>>101560678
run a 4chan bot farm on it to spam bbc gifs

>>101560678
Well the thing is at that price point you can buy a minipc which is x86 with far better support

Unless you already know your usecase (gpio, embedded, etc), its pointless.
Even as a server a minipc has usurped it.

The only place these SBCs still have a place now is on the very low end (like sub 50$) where you just need a system somewhere for some reason.

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>x86 minipc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brickberry clones
>> brickberry

>>101560678
what cpu

I bought an orange pi 3b 4gb during the raspberry pi crisis and I wish I didn't

is radxa x4 vapor ware?

>>101561454
If you look at energy consumption arm is still a lot better. Don't forget intcel are lying jews about their tdp. A n100 uses like 15w in practice unlike the 5w tdp. Overtime for a server it is still cheaper to get sbc.

>>101561454
in most places where you would use the gpio you would be better off just using an esp32 or similar
sbc are overpriced and underpowered
not to mention all the hassle that using a random chink arm shit gets you
thanks to raspberry pi i can get minipcs for cheap so that's nice at least

>>101562557
minipc
>10gbe nic (added in expansion)
>m.2 nvme memory
>64 gigs of WAM
>10 cores
chink sbc
>1gbe nic, if you're lucky
>small internal flash, usb 2.0 external drive
>4 gigs of soldered memory
>2 shit arm cores
in power consumption the chinkshit might come ahead but realistically for the same server workload you would need several of them
your server application also needs to be suitable for splitting on multiple hosts and that isn't the case for everything

>>101560678
You'll want to get a decent heatsink. If it's got a heavy load, it'll run very hot.
Also, the AI stuff's pretty constrained on it because RKNN library is still pretty dogshit (they didn't open-source their LlamaCPP clone).
Otherwise, decent unit I guess.
How many GBs of RAM did you get?

>>101562636
The sbc you describe is a lot cheaper than a cheap x86 mini pc. If you take a n100 minipc you should compare it to a rpi with m.2 expansion.

>>101562571
desu I like the rockchip line better for actual compute, but the GPU on rockchip even if performant is piss-poorly supported by the mesa folks and they just keep making new drivers and not supporting the previous hardware revisions in standard tranny fashion
even if a pi is less powerful, vc4 and v3d are much more competent and better maintained which means the pi runs more software

>>101562701
a raspberry pi is $150 now on its own because you have to buy it from scalpers

>>101562491
Armbian now works well on it though

>>101563000
checked
i don't have to worry about software support on x86
homelabs are often very heterogenous and only trannies have time to fuck with dtbs and compile kernels for every type of machine they own
thanks to proper bios, on x86 i can just use the generic debian install on everything and spend my time on more interesting things
there are also other benefits such as support for other useful things virtualization, amt, wake on lan, vlans etc.

>>101562557
>A n100 uses like 15w in practice
Raspberry too once you connect all the accessories to it

>>101563240
this
if you look it up people are complaining about the latest rpi idles around 5W doing nothing which is as much as a Windows laptop with its screen turned off. that's sad.

wtf is a minipc, I tried googling the term and everything that came back is over $1000. If I'm going to spend $1000 I'll buy a normal ass computer

>>101564041
well i googled it and a bunch of $160 stuff came up.
so lern2google i guess

>>101562557
*an n100

>>101560687
>run a 4chan bot farm
how would one go about this? asking for myself

>>101560678
This fucker has three camera ports...
But I can't find a fucking camera that is even compatible with it.
What fucking interface is that?

Are there are ARM SBCs with 8 "big" cores, like 8x A76 or something? The "LITTLE" cores always seem like dogshit by comparison.

>>101560678
How much CPU% does it take to run the 2x 2.5GbEs on this at full speed?

>>101564305
>three camera ports
huh?

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far more utility for literal pocket change

>>101560678
Why the fuck do these have onboard microphones?

>>101564453
because you touch yourself at night

A7 DA 47 1C

>>101564597
>at night
During the day too.

>A7 DA 47 1C
?

>>101560678
pi 4s are selling for 35 bucks now, you done goofed

>>101565695
>4GB vs 16/32
>much faster CPU
Yeah, sure.

>>101560678
>Orange pi
>$150
isn't the whole point of buying a SBC to save money?

