold out for 4 or 5 years.

>>101522386
Feels good to use 7900xtx Sapphire Nitro+

>>101522196
bronze in 2024 is retarded. literally only the cheapest stuff receives that rating. a gold PSU is like $60 now.

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Is it worth shelling out 80 yurobucks more for a 5800x 3D over a 5700x 3D? Currently they're at 200 and 280 new respectively.
Or should I try hunting down the latter on ebay? They seem to be going for roughly 230-250 right now
t. Krautlandian

>>101523591
280 is fucking nothing. You'll want warranty on it, and maximize longevity. Get the 5800x3d new

>>101523591
Generally no, the 5700x3d's worse performance drop is marginal next to the price reduction. I however think the 5800x3d is worth it due to the higher base clock (simply for those games that absolutely only scale with clockspeed) but if scrimping every shekel it is technically the worse value product.

>>101523591
5800x3d is worth 20 more. don't spend 80 more.

I own a i9 13900T and max it out over hours and never encountered any problems. The reports stem from the edgy 100 degree+ celsius fuckers, honestly, I get 80% of the perf with about 50% or less of the power

that said, intel still need to get shit together

>>101523591
Yes it's worth 30-40 more if you're going to be on am4 for a while
The 5800x3d clocks 10% higher

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>>101523613 >>101523648
>>101523657 >>101523677
Alright, thanks lads. Will go for the 5800x3d then, as I probably want to get a few more years out of the platform

>>101521975
>Just don't play unoptimized trash
So the answer is no

>>101523729
it's literally like 8% for 80 euros more lol it's objectively not worth it

>>101522135
This is still the funniest gif ever posted on /g/

>>101522289
12400F

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>>101523677
Nah
Also fuck gaymernexus with his webp bullshit

>>101523729
5800X3D is worth around $210 + tax
5700X3D is worth around $170 + tax

>>101523591
Depends if you care about price to performance.

>>101522135
>>101524022
7000 years of evolution culminating in this fat piece of lard frying his gpu, and what's even more funny is that probably their parent is somehow filming it after building his first pc

s per Intel PR Comms:

Based on extensive analysis of Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors returned to us due to instability issues, we have determined that elevated operating voltage is causing instability issues in some 13th/14th Gen desktop processors. Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor.

Intel is delivering a microcode patch which addresses the root cause of exposure to elevated voltages. We are continuing validation to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors are addressed. Intel is currently targeting mid-August for patch release to partners following full validation.

Intel is committed to making this right with our customers, and we continue asking any customers currently experiencing instability issues on their Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance.

July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen Desktop Processors - Intel Community

I'll be on the thread for the next couple of hours trying to address any questions you folks might have. Please keep in mind that I won't be able to answer every question but I'll do my best to address most of them.

Thanks

Lex H. - Intel

>>101524126
about a year too late but ok

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7900GRE really worth it?

>>101524004
I agree on the whole but do understand that that extra 10% comes purely from clock speed so will drive those games that don't scale off cache. Many of which are simple competitive games where you're likely to a) be CPU bound and b) genuinely benefit from the boost. If that's the sort of thing you play then it's not a bad deal (even if you should have bought Intel in the first place).

>>101520269
>Gaming: 13600KF
>AVOID: 13900K/14900K https://alderongames.com/intel-crashes
All i5's, i7's and i9's for 13th/14th gen are affected by Raptor Lake architecture's rapid degradation problem. Why'd you leave that out?

>>101524183
Yes but /g/ is an nvidia only board.

>>101524183
websites are misleading since they dont take into account the driver unlock for memory. in reality its 12-15% faster than what its reviewed.

>>101524244
let's see a report of a failed i5
a forum post made by a random retard is fine
I'll be waiting

>>101524257
how its worth for 40-60 euros not even 100 difference
im an amd user myself 6700 because of the value
>>101524274
gonna look online

>>101524183
Depends what you're doing. Bear in mind that the GRE has underclocked memory so it's trivial to get another 10-15% out of it. That puts it in the 4070Ti range for raster. Basically the question is do you want to pay $200 for good RT performance (+DLSS etc)? It's a fair question; a value judgement.

>>101522094
>gigabyte 4070 super
Just as an FYI, even though Amazon says they're in stock, they're all out of Gigabyte Super's specifically, and I had to bug customer support about a card I ordered on the 12th staying eternally on "ordered" status, so avoid ordering one on Amazon if that's where you were thinking of

>>101524274
>>101524274
alrigh i just saw in raster in really faster in games
makes more sense now but could really pay those 50 euros more
amd driver 24.6.1 shader cache broken for dx12 games was hilarious

>>101524424
>broken for dx12 games
Just Fortnite since they updated UE5 and it got fixed in 24.7.1
The key thing is make sure your Windows is fully up to date 24h2 to fix mpo bugs on both Nvidia and AMD

>>101524476
elden ring for me was a constant stutter mess

thinking of buying a used thinkpad p520 for $100
what can i do with it?

What performance difference, if any, is there between a 3-fan AIO and a 2-fan AIO?

>>101524482
it's a Windows/Fromsoftware issue. Fromsoftware compiles shaders at drawtime like it's DX11 when the game is DX12 the game can pre compile shaders but their programmers are dumb not to take advantage. Windows cant inject DXVK to DX12 games so you're stuck. The fix is Linux.

>>101524489
If you are thinking of buying a 2 fan AIO then you're better of buying a dual or even triple tower cooler for half the price. 360mm AIO costs twice the price of a tower cooler, so a better comparison is 360mm AIO vs tower coolers. Of course AIO cool a lot better but costs a lot more. Double the price and only cools things down on average 25% better. It has the plus of being silent too if you care about it that much.

>>101524509
okay
how do i even upgrade to 24h2
im on enterprise 23h2
i dont want to clean everything up with a massgrave iso again

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>>101524509
Elden Ring is rock solid through proton.

>>101524566
It's best to just backup and clean install iot enterprise LTSC 24h2.

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>>101519219
> in russia
Gi back to r*ddit.

The rest of post is r*ddit shitpost.
>>101519215
> Water cooling is something people do when they want to seek attention. People who are spiritually poor love to seek attention. Eastern Europeans (like Buildzoid) lack soul.
I specifically searched components that doesn't require water cooling. I think water cooling is ax scam.
>>101519182
> Normalfags are just retarded
It seems.
>>101519131
> хpeн их paзбepeт, нa мeня кaк нa дypaкa cмoтpeли в 2017 кoгдa я Hoктюa Д15 бpaл зa 7к, a щac типa фигня, y нac в poccиях caмoбытный быт
Cocaч тpeд пpям вooбщe бьёт тyпocтью. Здecь пpaвдa фopcят AMOLED диcплeи.


