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>>102386346Cringe OP, fuck you troon.
Remember how Xbox 360 games looked better than PC versions at the time? You wasn't just dreaming. That was radeons accurate hw t&l versus nvidias garbage driver level hacks.
>>102386363This is problem with the developers of the game not being able to manage VRAM properly on an 8 GB card
is it a good time to jump on 9000 series cpu like the 9700x from a 7600x if i'm gaymen at 1440p or am i good for another few years. i have a 4070s if that matters
>>102386391>before:oy vey the nvidia driver hacks are breaking and our inaccurate hw t&l is showing through>after: see goyim we fixed it with the "game ready driver"
>>102386391>>102386412Notice how Radeon consoles never need driver updates but Geforce PCs do.
>xe is talking to ximself now
>>102386391Seriously. I cannot believe my 5700xt is already an issue because of fucking VRAM. Lazy, lazy lazy.
>>102386154I'm not playing pixelshit but I like stuff like armored core 6, sand land, biomutant or kunitsugamiI'm looking forwards to enotria and dbs sparking zeroI also tend to like bamco anime games and jrpgsI rarely see DLSS or meaningful ray tracing in those
How long do you normally sit on a "completed" build before you pull the trigger?
>>102386479Are you building new PCs every other week??
>>102386485Nah it's the first time in like a decade but now that it's sat in my cart I'm impatient
>>102383847Never got any suggestions or recommendations for this. Would primarily be for 4K gaming.
>>102386412SchizoThese are game version differences
>>102386536buy now since if you wait prices will only go up or things go out of stock. dont be like me who decided to just sit on a tlc ssd and now all of them are 1.5-2x the price.
>>102386424
>>102386565with new game ready drivers also applied because they just reuse footage like all other youtubers do*
>>102386565>>102386391Digitalfoundry is a known nvidia shill channel. They were paid to make wukong rtx tech analysis.
>>102386598Didn't AMD just announce they're giving up on high end GPUs?
>>102386568Yeah that's what I figured. I'll probably get my brother's opinion since I know he built my first and I still want to pretend I haven't decided between the 7900xtx and the 4080 super for a bit
Should I undervolt through the propertiary software or should I do it through afterburner?
>>102386616Yes. RIP 5090 prices.
>>102386616Only for RDNA4, they'll try and make a comeback with the generation after.
>>102386658Oh. Not shitposting, I was under the impression they were genuinely giving up.
>>102386537Because future proofing is a meme.
>>102386616They're not making a halo product which makes sense. Halo products do nothing for sales. Nobody bought a 6950XT despite being faster than the 3090Ti. More people still bought Intel for 2 generations in a row over AMDs X3D chips.The more exciting hardware stuff is in mobile which is more in mid-range specs. Laptops and handhelds are getting console tier and Linux can extend battery life over Windows by like 3 hours or more.
>>102386671they are really giving up and will focus on the midrange market, not only for rdna4 but indefinatelyi guess they are related after allhttps://videocardz.com/newz/amd-strategy-shifts-to-prioritize-market-scale-over-enthusiast-radeon-gpus
>>102386406>early 2010s brownfogbloom graphics and PS3-quality texturesTHIS is what people buy $2000 GPUs for?
>>102386346taking into account upscaling and tweaking settings, what's the cheapest, consistent 1440p card for 60FPS in newer titles?
>>102386633Unless precision is tapping into some super secret controls that aren't exposed to other software (unlikely) just use whatever. 99% of the time it is all standard shit that nvidia (or AMD) exposes.
>>102386861sacrifice a child for a 4070 ti super and be at peace for a few years
>>102386706rdna4 is to build marketsharerdna5 is to capitalize on that marketsharerdna4 "flagship" is 4080 super tier at $650-700. nvidia cant make it that low or their whole scheme falls apart. 5000 series is also planned to be only targeting datacenters/highend mostly. their mid-lower wont trickle until 1-2 years later and even then it will be more pricy for same if not slightly better perf.
gonna post this here considering that this is hardware-related questionLast year RaptorCS announced they are going to release a CPU on their own custom architecture called "Solid Silicon" (it's POWER10 but with no blobs). I couldn't find a single news report about Solid Silicon after they announced the project. Any idea what the fuck Raptor is doing right now?
>>102386598Aw, your butthurt is so sweet>>1023868614070 SuperIf you're going used, you can get a 3080, but it has to be cheap, as you're not getting a warranty, the card is likely to be loud, and it doesn't have DLSS Frame Gen. You can undervolt and make the card a lot quieter.Here's a great channel for optimizationshttps://www.youtube.com/@benchmarking4386
>>102386880no
>>102386880>>102386970never buy 4070 family cards they have inaccurate hw t&l.radeon is everyones first experience with true hd gaming on 360. these guys have been making gpus longer than nvidia.
