working actually sucks and it's gay.
how long do i have to do this shit for?
i wanna do drugs and ride dirt bikes.

>>101843147
Close enough.
The first thing you should do is find out who your masters are. Whose job is it for you to solve problems for, who decides what work you get to do, who's going to sing your praises for promotions, etc. EVERYONE ELSE you can be courteous to, but it is not plainly your job to make them happy. Unless the person who's frustrating you is your manager or TL then they can probably fuck off. There's no need to feel pressured by anyone who isn't one of your masters. It can be worthwhile to do unnecessary things to make allies or earn favors but there's no way you have bandwidth for that right after starting a new job.
As far as the PM goes, figure out what your recorded obligations are (X will deliver Y this week, Z this quarter, etc.) and then otherwise ignore that individual. PMs are widely despised because they're generally just paper-pushers. They can't do dev work and they can't do sales work. There are some good ones wh ocan act as glue but across your career it's completely likely you never encounter a single situation where you go "I wish we had a PM to help us!"

>>101843290
Thanks. This is some good advice. I can't say I'm particularly happy that this is the solution but I guess I have to deal with it. My "master" has been a little wish washy. I keep getting positive praise from him but I haven't exactly "done" anything and it's making me quite uncomfortable. I'm not too sure if he wants me to take more of a lead on some projects or not but at the same time I'm afraid to ask him because that's just more work for me and it also makes me look a little incompetent. I should just take more of an initiative but god damn it I always keep shooting myself in the foot whenever that happens.

>>101843263
early retirement isn't real
you're here forever

>>101843324
Just chill out for a year. Do your shit and shut down your work brain after 5

>>101843370
my biggest problem is that I have a lot of grind work to do (bunch of documentations to rewrite) but I'm burnt out from my workday and whenever I tell myself I do it in the weekend the weekend passes. The day to day isn't so bad but I'm constantly not chasing anything in case something comes to my table that I have to spend the entire day on.

i love calling people NEETs in arguments even though i've seen college educated coworkers say dunning kruger brain damage that puts /g/ to shame

>>101843390
man sorry I'm asking too much. I think I just have a strong imposter syndrome but I do feel quite confused on the positive feedback when I'm constantly tripping over myself. It's making me feel like the kid who pets his dog and takes him on long walks and spends the entire day with him because I'm about to get put to sleep. (fired)

How does one differentiate between mental fatigue and spiritual fatigue? Asking for a friend.

>>101843424
Mental fatigue is when you keep doing shits that are unfun and draining for long periods of time and you spend no time to do the things that would make you feel excited in positive way, like hanging out to do rock climbing

Spiritual fatigue is when you stop praying to God, doing good, and commits hedonism 24/7, shitting on others, and then complain why did God gave you a shitty life

>>101843418
some of the dumbest people i know haven't been unemployed a day since graduating college. but then also know a lot of "slackers" who seem weirdly smug about accomplishing nothing. they'll proudly talk about how they're actually really intelligent but just lack motivation, but of course they've never been in any situation to actually use that alleged intelligence for anything except maybe pub trivia

>>101843390
>bunch of documentations to rewrite
So it's piss easy at least no? You don't have to pull your hair out just to get 1 thing done? There are tasks that are repetitives and there are task that needs deep thinking, I'll be happy to do the former all day in my career.

>>101843477
it's just mind numbingly boring. it's not even really easy because I still need it proofread and then I have to make it retard proof which means taking a shit ton of screenshots but also making it readable..ugh....

>>101843465
But you understand how your definition of spiritual fatigue sounds cyclical (you stopped doing God-positive thing and doing God-positive but instead did God-negative thing and general-negative thing."

And your definition of mental fatigue is also based on pretty strong generics like "unfun, draining" and "excited positive", right?

What if I do not know God and what if I do not understand fun and excitement?

>>101843468
>but of course they've never been in any situation to actually use that alleged intelligence for anything except maybe pub trivia
i believe them. choosing to be useless is far more embarrassing than being dumb

>>101843324
Try to take it easy, anon. You sound stressed and you're probably catastrophizing since it's Sunday night. (I actually love my work and even I hate Sunday nights.) You're saying that you're uncomfortable with the current situation but that from experience you're also anxious about asking for more work.
I think the best thing you can do is just communicate with your boss regularly (like once a week or twice a week or w/e your 1:1 cadence is). Not all bosses are super proactive people. They might NEVER push you to do more than you're currently doing. If your boss is telling you it's all good and you're still concerned about getting fired then it seems like some kind of peace of mind you need to chase outside of work.

>>101843127
st. john's wort or some supplement which includes it (no prescription antidepressant)
don't believe the jewish ssri prescriber lies how it's very dangerous

>>101843525
Your job sounds more like QA than dev

I posted this in the old thread by accident so I'm going to post it again. Ahem:

I started learning programming a few months ago. Why is this? My girlfriend moved to another country for her dream university. I want to move with her but it will be very expensive. So I can land a well paying tech job in probably another month yeah? Because this coding shit doesn't seem so hard.

Unsubscribed

>>101843877
The days of making 2 react apps and getting hired for a six figure job after just passing an interview where you were just asked to do two sum and valid palindrome are over.

>>101844103
Okay so what DO you have to do?

>>101844118
dunno, just do what fun things until someone takes a chance on you or go to college and grind leetcode until you want to kill yourself.

alternatively get another gf.

Just got an engineering job at OpenAI last month, it's been great so far! I didn't think I'd pass the interviews but surprise surprise, I did.

>>101844321
I see.
I am in college, but for a humanities degree haha xd, and sadly and deeply in love. I suppose I will burn all my savings to go be with her and hope I get a job while continuing to learn and apply.

Do you have recommendations on what I'll need to learn beyond Python, HTML, CSS, Flask, React? I really just need to learn React from those, but I'm not sure where to go from there, what employers want.

>>101844367
you are not real
how did you find this thread.

How long on average does HR usually take to reach out to you about the final interview? Assuming they don't ghost you

>>101844381
I am a real boy ...
I have always seen this thread in the catalogue, and now it is relevant to me so I enter it. I must get answers now in order to be with my love.

>>101844367
>I am in college, but for a humanities degree
Why not just switch to Computer science or something similar?

>>101844426
It would be a shame to spend four years and a lot of money on a degree in computer science instead of something I have a genuine passion for like history.

Why do people keep jumping into tech despite it being saturated as fuck.

>>101844489
Well I'm thinking, I only need one job yeah? It's like dating, there's lots of competition, but you only need one girl who likes you and bam you're golden.

>>101844502
you are unironically better off learning a trade instead of trying to be a swe with no passion for tech or a passionate history student.

>>101844518
A trade can't be done remotely, and you can't get a work visa for a trade unfortunately. Otherwise I'd do whatever else I think could make me money

Can I do the bare minimum in tech? I'm thinking of switching careers.

>>101844553
>>101844531
we are full sorry.

