>GNOME
>2024>Gnome
>>102089056>usrWHAT COULD "USR" POSSIBLY MEAN?! I CAN'T TAKE IT, I'M GOING BACK TO WINDOWS.
>>102089111What's with all these cryptic shits?
>>102089124It's sooooo goddamn CRYPTIC.
>>102089056I see the solution in the first sentence of your pic what's the issue?
>>102089178Issue is, you could browse the root folder normally before they removed that feature from their file manager.
>>102089056>usr is user>*normalfaggot's brain explodes*
>>102089212can't u browse it again if u press / + enter ?
>use GNOME>use /bin as Recycle Bin>it is time to empty the bin>delete /bin>komputer krashes>go the the gnome store and ask for a refund>they give me new x220 for free
He hehehe he- He ho ho he ho hooo-
What is the intended purpose of Nautilus, the graphical file manager? To manage user files. Not, evidently, to manage system files. Why would you ever do that graphically to begin with? This is part of making FOSS accessible to everyone. It might feel burdensome in a kneejerk way for a poweruser to have ro press an extra button, but even fucking Linus McTechTips managed to destroy his entire system through recklessly skimming a few warnings and destroying his system files. Grandma doesn't need to be in /bin
>>102089111>Sbin>System binaries >/Usr/sbin>Non essential binariesWhat did they mean by this?
>>102089363Not essential for the system to boot and function. Mostly added by user later after booting the OS.
SYSWOW64
>>102089111None of this makes any sense.
>because i know what a word means that means that that word by itself is now suddenly not cryptic by itself to those who dont already know what it is (aside from usr)wew lads...
>>102089056Having everything that's not USB storage under "Other locations" was retarded already, but this is even worse.Yes, you can type / in the address bar and abuse the bookmarks to get what every normal file browser already does by default.But what no one mentioned is that this also needlessly complicates browsing other partitions or network shares. Do they expect you to open Gnome Disks, select the device, mount the partition and then click the link to wherever it was mounted to so a new Nautilus window opens?It's like they only let brain damaged people make their decisions. KDE is basically abandonware but at least they don't remove features at random.
>>102089540Why would you ever manage your system files graphically?
>>102089575Why would you ever manage files graphically?
>>102089056I get, they want to make it more pleasant to use for people who don't really know computers. Sucks that it makes it worse for advanced users though
>>102089540>KDE is basically avandonwareLmao wat
>>102089575>Why would you ever have files on another partition chud?
>>102089622A fair point. It's mostly for grandma. I do it when I'm feeling lazy>>102089657Where did you hear that these won't be automounted and available from the sidebar? In the screenshot they only talk about the root filesystem.
>>102089654I'll explain it so that someone who has never used KDE can understand as well. KDE, maaany feature. But some feature nobody there to maintain. When many other thing change, feature now not work good.
>>102089540>Yes, you can type / in the address barso whats the problem?
>>102089717by that logic windows is abandonware because the guys that new how file explorer works are all gone by now. (thats where that bugged update that deleted files in user documents came from, someone different trying to work on it)
>>102089717Do you realize that if even KDE is abandonware like you're saying it's completely over for Linux?
KDE is shit. Same for Xfce. Used to be proprietary software. Can't trust the devs. GNOME was created by GNU to establish liberty. Do not trust the schemers and compromisers who develop the other desktops. Install GNOME
>>102089747Microsoft pays people to work on the file explorer, it will never be abandoned.
>>102089775How so? Linux is a kernel and it is very actively maintained.
>>102089830>thread about desktop Linux>LINUX IS LE KERNEL
>>102089798I use Xfce and KDE you can't stop me Gnomie
>>102089717I've been using KDE stuff for over a decade, most of that time as the main DE. Can't say I've had this issue
>CTRL+L /i thought you guys were supposed to be power users
Can a gnome developer tell me why it was removed in the first place?
>>102089838kde is not linux.
>>102089849Absolutely proprietary. You disgust me.
>>102089798Xfce is the best DE, idc what it started as
>>102089897>hurr durr we need to dumb down the application because muh we need to be as user unfriendly as applel
>>102089972>trading liberty for utilityYou are not worthy. In Stallman's name I cast thee out! Back! Back into the darkness with you, redcoat! Back to the wretched pit from whence you came!
>>102089897Seems to say in OP>>102089056
>>102089850You've never used the widgets or tried any desktop effects? Many old user themes are broken in some way, too. Ever tried Krunner? Last time I did it a lot of the quick launch prefixes were broken or outdated
>>102089691>Where did you hear that these won't be automounted and available from the sidebar?That's not how Gnome operates. They just stubbornly remove things, since you can always use user extensions/get with the times/fork it, right?It would be good (as in 'on par with every other file manager') it they did it that way but that's probably against their so called vision
>>102090049Not everything has been ported over to Qt6 yet, if that's what you're talking about. Can't say I had anything that stopped working, the widgets and everything had been ported over when I updated.> Ever tried Krunner? Last time I did it a lot of the quick launch prefixes were broken or outdatedI use it daily. Had zero issues with it, didn't even know it was affected by the switch tbqh
>>102089363>>102089388/sbin and /usr/sbin are symlinks to /usr/bin on arch linux
>>102090138oh, so you made it upthat's cool
>>102090145 what about ubuntu?
