The solution that is trending right now is Nostr, specially with Twitter ban in Brazil.While the Nostr protocol is completely decentralized and censorship resistant. It still relies on relays and apps to offer it's services, and those can be easily tracked and blocked. Some very popular Nostr apps have been recently blocked in China.Is there anything right now that people living under dictatorships can use to communicate? Is that even possible?
e621 is allowed in china dunno about other places
>>102518222>Is there anything right now that people living under dictatorships can use to communicate? Is that even possible?You could try talking to people, anon. It’s crazy, I know. But it’s worked in the past and could work again with little effort. Give it a try.
>>102518318Are there only retards here? No people who care about privacy?
>>102518222show me a nostr app that is actually popular anywhere. I don't believe you at all. This is literally just a shill thread for nostr.
>>102518543Are you calling me a retard for suggesting you talk to people in real life? As in, because you’re attempting to overthrow a dictatorship? Like, you people overthrowing a dictatorship requires like…doing stuff…you know…in real life, right?
>>102518961>This is literally just a shill thread for nostr.this.
>>102518222Yes, anything that's selfhosted and therefore not cucked easily. Stop trusting companies.
>>102518222Yes. Work for one of the tech factories in China. They have circuits that entirely bypass the Great Firewall but you will have to make friends with someone high-up, not just some network admin.
>>102518222These services are blocked on ISP level.You can access anything with VPN, but nothing without it.
>>102518318>But it’s worked in the pastYeah the GDR can tell you all about how good that works.
>>102518222I'm building something way better.>It still relies on relays and apps>Some very popular Nostr apps have been recently blocked in China.All apps "rely" on apps. You can't block apps. App stores can take them down, but you don't have to use app stores.>>102518543You're actually really retarded if you think Nostr gives you privacy.
There are tor relays
>>102522293Tor traffic is easily identifiable. You don't know what they're doing, but you know they are using Tor.Thus Tor is banned in China.
>>102522644?? homicide is also banned in chinathe ban doesn't stop shit
>>102521558>I'm building something way better.Bait or retard. Call it.>You can't ban apps.You can identify who is running a relay and beat them in the head and throw them into jail.Nostr sounds good, but it's not China proof. If it's not China proof, then maybe it's not the future, since most democracies are adopting more and more plays from the Chinese government book.
>>102522693I assume regular people don't want to suffer sanctions from their government, so an ideal service would have to be:>Not easily block able (if blockable, then easily replaceable).>Very hard to track, so people running relays and regular users can't be tracked.
>>102518222Why should they avoid, cater to, compromise with, or even respond to the whims of some rogue dictatorship? Nobody cares if North Korea bans your app.
>>102521425Yes anon. Please tell us how you plan on overthrowing a dictatorship without any real life activity. Go on. Please. Tell us.
>>102523533>shifting the goalpostseveryone accepts your concession retard
>>102523593Wait what? What goalposts? I didn’t shift anything. I’m saying just go talk to people. Talk to people in real life. You can not overthrow a dictatorship without talking to people anon.
>>102518318Yeah man. When the government puts you in prison for political dissent, just remember that we are all made of atoms and nothing really matters in the first place.
>>102522703>Bait or retard. Call it.Neither. Building something better than Nostr isn't exactly difficult. It's complete garbage. Normal people won't run their own node. >>102522703>You can identify who is running a relay and beat them in the head and throw them into jail.Not if they live in another country.
>>102518961Damus/Amethyst/Primal
Nostr is ran by the same people. Have you not found out how the internet works by now?
>>102526568Developers?
>>102526756financiers
>>102518222Nostr fucking sucks. All they do is talk about nostr and bitcoin. Constantly. I hadn’t been on there in a while and I specifically remember going on there the day of trump’s assassination attempt and all they were talking about was bitcoin and fucking nostr. One person, I think mentioned the news story about trump. The rest was as if nothing else was happening in the world. All the early adopters are lame as fuck.
>>102526811Be the change you want to see. Write about what you think it's important.
>>102527236Not him, but for any form of communication goes that it's very discouraging to put in effort when there's no interested audience. Literally: why bother and who cares?
>>102527887>why botherWhy not? Like, you just feel like writing about stuff, you write about stuff.Doesn't matter if no one is going to read it or 1 billion people will read it.Just do it because you want to do it.
>>102528574There are more enjoyable unproductive activities, like playing video games. Why bother writing instead of playing video games if it's not going to be productive?
>>102528782Why did you write this post instead of playing vidya?
Libp2p.
>>102518318Look up what China and the Uighurs (or however that is spelt) do: The Uighurs have to eat in public restaurants with cameras watching them, that ALSO have microphones in them. So, you get watched and listened to.With the power of AI, the microphone can alert the feds whenever a keyword is said.So, talking is not an option,because>the pastas you know it, doesn't exist anymore.Examples: Traffic lights in germany have microphones, but they aren't in use for surveillance yet. Talk shit next to a traffic light and boom, jail.
>>102523711The internet is for talking to people, digitally. Just shut the fuck up, motherfucker. Nobody here likes you and wants your dumb retard kiddo takes.
>>102529223Because playing vidya involves commitment for a longer time, whereas a post can be written in a minute (or a few minutes for a longer post). Posting is something you can do in-between other things or when you otherwise don't have much time and can't game.
>>102529223>>102529813Oh, and: there's an audience here, consisting of you, the other posters in this thread, and a lot of lurkers. I'm not just talking to myself.
secure scuttlebutt
NOSTR über alles!
>bump
is anyone here on Nostr?
>>102534943nah all my senpaitachi use monero
>>102521273The Great Firewall is not what it once was, anyway. It's become less a thing used to block political dissent and more used for protectionism in favor of local tech companies by arbitrarily making foreign services harder to access. Also, for the moral panics they've been having about pornography and online gaming. There's not really the effort being put in to block non-mainstream news and politics stuff like there used to be.
>>102518222ham radio
>>102518222Russians use XMPP. Their government either simply doesn't seem to know it exists, or perhaps is leaving it available as a honeytrap.
>>102534943No, ssh-chat is the way to go.
>>102535382There are monero users on nostr>>102529825You can comment on other peoples posts on nostr too. And they can yours
>>102518222Telegram. Just have to run it over a VPN. All the standard international services can still get SMS verification done in China. As long as you're not posting the minute you log in you're not going to get tracked very easily.
>>102537616>ssh-chathad to search it, cannot believe it exists.
>>102537812Telegram was banned in Russia, they removed the ban after Telegram agreed to help combat "extremism".Telegram creator was recently arrested in France, he was soon released, of course after he made a deal the cooperate.If it's not decentralized, it's not the way, telegram is not the way.
>>102518222it's literally too hard to make a good appyou can't centralize itthe recsys is simply too hard to do wellcentralized efforts will just beat you out on addiction and eyeballssimple as
Castrated cult is the new zeitgeist. So I'm not sure why you need a app for it. You're not a Chinese or Russian are you?
>>102537788>There are monero users on nostrhttps://github.com/retrnull/garnet
>>102518222>hurrdurr let's launch a new protocol and new app ecosystem targeting people who can't pay usshadowsocks is the standard in china for a reason, but all gfw-bypass services are targeted in a gov-sponsored game of whack-a-mole anyway
>>102518222Wasnt Briar a thing back few years ago?