>>101844571
I'm built different though so I'm pretty sure I can do it, I won't be gatekept

>>101844581
Good luck. The ones holding the key are retarded recruiters, coordinators, hiring managers, etc.

>>101844635
I'll charm recruiters if that's what it takes.
I'm half being silly because I know being a tourist would make some people fume, but if you have a bit of time are you able to answer my question here? >>101844367
It was a genuine one

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>Sunday evening

Funs over, bros

>>101844502
>>101844581
this is lottery player/gambler mentality. Pumping yoruself up with stupid catchphrases like the zoomers do won't change reality. You will not make it. It is mathematically impossible for all of us to make it because we are
FUCKING
F U L L
finding a woman who likes you isn't actually that hard if you're not disgusting or extremely picky. They're literally hardwired to be aroused by men and penises, and they're not going to date some smelly indian because he's cheaper. Dating is all about proximity.
Tech is becoming a showbiz tier ultra competitive pipe dream. The supply is steadily outpacing demand and it's only going to get worse. Get it through your thick fucking heads, tech is over as a serious career in most of the western world. There is absolutely 0 reason to hire westerner devs nowadays.

>>101844581
You are more likely to make a hit indie game and become a millionaire than getting a job in the industry.

>>101844645
What you need to learn depends on the roles you're going for. I've been in the industry for over a decade and I've never touched any of what you listed other than Python. If your goal is to get a job at all then look at what most roles are asking for and learn that.
The other anons are right that getting a job right now is very difficult (regardless of your skills or experience), but most people are also lazy retards and just do a bunch of online applications. You can beat out 99% of people just by being extremely proactive and taking unusual avenues. Start lying about your major and anything else you need to on your resume. If you're in school then go to the career fairs. If you know anyone who can refer you to a role, make use of that. All most people do is spam applications on LinkedIn, Indeed, and whatever the fuck - do anything you can offline to differentiate yourself.

>>101844848
> Start lying about your major and anything else you need to on your resume
not sure if twg is being malicious or just retarded when you guys say this. No, you can't lie about your fucking major lol. You can embellish your actual experience but not even years worked. This shit gets verified in the laziest of background checks

I have done like 5 python books, cs50, neetcode 150 and I still do not understand it. somehow I have an automation engineer job at a small company though. how do I truly learn bros...?

>>101844949
Truly learn what? Python?

>>101843877
kys

>>101843235
how much leetcode is actually enough to get a job (for junior). if I do the neetcode 150 and am fluent at python is that enough?

>>101843342
hey man, dont be so pessimistic. be more like

>youre here forever!

>>101844426
>>101844442
both are meme degrees and you'll end up flipping burgers at McDonalds anyway
idk if you've heard but CS is outsourced now and history is effectively dead as a career unless your parents are literal royalty. Talk to your college's career counselor maybe there's something you actually like that pays

Nobody is ever actually get hired from jobfairs, right?

>>101843877
>Because this coding shit doesn't seem so hard.
the basic concepts aren't hard. where it gets hard is
>building something that does more than just printing to std out/a txt file
>building a complex system that talks to other complex systems that are poorly documented, if at all
>building a complex system that is maintainable so you aren't totally fucked when requirements change
>knowing how to do things performantly so it doesn't take forever under production load
>being able to do this all of this shit quickly so that when your week is wasted with hours of mandatory meetings, you can still meet the arbitrary deadlines set by management
not to mention all of the shit besides coding you have to do like automated testing, code reviews, requirements gathering, etc etc

whatever country you're wanting to move to probably isn't going to have a ton of jobs for foreigners who just learned how to code (unless your gf's dream university is in indonesia or something) and they certainly wont be high paying

>>101844367
>Do you have recommendations on what I'll need to learn beyond
well for one, read the fucking OP. but would be good to learn git, a database (postgresql), and enough bash to be comfortable in a terminal. you listed react so i assume this goes without saying, but javascript is a must for webdev. not a hard requirement but a lot of places use docker so would be good to have a basic understanding of how that works too

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tech worker. the presently dying grift for aspburger jews. i recommend it but the door is closing quickly.

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>>101845208
nope.

>>101843235

If you're legitimately having trouble getting hired, you should try temping in a few places in any role.

Once it becomes apparent that you can resolve tech issues for your moron co-workers, you become THE GUY.

Someone gets locked out of their account, YOU'RE DA GUY.

Someone can't setup a POP account in Outlook, YOU'RE DA GUY.

You end up speaking to someone in IT and get your foot in the door that way.

I know it works because I've done it lol.

>>101843263
dude, im unemployed and its boring as balls. nothing matches the comraderie and mental challenge of work. doing drugs and riding dirt bikes get boring quick

>>101845522
gayest dance movies Ive seen

>>101845718
>Someone can't setup a POP account in Outlook
bad news, grandpa

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>>101845723
true too bad everything fake and gay. when i hit 8 figure net worth my real life will begin and ill be a business man.

>>101845723
fake and gay

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will it get easier to get a coding job soon?

I may start learning sign language so that if I ever interact with a cute deaf girl she’ll really like me

>>101844367
your fine, you should be able to find a job within 2 weeks

Just ate 900g of beef rump steak. I'm currently in a food coma atm ama.

>>101846046
nobody is gonna learn all that shit along with making a decent portfolio project while also applying for a job in just 2 damn weeks.

>>101846085
nta, took me over a year to learn a bunch of web dev shit (html, css, js, nodejs, react, mongodb, webpack), make my own projects and score a job back in the late 2010s. you could defs do it faster but not in 2 weeks lol.

there's a SAP/ABAP paid bootcamp here in my country

anyone here know this company called Accenture? what's the life like there?

>>101844337
larp

>>101846446
>anyone here know this company called Accenture?
its a staffing firm

>>101845816
LA or SF?

>>101846446
it's shit, avoid

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>>101845816
in another years time, this will be every city in america

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>This was a tough decision on our part, but after connecting with the hiring team, we’ve decided to move forward with other candidates at this time.

>cooldown period
What kind of HR trickery bullshit is this? So me making it all the way to the last round, and then someone else being chosen because their CV had an edge on mine, means I cant apply anymore at your company for half a year because "reasons"?

>>101847662
Well how would they stay employed if the probably-fine candidates just stayed in line?

>>101847676
Well I dont care about going through the entire circus again, but not allowed me to apply anymore for x amount of months just makes no sense to me.

>>101846446
it's a curryshop with nothing but curry tier jobs
it's good to get experience as a graduate (or as your countrymen call it, """freshers""") but that's it

I'm a mid level dev that is pretty average at programming but has pretty good soft skills. What are my career options? Winding up in middle management sounds fucking dogshit.

