>>102088432
haven't been paying attention. I thought maybe they got their shit together at this point. oh well guess I'm going AMD again

oh man i love overpriced GPUs so much

>>102088448
so what's the alternative to the aforementioned pcie powered gtx 3050 6gb?

RTX 5000 never? All we've got are this dumb """kopite""" niggerball fag who posts cryptic reddit shit and unfounded rumors that get revised every two weeks.
Fuck's sake.

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Monitors suck, OLEDs don't suck but cost too much. But I want OLED, but it's expensive. I can buy it but my consciousness will take a hit for wasting money on a consumable. Dammit.

>>102088470
consumable? what are you eating the fucking thing?

>>102088461
If it doesn't happen early next year, likely end of 2025. GDDR7 is the issue from what I know.
Also get ready for "out of stock" for a year after release. Nvidia doesn't care about gamers anymore.

>>102088451
>RAM consumes fuck all
Then why does PCPP list a DDR5 2x16 kit at 31W?

>>102088470
OLEDs suck beyond the price. Color accuracy is lower than IPS, text clarity is pretty fucking meh and sample and hold is still a pain.

>>102088480
At best I can expect 3-5 years out of OLED before phosphorus starts degrading. But it costs $1200-ish.

>>102088483
Gamers? I just want a card for AI and rendering.
And before you say "just get a $10K workstation card bro", the 4090 beats the 6000 Ada at like half of the benchmarks.

>>102088488
>and sample and hold is still a pain.
what exactly does it do to a picture? I'm not sure I understand the effects.

>>102088488
>Color accuracy is lower than IPS
not really, colorimeters don't lie.

>>102088534
Motion blur

>>102088497
maybe so, but your use case won't force them to make mroe cards instead of datacenter monsters

>>102088569
the degradation meme is true, colors start shifting after a few years of usage. absolute garbage for media consoomers who don't do any color work and just want le deep blacks in their blacked porn.

post qt matx cases

just here to say that i still use my rx570 8gb

me?
1080p 60hz monitor off of ebay.

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>>102088581
Here is what I don't get in these shit benchmarks, nobody shown to me pursuit camera of 240hz/60fps. I understand purist way, but it's unnatinable for majority of cases.
What I do for sanity check is look at UFO tests at 72fps/144hz, and see no damn difference. Is it different for OLEDs?

>>102088606
I believe that, but pros buy new, utterly expensive, IPS monitor every 3 years too for same reason as far as I know.

Seeing that 10gb vram is no longer enough for 1440p+ dlss, I started sweating.Will 12gb save me, or I need to land 16gb?

>>102088631
is that supposed to be impressive? i still have my gtx 760 1gb.

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>>102077347
>whats a good down draft cooler

Thermalright SI-100
Thermalright AXP120-X67

Are there any gpu aibs I should avoid? Zotac/PNY seem to be the most common cheap nvidia card makers.

>>102088716
12gb should be safe for a couple more years

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Thoughts on new peerless assassin 140?

>>102088730
Look at models more than brands. It should be obvious by the heatsink design. Less fins/heat pipes/fans/vrm modules the worse the card is.

>>102088737
OR maybe 10gb can theoretically let me live? 100 euros difference between 3080 and ti

>>102088751
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01jc8CLuRWY

>>102088766
just get a 4070 IMO
most 3080/ti vrms are highly sketchy and would be the first thing to go, not the lack of vram

>>102088763
Heat pipes are hard to see in a lot of the online listings. I've heard things like the ventus/eagle models are shit even with 3 fans.

>>102088730
I'm using a PNY 4060 Ti 16GB rn its great and quiet like any 4060 cuz it doesnt draw so much power but if u get any other higher end card u could just as well look into getting a more reputable brand

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Hello friends,

What's a good 8 pin CPU to 8 pin GPU connector?

>>102088470
Going through the same thing right now. I just want a monitor with good contrast which rules out pretty much all IPS and not horrible viewing angles which is all VA out so OLED is the only real option. Thinking about getting the PG27AQDP since it should have the best text clarity in a 1440p OLED with that new subpixel layout.

>>102088790
4070 is almost twice the price of 3080ti. What about vrms? can you tell more? I see EVGA offers 450w power supply, so vrms seem to be ok. Or maybe I should simply care for temps?

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>CRACK!
that would be $530 saar, glory to intel and israel

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Also on the fence about oled. Sure gaming and watching content is going to be great but what about the rest? Worried about the color fringe thingy

>>102089029
Windows 10 and 11 removed subpixel from a lot of stuff. For the rest you could probably disable it through ClearType settings

>>102088876
>PG27AQDP
Q4, I have an issue with Asus OLEDs, they don't calibrate them well.

>>102088797
you can look up tear down reviews for nearly every gpu out there unless its a super rare limited edition card.

>>102089029
Text fringing is hideous on the earlier QD panels, decent on the gen3 QDs since they changed the subpixels and mostly fine on the new 4k QD. WOLED text has different fringing and is bad in its own way but also greatly improved with a new subpixel layout on the new panels and probably the best for text currently.

>>102088429
>1080p:
So, how shit is the rx 7600 for 1080p?

>>102089259
you can find a 6700xt or 6750xt for same price or cheaper and its faster.

>>102089053
Yeah I would like another brand doing a version with the panel but the only other announced one is the Acer Predator X27U F3 that costs $200 more. A just LG branded one would be nice since it would actually go on sale sometimes.

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For 7600X should I avoid RAM that exceed 6000mhz? Is something like 6400 or 7200 okay?