>>102387015As DLSS has proven accuracy is irrelevant.
>>102387047dlss is the reason why we have fsr/xess/and the fucked up taa situation in general. no matter what solution you use devs stopped caring to make it look good because now they're just plugins.
>>102387065Better than native dontchaknow
>>102387099back then "native" was msaa. 360 could do 2-4x at almost no cost thanks to its edram.
>>102387015Schizo>>102387065TAA has been around long before DLSS, retard.And yes, DLSS is better than native on average, despite what the cherrypickers who focus on a specific issue with an implementation would have you believe
so is zen 5 good or not
>>102387286
>>102387286good at what?
>>102387286bueno for srs bsnsno bueno for vidya
>>102387276The TAA in Mankind Divided is better than whatever DLSS can do. Also Mankind Divided still gives you the option to enable MSAA. Many games today dont allow you to do that, let alone turn off TAA.
>>102387286linux people love itwindows people hate itsame with amd gpusyou get 25-30% more performance than windowswhy would you use windows in 2024 outside of "i need my slow ass start menu"
>>102387286It's good if you don't have Zen 4. It's bad if you already have Zen 4
>>102387357MD's msaa is unusually expensive sadly.
>>102386363>Remember how Xbox 360 games looked better than PC versions at the timeno
>>102386616That was already the case when RDNA3 had no GDDR6X
>>102387357>The TAA in Mankind Divided is better than whatever DLSS can dodoubt.jpg
>>102386915>rdna4 "flagship" is 4080 super tier at $650-700KEKJAJtell me you dont actually believe that. even amd's marketing team said "4080 raster, 4070 ti super rt", with less power consumption than the 7900XT at top end, best case scenario, and it was allegedly either 599 or 699.If they could ACTUALLY do that, they would absolutely dominate the mid-tier even if the next FSR iteration is absolute shit (which it will be)I honestly hope you're just shilling because AMD pays you to so, because if not, you are literally retardedAMD cant deliver that, and even if they could, they wont, because they absolutely suck at timing and pricingand thats me hoping that I'm wrong because Nvidia having a monopoly sucks balls, but I'm not.they just gave up, their next flagship will be basically 5060 tier
how are AMD meant to turn an 8% marketshare in 40% in 1 generation?
>>102387452Magic apparently.
>>102387452Forego all profit and sell all cards at costJust make it break even and write it off as an R&D expense
So what is going on with Intel ARC? Is it an realistic challenger to mid-tier or did the cpu division suicide killed it too?
>>102387582I'm of the opinion Arc is dead because Intel is bleeding money and that is a prime part of the business to cut as they hadn't made any real headway into the market.
>>102387440"4080 raster, 4070Ti RT" is just the general performance of the 7900XTX so yes they can do it. The only question is if they will. They won't, of course, because RTG is retarded as we all know.
is it okay if it's sticking up like this? can I just put the cover back on? beelink ser7
>>102387710No, that's actually bad. Get a proper NVMe size for that.
>>102387440I think it's accurate just not the price, they're gonna overcharge for it on release just like the 7900XT.
>>102387286Do you need AVX512
>>102387532The margins in the industry are not thick enough that it would meaningfully affect prices/sales.
>>102387732fuck okay. I had this spare SSD just laying around and thought I'd make use of it. guess I'll order a proper sized one then
>>102387452Pay off every internet cafe in asia region to use their cards insteadI work in one and that steam hardware survey pops up every time at boot, I can only imagine how many "GTX 1060" results on steam are the same computer
>>102387710You can get length adapters
bros my new pc is beautful (front audio is not working dunno why but w/e) thank you for help
>>102387295Fuck of Yurine.
>>102387706>4070Ti RT" is just the general performance of the 7900XTXIt's lower than that (and without good upsampling, still nearly useless), but maybe with improvements to RT hardware / drivers, RDNA4 high end could match the 4070 Ti>>102387582>So what is going on with Intel ARC?Still chugging away. Intel can't afford not to have "GPUs" considering the direction that computing is going. They need something with thousands of cores
So, funny situation, my cats were playing and one of them accidentally made a little bit of pee on my PC. Which is open. The pee somehow got exactly on the mobo, in the space between the back-panel of the case and the CPU, and now the PC won't start.I think piss got on the back side of the mobo parallel to the CPU.DRAM and CPU error lights are on. All fans spin for a few seconds (including the PSU), then turn off for 2-3 seconds, then start again. I have to remove the power cable for the PC to shut down, the power button doesn't work even if I hold it for a few seconds, despite the fact that I turn it on with the power button just find.So WTF is wrong? What do I have to replace? Mobo or PSU? Or maybe CPU? How do I even figure this out?