>>101843342
>t. FIRElet

>>101845522
>posting bad coombait for no reason at all
kill yourself porn addict

>2 filters triggered by a single post

is electrical engineering still worth it?
I don't really want to go 40k in debt for a bs ee degree but I am not optimistic about software dev as a career anymore despite having a full time hybrid job
if I got laid off in 10 years and had a 6 month employment gap I'd seriously want to kill myself
probably just spiraling on Monday morning

during my 5th semester, i'm worried sick whether i'd get an internship or not. i already made plan B,C,D instead of just chilling and let God do the rest. My uni ended up placing me anyway in this national bank

this year, I'm worried sick thinking I'd fail doing my bachelor thesis (final project) because my assigned advisor is so hard to reach, and I haven't code my program with 30 days left before the deadline. I ended up getting through it anyway, the defense goes smoothly and I didn't get asked that much about my diagrams and system design.

how do i break this mindset now that i'm grinding neetcode, re-learning stuff, and starting jobhunting? i want to stick through my plan A and let myself take rest instead of trying to do everything, fall into panic mode, and beating myself up.

Working makes me want to off myself.

Maybe you kids should do more than the bare minimum if you want a job so badly.
>i have a degree
That's the bare minimum.

i have a teammate who always speaks in 'we' terms: 'we should do this,' 'we should do that,' or even dares to throw orders sometimes like 'please implement this,' 'please implement that' but he doesn't actually do anything himself or only does the bare minimum to get things started. is this peak senior developer performance? is delegating just the perfect cover for slacking off?

>>101849038
yes

>>101849038
i do this

>>101849252
based senior team lead staff developer advocate supreme rockstar samurai

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ive worked at a consultant company for 2+ years now as a salesforce cloud developer.
Wtf do i do for my resume? just put that?
how comfortable are y'all lying on ur resumes? im considering making up a fake past position to buff my resume but idk

>>101849373
and what sort of salesforce cloud can you develop?

>>101849038
This is referred to as the "wife's we"(also the second person we). It's a "polite" replacement for you

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>>101849534
the client i work for now uses salesforce "service" cloud. my role is basically a mix of data integration using Java in the back end, and sometimes making/editing components in JS on the front-end, and then CI/CD to keep deploying the new changes every 3 weeks. I don't know about other salesforce clouds but I assume they're all very similar. Ideally though I want to get out of salesforce. I do know some Three.js and react but don't have any portfolio of "personal" projects. i practice leetcode here and there though

>>101849641
ok kitten, you're alright
you may proceed

>>101849654
so if that's my only job experience should I try to force fluff that out to be a full page or is it okay to have a blank space on the bottom of my resume because i only have had one job

I 22M have been working cybersecurity since the beginning of the pandemic, pretty much since leaving high school. It's put me thru university for my bachelors and was intending on doing it until I landed an internship during my masters next summer. I work at a condo's network 1 day a week, 12 hours (I live with parents and attend university and pick up shifts as a floater during breaks or when I need extra cash). I recently got an email that one of the senior cybers who's been doing part time due to personal family reasons is going back to full time and I will be removed from shift. I could stay on as a floater and they could find me a new site but honestly I'm a bit salty over this and have been thinking about stepping away from cybersecurity for a while. I really only liked it cause of the condo. I knew the residents, it was a chill site, free drinks and food too. i never really seriously applied to a job. I worked McDonalds in high school which I got through a friend and this job was literally just handed to me due to the pandemic. What other jobs can I do in tech? Should I just stay with the company? Go to another cybersecurity company?

>>101848803
I have autism.

>40/M, been in Network Engineering since 2010
>Took a job at a major company but don't do anything, literally nothing.
>Pay is shit too, I only took it to stay employed after being laid off from a big tech company.
>I interviewed and got a job at a major bank, pay is great and it's exactly what I've been studying for for the past two years.
Doing nothing really broke my spirit and motivation for self improvement. It really is a disease. I know I'm getting old for this field but I just can't do nothing quite yet. I'll leave that for my 50s or later.

I've seen my hard work for my Cisco certs slip away since Cisco has gone to shit. I moved to Linux, AWS, and Kubernetes certs.

>>101843855
it's sysadmin
>>101843600
yeah i don't really have much going on outside work and i need the money so im desperate to get out of the rut as soon as possible

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>>101844706
Don't worry, hit indie game is in the todo list as well.
>>101844848
>If you know anyone who can refer you to a role, make use of that
So I have a pretty big social media presence, I'm currently starting to warm up to accounts of programmers and start building that network up? Thank you for mentioning the stuff about proactivity. I do know that it is grim now, but when I say 'built different' I do mean that I'll put the work in and won't be lazy about finding a job.
>>101845360
DW I read the OP and will never share my salary with recruiters. Git and sql are both in the coming days of the course I'm doing now, it looks like we're ramping up.
>>101846085
Not two weeks, but I've got good savings so I can sit here and learn 8 hours a day

Thank you all for your wisdom. I won't post here a gain until I finish a project I'm proud of that has incorporated some advanced concepts.

>>101849583
>This is referred to as the "wife's we"(also the second person we). It's a "polite" replacement for you
kek, it's exactly that, it's so obvious i can't be the only one getting tilted. it's not like we have any junior people in the team. we all know what we need to do
>>101849144
>>101849252
i'm taking notes to be honest, i'm realizing the key is just to look engaged but never actually do any work. it's an art

>>101849038
Work delegation is important. Everything should not be done by one member.

>>101844706
>You are more likely to make a hit indie game
A decent visual novel with 1 hour of point and click gameplay with 3 endings makes $20k after a year. Definitely a decent hustle for third worlders and yuropeans

>>101843418
>>101843468
jej. my ex gf used to work as a teacher. she now works with academics building some tests for universities. most of the people she works with are childish and dumb as fuck, and all none of these dumbfucks have never worked a single day in their lives outside of academia.

I recently spent the last couple years learning programming and software engineering (everything from assembly to c++ to functional languages) and feel like I have enough knowledge to be able to do any kind of programming today. I used to be a webshitter front end dev like 8 years ago. Is any of that past experience valuable or would I be better off leaving it off my resume and presenting myself as someone with no job experience? I'm not interested in applying to anything related to webdev.

>>101843548
Useless to whom? Being useful to glomohomo is a net negative to your own long term interests. Was Hitler useless because he stopped participating in judeo-central-banking?

My new employer wants to roll all changes into "releases". I don't understand the benefit of this. They will frequently say things like "xyz is holding up the release!". What is the benefit to tying shit together like this when you could just deploy them separately? Seems retarded

>>101851505
Academics refuse to work outside of academia. Fuck, they also discriminate against anyone that isn't pure academia. Happened to a startup I applied to. Nothing but new grads from bachelors to PhDs in there and the only ones with any real industry experience were the C-suite guys but their experience is in business alone. The C-suite guys don't know that their PhDs have been bogging down their shit product and why they haven't been able to make any real sales in the last 5 years.

another miserable morning in tech workers general
where did life go so wrong for me?

Have you ever worked a developer job where it was on you to initiate endpoint scans in dev on deployed code? I've had stuff like SonarQube be part of the build process, but endpoint scanning has always been administered by a security admin who would assign us shit if he needed something fixed.