>>102090006it's FOSS now, what difference does the origin actually make to someone who isn't a neurotic autist?
>>102090214THERE IS NO FREEDOM WITHOUT VIGILANCE
>>102090145Most major distros, I'd say>>102090210Seems to have been the case since 19.04
>>102090187Are you on Gnome 47 right now?
>>102090295no, using debian stable
>>102089343How is a normie supposed to save a file that is accessible to both him and the user account of his mother?
>>102090628right click --> share to other user would be a good feature
I really hope Microsoft is paying Gnome to make Linux as shitty as possible. If they're doing it for free, it's embarrassing.
>>102090769you use a DE that apes Windows beat for beat thoughever
>>102089111it is a complete mess desu and could use an overhaul
>>102090893Already exist, check gobolinuxhttps://www.wiki.gobolinux.org/Overview/The-GoboLinux-Way/
>>102089343These „beginner“ users everyone in the gnome team is referring to don’t exist. Every Linux user has at least some computer experience that goes beyond just clicking on buttons. Thats by design since 99.5% of Linux users needed to install their system in the first place. And after installing will likely run into some issues or shortcomings of their system where fixing makes the command line necessary. They are trying so hard to be apple which is such a cringe fallacy and making the project a total waste of time for everyone. Gnome literally has no usecase. You can easily make kde behave like gnome and you will have zero downsides but a lot of upsides. KDE even runs better on touch devices by now.
>>102090843Um, I don't think LXQt had a single change since the release of Windows 11 albeittheless?
>>102090966I already systematically refuted your argument last thread
>>102090966You seem to be completely correct>>102090982Let's hear it though
>>102091065no I have to go to work
>>102089056GNOME decisions always make perfect sense if you see them as wannabe Apple devs who don't have the talent to work there, so they use Linux as their personal playground to apply what they think Apple's UX philosophy is, filtered through their own lack of taste.So GNOME Files must make it hard to access / because macOS Finder makes it hard to access /, but they don't understand why macOS is like that because of the same lack of taste that's stopping them from working there. macOS is not Linux and macOS's target demographic is not the same as GNOME's. Linux doesn't hide it's unixisms as well as macOS does, so the average Linux user is much more likely to need to access / than the average macOS user. A tasteful Linux file manager would make it easy to access /, but GNOME can't, because it's tasteless macOS cosplay. You can see this lack of taste all over GNOME if you look.
>>102089575its mostly for users with little experience, who just want to do a small task occasionally, for example installing a program to /opt/ or edit a conf or similar. For example gnome has no graphical samba support. Maybe they are watching a youtube tutorial where somebody is doing it graphically (with root access in dolphin) and then cant easily repeat it in nautilus... Not every beginner knows how to correctly use mv cp ls etc with the according options to effectively use them and when you are new to the system you just want to get some things done and not need to read about option a to command b to fullfill task c and so on...
>>102091091kekI really hope gnome developers will read this. You are correct on everything you said.
>>102090982i havent even been to the last thread so tell me please
>>102090732yeah, lets just add stupid things to emulate basic features any filesystem has
Why are you using gnome in 2k24
>>102089111Those descriptions are useless, i still don't know what i'm allowed to do. On Windows it's so easy by comparison.
>>102091334It came with my distro and I dislike how ugly and broken KDE is
>>102091334me? a rat
>>102089111I mean I've unironically had people say similar things.Basic concepts in games, on their phones, etc seem to just really scare the shit out of people.
>>102091396She is a mouse
>>102091363>on windows its easyUser/AppData/Roaming....
>>102090966>These „beginner“ users everyone in the gnome team is referring to don’t exist.One of the funniest things about GNOME is that the closest thing to a pure-beginner Linux user is using KDE Plasma right now. The Steam Deck is the only recent device I can think of that:>is commercially successful>is marketed at and bought by completely non-technical users who didn't consciously choose to run Linux and aren't doing it for their job>ships mostly-unmodified desktop Linux with one of the big 2 DEs installed (even though it boots into a custom full-screen Steam UI by default)And Valve picked KDE instead of GNOME for it, specifically because of the things that people always criticize them about - slow adoption of Wayland protocols they don't see the use case for. I don't think GNOME could have failed harder at the goal they ruined their DE for.
