Discussion of free and open source text-to-image modelsPrevious /ldg/ bread : >>102116944>Beginner UIEasyDiffusion: https://easydiffusion.github.ioFooocus: https://github.com/lllyasviel/fooocusMetastable: https://metastable.studio>Advanced UIAutomatic1111: https://github.com/automatic1111/stable-diffusion-webuiComfyUI: https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUIForge: https://github.com/lllyasviel/stable-diffusion-webui-forgeInvokeAI: https://github.com/invoke-ai/InvokeAISD.Next: https://github.com/vladmandic/automaticSwarmUI: https://github.com/mcmonkeyprojects/SwarmUI >Use a VAE if your images look washed outhttps://rentry.org/sdvae>Model Rankinghttps://imgsys.org/rankings>Models, LoRAs & traininghttps://civitai.comhttps://huggingface.cohttps://aitracker.arthttps://github.com/Nerogar/OneTrainerhttps://github.com/derrian-distro/LoRA_Easy_Training_Scripts>Fluxhttps://huggingface.co/spaces/black-forest-labs/FLUX.1-schnellhttps://comfyanonymous.github.io/ComfyUI_examples/flux>Pixart Sigma & Hunyuan DIThttps://huggingface.co/spaces/PixArt-alpha/PixArt-Sigmahttps://huggingface.co/spaces/Tencent-Hunyuan/HunyuanDiThttps://huggingface.co/comfyanonymous/hunyuan_dit_comfyuiNodes: https://github.com/city96/ComfyUI_ExtraModels>Index of guides and other toolshttps://rentry.org/sdg-linkhttps://rentry.org/rentrysd>GPU performancehttps://vladmandic.github.io/sd-extension-system-info/pages/benchmark.htmlhttps://docs.getgrist.com/3mjouqRSdkBY/sdperformance>Try online without registrationtxt2img: https://www.mage.spaceimg2img: https://huggingface.co/spaces/huggingface/diffuse-the-restsd3: https://huggingface.co/spaces/stabilityai/stable-diffusion-3-medium>Maintain thread qualityhttps://rentry.org/debo>Related boards>>>/h/hdg>>>/e/edg>>>/c/kdg>>>/d/ddg>>>/b/degen>>>/vt/vtai>>>/aco/sdg>>>/u/udg>>>/trash/sdg
>>102120545ty baker
>>102120597>words words wordsagi, please summarize this for me in less than 4 words
>>102120597>asking the lefty AI about economics
>>102120609
>>102120616Just want to point out how obvious the anti trust case is and yet nobody wants to touch it.
>>102120597but it already is happening>US launches antitrust probe into Nvidia over sales practices, The Information reports>https://www.reuters.com/technology/nvidia-faces-us-doj-probe-over-complaints-rivals-information-reports-2024-08-02/
>>102120640>but it already is happeningOh thank god.
Imagine thinking breaking up NVIDIA is good for local coomers in any way.
>>102120616that's the point, even the lefty AI thinks it's fucked up, meaning they really went far into the monopoly scam scheme
>>102120651>What do you mean you want the chip making coming to face consequences for its anti competition practices and bring competition for the market!?
>>102120651we're not asking to break Nvdia, it's not Nvdia's fault the others simply suck, to break their monopoly we need to rise up to their levels, and we can't count on AMD for that, that's for sure
>>102120597>industry
>>102120661As a laissez-faire capitalist I don't care about "anti competition practices" unless it involves violence.
>>102120661this, and I'm surprised the US still hasn't done anything yet to make them eat dirt, I swear to god if Trump would promise to fuck that chink in the ass for his anto competition practices if he becomes president I'll be voting for him
>>102120690I care because a company that has monopoly has by definition a lot of money, and with a lot of money you have a lot of powers, and with that money and power you can bribe politiciens, and bribing politiciens is legal in the US, so basically a company who has Monopoly rules the country, and I don't find this ok at all
>>102120713Don't see how that's a reason to make the company poorer instead of making the government have less power.
>>102120727so you're a "laissez faire capitalist" that wants the government to have less power? they already don't have much, they are controlled by big companies already
https://reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1f36wh7/cogvideo_5b_videotovideo_test/So it can do video to video but not image to video? that's BULLSHIT
>>102120736>they already don't have muchlmao>they are controlled by big companies alreadyokay then they are the de facto government and the point still stands, you don't attack the company, you attack the government
>>102120749>you don't attack the company, you attack the governmentelaborate on that, how attacking the government is gonna decrease the Nvdia card prices?
>>102120758who said I want to decrease NVIDIA card prices? they are not mine to decide the price of
What drives a man to unironically shill for NVIDIA? The second a viable alternative appears I will throw my 3090 into the nearest river.
>>102120767>who said I want to decrease NVIDIA card prices?then what do you want to attack the government for?
>>102120775this, I don't get people enjoy buying shit that is 10 times more expensive than the real price it should have
>>102120776>then what do you want to attack the government for?You're literally talking to Jensen Huang. That is the only perspective where this dude's arguments make sense.
>>102120775No one is shilling. I'll buy what is best available.>>102120776I'm a laissez faire capitalist.
>>102120792>I'll buy what is best available.Do you know how a monopoly works and what happens if they're left to fester?Trust busting isn't new.