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Why so many people in this thread loves AMOLED? It's impractical for everyday use.
Same question for RGB. Never used it. But all components have it. Sadly I can't turn off professor cooler.

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>>101522987
>intel inside

Would a Frozen Prism be sufficient to cool a 7600X?

>>101524790
there's like, 6 variations of the frozen prism. which one?

>>101524482
Have you played it recently? It was mostly gone for me by around 1.05 (3600+1660Ti). Apparently the DLC has more but I'm not seeing it (5800X3D+same card).

>>101524790
A stiff breeze is enough to cool a 7600X.

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thoughts on open air cases?

>>101520269
Did this retard seriously do an all-exhaust fan config

>>101525039
Complete meme.

>>101525039
why have a case at all? chad has his mainboard on the floor and uses a screwdriver to turn on his PC.

>>101525001
The intermittent stutters are completely gone in the DLC for my system (12700K, 4080 Super).
Performance dips a bit in Rauh ruins and against the final DLC boss.
It's still not good enough considering the game's visual quality, it barely looks better than Dark Souls 3 ('16 release).

>>101525039
They're one for three on the main functions of a case (protection, filtration, organization) but if you're buying one you're buying it for the looks so our thoughts hardly matter.

>>101525046
lian li sells reverse blade fans for that infinity mirror design so some of those are going to be intake for sure
but they're also $30 ea or something silly

>>101525039
Only makes sense if you're committed to keeping the system and your room clean.
Open-air PCs should be dusted off at least once every two weeks, alongside weekly home/room vacuuming.

>>101525076
That's good to hear. I've been watching Cowboy's walkthrough for the areas I've done and his shit is stuttering constantly. Apparently the guy has a 13900K+4090 so God knows what's going on there. Maybe RT?

>>101525129
I recently had to clean install everything in my PC for a different reason, it probably helps on that front.
Random in-game actions like upgrading a certain weapon tanks performance to single-digit fps, but it's rare.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/1dwn9y4/massive_fps_drop_to_13_fps_during_upgrade_to_10/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/1e5azzj/game_keeps_crashing_after_fully_upgrading_a_weapon/

>>101525108
i see, might be noisy though as everything close to the blades intake side creates noise

>>101525284
Nope. literally have the same case and fans and it's quiet.

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Are 4080's still worth getting? I'm looking to get a 240hz monitor by the end of the year and was wondering if it makes sense to buy a used 4080 once the 50XX series release.

>>101525903
Yes. They're still a really good card. Ignore 4080 Super. It's literally only a 5% better performance but adds an extra ~20% price increase. If it's used then only buy if it's less than half the price of the price when it was new.

>>101525924
>If it's used then only buy if it's less than half the price of the price when it was new.
yeah, that's the plan. I plan on buying either a new-ish 4080 or 4080Super since those cards are barely half a year old. There'll be plenty of peopl willing to buy a 5080 day one, especially for AI.

Okay anon, about to install some M.2 SSDs on my Asus Crosshair X670E Extreme but being an outdated oldfag years ago on my X99 platform you didn't have to fuck with any of the thermal pad shit and certainly not the "bumpers"

>Arrangement of M.2 drives
Given restriction of lanes and whatnot it seems to go like this I think
>M.2 Slot 1 on board itself PCI-E 5.0 that I think can be used without fucking with anything else
>M.2 Slot 2 on board itself PCI-E 5.0 , BUT will gimp your Main PCI-E x16 slot down to X8 if used
>Optional M.2 card adapter thing that goes into the 2nd PCI-E x16 , gimping first slot to x8 and/or 2nd slot to x4 depending if M.2 Slot 2 is enabled or not
>ROG Gen-Z2 "kinda like a big fucking DIMM with heatsinks on it and a special slot" adapter card, which has 2 M.2 slots on it, one PCI-E 5.0 and one PCI-E 4.0. Either the 5.0 is CPU and the 4.0 is chipset or they'r both chipset?
Either way, I think the best arrangement to avoid gimping one's GPU which is in PCI-E x16 slot 1 is either
>M.2 Slot 1 on board, then GEN-Z2 1 or 2 M.2s, for a total of 3 drives without fucking with anything
>If you only need 2 drives, maybe just go right for Gen-Z2, but I hear that chipset stuff is more limited than CPU; not sure if the faster half of GenZ2 is CPU or not.
This sound reasonable? I have 2TB Samsung 990 and 2TB Samsung 980 so far both of them are single sided drives I think.

>thermal pads
Most of these have built in thermal pads. Sometimes the instructions talk about changing them depending on if your drive is double or single sided etc.. I think all mine are single etc. I also bought some (cheap but high powered) Arctic TP-3 I could use instead if I cut to size, butnot sure if worth it. Can I just use defaults or do you really need to fuck around with different size/thickness pads based on single or double size?

>Lastly, "bumpers"
Single size, it says included "bumper" in the mounting for some drives? Necessary?

>>101525972
As long as the 4080 and the Super are the same price. Don't pay extra for a Super even if it's like $50 more.

>>101525990
Fun fact. NVMe drives VS SATA drives are only 5% apart in terms of speed.
Want to not taking up your GPU speed? Don't use the other NVMes and use SATA.

>>101526019
>Don't pay extra for a Super even if it's like $50 more.
Why not? I know the performance difference is negligible but I would pay a little extra for a newer card.

>>101526128
It's honestly really not worth it. But up to you, I guess. Both of them are literally the same card.

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>>101523729
gimi?

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Worth going from a i5 13600k to a 7800x3d ?

>>101526223
No. Wait until '26 or so.

>>101526223
arrow lake is around the corner and much better

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>>101526286
>>101526326
Cheers anon

>>101522215
You rather wait for the 5080.

>>101520269
How seriously should I take the recommendations in the OP?

>>101526511
Other than the CPU shit (because of all the things going on in Intel) a lot of it is good advice.
But I can see that some countries won't have these things so better just ask. A lot of these are cheap in NA but any other place then it might be harder to find and more expensive.

\-

should i live alone and pay rent?

or move home with parents and use the 10k saved to build a PC with 6 GPUs and try to make a ramen profitable AI business?

was self driving car engineer, then got mis-diagnosed with schiophrenia. The medicated they gave me made me kinda like catatonic and lifeless for 3 years.

Don't really want to go back to working for someone else. Had like 12 years of exp. Hospital kinda wiped my savings out. Just want to live a simple, monastic life, writing code for 15 hours a day, to solve some problem that hopefully one person benefits from.

>>101526615
sister....i think building a pc is the least of your worries.
get your life in order then come back to pursue the hobby. buy yourself a prebuilt instead

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I'm getting the 4070S FE because no way I'm getting screwed by AIBs and their jewishness

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Cybenetics guys have their own youtube channel and they do detailed reviews on psus and fans.
https://youtu.be/cXrMGR9ybcY
https://youtu.be/labUO9a6WFU

What's the best/quietest single tower CPU cooler? It's for my home server so I don't want much noise.

