>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use cases.State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC>CPUWeb browsing: 12100, 5600GGaming: 12400F, 7600, 7800X3DWorkstation: 12700K, 7900X, 7950XWARNING 13th/14th gen owners: Update your bios for the latest 0x129 microcode to prevent degradation>COOLERAIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge/Arctic Liquid Freezer IIIDouble towers: ID-Cooling FROZN A620 PRO SE, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SEITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67>MOTHERBOARDAM5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57X2FygcqLE [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]>RAMDDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GBDDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB or 2x48GB>SSD (OS drive)Low mid end: SN770Premium: SN850X, P41Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5>GPU1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT, RX 6750 XT1440p: RTX 4070 Ti Super, RX 7800 XT, RX 7900 GRE4K: RTX 4090, RTX 4080 Super, RX 7900XTXWorkstation: RTX 4000 Series>CASE (from $ to $$$)mATX: Montech Air 100, Lian Li A3, Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li O11 Air MiniATX: Phanteks XT PRO(ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Antec C5, Lian Li Lancool 216/IIIAVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, 4000D airflow>PSUBudget: Gold rated 500-600W PSUMid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max loadHigh end: Seasonic PRIME TXAVOID: GAMEMAXPSU buying guide:https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q3 2024)>MONITORStandout:1080p: MSI G244F E21440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D2160p: Gigabyte M27/28/32Uhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/tBTGQP>OSActivate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansBudget: Arctic P12/P14 Max (5-pack)High end: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM, NF-A14x25r G2 PWMPrevious: >>102021808
>>102030990Reminder DLSS > native
>>1020309904070 super in 1080p, vro that is kinda Fre𝓪ky
Post your unpopular PC Building opinions
AVOID poomd products>4K: RTX 4090, RTX 4080 Super, RX 7900XTX>7900xtx>4kKEK
everywhere I look I see Ryuuko
>>102031030my opinion is whatever pisses off AMD fags and NvidiaShillmassreplyfag off the most
>>102031030All my PC Building Opinions are extremely popular though.
>>102031023imagine telling someone 6 years ago that his 1080Ti is a 720p card lol
>>102030990ryuuko a shit
>>102031041This. anyone expecting a 7900 XTX to carry in 4K is in for a very sore surprise. A 4080S is the bare minimum at this juncture.
>>102030990>>GPUOP is is retarded that he organizes graphics cards by VRAM instead of performance and features
>>102031041>>102031135>4kDepends on the game
>>102031155>GameGPU opinion invalid
>>102031135>>102031041ononono
>>102031214>look! It’s a cherry picked game with worse quality FSR enabled and no I’m not gonna show you the details because then you’ll be able to confirm this is an extreme outlier Hmm..
>>102031233average fps across 25 games at native 4k, look up the review yourself if you want
can dlss/fg work on Linux (eos) with an Nvidia card? idk how to turn on hardware acceleration, I couldn't turn on fg in wukong without itI'm dual booting anyway so it's not a huge deal, I'm just curious. i already know I can't use DLDSR on it
POSTEM. finally setup my Linux boot
>>102031030Using RT is fucking retarded and you only buy nvidia because you don't want to deal with dog radeon drivers.
>>102031199>bought radeonOpinion invalidated
>>102031381>you don't want to deal with dog radeon drivers.Redpill me on AMDWhy do they get so much hate
>>102031214Except the reality is that Radeontards can't actually play anything new and demanding at 4K without FSR
>>102031384I had more issues after 2 years of radeon than after 15 years of nvidia. Maybe some people didn't and good for them. But I'm willing to pay more to not deal with driver crashes.
>>102031384switched from Nvidia to Radeon last year in April it has been smooth sailing since I switched, I doubled my perf and I am getting new features (Anti lag2, FSR Frame gen, FSR 3.1 upscaling) regularly thanks AMD
>>102031491>its another opposite day posterAll RTX cards have both the latest version of DLSS reconstruction and can use FSR Frame Gen if they want
>>102031491>Anti lag2And oh yeah, even GTX 9 series cards have Reflex, which is better than Anti-Lag 2
How do I make MSI repair my RMA'd mobo faster. I don't want to wait 4 fucking days + shipping when I know that they can fix it in less than an hour
>>102031555Womp womp must be frustrating for 3000 series owners who had to wait for AMD to give them frame gen, also cherry-picked super zoomed in screenshots classic
>>102031579If they have the service, ask for advance replacement, which means they ship a new mobo to you first (you put down a deposit), and they refund you when they receive your broken mobo
>>102031574Posting irrelevant info here since anti lag+ was replaced by anti lag 2 which runs on all cards from RX 5000 series and above
>>102031617Who cares? Anti lag 2 is in nogaemes, while Reflex is in hundreds, and has been for years
>>102031651Anti lag 2 is a new feature and so is only in two games yes but the list of supported games is only going to grow with time
>>102031673Thank you for proving my pointRadeon is a waste of money
Personally I think Radeon's marketshare is well deserved, considering how good their products are
>>102031684shame Nvidia couldn't offer me better value then
>>102031714If you weren't a retard you'd know Geforce is better value for many reasons, especially DLSS
>>102031555>fsrlooks awful, are they even doing any actual upscaling or is it just a rebranded sweetfx filter
>>102031740Had a 2070 super, got a 6950xt with a brand new game (TLOUPT1) for 610 USD, Sold my old card for 200 USD doubled my perf the only competitor at the time was the slower 4070
>>102031702>>102031798AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT - 16 GB, GDDR6, 256 bitAMD Radeon RX 7900 XT - 20 GB, GDDR6, 320 bitAMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX - 24 GB, GDDR6, 384 bitAre they really that bad?
>antilaghttps://www.guru3d.com/story/amd-in-counterstrike-2-can-result-in-vac-ban/Once again, AVOID POOMD
>>102031822they are fine, depends on what kind of games you want to play and what you want to do with the pc>>102031842>10 months agoirrelevant fixed already
>>102031822Really bad value. You get more raw VRAM in exchange for worse drivers, worse features, and shit tier performance in modern render pipelines. It’s great if you’re a bro who just plays COD or MOBAs all day though but then you might as well go for the budget options
>>102031798The 6950 XT is slower in new games with worse image quality than the 4070. It's in the benchmark I postedIt's also a space heater, unlike the 4070
Is the poojeet nvidia shill out on full force because of the 8800 XT?Get those 10 rupees, saar
why are you advertising a company that already has 90+% market share
>marvel slop, hellblade, fortnite, my favorite games!