>>102387937>memetic chartsgive me real life data homo
>>102388072Also I already tried removing CMOS battery, mothing
>>102387900over specced for a linuxbut still, congrats. i want to use linux someday because i just hate using windows for my day to day browsing. but i cant leave because my games will break.
>>102387769>970 $329>4070 $600(its actually a 4060)>Surely nvidia's margin is exactly the same
>>102388072Any time electronics get wet NEVER EVER turn them on until they are bone dry. Conductivity where it shouldn't be is bad mmmkay
>>102388147Yeah, also don't throw them in the over to dry them quicker. Learned that the hard way.
>>102388147I didn't even know they were wet, I went to turn it on and noticed it wasn't working, so I looked up close and saw the pee. They were just a few drops so I cleaned everything with alcohol and dried it but it still won't turn on.
>>102388072pee and blood are worse than water for your pc, no joke. they have minerals and other waste shit in them that are more conductive.
>>102388072dram error + cpu error at the same time always means mobo error.
Do you guys feel the extra $200 for the 4080 Super is worth it compared to the 4070 Ti Super?
>>102388072Replace parts one by one.Start with PSU. It's the most likely thing that could break if it gets wet. If you are 100% it did not get wet then you could skip it and get a new motherboard. If it turns on with a new mobo your old mobo died. If it doesn't then buy a new CPU. If it turns on then your old CPU probably broke, highly unlikely it's the CPU though.There's a high chance its your PSU or motherboard.
>>102388242I don't think any GPU more than the 7900GRE is worth it and I say this as a 3090ti owner.
>>102388072Your motherboard is dead. RMA it.
>>102388256Would you sell your 3090ti and replace it with a 7900GRE
>>102388242Modern AAAslop gaymes are not worth spending a single dollar on the GPU.If you are into AI hallucinators you buy the cheapest nVidia card from the highest VRAM tier and don't ask questions.All there is to it.
>>102388242I don't think it's a good time to buy a high end GPU when we're a couple months away from a new generation
>>102388242Yes of course the 4080S GPU is much faster
>>102388242Are you doing an entire new build or just upgrading an existing system?If new build, how much is that $200 as a percentage of the total build price? Is the performance increase in percentage more than the increase in total build price?
What's the point in not playing every single game with DLSS3 and FG on
>>102388349What's the point of a $700 GPU if it needs fake frames to run games?
>>102388239>>102388251>>102388260So I looked closely and the pee seems to have specifically dripped down from the case into the back of the mobo, above the black square in pic related which is the CPU area's back side. PSU seems to be completely clean and so is the rest of the mobo, including RAM. The CPU itself seems to be clean. Should I just buy a new mobo, or is it possible that the CPU itself is also fried?
Are these threads really monitored by paid shills or nvidiaGPT or whatever?
>>102388275if i didnt need cuda for cad and switched to linux full time yeah
>>102388349Don't need to
>>102388380So the answer is no got it.
>>102388373Throw it all out, and proceed to the nearest gas chamber to rid the world of one more toxo spreader.
>>102388375Yes. The bot is set to only respond after 200-250 posts have happened then it spams until the thread dies.
>>102388387I just said yeah I would but work is why i dont. if i was a gaming neet like all of you then i would buy radeon. who the hell games on windows now
>>102388380what kind of cad project needs cuda? it's a fucking blueprint
>>102388375yeshttps://web.archive.org/web/20130915125814/https://consumerist.com/2006/02/06/did-nvidia-hire-online-actors-to-promote-their-products/https://web.archive.org/web/20130915143001/https://consumerist.com/2006/02/06/nvidias-perez-they-act-as-our-voice/
>>102388399we do simulations in solidworks which are accelerated by cuda.
>>102388398No you said you can't and won't. Keep up.
>>102388088It's way worse than synthetics, because Radeon doesn't have DLSS magic to provide playable framerates with 1440p or 4K monitors>>102387769Margins for the AIBs are tiny. Margins for Nvidia and AMD are huge>>102388129You have to account for inflation and the increased cost of manufacturing>>102388242It's fairly in line in terms of price / perf, but if possible I'd waitTM for the new cards in January if that's within your budget
>>102388423>you think you do but you dontcalm down retarded blizzard employee
>>102388421No you can't do that you should buy a Radeon GPU nothing needs cuda at all according to amdrones
>>102388315You may be right but what the chances that stock is going to be sold out on first drop and scalpers buy up everything?>>102388347Upgrading an existing system. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tC8QFs Just getting the GPU, Monitors and a new SATA SSD. Everything else in the list I have already. Mind you I built everything originally in 2020 and my current GPU is a 2060.
