>AMD 9000 Series offer no performance upliftIntelchads, we're still in the game!
>>1015616247800x3D owners WON
Thank God.I am waiting for the 9800X3D and didn't to blow my load early on one of these
>>101561624I'm looking forward to guides on how to disable microcode updates coming mid-August
>>101561624i don't know why people are surprised. the 5800x3d was the same when 7000 series launched. it took the x3d parts to finally be faster. the same will be, ironically, the same, with 9000 series.x3d is both a blessing and a curse to amd. if they want the next generation to be faster, they really have to uplift ipc. if not, it will always be a game of "wait till the new 3d parts hit."
>>101561624you are too dumb to understand that this is a significant architectural uplifthopefully this is due to faster RAM/IF speeds
>>1015616875800X3D owners won by being able to skip AM5 entirely. Buying the first generation of chips on a new platform is as cucked as you can get.
>>101561864That reviewer said IF can clock at 2400mhz now up from 2000mhz on zen4. That implies a 2:3 sweetspot of 7200mt/s
>>101561897that's pretty fucking good, bigger uplift than zen 3 to zen 4let's hope the memory controller can run 7200 in gear 1 as well
>>101561624It's a performance uplift it you look at it from a way where you're getting X3D performance and 4 extra cores for other workloadsWorth upgrading to if you're already on X3D? probably not. 9800X3D is going to be an absolute monster though
>>101561908>7200mtps ram>3600mhz mclk>2400mhz fclk7200mtps is probably in gear 1 since the IF has been the bottleneck
>>101561961>3600mhz mclkryzen 7000 tops out at ~3200 MCLK, so i'll believe it when i see it, but that would indeed be a nice upgraderyzen 3000 had gains like that but AMD really came from nothing, zen 1 was a proof of concept
>>101561961>>101561996nvm, i meant UCLK, that's the speed the memory controller runs atgear 1 would run at 3600 UCLK and gear 2 would run at 1800 UCLK
>>101561996>ryzen 7000 tops out at ~3200 MCLKNo it doesn't. You just lose "gear 1" when you go over itheres zen 4 ddr5 7800
>>101562118>Memory Frequency 3900>Zen FCLK/UCLK 2133/1950so right, it's in gear 2that's what gear 2 means, the memory controller runs at half speed, it's a significant latency penalty
>>101562129Yes and zen 5 does 7200 in gear 1 if the IF is 2400
>>101561624>AMD 9000 Series offer no performance upliftIt's literally one generation holy fuck how retarded are you
>>101562144the fabric clock is not connected to the memory controller clock in any wayeven then, 7200 in gear 2 with 2:3 fabric could still have better latency than zen 4intel always runs in gear 2 and they still manage to get decent memory latency
>>101561624CPUs already peaked, it's all downhill from herequote me later
>>101561864no, zen 4 without cache was as fast as zen 3 with cachezen 5 is 10% slower (much more slower for 1% FPS) in the same case>>101562176stagnation started after Skylake was launched over 9 years ago
>>101562146cope
>Comparing to X3DSaaars.
>>101561890I was already on 5600x. Not gonna pay $330 for 5800x3d 8 months ago when the 7800x3d was $300. Thanks to zen 1 or 2 poorfags keeping the price of 5800x3d inflated, I just jumped to 7800x3d and am5 early. Now I'll wait for 10800x3d.
>>101562118>mclk 3900mhz (half of 7800mt/s)>uclk 1950mhzThat's gear2Gear1 is when mclk and uclk are running at the same speed
>>101562162intels imc is made out of crack cocaine and demonic magic it's not compatable
>>101561624>Intelchads*krashes*
>>101561739The overwhelming share of the market does not benefit from larger l3 caches. X3d sku’s are super niche and they allow AMD to charge a premium for a lower end part. That Intel hasn’t followed suit yet just reinforces how f’d up that company has become.AMDrones were constantly championing all things AMD because they drastically undercut the competition’s pricing. When will you faggots turn on AMD now that they’re the market maker?
>>101562768AMD hasn't been drastically undercutting intel/nvidia for a decade at least
>>101562768i member when zen3 was priced to squeeze the marketwith intel in the dumpster, zen5 is looking to be that way again
>>101562768>When will you faggots turn on AMD now that they’re the market makerthey've never been market maker in the last two decades. intel didn't let it happen and paid peanuts as a mea culpa for unethical practices for over a decade of abuse. you think they haven't continued the practice now? they will likely be fine regardless.
>>101562849arrow lake isn't that bad, but it's not great either to we will have same situation as with gpus: both will have similar price and performance and no real competition
>>101561624>Intelchads, we're still in the game!you haven't installed the speedhole degradation cope yet, coming in august. lol
>>101562294>stagnation started after Skylake was launchedwere you dropped on your head?
