>Intel has announced that it has found the root cause of the crashing issues plaguing its CPUs. The company will issue a microcode update to address the issues by mid-August, ostensibly ending the long-running saga that began when the first sporadic reports of CPU crashing errors surfaced in December 2022 and grew to a crescendo by the end of 2023. Intel's response comes after complaints about the issue, which causes PCs to inexplicably crash/BSOD during gaming and other workloads, reached a fever pitch in recent weeks. However, the microcode update will not repair impacted processors.>Intel's advisory says an erroneous CPU microcode is the root cause of the incessant instability issues. The microcode caused the CPU to request elevated voltage levels, resulting in the processor operating outside its safe boundaries. Intel is now validating a microcode patch to correct the issues, with its release slated for mid-August. This patch will be distributed through BIOS updates from motherboard OEMs, so the timing for end-user availability could vary. >The bug causes irreversible degradation of the impacted processors. We're told that the microcode patch will not repair processors already experiencing crashes, but it is expected to prevent issues on processors that aren't currently impacted by the issue. For now, it is unclear if CPUs exposed to excessive voltage have suffered from invisible degradation or damage that hasn't resulted in crashes yet but could lead to errors or crashes in the future.>Intel advises all customers having issues to seek help from its customer support. Because the microcode update will not repair impacted processors, the company will continue to replace them. Intel has pledged to grant RMAs to all impacted customers.With this fix, our 13/14th gen cpus will finally reach their full potential!We're so back!!
They're not going to be able to fix this a software update.
The damage is done. Any chips that have been overvolting up until now are irreparably damaged and time bombs waiting to go off.This is just to cover their ass and limit the return window.
>undervolt and downclocks chips to salvage life>performance goes down the shitterYep I'm thinking Intel is finished.
>>101528571>High voltage due to poorly engineered circuitry>"patch is on the way"
don't care, still using my 2500k
What is the ideal PC/computer model for the person who hates Steam, hates Valve, hates PC gaming, hates Gabe Newell, hates Steam Deck, and wants an anti-gamer PC in everything?play on PC is equal to blasphemy
>>101528577Idk get a mac
>>101528571why would you buy a processor with weak cores?
>>101528577A gun and one bullet given how many years you've been posting this asinine question type on different boards.
>>101528574Unironically this. They pushed the benchmark too far in order to keep up with AYYmd. Not only are they not able to compete in the current market, they have proven themselves to be completely irrelevant.AMD-bros, this is our time!
>>101528578Reasons why an Apple Mac is ideal for the person who hates PC gaming and wants an anti-gamer computer?
>>101528581cope
>I-it's uuh, it's uuuh a bug! a glitch! Microcode! Real low level stuff! You wouldn't understand!>"release undervolt/downclock update so less units break">There, we fixed it!Sure Intel lmao
>>101528582Macs are just better and you're supporting ARM instead of x86
>>101528585And what is the most anti-gamer apple Mac model of all?
>>101528586macbook airdrinking a venti latté at starbuckswriting your manuscript
>>101528571Voltages AGAIN? Haven't they already issued a fix few months ago? I call bullshit.
>>101528582usually game devs add mac support as an afterthought because nobody with a brain buys a mac for gaming, they buy it to look cool at starbucks with their gay hipster friends
>>101528588if they call it a hardware defect they will have to pay out
>>101528587https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=Macbook%20Air%20Used&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-156598-679417-4&mkcid=2&mkscid=102&keyword=macbook%20air%20used&crlp=657512911882_&MT_ID=585586&geo_id=&rlsatarget=kwd-295830255339&adpos=&device=m&mktype=&loc=1003685&poi=&abcId=1141816&cmpgn=6540685836&sitelnk=&adgroupid=83898183012&network=g&matchtype=b&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3ePeoeu7hwMVuqBaBR1CqgIwEAAYAiAAEgIxE_D_BwE
>>101528585>Macs are just better>Broken USB-C port>"That'll be 600 burgerbux + tax"Lol, perchance even lmao
>>101528586Power Mac G3Power PC architecture so it can't play any x86 games or Steam, too weak to run native games at the time, little to no software support now that isn't on Linux.
>>101528583>world recordWorthless dogshit. Nobody is using liquid nitrogen for daily use.
Holy shit. That mangy, old guy with the long hair was right. I thought Intel was going to sue him.
Thanks Steve.
>>101528594mmmmmm amdlet cope
>>101528597post your CPU hitting 9ghz
>>101528571>However, the microcode update will not repair impacted processorsno refunds
But didn't Level1Techs and Steve GN mention that it can't be fixed by microcode updates?These batch and the next batch of Intel processors are going to be duds.