>>102091422out of ten
>>102091363>game save isn't in program files>check the game saves folder in documents>it isn't there either>check appdata>nothing>???? How>eventually find it in roaming and not local>whew, finally>transfer save to another machine>???>why did none of the settings transfer over?>find out game saves settings seperately in the x86 version of program files>god>fucking>damn itAnd don't even get me started on regedit bullshit.
>>102089624>they want to make it more pleasant to use for people who don't really know computersit never fucking works. each layer of obfuscation over the filesystem makes it exponentially harder for noobs.
>>102091375>I dislike how ugly and broken GNOME isSo why not use KDE?
>>102089624>"We need to make to make it easier!" says the dude using the DE that decided the minimize button is unneeded.
>>102089056>click other locations>first choice under "On This Device"wow, so hard. stick to your shitty crashy DE faggot.
>>102091103I want to add that even if you managed to access a config file using nautilus (for example by making use of the well-known alt+up keybindings), after having spent ten minutes to edit it the editor will NOT ask you for a root passwort to save it, instead it will just tell you you cant.
>>102091692anon, they removed that "other locations" from the sidebar.
>>102089798XFCE itself wasn't proprietary per se. But it may have been "derivative" from a proprietary library.Xforms was indeed proprietary, which was the issue.XFCE switched to GTK early on because of the licensing issues of Xforms.
>>102090398So you don't know either. Give me your e mail address so I can tell you "told you so" when it becomes available in some distro
>>102089575When i started using Linux during GNOME 2 days, i used gedit to edit config files, because i was not familiar with nano yet and vim was out of the question anyway.Saying that nobody should use an UI to access system files is not newcomer friendly..And even if your system is perfect and you really never have to access them, you make the learning curve much steeper.Someone who starts out on GNOME fresh, could become a developer in the future.If every newcomer is a locked-in baby in a hugbox, they will never get there.
>>102091624Noobs don't really even get files and folders anymore. So this makes it worse but also gotta make it easier and easier for them if you want them to be able to use shit>>102091657Oh they don't have a minimize button?
>>102091810ok... maybe it truly is over, but it's still here as far as I can see.
>>102091938>Noobs don't really even get files and folders anymoreSo we can remove Nautilus.Can you name a single reason why GNOME should have a file explorer?
>>102091992You're using version 47?
>>102092000This.Restricting the file explorer to a subset of user files is stupid. Especially because there might be multiple user accounts. How do you explain to a user that he can access A but not B?It is just confusing for the newcomer.You either go all the way and embrace the phone-fag post-filesystem world, or you do a proper file explorer that can explore files.I am strongly in favor of removing GNOME Files.
>>102092000I think it might be handy
UNIX names are fucking retarded you've got to admit
>>102092166they made sense in the beginning, e.g., /usr held user directories
>>102092205why not just call it /user
>>102089894ctrl L is superfluous to the step. press / and enter.>>102091938>minimize button?if youre on a laptop super + h. other locations isnt gonna help granny that much if her volumes aren't named well. sonny still would have to make a visit and point out which one.it does have an air of stubborn gnome about it, but power users are gonna use a file browser with more features like split panes, and granny is probably going to be on a distro that cares about basic user workflow that isnt using nautilus.if you want to learn gnome pure, its still a very good system imo. just need a keyboard nearby, no tv couch computing.
>>102092209longer to type.>>102092205freebsd has it in there still. i love that about it.
>>102089056Hot tip: If you don't know linux root folder structure, you can learn more by using `man hier` in your terminal.
>>102092378>longer to type.barely>>102092433more ridiculous esoteric names for fundamental shitand why are there no man pages for basic shit like cd, for/while, etc.?or do they just have stupid names, too?
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>>102092488Hey! Good qs: for, while, cd ... are generally parts of the shell that you're using, e.g. bash. You can find more information about those constructs and how to use them under `man bash`. Since it was part of your question, here's the section for `cd` under that man page as an example --cd [-L|[-P [-e]] [-@]] [dir]Change the current directory to dir. if dir is not supplied, the value of the HOME shell variable is the default. Any additional arguments following dir are ignored. The variable CDPATH defines the search path for the directory containing dir: each directory name in CDPATH is searched for dir. Alternative directory names in CDPATH are separated by a colon (:). A null directory name in CDPATH is the same as the current directory, i.e., ``.''. If dir begins with a slash (/), then CDPATH is not used. The -P option causes cd to use the physical directory structure by resolving symbolic links while traversing dir and before processing instances of .. in dir (see also the -P option to the set builtin command); the -L option forces symbolic links to be followed by resolving the link after processing instances of .. in dir. If .. appears in dir, it is processed by removing the immediately previous pathname component from dir, back to a slash or the beginning of dir. If the -e option is supplied with -P, and the current working directory cannot be successfully determined after a successful directory change, cd will return an unsuccessful status. On systems that support it, the -@ option presents the extended attributes associated with a file as a directory. An argument of - is converted to $OLDPWD before the directory change is attempted. If a non-empty directory name from CDPATH is used, or if - is the first argument, and the directory change is successful, the absolute pathname of the new working directory is written to the standard output. ... and some more, too long ...