>>102120792>trusting Monopoly companies more than their mothersholy cult
>>102120788>the real price it should haveIt's funny how lefty 4chan goes when it is something they care about.There is no "real price", retard.>>102120804>Do you know how a monopoly works and what happens if they're left to fester?They die. Name one monopoly that didn't use violence and lasted any significant amount of time.
>>102120815>They die.And why do they die, anon?
>>102120815>There is no "real price", retard.oh there is retard
>>102120825Competition. Now answer my question.
>>102120815>Name one monopoly that didn't use violence and lasted any significant amount of time.Nvdia, it's been 20 years and counting they're fucking in the ass right now, and there's no sign of slowing down, they never made as much money as this year actually, I think I'll die of old age before seeing them fall
>>102120833they aren't a monopoly if they have competition
>>102120840that's the thing, they have zero competition, that's why Nvdia is a monopoly
>>102120849yes that is my point
>https://civitai.com/models/689331/convenience-store-cctv-or-flux1-dev>This is the first Lora I have ever trained.>I'm quite happy with the results so far and I'll keep working on it to learn how to improve LoRas.>It is trained on 450+ frames from different convenience store CCTV recordings as seen on the news.>The Dataset is annotated in great detail - i've read some blog posts recently that seem to hint, that FLUX with the T5 encoder could work better without any annotation and only a trigger instead.>https://civitai.com/articles/6982>A lot more stuff to try out.
>>102120859who are you quoting?
The NVIDIA shill doesn't want to say it, but the only way competition is restored to the GPU marketplace is by hitting NVIDIA with an anti trust suit. Until that fact is acknowledge he will just talk in circles because his ideology does not allow for the hand of legislation in market regulation.
>>102120865https://www.reddit.com/r/FluxAI/comments/1f35fue/some_proper_realism_storecctv_lora_for_fluxdev/
>>102120871I also don't understand those "laissez faire capitalist", who want to buy their product 10 times the price when it could be in reality way less expensive, I think they are masochistic or something if they enjoy bleeding money so much while doing shopping
https://civitai.com/models/694013/ellen-page-flux?modelVersionId=776673LMAO
>>102120831No, there isn't, lefty retard.>>102120838>they never made as much money as this year actuallyGood for them.>>102120840Anon, are you okay? Do you need an explanation on how time works and how things change over time?>>102120871>but the only way competition is restored to the GPU marketplace is by hitting NVIDIA with an anti trust suitThings aren't true just because you claim them to be.I'm not shilling for NVIDIA, retards, I'll go to AMD/Intel/whoever if they have the better product for my use case.AMD has the better product in the gaming entry range for example.>>102120898You're retarded, you think there is a "real price". There is no such thing.I recommend you guys go read the chapter about monopolies in Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell.
>>102120898Just an example of cutting off your nose to spite your face while being completely ignorant they directly benefit from the results of previous anti trust legislation.There's also some false assumption that being in favor of such legislation would make them a "communist" or some other epithet when in reality, the US, the practical home of capitalism is more than happy to break apart monopolies on a regular basis.
>>102120933>You're retarded, you think there is a "real price". There is no such thing.of course there is a real price, if someone pays 15 cents to make a bread, you don't sell it 1000 dollars, unless you want everyone to die of starvation, with your logic, you wouldn't mind the price of food to be too expensive for everyone and have a fucking genocide because "hey I'm a laissez faire capitalist"go fuck yourself you retarded monkey
>>102120933Why should any market tolerate a monopoly? The only person who benefits from an absolute monopoly is the monopoly itself,
>>102120933why do you suck Nvdia's dick so hard? You enjoy paying a gpu card 10000 dollars when it reality it could be 10 times less? the fuck is wrong with you debo?
>>102120954>10000I like how this reads like a fake number, but that's actually the cheaper end for anything over 24gb.
>>102120933>I'll go to AMD/Intel/whoever if they have the better product for my use case.it won't happen, they are controlled oposition so that Nvdia doesn't get fucked in the ass by anti trust lawshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HZ2pwJU6Gg
>>102120933>Anon, are you okay? Do you need an explanation on how time works and how things change over time?why would you even let it happen in the first place? how would having a monopoly ever benefit us
>>102120949>Why should any market tolerate a monopoly? The only person who benefits from an absolute monopoly is the monopoly itself,this, all a monopoly does is fucking the citizens in the ass, who would want something like that?
>>102120859>50 steps 2000 epochsWhat?
>>102120934>while being completely ignorant they directly benefit from the results of previous anti trust legislationDo I?I also benefit from the company having shits load of money to spend on the very thing that is making them money: AI hardware.>>102120947>you don't sell it 1000 dollarsSure you do, if someone buys it for that much.You are mad AND a lefty retard. There is no real price.>>102120949>The only person who benefits from an absolute monopoly is the monopoly itselfWrong. Next.>>102120954I already said I'll buy the best product. I don't care if it is NVIDIA or AMD or Intel.>>102120971Okay.>>102120978>>102120982I'm benefiting from what NVIDIA has done in the AI space. Are you not?Again, go read the chapter on monopolies in Basic Economics.
>>102120990>I'm benefiting from what NVIDIA has done in the AI space. Are you not?you're not benefiting anything, you're buying an overpriced card and you seem happy about that, you're the literal definition of a retard
Can you guys take it to the previous thread?
>>102121013really? anon, take a minute, think things through, you're too worked up about this and not being rational.