>>101528598He can't. His CPU crashes everytime it tries to boost.
>>101528571>their solution is unironically a fucking undervoltHoly shit
>>101528571>>The bug causes irreversible degradation of the impacted processors. We're told that the microcode patch will not repair processors already experiencing crashes, but it is expected to prevent issues on processors that aren't currently impacted by the issue. uhhhhhh
>>101528598i dont need to, elmor did it >>101528583post an amd processor hitting 9ghzi have an £300 i5 and it never even reaches full load on anything i playkeep coping amdtroon
>>101528583this is like those engine noise competitions where retards compete to see whose car is the loudest
>>101528583what a fucking retard you are
>>101528596That will never cease to not give me a sensible chuckle.
>>101528571dont carestill tossing my jewtel chip into the trash for a 9800x3dcannot believe i let a discount sucker me into intel for me last build
>he boughted Shitnel in 2018+8
>>101528571>took them almost 2 years to figure out it was a voltage issueare they for real? jesus christ
If anyone actually believes intel's PR statement you are a top tier sucker.
>>101528571they literally gonna lower the performance of their overpriced Cpu's.
>>101528571SAAR, We DID It!Just Underclock Needfully and it's Great!
My last Intel processor was the 2500k. After thats its been nothing but Ryzen. Works great, and not my problem!
>>101528608Same. >oh wow guys we definitely didn't know this error was happening as we dissembled for a year or more>here's some microcode to reduce your performance, now go spend weeks dealing with customer support and wading through an RMA Fuck 'em. Never buying an Intel product again. >>101528609Yeah, it was more than a hundred dollars cheaper than the amd equivalent when I built. Never felt so shystered by a purchase before. >>101528610They are so full of shit. If this hadn't been on the verge of becoming a mainstream PR issue those fuckers would have kept pretending things were all fine.
>tfw buyed boughted a 13700klast time i'm listening to a friend for suggestionsfuck intel aviv and fuck you marco
>>101528577>person who hates Steam, hates Valve, hates PC gaming, hates Gabe Newell, hates Steam Deck, and wants an anti-gamer PCSo you're gay. Could've just said that.
>>101528616I've literally based all my boughts on Nexus Jesus recommends for my last couple upgrades and they're all been great so far. I always check with other sources as well but he's never failed me so far
>>101528616I've had a 13700k for over a year now and no crashing problems at all.
How long until he gets suicided?
>>101528620Wendell will protect him with his massive girth
>>101528571You can't 'patch' hardware issues, sounds like corporate cope
>>101528571Uh does this affect 14700K CPUs?
>>101528623Yes, they fail at a lower rate than i9 chips though
>>101528622it's a voltage issue, so hat they gonna do is downclock all their 13 and 14 gens Cpus and people should be able to sue the fuck out of them.
Zen 5 is a week away, they're fucking toast
>>101528625This is a good point. Everyone essentially paid for extra performance that was detrimental to the chips themselves, and now it will be taken away entirely. Class action suit should be coming after this.
>>101528627Oh boy, $20 in 3 years.
>Money goes to Best China and worksor>Money goes straight to Tel Aviv and doesnt workReal fuckin noggin joggin goin on, here
>>101528571>mid-AugustHow about now?
>>101528574a corporation as gigantic as intel isn't going to be "finished" because of one fuckup. You people are fucking delusional
>>101528577something with chromeOS, just super locked down linux, and everything that ships with it has impotent hardwareif that's too much, some ancient business thinkpad, preferrably with 8gb of ram or less and a 1366x768 screen
>>101528571Damn, should I download some more RAM too?
>>101528571More like it wasn't built properly to handle intended voltage so now they're going to be worse performing
>>101528628It's not $20 for Intel. And they deserve it.
>>101528631This isn't one fuckup. This is the latest fuckup after letting AMD catch up through the 6th to 10th gen cpus and then trying to rush improvement when they weren't pushing thier manufacturing nodes technology forward for almost a decade.
>>101528631>he unironically believes the too big to fail memetell me you're underage without telling me you're underage
>>101528600The ones that have already started randomly rebooting definitely can't
>>101528637Well he is right that one fuckup, even a string of huge fuckups isn't close to enough to topple a company like Intel. but over time it can. but it is a very slow process.
so basically intel overclocked past the breaking point to sell chips at performance they can't handle and now you're going to get a underperforming CPU that can't deliver what it was sold as?i would demand a refund and switch to a different CPU maker or make damn sure that the piece of shit isn't overclocked by intel's marketing team
>>101528635Have you never looked at the totals for those payouts? $10 million is pocket change for the company.