>>102088470
>It's anon is wracking his head about which monitor to buy that is the best after using LCD panel for the past 15 years with no issues what so ever
>hhmmmm this one ghosts, this one doesn't have as deep and inkly blacks, this one has shitty text, burn in, faulty broken panels in general, expensive, and burn in...back to the drawing board with my LCD 60hz panel
A wise jew once said. It's not that serious.

>>102088880
>What about vrms? can you tell more?
They blow up without warning when running certain software. Look up 3080 amazon new world failures to see what I mean.
Nvidia did the 3080/ti/3090 dirty by using a strange split vcore vrm setup that was used to cut costs on the voltage controller that pretty much didnt have current limiting protection. They later abandoned it with the 3090ti and 4000 series

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlfTHCzBnnQ
We're so back amdbros

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>>102089029
Give oled monitors another year or two. Prices will come down and they will solve problems like textfringing and especially burn-in. Unless your current screen is total dogshite I recommend you wait™

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>>102089386

>>102089454
world may end in two years, better to maxout quality of life for the last days

>>102089332
But I'm going to feel bad wasting $1k, I don't want to feel bad.

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>>102089386
Amd brought finewine(tm) to zen4

>>102089502
20% in survivor eh, cool, maybe windows is the main issue with UE5 games

>>102089326
if you don't know how to set your ram timings manually it is recommended to purchase 6000 ram for am5 systems

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>>102089386
It's so over for Intel holy shit. Also we will get ZEN5 price drops anyways.

This also explains why in old tests Ryzen 7600 and 7700 were beating 13600k then suddenly Intel was above few months later. Microsoft sabotaging AMD.

>>102089454
I would say they are still overpriced but just good enough to be worth getting now if you can handle spending extra but I agree prices will come down and issues will be further fixed on them in the near future. But also I need a new monitor now so I am still considering it.

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>>102089386
>that moment when you bug fix your pajeet software

>>102089386
Fucking Windows holy shit.

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This may be a dumb question but I am going to ask it anyway.

Why do we have oled monitors only fairly recently while we have had oled tv screens for much longer?

>>102089536
>This also explains why in old tests Ryzen 7600 and 7700 were beating 13600k then suddenly Intel was above few months later. Microsoft sabotaging AMD.
It never really made sense to me why zen4 was performing at the level of alderlake instead of raptorlake when they have much larger and faster L3 caches
I guess this explains why

>>102089300
7600 starts at €250 for me, 6750xt is the next cheapest card of those you listed at €320. So not really cheaper or same price unfortunately.

>>102089386
What are youtubers gonna say now

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Does anyone have any clue why I can't see my voltage in MSI Afterburner but I can in HWiNFO? I wanted to undervolt my GPU but this is really annoying. And yes, I did enable voltage monitoring in settings for MSI and restarted.

>>102089583
Alder lake was basically Zen3 that could clock higher, the 12400 and 5600 are functionally identical in ipc and clockspeed.

>>102089599
More justified shitting on Windows. Seriously W11 is a fucking disaster.

Also ZEN5 is still not a part for gamers and AMD was stupid to advertise it as such.

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I have spent so fucking much time before my 50" 4k sony bravia that cannot return to 27" 1440p display now.

>>102089597
then you're stuck with the 7600.

>>102089606
try different options in settings not just "standard msi"
if it comes down to it you have to modify the config file and input your voltage controller

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>>102089583
This was the original 13600k review. Microsoft 100% did this on purpose to help Intel. But now that Intel is getting fucked from every direction they gave in.

>>102089606
u have to enable voltage monitoring or something like that in afterburner settings

>>102089606
Go find your install folder, go to Profiles, and add VDDC_Generic_Detection=1 to it. Use Notepad++ in Administrator mode.

>>102088825
THAT IS NOT A THING

Don't even try it

You will fry your system & set fire to your house

>>102089673
HUB swaps out the games they test over time which will scramble the ranks when they're all within 2% of each other
5800x3d went from faster than 12900K a couple years ago to 12700K performance recently as well

>>102089597
I would rather get a 4060 instead if i had to choose between the two since you get nvidia features. Or you could get a used rdna 2 card at that price which will give you more vram and performance. Honestly you can get away with 1440p on those cards easily especially if you lower a few settings and use upscalers, 1080p is an outdated resolution, you can use dlss on balanced or performance and it will give you more frames and a better image on 1440p than a native 1080p image.

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>>102089664
Nope, I did try that.
>>102089679
Read slower next time.
>>102089697
Thanks, that worked, but I still can't monitor voltage for some strange reason.

>>102089719
I'd agree if not for their new data with 40 games. Even they could hardly believe it.

>>102089729
Check at the bottom, it should be there. I ran into the same issue as you so I know what I'm talking about.

>>102089564
mass production got cheaper and refined
4k 65" PPI is about 67, while 4k 32" PPI is 140.
You have to print OLED pixel in that small of a scale compared to TV and make no errors. OLED PIxel consists of 4 different LEDs on LG side and RBG LEDs on Samsung, so it took them a while to master.

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>>102089746
Okay, it was there. Thanks a lot for the straightforward help anon, even if it was off-topic.

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>>102089706
What do you mean?
It's meant for Pascal cards and it came with an 8 pin CPU to dual 6 pin GPU cable.
There's no reason a single 8 pin GPU cable wouldn't exist.

>>102089784
Every PSU routs it's wires differently. if you use cable from a different PSU on yours it will fry your GPU or whole system.

>>102089784
what is the point. Your psu already has like 4 pcie 8-pins

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>>102089797
But the 8 pin CPU and 8 pin GPU connectors are standardized in keying and power.
It shouldn't matter where the cable is from.