>>101851679
how much money do you make faggot

>>101848480
>is electrical engineering still worth it?
No.
$55k-70k starting salary is what you can expect. Almost no remote opportunities unless you are a PE with 20 years of experience. You'll probably be working in a dangerous manufacturing environment. Also, full of jeets.

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>>101848041
>I'm a mid level dev
God morning, saar

>>101851966
I am married to an Indian woman.

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>>101848480
>Unironically soliciting advice from /g/

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>tfw money supply doubles
>earning in real "real" terms the same as when I started 10 years ago
>mfw work half as hard

>>101849995
Ask them to find you a new site. It's fine to be salty but put your emotions aside and make the most rational decision that's best for yourself. Simultaneously pursue better jobs elsewhere. And never forgot how they tossed you aside like nothing.

I hate that I'm 25 and just starting while there's 22 year olds that are balling

>>101852251
The 22 year old will got over a bad break up and fell into drug addiction

Your turn. What's the play for next year?

>>101851575
What have you done for the last 8 years?

Why is every company exclusively scouting for people with 10+ years of experience? Where do they think they're going to find enough of these people?

>>101852307
India

>>101852283
Oh yeah, you're right, I'm in a healthy marriage with a partner who supports me. I got the edge on these young ones

>>101852251
I didn't get started until I was 33.
You may now proceed to feel superior to someone.

>>101852251
I am 37 and I haven't started. I'm buying a gun tomorrow.

how’s monday going so far sirs

>>101852296
Being a neet and learning programming.

>>101852555
I'm enjoying the last day of my three-day weekend. At the moment, it's video games and social media with milk and honey.

>>101852012
>I am married to an Indian woman.
Do you eat pussy? If you do, I'm going to call you a currymuncher ehehehehehehehehehe

>>101852662
Haha hehe

>>101844367
learn elixir/postgres/phoenix liveview and you'll know more about everything and be able to execute faster than every reactlet

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>dev from another team schedules a call with our entire team to "ask some questions"
>join call
>recording starts immediately
>"so this call is for you guys to give me a demo of how your project works so I can run it myself"
>he shares his screen and navigates to the project repo on GitHub
>"if I clone this repo, what do I do next?"
>completely ignores the README file with detailed instructions that's visible on his own screen
>our team lead spends the next few minutes reciting the README for this guy
I hate these stupid lazy bastards with every fibre of my being

if you're over age 45 you should not have a job anymore. nursing home is more appropriate.

>>101852755
How are people so confident and unashamed of their stupidity?

>>101849038
You probably have autism but it’s a formality in a work setting to use “we” to ask something to get done without directly saying “you get it done”.

It’s a way to signify that you’re part of a team regardless of who owns the task. I’m not saying it’s not annoying if you are in a situation of some brainless coworker telling you to do it yourself but the point stands.

Anons, do i need to be a coding autist to get into networking? how much programming does it need? i'm only good at simple python scripts.

>>101849373
I wouldn't make up a fake position unless there's a big gap you need to hide. If it's just a small gap you could just extend how far back your current position started

Do I need to add what grades I got in college on my C.V. and do I need to write a cover letter? Thats what piratesoftware said. I'm a former neet who went to college and just passed everything with a shit C.V, looking for my first job in IT but no luck so far. I just said what jobs I had and what I college and what degree I studied. Only skills I added is that I have good aural and communication skills. I didn't write anything about coding since I don't really ever code in my free time since I'm too lazy I don't want to lie that I'm good at coding incase they start asking me difficult questions in an interview. I'm from germany btw.

>>101853059
>piratesoftware
you mean maldavius figtree? just ask your famous rich dad for a job if you want to follow his advice

>>101852755
Let's be honest, your team never updates this readme and newcomers run into set of troubles over and over again. Noticing the opened file in the background should've hinted you he probably went over it but ended up with shittons of problems and got sick of fixing every single crap you didn't mentioned in there. He did a right thing calling you all out on this.

>>101852874
You can get by in networking without any coding ability whatsoever. As long as you can use a CLI and understand networking concepts you should be fine.

Anecdotal, but most network engineers I have worked with treat even simple python scripts as some kind of incomprehensible arcane magic.

>>101851602
It can be easier to track changes if they're bundled. Also sometimes you need certain things to all be together before something can be released to the public. If not very related or intertwined then yeah, it makes no sense to hold things up that are done and ready to go.

>>101849995
Always take a sure thing and then look for something better in your free time. Especially since it sounds liek you don't have any savings amassed for if your job search struggles.

>>101853059
You don't really get the opportunity to write a cover letter these days. If an HR lady messages you on LinkedIn or emails you then you can, otherwise they usually keep their email addresses locked up and only the web apply is available.

If you do happen to find an email address and it feels like the job is an alright match for you, then definitely go for it.
Just remember that most applications you won't be able to.

>>101852307
>We want someone who can hit the ground running!
No company wants to pay someone to learn how stuff works, despite the fact that even seniors will have to spend a while learning how all those internal systems work. Plus underpaying is in vogue right now and getting a desperate senior for junior's prices really makes the shareholders cream themselves.

>>101853132
Then the new guy should have started with
>I got stuck at step X listed in the README, what am I doing wrong?
Or he should have used git blame to see who edited the README and asked them what was going on.

>>101853288
Plus as a junior you know I'm gonna bail on them for better pay the moment I have enough experience to do so

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>my house 3 months after getting my A+ certification

>>101853425
>day-to-night
>pisswindows
>adobe sky
I don't miss RE

>>101853320
Then you'd get annoyed at him asking so many specific things.

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>>101853462
>certification and designation?
>A+

Screw common sense, I will take the slave pill and apply for skillstorm, I'll be a slave for two years but I'll least I'll have an above min wage job

>>101853577
Why not take the white pill and sign up to Stormfront?

>>101853615
I'm not white enough

>>101853624
You must be if you're signing up to Skillstorm instead.

>>101853624
None of the best white nationalists are.
You have to have a little brown in you to truly appreciate what it means to be white.

does dr john wort actually help?

>>101853425
>>101853528
>fell for the A+ and Net+ meme last year
>500 applications rejected/ghosted

is there any chance of getting a remote internship when i live in a poor third world shithole?

>>101853721
no

>>101853700
only sec+ matters

>>101853729
>just one more cert!
next you will tell me to get CCNP

>>101848663
hey retard i never even bothered interning. doesnt fucking matter and no one cares after your first job and your first job doesnt care much either

>>101853764
hey nigger, nta here. i too skipped internships and went straight to junior dev. can confirm, no one gives a fuck after your 1st job.

>>101853764
>Get internship
>Do well
>Get return offer
>Skip the 3-8 months of unemployment after graduating

>>101853798
>not getting a full time job from first year
it's like you faggots are useless nocoders or something

>>101853764
My girlfriend was raised in high class society and shit and she says because I have so many gaps on my resumes and haven't done an internship I'm fucked

can someone post the meme of the guy standing by the stove going "I got the degree, I got the job, feeling empty"
thanks

how can you feel empty making 250k for changing colors and centering divs in css

>>101853882
She has a skewed perspective and thinks everything in life is supposed to unfold perfectly like a movie. For chuds like us it's often a gritty, ugly path.