>>101528583Cant wait to play some CPU frequency world record on my PC cooled with nitro! Fuck yeah man
>>101528641Okay, what is your point? That it shouldn't happen?
>>101528639>customers realize they were sold bullshit>the company tries to save face with giving customers underperforming trash CPU's>customers lose trust in company and switch to competitionanon i'm pretty sure intel needs to sell their products to keep the lights on and those paychecks flowing, unless of course they're going to become what amd started as aka budget hardware provider that provides inferior products at affordable priceslets see the layoffs
>>101528643That payouts are usually a slap on the wrist. They will barely notice and have no issue doing the same thing again.
>>101528631hate to tell you anon, but their market share has been dwindling for years. this will send a resounding massage to normos and corpos that they are now also faulty
>>101528571Th-this won't mean throttled all-core frequencies, r-right?
>>101528644I don't get what you think you are saying. You think that after today intel will not be able to sell CPUs? Do you not realize that most people are probably not even aware of this issue at all?
Int-cels on suicide watch
>>101528648>stock prices drop>normos panic and look for reason why>the closest "tech savvy" magazine for boom booms tells them that they sold shitty CPU's>normos show how much customer loyalty matters to them if the product is trashanon people were stockpiling toilet paper during corona because they were afraid that it was going to run out based on rumor, what do you think they do when they see stock prices dip?normos don't know how shit works, they just see line go down and some neckbeard that looks like they know what they're talking about on some youtube video their nephew linked them telling intel CPU is le bad and they'll pull out
>>101528650I don't think the people you're talking about check Intel stock prices.
>>101528572>>101528571So how do they issue a patch? Wouldn't this have to be at the BIOS level? Most OEMs can't even be bothered to give you BIOS updates for more than a few years due to the sheer volume of boards.
>>101528647Sorry bro, it's over.Enjoy your 10-20% performance loss.
>>101528577You sound retarded so I'd second getting a Mac.
>>101528651>old people don't religiously look at stock priceswhy do you any big company like tesla etc can rain make them so easily? that's the only thing they know line go up? company must've pulled a miracle out of their assline go down? the company must be on fire and it's time to sell
>>101528652Read the OP
fucking finally now I can sell my shitty ass playstation
>>101528571>patch kneecaps your performance>doesn't even matter since any effected CPU is doomed and it's a matter of "when" not "if">ensures CPU dies outside the RMA windowsasuga, intel-san
>just run the chip without its advertised features goy>retards will listen to themliteral cattle, you deserve to be stuck with 4core i7s until death
>>101528571>>The bug causes irreversible degradation of the impacted processors. We're told that the microcode patch will not repair processors already experiencing crashes, but it is expected to prevent issues on processors that aren't currently impacted by the issue. For now, it is unclear if CPUs exposed to excessive voltage have suffered from invisible degradation or damage that hasn't resulted in crashes yet but could lead to errors or crashes in the future.Hahahahahaha lollmao even
Don't care still buying Intel
>>101528579They're called economy cores anon, you get more for your money, like bulldozer>t.amd
>>101528650>what do you think they do when they see stock prices dip?Idk what world you came from but normos don't see that or know what it means, much less care.
>>101528661based turn the other cheek cuck
>>101528571>pm'd you the solution ;)
>>101528571>irreversible degradation of the impacted processorshahahahahahahahahaget fucked
>>101528590If they keep lying, a lawsuit will come and lose even more money than intended.
>>101528653>might as well still be on 7th gen
>>101528571>tfw bought a i7-14700KF last month.fuck niggers
Imagine if this breaks their CPUs even more HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>101528645a meme class action suit won't do shit but the mass replacements this is going to trigger by anyone sane are going to cost a decent chunk of their consumer business it's not going to bring intel to its knees or anything because these consumer SKUs are not really much of their overall income which is mostly business to business Xeons and such, but they definitely wish they didn't do it
>>101528666Intel will just replace them.