>>102089803
Mine doesn't.
It's a board specific model with three 8 pin CPU power outputs.

>>102089851
google 8 pin eps to 8 pin pcie adapter
if it doesn't exist buy a 6pin to 8pin adapter and twist the wires together
the pinouts are readily available

>>102089723
> 4060 instead if i had to choose between the two since you get nvidia features
Yeah, like VRAM overflow that disables frame generation and DLSS, insane feature
> Honestly you can get away with 1440p on those cards easily
>4060
wtf

>>102089851
>It shouldn't matter where the cable is from.
I thought so too, but on PSU end it's a bit more complicated. There are horror stories around, look it up.

>>102089893
they would connect the adapter straught to the cpu8pin not the psu modular hole

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>>102089386
I don't want to use W11.

>>102089977
the performance was fine on linux and win10

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>>102089977
I don't want to use Windows 10

Do you guys watch movies on your monitor? What's the comfiest way to do that? I'm planning to buying a gas spring monitor arm, so I rotate it between my desk and my couch, just not sure how retarded is that.

I am building a new SFF PC and could use some help: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3pGPjH

The use case is playing the newest games on settings as high as possible (disregarding Ray Tracing), while trying to keep it budget friendly and transportable.
Transportable so i can easily move it between the office (2K monitor) and the living room (4K TV).

My budget is around 2.700 USD (18.000 DKK) and i live and buy parts in Denmark.

The only thing i am seemingly missing is the monitor. I have looked up the 2 being recommended, but they seem kinda meh given that i can get a Samsung Odyssey G5 C34G55TWW for the same price.
What makes these monitors extra good?
And is the Lian Li PSU good enough for this build?

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>>102090025
Like this, that is why I am not fat afte spending 16h a day for 20 years in front of a PC.

>>102090043
>miniitx
>high end cpu + gpu
don't, you better off streaming from your office to the living room

>>102090057
This must be extremely uncomfortable to watch movies, unless you can bend your chair backwards.

>>102090025
>so I rotate it between my desk and my couch
You won't. You'll figure out quickly that watching movies close to your screen is more immersive than watching from the couch. Just don't skimp on a good chair

>>102090043
>white cooler
>black mobo
>black gpu
>white PSI
>white case
Sorry, I'm not into race mixing.

>>102089386
https://youtu.be/BCMZdQFtGZc?si=Eo0bv2ZT7shslV5D
>Drops a video literally 16 hours ago
>suddenly all the markettubers dropping news
You can't make this shit up lmao, how lazy

>>102090085
Trains your core. And after doing it for years, everything is comfortable for you.

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>>102088429
I hope you don't forget to add freeze resistance to your PCs

>>102090090
This. Nobody understands it. It's the cinema experience if you sit close enough, it fills your whole field of view.

>>102090090
The couch and my desk are basically next to each other, so I only need to rotate the monitor by 45 degrees, so the distance between me and the monitor is almost the same as I use it on the desk, except I can get comfy in the couch.

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>>102090097
Why not throw some noctua parts in there for those delicious brown shades
>Ugh. Looks like old 70's plastic

>>102090122
I remember the days when we used to have cold winters, and my internet would freeze, shit used to suck, now thanks to global warming is no longer an issue

>>102090068
Why not build high end in ITX?
The case is bigger than usual ITX and supports decent air flow

>>102090136
I get that. But sitting at a desk you are more 'alert'. Also easy you have a mouse and keyboard at your fingertips to quickly pause that movie and look up 'who's that actor again'.

It's difficult to explain. Sure, watching a movie on the couch is fine when you're with your gf and the movie is more like a background thingy. But when I am alone, sitting at my desk close to the screen is the best experience if I want to take in all the details

>>102089386
Alder/Raptor Lake comparison?

>>102090178
The fact that it's bigger than usual itx doesn't automatically makes it have the optimal airflow.
I'd understand if it's some 65W CPU + midrange GPU, but highend? Big no, at least for me.

>>102090005
>and win10
it's not, it's even worse, w10 scheduler is 4 years old, they didn't update the thing for ages

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good morning, I hate unreal engine

>>102090253
I was literally about to post this

>>102089386
What about Win 10?
Are there any comparisons with Win 10 included?

>>102090253
What the fuck, I don't want to use non-LTSC 11...

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>>102088429
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/GfVWxH

How long should the assembly of all the components take assuming nothing goes wrong, from start to boot? I already read all the manuals and documentation. Pic unrelated.

>>102090298
15 to 30 minutes
but you should connect the psu cpu and ram and see if it works before putting it in the case

>>102090253
>I hate unreal engine
shouldn't you hate microsoft? it's apparently their fault things don't work as intended, UE maths seems to be correct

>>102090298
First build? 1-2 hours.

>>102090314
Oh, that's way faster than I thought.
>but you should connect the psu cpu and ram and see if it works
How do I boot it with nothing else though? I assume you mean connecting the motherboard with only the cpu and ram to the psu.

>>102090298
>>102090314 for first time triple it. I built 4 PCs and I take my time, haste makes waste or so they say.

>>102090269
It works on LTSC just make sure you have the latest windows update for it

>>102090349
instead of reading manuals find a PC building video, a really long one, and watch it with attention, better two videos

>>102090298
>How long should the assembly of all the components take assuming nothing goes wrong
Take your time. Make sure you have space to work. It doesn't has to be a 'task' you know. Enjoy something you are putting together yourself

>>102090298
a few hours for a beginner

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>>102090378
Make sure you're using Windows 11 24H2 gamers. The performance improvements are massive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlfTHCzBnnQ

>>102090396
linux mint 22 is twice the number

Now that latest Windows versions are in-vogue, does anyone have experience in modded Windows, such as Ameliorated 11, AtlasOS, Revision, using Ansible-like playbooks?
https://docs.ameliorated.io/playbooks.html
https://ameliorated.io/
https://atlasos.net/

>>102090371
>LTSC
a scam, make your personal unattend.xml installer

>>102090451
ltsc iot enterprise gets 10 years of update support, not a scam. home/pro is a scam where you only get 4-5 years.