>>102121013he's just trolling, pay him no mind
>thread theme
>>102120990>I also benefit from the company having shits load of money to spend on the very thing that is making them money: AI hardware.NIVIDIA doesn't develop the software that runs on their cards, the only on cards that work with their API which researchers use to run their models. If NVIDIA lost ownership over CUDA it would immediately alleviate the price of GPUs across the entire market and level the playing field. That's only a good thing.>Wrong. Next.Elaborate.Just so you know, shilling for NVIDIA on 4chan won't earn you a free 5090 for the effort. You gotta pay the "Not real price" too.
>>102121025they turned me BLACK??! those monopolies have GONE TOO FAR!
>>102121017Man, there is nothing I hate more than people who can't tolerate lively discussion in these threads. It's the one thing that separates us from /sdg/.
>>102120990you do realize that when a company has a monopoly, it has zero incentive on improving their product further (hello Apple), and they also have zero incentive on making their product cheap enough to the masses (hello Nvdia), having a monopoly doesn't benefict anyone, when you're in this state the whole world is depending on one simple company, they control everything, that's why real competition matters, competition brings innovation because they don't have other choice but to appeal to their users again
i wish there was a monopoly on slop gens so i wouldn't have to see them everywhere
>>102121029>If NVIDIA lost ownership over CUDA it would immediately alleviate the price of GPUs across the entire market and level the playing field. That's only a good thing.the worst part is that AMD tried to make CUDA work on their gpu cards, but someone they decided to give up when the dev was onto the right track of doing it, curious coinscidence :^)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HZ2pwJU6Gg
Are you a sigmoid chad or a shift virgin? Only LoRA trainers need respond.
>>102121024>every opinion I don't like is from a troll>>102121029AMD having CUDA support still would make them slower than NVIDIA but as a laissez-faire capitalist I'm all for shitting on intellectual property and giving NVIDIA the middle finger when they try to stop you.>>102121051>you do realize that when a company has a monopoly, it has zero incentive on improving their product further I do not realize that because it is not true.>(hello Apple)What monopoly does Apple have? lmao>and they also have zero incentive on making their product cheap enough to the masses And you have zero incentive to sell your shit at the lower than market price, what's your point exactly?>having a monopoly doesn't benefict anyoneI'm benefiting right now. When AMD has the monopoly I'll benefit as well. As long as no violence happened to create the monopoly odds are I'm benefiting from it.
>>102121106>I'm benefiting right now.again, you're not benefiting on buying an overpriced card>When AMD has the monopoly I'll benefit as well. again, AMD is a controlled opposition so that Nvdia doesn't get anti trust laws into its ass, do you listen to our arguments or are you just parroting your weird takes like an autist?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HZ2pwJU6Gg
>>102121106>I do not realize that because it is not true.are you a retard? why a company that has monopoly would want to improve its product further? they know they can just keep reselling the same overpriced shit over and over again and just count the money, that's literally the definition of a monopoly, are you stupid or something? genuine question
>>102121125>again, you're not benefiting on buying an overpriced cardDefine "overpriced", I'll wait.>do you listen to our argumentsyes, they are weak>or are you just parroting your weird takes like an autist>takes I don't like are weird and autistic
>>102121089I'm a sigmoid idiot, as I just copypasted it without any clue what it does.
>>102121106>And you have zero incentive to sell your shit at the lower than market price, what's your point exactly?nvidia sets the market price, not the free market. they have a monopoly on gpus and can charge whatever they want for it. what can you do about it, switch to amd?
>>102121106>I'm benefiting right nowThis guy must own NVIDIA stock, a lot of it, that's the only reason someone could be this willfully ignorant of the realities of NVIDIA being a monopoly.
>>102121125So your theory is that Huang got Su appointed as AMD CEO by influencing AMD board. How does this work in practice and why the fuck would you name your kin as the sabotage CEO. Or did Su accidentally get appointed and then Huang called her? Please explain your theory in detail.
>>102121143>Define "overpriced", I'll wait.When a 24gb card (RTX 3090) cost 1000 dollars, and when a 48 gb card cost 10000 dollars, that's when you realize they don't even put lubricant to fuck you in the ass. You know the best part? Nvdia don't allow you to use the RTX 3090 to train models, you are obligated to buy their overpriced 48gb cards to do any training, you wanted an evidence of violence, that's violence you masochistic nigger
>>102121106>I'm benefiting right now. When AMD has the monopoly I'll benefit as well.you'd benefit significantly more from fierce competition than monopolies. a monopoly would slow down progress by culling/controlling the competition
>>102121180explain why AMD decided to give up on making CUDA work on their cards, please explain your theory in detail.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HZ2pwJU6Gg
>>102121181>When a 24gb card (RTX 3090) cost 1000 dollarsthey're like 700, that's chirpy cheep are u poor fr?
>>102121194I see. You haven't looked into it at all. Beep bop they are related it's collusion done and dusted. Jensen just asked the AMD board to appoint Lisa and they just did it. What madmen.
>>102121106>I'm benefiting right now. When AMD has the monopoly I'll benefit as well.No one is benefiting anything from a monopoly, omfucking god? that's the worst setting, when a company has monopoly they can sell their product on a much higher price than when they are in competition, because in a monopoly we don't have other choice but to buy their card, they are fucking us in the ass during a monopoly, WHO THE FUCK WANTS THAT???