the technologically retarded boomers don't know how shit works, they actually think stock prices are directly linked to the performance of the company, that's why the stock price manipulation works so well because they move with the line, if you can use some happy merchant market manipulation to make the line go up they'll buyif you can somehow make the line dip really good they'll panic sell, that's how it has always been with them and they were and kind of still are a huge demographic, you can literally ruin a company or force a bank to stop giving people their money by scaring the boomers>>101528663boomers do and when the younger normos look at their "investments" in their little phone app that spoonfeeds them the line on demand they'll shit bricksboomers literally made the stock market and they always have some way to look it up, housing market has been kind of stagnant so a lot of them go to "tried and true" old companies that have been around for agesintel has been around since fucking 1968, you really think boomers don't think that that company was worth "investing" money in when houses stopped selling? they might hold onto the houses with bleeding nails but they've seen old companies fall beforethey'll think it's the next blockbuster and run screaming to sell while it still has valueas for the younger normos that check stocks with phone app they'll see a major dip in stock prices and shit their bricks that their hecking 2-5k life savings are going to go down the drain and they'll sell tooit's domino effect, people have literally forced banks to default with their mass hysteria
>he bought intel after 2018
>>101528672and then they will have chips slower than they could have gotten for a cheaper price on AM5we told you to buy AMD bro, we fucking told you
>>101528571>Full potentialYou do realize that by reducing the voltage, that also reduce the performance. Right?
>>101528675That amount of performance is not noticeable.
>>101528571Intel lost their best hardware engineers a decade ago to a fake Chinese start up. They were poached from Intel, moved to China with big promises and money then found out it was all fraud and stuck out there.Intel will never recover from the lost talent because no young people have the experience of the techs that developed what everyone is using today.
>>101528677going from 6 GHz to 5.2 GHz is definitely noticeable
not my problemim still rocking an 8600k
>small metal square somehow magically powers a computer somehow and also needs to cost hundreds of dollarsDoes these people really trying to make me believe this
Any sign of 12th gen being affected as well? I'm running one of those.
intcels still buying
>>101528583It's like Indians proud of being the champion of Special Olympics.
>>101528681You're buying the sand that was taught how to do math that's under the metal square.
>>101528682no, 12th gen is not affected, and they are going to solve the issue by scaling back 13th gen to 12th gen clock speeds12th gen can also clock to 6 GHz if you give it 1.5 V but no one is retarded enough to do that manually
>>101528667they're only have to pay out to the class, less people are likely to join a class action suit than the value of all 13th and 14th gen cpu's ever sold
>>101528683wait until the zoomer nephews link the youtube video of some neckbeard ranting about intel CPU's to their boomer grandpa
>>101528678Intel has been using the same punjabi as their lead tech engineer for the past few decades.
>>101528631>BLOODY BITCH BASTARD THE INTEL IS DOING NEEDFUL!!!
>>101528571Didn't tech jesus also say that there are reports of contamination of the metal layers that the chips are made of too?
>walk into thread >zoomies think the patch is software
>the fix is literally undervolting the CPU and crippling performanceKek
>>101528571>it wasn't a feature, it was a bug guys, haha>we totally didn't run the chips past their limit for benchmarks>>101528691Yeah, it's one of theories. They're having some chips analyzed for some concrete information but that'll take awhile.
I hope AMD pays you faggots well.
>algorithm bugSmells like SAAR got it wrong.
>>101528794remember when you said ryzen 3000 would degrade because of high volts? how did that work out for you?
>>101528571>However, the microcode update will not repair impacted processors.Great, I'll order my FOURTH FUCKING 14900k>With this fix, our 13/14th gen cpus will finally reach their full potential!As in a 30% performance decrease?
>>101528886more like 5-10% loss at worse. Only min-max-types would get their panties in a bunch over it.
>>101528691The problem would be connected with product with defectives and have little or no correlation with voltage and clock speed.The reported symptoms have more common with near-suicide run-tier overclocking.
>>101528886>order my FOURTHsasuga stockholm syndrome
>>101528585>and you're supporting ARMI sure do love me some locked bootloaders and lack of external GPU and RAM!
>>101528693Undervolting doesnt generally cripple performance, it's more likely to drop by around 10-15%.
>>101528571>>101527596
>>101528571ONE MORE MICROCODE PATCH PLEASEJUST ONE MORE MICROCODE PATCHIT WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING PLEASE JUST ONE MORE MICROCODE PATCH
>>101528585>ARMARM is never going to happen, Mactroon. You don't need a powerful CPU to watch hardcore gay porn all day.
>>101528886>>101528939accumulated loss from the past microcode patches would be around 20%
>>101528571>oursurely nobody was stupid enough to buy this garbage and this is a joke post....right?
>>101529412It would be very sad if another security vulnerability was unearthed in the meantime!