>>102388403>Mr. Perezevery single time
if im set on amd is there any point in waiting? They're not going to release anything that challenges the XTX so why bother
>>102388439Bro you're the one who owns nvidia and talks about buying amd but won't lol all good to tell others to buy it but won't ever do it yourself just another fake amd fan
>>102388458if solidworks had amdgpu support from the start then i would have bought a 7900xtx over a 3090ti
>>102388464if if if that's all fake amd fans say
>>102388458>you think you do but you dontcalm down extra retarded blizzard employee...>>102388475if if if else bitch
>>102388457new hardware might be less buggythe XTX has a 50% chance of blackscreening every time a new AAA game comes out
>>102388479fake amd fan recommends amd but buys nvidia as usual
>>102388486If every single time a new game comes out and the XTX blackscreens on it well that's just the fault of every single video game developer in the world and not Radeon
>>102388421I didn't know cad could run those>solidworksah thats why>wethen your company should provide you with the hardware to run those simulations>accelerateddo they simply not run or are they just slower on ayymd? asking because I might want to run some orica simulations for myself and only red cards are sold at MSRP.
>>102388486Seems like a reliably researched number.
>>102388464Solidworks won't ever support AMD GPUs unless their telemetry sees an uptick of AMD GPUs being usedBe the change you want to see and start using Radeon with Solidworks and send messages via whatever media platform asking for Radeon supportUntil then, your actions speak louder than words and you advocate for Nvidia's further dominance of the productivity market
>>102388486I honestly dont play the newest garbage as soon as it comes out. Who in their right mind pays full price for pc games? Half the point of gaming on the platform is getting steep discounts.I'm mostly wondering if the 8800XT is going to rival the XTX without forcing me to upgrade my PSU
>>102388511>>then your company should provide you with the hardware to run those simulationsOf course they would be providing NVIDIA
All right, you guys have talked me out of buying a chicom-made SSD.What should I pick between WD SN850x and Samsung 990 PRO?
>>102388373I would buy both CPU and motherboard. Try the motherboard with the old CPU, if it works then return the new CPU. If it doesn't then use both motherboard and CPU. If it turns on then good. If not then it's most likely your PSU.
>>102388518but they do, just not consumer oneshttps://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/workstations/radeon-pro/design-and-manufacturing/solidworks.html
If I'm a lazy bastard that will literally never replace their thermal paste is graphine worth it?
>>102388504lol true>>1023885167900 XTX had to be patched for helldivers 2, wukong, space marines 2, etc6000 series works fine, it's not the drivers, the hardware is fucking broken>>102388519it also has random crashes on older games like world of warcraft (both retail and classic)you never know with RDNA3
>>102388551You'd be better off with PTM then
>>102388551yes graphene/kryosheet is worth it if you're not retarded at installing it and don't short something out on your motherboard
>>102388522So use the provided free nvidia card that you have to return for work and do whatever you want with your personal pc
>>102388535WD SN850X
for anyone using multiple monitors in windows, please check out https://github.com/mgth/LittleBigMouse this is the best multi monitor tool i have ever seen and its FREE. it essentially ignores the windows monitor rearrangement and lets you customize EVERYTHING. even the bezels on each monitor. and it lets you move your mouse smoothly between monitors and scales it perfectly. how are these random literal whos making this shit but microsoft cant? unbelievable
>>102388592Fortunately I'm retarded enough to believe I can't possibly fuck it up
>>102388617microsoft are a small mom and pop shop please understand
>>102388349Sometimes there can be really terrible implementations of DLSS, but generally yes it's automatic>>102388403>muh 2006 rumors>>102388553>7900 XTX had to be patched for helldivers 2, wukong, space marines 2Pretty bad with Wukong, and on top of that you're stuck with FSRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfI9rmTnxe8&t=331s
>>102388619use a few dabs of thermal paste on the corners of the sheet to have it stick in place for extra safety, make sure you're not using arctic silver or something else conductive and it should be fine, 38x38mm is the size you want to get for any modern cpu
>>102388617microsoft doesn't use multiple monitors. RGB should have been solved by them years ago. They don't care about the user experiences of people that use Windows just their telemetry.
>>102388617cool software but what's the point of configuring the bezel size?
>>102388617Never used this and never had a problem with my 3 monitor setup.
>>102388537Upon more analysis it's 100% the piss that seeped into that back square. So it's the mobo. My question is if the CPU can also be fried, or if it's fine. Also is there any chances that I can dry the mono and salvage it or should I just buy a new one?