>>102031822They're fine. The problem is that if you're dropping $500+ on a video card you probably want the latest shiny graphics features (i.e. RT) and that's exactly where they fall off. If you, subjectively, don't like either RT or upscaling then feel free to go AMD. Or not - and this is the other problem - because the discount is quite small in relative terms. When you can afford a $1500 PC, $100 either way just doesn't mean much.
>>102031899I don't advertise anything. As a former Radeon owner, I would like to advise anons not to make the same mistakes I made
>assassin's creed on 8 year old gpus, my favorite game!
>>102031933they fixed the dx11 driver on rdna2 and above
>>102031877Sorry I don't play any of the slop games you posted here I play Halo Infinite, Horizon Forbidden west, Helldivers 2 and BF2042, also nobody who is serious about playing Fortnite uses any of the advanced graphics features so that argument is irrelvant, Immortals of Aveum is a shit game that nobody plays, and I have no fucking clue what Fort Solis is
>>102031933>>102031968What are the downsides of AMD GPUs
>>102031967This this so much this!! That’s why I went AMD, heckin 10% gain over nvidiots on AC2! Fuck yeah buddy! RT is for zoomers
>>102031968No they didn't
>>102031970>Halo InfiniteXbox lol>Horizon Forbidden westPS4 port lol>Helldivers 2PS5 port lol
>>102031992Slower RT, and worse looking upscaler
>>102031992Shit drivers and more power draw.>>102032000>RT is for zoomersIt is
rdoa4
>>102031933Funny I feel the same way about Nvidia. Guess there's no winning.
Intel Battlemage dGPUs doko?
>expeditions a mud uhhh my uhhI've never even heard of that
>>102032011Sorry these titles don't fit your worldview of Nvidia = faster than Radeon this must be very disheartening, my condolences
>>102031921If I'm dropping $500+ I expect not to use budget card crutches like upscaling and frame interpolation.
>>102032059>>102032011Alan Wake 2 will bring your 4090 to it's knees if you enable path tracing a crank everything up. Play a real PC game. Not console shit.
>>102032052There is an objectively better optionwhich is Geforce>>102032070Your expectations are retarded, as reconstruction is built into most demanding current games. Additionally, DLSS is better than or equivalent to native image quality most of the time, meaning you get a massive framerate boost often with better image quality
>>102032094Why do you talk like a marketer?
>>102032090>Alan Wake 2Lol
>>102032106Marketers called people retarded and shitheads?Fucking based
>>102032090All the "console" games ported to PC look batter and run faster for being on pc they look better than what you get on a ps5
>>102031992 • Nvidia: • Generally leads in raw performance, especially in the high-end segment (e.g., RTX 4080, 4090). • Superior ray tracing performance due to more mature RT cores and software optimization. • Better performance in AI-related tasks and machine learning, powered by Tensor Cores. • AMD: • Competitive in rasterization performance, especially in mid-range to upper mid-range GPUs (e.g., RX 6800 XT). • Performance per dollar tends to be better in some segments, offering better value for gamers on a budget. • Ray tracing performance is improving but still lags behind Nvidia.Price • Nvidia: • Typically more expensive, especially in the high-end market. • Often seen as the premium option, with a higher price-to-performance ratio in top-tier models. • AMD: • More affordable options across the board, especially in the mid-range. • Offers better price-to-performance ratios in many cases, particularly in non-ray tracing workloads.Software & Features • Nvidia: • Industry-leading software ecosystem, including DLSS (Deep Learning Super Sampling) which provides excellent performance boosts with minimal quality loss. • Broader support for creative applications and professional workloads. • G-Sync for smoother gaming with minimal screen tearing. • AMD: • FSR (FidelityFX Super Resolution) competes with DLSS but isn’t as refined, though it’s gaining traction due to broader compatibility. • Software has improved but still seen as slightly less polished than Nvidia’s. • FreeSync is widely supported and offers good performance for adaptive sync without additional cost.Driver & Ecosystem Support • Nvidia: • Known for stable drivers and broad ecosystem support. • Better support for Linux and professional workloads. • AMD: • Driver support has historically been less consistent, though it has improved significantly. • Ecosystem support is narrower, with fewer optimizations for professional applications
>>102032070Agreed. Personally I don't much go for AAA games these days so this really isn't my fight (which is rather the point).
>>102032125Marketers love to read talking points off a checklist by rote. Them and chatbots.
>>102032141Hey chatGPT generate a summary comparing pros and cons of Nvidia and AMD consumer graphics cards!
>7800X3D>7900XTX>SAMSUNG 990 4TB Just works>7800X3D>4090>SAMSUNG 990 4TB Just worksSimple as
>>102032170
Can someone help me? I’m looking for a micro atx case that actually has hard drive bays, hope fully 6 of them. All the ones I see listed on scorptech (au store) don’t have any hard drive bays at all.Doesn’t need a psu I have one already.Need to be able to fit a gigabyte Gtx 980 in it.