>>102121242so you think it's normal to you that AMD decided to hire one single man to do the most important job of the company, making CUDA work on their card, like if they managed to do that, they would literally break Nvdia monopoly, you'd think they would hire 75% of their staff to make it happen but nah, just one guy and when that guy managed to advance they decided to stop it there, but yeah, totally not a controlled oposition anon, sure...
Don't bother arguing with the NVIDIA shill, he is financially motived to argue in favor of NVIDIA being a monopoly for reasons I can only speculate on. He can only talk in circles and purposely avoids the core of the argument.
>>102121138no, are YOU stupid or something? take some time to think about it.>>102121149not really>>102121176I own no stock>>102121181>that's violence you masochistic niggerThere is no point addressing what you said before this. You actually mentally deficient.>>102121245I'm benefiting right now gening at home thus proving you wrong. If you think NVIDIA is overpriced please tell us the difference between the 1080 Ti and the 4080 Super and how much they cost adjusted to inflation. Go ahead.>>102121261>making CUDA work on their card, like if they managed to do that, they would literally break Nvdia monopolylmao no>>102121265I own no stock and I didn't avoid anything.
>>102121310>lmao nolmao yes, you mentally deficient monkey shill
>not reallyokay
>>102121316lmao you have no idea what you're talking about if you CUDA is all that is keeping AMD from matching NVIDIA in performace
>>102121310>There is no point addressing what you said before this.of course, because you have no counterargument, you know you are full of shit so you're just leaving the debate like the coward you are, not surprised by this at all debo
>>102121324>you have no idea what you're talking about if you CUDA is all that is keeping AMD from matching NVIDIA in performaceelaborate, what else than CUDA is keeping AMD out of the AI race?
>>102121310>not reallyyes really
Can you guys start your own thread about this and lets focus on diffusion?
It might be possible for the model to learn details by setting discrete flow shift to less than 1 when using sampling shift.Anyone willing to try this?
>>102121310>noyou know you need to elaborate your arguments, right? simply saying "no you're wrong" isn't an argument, you know this debo right?
>>102121365Is the reality of the fact you're overpaying for silicon ruining your enjoyment of 1 girl posting. You can go to /sdg/ if you just want to spam images and give each other hand jobs.
>>102121372>It might be possible for the model to learn details by setting discrete flow shift to less than 1 when using sampling shift.>Anyone willing to try this?what is sampling shift? it's a parameter you can adjust during the training process?
>>102120745I don't have the patience to test out their offering frankly. And by what i've seen on reddit, the only decent 1girls you are going to get will be chinese, so yeah without img2vid it's another useless proof-of-concept tool that will be forgotten in a week.They should have bothered to check what happened to other txt2vid stuff, but no, socially inept devs do it again.Bravo! /s
>>102121330it's because you think it is violence, this makes you a retardnow show us evidence that NVIDIA doesn't let you train on 3090s or shut the fuck up forever>>102121341They just don't have the same performance, fuck else do you need to know? You don't need CUDA to benchmark the performance.>>102121361Not really.>>102121377make menot debo btw
>>102121386I have no idea, it was one of the sampling methods for training that's unique to Flux. Kohya is keeping sigmoid as the default because that's what everyone else is doing, but he seems to really like shift sampling.
>>102121381You flooding the thread with a long derail is.
>>102121419>it's in the EULAwake me up when a court enforces it
>>102121399>it's because you think it is violence, this makes you a retard>now show us evidence that NVIDIA doesn't let you train on 3090s or shut the fuck up foreverhttps://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/nvidia-updates-geforce-eula-to-prohibit-data-center-use/Thanks to this, we cannot use GeForce cards (3090/4090) to make a data center, how convenient is that? Now we are forced to pay their overpriced 10000 dollars card to do any serious pretraining :D
>>102121431wait, you think the multi billion company won't sue your ass if you decide to make a data center full of 3090's? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>102121440are you illiterate?wake me up when a court enforces it
>>102121447Would we even hear about it if it was enforced?
>>102121447they can make any rules about their cards, when you buy it you have to abide by their rules, that's literally the utopia of your "laissez faire capitalism" you're talking about
>>102121455if we don't hear about it is it being enforced?
These days google is closed sourcing all their research, but Bytedance and Alibaba are open sourcing.Something is happening.
>>102121447>wake me up when a court enforces itwhy would a court have to take a look at that? it's their cards they can make any rules about them, isn't capitalism beautiful?
anyone made a jason huang lora?
>>102121463>that's literally the utopia of your "laissez faire capitalism" you're talking aboutThat's... not it in any way shape or form.In my "utopia" best they could do is not sell to you anymore, as that is their prerogative. A EULA is not a contract.>>102121488Why wouldn't a court have to look at it? Are you fucking stupid? Don't talk to me ever again.
Does anyone have a good way to clean a random list. I downloaded the one associated with the dynamic prompts and it is full of trash. I am thinking of running through the list and generating a set of images. I just can't figure out how to make it brittle enough to produce garbage that I can see it. I normally need two bad hits to see it.
>>102121502>Why wouldn't a court have to look at it?because in a "laissez faire capitalism", a company can make any rules about their product, not happy about that? just don't buy it, you can look elsewhere... there's nothing elsewhere? TOUGH LUCK NIGGA, it's so beautiful how Nvdia is fucking us in the ass if you ask me
>>102121433dumb question(?) : what counts as a datacenter?
