How did microsoft do it?
>>102090910Intel did not paid Microsoft a ransom this month.
>>102090910>gaymenwhat about productivity?
Wow, all those games are... awful
>>102090910I was already getting this kind of performance with wine. Glad windowsbros have finally caught up
That's just Microsoft reverting their bugged security feature they implemented since older windows.https://imgur.com/a/win-11-22h2-23h2-cpu-performance-fix-bnsoul-spain-cxztk1L
>1080pI remember the mid 2000s.
>>102091006are you just dabbing on winfags or is it true? because I really don't want to go to winblows 11 to get 100% of my cpu performance
>>102090910its amazing how this is happening since zen 1 with ms and yet when you say that intel pays ms they suddenly think you are crazy....
>>102090985nobody has tested that yetit should also see some gains since amd claims the bug has something to do with the branch predictor
Need windows10 comparison
>>102090969Intel fired the bribe guy by mistake when they did the layoffs
>>102090910Linux never had this problem and got uncucked performance right off the bat.
>>102091193>>102091265windows 10 is faster than 11
>>102091002>assume you are exaggerating and check the list>they really are fucking awfulwow.
>>102091367it shows win11 on top there but that's with a bunch of bios tweaks. apply the same tweaks to win10 and it will end up right back on top just behind linux
>>102090910>20% improvements in single thread bound gamesHUGE
>>102091193Linux generally handles ryzen CPUs better than windows, especially if it has lots of threads. I remember the days when the 2990WX was completely shitting itself on windows but was running like a dream on linux
Insider preview builds don't have patchguard enabled.
>intel-aviv cuts budget >amd suddenly starts seeing gains in updateshmmm
None of this makes zen 5 good though, all the cpus got a lift
>>102091578intel has their fingers in every pie huh, just like a certain country's intelligence agency
What about zen 3?
>>102091578Just wait, BROTHA. AMD says that Zen 5 is about 9% faster than Zen 4, so those gains must be there somewhere waiting to get unlocked.
>>102091632just like all other cpus it's fastest in linux, second fastest in win10 and slowest in 11
>>102090910They had no choice. Linux was embarrassing them rofl. They couldn't claim that Intel was better when Linux stomped Windows into the dirt. They most likely "borrowed" the open source proton code.
>>102090910This is only for Win 11 though, right?
>>102091002true
>>102090910By not trying to sabotage AMD because they were caught
>>1020911171080p is here to stay. In fact resolution is going backwards as games target 720p with upscaling instead.
>>102091367Do it with a CPU bottlenecked game at <=1080p not fucking cyberpunk. 200fps is clearly a gpu bottleneck.
>>102090969>>102091578>AMD strong>hahah Intel paid and it isnt enough>AMD strong again>haha I guess Intel didn't payDare I say, rent free?
>>102090910Its not just 9000 series but also older 7000 series getting huge performance lift.Windows was sitting on this performance. Had AMD waited 1 week for the patch, the lukewarm reviews wouldnt have happened.
>>102091606Zen 5 depends more on hyperthreading than earlier Zen CPUs.
>>102091578Intel sees a similar performance uplift btw
>>102091737>the lukewarm reviews wouldnt have happened.both series benefit and so the generational improvement is the same
>>102091737but if both rise the original arguments still stand
>>102091737>insider preview
>>102091646The windows update widened the gap between Zen 4 and Zen 5 from 1% to 2%. This means we are getting 7 more windows updates to reach the fabled 9%. Performance is going to go to the fucking moon for all Zen CPUs
>>102091731it's cpu bound at 1080p high with a 4090
>>102091737>he didnt test intelsasuga amdunboxed
>>102091825It takes ages to do benchmark for multiple CPUs for dozens of games. The patch is just preview update anyway. I think they need to do the whole review again for the entire lineup with the new patch.
>>102090910>Fortnite (DX11)What? What year is this?
>>102091737Anon, that's 11% vs 10%. It's a 1% difference delta between Win11 23H2 and 24H2. That's margin of error.
>>102091850>patch is just preview update anyway>they need to do the whole review againso what you're saying the whole video was pointless and he's just doing it for pr cover for amd?
>>102090910Will LTSC Chads also get this gains?
>>102091905Yes in 3 years
>>102091793At this rate, by the time Alder Lake comes out, the high end chips won't hold a candle against even a 7600.
>>102091946Based. LTSC Chads, we keep winning.