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He bought?

>>102090396
>Make sure you're using Windows 11 24H2 gamers
isn't the official release in 1-2 months?

>>102090484
Dump it

>>102090489
I'm using w11 ltsc and have it, but yeah probably

>>102090489
its already "officially released". oem laptops have been shipping it since june. amd/nvidia/intel already released their drivers for chipset/gpu/bios/etc.

>>102090456
so? you get a free move on to another version and fix it yourself
>>102090418
https://youtu.be/WyLiJl-NQU8
make your own personal install and keep what you need and don't need

>>102090489
If everything goes right, Arrow Lake-S/Blackwell with the latest and greatest Windows 11 should be bigly revolutionary.

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>>102090496
Not before I pump it.

>>102090532
I think you mean Bartlett Lake-S/Blackwell.

>>102090537
why did u buy this

>>102090566
That double precision.

>>102090489
its already available in the insiders update channel

Is 500 aud too much to spend on a 232$ 5700x3d mitx mobo and 64gb of gook ram on ali

>>102090587
with all the bugs, I'd wait

>>102090593
yes

>>102090593
depends on the store, is rating at least 80%? don't get scammed

>>102090560
>Bartlett Lake-S
Dumb old architecture, enjoy your housefire

>>102090625
Enjoy your estrogen cores.

>>102090197
He tested 4 games towards the end
The 14600k was 25% faster in gears 5 but performed the same in the remaining 3 despite the 9700x performing faster in all 3 of them

>>102090515
this creates mustard gas and unrecoverable disms.

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>>102090484
I sometimes wonder how far do you have to go as a moral obligation until you reach the line where it falls to the other person to do his own due diligence.

>>102090335
>>102090350
Ah, I see.
>>102090375
I already watched four long ones, but I don't recall the "testing the cpu and ram work without anything else" step.

>>102090668
>but I don't recall the "testing the cpu and ram work without anything else" step.
personally never done it, so what if you have to pull it out, better than messing up on "open bench" setup

>>102090651
he is going to blame you. 100%.

>>102090651
>oxidation issues
>microcode issues
>multiple cpus on hand to diagnose a broken $700 motherboard
life is hard as an intel warrior

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>just download more fps

>>102090693
I'll skip then, thanks.

>>102090650
>and unrecoverable disms
what?

>>102090757
>*doesn't apply to intel for the most part
goddamn, i'd be feeling pretty bad if I had a 13th or 14th gen cpu now
not only did you have the stability fiasco and rma issues with intel, your cpu is now less competitive than old amd cpus which will undoubtedly affect the resale value

>caring about muh fps
the absolute state of this thread

>>102090779
if windows bricks anything it cant be fixed except by format or in-place upgrade.

>>102088266
Okay so I've tried it and I can't even log into Windows with Power Down Mode disabled, it crashes really hard. It seems to work fine when enabled, the boot is still fairly long at 40 seconds but I guess that's an improvement. I'm also on the latest BIOS.

>>102090784
We need the eternal 5800x3d tested on the insider build to see if that gets a boost. If it does that would make it a laughably monstrous cpu, shitting on 3 entire generations of intel parts.

>>102090797
>nyoooooo don't get the performance you paid for
the absolute state of the cuckolded mind

>>102090797
Huge numbers make my e-peen look bigger.

>>102090818
All Zen3,zen4,zen5 CPUs get a boost. How much varies on the application, at best it's no more than 3-5%. At worst it's same perf.

>>102090824
ok manchild, there more factors to consider in a CPU's performance other than muh fps but whatever you say

>>102090805
I mean, if windows doens't boot, I always format, last time happened to me like 15 years back
I don't trust repair functions, something went fundamentally wrong if that happens

>>102090841
>at best it's no more than 3-5%
Going to provide a source to back this up?

>>102090841
At best, it's 30-35%
>>102089471
>>102089502

>>102090841
ir is clearly not 5% frm screenshots above

>>102090851
>techlet not able to comprehend that optimizations translate into more than fps benchmarks
many such cases

>>102090863
>>102090873
>>102090869
At 1080p in garbage unreal engine Fortnite DX11 & Queers of War
People are playing at 1440p and 4k in real games on DX12

>>102090894
>STOP THE COUNT!

Is this Win11 losing performance vs Win10 and bringing it back, or is it entirely new performance unlocked?

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>>102090894
holy fucking shit the cope no way, just admit it is over intelanon

>>102090903
You get the same perf in older windows by doing a VBS trick on reddit

>>102090915
even intel got drastic gains off w11 vs w10
and (some) improvements off 24h2
amd won though kek

>>102090929
source?

So is the the battlemage coming out anytime soon.

>>102090941
https://imgur.com/a/win-11-22h2-23h2-cpu-performance-fix-bnsoul-spain-cxztk1L

>>102090951
>23h2
we 24h2 performance updoots now lil bro, this just came out this week

>>102090943
likely, intel partnered with Ubi for new AC Shadows CPU and GPU, so who knows

>>102090741
>multiple broken CPU's to diagnose a perfectly fine motherboard more like

>>102090972
ESL

>>102090993
why do ESLs call natives playing with words the ESL? Truly a mystery.