>>101526892
What is the ideal PC/computer model for the person who hates Steam, hates Valve, hates PC gaming, hates Gabe Newell, hates Steam Deck, and wants an anti-gamer PC in everything?

play on PC is equal to blasphemy

>>101526892
Scythe Mugen 6 black edition (dual fan bundled) is one of the best single tower cooler.
If you’re looking for something smaller, get the Kotetsu Mark 3, the newer Cooler Master 212, or a Thermalright equivalent.

>>101520269
Do GPU 1080p recommendations apply for multiple 1080p monitors?

>>101527136
Yeah. It's not like you're playing a different game in each monitor, right?

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I got a 7900 XT for $550 did I do a good job? My friend said I was an idiot and should've gotten the 4070 Super for $600 but I didn't like that it only had 12GB of Vram and think RT is way too much of a fps killer anyway and not worth it visually. He said something about much DLSS being magic and drivers or something.

>>101527266
The 7900XT wipes the floor with a 4070.

>>101526917
just get a case without a window. optionally put workstation/server parts in it if the RGBT stuff bugs you even though you can't see it.

>>101527266
nvidia is dogshit anyways

>>101527266
>7900 XT for $550
that's already really good
>should've gotten the 4070 Super for $600
4070 Super is closer to the performance of a 7900GRE, the equivalent NVIDIA card for a 7900XT is the 4070 Ti Super, and that's closer to $800
>RT is way too much of a fps killer anyway
if you don't care about RT or any of the NVIDIA features, AMD has better raw raster for the price
>DLSS being magic
it is years ahead of AMD's FSR upscaling, no doubt about it.
in the end though, DLSS only matters if you play at 4k with Ray Tracing as everthing else already runs really well even on entry-level GPUs

basically your friend is kind of a retard

A family acquaintance sold me 3 'broken' 4090s for $250. I managed to fix two by just opening it up, cleaning it with some alcohol and reapplying paste. I was told it was used in crypto mining so it's very heavily used.
Anything fun I can do with them? I don't really feel like switching my 4080 because I don't know when it will eventually crap itself again. I just want to use it in some project where I don't care if it breaks.

>>101527516
just sell them if they work and get yourself a brand new 5090 on release, no brainer

>>101526223
that is literally a downgrade you dumb faggot

>>101520269
more than 8 cores to future proof for gaming?

>>101527745
Number of cores matter a lot less than how fast each core it.
Intel Xeons literally have 24+ cores but it's not suited for gaming at all.

>>101520269
I need to build a PC to use as a private Jellyfin server but there's something Im not sure about
Are there any modern graphics cards that are power efficient and quiet?
The power efficiency is more about not generating heat for the area around the PC than anything else

>>101527266
>He said something about much DLSS being magic and drivers or something
Does your friend happen to post a lot in this thread?

>>101528100
just use plex like a normal person
all modern gpu don't generate that much heat if you're only using it for the jellyfin server. even a 3050 is good enough. although i might as well go 4060

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When is a a good time to buy parts? Not seeing any discounts for the 7800X3D or AMD GPUs.
My planned upgrade build:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zDWWFs

>>101527516
Sell them and keep the money for something else. Upgrading to 5090 is not worth it if you already have a 4080

>>101526223
Normally I would say yes but Ryzen 9000 is around the corner

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Does this look about right for an SN770 1TB on a PCIe 3.0 x4 slot? Advertised speeds are up to 5150 MB/s but that's probably for PCIe 4.0.

>>101526076
there are some situations where PCI-E have significantly higher performance, especially those PCI-E 3.0 x4 or faster, but yeah I know that its not universal and that SATA ones pretty much just as good. I also have a Samsung 870 EVO 2TB SATA drive which I plan to add to the same system, but these days the way that the increasing expectation for M.2 SSDs (and if you're going M.2, its a waste to not have it keyed for PCI-E) as the primary or perhaps only storage, cases with shrinking amounts of and space for bays (even 3.5/2.5", much less 5.25") both internal and especially external, M.2 PCI-E seems to be the preference for SSDs.

I'm rather annoyed that ever since the "HEDT / high end desktop" platforms have either vanished or gone hard for workstation/server junior grade side both in price and focus (as opposed to enthusiast overclocking and mixed use as they used to be in the X58/X79/X99/X299 or X399 days, seeking both single thread performance and gaming stuff as well as highly parallelized productivity tasks etc) , that higher end CPUs and chipsets like Z790 or X670E don't have more PCI-E lanes and provide PCI-E slots that can support them. With most performance builds having at least 1 M.2 SSD and higher end mobos advertising support for 4-6 or so, it seems stupid that using any more than 1 or maybe 2 and knowing exactly which slots to use, you may end up cutting down the lanes somewhere else. Also because of how PCI-E seems to work as I understand , it isn't just bandwidth so say... if you a GPU with PCI-E 3.0or 4.0 support (even the newest NV 4000 and AMD 7000 I think are only 4.0 spec), if your 5.0 x16 slot gets its bandwidth cut down to x8 because you put a drive in M.2_2, it isn't like it just functions equivalently because 5.0 x8 = 4.0 x16. However, your GPU only is 4.0 spec, so when it sees .x8, it runs at 4.0 x8 which is (last I checked) is like a 15% decrease in performance on a 4090/790XTX. More lanes!

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I can't decide between 7900 GRE Powercolor Hellhound or Sapphire Pulse help

>>101521278
Video cards are way oversized now for all games unless you run poorly optimized trash like Hogwarts, etc. I am running Elden Ring DLC on a 3080 12gb / 7800x3d at 4k60 in my home theater no problems. If there are any slowdowns its not affecting my ability to kill Ralena first time every time I play her.

>>101528310
First build? When you need them, but always all of them at once. It's going to suck if you buy RAM for example but can't test it out because you waited for a CPU to go on sale. Then you find out the RAM is busted and now you can't return it.
First PC, always buy everything together, usually when the big stuff are on sale, like CPU and GPU.
If it's just buying parts, then things usually go on sale during black friday or cyber monday in the US. Monitors and other paraphernalia go on sale during the start of the school year, so Sept or December during holidays.

Am I dumb for buying a 3060 12GB to replace my dead 970 (that I would still be using if it hadn't died)? I honestly don't know if I'd even play the kind of games that make a $500+ GPU worth it.

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>>101528440
No

>>101528339
Pic related is theoretical, so yes

>>101528310
>$500 on radeon garbage

>>101527494
>DLSS only matters if you play at 4k with Ray Tracing
It matters in most new games, even without RT, especially if you're considering value. The image quality of DLSS Quality at 1440p or 4K is usually better than or equivalent to full resolution according to AMDumboxed testing, with of course an often 30% performance boost.