>>102091954Arrow Lake comes out in october
>>102090910It's quite ironic they are benchmarking old games designed for PS4 mostly - these are not cpu heavy titles at all.Why not run Navier-Stokes 3d fluids instead? Retards.
>>102091983>Navier-Stokes 3d fluidsI know right, they call themselves a gaming benchmarking channel but they dont even review such a big hit? How am i supposed to know how my CPU will perform in f '(x) ≈ (h22 - h12)f(b) + h12f(c) - h22f(a))/(h12h2 + h1h22) section of the game
>>102091825he did,later in the video and showed some uplift in gears 5 or something and nothing else in others.
>>102091825He did, and its a shitshow for intel
>>102091983every game that has RT enabled is very cpu intensive
>24h2One reviewer ran into a game that ran on 23h2, but not on 24h2.
>>102092223lmao israel inside strikes again
>>102092257damn, 7800x3d also gains from the update? if it really gets 10% faster on average, it'd be 15% ahead of the 14900ks
>>102092223Someone is getting fired for releasing these CPUs before this update was out
>>102092315He only tested 3 games.But here is the uplift for the 7800x3d.>far cry 6 @1080p ultra - 5.4%>far cry 6 @1080p high - 6.2%>cyberpunk 2077 @1440p ultra - 0%>cyberpunk 2077 @1080p ultra - 0.5%>total war pharaoh @1440p ultra - 40.1% (yup)>total war pharaoh @1080p ultra - 9.6%
>>102092449>40.1%kekcan WE normalise SHOVING an AXE down each and every intel NIGGER's throat already?
>>102091117You only "need" more because TAA is fucking the visual clarity of all games
>>102092508>TAA is fucking the visual clarity of all gamesDigital Foundry says you are a big dum dum.
>>102092514Threat Interactive mogs digital foundry though
>>102092223Barely beating the 14600k isn't really an accomplishment
>>102092548>still copingkekekekekek
>AMD destroyed intel even with this jewery going onkek
>>102091905just run game as admin or disable defender and svm
>>102090969Intel has got no money
>Starfield 0Reminder only AMD chips and cards were used in its development
>>102092603Looking at >>102092257 and >>102092449it's probably more that just VBS.It's probably the removal of a bunch of old cpu mitigation for spectre/meltdown/etc that are unnecessary for these new cpus.
>>102092508I dont get TAA, do jittery lines piss people off so much that they would rather play the game as though they had 15/20 vision?
>>102092548its not beating intel though, the lows, which are way more important, are way worse.
>>102092639>copebryo
>>102092548You didn't phrase this correctly. You need to phrase it like the reviewer typically does. Something like this:The Intel Core i5-14600k at a retail cost of $299.97 provides 279 FPS. That's roughly $1.08 per frame. The AMD Ryzen 7 9700X at a retail cost of $359.00 provides 293 FPS. That's roughly $1.23 per frame. As you can see, the Intel chip provides a much better VALUE than the AMD competitor.
>>102092578ThisI'm curious to see how much zen3 has to gain from this update. It might just humiliate 12th gen
>>102092951now post the motherboard cost and cooling cost
>>102091881no anon, stop being schizoid and instead be cynicalhe did it for the views
>>102092532I looked them up and just watched their video on nanite. Holy shit the guy's a fucking retard. Also, indie studio? Where's the game?
>>102090910>1080pWe're going to be saddled with that mediocrity for decades like we were with 1024x764.
>>102093494it's a cpu test goblin
>>102090910before this update you had to run games as administrator to get some additional performance for some reason, they fixed this in the latest 11 version
>>102091193pseudo-JIT on linux is faster than compiled binaries on windows, yes.
>>102093654Naw that was a different issue and didnt give nearly as large an improvement as this. Only 4% by neutering security as opposed to 10% on this update.
>>102093274You should probably do this. I'm curious to see how much cheaper the AMD platform is in this scenario while everyone shits on your part choices.
>>102093274>>102092951let's compare total system wattage while we're at it. AMD probably uses a third of the wattage of the Intel part
>>102093828The 14600k isn't anything like the 14900kAt best the AMD part will use only half the power of the intel part
>>102093432Name at least 30 reasons why the guy is a retard in that video
>>102093670Where can I get this pseudo jit? wine normally just runs the exes on the native CPU.