>>101853921
That's what I tell her, she's grown up surrounded by people groomed for success from the start! Life isn't like that.
>>101853902
If you're making 250k then there's no excuse for being depressed, you can afford anything from a psychiatrist to extensive therapy to homemade forge where you smith swords.

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>we have a weekly returning meeting to discuss things with developers and management
>it's about trying to bring structure to the team
>they are so fucking long and everyone is unprepared
>during the retro I told them it were long useless meetings
>like we are all chickens in a barn trying to get to a democratic decision
>told them this shouldn't be done democratically but the lead should just decide it alone
>manager got all defensive and gave the dumbest fucking arguments in existence
whatever, I will just continue looking out of the window while people that are too dumb to wipe their own ass can give an opinion in the democratic process

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>first day at work
ok that's enough. I want to retire now

>>101854067
Build that 401k bros until you are 65, scratch that, 67, sorry I meant 74

>>101844518
>you are unironically better off learning a trade instead of trying to be a swe with no passion for tech
hard pass on that lol
I'm not sure I have zero passion, but I'm perhaps low passion and 250k/year remote beats ANY fucking trade wagie meme.

trades only win (sometimes) from a "time to job" metric IMO.
or if you end up owning the businesses, but owning a successful biz in any industry is obviously a win.
might also do well if you have some sort of family/friends in to a particular path. I'm also averse to being managed by boomers, but maybe some trade managers would be the exception?

It's hard for me to truly know what being a tech new grad in 2020+ is like though. I got my first internship in 2014 and full time in 2016. This was around the time the learn to code meme was hitting full swing. 130 IQ + top 10 university + willingness to leetcode a few months out of my life probably gave me some decent edge.

Ushering every average joe, woman, and thirdie into coding bootcamps was a massive trick, but I could see that coming a mile away. Even something like medicine or law has more leeway for being really mediocre but still employable/productive, but software is just brutal.

>>101854073
I'm a contract employee I don't get any benefits or a 401k.

>>101854085
Can i ask what your salaries were/are?
Also
>Ushering every average joe, woman, and thirdie into coding bootcamps was a massive trick
Do these people get filtered?

Why does HR take so long to follow up on interview results. They're actually not that busy... right?

>>101854119
They're busy interviewing the other 500 applicants

>>101854126
With how many resumes get binned because of AI filtering bs, I doubt that many people even get to the interviewed

>>101853886
I know one of you has it

>>101854052
Hate fucking meetings like this. Most people are just morons and ramble on for 5 minutes instead of the unenforced 1 minute or whatever. Leadership refuses to add any more rigidity to the meeting despite immediately ignoring the meeting themselves. You can see them either looking at their phone or hearing their unmuted keyboard as they use the time for other work. God forbid any of these people take some feedback from an IC.

>>101853464
If the README was truly wrong I'd be glad he brought it up. I'd go through the steps again and fix up the README so that it was consistent. Now, if I was an editor on it years ago and someone asked me THEN I'd be annoyed, but that only happens once every few years.

>>101854052
Same here kek. Not my problem

>>101854119
They have lots of shoes on Amazon that need to be looked at.

>>101854109
Not really they just lower the standards to keep them in the pipeline so they can continue to profit off them.

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>This feature needs to be done by this arbitrarily decided deadline that I gaslit you into underpointing while saying it is just an estimate
>Why?
>It just does ok? That's how agile works

Literally accepted a 60k contract yesterday for 1 year, should I keep searching for a real permanent position and take it if I find it? Or do I wait till its closer to the end of the contract?

>>101854492
Do you have any reason not to keep searching?

>>101854331
The readme is definitely wrong, it always is.

>>101854543
Yeah job searching is too draining

>>101854543
Will quitting it after being there for 1 month look bad? I want the stability a perm job brings.

>>101847662
If they thought you would be a good employee, but you lost to a better candidate, they would keep your resume and contact you for the next opening
Cooldown period means you weren't good enough and they don't care enough to keep you on hold
Sorry to break it to you

>>101854730
It's fine. If it's that short of a period just don't even put it on your resume, and it's very unlikely anyone who knew you in this role will know you in a future role. (And much less: give a shit.)

>>101843877
>I started learning programming a few months ago. Why is this? My girlfriend moved to another country for her dream university.
Did you consider attending university alongside of her? That could be a pathway to a more relevant job in the area. Did your gf not consult you and just go?
how old are you two and how long together?

>Because this coding shit doesn't seem so hard.
i suppose writing isn't too hard either, but then actually being on an economically valuable project is where the rubber hits the road. is writing hard then?
What have you built so far or are you going through books/tutorials to judge this?

I'm not trying to "gotcha". you can build a career with basically zero side projects and not quitting on textbook style coding is certainly a start.

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>>101854950
She's 24 and I'm 25, together three years. She's rich so her parents are paying for it and it's a top uni, I can't afford it nor could I get in if I applied. We talked about it and her masters is only a year so LDR for a year isn't a big deal. So ideally what I'd like to do is get a remote software dev job that allows me to have enough that I can visit her often or airbnb for a few months at a time near her.
>What have you built so far or are you going through books/tutorials to judge this?
I'm doing a course that I'm about halfway through that covers the Python fundamentals, then Flask, web scraping, SQLite, some APIs, Pandas stuff ... I think it's a good well rounded start.

Besides the projects in the course, I've been making a few games in tkinter. Now that I know how to use Flask a bit more, I am going to start working on a long distance relationship thing that tracks cheap flights, let's us store albums of trips together, movie lists to watch, etc etc. As I keep learning more I'll keep adding features to that.

I know you're not trying to gotcha me haha, and I know it won't be easy, but I think if I do keep learning at a fast rate and dong projects to apply what I learn, networking, etc etc, I can do it within six months.

>>101844949
>how do I truly learn bros...
>>101844977
>Truly learn what? Python?
ya you start with identifying what you even want to learn. I understand it could be difficult in a field with such a wide array of directions to go in.

As of now you've done an (allegedly rigourous) beginner course, a leetcode problem set, and 5 books on a language. were those books redundant or targeted?

In any case, we can see how this pales in comparison to something like a proper CS degree at a good school. where CS50 is literally just the intro course; that's table stakes.

And then neetcode....again we all took an algorithms course + discrete math and did leets on the side + leets live in interviews. and many read a little bit about python on the side.

aside from those, I did 11 other 10 weeks quarter courses...that was to come an entry level developer. Now, I don't think you need to match all that fundamental knowledge, but it shouldn't surprise you that you're still in "when the hell does it all come together" mode. you're still relatively new to all of this, but have a foothold

>>101854119
HR departments are the Bell Labs of inefficiency

>>101855166
>me in the parking lot on my lunch break

I finally got a six figure salary and I think I'm still broke for CA
thanks bidan
kmsing myself

>>101855336
how

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How do I motivate myself to program and apply for jobs?