>>101526223
Absolutely not unless you're experiencing instability and you've already tried mitigations

>>101528339
You’re getting more than half the advertised speed on half the pci-e bandwidth so it looks good to me

>>101527494
Overall the 7900 series can be fantastic cards for the price
>Nvidia features
The faster we can get away from proprietary Nvidia garbage the better.
>Upscaling
Yes, at the moment DLSS is better than the alternatives in many situations. However FSR and XeSS are both open source and widely compatible and can work quite well especially when you're not fucking around with picking comparisons from screenshots and actually playing the game. This doesn't mean that FSR doesn't need to get better and they have been, but considering that unlike DLSS and even XeSS they're not using any AI model computations, that's what they need to start doing in FSR4 and from what I've read, they will.

Much like how AMD created a FSR 3.x FrameGen feature (thanks to NV's stupidity of restricting it to 4000 series only for their DLSS frame generation) that could be an option even alongside someone using DLSS for the upscaling itself, AMD could put their LLM/Deep Learning based FSR feature in 4.x for cards that could support it regardless of manufacturer. Lets hope they get it going soon

I have a 3090 and it has served me well but I've grown tired of NV's proprietary focus and think AMD should be supported for taking open spec and open source as they often do. Overall, much like the 3090 I picked up just before the price hike, I think the only NV card I'd buy is a 4090- if I wanted the top performance, RAM, NV features, and cared enough about it to throw extra money. Below that however, I'd easily go for AMD in most situation

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>>101525903
It only makes sense to buy used if you can get a substantial discount over retail. With a $1000 graphics card like a 4080 Super, a warranty can come in handy. The latest rumors say that the RTX 5070 will have approximately 4080 performance, so you'll have to get a 4080 really cheap on the used market to make buying used worth it, which is unlikely

>>101524509
Even past shader compilation, the problem with Elden Ring is traversal stutter, which is why >>101524588 is full of shit

>>101524274
Wrong

>>101524183
Not at current pricing

>>101528440
Seems like a good choice. It should run the games you've been playing just fine, enable you to play more demanding games if necessary, and is pretty decent for Stable Diffusion too.

>>101528528
Yes, I'm full of shit even though I played through the entire game without experiencing any stutters or lag, granted it was only 1080p but fuck off retard.
(except for *that* one attack Consort Radahn does when entire arena is filled with particles and effects)

>>101528349
I hear you but it’s also kind dumb to have several small m2’s. I understand the poorfag aggregates these devices over time but the solution is to built a cheap nas for mass storage and focus on a single, high performing ssd for local use. In particular, Optane devices as they’re still king by a mile. Find the Optane/3dxp thread and look at the charts posted therein.

905p 960gb is $250 now. While that’s expensive for 1TB, it provides a noticeable user experience improvement where `going from sata `to m2 nand ssd does not

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>>101523591
>shelling out 80 yurobucks more
No

>>101522264
>Is the lack of DisplayPort 2.1 really going to be a huge issue
No

>>101522094
The Gigabyte Gaming variant is at MSRP in the USA and it's fine, as long as you're using the quiet BIOS switch

>>101521904
>80+fps
Not the most demanding games if you're not using Frame Gen. Right now the 4070 Super is slightly better value. Get the Super, not the base 4070, and it'll usually be able to hit around 75FPS without more optimizations than DLSS Quality

>>101521278
>AMD has better performing GPUs in rasterization for the price
Doesn't matter because DLSS makes Geforce cards perform better on average for the price, often at higher image quality. Doesn't make sense to play new games without reconstruction (and most games will force reconstruction soon enough).

>>101528408
>4k60
Ew. 4k120 is the grail and we’re still not consistently there with the 4090 for recent games

>>101528193
Looks like his friend just came back home...

ryzen 7600 is way too good
this is supposed to be a "mid-range" processor?

>>101528712
>but the solution is to built a cheap nas for mass storage and focus on a single, high performing ssd for local use
this is honestly the best advice regarding mass storage. don't put your archived data that you access maybe once or twice a year in your main PC. build a separate, much cheaper PC and dump all your shit there. use some nas os and call it a day. you don't even need to leave the storage pc on all the time like a traditional nas in a home lab setting. I have two NVMes in my PC, one for the OS and one for all random shit I use. Once I'm done I delete them. If I want to get the file back again I turn on my storage PC, transfer the files, then shut down the pc again.
this way you can build a custom storage pc that can be easily upgradeable to have up to 24 hdds if you want. and you can easily start out small with only 4 hdds.

>>101520611
Always depends on the games you're playing and your resolution. The CPU will provide a fixed FPS regardless of resolution, so it'll be up to your graphics card to drive whatever resolution you choose. Single player games are generally heavier on GPU than multiplayer games. If you're looking for value without being cheap, the best option is a 1440p monitor with a 4070 Super for all around gaming

is a newegg refurbished GPU reputable buy?

>>101528787
never trusting newegg ever again with that whole fiasco a couple years back.
i only buy cheap things from them now, never a gpu

>>101524126
If it's just high voltages why did it take this long to figure out? Retards have been saying it's high voltages since the first time this chit came to light after nvidia called them out.

>>101524126
how do you even download this microcode patch?

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>WATER COOLING IS A MEM-

>>101525924
> It's literally only a 5% better performance but adds an extra ~20% price increase. If
To be honest it's less than 5%

>>101528945
He is not talking about your cooling

>>101524126
ONE MORE MICROCODE PATCH PLEASE
JUST ONE MORE MICROCODE PATCH
IT WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING PLEASE JUST ONE MORE MICROCODE PATCH

>>101525039
great if you live in nevada

>>101529345
>your shit is crashing
>it's the high power draw, just lower it with these new bios settings
>your shit is dying
>new bios to fix tvb bug
>your shit is still dying
>NEW MICROCODE UPDATE, THIS ONE WILL COMPLETELY FIX THE ISSUE, don't forget to buy Arrow lake in 3 months
The worst part is I was actually interested in arrow lake and was planning on a build.

>>101524126
So what Intel is saying is that I should upgrade to a Core i7-7800X3D

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Is a server motherboard the only way to get a reasonable amount of pcie lanes without any scam artist bullshit? Is the capability to run 2 4090s and 8 ssds at full speed really too much to ask?

>>101529464
kek pretty much

>>101529466
>>101529466
Same reason why nvidia gimps their cards vram, no reason to buy the expensive server chip when the cheaper consumer shit will run what you need.

>>101529466
Yes.
Next best thing is to use a riser cable, but you might have to sacrifice speed depending on how long the cable is.
Luckily most server mobos are cheap now. The previous two gen's server mobo is only around $800 used on ebya.