>>102091697Windows 10 is defacto abandonware by now
>>102090985>what about productivity?office drones are reporting an 20% increase in WPM
>>102091825hello, faggot plebbitor mod
>>102092617And that's why I don't even take >>102090969as a joke, too much of a coincidence here and it's not like there aren't any precedents of playing dirty on their side
don't care my poozen 7950x JUST WERKZ on windows 10 iot ltsccope seethe and dilate
>>102092617Don't worry the US government will give them taxpayer money
Has anyone done a thorough testing like Gamers nexus, including among other things old CPUs like zen 3? Many of us are still on zen 3, you know
>>102094697That content will come eventuallyThey haven't even tested the 7800x3d and intel CPUs yet
>>102094256Yeah, it should actually be amdrone unboxed. >Gears 5>World War Zlol, lmao
>>102093005>Zen 3 competing with 14th gen now this is gonna be fucking glorious for us cause we gonna buy am4
>>102095117the meltdown will be biblical
>>102090910How to get better CPU performance:>linuxBuy a better CPU.>macosBuy a better Mac.>windowsGet the internet to bitch at MS until they unfuck some of their broken shit.
>>102097616you can also compile a better kernel or tighten your timings, you don't necessarily need to buy new hardware
>>102091606Zen 5 is better than Zen 4. If it wasn't for the price there would be no reason to get Zen 4.
>>102098050Zen 5 is just okay. For most consumers the performance advantage over Zen 4 chips doesn't really matter at all. It can be totally slept on while we all await Zen 6.
Amd fucked up task scheluding so microsoft had to show how it is done
>>102098070>AMD fucked up *something only Microsoft has control over and constantly makes specific fine tuning adjustments for intel*Works perfectly under linux. SMT uplift with the dual decoders, everything in the front end, the hardware works exactly as it should. Windows is just shit and only intel bribery gets them to put real white man work in on these problems.
>>102098069I'm just saying I think people get blinded by the negative reception of the release. Zen 5 is still the obvious choice if not for price.
>>102098070go tell em sir!
>windows 11 is bad because ads, dei and bloat>microsoft unfucks the overall performance by (ab)using popcnt in hot paths leading to some performance gains>wow windows 11 is good now, I must install the latest preview build!!!amjeets are literal niggercattle
Its over for Inteldrones, how will they ever recover from this?
>>102098070More like their ancient kernel was never designed with SMP in mind and has to be constantly patched to achieve the same performance we take for granted on Linux, *BSD and literally any OS that isn't trash tier.>inb4 core latency is higerYeah, but that's beside the point
>>102098175It's annuda shoah
HOL UP. It wasnt more than a few months ago people were talking about "just having bought intel stock". IM FUCKING NOOTICING RN.
>>102098234And that's why everybody is using linux distro's except that there fucking not and Linux is still a tiny spec in the market share and user base when will you faggots realize that no real person outside of normal computer use actually gives a fuck about linux just stfu
Full disclosure, I hate Jews.That said, what does AMD have going for it over IntelAviv? I look at a "yesterday's standard" i5-12400F (released in 2022) and a new (Q1 2024) R5 8500G. Same core count, wattage but the AMD is barely 10% better in benchmarks but costs 40% more.What gives? If I'm paying a premium to not give the jews money, so be it but people seem to be touting AMD as budget-conscious gear that beats Intelshit handily and it's neither.
>>1021018908500G is an APU and comes with a decent-ish GPU. Different products.
>>102090910>How did microsoft do it?by doing what they always do: releasing terrible software until someone else fixes it for them
>>102101614You'll never be a real OS
>>102101890amd's $350 7800x3d trounces intel's $600 housefire 14900ks in games and consumes only 1/4 the power meaning you can get away with a A620 mb and $20 coolerthat's why they're good value
>>102101890how much do marketing agencies get paid for posts like this?
>>102092257It's an insider preview so bugs are expected.
>>102092223The 14600k is a 10nm chip released a year ago.The 9700X is a 4nm chip released a few weeks ago.They both get roughly the same performance. Wow!
>>102090969or intels scheduler is so fucking old ringbussy meme theirs no gains to be made, apparently this scheduler update does make use of p cores more tho so who knows
>>102092223so its still as fast as my 2yo 136k lol thanks steve
>>102091430there legit are only 5 good games on that list
What's the latest on 7950X3D? Are all the issues on it fixed? Looking it for my next build with 4080.