>>102090993
>be wrong
>ESL
kek

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>>102090318
Two games with the game forced on E cores to test threading. Look at Hogwarts core utilization. It isn't all necessarily due to UE, but Epic has said they're working on better parallelizing UE5.

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>>102090894
We are reaching new levels of cope never seen before

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>>102091013
>>102091019

>>102090651
>use contact frame
>don't try for retard high speed ram and only use 2 sticks
>use latest bios
>spend 10 minutes doing a negative 0.55 voltage offset and setting the all core max boost to 5.5p/4.2e (which will get you ~39k in C23 and only use 240w, with zero downside in gaming)
wa la, you have completely all issues with a 14900k

>>102090613
K
>>102090623
97.3%

Why don't you just buy an Xbox like any normal person?

>>102091127
i unironically did all of that except the 200mhz downclock and my 13900ks still degraded
the issue is beyond pebkac

>>102091217
>buy xbox
>clock capacitor leaks and kills motherboard
>buy xbox 360
>red ring of death
never again

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Day 508 of waiting for next-gen GPUs

>>102091248
gave up on battlemage?

Lol intel aging like milk
Might get a used 7600x off ali and start my am5 build kek
T. 136k

>>102091264
Intel has become the new Radeon

>>102091243
Very rare cases, but at least you can run every game as intended by the devs.
>no hassle choosing OS and tweaking it
>it just fucking works
>no shader cache stutter
>4k/60fps
>it just works

Does that guy who preordered and paid $900 for the 13900KS still post here? I remember him saying I was poor for buying a 7800x3d

VINDICATION

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>>102091217
b-but I did anon

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What's a good latency value to have on your system?

>>102091289
>FSR
>4k 60fps
lmao, no

>>102091322
Literally no difference + less power consumption not rendering in 4K. You can't win this argument.

>>102091318
if you care about latency then stop using windows and switch to linux. dwm already introduces huge latency that latmon doesnt pick up but games will since it engages during non flip present.

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>>102091345

>>102091345
>literally no difference
lmao, no

>>102091357
I don't really, it's one of those things I've been told you need to fell for it to bother you. Just wanted some opinions based on the values I scored.
>then stop using windows
Not happening.
>dwm already introduces huge latency that latmon doesnt pick up but games will since it engages during non flip present.
Isn't that something you can disable?

>>102090784
It was always extremely suspicious that 14900k managed to get within 1% of 7800x3d.

>>102088429
>computer was shutting off randomly
>ran checkdisk found error on E thought it was that
>still having issues memory diagnostic had problems thought it was bad ram writing errors on hd
>put in new ram
>still having problems, bios told me a cpu fan has failed
>figured ok its the liquid cooling that failed, order new heatsink
>uninstalling old heatsink
>see capacitor leaking near CPU FAN 4pin connector to mb
well thats not good
>heatsink liquid cooler screw is stripped cant get it out easily thats mounted to front panel of pc
>take it halfway out via twisting and leave the mounting plate attached to front with now super fucked up screw, take out heatsink
>accidentally bend 4 pins near edge of motherboard and break off plastic tab while yanking out heatsink
whatever I just wont use RGB i have another slot for the cpu fan anyways
>install new heatsink and fan
>plug power back in
>press on button
no power

well fuck.

>>102091257
What? I'm not the monkey guy, I'm the jewfographic guy. It's just I recently played a game with a character I really want to breed.

>>102091403
your values mean nothing as nothing is open. you only feel latency when your cpu/gpu are actually doing work.

if you disable dwm then you get lower latency but create even more issues since wddm was designed with dwm in mind.

>>102091378
>>102091379
Yes, I'm used to this reaction. Tell me the difference between native and upscaled 4K on a 85" flat screen across the room, bro.

>>102091413
nvm im dumb
i dc'd a 2pin power thing on motherboard to front panel and forgot to plug it back in.
i also bent those pins so lets see if I can bend them back and not break them

>>102091487
you disconnected your power button and the pc didn't turn on when you pressed the button

Not looking for something for gayming specifically
I currently have a somewhat newer laptop with a 7840U. It's probably more than powerful enough for what I do on that shit but I realized that 98% of the time I'm just using it at home and someone else needs it.
Are those miniPCs worth a shit nowadays? Or do you think it's possible to do something better with a miniITX build? I'm not concerned about power consumption much, but about heat, noise and size.

>>102091127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgoYUtcnivc

>>102091572
>I'm not concerned about power consumption much, but about heat
Where do you think the power goes?

>>102091572
I used to have an 8th and 10th gen Intel NUC, I really liked them. They consume as much as notebooks, fan noise is the same, as they use notebook fans, but if you turn off SpeedStep and put it on ECO mode they go completely silent, I mean like 0db. Heat also drops, so like maxes out at 60-70C. You can put them on a VESA mount that goes directly to a monitor, so you are like having an AiO PC.

>>102091503
yea I said I was dumb I realized my error ty.

i fixed it but now I have rgb lights that come on the cpu heatsink fan but cpu fan doesnt spin. cpu fan has a 3 pin connector + a 4pin. 4 pin is plugged in to mb. the other is unplugged. the other is like a 4pin where 3rd pin is solid and so I have nowhere to connect it. I would have assumed the 3 pin thing here is for control of rgb color or something, not for actual fan spinning power.
fuck

>>102091653
Maybe you can find the instructions for your cooler it should say what the two wires are for and where to plug them

>>102091627
oh my god, this creature is bald now!