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>>101525990
Anyone familiar with M.2 stuff above?

>Thermal Pads
Do I need to really swap them in thickness if I'm using Samsung 990 Pro / 980 Pro 2TB models which I am to understand are single sided? The default config seems to be for dual sided modules, but I wonder if the thickness is really an issue. For the 2 slots on the board itself, there are pre-applied thermal pads both on the back of the shroud/guard that would be on top of the drive, and then there's a pad below the slot/over the PCB it seems too. I'm also curious ifi t would be worth the trouble to replace any default pads with Arctic TP-3 which (along with ThermalGrizzly MinusPad Extreme) seems to be some of the highest performance thermal pads out there.

>Rubber Bumper
As pic related, it talks about cutting out part of the lower pad and installing a rubber bumper thing to lift up the pad slightly. It says optional,but I am wondering how much of an impact it may have if any?

>ROG GEN-Z.2 module w/heatsink
Another post I'll see if I can get a picture of this, but there's basically a custom DIMM slot next to the standard RAM ones and its made for this card, which supports 2 M.2 drives on it and if I'm reading it correctly, using these do not interact with any of the other PCI-E / M.2 slots' lanes. One side is 5.0 capable and I think goes to the CPU, the other is 4.0 and is from chipset. I remember reading there is some performance or latency issue using chipset-based lanes, but it may be basically negligible in practice?

>>101529760
nvme thermals are literally a non-issue
you're the only schizo here who's freaking out about this shit
>t. someone who uses samsung 990 pro 2tb and 4tb respectively and only reach 30-40c on them

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>>101529760
Using the stock thermal pads on my ASUS ROG Strix Gaming WiFi-A. I did not do that optional thing with the rubber.
I don't know how how a 990 PRO is but it shouldn't even be that big of a difference.

>>101525990
>>M.2 Slot 1 on board itself PCI-E 5.0 that I think can be used without fucking with anything else
>>M.2 Slot 2 on board itself PCI-E 5.0 , BUT will gimp your Main PCI-E x16 slot down to X8 if used
>>Optional M.2 card adapter thing that goes into the 2nd PCI-E x16 , gimping first slot to x8 and/or 2nd slot to x4 depending if M.2 Slot 2 is enabled or not
>>ROG Gen-Z2 "kinda like a big fucking DIMM with heatsinks on it and a special slot" adapter card, which has 2 M.2 slots on it, one PCI-E 5.0 and one PCI-E 4.0. Either the 5.0 is CPU and the 4.0 is chipset or they'r both chipset?
That's actually a pretty shitty layout wtf
I wouldnt have expected this from a crosshair extreme board

>>101528756
CPUs are so cheap now. Ram and storage ok.
Motherboards overpriced. GPUs pants on head retarded.

>>101528564
>>101528474
Alright
What's the best options as far as brand/model if I just care about build quality and temps?

>>101529958
btw this was vibes based analysis

>>101524126
>they confirmed the rumor that they were pushing way too many volts tot he CPU
>also confirmed that there was oxidation in some early CPUs, before 2023
Looks like an everybody was right situation, either way this has killed my desire to buy Arrow lake and that unfortunately means that I won't be buying Intel until AM5 is end of life at best.

>>101530068
>they confirmed the rumor that they were pushing way too many volts tot he CPU
They didnt own up to that
They only said there was a bug causing overvolting, implying that they were not in the wrong for fusing cpus with 1.5-1.55v VIDs

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>>101529806
My concerns are beyond just wanting lowest temps, but I read about some high-to-point-of-shutdown temps on some PCI-E 5.0 drives until they got a big chunky thermalright heatsink; I'm guessing that most 3.0 and 4.0 drives don't have many issues provided they're properly cooled one way or another. I just want to make sure things are making proper contact/fit with pre-installed pads even if the manual claims they're for a thicker dual sided SSD design and my drives are single sided.
>>t. someone who uses samsung 990 pro 2tb and 4tb respectively and only reach 30-40c on them
Not sure what mobo you're using, but I'm guessing you're just using stock pre-installed everything?

>>101529853
Thanks, that's helpful. Just to confirm you mean stock as in pre-installed, not the box-included stock replacement pads (as opposed to aftermarket)? Good to know its all working.

>>101529902
That isn't the entire layout really. Overall its arrangement is pretty solid (pic related partially, but its still working with the X670E so it can only have so many lanes on CPU and chipset. I'm just used to old X99 (what I'm typing this on, a Haswell-E 5960X in a Rampage V Edition 10. Damn good board for a long time) HEDT where the threshold for worrying about lanes was much higher. As far as I've seen the Extreme is one of the best X670E boards with a lot of good features including USB4 and in fact even on M.2 I think it has the most potential 5.0 slots (I also looked into the MSI GODLIKE, Aorus Extreme, AsRock TaiChi Carrera etc) but it still has to deal with the limits of the platform unfortunately; something I think AMD ought to change in future versions if they're going to keep Threadripper / PRO in the workstation focus

Recently upgraded my Ryzen 1600X to a 5700X. Should I also upgrade my RTX 2060 to a 4060 Ti? I play at 1080p

>>101530239
4060 Ti has horrible price to performance ratio, and the 8GB model lags like shit since it spills VRAM.
If you are playing at 1080p you might save a lot of money getting a secondhand 3060 12GB instead.

>>101530239
Upgrade to an arc A770 it's better than the 4060 ti

>>101530208
>but I read about some high-to-point-of-shutdown temps on some PCI-E 5.0 drives until they got a big chunky thermalright heatsink
nigga, you do know the 990 pro is a pcie 4, not 5? why the fuck are you worrying about something that doesnt even concern you?
lol

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>>101530282
I completely forgot that intel made dedicated GPUs until I read your post
what the FUCK are they doing?

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i enabled csm in the BIOS of my new server, and now its stuck on this screen. i dont know how to fix this. would taking the CMOS battery out fix the issue?

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>>101520269
7950x3d now or wait for the 9950x. I am gonna do mostly blender/unreal 5 dev work and some gaming.

Was going to wait on the 9950x but a bit hesitant since AMD shit the bed with the 7950x3d launch and it took them years to get their shit together.

>>101530386
>what the FUCK are they doing?
Trying to break out into the burgeoning AI market and break the stranglehold Leatherjacket Man has over the world. Hopefully, Battlemage impresses (efficiency per die area and transistor count from leaks is promising).

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i also havent been able to boot into the ssd of my server, only into a usb version of linux. it doesnt output any video from any of the 6 GPUs either, i can only remotely access it from my PC. if anyone has any ideas for that, it would be greatly appreciated. i got into my current issue because of a recommendation from someone in a different thread. he told me to enable csm, which broke things even further. im an idiot, can someone help me?