>>102121502>Why wouldn't a court have to look at it?wait, so for you, a company that sells a card 10 times the price it should have is cool, but prohibiting us to use 3090's to make a data center is where the line is crossed? your views aren't consistent anon, do you want the company to do whatever it wants in your "laissez faire capitalism" utopia or not?
>>102121521>because in a "laissez faire capitalism", a company can make any rules about their productHow excited are you for school to start next month!? What is it, 7th grade? You'll learn so many new things!
>>102121504>I have been treated by the owner of the store
>>102121531in a laissez faire capitalist society schools wouldn't exist, only sweatshops. get back to work wagie.
>>102121537ghandi if he black
>>102121531>How excited are you for school to start next month!? What is it, 7th grade?you should go back in there again, they taught you how to debate for example, because simply doing some ad-hominem and not counterargumenting isn't enough to win any
Is there a way to make a simple 4 frame walk cycle? It doesn't have to be perfect, I'm just looking for placeholders for gamedev
>>102121555checked>>102121557kool
>>102121528>wait, so for you, a company that sells a card 10 times the price it should have is cool, but prohibiting us to use 3090's to make a data center is where the line is crossed?My views are consistent, it's you who is having issue following the conversation.If NVIDIA wants to take action against you (to make you delete the models for example) based on the EULA terms then A court, pick one, would have to look at the EULA if they sue. Setting the price on a product you own is not taking action against another. Is that clear for you, you stupid retard?>>102121542hilarious>>102121551my argument is read a book
>>102121502>Why wouldn't a court have to look at it?why would you want a court to take a look at it? I thought you were all about letting all the freedom to companies, now you want to add some limits? doesn't really sound like the "laissez faire capitalism" you were talking about is it?
what is a laissez faire capitalist?
>>102121555In the absence of working controlnets, it unironically might be feasible to cut up a couple of examples of walk cycles into a four frame image and train a LoRA on it, then you could prompt a walk cycle in any genre you wanted.
>>102121577>what is a laissez faire capitalist?it's basically letting the company doing whatever it wants, for example if Nvdia wants to sell their Nvdia 3090 15000 dollars, in debo's "laissez faire" utopia, that's totally cool
>>102121527I dug a little because I was curious. It seems any enterprise deployment targeting X as a service. Blockchain stuff is totally allowed which is an interesting carve out.
>>102121557nice
>>102121572If you think "all the freedom to companies" means the freedom for them to force you how to use your own property then you've been arguing with a straw man you made up in your head this whole time.
>>102121566>then A court, pick one, would have to look at the EULA if they sue.you'll pay for the lawyer's fees or you'll let me take the risk against the multi billion dollar company all by myself?
>>102121599so you agree with me that Nvdia forcing us to only use their overpriced 48gb cards and not a 3090 to make a data center is bad? at least we have something we can agree on
>>102121599>freedom for them to force you how to use your own propertythey already can do this in today's society with government regulation there to stop them from going overboard. who's going to stop them in a lasagna fair society?
>>102121589Should you not be allowed to sell your used 3090 for 15000 dollars on ebay?>>102121604No.
>>102121590Yeah it seems like people can get 4090's and use them for finetuning as much as they want, just don't call it a data center
>>102121616>No.why not? if you're so sure that their EULA rules don't mean shit in court, we'll make big bucks if we win, so why not investing on the lawyer's fees, it's not much when you consider the winning price at the end, are you scared of something?
>>102121629>we'll make big bucks if we winThen you can find lawyers to represent you no problem.
>>102121637you can have half of the big bucks if you buy for the lawyer's fees initially, how about that? you don't like money? I'm giving you a chance to be rich, after all, their EULA rules won't hold up in court, 100% sure, you said it, must be true, let's go dude, we'll be rich!
>>102121652NTA but what big bucks?
>>102121652I want you to have all the money you win, anon, just to prove a point.
>>102121684so you're the one who is 100% sure that if you argue against Nvdia on court about the EULA rules, you'll win, but I'm the one who has to take the risk to prove your theory? LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
What are these anons even argueing about? Who says what when where on how to use a GPU? The only limitation I head existed for consumer GPUs is in China (see 4090D)
>>102121706>Who says what when where on how to use a GPU?herehttps://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/nvidia-updates-geforce-eula-to-prohibit-data-center-use/
flux outpainting fix WHEN???
>>102121696No, I said I'll care when it is enforced. How often do you see EULAs enforced, anon.Also see how you had to pretend there is money in it (winning a suit) as some form of bait, so weird.