I've been out of a job way too long and it's like I have a fucking mountain to climb

FUCK

>>101855336
>I finally got a six figure salary and I think I'm still broke for CA
>2024
>still uses the phrase "six figure salary" which was used as a benchmark before even the early 2000s for good pay

The new "six figs bro" is probably around $180,000, in terms of what that actually used to mean. and that wouldn't even be CA. Bump that up by 40-50%+ for Cali

>good news
5 jobs see my application
>bad news
they say i'm not fit for the job

wtf is this, i'm applying for Comptia A+ jobs and i have net+ and sec+ and they still reject me
YOU FUCKERS LET ME IN

>>101855336
The only way I can move to CA is if FAGMAN offers me $200k+ base salary. Anything less then it ain't worth the move.

My contract runs out in September. They've been extending it for almost 4 years now, but now they said they're in a hiring freeze and dont have the budget to extend again or hire me. It was my first job out of college.
Not only will I be unemployed, but I also wont have insurance. It's over.

>>101855529
>>101855545
i want to die
i live in shithole, soCA
everyone around me thinks I'm "rich" now
i'm slowly realizing i will still never own a home while my money is devalued daily
maybe i should just join the FFL or some shit

>>101855497
gavin newsom slurps up a third of my paycheck and the Fed obliterates the rest, while stinky niggers chase my paid-off car and hit it with rocks
that's how

>>101855524
What is your goal in life?

>>101855654
Just leave Cali, man

>>101855790
Make enough money to get a wife and have kids

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I’m so fucking burned out. I can’t do shit.

>>101855886
Broke people have wife and kids

Most indian nationals would kill to be you. How does this make you feel?

>>101855545
You have to make at least $400k a year just to be able to afford a house in a white neighborhood in California.

>>101855545
200K is the baseline to afford a meager home. After crunching the numbers 200K would barely pay for a house mortgage + monthly expenses. BARELY, so you need more like 250-300 to obtain what people got 25 years ago for 1/5th of that.

At least you make money in California. Trying living in London

>>101855846
my only human connections are all here and I don't know where else to go
every other state I've been to is basically third world, and they don't even realize it
the only hope is to make enough money to escape niggerland and live in the imperial interior, rather than the ghetto outskirts where I am now

>>101856078
>>101856082
Woah, woah, woah. Slow down there you guys. I don't plan on living there. I plan on getting money and then extracting out of there with maybe a bitch in tow. But that's only if FAGMAN offers me a job.

>>101854950
They only allow her to attend.

>>101855886
You will never breed. I would take estrogen and become a femboy if I were you, won't even need to work.

>>101843235
>Recruiter doesn't give me time to ask questions at the end of interviews
I'm starting to notice this more. It's a nice way of knowing you didn't get the job beforehand nowadays.

>>101856129
Post your resume; you sound very unprofessional and childish, so I'm doubting anyone in CA will give you a job.

Scheduled for an in-person third round interview later this week. Seems like the final stage since I'm meeting with two people with titles that sound like they are more senior management.

This is the first time I've interviewed somewhere where the people all have White (one might be Hispanic) names.
The last time I got this far everyone I met was Indian and rude.

Any tips for good questions to ask, lads? Is it a good idea to find out information about the people I'm speaking with and ask some questions that are personally tailored to them?

>>101856193
>unprofessional
>childish
>doubting anyone in CA will give you a job
There's no such thing as professional in Cali

>>101856215
>where the people all have White names
>personal questions
Sure, sounds like a great idea to ask questions that are unrelated to the position.
Childish chuds are so tiresome.

why shouldn't i have depression and anxiety when someone else resume might be better than mine so whats the point of them hiring me?
its hopeless

>>101856404
Because some of them look at multiple resumes and not only one.

>>101856418
>>101856404
this is little-known, but totally true. many employers will examine up to three or even five resumes per position, greatly increasing your odds

>>101856404
there are people with better resumes, projects, and knowledge than the people that ended up being hired, could be also that some people that are amazing programmers got filtered by random leetcode questions they couldn't solve as efficiently, or maybe the recruiter just didn't vibe with the dude.

When you get to the plateau of jr.dev getting hired is just a gamble. We are all gamblers at the entry level stage.

>>101855654
>i live in shithole, soCA
>everyone around me thinks I'm "rich" now
>i'm slowly realizing i will still never own a home while my money is devalued daily
>maybe i should just join the FFL or some shit
get a remote job and just move to bangkok. I'm pulling $250k remote from SEA right now

It doesn't have to be SEA, but the overseas thing isn't a meme.

My expenses for today were....
$7 thirty minute taxi app ride
$17 two entree + 1 drink meal for me and two friends (no tip required)
$7.70 thirty minute taxi app ride home
$6 chicken sandwich + fries delivered to door

2bd apartment for the month on airbnb: $1200, including internet, AC, furniture.

Everything on here would be 3x the cost in Seattle and I also get ~$19,000 back on taxes for being outside the US 330+ days of the year

>>101856418
>>101856466
>>101856486
alright i won't have depression and anxiety today

I think I might be retarded. I have a recurring nightmare trying to fix a bug that doesnt even exist or relate to my tickets at all. I stay up all night thinking about it until I convince myself its not real. I'm actually delusional and sweating and shit while thinking about.

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>>101843235
>[Using the word device not computer]
YOU JUST MADE A ENEMY FOR LIFE.
Do you think these are light bulbs or switches you dumb apeloid fuck?!

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>>101856546
everything is going to be ok

>>101856546
Honestly you start feeling better and more positive about seeking a job when you know that the whole interview process is completely unfair to everyone equally.

>>101855671
I love Gavin Newsom that dude is like the perfect avatar of liberal psychopathy. It's like watching a walking, talking work of art.

>>101855886
What is the best country to buy a wife from?
I am a strong man who will give her food and protect her from joggers and future scientists.

>>101856078
Just accept that you can't afford to be white.
Being white is a privilege, not a right. Every iteration of white flight leaves more and more whites behind, until the final scenario of whites living in a fortified castle with robot dog guards and costs $10 million a year income to live there, surrounded by a sea of darkness.

Sick sick people are posting in this thread

Degenerate morons with mental illness

People who are doomed to a life alone, rotting away, posting on the internet about degenerate shit because it's the only feeling of power they will ever have in their pathetic lives

I was fucking around on the LAN while bored out of my mind and discovered some retard saved a backup copy of his desktop on here, and I was clicking around in there because I'm creepy, and I discovered his benefits report that shows his total compensation and this fucker makes BANK. I cannot believe how underpaid I am.

>>101856179
Nah, they still ask and ghost or template-spam you afterward.
It's a lottery rn, take it with fun and ease.

>>101856896
nah its due to redlining

>>101856280
Right... they earn gorillion of dollars by being retarded.