>>101562953they milked skylake until alder lake launchedstagnation started after sandy bridge
>>101562953prove me wrong>>101562958at least between sandy bridge and skylake you got 10%+ annual performance increase and way better perf/W
>>101561624At least they're not rusted
>>101562317>copeNice projection there faggot you should open a cinema
>>101561624now show me the productivity benchmarks
>>101561890Based AM4 Chad
>>101561624do niggers really spend thousands of dollars to get 5% more frame rates to play goyslop games?which gaymes are you goys playing? niggers creed? goy wars?
https://www.anandtech.com/show/21489/amd-delays-ryzen-9000-launch-1-to-2-weeks-due-to-chip-quality-issuesDuring final checks, we found the initial production units that were shipped to our channel partners did not meet our full quality expectations.AYYMDEAD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT.
>>101563657>amd up-binning skus before release for freethanks lisa su
>>101563657>CPUs were meant to be the one part of a computer that never failed>Now they're the most likelykwab
>>101561624Isn't this game really GPU bound?
>>101561739>i don't know why people are surprised. the 5800x3d was the same when 7000 series launched.People have the attention span of a goldfish.
It's the same in gaymes but faster in most other applications, I assume.>>101563657>delay release until after peformance raping "fix" intel is gonna release
>>101561624Is that earthworm jim
>>101561624Oh no, OP was too busy sucking cock yesterday to see picrel
>>101564058Yeah, it is. I wouldn't really expect the basic bitch Zen 5 CPUs to beat the 3D cache Zen 4s in games though.
>>101564320if it's a gpu bound there wouldn't be differences between CPUs
>>101564078>>101561739not it wasn't the same, 6 zen4 cores without cache was slightly faster than 8 zen3 cores with cache
>>101564271what are we looking at?
>>101561890would i be fuckign retarded upgrading from a 3700x to a 5800xd
Good morning sirs, redeem the cope
>>101561687>>101561890>le'X3D>50% of games benefit>otherwise it's a worse X800 partLmao
>>101565575Yes
>>101561624>non x gets even with previous gen X>NO PERFOMANCE UPLIFT
>>101565761ty
Cool and if it really can do 7200 on good ratios I'll replace this 5800 with a 98003d
>>101561624it is obviously being bottlenecked by the gpu
>>101561890for me it's 5900X
>>101565510Arrow lake s 1% single thread perf improvement over 14900k. 2 benchmarks it regresses. Search for arrow lake performance leak from yesterday. Looking grim
>>101561624Being concerned with CPU gayming performance is the dumbest thing in the last 5 years.I understand the GPU market is boring but fuck
>>101565575If your primary use case is gayming then it's the best upgrade you could make. Otherwise it's not worth it.
>>101561624>13th gen getting recalled for being defective>14th gen about to be recalled for being defective>game server hosts switching to AMD in mass>intel stock taking a hit>Intelchads, we're still in the game!top tier copeintel shills on suicide watchnow on other news i dont know where you saw that benchmark but its invalid and will need to be updated AMD has recalled the shipped ryzen 9000 for not meeting the desired performance and delayed its launch date to augustbig tech just keeps taking Ls up the assthis is what they get for hiring pajeets
>>101561691This has been my plan for upgrades ever since 7800x3d released and was not enough uplift from 5800x3d to justify changing ram and mobo in the same time. Based 5800x3d slotted right into my b450 system that started life with 1600x
>>101565575>>101565761>>101567284Upgrading a 3000 series to 5000 is a no brainer. The other anon pointed out that unless you really need the x3d and get it at the right price it might not be worth it. Note that there is the 5700x3d not only the 5800x3d. The other thing to consider is if you want a more of a budget all rounder the 5700 5800 5900 is quite the steal used and even new. I upgraded to a x3d solely for X4 foundations a heavy sim game and it doubled my fps. Most do not benefit as greatly. A standard 5800x or the like is much more cost effective used in my region and much cheaper.
>>1015655751080p gaming, great upgrade (if you have enough GPU).1440p gaming, depends on the games you play - overall, it's an ok-ish upgrade (if enough GPU).4k gaming, pointless except maybe for certain simulators/MMOs/etc that benefit from 3d-vache the most - or that are still CPU-bound at 4k.For other latency-critical stuff (e.g., audio work), I think having a monolithic CPU should help all by itself, with x3d helping more, but I'm not an expert on those kinds of programs.For those compression/AI/etc. workloads that benefit from x3d, it depends on the workload.For most other use cases, pointless.That said, I've also seen people using lighter Linux DEs report having a snappier desktop experience due to their entire gooey fitting into those 96MB of L3.
>>101561624>no performance uplifton games lolMeanwhile all the other tasks are faster.
>>101566987>5900XBased. Faster than the 5800X3D on pretty much anything other than games.