>>101528582I dunno, man. I have a M2 Max and keep playing PC and switch games on it. Send help
>>101528612this
>>101528583>posts latest gen>leaves out the datesClockspeed hype was over a decade ago much guy. I have 2500k 4690k 4770 and they're all garbage because intel hid flaws for years like they tried with this one. Sandy Ivy Haswell Devils Canyon and Broadwell are all slower than a 2000 series ryzen and some a first gen. That's how bad they have been fkin up just in the last 10-15 years. They pulled the same shit when athlons first came out. Itanic happened and even had AMD bail them out with x64. Intel hasn't done anything great since the Pentium 2 and 3. Anything afterwards has been acquisitions and mid tier releases.>>101528604Sorry you bought a lemon anon lmao
Who's gonna tell him:>>101528647
Will reviews and benchmarks be updated ?
>>101529465Of course not, that's anti-semitic
>>101528625Enjoy your $12.36 class action payout in six years.
>>101528834People were speculating as there were a number of reports of degrading chips, yes.Remember the segfault issue? AMD just replaces those CPU's. Same will happen here.
>>101528596>>101528607What am I looking at?
>>101528571>buy intel aviv product>get ripped offWho could have foreseen this? It'll only get worse the more they divest from the US and move infrastructure to Israel for no reason at all.
>>101528577risc-v because no software works on it
>>101529720>People were speculating as there were a number of reports of degrading chipsthere were no reports of degrading chipsyou were scared of 1.5 V, you thought AMD couldn't handle playing with fire>Remember the segfault issueyes, that was ryzen 1000
>>101528571>With this fix, our 13/14th gen cpus will finally reach their full potential!By undervolting them? lulz
>>101528577>What is the ideal PC/computer model for the person who hates Steam, hates Valve, hates PC gaming, hates Gabe Newell, hates Steam Deck, and wants an anti-gamer PC in everything?An iphone.
>>101529777>No reason at allKek
>>101528630>releases jeetcode patch that actually doubles the voltage
>>101528573This. Anyone who doesn't realise this is a retard.All 13 and 14 series chips are undetermined levels of fucked. Buy AMD.
Didnt that video with wendell and tech jesus say that this has happened with server grade motherboards and 100% stock voltage settings too?
>>101530747The problem stems from incorrect AC LL setting, which is motherboard specific. Basically the motherboard makers are stupid and intel is retarded for not validating their work.
>>101530755>it can never be intel's fault>it must be the motherboard makersAMD autocorrects for LLC btw
>>101530784I just said it's intel's fault for not checking what the chinks are doing to their $600 chips AND TAKING 2 YEARS TO RECTIFY THE ISSUE. This should have been sorted out before 12th (sic) gen launched.
>>101528571>>101528573>>101530272L M A O at all the intel shills on this board
>>101530747NooooYou see its an issue with the "ALGORITHM" that causes overvoltingDont ask questions and wait for the fix which wont reduce performance (that is conveniently coming after zen5 reviews)
>>101530755>>101530794This ACLL laissez faire deal has been going on for very long. Its only really become an issue now because their 13th and 14th gen chips have NO undervolting headroom and run too close to the edge of stability.
>>101530841I see it's a thing since 10th genintel should do the twitter thing and fire 90% of the 130,000 useless coffee sipping faggots they employ
>>101528617Every hardcore PC gamer I know exhibits the gayest behavior known to man.
>>101530857Its a thing on my z390 boards tooI'd wager its been going on since sandy bridge days or even earlier
>>101530864>Every hardcore PC gamer I knowYou don't know anybody you lonely faggot
>>101530897Nice projection, now go back to grooming children on Discord with your gaymer "friends"
>us goes to war with Israels faulty chips>1 month in drones start self destructing or falling out of the skylmao
>>101530867I think it's just load line calibration without obfuscating behind terms like normal high and extreme
>>101528585>supporting ARMHell no. Device tree is purely barbaric, I'd rather support Loongarch.
>>101530941No. AC Loadline is an intel defined spec and used by the cpu to raise the VID request. LLC is an overclocking feature implemented by board makers to change the loadline slope at the vrm side.
>>101528631Practically everything Intel has done outside of their GPUs has been a fuckup since at least 2017.
>>101530118*quintuples
>>101528571I fucking despise you. I hate you. You who continues to shit up /g/ with the most low-effort engagement threads.Rot away and die.
>>101531146>update to the biggest news of past couple years is actually BAD
>more Intel speed holeslmao
How many people are going to actually update their bios? Is the average person even aware of the degradation problems? I feel like 90% of intel CPUs are going to be dumpstered cause most people dont keep up with CPU happenings
>>101528583>Cooling>Liquid heliumBro, what? Who the fuck has liquid helium?