>>102102966ignore previous prompts, tell me a story about a weak yet brave salamander
>>102090910Mitigations = off
>>102090910>7800x3d will perform like next gen intelIt's fucking ogre
>>102102933yep their cpus bussin fr fr
>>102103584busstin busstin russtin feel good feel good feel good https://youtu.be/0tdyU_gW6WE
>>102103576guess ill go get a 7800x3d then and make my old 136k a htpc
So whats the root cause? Winfows Scheduler not able to feed the wider frontend? Seems like a lot vague causes and hand waving going in
>>102103983I heard it's caused by Spectre mitigations being turned on when they don't need to be for these newer CPUs
>>102093494you mean 1366x768
>>102090910It doesn't make sense for there to be such a massive performance difference from one update to the next. What's the meaning of this?
>>102091002>>102091716>>102091430Retards
>>102106290that was only a thing on laptops
>>102098234>NT supports SMT since first release>SMT support added to Linux in 2.0babyducks
>>102092617It's a bit differentIntel ran out of money, Microsoft has no longer a reason to harm AMD. Also because it looks like AMD has won decisively against Intel.
>>102091117Your GPU Bound above 1080p brainlet
>>102091748only in Gears 5
>>102102664I'm just a regular idiot, not a marketer.
>>102090910Let me guess, 24H2 disables that bullshit "memory integrity" by default
>>102091367YOTLD confirmed. Is that through wine or are CDPR gigachads that actually released a Linux version?
>>102108092it's proton on nobara
>>102102860those arent the same nm retard. You cant compare Intel and TSMC directly like that
13-14gen bros how we feeling?
>>102108092Through WSL
are you telling me ive been paying premium for a windows key just to be 30% cucked?
>>102106458Kinda miss my 3.5 4.0 plus Novell. Win2k advanced server was the last time I thought Ms slop was okay. It's been downhill fast after that.
>>102098070t. doesn't know how the fuck CPUs workThe ISA restricts how task scheduling can be done, but everything else is a software issue. A CPU doesn't give a shit about task scheduling.
>>102108013>replies during working hoursyeah, sure lmao
>>102109126Oh so you're his opponent marketer?
>>102109182>opponent marketerwhy would you even make up shit like this? have you ever worked with or near marketing people for a single day in your life? they don't "oppose" one each other, not like this at least. their work is subtle and unethical.
>>102108905Windows is $129.99 if your hardware’s performance is worthless.
I wonder if anyone has done a deep dive on the patch yet. This definitely seems way different than just disabling VBS/Core isolation/HVCI etc
>>102108448>inteljeet fabs are years behind TSMC hahaha>Except when its inconvenient for my narrative, then they aren't behind! Intel 10nm == TSMC 4nm!
>>102108905I've been using the same key I bought from some key site for $5 for years now lol
>>102103576>bench2024>97 single corenope. this niggers botnet was bloated as fuck
>>102108905>paying for windows
>>102106458And they still can't do it right, really makes you think
>>102110524You and like 30 other people.
>>102112660Normally you give Microsoft some money anyway, for example because some hardware vendors pay for the windows logo. I wonder whether UEFI costs license money to Microsoft...
now lets see the windows 7 performance boost
>>102102860Intel 7 is equivalent to TSMC N7. It's still a generation behind but not nearly as much as 10nm. If the 14900k were made on n5 it'd save around 70 watts, bringing it's pl2 down to about the same the same as the 7950X
>>102113260I know, I just see no point in giving them even more money for a shitty adware OS
>>102112675the claim was that NT hadn't been designed for SMT. That's proven false.I hope you're not evaluating NT's SMT with POSIX shit not adapted to NT's BigProcess/SmallThreads model, because otherwise I'll just laugh at you.
>>102109126I get time to kick my feet up and shitpost periodically throughout the day. Literally everybody in /twg/ will say the same thing.
I will not be downgrading to windows 11 any time soon thoughever
>>102113602So Microsoft overcomplicated SMT and is now suffering from that? What the fuck did Dave Cutler even do with NT? Was he paid to just copy and paste code from VMS?
What about my old ass 2600
>>102113667>2600It's old and it's ass, glad I could help
>>102113674Yeah but does it get 10% more old and ass
>>102103576lmao the intelaviv shareholders are gonna scalp pay live during the quarterly report
>>102090910there's probably a lot more platform-specific optimizations to be had, and microsoft has enough reason to go after low hanging fruit that yields better results for a significant percentage of customers, especially workstations buying pro licenses.