>>102032183I'm not Chinese lol
>>102032183I FUCKING LOVE RAY TRACING I LOVE CUTTING MY PERFORMANCE IN HALF I LOVE UPSCALERS I LOVE AI FRAME GENERATION I LOVE RAY RECONSTRUCTION AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>102032198
>>102032214Only on RadeonTMNvidia loses 6% on Medium path tracing30% on High path tracing
>>102032165Pros of Nvidia Graphics Cards: 1. Performance Leadership: Nvidia consistently outperforms AMD in both raw power and efficiency 2. Ray Tracing and DLSS: Nvidia pioneered real-time ray tracing, revolutionizing in-game lighting and shadows for a more realistic experience. Their Deep Learning Super Sampling (DLSS) technology uses AI to boost frame rates without compromising image quality—a feature AMD struggles to match. 3. Software Ecosystem: Nvidia’s software suite, including GeForce Experience, offers seamless game optimization, driver updates, and features like ShadowPlay for easy gameplay recording. AMD’s software is less polished and lacks the same level of refinement. 4. Driver Stability: Nvidia drivers are renowned for their stability and frequent updates, ensuring your games and applications run smoothly. AMD has had a history of driver issues, which can lead to frustrating gaming experiences. 5. Industry Support: Nvidia’s CUDA cores are widely adopted in various industries, from gaming to AI research and content creation. 6. Resale Value: Nvidia cards typically retain higher resale value compared to AMD, reflecting their long-standing reputation for quality and performance.Cons of Nvidia Graphics Cards:NullPros of AMD Graphics Cards:NullCons of AMD Graphics Cards: 1. Inferior Ray Tracing Performance: AMD’s ray tracing capabilities are a step behind Nvidia’s, offering lower frame rates and less refined visuals. 2. Software and Driver Issues: AMD’s software lacks the polish of Nvidia’s offerings, and their drivers have a reputation for being less stable, which can be a significant drawback for gamers. 3. Limited Industry Support: While AMD has its strengths, Nvidia’s CUDA technology dominates in professional applications, leaving AMD as a less attractive option for content creators and developers. 4. Lower Resale Value: AMD cards tend to depreciate faster than Nvidia, reflecting their lesser market demand and perceived value.
>>102032222consume the pathtracing slop goyim
amd fans are losing their minds over rt kek
>>102032249Nvidia marketing for free? in this economy?
>>102032250
Has anything filled the void Optane left behind?
>>102031030Framerate is far less important than stability. It won't matter if you get 300 FPS when your computer hard resets in the middle of a game, or if you have constant stuttering.
Looks like the RDNA4 leak got the local nvidia shill really riled up lel. Keep fighting the good fight!
>>102032371Post the "leak," haven't seen it
>>102032385the latest article on lemonparty.org
16gb unlocks 1080p gaming
>>102032417it's clearly faster on the 8GB card
>>102032417>one of the amd sponsored abominations
>>102032385Holy shit.. DLSS is notably better than native res… incredible
Why is xhe picking only games nobody plays?
>>102032336>Has anything filled the void Optane left behind?Sadly no. Why haven't RAM Disks become a real thing now that high-capacity DIMMs are more affordable?
What were the top gpus in 2004 and 2014
>>102032194>Can someone help me? I’m looking for a micro atx case that actually has hard drive bays, hope fully 6 of themYour best hope:https://au.pcpartpicker.com/products/case/#t=7,6&J=6,20&sort=price&page=1^Fractal Design Node 804 when it comes back in stock at 165 AUD on MWave. There are other models that fit your requirements but I don't see them listed for stock.If you are willing to live with only 4xHDD slots your options expand a bit:https://au.pcpartpicker.com/products/case/#t=7,6&J=4,20&sort=price&page=1The Antec VSK 3000 Elite & Cooler Master Silencio S400 both are availavle at 110 AUD.
>>102032614If you mean for gaming it's basically because any solid state storage shifts the bottleneck on to the CPU. They're working on GPU decompression but adoption is slow.
>>102032369that's a skill issueyou can have both
>>102032614They're in enterprise: CXL memory (it's made of DRAM but don't know if it is nonvolatile)
>>102031041Yeah, the 7900XTX is good in 4K for older games, not so much with anything modern.
>>102031214Where is the 4080 Super? That's the one people are actually buying, not the 4080.
>>102032954>>1020329614080 Super and 4090 are 1440p cards. 5090 will be the actual 4K card
>>102032887Interesting. I wonder if it or CAMM will break out into mainstream desktop ecosystem soonish.
>>102032994What do you mean? I use my 4090 in 5120x1440 so not quite the same as 4k, but I get well over 100fps in most modern games at max settings. If it's a couple of years older, I'm usually hitting the engine limit. Yeah, some of the more recent shit needs frame gen if you use ray tracing, but that's fine with me in most single player games.
If the PC case I'm buying comes with 4 fans, do I need to buy more fans?I've heard you should always put in as much fans as your case can allow, but I'm wondering if its neccesary.I'm scared that if I don't add extra fans, my parts will melt or something
>>102030990>MSI G244F E2What's the catch? It's $100 and I can't find a single review not made by an Indian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Eyv5d2Rq8Worst launch since Bulldozer.
>>102032454One would assume games would run noticeably better on AMD's hardware considering both PlayStation and Xbox use their hardware.
>>102033079>BulldozerQRD on the dark days of AMD
>>102033107It's not the hardware. It's the developers and Indian programmers Starfield end credits is 45 minutes long. Why? They outsourced the heck out of it.27 different studios: Sonic Boom Sound, JSR Post, Iron Galaxy, The Multiplayer Group, Spera Soft, Snowed In Studios, GameSim, The Forge, Nobody Studios, Undertone FX, Wardog, Sparx*, Scyth Games, Rouge MoCap, RedHot, Kaptured Motions Inc., Airship Interactive, Lakshya Digital, NXA Studios, Goodbye Kansas, GL33k, FuryLion, Cubic Motion, Cloud Mark, 原力 aka Original Force, and 曼德沃克工作室 (Mindwalk Studios).
>>102033108all you need to know(this is technically piledriver, but same shit)
>>102032961The 4080 Super is maybe 1% faster than a 4080 on average
>>102033108shit performance and they lied about having 8 cores when its actually only 4 cores. at least they were cheap
I want to replace the thermal pads in my gpu with thermal putty, whats available and what should I be looking for?
>>102032214the 4090 caught up to 4k RT too fast which is why Nvidia is shilling path tracing.
>>102033107They don't
>>102033213Best thermal puttys in no order for VRM/VRAM: CX-H1300, UPSIREN U6 PRO, Zezzio ZT-PY6, Jeyi 8100, LK-PRO, EVGA Putty, Penchem TH949-1, Jeyi 8100, Penchem TH855-5, TG-PP10, Penchem TH930, KPT-8, MG860
>>102033273thanks
>>102033107The ones that do are the ones that heavily use L3 cache on the CPU and GPU and are the ones that usually run better on AMD than Nvidia. Call of Duty and Resident Evil games are two examples of this.
>>102033108They tried to scale up cores, but one of the compromises they made to get more cores was that each core would share the floating point unit with another core, so if you bought an eight core CPU, you would only get four working cores at a time when computing floating point calculations (you are basically always doing something that uses float).One of the unintended benefits of the bad design was that it took high voltage well, so you could pump a million watts into it and overclock it. This didn't help much.