>>101530407
it one week anon
you have to be the one to make the decision

>>101530110
Yes they did, I went to the reddit thread and the Intel guy said there was oxidation but only for early CPUs and that the current issue was not because of that. I'll go look for the link for you give me a minute.

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>>101530282
>it's better than the 4060 ti
anon...

>>101530110
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/1e9mf04/intel_core_13th14th_gen_desktop_processors/
So that you don't have to hun down the answer -> Questions about manufacturing or Via Oxidation as reported by Tech outlets:

Short answer: We can confirm there was a via Oxidation manufacturing issue (addressed back in 2023) but it is not related to the instability issue.

Long answer: We can confirm that the via Oxidation manufacturing issue affected some early Intel Core 13th Gen desktop processors. However, the issue was root caused and addressed with manufacturing improvements and screens in 2023. We have also looked at it from the instability reports on Intel Core 13th Gen desktop processors and the analysis to-date has determined that only a small number of instability reports can be connected to the manufacturing issue.

For the Instability issue, we are delivering a microcode patch which addresses exposure to elevated voltages which is a key element of the Instability issue. We are currently validating the microcode patch to ensure the instability issues for 13th/14th Gen are addressed.

I'll be on the thread for the next couple of hours trying to address any questions you folks might have. Please keep in mind that I won't be able to answer every question but I'll do my best to address most of them.

Thanks

Lex H. - Intel

>>101530110
There you go>>101530558

so few weeks ago i got ricin 7800x3d since the local store had it as an ok price + 10% discount
but i wonder if that was foolish and it would be smarter to wait for the 8000 cpus which will have gay tracing and all that and probably push the 7800 prices even lower

Not really a build question per se, but do you guys have any go-tos or really insider tips on what to pick up for some massive external game storage? I've got a few loose drives, but the biggest one has been having read/connection issues so I feel like it's better to just consolidate into one huge one.

But I can't shake the feeling that any disk drives at high TB counts are just a fuckfest waiting to happen, and I can't afford a 10TB SSD.

>>101530592
idk lol

>>101530598
decide how much you want to spend on this, divide it by two and then buy two of the biggest drives you can at that cost and set up freefilesync to do an automatic backup

>>101530558
i was right
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/101511818/#101513667
get fucked
i rule pcbg now

>>101530626
I'm more interested in what someone who cares would consider a good or bad option when it comes to the actual drives/products themselves. I'd rather not spend $250+ and have the plates crack in a week because it's refurbished junk.

>>101530664
bathtub curve
even brand new high quality drives can fail early
you want to avoid data loss? have a backup

>>101530652
It's funny how they're claiming it's a bug, let's see if they can keep that 6ghz+ boost without the 1.5+ volts.

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>>101522264
just got the FO32U2P, the DP 2.1 makes all the difference

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>>101530693
there's no way they can do that
another prediction from the oracle: 14th/13th gen will be scaled back to 12th gen voltages (~1.3 V), which means you are going to see maximum boost clocks of around 5.3-5.5 GHz
they might also downclock the ring to 12th gen levels since it seems extremely sensitive to voltage (consumers don't tend to notice slow RAM/interconnects since it only affects 1% lows)

>>101530558
Intel will know which lots (trays) of CPUs fall in the range of oxidization issues by serial. They will need to issue a formal recall on those and ideally advance cross-ship free replacements to owners to reduce downtime to the absolute minimum.

>>101520269
I fucked up and got AMD 7800x3d, aorus master x670e but didn't notice I got a fucking god damn 4090 rog strix btf and now I don't know what to replace. I think I could just get a z790 and switch to intel, so what's a good intel in the same range of 7800x3d

please help what is the easiest way out?? I fucked upppp

>>101530745
I would replace the gpu
fuck proprietary connectors

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Where did it all go wrong...

How does the 5600X hold up to this day for 1080p gaming?
I was planning to get a 5700X3D but since I live in a thirdoid shithole it's like $120 above the 5600X because of ordering through amazon + courier services. Meanwhile I can easily get a 5600X for just $115 locally and it includes warranty and what not.
Is the difference between 5600X and 5700X3D really worth $120?
By the way, is the Wraith Cooler included with the 5600X decent?

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I don't know a damn thing about PC building, I'm just trying to help my girlfriend replace a PSU. Left is the one that's non-functional, right is the one she bought to replace it. She thought she was getting the same one, but you can see one has fewer cables, not enough of them. On the left one, it says "MODEL D460AM-02 REF. NO DPS-460DB-10 A". This is the one I need, and I simply can't find it anywhere.

(In USA, and if it matters, budget is however much one of these costs. I need it.)

What CPU should I get for unity development?
Will a 7800X3D cut it or should I get something with more cores?
Im upgrading from a ryzen 1600 and I'll probably get a 4080 to pair it with to replace my RX480

>>101530745
replace the gpu
4090 strix has a high risk of coil whine anyway

>>101530737
they already said it affects few cpus
that means no (expensive) recall

>>101530764
i wonder why do they do it
do they actually have some sjw idiot in charge who wants to enforce woke shit?
do they think doing this will be good for PR and sell more CPUs so it's money motivated?
in which case that would be retarded becase hiring incompetent idiots for better PR will not only not work in the sjw case but also lead to the disasters like we have now
and this has happened many times in the past, i can't believe there multi billion dollar corpos keep falling into this same hole over and over again.. it's a multi billion corpo, how can it have idiots in charge? nepotism?

>>101530768
The one on the right should work fine. The little black connectors are for hard drive and optical drives (DVD/BD Burners). And you can daisy chain several off the same cable which is why there are several connectors attached together like that per strand. So unless you have 8 hard drives or something it should be fine.

>>101530770
moar coars is going to be better if you're actually serious about it

>>101530796
>how can it have idiots in charge?
Its a tale as old as time
The people who are best in climbing the (corporate) ladder are usually the people you don't want running the organization since they only have self-interest in mind. It happens even to governments

>>101530812
>people you don't want running the organization since they only have self-interest in mind.
yeah thats true, the ass lickers get promoted but they are only good at ass licking
the actually good competent employees who actually do their job and do it well and quietly get overlook, because from the boss POV the asslicker seems like much more likeable person to him

>>101530766
5600x is fine right now, so is 3600x. Sure you can't get the 5700x3d from AliExpress for cheaper?

It's not so much just the x3d part but also the 2 cores are pretty big

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>>101530803
This is the hard drive. There isn't a connector on this PSU that fits there.

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>>101520269
>the wait never ends

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>>101530889
The center connector with the black/brown cables is PCI-Express, typically used for graphics cards. The one with black/yellow cables looks like a 4-Pin EPS which is optional cable that plugs into the top of some motherboards to give extra power (not necessary tho).