>>101857095
you believing that the opposite of "retarded" is "professional" is why you don't have a job

>>101856375
>Personally tailored to them
>Personal Questions
These are not the same thing

>>101856984
Anonymously send it around if the opportunity shows itself and you are 99% opsec lol

>>101856511
>I also get ~$19,000 back on taxes
what the fuck?

i'm fully remote so i might be able to pull some shit like this, but going full sexpat is a big step


>>101856772
honestly he's a movie villain and if he would just own it it would go over a lot better. but my taxes are going to infinity niggercattle shitting in the streets instead of lazers or whatever. i wish evil was cool

I guess when I receive the invite to complete the "Candidate Experience Survey", I can consider that a rejection, lol

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god I wish I could work on my own fun projects and get paid for it

>no manager to tell me what to say in a presentation
>no communicating with tech illiterate normie product managers
>no boring project requiremenrs

>>101853288
At this point, I am just lying on my applications to get past HR. It isn't very affective to try convincing them that learning new tools is a trivial task and that people in my trade have to do it all the time anyway.

>written tons of python code now
>still need to google basic shit every 2 hours
For example I just looked up how to return a substring of a string from <index> to the end

>>101857309
>lying on my applications to get past HR
People always talk about how hard interviewing is but imo this is by far the hardest part. getting the fucking interview is harder than anything else. Especially with all this shit now about wanting you to have years of experience using something that can be learned in a week

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Thank you for the comradery. I am now 1.5 months into my software eng job. You all can get one too.
>I didn't grind leetcode (just a lil here and there for fun)
>I didn't graduate college (I failed my final semester for CS, and said fuckit I'm done)
>I did have an internship, but it was a research project at uni (was very fun)
>I 'graduated' at 27
>I didn't write cover letters
>I worked at a gym in while applying or jobs
>Filled out 250-300 job apps
I'm sure many of you can related to much of what I just said. Just keep grinding you will find something. You got it.

My contract ends in November and I'm shitting my pants that it won't be renewed.

>>101857423
thank you for the reminder to stop holding tension in my body, anon

>>101857293
Well there’s github sponsor and patreon. If you are good at shilling your stuff you can get people to pay you

>>101857423
thank you anon, I just feel depressed because I do a job unrelated to programming, IT sucks I wish I could code instead.

>>101856927
yeah so what
at least this thread has people with jobs

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>Applied for company
>They seemed interested in me since they rushed me through all the stages of the interview process, all interviews required me to be at their offices
>Seemed I nailed all interviews since it was always a good talk, and technical was frankly easy
>Excited to hear back
>After final interview total radio silence for almost 2 weeks
>Suddenly get an email for just a video call, no more in-person
They are just going to tell me I didn't make it right? Almost had it anons

If you guys had a personal audience of let's say 500k people on any social media, would you be able to make a patreon and a program and get rich? Do you have the skills and creativity?

>>101857740
Stop worrying like this. They already decided one way or the other and there’s nothing you can do

>>101857740
It's frustrating but a lot of companies don't have real hiring practices and just do retarded shit like that. They probably just want to have some other team member talk to you that they forgot to do earlier.
I've been part of this on the other side. And while it's dumb it's a good sign the actual team is pretty chill with hr stuff.

Anybody else here OE?

Which companies will require me to go to their offices? I live in florida and I don't want to take a flight to texas/CA just to get ghosted.

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i just applied to a job that said it requires a bachelors in computer science or related technical field. I said that applies to me but i have a bachelor's of arts in film and media... but like film and media are the intersection of art and tech so it sort of does count right?

>>101853886
nobody has it?

>>101858010
you just have to fool hr

>>101857740
No company would ever tell you personally over a video call that they weren’t hiring you. They would send an impersonal automated email.
Worst case scenarion is it’s another interview, best case is they want to offer you a job. Think positively bud

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>interviewing
>all candidates are indian
>all the resumes are obviously fake
>ask what "HTTP 200" means
>oh that means timeout
tiresome.

>>101858118
Hmm.
So basically what you're saying is that getting the job easy is as long as I can score an interview

>>101858118
hi hey i sent 100 applications i'm not indian and not an idiot why don't you pick my fucking resume ass tard

>>101858131
I think he means he has to interview 200 indians before he can even talk to you (assuming you passed the first stage) because 5000 people sent their CV and 250 were selected for the next round.

>>101858010
Depends on the job, I don't think they really care that much anymore and more about experience. My first real IT job was a training specialist/technical writer role that required videos to be made. My only experience was working 3 years in an IT department in a retail company trying to find a job in film and media. Try to find a job that has video-related stuff to do and tailor your experience and background to it.

>>101858206
*mean to say that I had the same background as you do.

>>101858118
you voted for this

>>101852012
Yes, we know. It's because you are Indian.

>>101857831
yes but J2 is getting on my nerves so I'm trying to replace it but no one is hiring

>>101858206
it was a cold application through linkedin to a microsoft software engineer 2 role. im probably never going to get it ;-;

HELLO SIR, IT HELP DESK SIR
VART IS COMPUTER DOING WRONG, SIR?

>>101858236
No, I'm white sir

How do I skip the part where I need to bust my balls getting experience

>>101858411
lie

>>101858411
you skip it by actually enjoying tech. not to be confused with enjoying work, liking your coworkers, being loyal to the organization your work for...

>>101855336
i'm at like $85k TC and I pay $2,400 in rent here in socal (orange county). you have it good, stop bitching

>>101857740
you're honestly retarded if you think they're not about to hire you
congratulations anon

>>101858455
Is that by yourself or with others? I pay 1800 in Cupertino, but with housemates.

>>101858444
I enjoy tech but hate my coworkers

>>101858411
Nepotism

I did incredible bad at a leetcode interview, I feel fucking humiliated man. I want to bury myself 1000 feet under dirt.
When I lose my current job I'll never be able to get a new one, fuck my fucking life fuck

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>>101853425
why is your future house like this?

>>101857115
I literally earn triple of whatever you earn https://jamescrovo.com I hate nocoders so fucking much

>>101858807
Disgusting, imagine having peeing plants in front of your house.

>>101856831
it doesn't matter which country, because she will turn into a typical American woman as soon as you import her.

>>101858118
Ask stupid questions get stupid answers

>>101858222
nice digits but your accusation is baseless.
>>101858377
of course of course

>>101858118
Why are you interviewing Indians, then?

>>101858455
i want this to be true so bad
are you fucking with m,e

orange county is gorgeous, i was gonna move down there for a company that ended up ghosting me

>>101858522
cupertino is pretty too, how many ways are you splitting it

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>>101858823
post tits

>>101858377
JD vance why are you here

My uncle who works in transportation oferred me a conductor job, he said I'll be making 3 digits in 3 years, I think I gotta go that way, 3 months applying and still jobless...

>>101859026
Resumes are anonymized and we get thousands of applicants.

>>101858823
>Reactlet
>Portfolio site
>Ching chong bing bong
Hahahahahahahahaha
nypa

>>101859035
Vance would say m'am not sir.