The green goblin is back. I wonder how much he earns per post
>>102032454The sponsorship means nothing. That's how the game works.
>>102033407He just reposts the same folder every thread.
>>102033453AMD's sponsorship = high chance of tech disaster
>>102030990Anything I need to change? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ddx7mD
>>102033493The Radeon garbage
>>102033478Sorry, but no, the game works that way just because the game works that way. That's what video games do when you run out of VRAM.btw why are you talking about AMD? Could there be a reason? We all know there's no reason to complain about AMD or try to redirect when a legitimate issue like VRAM becomes a problem.
>>102033506>why are you talking about AMD?Because it's sponsorships often lead to technical disasters
>>102033504I have really efficient heating in my house so I don’t need intel
>>102033517Nah, repeating the same shit isn't going to work and you know that. All anyone reading this is thinking is that you're redirecting as usual.This DOESN'T work. You AREN'T in charge.
>>102033493You might consider a B650E motherboard that supports PCIe 5.0, because this would let you upgrade your graphics card later.Be careful about which motherboard you buy if selecting a different one, a lot of them have bad VRM. If you don't care about upgrades at a later time, the motherboard you picked is fine.
>>102033493An XTX, even if it's a Nitro+, is hard to justify at that price when there are 4080S for a similar price pointYou lose out on a bit of rasterization performance but marginally so, but you get all the Nvidia stuff4070 vs 7800XT or 4060Ti vs 7700XT I lean more towards the AMD cards even at similar prices, but 4080(S) vs 7900XTX feels like an easy win for the 4080 unless you really need the vramt. 7800xt user who definitely wouldn't trade it for a 4070 even if I was offered the option
>>102033493Looks solid to me. the power supply is much, but at that price you might as well buy a 4080. I own a 7900 xt
>>102033548>radeon>cpuYou're not smart, are you?
>>102033711There's a Radeon iGPU in that CPU.
>>102033506>a legitimate issue like VRAM becomes a problemThis is the ((((((legitimate)))))) issue that Radeontards are talking about in AMD sponsored games like TLoU
>>102033749He had to scrounge for twenty minutes to come up with an argument. A screenshot of a game that had to be patched because of Nvidia's product line. That's sad.
>>102033749>not shown in motion: worse 1% fps and dlss smearing on nvidiaAMD has accurate HW T&LNvidia doesn't
Buddy you can spam screenshots all you want but you only need just 1 screenshot to convince me to buy the 5070 and that's a screenshot of the 5070 with at least 16gb vram and with a msrp of less than $550
amd fans are so stingy
forgive me if the question is actually retardedsay i want to do middling workloads or 1440p gaming while i know I can suffice with a 4070 or the amd equivalent, but would getting something beefier like a xx80/xx90 or amd equivalent net be better temps since the card would not work as hard and due to heatsinks generally meant for the heavier workloads those cards are meant to do?
>>102034114No99% chance the better card will work harder, produce more heat, and get the work done faster. Temps of the graphics cards themselves will be the same
>>102034114AMD has L3 cache while Nvidia doesn't. The more L3 cache the more efficient the GPU is. But this is assuming everything is working perfectly when usually its not because Windows is garbage and Linux is perfect.
>>102034114If you limit the framerate, the card will use less than its max electrical consumption. But you're using a card that by default consumes more in the first place. Both GPUs you'd be considering are the same architecture and process node. The architecture needs to overall spend at least as much electricity on the larger die as compared to the smaller. It's just physics.
>>102034183Least schizo AMD fan
>>102031023Nah, vram is too low for 1440p
>>102034249Turn off RT and it'll be fine
>>102034249Wow, you found the one game where RT + framegen is too much for a 4070 12 GB. That's a UE4 game, and fortunately UE5 doesn't have the same problem.But let's have a laugh at Radeon's performance at those settings
Does having background apps open consume up the L3 cache on X3D GPUs that it will affect games? Is there a way to monitor it's usage or something?
>>102034357CPUs*
Thinking about switching to a 4k monitor so I can get an oled with not totally garbage text. GPU is 7800XT so probably not going to reasonably run things at 4k. How bad is running at 1440p and upscaling to 4k going to look compared to running native 1440p?
>>102034388FSR/Xess quality is 1440p on a 4k screen which is supposed to be indisguishable at normal viewing distance.
>>102034413>fsr>indistinguishableAMDelusion
>>102034388Run 1080p with 4x Integer Scaling.
>>102034428it's hard to tell the difference unless your eyes are right up to the panel seeing the individual alignment of pixels changing like a burning nerd who needs glasses
>>102034442>32" 1080pThis thread is full of bright ideas
Debating between 4 keyboards.Wooting Two HEAkko Anniversary edition HEDrunkDeer a75andSteelSeries Apex ProI want a hall effect keyboard for sure after using one I borrowed for a little while, but I also want it to be good for typing and I heard the wooting isn't all that?
Is 64gb ram a waste?
>>102034272Imagine not being able to use RT. cringe
>>102034618for gaming yes.
AsRock X670E Taichi Vs. ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F for a 7800X-3D?
>>102034863Neither. Just pickup a cheap B650 board and call it day.
In general, what could cause spikes in frametimes? 0.30 msec to 50 msec spikes seemingly when something "new" happens.
The time's here, the time's come. I must build a new computer and I got my sights on a 7800x3d. What kind of RAM should it go with? I've always been an Intel person, so I have not much of an idea on motherboard models and the like, as well.
>>102034899Shader compilationCan't avoid it unless the game has a comprehensive precompilation step
>>102034899unreal/dx12 shader being compiled
>>102034900DDR5-6000 CL30 is the sweepspot.
>>102034900HWunboxed recommends the Asrock B650M-HDV/M.2 as the go to budget board but honestly the 7800X3D will run well on anything because it uses so little energy.as for ram 6000CL30 is what's recommended, don't forget to enable expo in the bios.
>>102034940>>102034918Any suggestions for the RAM's brand?Also, on the Mobo's model, I'm not sure if Asrock is the right option for my GPU, as I'm burdened with a 4090 that might require a better board. Not sure.