>>101565717
if you want 32 gigs of ram buy an old laptop and upgrade the ram. It comes with a screen and keyboard too.

>>101564293
first you buy an acre of botland, get yourself a sack of botseeds and plant them in the botsoil

>>101565760
it also consumes 5+ times the power

>>101565728
I bought an Orange Pi PC some year ago for $15 and that's its right price. It's OK for light torrenting with Armbian.

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This rpi clone but with a N100 instead just came out and is just $60 for base specs.
Should be much less of a headache to deal with than rockchip, though it eats way more power.

I'm thinking this + the right accessories and enclosure could make for a nice SFF NAS, though I don't think "the right enclosure" exists.

>>101566693
>one ethernet
I'll wait for one with at least two, thanks.

>>101566731
There's probably one already I only posted this because it's relatively cheap and kinda small

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Not an SBC but there's also a RK3588 ITX mobo. The 4 SATA ports implies it's meant for the NAS/server market but other than low power consumption it doesn't really offer anything over other ITX setups.
https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/07/25/building-a-workstation-with-radxa-rock-5-itx-arm-or-milk-v-jupiter-risc-v-mini-itx-motherboard/

>>101566847
>full mobo
>still soldered ram
why?

>>101566903
lpddr

>car chips are resistant to heat and some radiations
sounds cool

>>101566160
whats the usecase of a meme arm board with 32 gigs of ram? That isnt done better by 4 pis or a used laptop?

>>101565695
>A72
>cucked out of ISA extensions
>A72
lol
lmao

>>101563022
Rpi5 is 90 euro's for the 8gb version and available at a official reseller. It also has higher specs than what he said and with accesoires had nvme. Also the specs of his minipc makes it at least twice the price.

>>101563240
Oh I misremembered 5w idle 15w load is for the rpi5. 11w idle 30w load is for the n100.

>>101564417
a rpi can literally fit in your pocket including a battery to power it.
its like if someone wanted to build a low-profile mini-itx and you coMe along saying to just build an XL-ATX with 3x GPUs in SLI cuz hurr durr more utility

>>101564453
why the fuck would they not? theyre designed to be small/compact systems, and an onboard mic facilitates that

>>101564635
>2020+4
>doesnt understand � � G
sad

>>101565717
>a $35 battery powered pocket computer needs 32gb ram
holy bloat lover

>>101566847
>a RK
ESL?

>>101566903
>he cant replace BGA RAM
sad

>>101568829
>small/compact systems, and an onboard mic facilitates that
Exactly how does an onboard mic facilitate anything but spying?

>>101566903
Its a fucking rockchip 3588. The ram will not be the bottleneck.

>>101568802
you might want a phone then

>>101565760
>>101567136
>>101568902
>>101569430
>he doesn't understand why having loads of cache space is important on a system with slow I/O
ngmi

I got an Odroid XU4 right before they ran out.
I saw some SBC reviews saying it was one of the better options for a media center box. After much fucking around with it, I found the more recent Linux kernels it offered completely and totally lacked any form of hardware decoding of video, dumping it all on the CPU. Even the earlier kernels that had hardware decoding had issues trying to play specific codecs and formats. The android offering isn't much better, and lags on 720p video through Kodi.
I've repurposed it into a programming box, since all I need is an internet browser and a text editor. For that, it gets the job done, but the Chromium browser that performs best on the hardware has major issues with video like webm's and youtube. Firefox is outright not recommended. Software is limited to armhf branch, which has been all but abandoned by developers in favor of newer ARM architectures. Driver development is entirely dead, and not only is no one working on new images for the SBC, but the older images that were very popular are no longer available and the last versions you can download are broken. And the people who made those images have vanished.
For the $50 I paid for it, it's alright. But in the future, if I want a media center box, I'll just buy a used miniPC with at least 16GB of RAM. Ebay is always full of them from businesses and colleges constantly churning through them, and demand is always low since they aren't great gaming machines.
Posting this from the XU4.

>>101566847
I've got both an OPi5 and the CM3588 NAS kit (4x NVMe).
My complaint with the RK3588 (so far) is just that the NPU isn't easily leveragable.
My complaint with the OPi5 is that I don't know what fucking camera fits the camera ports.
My complaint with the CM3588 NAS kit is that my case hasn't arrived yet (FriendlyElec didn't sell one). Otherwise, as a small low-power (I'm a solar fag) NAS, it seems to be working well.