>>102092433It's amazing how few people know this.
>>102092592I spent too much time in man pages on my first walk through building a(n?) LFS. That's the only reason why I do! There's so much good info locked in those pages. There's even a system C development manual in it in a lot of cases, haha.
>>102091992They removed it on 47.
>>102089111>/Usr/binI just put everything into $HOME/.local/bin and then add that to my path. Just try and stop me.
>>102091569the difference is that windows is consistently a clusterfuck. this structure hasn't changed in literally 20 years. and the reasoning for it is valid: backwards compatibility.loonix, on the other hand, is obsessed with reinventing the same wheel just in different shades of shit brown.FOSS autists dont understand that CONSISTENCY is the most important factor of ANYTHING.
>>102089056I kind of see his point here. If you, for any reason whatsoever, need to manipulate files in the root directory, then do it from the command line. If you cannot do that then you have no business venturing outside of your ~/.
>>102089297>>102089178Most keyboards don't have a '/' key. That's only on US layout. This is a huge regression and an usability issue.
>>102089111>usrit obviously means "user", so that's where your profile directory is
>>102089343If you idiots are so concerned on the poor userinos just add a small red disclaimer whenever a user is outside /home/ explaining that those are system files and should not be touched. That's far more logical than making it so nobody can browse those directories at all.Not that it matters since you can't modify anything outside of /home/ without root permissions. Nautilus doesn't offer any way to elevate privileges from itself and Wayland doesn't allow GUI programs to run as root without using XWayland or Polkit workarounds; both of which are outside the scope of new users anyway (and more dangerous than gksu ever was.)
>>102092488>barelyyou wanted to know why, thats precisely why.
>>102089838>>102089913Excuse me, but i'd like to interject for a moment. What you call KDE or as I have recently taken to calling it KDE+GNU
>>102090214>>102090224I didnt even know XFCE was anything ever but FOSS. If anything, learning that hasn't always been that way is really black-pilling. I think i'm going to go and have a little whine on the internet about something i know nothing about.
>>102090769They basically are. Microsoft is "guiding" the development through its patents. Dont forget that. Anyone puts real money i.e. non-autistic man-hours into a venture, they want a return on their labor. No one would dare try, save for autistic
>>102093347Steam
>>102090006Fuck you. RMS has zero issues with privative software gone free.
>>102092829>That's far more logical than making it so nobody can browse those directories at all.You are just proving that their design philosophy worked for keeping retards from fucking up their system files while letting power users do as they please. Anyone can just enter the root directory from the title bar you dumb fuck.
Un using NixOS with Hyprland
>>102092488you're being silly
>>102093401so?
>>102093433idiot
>>102093401power user wouldn't use fucking nautilus for cd-ing to root directory.
>>102092829Then I frankly don't know what you're bitching about. Creating a clear division between user and system space is wise. Every time some retarded YouTuber bricks their system, Linux takes another massive credibility hit.
>>102093493so there is no point in accessing root in the file manager after all? what exactly do you want?
>>102092720okay, Adolf.
>>102092862why not just call it /u then?>>102093417no I'm not
>>102093986i would
Serious question to gnome fags, why do you tolerate this treatment when there are so many better options available that don't have such user hostile devs?I don't see the point when other DE can not only mimic gnome but also out perform it in regards to resource management and features.
>>102094093>user hostileYou mean not midwit pandering? GNOME gets out of my way and lets me do shit. It doesn't provide a sea of options for every little thing because the devs grasp that you want a graphical desktop to effortlessly perform simple functions/launch simple graphical programs. They don't try to make their GUI rival the command line because it is impossible to maintain that level of complexity practically speaking and it will never actually reach parity with a text based interface. It's a pointless bandaid solution for people who want to perform system level fine grain configuration and execute extremely complicated chains of functions without bothering to acquaint themselves meaningfully with the command line, which would be the better tool for the job every time
>>102094168>GNOME gets out of my way and lets me do shitCope phrase used by buck broken retards that can't function. Every UI accomplishes that, I don't even know how that's valid when the piece of shit is a resource hog and prone to breaking when it updates if you happen to use any extra productivity extension. Lower your voice before speaking to me with reddit mantras
>>102089111man this is old>binobsolete>bootnone of your business, don't touch it>usranything managed by package managers, bin links to /usr/bin nowadays>varnone of your business>sbinsee bin>libsee bin>tmpramfs>dev, procmanaged by kernel and userspace drivers, dont touch it>mntobsoleted by gvfs
>>102094299>extensionsYour fault, you don't need extensions. None of them are useful or stable. Don't use hacks made by retards.>every ui accomplishes thatKDE doesn't. KDE software is fucking impossible to use because the useful settings you want to configure to get to a sensible setup (like the one presented by default in GNOME) is nested in layer after layer of pointless little fucking tweaks that children insist they be able to make to their GUI because they don't have anything better to do. Just use the fucking command line, A GUI's job is to be dead simple and that's it
>>102094093i don't base my choice of DE on which one has the most bells and whistlesi can do anything i want as long as i have the terminal
>>102089897removed?