>>102031434neither can 4090/4080 without dlss kek
>>102035047yeahbut dlss is so good quality in most situations people dont mindThen again no one should be buying 4k monitors for gaming, even if you own 4090 its better to go for 360hz 1440p oled and enable RT
>>102030990I have waited for 2 years for the 7900XTX to drop to a reasonable price like $800, but it hasn't happened. I don’t care; I’m going to buy the 8800XT when it comes out this year, and that will be the end of it. No more Just Wait®.
>>102034899if its not shaders compiling then its usually bad programming.for example, ffxvi demo will not delete its shader cache if its corrupted or you change drivers. so next time you load the game its going to stutter like hell until you manually delete the cache.
>>102034863B650 Steel Legend
has anyone ever actually tried to use semen as thermal paste?I've heard about the joke a million times, but not once have I seen someone try and test it
>>102035093honeywell phase change pads prob work better so why bother
>>102034988g.skill is solid
>>102035104Thank you, Anon.
>2 years worth of waiting for 5% gainAmd is literally repeating what Intel did during skylake
Any opinions on this brand? It seems to have all the features I want but I'm not at all familiar with the brand. It's just going to be a secondary monitor so I'm not looking for anything amazing.https://www.amazon.com/SANSUI-FreeSync%E4%B8%A82-1-4%E4%B8%A8IPS%E4%B8%A8Blacklevel-Adjust%E4%B8%A8VESA-ES-G27F2/dp/B0CRHC3QSL/
>>102034626>rt>picrel>>102034618with ai, 32gb is skimpy. with blender, 64 might be skimpy, but I'm glad to have it.
feels a bit expensive but I wanna invest on a long lasting gaming pc that I can use for 5+ yearsor are there cheaper alternativeshttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/GrZhVW
>>102035258Apparently, to achieve an uplift software will need to be optimized for 9k.
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>>102035258Im kinda confused since they upped the node to tsmc 4nm from mixed tsmc 5nm and 6nm nodesyou'd think they get some free perf per watt from that
>>102035350>All the uplift for zen5 is because of tsmc. >AMD is just and paste zen4 and change the power profile and call it a dayYep sounds about right.
>>102035258A cometlake style 10-core ccx zen4 refresh with 40mb of base L3 (extendable to 120mb) would have been better
>>102034357>>102034366If they did then those same tasks would affect other CPUs in the same way, so no.
>>102035305You don't want 1080p stretched across a 27" panel. It'll look like shit.Instead splurge another $20 for this 1440p IPS model:https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CY79PH3C?psc=1"Only" 100Hz but as this is a secondary monitor, right-sizing the resolution and pixel density is far more important.
>>102035258QRD on the latest AMD cpus? did they fuck up?
>>102035394That's too much work for AMD.
>>102035446Gains are reliant on a w11 update that hasnt been rolled out. Once out expect to see about a ~11% uplift across zen 3-5 platforms.
>>102035446theres some benchmark weirdness going on with the power profile of the chips and branch prediction thats impacted by the OS
>>102035432I already have a 27" 1080p as my primary and I want to keep it that way for vidya performance.
>>102035258Way worse than Intel. Even during the worse uplift it was about 8% but you need to remember Intel releases a new CPU every year while AMD does it every two years
>>102035446Spent 2 years doing nuffin
>>102035446marketing promised higher increases than was found by doing the following:use Windows dev branch (not available to general users)admin account (full privileges to everything)running competitor at baseline profile, ddr5-6000
>>102031030any amd or intel gpu is miles better than any nvidia for linux desktop usage>t. linux fag
>>102035481>but you need to remember Intel releases a new CPU every year while AMD does it every two yearsThis is an important point. For all the shit Intel got during those days (rightfully deserved) for switching sockets or chipsets every gen, you could count on at least a 15-20% total compounded performance improvement every two years due to their Annual Tick Tock Cadence of Die Shrink --> New Arc --> Die Shrink --> New Arc --> Rinse RepeatAMD is slow to deliver and came empty handed this time.
>>102031030Most people are running fucked up monitor timings or calibration settings which is affecting their overall experience ranging from VRR, colors, brightness, etc.
>>102035455what if i don't want to run w11
>>102035446>>102035481its partially a scheduling issue as seen in the uplift in Linux but I think the anon that surmised that they tried to get the IF to work reliably at 2400mhz and failed hit the nail on the head because it really seems like they beefed up the architecture significantly but they can't get it to breathe because the IF is stuck at 2000mhz.the 9800X3D is probably going to be a monster, not the least because they've moved the vcache underneath the CCD so it no longer is going to get roasted and can run at regular speeds but also because they made the bottleneck that saw the huge gains in the 7800X3D worse.
9800x3d WHEN
>>102035747next year
>>102035747march? april?
>>102031030Fans hardly matter for noise or lifetime if they are slowed down.The biggest differences come with full speed operation but most fans are noisy regardlessAirflow and static pressure are a different discussion but there is only so much that can be squeezed out an axial design and diminishing returns hit pretty soon.
>>102035350N5, N4, and its variants are not particularly different.
have the sinkclose microcode updates been released yet?
>>102035704You say all of this but the performance gain on the other models is shit.
>>102035697We dunno if they'll release an update for 10, they probably will later.
Ryzen 9000 is great for people with actual jobs, gamers are just mad they weren't catered to.AMD literally told them to wait for X3D instead or just upgrade their GPU (reminder: gaming is more GPU intensive) but they didn't and instead whined as loud as possible like the niggerfaggots they are
>>102035889if base 9000 is underwhelming the 3D models will just be underwhelmingX-3D no?
>>1020359269000x3d will get a 40% uplift compared to 7000x3d
>>10203596460% even
>>102035926Nah, this guy has a good bead on things >>102035704. The cache is more performant on Zen 5, it's just that infinity fabric is too slow. Making the cache bigger might actually show some gains for once.
are any 4:3 or 16:10 (or similar aspect ratio) monitors on sale that DON'T have some horrific dealbreaking downside?budget not withstanding
>>102036000>jj-just trust me bro. x3d version wont be a flop
inb4 the supposed windows update does no uplift
>>102036000i wouldn't expect a miracle
>>102036030It's normal 4chan etiquette to post a frog/wojak when you have nothing to say and greentext shitpost.