>>102091628
Good point.
>>102091643
Yeah, I thought of doing that. Instead of grabbing a new laptop, buying a decent display and just shoving that shit behind.
I'm wondering if these miniPCs suffer from the same problem non-gaming laptops do where you can't change fucking anything through the BIOS. It's a pain in the ass to even attempt some undervolting on my current laptop because it's locked down to shit and to top it off, because it's an HP laptop, it installs malware automatically through windows update. And it ain't too linux friendly.

>>102090566
why do you need 64 bit floats?
For AI I don't think anything uses 64 bit floats, even training.
I think this is a direct upgrade over a p40 in terms of LLM speed but you still have less precious vram (16gb means this isn't an upgrade over my experience with free T4's on google colab), and a single 3090 for $700 still destroys 2x gp100's in terms of bang per buck and dual 3090 potential, and for stable diffusion you would generate images 8x faster with a 4090 (10x maybe with the 5090) compared to the gp100 since it's compute limited (numbers are probably a bit lower in real benchmarks, I don't use stable diffusion).

>>102091766
meant to reply to:
>>102090582

>>102091740
Intel BIOS is kinda advanced, you can even set the fan speed by percentage at various temps and so on, so it' much more better than Gigabyte's BRIX PCs. However if you want to fuck around with voltages and stuff you might wanna build your own ITX PC with some good brand mobo, but that won't be as compact as these pre-built mini PCs.

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>>102091693
The Norwood Reaper can visit you at any point in time. And when he does, he has no mercy :(

>>102091812
Yeah, I thought so.
I'm sort of giving up on some small ITX build mainly because it does seem it could get pricier.

Now that we know the 5800X3D is 6 times as fast as the fastest Arrow Lake processor, what death sentence do you guys propose for Pat Gelsinger?

>>102091766
>why do you need 64 bit floats?
I don't currently.
This is my first (serious) discrete GPU and I didn't want to be limited on whatever I decided to use it for.

>you still have less precious vram
I can always grab another one and use NVLink.

>for stable diffusion you would generate images 8x faster with a 4090
It probably would, but I didn't have 4090 money.

>>102091686
ah nvm i figured it out. the 4pin was indeed power but I connected it to a cpu_pump slot on the mb for liquid cooling. I unbent the 4 other pins and thats the one for the cpu fan.

Scuffed but a victory for now

I use the Ultimate Power Plan, because I paid for every MHz.

>>102091959
I use the OC BIOS and Vram clock unlock in my driver because I paid for those features on my 7900GRE

>>102092010
based, I also use the most high end vbios on my 4070 ti

thanks asus strix oc

test

>Aerocool lux 650w 80+ bronze
>Aerocool shard argb case
>Thermalright assassin king white air cooler
Is this shit okay? I'm in shitholeistan so not everything is available here(without paying x3 of its price on shipment fees).

Which is best for gaymin
Windows 10 21h2 ltsc, 22h2, or Windows 11 24h2 beta

>>102092152
>Aerocool lux 650w 80+ bronze
No
>>102092176
out of those win10 is the best

>>102092192
Why?

Y'know with the recent updatings going on, maybe my 13700k becoming unstable is a blessing in disguise. Still pissed that I had to spend extra to move to amd.
It was a good lesson to never buy newly released hardware ever again.

>>102092152
Thermalright coolers are good, cases are cases, the PSU is probably garbage but they claim its 600W on the 12V rail so it will probably work.
the PSU tier list is broken in the OP so I can't give you better info.

>>102092215
What does a garbage PSU mean? What effect will it have?

>>102092197
read >>102090396
the best gaming performance is on 24h2

>>102092197
it's a $30 psu with a $60 price tag
garbage
look at msi a bn, deepcool pk, seasonic b or g

>>102092270
still slower than windows 10 not to mention linux

>>102092270
Why on the PSU part.

>>102091284
Which is ironic because my Radeon 7900xtx is great and my 136k is also good

Shitter off I didn't get a 7800x3d tho but hay the Intel build was a lot cheaper just hoping it doesn't shit itself

>>102092215
>>102092272
>AeroCool Mirage Gold 650W (ARGB) 80 Plus Gold
>Cooler Master MWE 650 650w Bronze V2 80 PLUS MasterWatt Lite Power Supply
I can pick one of those, which one is less likely to blow up?

>>102092399
CM MWE is certainly more trustworthy

>>102092176
24H2 is the best version of modern Windows

5090
$8999
960W
3GB of VRAM
preorder now

>>102092452
Aren't gold rates ones better?

>>102092590
that rating is only for the efficiency not whether the power supply works adequately

>>102092653
I see. Well I plan to keep the PC for at least 5-6 years and don't want to see it blow up, what the fuck do I buy

>>102092672
A high quality power supply with a 5-10 year warranty

>>102092672
The cooler master model you posted is ok.

>>102091887
update
the pc turns on for a little bit.
i load up hardware monitor
cpu is at 97 degrees
as soon as it hits 100, computer turns off.

heatsink has evenly applied thermal paste and screws are tightened down.

not sure if that leaking motherboard capacitor might be whats fucking me. like maybe it sends too much voltage to the cpu?

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Let's put a cheap 1080p computer together with 2nd hand components. What are the best price-performance parts?
>cpu
Ryzen 5 3600 for around 50$
>gpu
Rtx 2060 for around 120$
Don't know about the rest. Case and older sata SSD should be cheap. Maybe buy the PSU new. How much to spend on a 2nd hand motherboard and RAM? Can you build such a PC for under 300$?

>>102092788
get rtx 2060 super
board for 50 dollars
3200/3600 ram

>>102092724
actually just checked it here and the 3 of them are in replace immediately tier kek i want kms
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

>>102092788
I've seen people sell PC's with a 3080 for $500.

