Why people want to build decentralized services in centralized internet where ISP can take you down. To build decentralized services we need decentralized internet. How to do that?
Question: Are you stupid?
>>102108853Answer: Yes
Hmm there are no protocols like this, there is lora but lora would work only in some places where a lot of people live and the data transfer is really low. Not doable, Jews won its over
>>102108778>>102108853>>102108860>>102108871Already exists, you can hide IPs in i2p if you really need it (like you live in a dictatorship).
>>102108895There are more solutions, like Briar which has the ability to send messages through bluetooth or LAN
>>102108778decentralized internet requires decentralized infrastructure and setting that up is hard and expensivenobody does that without a specific goal in mind (like internal communication in an organization)it's just easier and (mostly) sufficient to send encrypted data through the centralized internet
>>102108778> retard forgets that p2p existsdid you forget that you were retarded?>we need decentralized internet. How to do that?build your own networks. have a fucking guess where that leads to? you got it, retard: centralization. because, this may be a surprise to you, but bandwidth and computing resources aren't free. someone has to pay for it.
>>102108970briar is completely inadequate unless you're surrounded by faggots that also run it. many people aren't that fucking retarded to leave bluetooth switched on due to its shocking level of vulnerabilities.
>>102109146morons on this website truly believe if you add "decentralized" to any technology then somehow - like magic - the costs and infrastructure of it all will just appear out of thin air just to benefit a tiny minority of schizos who will no doubt abuse the living shit out of such a network.
>>102108778This has been tried many times and failed. Some tried to mesh Tinc VPN's but it only takes one idiot or group of idiots to destroy the whole thing and there is always a group of idiots. Mastodon tried this but it just attracted all the mentally unstable and exposed big groups of kiddo diddlers. People have built wireless meshes but those are more ghost towns than small self hosted altchans. There are altchans but they are either ghost towns, or start to get popular and then shills that monitor this site will use scripts to automatically poison+report them to get them cancelled. In my experience the best you can do is build a tiny group of like minded people and use private altchans, private chat and private sftp servers run by people with decent opsec. Even that will eventually fall apart but it's a start.
>>102109177>build your own networksIts then centralized to you
>>102109262it's centralized for everyone, you stupid cunt.
>>102109266Hey smartie, you cant create your own so stfu
>>102109256>Mastodon tried thisthey did no such thing. their extreme faggotry they refer to as "federation" is nothing more than centralization over more systems.> and exposed big groups of kiddo diddlers>exposedlmao. how are they "exposed" if they have public mastadon pages? i like how they publish lists of banned pages so i can see for myself why they are banned and going by what i've seen over the last few years, that system has been abused by people just so they don't have to carry pages they don't like. is that what you called "exposed"?>>102109304> plz contribute your time and skills in helping deranged schizophrenics that can't code to trade child porn and shill communismconsider suicide.
>>102109314>is that what you called "exposed"?They allow unfettered federation with instances run by glowies making it even easier than grabbing IP addresses from Cloudflare as they do here.
>>102109349> my schizophrenia is now realitypost proof or fuck off, nigger.
>>102109361>post proof or farkly off, aboutakum.No sar. I'm waiting for the entertaining part to pop.
>>102108778>>102108871>>102108970>>102109146>>102109266>>102109304>Why people want to build decentralized internet in centralized market where hardware manufacturers can take you down. To build decentralized internet we need decentralized chip fabs. How to do that?>Why people want to build decentralized chip fabs in centralized state where government can take you down. To build decentralized chip fabs we need decentralized state. How to do that?muh decentralized thinking leads to infinite regress and paradox. Trust me, I used to be an freetard like you>>102108853>>102108860>>102108895>>102109177>>102109203>>102109251>>102109256>>102109262>>102109314Correct
>>102109380>infinite regresshow do you mean
>>102109380Absolutely idiotic but at least somewhat original bait on the surface
>>102109203>briar is completely inadequate unless you're surrounded by faggots that also run itThat is entirely incorrect as you can also message people through Tor. If you criticism is that it also requires other people to work, then fuck right off and tell me how you're gonna keep the internet infrastructure running all on your own.
>>102109314>plz contribute your time and skills in helping deranged schizophrenics that can't code to trade child porn and shill communismAre you stupid? Trannies can currently groom our children in centralized internet like discord or reality. The same with communism a lot of trannies and women is shilling it. So stop your invalid objections
>>102109513discord actually bans such things, unlike mastodon
>>102109314>their extreme faggotry they refer to as "federation" is nothing more than centralization over more systems.Complete retardation as you can easily create your own instance and federate with everyone and thorugh the usage of activity pub be federated with other non-mastodon instances
>>102109527>Tranny central bans trannies
>>102108778It's called a botnet, anon.Also, who's going to pay for the fellas that keep the fiber optic cables working?