>>102036058>frog
So when should we expect Intlel to make a good GPU? I want lots of VRAM for cheap while also being able to play stuff decently.
>>102036047the update will make amd run all games in kernel mode with the down side being more vulnerabilities
>>102035889>AMD meant for the CPUs to be shit>they are purposely made unappealing to gaymersWhat kind of cope is this?
>>102035889AMDelusional
>>102034388Looking at it more seems like it is best for me to stay at 1440p but I still want to try an oled how much better is the text clarity on gen 3 qd-oleds? I could not stand the fringing on the gen 1 panel I looked at. For woled the XG27AQDMG seems like the best option currently. The upcoming PG27AQDP uses the new subpixel layout and should actually have good text but $1000 for 27" 1440p is real steep.
how are tech reviewers taking this news about the recent ryzen? they usually fellate and shill AMD whenever possible so are they downplaying this?
>>102036160Why do you come here to act like a gossip? gb2/v/
>>102036160if anything they've been a bit shitty about it>ONLY 5%?
>>102036160amdunbox losing itdrama nexus in disbelieflinus cuck tips giving blow jobs
>>102036082they made youtubers run their machines signed as administrator as a fix...
>>102036186Based amd singlehandedly destroying the psyche of techtubers within 2 weeks
>>102036188(which btw fixed nothing because the "uplift" was the same across al CPUs)
>>102036082>down side being more vulnerabilitiesdurgahole exploit when
>>102036229
>>102036174cause it's fun and i want to talk shit
>>102030990got me that cheap 110$ 7600 ES. I think I did good bros
>>102036072It's kind of hard to tell from following their Linux drivers. Intel is throwing out the core of their driver (called i915) and replacing it with a new driver (called Xe, which makes googling for this difficult because "Xe driver" tells google to give you articles from two years ago talking about Intel GPU drivers being bad). The new Xe driver is intended primarily for the new Battlemage cards, and apparently Battlemage won't support or at even work with the old i915 driver, you have to use Xe. Xe doesn't work that well with the current Alchemist cards, it seems Intel plans on never fully getting the Alchemist cards to work with the new driver.As much as is possible, GPU manufacturers don't make separate drivers for Windows vs Linux, under the hood they mostly function the same. So Intel is for sure doing the same process with Windows drivers, it's just that they aren't publicly talking about it like they are in Linux. Intel has talked about how the Xe driver actually keeps more GPU processing INSIDE the GPU for Battlemage, for Alchemist one of the main driver problems was that the GPU keeps nagging the CPU to help it do some calculations. This is one of the reasons Alchemist runs way worse than you'd think given the GPU die space and supporting hardware like the RAM.The first Battlemage product will be Intel's Lunar Lake, though only an iGPU, we'll have to see how it and its drivers perform when that comes out.
>>102036280your motherboard cost more than your cpu
>>102036160>directionbrainThey call good good and shit shit. This is shit, they call it shit.
>>102036325its around the same. b650m pg lightning is 110$ on amazon right now. three nvme slots and a 4th one can be had using the second pcie slot.vrm is a bit anemic, its a 3x2 on Vcore, but I only plan to use single ccd chips anyway ;)
>>102035065>Then again no one should be buying 4k monitors for gamingAlways better to run the highest resolution possible with DLSS. Costs the same as lower resolutions and looks better
>>102036344This retard got shamed out of using TAA and thinks we're not going to notice DLAA, as though that isn't worse.
>>102036216actually, it only has an uplift on Zen3, Zen4 and Zen5, I don't think Intel CPUs are affected at all. Besides that bug is only like 2% difference vs the 10% uplift from Zen4 to Zen5 in Linux.Windows scheduler is fucked but its only a tiny part of the problem with Zen5.
>>102035889this post mindbroke the intelnigger
is this just a big chungus general? more itx please
now gonna get me that 24H2 thing, built an iso via uupdump
>>102033946>5070 with at least 16gb vram and with a msrp of less than $550
>>102036388>itx case>18.25 Litersyou can get a matx case that's smaller than that overrated garbage
>>102036438could they fit a 4090? thought not
Any good for the 7800x3d? "ASRock X670E PG Lightning"Will probably switch to a 9800x3d when it's released. Please advice.
>>102036497its fine.
any real downsides of the MSI PRO B550-VC over the MSI PRO B550M-VC?no wifi or bluetooth shit and is cheaper, seems like a better option to me
>>102036367Really is opposite day for retards, isn't it? The fact is I constantly shame retarded Radeonfriends like you for calling TAA native (and guess what, TAA is better than native, aka no AA). Even DLSS is usually better than or equivalent to TAA >>102032094, to say nothing of how good DLAA is, which is the pinnacle of AA methods at the moment.FSR of course is below even TAA
>>102036497Asrock/gigabyte are safe picks
>>102036392it's pretty nice
>>102036513>and guess what, TAA is better than native, aka no AANo it isn't. TAA isn't AA, btw, Aliasing is defined as when a signal is displayed incorrectly not because of a bug or error, but because of a limitation of the technology. Anti-Aliasing is when incorrect information is deleted from the image and correct information is inserted, the limitation of real AA being that it might not delete all the incorrect information.You are posting bullshit like TAA, DLAA, and DLSS, NONE of which are anti-aliasing technologies. They all guess what is and isn't an alias and then replace it with whatever they think is correct, meaning they not only delete incorrect information, they also delete correct information and then insert incorrect information. That's why both sides of >>102036344 look bad. MSAA and SSAA are the real AA technologies, because they only improve the image and not one pixel they change was an incorrect change.I have no idea how you haven't been range banned yet, all you do is shitpost, you're immediately visible and all you do is push consistent lies because of your shitty brand loyalty.
>>102036465NR200>ITX mobo>18.25L>334x160mmMechanic Master C28>Matx mobo>17.9L>335x162mm GPUI win the argument.
>>102035388If it was just a copy and paste of Zen4, then it wouldn't have such terrible cross-CCD latencies.
>>102036628>latency worse than intel p-e coresamdover
>>102036598>TAA isn't AA>temporal anti aliasing isn't anti aliasingYou're retarded, enough said
>>102036649>temporal anti aliasing isn't anti aliasing>posts a picture showing TAA creating aliasingThe offices behind the glass and Fuyutsuki sign on the top is entirely smeared out of existence. It doesn't do that if you turn TAA off. There are similar errors all over that screenshot created by TAA, like the deleted white parking lines and all of the text on that circular sign being turned into a blob.