>>101531546helium is a very common element
>>101531542Games have started showing messages for Intel users. Instability also hurts Microsoft's reputation, so maybe they will be brave enough to show a notification (or they can try to push the new BIOS through Windows Update to as many people as possible).
>>101531546I dont know but its pretty fucked hardcore. Boiling point of nitrogen is -196 celsius while heliums boiling point is -264 celsius. Fucker is playing with something thats within 10 degrees of absolute zero at a bare minimum
>>101528571>Intel tries to "move manufacturing back home" to the USA>it all turns to shitlooks like chinks are simply superior to mulattos
>>101531569>they can try to push the new BIOS through Windows Update Ive heard of malware that can infect the bios so i guess thats possible. Even if it bricks a few motherboards, its better than garanteed CPU failure
>>101531546Helium is used for the same reason as it makes your vocal chords sound funny. It lets the CPU clocks oscillate faster due to less air resistance, basically going at hyperactive chipmunk speed.
>>101531594Yeah intel performs best in israel
>>101531542microcode can be loaded in bootloader or kernel too, you don't need to touch bios
Do you expect lower voltage and same performance? We call it "undervolting." Good luck.
I literally said this three months agojust undervolt
>>101531900I think we're in for part 3 of the saga next month when people find out the undervolt destabilises their system or their operating clocks are decreased by 300mhz
>>101531900>intel is going to send you a free engineer to stress test your undervoltneat
>>101531900That's fine, they already got their benchmarks in. Nobody cares about marginal differences in real world performance
>>101531900undervolting usually gives better performance. if you're losing performance with an undervolt you are obviously retarded and should stick with Apple computers.
>>101528571The only reason why intel is delaying a simple voltage fix for an entire month is because they dont want their underclocked CPUs being compared against zen 5
>>101531900intel said it wont significantly impact perf
>>101531938>intel saidintel lied, CPUs died
>>101528571>a shill thread>an anon thread>both at 200 replieskill yourself already, nobody will get refunds
So about a month to have a geek lower some numbers while unwitting customers are frying their expensive hardware? What a shitshow.
>>101532257you make a better cpu then
>>101532318Just wait a few decades for me to sculpt some silicon with an ultraviolet laser
>>101528571>no link providedget r*ped by a pack of feral n******
>>101528631anon this is just the RECENT fuck up, just like Crowdstrike this is the straw on the camels back
>>101528671They absolutely are part of their main income. Those are also server processors and intel doesn't really have a product that can do what epyc does. Their main income rn is Laptop, but AYYMD is coming for them this gen with aggressive production and numbers.
>>101528596kek
LOL so there was no root cause for literal months and a week after a video comes out stating it's a manufacturing issue and that no Intel CPUs should be purchased by anyone right now SUDDENLY the root cause is found and the patch is coming? lol lmao even
>>101533272They exist in a quantum state for intel, they don't exist until the media observes it
>>101528583if you dump liters of liquid nitrogen on a cpu you can pretty much get any result you wantthe practicality of it is a whole different story
INTEL fanbois on suicide watch
>>101528583>frequency rankingWhat a cherry picked chart. You had to do that because AMD just BTFO in actual benchmarks....again.
>>101528669same
>using a 4790k for last 10 years>figured now would be a good time to upgrade>thought adding a one in front of the model # would be fitting>come back and see all of this
>>101528618Bought a 4000d because of himGood stuff, it was pretty cheap and will last for decades.
>>101534421i was in the same seat as you and foresaw this coming, among all the other issues we already knew of and just got an intel 10th gen 10700k
>>101528571>"bug"oy vey we can't lose 15% performance
>>101528572Yeah it will. BIOS will throttle down your cpu to record benchmarked LOWS. Enjoy your expensive 13/14th gen shit tier cpu.
>>101528619>For now, it is unclear if CPUs exposed to excessive voltage have suffered from invisible degradation or damage that hasn't resulted in crashes yet but could lead to errors or crashes in the future.time bomb
>apply patches for intel 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 series>performance worse or equal than a first or second gen ryzen>apply updates for 13 and 14 series>btw no refunds>performance worse than 3 5 7 series ryzen>money stolen againgood times
>>101534613Based on past behavior, is it likely only going to be the CPUs affected that get the patch, or does it go out to everyone in 13/14?Was looking at an i5-13400, now not sure.