>>101859051
>>101859032
Poor codelets, I pity you. You will never afford a house or have a wife and kids.

does anyone have that CS job posting chart where it fucking dips right after covid?

It's so gay that they don't really start hiring until Q1

>>101858823
>asian
Ah – conformist antbrain. That explains it.

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I have an in person interview on wednesday and I'm not going to lie, I am nervous as fuck. I have not interviewed in person in 6 years

>>101859094
READ ANON

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>>101859095
Jack off before and during the interview, never failed me.

>>101859068
>wife
You're a lesbian? Makes sense, I guess.
Post tits!

>>101859046
Looks like you are failing at hiring with diversity in mind, you should be fined.

>>101859115
I'm married and have kids, something you will NEVER achieve, keep crying.

>>101859043
I heard they pay you good to watch jumpers explode on the glass.

>>101859095
You can do it, anon. Since you've gotten this far, your technical skills are a match – they just want to meet you and get to know what it will be like to work with you. Everyone just wants to have a good time, and enjoy working with other technical guys who share their interests. You have a lot to look forward to!

>>101859102
>I'm asian
>lol you're asian
>s-sour grapes
What?
I think your pattern matching is a little tweaked, buddy. You should get that social credit score adjusted before you drift further off baseline.

>>101858061
I had a recruiter that scheduled a half hour call so she could tell me I got rejected in 5 minutes. They'll do anything to look busy.

>>101859152
>I heard they pay you good to watch jumpers explode on the glass.
qrd

>>101859160
>>101858061
HR is a bunch of retarded women doing retarded woman shit all day long. They will absolutely schedule calls for nothing, because clicking around in the calendar is Doing a Job at Work and makes them feel good. Model them as simple FSMs

You can't claim any measure of superiority when you're so insecure that you're willing to doxx yourself to 'prove' a point

>>101854405
for me it's dragging my feet with everything and telling managers they are retards because I have enough savings I could neet for 5 years.

Ok be honest with me, what is the fucking difference between me a random shmuck and those dudes getting multiple competing FAANG internships since freshman year and getting return offers?

Like what the actual fuck do they do? do they know someone inside? Are they autistic enough to do assembly code to solve?

>>101859346
It's a combination of things. And some of what you said.

As someone who didn't finish college for financial reasons and had to clamber to prove my programming skill through toiling through jobs and lots of proving myself, I managed to get several interviews with FAANG despite not being in any internships and the like. It helped that I had some jobs under my belt. I never reached offer stage cause the technical rounds always kicked my ass simply cause I could not do the specialized shit like writing a string sorting algorithm in thirty minutes. And optimizing AND knowing why it was optimized that way. Despite knowing that the skills I will be using will have little to do with it (though I do agree it's better to write code that you know scales well if it's running a million iterations a day). But me knowing that should be enough to hire me. You came to me knowing my years of experience and what I can do, and yet you are treating me like a kid out of college.

Makes no damn sense.

>>101859389
how much money do you make

>>101859346
doling the application task without cheating
being likable in the interview

>>101859399
Way below what I currently should be making since I didn't have the connections out of college like a lot of people start out with when they finish the degree. Usually, when you exit college, you suppose to have an internship that moves you into a full job or equivalent. Unfortunately, I had to work small jobs and build myself up to junior level simply cause I lacked credentials. So I didn't even reach junior level pay (75 - 80K) for nine years of my professional career. I've been a professional engineer for 17 years and only recently I moved up to 120K (I live in the midwest). Based on my seniority, I'm actually suppose to be making 150K minimum and moving on to the 200K bracket by entering the senior part of my career but as you can see, Im still far behind. Which is why Im aggressively seeking pay raises to catch up.

At the same time, it looks fishy to employers wondering why I'm so "far behind" despite having senior in my title. I only have one big company on my resume that is considered global recognized. And it doesn't help that I use C# for a while cause everyone in the industry does. I have been wanting to pick up a C++ or some kind of upper tier job, but again...you have to get those through connections, which I solely lack. So I have to work five times as hard to even get to where someone at my same level of experience can so do normally.

And most of all, I'm competing against nepotism and not being white. But I'm an american, so I still am better than indians. Just a lot of friction in my career.

>>101857423
Well done, anon

>>101859389
buy neetcode like everyone else

>>101859486
>C#
>17yrs
>120K
Anon, I... I just got my first job at 130K. I think this is a skill issue on your part, genuinely. You shouldn't have learned a street shitter bingbong pakilang if you didn't want gukguk fishpussy wages and be treated like river turd

>>101859522
I already did neetcode stuff. I can do the problems actually really well. They never throw the hard stuff at you. I just felt like they wanted you to be 100% perfect or want the right response or some perfect answer. That was the issue. I always hated leetcode.

I know C#, C++, Python, Java, and a few other minor stuff (the obvious sql). Ive been doing this before I even went to college so I was always knowledgeable about the many aspects of our industry.

AS for it being a skill issue, a little bit of that but I also did not have luck on my side. I was broke (not for reasons of my own. NEVER let your parent have control of your college money). So I had to do a lot of odd gigs until I got onto one little programming job. Then I had to get help from my computer science friends that I knew in college who helped me get with recruiters. That was really what helped get me started.

I spent last year trying to get a higher paying job but I was getting rejected from a lot of them with only a few interviews. My recent job Ive had for six months now, but 120K is simply too small for someone at my rank. Which I got through a recruiter. So my wisdom now is not to apply to jobs with spamming. Find someone who is where you want to be and have them help get you an interview. So that's my next task. I don't even bother with applications anymore. I'm letting my work talk for me.

>been working as a dev for 10 years
>starting my first ever CTO position next month

Long shot I know, but does anyone here have recommendations for literature on the various skills that will come in handy (e.g. planning, stakeholder management, communication)?

The salary is astronomical so I want my best to prepare for the job.

>>101859626
how big is the salary

>>101859598
if you're letting C# talk for you I am not surprised with your results

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>>101859641
$120k + bonus based on company earnings also the company is taking care of most of my daily expenses save for rent

I'm Europoor and it's a higher salary than I ever imagined I could reach without a college degree.

>>101859681
Can you explain?

>>101850149
>Doing nothing really broke my spirit and motivation for self improvement.
literally me rn, an unemployed new grad

>>101859707
either you're racist or you aren't

racist, fascist, capable of discernment, of judgement, of having taste – it's all the same thing. and you either have it or you don't. you have not displayed discernment, and you are being passed on by people who value discernment. you have been picked up by those who do not – river shitters

do you stand for anything? do you care? do you even exist? what are you?

that is your answer

>>101859760
if youre trying to come across intelligent with that response, youre not

>>101859124
>married
lol brainlet
>kids
let me guess: they're cursed to be hapas? or are you just breeding even more asians?

>>101859820
i'm actually just telling you how to fix your life, in a post-dead thread, where no one is left but us. i don't care what i look like. i'm throwing you a bone

>>101859346
six hours of leetcode a day and being able to function in society