>>101570269
>I found the more recent Linux kernels it offered completely and totally lacked any form of hardware decoding of video,
>>101571311
>My complaint with the RK3588 (so far) is just that the NPU isn't easily leveragable.
Ah, the the non-rpi SBC experience.

>>101564305
>>101571311
They have a camera adapter board on their website tho...?

>>101570258
>He doesnt understand you buy faster hardware if you need more performance
You might actually be retarded

>>101562557
>n100 uses like 15w in practice
Not really. Thats for higher end n100s. Low end n100s are locked to 7w or so. They shit on RP5 all over.

>>101572437
>They have a camera adapter board on their website tho...?
I don't think you can just buy the adapter board and have to use that camera that comes with it?
I haven't worked with cameras before - can I attach a custom wide-angle (e.g. 200 degree) lense to it easily or am I in for hell?
Wanting to create a self-driving mower.
>>>/diy/2828771

>>101560687
shalom

bump

>>101573182
The priority here is a low power device, not raw performance. Lots of RAM improves performance while retaining the low power consumption. You are an idiot.

>>101570269
>dev machine
how do you handle documentation? Unless there's manpages, I find it way too slow to quickly look stuff up on shitboxes

>>101577379
Develop on desktop/laptop, crosscompile and deploy to SBC over SSH, remote debug with GDB.
You could also set up a custom build configuration in your IDE of choice to automatically sync sources and build remotely so you don't have to crosscompile, pair it with remote debugging and it's like regular local programming.

>>101560678
Time for a Hailo-10 NVMe and some porn generatin’

>>101562529
It’s not out yet and it’s still in preorder.
So nobody knows.
I don’t see a heat sink for it yet, but it runs Win11 and has a built in BT/wifi module so you don’t have to waste your NVMe slot

>>101571311
>CM3588 NAS kit
I wish they made this but it's a 3.5" backplane instead. Would make for a nice SFF NAS.

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Hello frens

I bought a CM3588 NAS kit and soldered spi nor flash onto it. I want to install edk2 to the spi flash and linux on the internal emmc. My problem is that i have no idea what i am actually doing. I wrote the edk2 with

rkdeveloptool wl 0 edk2.img

, booted into edk2 and loaded linux from an sdcard. When i then tried to partition the emmc it seemingly overwrote the edk2 (it wouldn't boot afterwards until i flashed edk2 again and uart said something about invalid partitions). I've read there should be a mtdblock dev when booted into linux, which i dont see. Also i am using the rockchip kernel, not the friendlyarm one since i can't figure out how to compile it. I could imagine the spi flash is showing as the first 16M of the emmc block dev or something. Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated

>>101573227
>I don't think you can just buy the adapter board and have to use that camera that comes with it?
>I haven't worked with cameras before - can I attach a custom wide-angle (e.g. 200 degree) lense to it easily or am I in for hell?
I'll be frank, you are underestimating the complexity and yes, in for hell.
1. Cameras: These CSI-MIPI cameras are not Plug-n-Play like you can expect from USB devices. They need special sensor specific drivers in the kernel. Basically use the cameras they provide official support for or develop your own drivers. Even popular stuff like the Raspberry Pi HQ camera has very limited support on popular machine vision platforms like the Jetson Nano.

2. DIY mower. I'll ask you what I have started to ask myself. Do you really think you can out engineer, out program, out build, essentially outperform dedicated teams working full time on this issue? Not even commercial tractors are using MV+NNs yet. No offense, but even thinking about using an ESP32 for this kinda shows you are out of your depth. At minimum the device that will run the mower should also be used to capture any training data.

I'd wager a 'dumb' approach using GNSS+super basic MV obstacle avoidance(basically stopping for anything that's not grass) is the most feasible like they recommend in the DIY thread.

>>101561454
>Even as a server a minipc has usurped it.

Had a minipc as a home server and replaced it with an orange pi 5. The orange pi is slightly slower, but the difference isn't that great.