>>102094361>Calls other's midwits>absolute brainletThere's a reason why users are fleeing gnome and not even valve would touch then. Cope while bussy boy chops off another one of your toes.
>>102094476>claims every desktop gets out of your way>I point out one of the many ways in which KDE doesn't but in fact constantly faces bloat and obstacles in your path>o-o-ok but you're dumb bussy bussy lolololKlown Desktop Environment.
>>102094497KDE doesn't get in your way, it's a bog standard DE out the box with it's own quick search feature with krunner. It even has one of the best file managers on linux. If you want to talk about stock experiences KDE destroys gnome in that department while using less resources AND having more customization. Your DE is so fucking garbage it embarrassed linux on the biggest tech normie channel and made a company create it's own DE as a response. How many DE have been created because of the pants on the head retarded decisions the gnome foundation has done at this point?Why do they also all end up being better than gnome after too?Without the corpos funding this piece of shit it would have died by now.
>>102089363That they aren't essential for the operation of the machine? Because they are user level programs that all users should have access to?
Does anyone here even actively use Gnome 3+?I generally got the impression, that at this point it's practically a zombie used by practically no one.
>>102094554>customizationbloat, garbage, unnecessary, go away. you don't need to customize your fucking GUI>stock experienceKDE is incredibly inefficient and slow and for some reason insists on continuing to imitate Windows instead of moving to a more modern and usable flow, except for where it badly and sloppily attempts to imitate GNOME. GNOME is effortless and unobtrusive. No gay effects, no transparency, fantastic readability, your whole desktop made available to you with a single keypress. I don't need an ultra complicated graphical file manager. If I need to perform complex file operations I will use the fucking CLI because it is better in every conceivable way. I use nautilus to move images from my downloads to my pictures folder with one hand
>>102089111>/var/spool/news>No /var/spool/mailIs this bait?
>>102094654>KDE is incredibly inefficient and slow stopped reading there gnome uses more resourcesTake your fucking meds
>>102094727>b-b-b-b-but my ramOh my God, shut the fuck up, retard.
>>102094654>If I need to perform complex file operations I will use the fucking CLI because it is better in every conceivable way.Them why is GNOME being dumbed down to grandma with Alzheimer's level? Also good luck telling an actual beginner that "the file manager can't do this, open a terminal and type these arcane commands if you want to accomplish that, it's more efficient." The GNOME brain rot is real.
>>102094767>makes retarded statement>gets corrected on his retardation>seethesWhy does it always feel like I'm picking on special needs children whenever I debate gnome spergs?
>>102094767>no argumenttake the L and leave, ebussy
>>102089111If you're a noob the only directories outside of home you are probably going to use are /usr, /etc and /media. Don't even think about this shit.
>>102094771Normal people do not need to fuck around in root. Normal people do not need to perform complex file operations. They just need to use their simple fucking GUI to do normal basic shit. They need it to get out of their fucking way
>>102094793>>102094796RAM IS NOT PERFORMANCE
>>102094834KDE is still faster than gnome by a long shot LMAOWhy are you so fucking dumb, why do you assume that KDE is the end all be all of this argument when every other DE user will say the same thing about gnome?
>>102094848>KDE is faster than gnome by a long shotYou are wrong and stupid.
>>102089111You picked the dumbest hill to die on. Some of them make obvious sense, or some sense after a little experience, but /usr and /opt are the least logical within the Unix FHS standard.I have been using Unix-like systems since the 90's, so I am decades past the point of being used to their conventional uses, but I can still step back and observe that it is far from obvious.
>>102094807>sudo thunar
>>102094345>>bin>obsoleteFor boot purposes and base operating system things it should be placed here, additional packages with "official support" should be in /usr/>>boot>none of your business, don't touch itAgreed.>>usr>anything managed by package managers, bin links to /usr/bin nowadaysAgreed.>>var>none of your businessLogs and other "variable" configurations, you should know about it.>>sbin>see bin*REALLY* important things for system administration and boot, mount.* and init system should be placed here>>lib>see binAgain, for boot purposes and base operating system>>tmp>ramfsAgreed.>>dev, proc>managed by kernel and userspace drivers, dont touch itAgreed.>>mnt>obsoleted by gvfsOnly if you are using a desktop.In a sense:>/Should be the base operating system, you can literally rm -rf /usr and you should still be able to boot.>/usrWhere the additional packages are, managed by the package manager OR SYSTEM MANAGER if you are booting boxes through network.>/usr/localLiterally user "operating system" environment, a place to put your shit in thereWe should strive to FHS standard.