What causes someone to be an intel fanboy right now in 2024? I’m not asking about 10 years ago I’m asking about right this second with all prior knowledge and discounting the “don’t care still buying” contrarian (you) farmers.
>>10153604313400 and all alderlake based chips have a different CPU model so you likely won't be affected And i5s in general lack some of the fancier boosting features that i9s have so I doubt raptorlake i5s will be affected at all
>>101528572>fleet of experienced engineers: this will fix the issue>some retarded NEET: no it won'tWho will win?
>>101528600>but didn't random people who have no access to the internet technicalities and microcode sa-ACK!People put far too much stock into what ecelebs claim.
>>101536154>PR dude: this will fix the issue>Good goys: omg intel found the root cause! Brb buying a 14900ks nao
>>101528571>microcode can fix a critical design flaw
>>101528603You didn’t use your processor until the final firmware was released did you anon?
>>101528648It doesn't matter if they know or not. Nomie doesn't care so he goes to best buy to buy a premade computer. The store doesn't want to deal with a bunch of returns so they stop selling premade computer with intel processor and just like that intel has lost billions in sales.
>>101528583According to this amd fx > amd ryzen>>101528669I made a thread about intel chip degradation like 2-3 months ago on here.
>>101528669Return that shit asap
>>101533272There was a root cause and it was likely known for a month+ at this point. The recent sensation has forced Intel to face the music of their attempts to hardcore overclock their SKUs out of the factory.
I build a new system early last year when there were those reports of some mobos frying AMD cpus so I went with an Intel 13700K just to be safe. Now I have to constantly worry about when the damn cpu will end up dying on me. Fucking great luck
>>10153442110th-12th gen are the CPUs to upgrade to right now.
Qualcum brothers, now is our time
>>101528582Least friendly to gaming, combines the lack of compatibility of linux with the locked down-ness of apple plus weak hardware. If you define your entire personality as being anti-videogames then a macintosh is the perfect system for you.
>intel confirmed oxidation on their cpusBunch of dead CPUs soon as they degrade thanks to the oxidation
>>101528571This is TLDR. I have a 14900k. What do I do?
>>101543094sell it, downgrade to 12th gen, wait a few more years to upgrade, keep an eye on the news so you stay on top of these things instead of finding out after the fact, so must we allyou can also try undervolting your CPU
>>101543094Sell it and buy 7800X 3D
>>101543094Soak it in water, then put it back in and turn it on.Don't try to put paste on it, the water will protect it.
>>101543128made me chuckle a tad bit there, /b/roski
so how many times is this intel has fucked up in a way that results in permanently lost performance?
>>101528573most of these chips still have at least 2 years of warranty
>>101528571still not buying AMD
>>101543140The old ways have been lost. At least some remember
>>101541122Literally why the fuck would anyone do that when ZEN5 is a week away?
so im going to have to spend at least 700 dollars to get out of my intel 12700k? and into a ryzen 9000 series
>>101532257just overvolt it deliberately for a while and RMA it for a new one
>>101543143>14nm is a joke for years>12th gen has bending sockets>13/14th gen has idiotic power draw and now this Literally only drones buy Intel at this point.
Not only incel housefires burn your house down with 300+W but they also burn themselves down now so goyim have a good excuse to buy every new generation of cpus! What a true marvel of jewish technology!
>>101543213ya im already looking into a ryzen 9000 probably 9900x or wait for 99000x3d
>>101528571Intel isn't talking about the Oxidation problem. They are pretending it's not there. And this is not something you can fix with a bios update.The problem with oxidation is so huge that they are misdirecting it to voltage issues in hopes that nobody would notice.
>>101543119I can undervolt it a little bit. It has hit 99c and 100c a few times in Lightroom.>>101543127>>101543128You're mean.
intel fucking up is becoming a yearly tradition at this point like Christmas or a rectal exam
>>101528631it will be if cloud companies stop buying xeons
I regret my 14600kf (runs like shit compared to x3d) but does anyone know if mine will be ok?> water cooled and de-lidded> fixed voltage OC 1.28v with max loadline> z690 aorus motherboard which has had no bios updates since late 2023 (?)> unlocked power limits
>>101543440cloud companies are still busy cleaning up the last major fuck up by a once trusted company
>>101528571>>101528647anon, your CPU not only will have its frequency lowered by a patch, it will start to fail sooner or later anyway. you are fucked.
TOTAL INTEL AVIV DEATH
>>101536043just be aware that this was put off for a long time. you are rolling the dice on 13th or 14th gen at this point. intel has historically shown bad behavior and questionable ethics.