thought, ideas flow,
>>102121721>No, I said I'll care when it is enforced. How often do you see EULAs enforced, anon.Why would you care? You don't want companies to enforce their full freedom on your "laissez faire" utopia?>Also see how you had to pretend there is money in it (winning a suit) as some form of bait, so weird.Yes? It's called compensation
>>102121721>How often do you see EULAs enforced, anon.So you want someone else to pay the lawyers fees to prove your point, that's a bit cowardy of you debo if you ask me
>>102121721idiot post
>EULApffffffftAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
>>102121752>Why would you care? You don't want companies to enforce their full freedom on your "laissez faire" utopia?How the fuck is that THEIR full freedom you imbecilic maggot.>Yes? It's called compensationCompensation for what, you're so out of your depth here you don't even know what you're arguing about.>>102121761My point? It is that anon's point that what is in the EULA matters. Pay attention, retard.>>102121769bait
depression
>>102121711this >>102121781that EULA is nearly unenforceable by EU law
>>102121788>How the fuck is that THEIR full freedom you imbecilic maggot.you're dumb or something? if a company has full freedom of their product, they also have the freedom to force you how to use their product>My point? It is that anon's point that what is in the EULA matters. Pay attention, retard.the fuck you talk about you stupid nigger? you're the one claiming that the EULA rules won't get enforced, you're talking out of your ass and you're a fucking pussy to wait for someone else to take the risk on court against that multi billion dollar company so that your point if proven
>>102121801or US law
>>102121801>>102121801>that EULA is nearly unenforceable by EU lawthen why we have the huge number of 0 data centers made with 3090's or 4090's? why a company like Meta would buy the 10000 dollars gpus when they could buy the 1000 dollar gpus for example?
>>102121808>you're dumb or something? if a company has full freedom of their product, they also have the freedom to force you how to use their productAnon could you take an IQ test and come back to us with the results? Thanks.>>102121825Maybe there are differences between you're too much of a brainlet to understand you fucking nincompoop?
>>102121835>Maybe there are differences>Maybe talking out of his ass again, typical debo
>>102121841You're ESL, aren't you?
>>102121846
>>102121801exactly.. look at this>>102121809>https://www.nvidia.com/en-eu/geforce/geforce-experience/license/the EU license does not mention the word data centerthe US license does>https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/geforce-license/>>102121825>then why we have the huge number of 0 data centers made with 3090's or 4090's?cause money don't matter at that scale anyhow, also NVidia cucked 4xxx series in a hardware way by removing NVlink, and 3090s are ancient tech for a state of the art data center now
>>102121846So you're just going to avoid the subject like that? Answer the question, retard, why are there no data centers made of 3090?
>>102121872If I have to explain it to you there is no point, the data on the differences between 3090s and A100s/H100s/DGXs is out there. Go educate yourself.
>>102121890>If I have to explain it to you there is no pointSo you have no arguments, looks like I win, nice.
>>102121899My argument is very clear, go read the differences between consumer cards and enterprise cards.
>>102121869If Nvdia knows that their EULA rules can't be enforced, and that companies can't make anything out of their 3090's and 4090's anyway, then why did they make those rules in the first place?
>>102121904>My argument is very clearSo clear that there's none here, if by clear you mean transparent, then yeah it's completely clear.
>>102121908scare tactics I'd guess .. even the idea of a legal battle will make some just bite the sour apple and shelf out the extra money..
>>102121935So it has the effects Nvdia wanted at the end
>>102121825>then why we have the huge number of 0 data centers made with 3090's or 4090's?atleast the university cluster I worked with a few years back used 3090s here in EU .. but I guess NVidia won't go after research institutes
>>102121908Because it matters for business to business relationships. If NVIDIA sees you using 3090s they are free to not do business with you again and the EULA informs you of that. You don't care about that if you're a consumer. NVIDIA doesn't need to go to court to do something they already can do: deny you business based on their rules.Surely you're not against businesses deciding who to interact with, surely you don't want to be forced to sell wedding cakes to trannies.>>102121921You didn't look it up, did you? Why are you afraid of being informed on the differences between consumer and enterprise cards?
>>102121948Your university has some balls anon, a legal battle against Nvdia would probably cost millions in lawyers' fees
>>102121976>Surely you're not against businesses deciding who to interact with, surely you don't want to be forced to sell wedding cakes to trannies.the difference is that there's a lot of cake makers, but there's only one good GPU company, you don't have other choice but to suck Nvdia dick, or else you can say goodbye to your AI researsh
>>102121998>>102121976samefag
>>102121976>Why are you afraid of being informed on the differences between consumer and enterprise cards?you claimed there's a reason why there's zero data centers made out of 3090's, therefore you are the one with the burden of proof, can't believe you're so retarded you don't know this simple concepthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
>>102121980but also very bad publicity for NVidia, my guess is they turn a blind eye to any research related deployment of consumer cards and only go for commercial data centers with their hitmen
>>102121998Enterprise AMD cards with lots of VRAM are in stock, anon.>>102122010>le burden of proofAgain, if I have to explain it to you there is no point explaining it to you. The information is out there, you know there are differences between consumer and enterprise cards yet you dismiss them to hold on to your stupid point. The burden is now on you to show the differences aren't significant enough to make enterprises choose enterprise cards.>>102122007I love how the schizo spreads.
>>102122032why are you thread derailing?
>>102122011>but also very bad publicity for NVidiaas if they care about that, they have the Monopoly, everyone hate Nvdia because of their overpriced GPUs already, their rep is bad they don't give a fuck lol
>>102122058they care, not cause of their image, but cause of their stock price
>>102122032>Enterprise AMD cards with lots of VRAM are in stock, anon.lol
Leave the poor data center alone big bad wolf!
>>102122154>>102122086Amazing. Catbox?
I'm beginning to question if you even need that big of a dataset to train a model from scratch. I wonder if there's insane bloat. Maybe all you really need is 20 images x number of concepts/styles/subjects (yes still a lot).