>>102036598as much as I dislike rabid nvidia fanboy over there, we can't live without TAA anymore in modern enginesI honestly run FSR only because it removes the smear. And it looks better than native that way, it's stupid. Thankfully they started adding FSR native options now aka DLAA bullshit marketing nvidia uses. It's all same thing.One thing I don't know yet, if 4k helps with TAA. In theory it shouldn't be as blurry.
>>102036726>It doesn't do that if you turn TAA offyes, but it creates all sorts of problems in other areas, way worse problems, I tried running 2077 without it, its clean sure, but any reflection or shiny surface is terrible
>>102036726You really are delusionalhttps://youtu.be/WG8w9Yg5B3g?si=YbVjOcxjhUlMhzRS&t=1046I'm sure you play all your games native. The fact is that you're too stupid to know you're looking at TAA most of the time
>>102036740>as much as I dislike rabid nvidia fanboy over there, we can't live without TAA anymore in modern enginesTAA looks worse than no AA. It smudges everything just like FXAA because it's literally the same thing except with a supposed temporal gatekeeper that's supposed to prevent FXAA's most egregious errors. It mostly does not, the frame still mostly looks like FXAA. On top of that, it's temporal, meaning it creates ghosting everywhere that you have to turn off in the game's .ini file or something half of the time.
>>102036740>It's all same thing.This is what retarded poorfags think. FSR Native is the same ugly reconstruction as any of the other FSR modes
>>102036762>The fact is that you're too stupid to know you're looking at TAA most of the timeNo I'm not, you're an idiot who insists we play games with awful visual quality like you do because of your brand loyalty.The christmas lights in your link look wrong, btw. For instance the street banner is supposed to blink on and then blink off, with TAA enabled it fades in and out incorrectly. It also for sure looks wrong in motion, you can see Spiderman and the pedestrians are blurred on the edges when they move, there's no chance the trees and lights look correct when Spiderman or the camera moves. Your example video is avoiding that.
MSI Cyborg 15 A12V for $800 dollars new, is it worth it? My other options are an Acer Nitro 5 and a Lenovo LOQ, but those come with the 12500 and 12450, which are 4 cores, and the Cyborg comes with a 12650h with 6 cores, I will be using it for audio production, mainly Pro tools and some casual gaming.
>FSR slower than Xess on amd hardwaredoes anyone care about software at amd?
>>102036766all true, but at the same time it's integral aprts of 80% of the effects devs usefor example if you disable TAA in RDR2 trees look naked in the distance, again it's stupid but that's what it isI have ways to fight it on AMD side, image sharpening in driver and FSR at 100% resolution in game. RSR also helps if FSR not supported, you drop in game resolution 5% down and it activates, still cleaner than native.>>102036780why did you post balanced comparisons then eh?
>>102036841have you even tried xess? it ghosts like crazy
>>102036512
>>102036547heh, looks good to me ye
>>102036827Don't you have an overnight shift a McDonald's to drag yourself to? It's time for my beauty sleep>The in-game TAA solution has very poor rendering of small object detail—thin steel objects and power lines, tree leaves, and vegetation in general. The in-game TAA solution also has shimmering issues on the whole image, even when standing still, and it is especially visible at lower resolutions such as 1080p, for example. All of these issues with the in-game TAA solution are resolved when DLAA, DLSS or XeSS are enabled, due to the better quality of their built-in anti-aliasing solution. Also, the sharpening filters in the DLAA, DLSS and XeSS render path can help to improve overall image quality. With DLSS and XeSS you can expect an improved level of detail rendered in vegetation and tree leaves in comparison to the in-game TAA solution. Small details in the distance, such as wires or thin steel objects, are rendered more correctly and completely in all Quality modes. With DLAA enabled, the overall image quality improvement goes even higher, rendering additional details, such as higher fidelity hair for example, compared to the in-game TAA solution, DLSS and XeSS. Also, both DLSS 3.1 and XeSS 1.1 handle ghosting quite well, even at extreme angles.https://www.techpowerup.com/review/cyberpunk-2077-xess-1-1-vs-fsr-2-1-vs-dlss-3-comparison/>>102036866>why did you post balancedBecause no one bothers even looking at the garbage that is FSR Native>>102036877Depends on the game; usually it's better than FSR.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giBaJIOyIsI
>>102036512The former is ATX sized which is GucciThe latter is mATX which sucks for a DIY build
>>102036901 (me)I just want to highlight>All of these issues with the in-game TAA solution are resolved when DLAA, DLSS or XeSS are enabled, due to the better quality of their built-in anti-aliasing solutionagain for the retard who said TAA, DLSS, and DLAA aren't AAAnd with that, I bid you goodnight. Radeonfriends, sleep tight. Don't let the bed bugs bite
>>102036901>Don't you have an overnight shift a McDonald's to drag yourself to? It's time for my beauty sleepYou aren't fooling anyone, this is that kind of projection that you can tell really applies to you. You're habitually posting links and screenshots of bullshit lies for a brand that only you care about. You're a loser. Nice greentext, as usual it does fuck all to talk about what real image quality looks like and you just posted it because you're hoping we're all going to be scared to challenge you on the basis that our eyeballs can't see the aliasing you so love.
>>102036840pls respond
>>102030990ryuuko is a good fap
anyone wanna help an oldfag make something new? My last build was back when the i7 4770k was hot shit lmao -- hoping to make this new machine last a similar time framehttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/NHnYMV
>>102036995Why are you buying a mobo with wifi and also a wifi card? You need two wifi adapters?DDR5 6000 CL30 is best RAM, btw, not CL36.
>>102036956>MSI Cyborg 15 A12VI would get something with a iGPU with better CPU cores if you want music pro toolsdedicated GPU in a laptop is a waste.
>>102036513>native, aka no AANative refers to resolution, as in the game is rendering at the resolution of the screen it is displaying on. It has nothing to do with what AA is or is not in use, you can render at native resolution and use all kinds of AA or none at all. DLAA for instance renders at native resolution and then applies AA too.Also native with no AA on a decently high-DPI screen (4k 27" for instance) looks better than TAA. TAA is just complete trash, it's almost never worth using unless the game has a super shit renderer which breaks when TAA is off.