>>102108778Setup a book club. That's your decentralized internet.
>>102109380>I used to be an freetard like youhello sir, I also do my part at spamming anti-linux threads I do needful yes?
>>102109446>regress (noun)> the action of returning to a former or less developed state.> a series of statements in which a logical procedure is continually reapplied to its own result without approaching a useful conclusion (e.g. defining something in terms of itself).I illustrated it in the greentext to which you replied. To have decentralized X you need decentralized Y on which X depends, but then you must also have decentralized Z on which Y depends, and so on forever. You'll never reach anything that can actually be implemented in the real world, because reality, upon which everything ultimately depends, fundamentally isn't decentralized because "decentralization" is a nonsensical concept.Despite its attmpts to dress itself up in the trappings of a logically coherent movement (eg, legal documents like software licenses, freedoms of XYZ, natural or civil or human or positive or negative or whatever rights, the NonAgressionPrinciple, etc), the push for "decentralization" or "democratization" is at its core an emotional reaction to a perceived lack of control. Freetards are basically the SovCits of technology.>>102109495>>102109894>doesn't address content
>>102110112>>doesn't address contentBecause it's retarded. We don't need decentralized chip fabs, but only FLOSS chips like the RISC-V architecture provides and the ability to test that. Everything beyond that is about infrastructure security, which is not our concern but that of companies and states, which are well equipped to handle it.
>>102110112https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy
>>102110327>FLOSS chips Why are you people still so keen on bringing communism to tech? You lost. Robotron is dead.
>>102110327"floss"its free software you fucking nigger, open source is corpo garbage>RISC-VDARPA botnetare you some kind of nigger who cant fab his own chips?
>>102110327>which is not our concern but that of companies and statesOh, so you still want to pay your ISP? You just think feds can't get into open source architectures? You're wrong, of course.
>>102109262Airchat.Really, radio is the only way to do it, and the government locks that down because they're faggots.
>>102109380>we need decentralized chip fabsArgument falls apart here. It's like saying we need to build our own hammers or the hammer manufacturers control the town we built.
>>102108778https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsukuku
>>102110407Bait>>102110429Yeah sorry, just FLOS then. >DARPA botnetLiterally open for anyone to look at, no darpa found>are you some kind of nigger who cant fab his own chips?Imagine making your own chips when you can pay some bug to do it for sub-cent monthly salaries>>102110437>Oh, so you still want to pay your ISP?Not really, thankfully we can easily use decentralized networks>You just think feds can't get into open source architectures?It's easier to keep them out, revert their malicious changes and spot them. None of that can be done with monolithic corporate products.
>>102110327Your chips will be obsolete and insecure, even moreso if the manufacturer decides to actively sabotage you. So the people you were worried about taking you down will still be able to take you down. Not that they'd care to because who'd want to use your janky tech in the first place?>>102110358Ok plebian>>102110486>the hammer manufacturers control the town we builtThey would on a long enough timescale. If you can't hammer nails once the hammers break, the town will fall apart. This happens fast enough to be a problem with sufficiently advanced tech. Vulnerabilities are constantly being discovered and patched. At best, your town will be stuck in the past while other towns get nailguns and AI robot workers. No sane person would use dialup today, regardless of if it were FLOSS.
>>102110680its free software>no darpa foundkek risc-v is darpa funded botnet, the are already planning the security coprocessor>when you can pay some bug to do it for sub-cent monthly salariesyou will own nothing
>>102110799>No sane person would use dialup today, regardless of if it were FLOSSOur insane asylums are decentralized so we don't have to worry about that.
>>102110799>So the people you were worried about taking you down will still be able to take you downYou don't get what it's about. They could kill me this minute. The point is making it harder for them to do so. >kek risc-v is darpa funded botnet, the are already planning the security coprocessorJust like the internet, so feel free to log off>you will own nothingYou own nothing except meds for your paranoia
>>102108778if you build the right kind of decentralized services it's impossible for your isp to know which services you are user or to know that you are hosting said services. It's been mentioned here, but i2p is similar to tor that it's almost impossible to track you, but so far building anything for http/s is a meme as web browsers are fingerprintable. IRC is a good example of a decentralized service, although not encrypted by default, you can connect to a server that acts as a bouncer for many people, then connecting to another server via the bouncer (similar to a proxy)