>>102089343you should have been in the /bin
>>102094168>gets out of my wayIf it doesn't offer the most basic features, while still being a slow memory hog, it is as much IN MY WAY as possible.Want to minimize an application? Ebussy stops you and tells you it hasn't got a use case.If i want to do a thing and GNOME deliberately makes it impossible to do it, it is IN MY WAY.You are not Apple. Your idiotic marketing phrases don't work.And when Apple uses marketing phrases, it has a basis in reality, while you are gaslighting people.
>>102094997well, FHS doesn't mean much when every relevant distro goes forward with /usr merge
>>102095160Those niggers do this, but none of them dares to remove /boot on efi systems where its not needed anymore (systemd-boot or kernel shim).And they put /efi into /boot/efi, which breaks the automounting (cause it is an automount within a automount).Fedora even puts symlinks into /boot, so you can't use vfat there.
>>102094425>removed?Correct.
>>102089056Jesus fucking christ even macs are not this stupid
>>102095078>Want to minimize an application? Ebussy stops you and tells you it hasn't got a use case.I don't like GNOME hiding the minimize button, but it's true that the only use for it is to look at the wallpaper.
>>102095231...or to stop something that is expensive to be rendered, from being rendered.Or to have it "get out of your way".
>>102095292What's the use case for that?
>>102089312This didn't happen.
>>102095310A faster more performant system where you can have more things open before it becoming an issue.Think about how browsers nowadays all have fake tabs, where the websites arent actually loaded, unless you click on them.An applications knows when it doesn't have focus and when its minimized and can adjust its resource usage accordingly.
>>102095352But you can minimize windows on GNOME, it's not like it's not possible. The lack of a proper system tray is a problem, not this.
>>102095215try adding "file:///" to ~/.config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks
>>102095480Anything that makes it easier to put a window out of view (in a way the application knows what's going on) is a massive benefit for the user.Removing any such thing is stupid and it "gets in the way" of the user.
I don't see a usecase for Nautilus aka GNOME Files.
>save a file>the filename box is focused>if you type anything at all the suggested file name will be irreversibly lost because ctrl+z doesn't work>click on an element in the visible directory to shift focus and search for the directory you want to save in>the thing you clicked happened to be a file>the suggested filename is now irreversibly lost and overwritten to be the name of the file you happened to click
>>102094072would you... really?
>>102089056Gnome is a cheap knockoff of iOS.who would've thought
>>102089111>>102089224In old Unix, /usr used to be the equivalent to modern /home.
>>102094859This has been proven, I don't know what you're on but I walked away for a few hours to still see you seethe because you're buckbroken by a foot.
/g/ is terminally retarded
If you just use Linux mint you don't need to tinkertranny with some directories
>>102089718If only you could simply click it in the side bar like in every single other file explorer in existence.>>102089798>GNOME was created by GNU to establish libertyExcept gnome is designed by bumbling retards for bumbling retards.The only liberty it's establishing is the liberty of being treated like an incompetent child by a bunch of opinionated inflated egos.
posting more certified GNOME moments
gnome isn't made with linux users in mind, it's made for the 80iq minimal wage workers of the corporations redhat sells rhel to.
Hahaha. They're so fucking based. /g/ screeching about blurry text on their 80k 1000 gigaflop gayming monitor and the response is justifiably "so? go fix it yourself retard, we don't exist to cater to your every whim"
>>102089056Can't you click the filepath at the top to go there anyway? Haven't used Nautilus in years but I'm pretty sure you could do that. And I ink you can add any folders to the sidebar so I imagine you can do that for root to
does GTK filepicker still make it so you need to Ctrl+L every single time you open it up in order to get a proper filepath? Does it still automatically select and close the dialogue when you press spacebar, even if you're typing/filtering a filename that includes spaces?
>>102099696>Ctrl+LYou can use the mouse now.
>>102099738but no way to just set proper filepath to show as the default instead of that toddler shit? also the issue with spaces made GTKshit absolutely unusable for me. Complete nightmare to do simple things like pick a fucking image file to shitpost on a mongolian throatsinging forum. Even worse than the lack of thumbnails.
>>102099562He is right on this one.
Sorry, still using GNOMEThe other DEs just suck.Yes, especially the windows clones like KDE and Cinnamon that microsoft refugees love shilling
what did emmanuel Bussi mean by this?
>>102099933so fucking basedGod I love GNOME devs
>>102099933video was actually impressive though
>>102089111/urs means user, it's where home directories originally were.
>>102094345>>tmp>ramfsNot always. For a long time it wasn't on Debian. Still might not be, or they might have changed it recently I am not sure.