I want to buy a new pc. Looking at something like a 7950x3d + 4080super. I'm clueless about cooling and things like that, is water cooling mandatory with such a system, or is air cooling also viable?


Also does it even make sense to buy a PC now or is the next generation shaping up to be significantly better to the point where it's better to wait?

>>102092975
What do you want to use for pc for?

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5060-laptop-gpu-confirmed-to-feature-gddr7-memory-and-25w-lower-tgp-than-rtx-4060
>5060 8gb vram
it's so over bros

>>102093018
Mainly competitive games like Dota2, CS2, maybe some WoW raiding, maybe some Deadlock and POE. 1440p 240hz monitor

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>>102088429
Yesterday I could have bought a 7900XTX and 7800X3D for $1k total but I hesitated and now the deal is gone

>>102093083
then a 16 core cpu makes no sense

>>102092826
MWE V2 is tier B which is respectable

>>102093116
So you're saying what I want is overkill? I did this in 2020 where I bought a r5 3600 + 2060super for 144hz and it was great at the time, but over time these games get patched and suddenly my FPS is way worse than what it should be. Trying to avoid a situation like that again for as long as possible.

Not sure if that makes any sense.

>>102093162
7800X3D is the fastest gaming cpu currently

>>102089643
>Seriously W11 is a fucking disaster.
This is not a performance regression retard, Windows 10 will not get patched.

>>102090266
Windows 10 has similar performance to W11 23H2

Guide to undervolt your GPU for dummies? I did mine in Afterburner but it crashed when I ran a benchmark.

>>102093083
7800x3d is cheaper and faster in games because it simplifies scheduling and doesnt suffer penalties from one set of cores talking to the other that happens on ryzen 9s
And competitive games dont fully utilize highend gpus so the 4080S is massive overkill. You can get away with a 4070S and it should still pump several 100s of fps at 1440p low in those games.

>>102093038
It's a mobile card, the real 5060 will have 7.25 gb of vram

What PSU watts for 7600X + 7700XT build

>>102092975
Nvidia is 10000% sure to release a GPU that will outperform that graphics card for the same price or a couple hundred dollars more at most within 2-5 months

>>102093233
>>102093182
I thought bigger number = better, thanks for the replies, you guys own

>>102093322
650W?

>>102093322
Bare minimum: 400W
Standard/midrange: 650W
Headroom for upgrades: 750W
All assuming a good quality unit that's capable of providing its full power on the 12V rail.

>>102092975
>>102093335
7800x3d can be air cooled easily since it pulls between 35-70W in games. The $35 thermalright phantom spirit evo is the 2nd best air cooler at a fraction of the cost of the best (D15 G2)
It makes sense to buy now since the successor to the 7800x3d will be coming only next year and isnt worth worrying about and zen5 is known to only run 1-2% faster in games.
And intel's next gen is coming in October with a new socket (expensive mb cost) and not much else is known about it.

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>>102093473
>the best (D15 G2)
Was curious so looked this one up. What a beast. Thermal design 250w. But also cost 150$ here. Damn.

>>102093612
yeah i'll never understand why these premium air coolers cost over $100

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>Intel’s Integrated Photonics Solutions (IPS) Group demonstrated the industry’s most advanced and first-ever fully integrated optical compute interconnect chiplet co-packaged with an Intel CPU
when can we see this on desktop

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>be me
>think about finally replacing desktop this gen after waiting 9 years for a worthwhile release
>thinking about the 9800x3D
>break out the ol pcpartpicker
>look at motherboards
>5 different motherboards to choose from
great, amazing. I love it.

so a b650e and a x870 are the same thing, but then a x870e seemingly has no additional difference but exists.
the x670 is dogshit and the x670e is also basically a x870.

I kind of want usb4 since I have an egpu for my laptop. it seems worthwhile for troubleshooting or some other reason if it doesnt cost too much.

why the fuck did amd do this

>>102093816
Just get a strix x870e-e then

>>102093769
Considering people have been waiting for foveros for 8 years, never.

>>102093848
im also not looking to spend top dollar on a mid tier cpu.
I have a 3090 which is pci-e 4.0 also, i would make no benefit of going with pci-e 5 except for storage. I'm not going to upgrade gpu for a long time.

Maybe the most basic motherboard is actually right for me

>>102093612
It cools at best 2C better than the PSE
When you buy a D15 G2, you're paying for the prestige of having a noctua that's made in Austria moreso than the material cost of the cooler

>>102093921
just buy the $120 b650m PG Lightning

>>102093921
I'd suggest getting a gigabyte or Asrock b650 today since their boards are superb at booting really quickly with any sort of expo kit
But since you're getting a 9800x3d, you'd be waiting until next January which is when b850 boards would be releasing so you'd have more options then, and hopefully MSI fixes their slow boot issues by then.

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>corsair cx650
Can I run a 4070S on this?

>>102094165
you shouldn't run an $800 graphics card with a $50 budget psu from 10 years ago

>>102093198
W10 already has this performance retard.

>>102094165
The new one? Yeah should be fine. If it's the OG model from ~2013 then I'd highly suggest replacing it. They do degrade over time and you'd be risking a rather expensive PC to save $90.

>>102094165
if it's really the 2020 model made by great wall is fine if the sticker is green throw it in the garbage.

>>102094464
Pre-24H2? Yes, that is W10 performance.

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>>102093816
800 series are not even out yet.

>>102094464
nah win10 is still faster compared to the latest update. Level 1 tech Wendell tested it

>>102094464
OH NO NO NO W10tards coping.

>>102093105
Haha get fucked!