>>102037031>it's almost never worth using unless the game has a super shit renderer which breaks when TAA is off.99% of games past 2019
>>102036995Do you live near a MicroCenter?
>>102035624This but Linux is also better at games.(Cyberpunk has been about 15% faster on Linux for months now but nobody noticed, kek)
>>102037046>Cyberpunk has been about 15% faster on Linux for months nowwhat about 150 other games? question is consistency across the board, it's like intel GPUs they work only for select few games well
>>102037056Intel GPUs "work" with basically every game. In fact most games that don't work on Arc don't work for reasons entirely unrelated to the card or its drivers. Like that Batman game from a decade ago that just checks the GPU manufacturer and refuses to even launch if it says Intel. You have to hex edit the game's .exe to correct the issue.Likewise, Linux gaming works fine unless it's something like kernel anti-cheat or a game that is both badly programmed and obscure (like Hearts of Iron 3, in my case).
>>10203703699% of the games you play I guess, not me. The only one I remember having that problem was RDR2 many years ago.
The plastic on my AMD wraith stealth cooler looks like it has AIDS. Are there knockoffs of these?
>>102037089fallen order got terrible taa, disabling it makes game look weird, not clean
>>1020370266000 28-36-36-96 is the new best ram for 'zen
>>102037027The fastest processor I find for my budget is the 12700h, and it's just as fast as the 12650h because audio production is mostly single core performance. That's why the Cybrog 15 is my option, it has a better processor even if the 4060 it has is a low tdp one.Am I wrong in believing this?
>>102037026>two wificause I smoke too much weed, and I've looked at too many pc parts recently to keep it all straight lolWhats the diff on CL30 vs CL36? >>102037037no>>102037144why is that?
>>102036616nice case but why be mean to my bro nr200, he's sensitive about his size T_T
>>102037172I don't know, look at specific benchmarks for your tools, if you want to run it autonomously I'd scrap dedicated GPU idea. Look at APUs, I doubt it's more expensive to get an APU laptop with fresher cores than the dGPU one.
>>102037207>Whats the diff on CL30 vs CL36? When the CPU makes a call to the RAM asking the RAM to do something, the RAM will not initially respond. Cas latency is a measure of how long it takes for the RAM to begin responding to the CPU's request. CL30 means that it will take 30 clock cycles before the RAM finally starts working.Imagine you called someone on the phone and want information from them ASAP. RAM speed is how fast the conversation can gets done after the other person has picked up the phone. Latency is how long it takes for the other person to pick up the phone in the first place after you've dialed their number. If you have to make hundreds of phone calls, that delay matters.
>>102037280Checks out, really appreciate the explanation.Is the build lookin half way decent otherwise?
>>102037321Looks fine.
please forgive my amateur question im very unfamiliar with building computers:i have pre built pc with a geforce rtx 2060 that is currently dying, and i'd like to upgrade. is there anything that i need to watch out for when buying a new gpu specifically with regard to compatibility with my current motherboard/cpu? or can i buy any regular old rtx 4070?
When will amd give us more cores
>>102037380First, the new GPU needs to actually fit in the computer. Newer cards are longer and bulkier. When buying a card, it'll list its measurements. You'll need to open the computer and compare the measurements to available space where your current card sits.Secondly, your power supply needs to be capable of actually plugging power cords into the new GPU, and once plugged in its 12V rail needs to be powerful enough to fully power the GPU. You need to check the PSU model you have, you can post it here and we can check.
>>102037403>what the fuck is threadripper
>>102037424thank you>you can post it here and we can check.i will do that tomorrow, or maybe never
>>102037441I think he means at the same price point as yesteryear's models.>>102037403They can't without TSMC's N3, and even then a 16 core CCD is probably some time into the future. I don't think anyone wants Zen 5c 16 core CCDs.
>>102037441is it too much to ask for ryzen 5 to bump up to 8 cores instead
>>102037474>>102037474
>>102037468>They can't without TSMC's N3they absolutely can, N4 Zen4C CCDs are 12 core.>I don't think anyone wants Zen 5c 16 core CCDs.enterprise wants as many cores as AMD can give them, I assume Zen5C will be N3
>>102034215literally me XD
>>102033039Only put in what's necessary. There's many safe guards built into hardware to prevent thermal damage and fire. Stay away from bleeding edge, first revision hardware and you should avoid housefires. The biggest fans you can fit are generally the best option. Most cases work best with intake bottom and front, and output back and top. If you max out number and size of fans you'll probably be able to get your setup as quiet as possible. More surface area of fan blades allows slower speeds, means less noise.There's too many other factors, case size, gpu, etc to make a determination on the part of other anons. You'll have to decide yourself or very specifically detail your setup.
>>102034215i stopped waiting today
Out of these two options which one is less awful for the same price? My budget can't get any higher than that.https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7GCGrvhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/RCR2h3
>>102038226Both have heavy compromises.The am4 board has awful vrm unlikely to run an 8 core and your am5 kit has 8GB dimms which are slower than 16GB sticks due to ddr5 peculiarities
>>102038247And if I switch the AM4 board for a better one?The idea is - cheap AM4 vs absolute poorfaggotry AM5. What makes more sense at the moment?
>>102038294am5 with 2x16 memory kit is the best option
>>102038315I see, but then it goes way over the budget. That's why I don't know whether it's worth it to go for AM5 with this kind of compromises or I should just build more comfortably on AM4 with more RAM or a better motherboard. Probably the latter one if 8Gb DDR5 sticks is such a bad idea.
>>102038522buy used parts or order the 7500f from aliexpress?
>>102038574>7500f from AliexpressGood suggestion, but that's already the plan, same for 5700X, otherwise I'd have to go with 5500 or 5600.Maybe I can find something used tho. Currency is inflating in my shithole, so I think I shouldn't wait with the upgrade.
>>102038699I use AM4 myself and don't feel the need to upgrade
building a computer is a waste, just get an oled steam decktrust me bros
>>102038797Then I'll just build on AM4 if I won't find anything cheaper and figure something out in a few years. Not that I really need constant upgrades - my current stuff is from 2012 and it still sort of runs vidya.