>>102100202>rayearthSo fucking based. I love this man.
>>102100259functionally same so long as it's deleted on boot and shutdown. It's just that if tmp is on ram it's more secure as deletion function is "provided" by hardware.I use tmp all the time when I need to torrent my weekly series or have to fuck around with large files. Less wear and tear on ssd
Goodnight, GNOMEbrothers...
>>102089056Gnome was founded by a former Microsoft employee to slowly sabotage Linux. That's why they threw a fit and started fixing a bunch of issues when they announced Cosmic by System76.
>>102094997who's this rat bitch?
>>102099766thought the same thing xD
>>102099562At what point does he not realize this space isn't for him?Does he not realize this behavior has been a direct cause for the continually shrinking usage of gnome desktop?
>>102092759Most real keyboards do, on top of the numpad, irregardless of keyboard language or layout.
>>102099842yeah gnome seems like its one of the best floating wms out there. No matter how much you customize kde you cant hide the jank.
>>102094997>>>boot>>none of your business, don't touch it>Agreed.Never installed a distro besides ubuntu award
>>102089111I thought "USR" was "User", or Soviet Russia... Anyway GNOME is an absolute disgrace as per usual and I am glad to actively partake in any organized push to boycott GNOME.
>>102101049nezumi or somthin idk
>>102100202i hate this faggot so goddamn much jesus fucking christ.imagine trying to convince someone to use a desktop environment and they find out it's by some fucking weeb who thinks removing minimize/maximize is peak design
>>102101544He's perfect because he points users and COMPANIES to better DE where they can actually see linux in a good light. He's a very very useful idiot and his mindset and team led to more linux adoption.
>>102101534isnt nezumi japanese for rat?
>>102089056But how hard is it to just type "/" + Enter?
>>102101628the average gnometard needs a button for every possible action
>>102092089I think it might be footy
>>102101639why did they remove minimize and taskbar icon button tho
>>102101857you dont need those
>>102101049Nyon from cookie
What's the point of /media when /mnt exists? Do I not mount my media?
>>102091449I wish Microshit would just outright deprecate this shit because it's so over abused by some brainlet devs, especially LocalLow
>>102101049boku no pico
>>102091103So good
>>102091091Perfect
>>102089111>"Check your bin directory">/bin>/usr/bin>/usr/local/binThis isn't confusing at all.
You know /g/ is stupid when it complains about a virtual workspaces focused desktop not having a minimize button.That, and you can literally just turn it back on, but it's very useless.Do you complain about window managers having neither minimize or maximize functionality as well? Making a good desktop isn't "copying windows and being done with it" so stop demanding Windows features like they're absolutely essential(No systray is stupid though)
>>102092759>Most keyboards don't have a '/' key.If you are using a gamer keyboard with no numpad, chances are you are better off being kept out of system files.
>>102089111>WHAT COULD "USR" POSSIBLY MEAN?!It's not as stupid a question as you might think at first. Is it short for "user"? But then why isn't my profile directory in it, and why can't I write my user files there? Also why is there a bin, yet if I drag files there it gives me a "permission denied" error instead of deleting them? And what about sys? It doesn't contain operating system files.
>>102104491if a program doesn't tell me exactly where it's storing config/files i get lost for hours i swear
>>102099562So the other anon was bang on the money about gnome developers. Holy shit!
>>102105300>you are stupid because you complain about a shit eating focused project eating shit
>>102105717nta but yes holy shit you are stupid
>>102101421Do you have any idea how long this guy has been working on FOSS? Brigading teenage /g/tards wouldn't, who am I kidding
>>102099562
>>102105717that anon, yes you are extremely stupid.
>>102089111iirc it was the name of the mountpoint they used for home directories (hence "user") on the original unix mainframe when they had to get a second drive or something retarded like that
i like gnome
>>102106229All intelligent people do.
KDE needs a sovlful default. It's nice that we can make it look whatever way we want, be the default should be something that looks good and is distinctly KDE. Yet, they refuse to. One of the most requested things is a frosted glass look, and it just goes ignored to this day, and we have to go with broken third-party software. Also first class global menu. It's probably the one DE that has good global menu, but it's not great, they should just embrace it. That's one of the first things many KDE users do when they boot.
>>102106437KDE needs a SOVLFVL default, like corproate product from 15 years ago. SV TRVE!
>>10210647815 years ago, corporate products had soul.
>>102106486hahaha ok baby duck
>>102105774makes sense
>>102106557said the drooling /pol/goblin
>>102106523>noooo things assembled by an organized team of paid individuals can never have soul because... because, they just can't! >only things made by a disorganized teams of hobbyists paid with donations can!
>>102106588Yes.