>>102094539
>sticker
You mean the rail diagram on the psu? Or something else?

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>>102094658
This is the old, bad version. Note the green.
gray sticker version is good

>>102094636
I shoulda just pulled the trigger on the spot
Been seething all day
I might just buy them today anyway for $300 more

So which is it?
10 = 11 current < 11 beta
11 current < 10 = 11 beta

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>build new pc
>give old pc to lil' bro who's never had his own pc
>i can tell hes super happy about it
makes me so fucking happy as a big bro. he can do some work stuff and play those light games which easily works even on the ancient pc.
this i believe is SOUL

>>102094723
11 current<11beta<10<linux

>>102094754
>>102094754
>>102094754

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>>102093989
w-what?
I thought the 9800x3D was coming in september october

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>>102094723
>>>/g/fwt

>>102094451
>4070 super
>$800
What monopoly money do you use?

>>102094165
As long as it has all the modern protections, like overcurrent protection, it's fine.

>>102093322
The most important thing is that the PSU is ATX 3.0 compliant, otherwise you'll be buying a new one again for your next graphics card upgrade. If you're planning to stay midrange, 650W is fine.

>>102093219
Undervolted too far.
>figure out what frequency the card is boosting to at stock
>start decreasing voltage at that frequency
When it becomes unstable (and keep in mind, sometimes an undervolt that you think is stable will turn out not to be under certain workloads), either revert to last stable or start decreasing both frequency and voltage to maintain stability if you want even lower power (at the cost of a small amount of performance)

>>102093327
Almost no chance RTX 50 comes out this year. High end will be early next

>>102092975
If you have something half decent now, I would waitTM until early next year to buy. My guess is the 5080 will be 4090 perf for cheaper, although how much cheaper remains to be seen

>>102092788
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/xf6JwP

If I wanted to run Windows on a VM so I can nuke it whenever it diverges too far from its baseline retardation what sort of CPU should I be looking at? The other use case is doing some computer vision projects on the side but that’s more dependent on how much VRAM I can throw at the problem (and unfortunately has to be NVIDIA, since I learned CUDA and never got too deep in to OpenCL). I was eyeing some of the new AMD Zen 5 processors but I don’t see much benefit in the generational uplift at the current price.

>>102094957
>that pic
Wait, you're not supposed to undervolt below the max boost frequency? I just dragged it down, then dragged it up from that point and then flattened it.

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>>102095044
>My guess is the 5080 will be 4090 perf
That is optimistic. Nvidia is in the luxury position that the competition is not exactly threatening. Sure, there will be a performance bump but don't expect a 5080 with 4090 performance, 5070 with 4080, 5060 with 4070 etc. The biggest surprise may be how efficient the next gen cards are.

But ofcourse that's all speculation and I could be wrong. But as they say, he who does not expect very much, will not be very disappointed.

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>>102095099
>not supposed to
You can, but then you're also losing performance
One common goal of undervolting is to trim voltage at the stock level of performance (meaning frequency)
The other common goal is to bring power to some user desired target. This will often involve the loss of some performance to hit those targets

>I just dragged it down, then dragged it up
That's not the best strategy. When you drag the curve down, you're actually increasing the voltage at the frequencies that you don't touch later. I just leave the curve where it is, and drag a point up. Flatten to the right, smooth to the left.
Shortcut to flatten is shift+enter+enter

Keep in mind that different games or workloads will tax the GPU in different ways. Run heavy full rasterized and full path traced workloads if possible. You can also have a specific profile for a particular game that you play a lot. Often that profile can be lower voltage and stable in that game, but it won't be stable broadly speaking.

>>102095286
I don't see a reason for the extreme pessimism regarding performance. 5080 = 4090 is already a heavily reduced performance target, considering performance improvements of the past, such as 3070 = 2080 Ti or 1070 = 980 Ti. Obviously RDNA4 will be lacking high end, but that didn't stop Nvidia when RTG did the same thing with RX 5000 and RX 400. Nvidia still had a high end. The only real question is how much the high end will cost without any competition (in the slightest) from AMD.

>>102095431
I see. I don't really have games I'm playing right now that are graphically demanding, so I've relied on benchmarks. My GPU though can boost pretty high (2835MHz at 1.1V according to HWiNFO, it's a GAMING OC 4070 Super), so should I ignore that boost and go for a lower more reasonable point?

>>102095286
>5060 with 4070
I hope you're wrong about this one. If the 5060 is 400$ or less and gives me approximately 4070 performance then that's my next card
>have a 2060 now

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>>102095624
>should I ignore that boost
Not necessarily. Really up to you in terms of targets.

>>102095665
Not him, but look at how slowly the XX60 class is improving. 2060 --> 3060 --> 4060 barely moved to 2070 Super perf. This happens because performance at the low end is compressed. I wouldn't expect the 5060 to be as good as a 4070 either.

>>102095665
>5060 with 4070 performance
Hate to rain on your parade but I wouldn't be surprised if they slap just 8gb on that 5060. It's Nvidia. Can't have people being happy with a 400$ card, noooooo...

>>102095799
To be fair the mining boom fucked up everything. Nvidia selling the 12gb 3060 for it's msrp (330$?) wasn't a bad deal. If you get it for that price. They just screwed the pooch with the 4060

>>102092788
you're on the right track but I'm not sure you should buy the motherboard and psu used. Especially the psu.
>300
you need a little more, make it 400

for the motherboard check those tier lists, sata and nvme ssds are almost the same price, ram is cheap, case you should get a mesh one and thermalright fans which go for 12

>>102092788
>gets bottom tier GPU when the Titan Xp can be had for less