TWO Morena LoRAs popped up at the same time today, time to do some comparisons. My dim 32 WIP is like 300mb, theirs are like 20 or 30mb, are there other ways to shrink the final size than just dimension?
>>102122434>I wonder if there's insane bloat. Maybe all you really need is 20 images x number of concepts/styles/subjects (yes still a lot).would be hard to classify all the concept into 20 images, there's hundreds of millions of concepts
>>102122531I don't believe there's hundreds of millions of concepts, at least not without going hyper specific. I think of it as things you would encounter from childhood to today. Every concept you are exposed to in early childhood to what you learn in school to watch you watch on TV. In this thought exercise, I would consider what would be chapter in a history book a concept. And it's not about cataloguing the entire possible human experience in a model including that one time in 1997 when you had that specific brand of sucker that's now discontinued.
>>102122615I agree, we've probably seen maybe 10% of the total concepts in our lifetime, but how are we gonna manually filter the ones that are relevant and the one that are not, we're talking about billions of pictures there
>>102122637You probably think of it in the same way as if you were going to teach a baby from baby to adulthood how to be a functioning human.
>>102120797wow these are great anon
>>102122730Thanks making cunny right now
>>102120597Now ask if it can guess what companies you are talking about. Would be funny if it "guessed" right.
>>102122740
>>102122730ty!
>>102123062>Left Overtrained>Middle?>RightUndertrained
>>102123062that's some hot coffee
>>102123062>Leftslop>Middlesovl>Rightslop
Middle one performed better this time, used one of its example image prompts to give it a lil more advantage
>>102123062>>102123222What are you showing here?
>>102123222Left is the best, but blurry likely some bad images in the datasetMiddle isn't goodRight just looks like a generic flux 1girl with that nose and buttchin
>>102120597Governments are effectively owned by the corporations. Especially those of "democratic" and "free market" countries.
>>102123266Two Morena Baccarin loras on civit this morning, plus mine that I trained with like 20 pics and no captioning. (Left) Mine's 300mb at 32dim though, but think I'll stick with refining it instead of using those.>>102123283Yeah I think I need to go through and rescale things to fit into the buckets best, plus maybe some jpg artifacts in some samples
>>102121832What's the lora?
I keep coming to this thread and getting upset at how utter mid, normie cattle most of you are. I just have difficulty getting it into my head, and end up forgetting every time I leave. You have the intelligence and common sense of fifteen year old boys for fuck's sake.
ty anon
>>102123348I'm not sure what you're expecting
>>102121616>Should you not be allowed to sell your used 3090 for 15000 dollars on ebay?
>>102123370Me neither, holy shit. I just skimmed the whole thing and my day is ruined.
>>102123404that sounds like a problem only you havehave you tried staying off the internet?
>>102123377Use your words, anon.
>>102123422Nvidia isn't an individual conducting private commerce, hope this helps.
>>102123440It does not.No matter, the rules should be the same for everybody.Anything else is leftist cuckery.
here we go again
Dumbasses
>>102123449Nvidia doesn't follow the same rules, they actively use patents and regulation abuse to ensure a monopoly and I'm 90% sure they're colluding with AMD to fix prices.
>>102123468Then end the patent system and regulations.
>>102123482sounds good
>>102123482okaybut for now, since Nvidia enjoys government empowered monopoly, they get government empowered anti-trust investigations
>>102123449>Anything else is leftist cuckery.wanting the users to not get fucked in the ass by corporations isn't leftist cuckery, that's the opposite, you're the cuck if you're willing to pay whatever price Nvdia wants
>>102123498from your perspective isn't that like the cops investigating themselves>>102123510>you're the cuck if you're willing to pay whatever price Nvdia wantsIf they price it too high I won't/can't buy it. I'm not entitled to it, you're the leftist cuck who thinks himself entitled to things he can't afford.The other anon that I asked to compared the 1080 Ti and 4080 Super (inflation adjusted price and specs) never came back to me, maybe you'd like to do it and tell us what you found?
>>102123549I didn't realize Nvidia is actually a branch of the US government
>>102123564some anons would have you believe it practically is
>>102123549Let me help you since you're fucking stupid. Without Nividia illegally fixing the market there would likely be a 48 GB VRAM GPU for $2000 right now.
>>102123549>If they price it too high I won't/can't buy it.it's already too high retard, the actual price we're paying are already overinflated, you're a turbocuck for thinking those are reasonable prices
>>102123583>Without Nividia illegally fixing the market there would likely be a 48 GB VRAM GPU for $2000 right now.Nta but that's highly speculative
>>102123583I'm not stupid, you're stupid.>Nividia illegally fixing the market source?>there would likely be a 48 GB VRAM GPU for $2000 right nowsource?>>102123593I ask you then, anon, how much did the 1080 Ti cost (don't forget inflation) and how much does the 4080 Super cost, what are their specs and performance difference.Can you tell us that?
>>102123549I have to say you're a fucking retard and I encourage you to take an economics class
how the FUCK do i unblur parts of a generated pic?i've spent hours upon hours trying to get outpaint working, manually refining it over and over again and now that i've FINALLY got an acceptable result it's fucking blurred to shitinpainting over it does virtually nothing btw
>>102123648No it's not, it's quite obvious at this point that Nvidia is illegally controlling the market.- they are illegally controlling their aftermarket vendor- they are illegally controlling the market with collusion with their main competitor- they are illegally controlling the market by dictating what the fabs can doI bet you don't even realize how far the rabbit hole goes. These things don't happen accidentally because in a normal market it's always people undercutting each other (until collusion happens).