What is this gay thread? If you are a power user, or someone who regularly interacts with your system's files then surely you either do shit like this in the terminal, or at least know enough keyboard shortcuts that you do 99% of shit on the keyboard? Not even a gnome user but this is gay as shit kek.>no I heckin have to press / :((((
>>102106581
>>102106600Based
>>102089111the "e" was insecure, we care about your security and privacy
I fucking hate tech illiterates. they should stick with windows.
>>102089056It's a touch screen DE, what do you expect?
>>102107526touch type DE*
Threads like this make me feel better about failing as a dev and leaving tech. How are you supposed to build anything that works when we can't even agree on how to browse files? Who has time to deal with this level of fragmentation? As bad as it was, I still miss when 90% of customers ran one OS because we actually got stuff done and made money.
/v/-levels of raging over something completely trivial, which makes sense because most of this board is just gaymers pretending to like technology.
Here's your fixed GNOME, sir.
>>102107836Based bro
>>102107864ruined
>>102107864>qemu
>>102107526You wish. The touch support is so bad that you can't even select multiple files at the same time (https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/1ef8atl/how_do_you_drag_select_or_select_multiple_things/). Gestures are absolutely bad and it doesn't recognize pen styluses. I don't know where people got this idea that gnome is a touch screen de, it's blatantly false.
>>102107992It works fine on my foldable. I use it as a tablet, a laptop, and a desktop (hooked up to an external monitor, keyboard/mouse) and GNOME works seamlessly in all three form factors
>>102089363>bunch of unix cultist discovered the filesystem is a mess so they created fake revisionist myths like the "unix system resources" meme to give the impression unix is a perfect design instead of a hack in top of a hackThat's what it means.
>>102105768He's still a fat retarded faggot?He's driving people away from gnome desktop which is still a win for me btw so I don't really care either way because it means more people can use a good linux desktop for once
>>102108863GNOME is the good DE, though. The rest is disposable.
>>102108917More cope postingName one major entity that still wants to work with gnome at this point besides redhat?
>>102108978>major corporateI don't give a fuck. Do you need Bill's permission to install a desktop environment on your own goddamn computer?
>>102099933Bussi is a fan of demon dice.He picked her for his example music on the Amberol gnome page.
>>102109003But bill is one of the biggest funders of gnome.....You do know that don't you?
>>102109014Great. I don't care. You seem to, though.
Can GNOME go one day without being embarrassing? Just one?
I use gnome because I have no choice nor say in the matter. That being said, it has never failed me.
>>102089111I've always used /opt for AppImages or other portable apps lol
>>102089056Go back.
>>102109025>gnome fag breaks down when presented with facts after spreading misinfoclassic
>>102109141What are you talking about, retard? I don't care that companies give GNOME money. It doesn't mean anything. If they all stopped funding them tomorrow I would continue using GNOME. You're the one who tried to make it out like corporate support actually means something, like you need corporate support for your desktop to be usable. You're stupid.
>>102089575Sometimes when I browse images I use a graphical file browser so I can see all the thumbnails at once, though my ranger config displays images in terminal so I default to that, depends what I'm doing.
>>102109168All that babble, I'm not reading that shit. Take your meds and fuck off retard.
>>102109183Reinstall Windows or kill yourself.
>>102109206Cope fat schizoCope
>>102089312this happened to me once lol
>>102101999what do those folders even mean? ive always wondered.
>>102109854Local is the data/config/whatever you call it of the programs, that are meant to be stored locally.Roaming is the same, but on the caveat that it can be synchronized with other PCs.But the thing is, many devs don't follow this convention, sometimes it's on Roaming, sometimes it's on Local. Even some programs that have no business of being online put their settings on Roaming. Why the fuck does Aegisub, put its settings on Roaming? It's a fucking subtitle editor program, for god's sake.
>>102110023whats locallow for?
>>102110080That I don't know. It's Local but low integrity, whatever the fuck does that mean.
>>102110080>>102110161I looked it up and supposedly locallow just has a lower level of access, such as a web browser running in protected/safe mode that wouldn't be able to access the regular local
>>102092706>windows>consistencyretard
>>102089111whats the /nggr/ folder for???
>>102110247Stolen files
>>102111907KEK
>>102110247Slave devices
>>102101544Show me a linux desktop environment that isn't designed by weebs, furries or trannies.
>>102091091someone screenshot this and send to gnome folks
>>102091363>i still don't know what i'm allowed to do.?????
>>102115147even the og x11 people were weird nerdsturns out nerds know stuff. how odd.
>>102106437With Asahi using KDE as the default it would actually make a lot of sense for them to put the work into a layout that MacOS users would feel more comfortable in by default, to go along with the current Windows-like default layout. Especially with the global menu support and the frosted glass.
>>102105537ever heard of the find command, GUI-tard?
>>102116783It can be done, the problem is the global menu needs to be updated to be better than what it currently is.I use mac keybinds in my kde install so I'm all onboard with them having a setting that mirrors it. K runner makes the switch easy too.