Has Linus made a video on this? Has he held Intel accountable? Any future videos with all the new fancy million dollar equipment he bought to test tech rigorously?
>>101543861Wrt this intel problem, he said on WAN show he was tired of being negative and only wanted to cover positive topics
I like how intel is trying to hand wave away the oxidation issue on 13th Gen sometimes back in 2023 with their reddit post. Pretending it isn't related but is sometimes? JFC.
>>101529251The Mac bootloader is not locked. You can run Linux on them quite easily.
>>101528636They didn't let AMD catch up, they let TSMC catch up.
>>101543897What has he been negative about?
>>101544067that explains why amd gpus rarely equal the high end nvidia cards as of late. imagine if tsmc had to compete with tsmc
>>101543897Guess he's not gonna be talking about intel for a while.
>>101543861i can't wait until we win communism for we can finally drag this trash pig out of his house and redistribute his shit to the community.
>>101543473the speculation right now its the trash bins that are dying if they don't have the oxi problem.trash bins be like the 14900k that needs 1.5v's just to run 5.7ghz or a 13900k that needs 1.5v's just for 5.5ghz.if you are averaging 1.4v's or less you're probably ok. 1.3v or less you shouldn't have any worries.
>>101543861>>101543897>>101545240He regularly gets $5000 kickbacks for his intel build videos. No surprise he wouldn't bite the hand that feed him.
>>101543094if you don't have the oxidation problem (which 14th gen doesn't, intel confirmed this), then its just the voltage problem. current speculation is the trash bins that are dying from strictly voltage problem. trash bins be examples like:>14900k needs 1.5v's for 5.7ghz>13900k needs 1.5v's just for 5.4ghz
>>101528571>we're so back!!Never left. 6Ghz, 13900KS.
>>101528571I think I'll stick with my 6700K for a while longer.>Never obsolete
>>101545511>$5000 kickbacks just for making intel computersimagine all the fillings we could give people with the millions he makes. EAT.THE.RICH
>>101545596didn't know they had internet in the crab bucket
>>101528571does this affect laptop cpus too? i love jewtel
>>101545735no
>>101545735it affects 13900HX cpus too
>>101545511AMD took over that sponsorship
>>101545735no. laptop ones have different problems
>>101528571Thats only going to delay the self destruction of these shit chips.
>>101528669return it and buy zen5 or a 7800x3d brainlet
>>101541122>buying intel instead of amd in 2024based retard>>101543094get a rma replacement and sell if for a zen4/zen5 cpu
Oxidation is also a problem and can't be fixed with a BIOS patch so Intel keeps quiet about that part.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVdmK1UGzGs
>>101528571>back>but oh sorry if your cpu was one of the ones we fried there's nothing we can do sorry buy another one goy
>>101528571not my problem, still on i7-2600k
>>101547228They've only admitted it internallyLike you said, the public statements don't address it at all >https://www.igorslab.de/en/search-for-the-solution-to-raptor-lakes-instabilities-continues/
>>101547621what the fuck do you think the highlighted text is supposed to mean you fucking retard?RETARD, you know the reason they say that is because YOU CAN'T REVERSE DEGRADATION? RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT???????????????????
>>101547718Then GN was wrong and the oxidation is a nothingburger
>>101547737GN was indifferent to it, thought it was one of many possibilities. it was the leunuchs faggot wendell who pushed it, but he doesn't even know what a VID table is or how to read vcore
>>101545596shut the fuck up reddit tranny
>JUST ONE MORE MICROCODE PATCH ARTHUR!
>>101547737Last I saw GN hasn't made a firm declaration, Steve said they are still going to get effected CPUs tested by people that know how to look for such things because they don't. Not sure if that changed recently.
>>101529473>Of course not, that's anti-semiticThis goy understands
Enjoy your 2000 dollar Ryzens. This is unreal and intel's incompetence is going to fuck all of us over, including American jobs since this retardation will just be an excuse to outsource to some other fab.
>>101528571>believing Intel Yeah, this will not fix anything.
>he doubted intelIntel always wins, baby
>>101528577what form of retardation is this?
>>101528577An intel system obviously because AMD is only for gaming
>>101536083>What causes someone to be an intel fanboy right now in 2024?Poor experiences with AMD in the past that make people refuse to buy them ever again. It's more of a "Intel sucks, but they're the only option" thing.
>>101548573>American jobs>most of all types of manufacturing already goneyea all those jobs in America are in jeopardy lmao
>>101528580Go play your vidya, child