Replaced it because I really hated the constant fan noise of the minipc. The noise is one of the most important and most overlooked aspects of home servers in my opinion. The orange pi does not really need a fan and is almost as fast as a minipc in the same price range, which makes it the better home server overall

Odroid-H4U. No need to fuck around with ARM, it's way faster in every aspect.

>>101562636
Maybe you should first take a look at the sbc OP is talking about before replying? According to your list, OP just bought something very close to a minpc but with GPIO, MIPI etc.

>>101566847
Id be fine with how shitty rockchips are if they didnt cost so damn much
>here buy this complete old piece of shit, $100 + tip

>>101581256
There's no hobby arm soc more powerful than the 3588 now

>>101568400
Who fucking cares? 15w difference at load is nothing when it's always plugged in, n100 does 1-100 pi does 1-30.

>>101580956
Try one of the thin Noctua 40mm fans on the OPi (or the thick ones if you can fit them), they are practically silent even at 4000RPM and still push more than enough air. Get the best of both worlds. Worth the money IMO.

>>101581180
Odroid-H4U is a lot more expensive (150€ vs 350€). Not sure why you are scared of ARM tho, there really aren't many packages left that you can't just install with apt or some other package manager of your choice on ARM

>>101581256
>old
A76 is not that old. The A55s they're paired with are dogshit though.

>>101581354
theyve been selling the same basic chip for like 10 years now, I had one in the headunit in my car i bought in 2015.
>noooo this one is updated its le new
ok but it still performs like garbage and has the same core count
>>101581287
Im aware. The entire segment is fucked beyond repair and no one is innovating at all

>>101581354
It's basically an upper midrange chip when it was released. Also worth noting that the A76 is a significant jump from the A72

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>>101581401
>ok but it still performs like garbage
The RK3588 roughly matches an N100 on encryption and floating point. Beats the shit out of older Celerons, but gets trounced by the N100 on integer and basic usage, I/O is also more limited. But it is cheaper and consumes half the power, so there's an argument there.

>and has the same core count
RK3588 is 4+4, N100 has 4, RPi 5 has 4. You're looking at a whole other price category if you want 8 or more big cores in one SoC. Just like if you want more than 6 or 8 cores on a desktop.

I wouldn't recommend it, but you could always go full retard with stuff like pic related.

>>101582398
Its been 4+4 for 10 years now, thats my point. 0 progress.

N100 isnt powerful enough for anything beyond basic web browsing. Its the same performance as basic sandy bridge chips from 15 years ago

>>101582529
>Its been 4+4 for 10 years now, thats my point.
Mainstream i5/R5 desktop CPUs are still 6 cores. AMD and Intel have been selling 6-core shit as long as Intel did 4 cores. *Nobody* is progressing at the low end. If you're willing to pay, then just like x86 you can get ARM servers with stupid amounts of cores.

And top tier performance is not the point of these machines. The point is reasonable performance at very low power consumption, which your precious Sandy Bridge gets absolutely WRECKED on.

>>101582529
No the rk3588 is one of the few hobbyist socs with 4 big cores.
Before that you'd get 2 at best (rk3399). Most chips are just 4 or 8 little cores even today.

If you want a desktop buy a desktop

>>101582644
>>101582698
this is why no one bothers making better CPUs. These retards lap up 10 year old designs with shit performance and then beg to pay more

>>101582741
i didn't buy shit kek i use an old laptop
cope and buy a desktop

>>101562386
Rk3588
>>101562670
I got geekworm combo kit for $20 with case fan antennas and charger and a gpio extension $5
>>101563000
One of the things i'm planning on doing is contributing to integration of egpu on the USB c port, as I already have a 1660s setup that I haven't tinkered around with yet
>>101563140
Armbian bookworm is my go to as I already have a rock64 that I run jellyfin immich and WebDAV on, opi 5 plus will be a great upgrade and also expanding functionality of my home lab to include iot with supervised home assistant, next step will be building a hologram machine and finally have Ana de Armas greet me whenever I come home desu
>>101563718
I could run the SBC on a 5v 4amp source comfortably which means my 100wh power bank can keep it alive for a while in case of power lose my modem/router are plugged to a ups already and they stay up for a while day when the power goes out
>>101572437
Yes one of the first things I will work on is trying to get that npu working specially for realtime upscaling as it will save so much space on my NAS due to the massive 10 tb video library