Does that PSU not include any connectors that look like this flat rectangle one in picrel? Those are SATA connectors which is what those black connectors on your PSU in >>101530768 are and what the HDD connects to. What about those hanging off the sides circled in red?

I've literally never heard of a PSU not having ANY SATA connectors no matter how basic.

Alright I’m building a pc for the first time and I’m stuck choosing a GPU I’m hearing conflicting things from all sides but I’ve whittled it down to 3 choices
>RTX 3060 12GB
>RTX 4060
>RX 6700 XT
>All about $300 freedom bucks
Which one should I go for? It’d be paired with 32GB of RAM, Ryzen 5 5600X, and a 1440p monitor.
I need a hand I down wanna waste cash on a shitfuck GPU. Is used a better idea?

>>101520442
Well it did 14.5 hours Prime95 Large FFT's without missing a beat. I'll take that as being stable for that part at least. Gonna do a full 24h of Prime95 blended test and then run some other stuff.

>>101530969
Out of those 6700xt is the best, but there's been sales on rx 6800 lately and if you can swing one of those you'll be set for awhile

>>101530969
6700 XT or 3060 12 GB
you don't want 8 GB at 1440p

>>101530958
Those circled things are like the PCI-E, but with 2 of those little plugs instead of 6.

There's no kind of connector like the one in the image. I'm baffled too.

>>101530768
>>101530889
>PSU so shitty it doesn't even have SATA power

>>101531006
>>101531019
I see
I’ve heard bad things about AMD GPUs, are they as bad as dudes online say?

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>>101530969
>Which one should I go for? It’d be paired with 32GB of RAM, Ryzen 5 5600X, and a 1440p monitor.
>I need a hand I down wanna waste cash on a shitfuck GPU. Is used a better idea?
Not going to lie, at $300 budget for 1440p used is your best option. Full stop.
For $300 you can get one of several 6800 non-XTs right now:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/364994865363

And slightly more @ $378 you can get a 6800 XT which is a FAR stronger card than the vanilla version but both it and the non-XT dominate the 6700 XT/3060/4060s.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/326208151633
https://www.techspot.com/review/2462-amd-radeon-6750xt/
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-magnetic-air/36.html

>>101531051
you have 30 days to return the card if you have issues
i won't give you a conclusive answer, because if you do have issues you'll blame me, but i'm typing this on a 6700 XT

>>101531022
Different anon here, how old is this PC and what are the specs? Or, more to the point, is it even worth repairing? Because if it's 7th gen or older I'd be inclined to dump (recycle) it and build a basic 12100 system.

>>101530407
7950x3d
Unless you're wiling to wait for the motherboards as well. Buying Zen 5 with 2 years old board feels redundant, especially if you're planning on getting the flagships. Knowing AMD, It's possible there's going to be some issues in the first few weeks. Best to just wait until everything are stable and compatible.
And I predict by the time they released X870, everything should be fine at that point.

But Arrow Lake might be out by then, 9000x3d is also a possibility. And we don't know how good they're going to be.
So in short, either get 7000 now while the price drops, or wait a few months when you can choose between 9000 + X870 or Core Ultra.

>>101530889
There is a power connector already attached to the drive, it's just missing wires :))

>>101531051
I'm on a 6700xt right now and everything works perfectly, before this gtx 1070, before that r9 290

Only regret is I didn't get a rx 6800 because I have a 4k 144hz display

>>101531022
>There's no kind of connector like the one in the image. I'm baffled too.
Jesus... Return it then.
Literally ANY PSU should be able to get that PSU up and running again.
Here's a quality basic unit for $40: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014W3EMAO

>>101531116
>to get that PSU up and running again.
*that system

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>>101531101
>new boards
>its the same but with usb4

Now that intel fixed all the problems you can buy a cpu that makes equal perf to amd minus the reduced voltages, and after you disable estrogen cores you only end up with 3x energy bill as a result.

>>101531116
It might look like an ATX unit but Dell are known for using proprietary components.

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>>101520269
it seems that my GPU just suddenly stopped working. NVIDIA. some popup saying something something "ShadowPlay" blablabla "nvsapi64.dll is not a valid Win32 application" appeared a few weeks ago but I ignored it. Now the NVIDIA control panel doesn't detect any GPU. When I boot up the PC, the GPU's fans don't turn, nothing happens. I uninstalled the drivers with DDU and now I can't even reinstall them cause no compatible GPU is detected during setup.
What do?
I booted into BIOS and saw nothing about GPUs. I unplugged and replugged the cable thingy.

I'm broke, unemployed and disillusioned. This was my one chance at learning GPU programming and I had just downloaded Unreal too.

If it's bricked I'm gonna kill myself.

>>101531069
>>101531078
>>101531109
Gotcha, if I can swing it I’ll go for a 6800 but otherwise 6700 XT it is. Granted the most graphically intensive game i might play on this thing is like, Monster Hunter or Yakuza but it’s nice to have something that’ll run well for a long while
Does it do good with streaming while playing (like to discord)

>>101531134
It's a sign you shouldn't get into gpu programming

>>101531160
>Does it do good with streaming while playing (like to discord)
quality is a bit shit but discord streaming is 720p30 so it doesn't matter
that is really the only advantage of the 4060, it has AV1 encoding

>>101531162
This. Notice how he doesn't mention what GPU he had, he knows it is shit and still he shitposts for a solution.

>>101531134
try plug gpu to differnet mobo slot
maybe you're using intel cpu and its causing issues

>>101531162
maybe. If so, message recieved, God. Now please fix my GPU. At least let me play around with Unreal engine. I've completely lost passion for dev and this had a sliver of a chance of reigniting it
>>101531201
4060 ti

>>101531202
I'm using AMD. But I'll try whatever you say and anything else anons might suggest before looking for the rope

>>101531175
forgot about discords bullshit streaming limitations, thanks

>>101531230
its pretty low chance a gpu just dies, but mobos break constantly
also since its amd you might need a bios/chipset update to remove problems

Hi anons, just built my new pc a few days ago and my PSU would occasionally make a buzzing sound. I initially thought it was just coil whine but I just found out that it would only buzz when I'm in the shower. I assume it has nothing to do with my PSU and it's an issue with the wiring in my apartment? Can I just ignore it or is there a safety concern?

>>101531220
>4060 ti
That's a fairly new gpu. Try claiming your warranty?

>>101531269
Electric shower?