>>102123675>no sourceslmao>>102123662uh uh
>>102123667upscale it with noise
>>102123690don't worry, the anti-trust investigation already begunI hope you have your shredders and off-shore bank account ready
>>102123667You WILL generate images with maximum bokeh and you WILL be happy
>>102123694>still no sourceslmao
>>102123707sauce me up buttercup
>>102123667Wait for BFL to hopefully fix their mistake in Flux.2
>>102123707>The U.S. Justice Department and the Federal Trade Commission have reached a deal that allows them to proceed with antitrust investigations into the dominant roles that Microsoft, OpenAI and Nvidia play in the artificial intelligence industry, according to a source familiar with the matter.
>>102123730Oh there's v2 coming?
>>102123675>illegallyThen ask the SEC to file a suit against Nvidia faggot
>>102123739If you think I was asking for a source on the investigation starting you are really fucking stupid.
>>102123764sounds like they will, the investigations have already begun, I hope you sell while the stock is high anon because at the end of the day, Nvidia is artificially inflated based on illegal market practices, the question isn't if but when someone undercuts them assuming they don't straight up go Enron
>>102123780sounds like you already know the outcome of the investigation
https://www.servethehome.com/meta-ai-acceleration-in-the-next-gen-meta-mtia-for-recommendation-inference-risc-v/not long
>>102123780lol, poor people are so pathetic
>>102123819I'm not poor, I just don't eagerly slurp cock
>>102123833based
>>102123780>assuming they don't straight up go Enronwon't happen, while they maybe as evil as Enron they a product that no one else sells. Enron sold energy, which you could buy anywhere else to
>>102123831brap
>>102123819only poor people call other people poor
>>102123833slurping cock doesn't make NVIDIA any richer, but you did
>>102123883I get value from my 4090s. I don't get value buying their overpriced illegal enterprise cards.
>>102123819bold of you to assume rich people are ok to buy an overpriced product, they're not as retarded and cucked as you are
looks like SOVL's back on the menu, boys
>>102123901Poor people are the ones who buy $80k BMWs unironically. Poor people think flexing money is how you flex status.
>>102123895Whatever you have to tell yourself to not feel like an hypocrite.> I don't get value buying their overpriced illegal enterprise cards.What about those that do get value out of their regular priced absolutely legal enterprise cards? Are they delusional?
>>102123917>Poor people are the ones who buy $80k BMWs unironicallyThis is true
>>102123918There's degrees to everything you moron, only poorfags think as black and white as you. I shouldn't have to explain to you why $8000 for a RTX 6000 Ada is a rip off compared to a 4090.
>>102120987>50 images looping 2000 timeskek
>>102123943>There's degrees to everything you moronThat is hilarious coming out of you.>I shouldn't have to explain to you why $8000 for a RTX 6000 Ada is a rip off compared to a 4090.You never did answer my question.Is it a ripoff to those who get value out of it?
>>102123962Post your PC specs now, show your GPUs.
>>102123971I can hear you malding from over here.
>>102123917The real rich from what I know drive older Lexus and Toyotas
>>102123990That's what I figured someone posting from their mother's laptop talking about what it means to be rich.
>>102124000I think you got the wrong anon.
>>102124008No specs either means poorfag computer or poorfag phone poster.
>>102124008pretty sure its a bot
>>1021240000101010111101
Sure smells like centaur anon phoneposting from work again. Is sdg dead or something?
>centaur slop spammer talking about himself in the third person
This is the ultimate proof that 99% of the people using this is are undiagnosed clinically retarded individualshttps://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1f1pdsb/flux_is_smarter_than_you_and_other_surprising/
>>102124025i don't think it matters at this point, it's just newfags falling for it, or another bot. props to the bots for "trying" to keep on-topic, but it always derails the same way, just report it.
>>102124183what if we're self-diagnosed?
>>102124183plot twist: you're not part of the 1% remaining
>>102124183Huh who the fuck is that guy? We only listen to the sage wisdom of Furkan Gozukara here
>>102124208put it on your xitter bio
>>102120943Post the prompt!
>>102124224what pronouns would best fit?
>>102124237Ey/Em
>>102124237ay/gee/eye
>>102124237Sneed/Chuck
Bread is ready for your collection...>>102124298>>102124298>>102124298
Since the thread is dead and migrated, I might as well add to the dead pile of the Nvidia argument. Yes, there is no alternative for Nvidia on the high end or when your job actually requires CUDA which should only involve a few people. But it is a self fulfilling prophecy when people are recommending 4060s for AI for people on a budget when a card like the 7600 XT or even the Intel Arc are sufficient and have more VRAM. If the competitors don't have even a moat to attack Nvidia with better hardware and a worst software stack and people are going to blindly recommend the self proclaimed only option, then your only hope to get a better environment is to let the government break them up in a non-ideal way or punish them which is what happened to AT&T and Microsoft.
>>102124183The guy discusses his failed attempt at uncucking the model and everyone is praising him.A few hours latter they are all acting as if they already have a completely uncucked version:https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1f2az8r/a_little_observation_on_the_release_of_flux/Reddit is a parallel world.