>>101531279
Yes

>>101531279
obviously the water creates a ground loop between the shower and the psu

Knowing that older Samsung SSDs made in 2022 had a possible firmware bug that really fucks things up, I am trying to update the firmware for them before I install my OSes etc. At the moment, I'm trying to get an 870 EVO 2TB updated and pulled the latest ISO from the website. Unfortunately, the latest version for the SATA drives seems a bit of an issue, its Samsung firmware update utility 3.1 (from 2021) that boots some syslinux version. Also, using Rufus unlike the PCI-E 990/980 Pro firmware update utility, this ISO seems to only want to pull down MBR and BIOS , not giving an option for GPT / UEFI. When I attempted to boot it normally, it of course didn't work from the UEFI manner. I was able to get around it by enabling CSM and having legacy boot so that's okay but...
>The damn thing doesn't detect my keyboard, thereby its completely unable to get past the initial "press any key" bit.
The keyboard and mouse work just fine in UEFI,but as soon as boots the ISO from USB stick...nothing. Ideas?

>>101531306
>The keyboard and mouse work just fine in UEFI,but as soon as boots the ISO from USB stick...nothing. Ideas?
check for "legacy USB support" in the BIOS or something similar

>>101531284
I'm gonna be honest I'm retarded when it comes to shit like this. Should I be concerned?

>>101531282
Sounds like a wiring issue then. Voltage drop causing coil whine would be my immediate thought but I'm no electrician. I hadn't considered a ground loop like >>101531284 suggests but it's possible if your house is badly grounded (very common prior to ~1970). Try testing it on a different outlet. Ideally one you know is on a different circuit.

>>101531322
Good idea, thanks anon. I'll check it. Forgot about that stuff, thought it would have been turned on if it was present in the BIOS /UEFI itself.

>>101531331
Got it, thank you anon. Also I'm using a cheap extension if that changes anything.

>>101531269
First question, are you using a grounded power outlet? Or is the overall wiring in your house just shit as is?
Your heater goes on when you shower, no? Otherwise how else would you have hot water. They don't happen to be in the same grid-group?
Anyway, something sounds fishy about the outlet or setup, in the longterm it can cause problems. Also don't use ungrounded power outlets for your expensive AF machines when the plugs clearly indicate they prefer grounded outlets.

>>101531230
ryzen is known to kill its internal pci-express lanes
have you tried another pci-express slot? or another computer?

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>>101531367
>Also I'm using a cheap extension
>build 1k-1,5k system
>cheap out on the power extension cord
>obvious issues and warning signs
>uuh guys will his cause problems?
Common sense, use it Anon.

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ok I grabbed the mobo + cpu + ram
fucker gave it without a box, bag, or anything, says he bought 5 PCs for a customer, then customer said I only need 3, so its brand new, and it looks brand new. has warranty, but without box I wonder if its legit
3600 with stock cooler
2x 8gb 3600
B450M-HDV R4.0

Gonna pick up the cheapest 6600 XT Sapphire Nitro+ after work and get assembling

>>101531433
even if an extension cable craps out and causes some sort of short circuit the fuse will trip and nothing will happen
you just buy a slightly better extension cable

>>101531322
>>101531348
Shit, no go. It was already enabled. I just booted it directly from the BIOS/UEFI using the BootOverride function where you just pick any of your bootable devices , but it doesn't work.

As soon as the whole
>Syslinux 6.03 2003-2014
>decompressing kernel
thing starts, the keyboard is not functional. When its finished decompressing kernel and loads, it gets into that title screen with update utility 3.1 (dated 2021), a warning about how the Samsung SSD must stay powered through the whole thing or else things will go to hell etc... and then
>press any key to continue
without any luck. I wonder if it has to do with the old as fuck syslinux version ? The particular keyboard (an old Corsair K70 ; I think its detected as multiple devices so maybe that's the issue? I could try my Glorious GMMK Pro but that too I'm sure can be detected as multiple devices as well)? Something else?

>>101526223
rape rape rape
> from a i5 13600k to a 7800x3d ?
seems dumb that cpu is plenty strong already
also dummy buying intel if you are a gaymer cunnyseuour

>>101531464
why DO people buy intel for anything relate to home pc use?

>>101531446
That depends on whether or not the extension cord was in a grounded wall pocket. If it dunks out and causes an instable voltage flux then it will either go for the ground-rail or it will hit the system causing the surge protection. The surge protection is however not fool-proof and your mobo and other components can still get damaged.
Same with those lightning-protection extension cords, they don't work unless your wall socket is grounded because nothing can catch the surge when it hits.

>>101531477
I forgot to add that yes, sure it can trigger the fuse box, but I know from personal experience that if something is glitchy (such as a PSU) it won't always trigger the fuse box. In my case a leaking PSU (I could feel the current running through the case itself when placing my hand on it) can trigger the mobo's surge protection at times, but it won't trigger the fuse box. It resulted in having to replace ram (warranty luckily) and the PSU itself.
The same could happen with a glitchy AF extension cord, plenty of cases where people's systems started showing signs that something was wrong without triggering the fuse box.

>>101531477
>>101531501
we don't care about your ramblings bro, this is about PC's, contact an electrician

>>101531473
I simply support palestinian genocide

>>101531548
what does this have to do with building pc's

>>101531553
>>101531553
>>101531553

>>101531473
just feels smoother than AMD

>>101531442
good luck with your ancient cpu anon

>>101531567
13th gen is horribly unresponsive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ot96M9RM6o
there's nothing good about this architecture other than synthetic benchmarks

>>101531571
>5 years old
>ancient
gas all pr*grammers and g*mers

>>101531433
>>101531446
>>101531477
>>101531501
Same dumbass anon here, I'm going to get a better extension cable, however this wall socket is the only one that I can use in my room. If it is ungrounded like some anons have suggested, what should I do?

>>101531619
if theres some problem from electrical fault you just bill to the insurance company

>>101531619
>If it is ungrounded like some anons have suggested, what should I do?
A better quality extensioncord will help for sure, there is little else you can do that doesn't involve an electrician. I never had real issues using ungrounded sockets with normal use, these days surge protection on mobos is a lot better than it used to be, but if you ignore glitchy half-broken issues because "it still works so why would I" then there's a higher chance of breaking components. Just look up sneak current, it just shortens the lifespan of some components in the long run.
>>101531701
Insurance won't do shit, besides the value they put on electrical devices that are used daily or older then a couple of months is extremely low. You have better luck sending broken components to the manufacturer feigning ignorance if you have warranty.

>>101531582
Based
As a 3 year user of coffee lake refresh and 18 month user of RPL, raptorlake never felt as snappy as CFL did outside of games
Thankfully I sold my bags before this blew up

>>101530737
Nope, the guy said it only "affects a few CPUs" so just go through the RMA process if your shit is failing.

>>101531701
>>101531733
Just tried it with all of the other wall sockets in my apartment and it still buzzes when I turn on the heater so fuck me I guess. Anyways thank you anons for the help.

>>101531794
i wish i had a 9900K to compare with my 5800X
it feels super nice to use but well, the grass is always greener on the other side
would also be much more fun to overclock