is there any software that can use these "AI" npu processors on the new cpus ?

seems like a giant waste of silicon

>>102732977
horse girl

total intel death

>>102732962
Alien: Isolation sequel got announced, granted it may be months or years away. Apparently the first was good game but I've yet to try it.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/events/ces/

Tune in to the CES opening keynote by NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang live in Las Vegas on Monday, January 6, at 6:30 p.m. PT.

NVIDIA WON

THANK YOU NVIDIA

>>102733079
I think intel is going in the right direction. The 14900k is honestly fast enough and its only real drawback is its 150-220W power usage in games so having ARL be just as fast but significantly less hungry will make it one of their best products.

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>>102733091
Ayyy lmaosolation is very much worth a play. It bing a dark game in general also means oleds are especially good for it. With it effectively being limited to 100fps most systems will have enough performance headroom for some form of downsampling to tackle the games poor AA.

>you don't NEED generational uplift
new entry on the cope list

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Why do you all still using Direct X? Serious question to all Nvidia/AMD owners.

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any good prime day deals on 6000 cl30 ddr5? all i could find so far was pic, but $100 is pretty standard for this kind of ram, corsair's just happens to be a bit expensive

>>102733175
That's right I can uplift myself I don't need a generation to do it

>>102733175
Stay mad. You aren't entitled to performance gains at all

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Brehs, need some thoughts on this build. Call me stoopid or call me an idiot, tell me what I should change. Maybe a 4070Ti? Better motherboard?

>>102733175
Same performance on lower power consumption is important as well.

>>102733234
link those parts in texts and ill get chatgpt on it for you

It seems you have linked an image on an external site (4chan), which I cannot access directly. However, if you can describe the parts or share specific details about your build (e.g., CPU, motherboard, GPU, RAM, storage, etc.), I'd be happy to analyze them for compatibility and suggest potential alternatives or improvements based on your goals and budget!

Feel free to paste the list of parts here or provide a brief description of what you're considering for your build.

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I have a 3060 right now, do I hold out for the 50 series or get a 4070 ti on sale?

>2025
>RDNA 4 has the RT performance lead but Nvidia has the crown and silver medal in performance
>FSR 4.0 is better than DLSS 4.0
>YRW

>>102733266
do you actually need to upgrade now, or are you just tempted to buy this card because of the sale?

>>102733276
I'm tempted by the sale, I need a new card by February though

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You guys are overreacting about the mediocre CPU releases.
X3D and high-end Intel chips already pump enough frames to play well in competitive shooters.
Niche titles on extremely extended game simulations (not normal play experience) bottleneck the CPU.

The only other scenario where you're CPU bottlenecked is launch titles with trash optimization, and you can only brute force these games so far (see DD2).
Hardware isn't going to completely solve a software issue.

People who buy higher-end systems will play @ native 1440p/4K, or 4K with upscalers if enabling additional visual features.
You're GPU bottlenecked in these situations.

Very few games are going to maximize modern CPU performance because the game developers/engineers who are competent enough to do this are moved on to build up the technology for the next project.

>>102733279
if you absolutely need one by february then just get the ti super, I really doubt that the 5070 or 5060 will release before then

>>102733296
Don't new cards get announced in October?

god I wish socket generations lasted longer, upgrading from a 12900k to a 14900k feels pointless but I don't want to buy a new fucking mobo every time I upgrade my CPU

>>102733326
january 2025 for the 50 series, basically confirmed at this point

>>102733326
leak says they are being announced in 2 days

>>102733234
Summary of Potential Changes:
GPU: You could save money with an RTX 4070 Ti if you're only gaming at 1440p.
RAM: 32GB might be sufficient unless you're doing memory-heavy tasks like video editing or virtual machines.
Storage: For desktop use, you could opt for a different 8TB HDD that isn't NAS-focused to save money.
Cooling: Consider an AIO if you're planning on overclocking the CPU.
Overall, your build is well-balanced with excellent performance potential for both gaming and productivity tasks. It should last for years to come with minimal need for upgrades.

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Thank you Dr. Lisa Su.
https://videocardz.com/newz/dr-lisa-su-celebrates-10th-anniversary-as-amd-ceo

>>102733350
>day after prime sales end
Sneaky fuckers I believe that

>>102733333
Witnessed, just check how many years AM4 lasted for. Jump on AM5 anon, its the golden time for AMD right now.

>>102733363
are gpus included in prime day sales? I kinda doubt it

>>102733356
The pride of Taiwan

>>102733351

For DDR5 RAM with good overclocking potential, there are a few specific models worth considering that offer better stability and headroom. These are particularly useful for systems based on Ryzen 7000-series CPUs, as these chips benefit from high-speed memory:

1. G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB (DDR5-6000 CL30)
Why it’s good: The Trident Z5 series is well-known for excellent overclocking potential due to its handpicked ICs and high-quality components. The 6000 MHz CL30 kit specifically is ideal for Ryzen 7000 due to its balanced speed and timings, which work well with Infinity Fabric.
Overclocking: These kits are often able to push up to 6400 MHz or even higher with manual tuning, especially on platforms like AM5.
Samsung B-Die: These are often based on Samsung or SK Hynix dies, which are known for stability when overclocked.
2. Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB (DDR5-6200 CL36)
Why it’s good: The Corsair Dominator Platinum line offers great overclocking potential and is built with high-performance ICs. While the CL36 is slightly higher than the G.Skill kits, it offers great headroom and stability when pushing the frequency beyond its rated speed.
Overclocking: Users have reported stable overclocking to 6400 MHz and beyond, depending on the specific kit and the quality of your motherboard’s memory controller.
3. Kingston Fury Renegade DDR5 (DDR5-6400 CL32)
Why it’s good: The Kingston Fury Renegade series is known for solid performance, especially in high-frequency memory configurations. The 6400 CL32 kit offers a good balance of speed and timings.
Overclocking: These kits have been reported to reach up to 6600 MHz or higher, with the right settings and cooling.
4. TeamGroup T-Force Delta RGB (DDR5-6000 CL30)
Why it’s good: TeamGroup’s T-Force Delta RGB is a high-performance and affordable option for overclockers, often featuring SK Hynix or Micron ICs, which are great for pushing past the rated speeds.

>>102733390
They are the one I posted >>102733266 is one of them. It seems like 4070ti's are the highest grade card on sale though

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>>102733356
Thank you Dr. Lisa Su.
Has there ever been a greater comeback story in all of business?

>>102733384
>the golden time for AMD right now.
no doubt, I'll be switching next time I upgrade for sure

>>102733404
Overclocking: Many users have reported stable operation at 6200-6400 MHz with good thermals, making it a solid option for overclockers on a budget.
Key Factors for Overclocking RAM:
IC Quality: Look for kits that use Samsung B-die, SK Hynix, or Micron ICs. These are well-known for their overclocking stability and potential.
Motherboard Support: Make sure your motherboard has a good memory VRM design. Higher-tier motherboards like those based on the X670 chipset will generally offer better support for memory overclocking compared to B650M.
Cooling: Overclocking RAM can increase heat output, so ensure your case has adequate airflow. If you’re pushing very high speeds, you may consider active memory cooling options.
Summary:
G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB (DDR5-6000 CL30) is one of the best options for stable, high-speed overclocking.
Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB and Kingston Fury Renegade offer higher out-of-the-box frequencies with good overclocking potential.
TeamGroup T-Force Delta RGB is a more affordable option with reliable overclocking potential.
For a Ryzen 9 7900X build, I recommend focusing on DDR5-6000 CL30 kits, as they tend to offer the best balance of performance and overclocking headroom while working well with the Infinity Fabric ratio.

>>102733405
good thing the 4070ti is debatably the best all-round card on the market

Why is my Ryzen 7800x3d capping out at 96w total power usage while tested on Cinebench? I have PBO set on auto. Is that why?

>>102733444
its just stupid efficient because of the cache

>>102733444
the 7800X3D is capped around 96W to protect the sensitive cache architecture from overheating.

>>102733444
That chip has a hardcoded current/power limit that can't be bypassed at all. The stock PBO settings are actually already overly aggressive at 142W ppt and >200A TDC/EDC iirc

>>102733351
Danke anon, my friend is an architect and he needs it for rendering, he's not a gaymer. What do you think about the board, I was thinking something better from Asrock B650 Pro Rs or PG Riptide of just x870? As for AIO, no anon, no liquids near CPU, he needs it for work and can't risk it. Any way to save monies on the monitor?

>>102733421
All I want out of a GPU purchase is a solid 1440p or even 4k card that can last me 4-5 years minimum, could the 4070 ti do that

>>102733485
Since your friend is an architect and uses the system for rendering, investing in a motherboard that offers better connectivity, stability, and power delivery is important.

AsRock B650 Pro RS or PG Riptide:
Both AsRock B650 Pro RS and PG Riptide are solid mid-range boards, but they lack higher-end features that may benefit heavy rendering tasks, such as more robust VRMs (for better stability under load) and additional PCIe slots for future GPU or storage expansions.
These boards offer good basic support but may feel limited when scaling up to more demanding workflows, like multi-GPU setups or high-speed storage arrays.
Better Alternative: X670 Chipset
X670 motherboards come with more PCIe 5.0 lanes, better power delivery, and often support more M.2 slots, which are beneficial for fast storage (critical in rendering).
A more feature-rich motherboard would allow future upgrades like faster NVMe drives or additional GPUs for rendering acceleration.
Look at boards like the AsRock X670E Steel Legend or MSI MPG X670E Carbon for better power delivery and expansion options. The X670 chipset can also provide longer-term futureproofing.
Recommendation: If your friend's budget allows, moving to an X670 or X670E board will offer better long-term value for rendering workloads and future upgrades.

why lately everything has become so stale? New CPUs are underwhelming, is there too much diversity and DEI hires in these R&D groups or whatthafucj?

>>102733485
Since your friend is an architect and uses the system for rendering, investing in a motherboard that offers better connectivity, stability, and power delivery is important.

2. AIO Concerns:
Your reluctance to use AIO coolers is understandable, especially in a workstation that must prioritize reliability over all else. However, even with an air cooler, you can get excellent performance that is safe for long work hours.
High-Performance Air Coolers:
Noctua NH-D15: Known for its exceptional cooling performance and near-silent operation, the NH-D15 is one of the best air coolers available and more than capable of handling the Ryzen 9 7800X3D during intense rendering tasks.
Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4: This is another powerful air cooler that offers excellent thermal management with very low noise, making it suitable for professional workloads.
Both of these options will ensure safe operation during rendering without the risk associated with liquid cooling.

3. Saving on the Monitor:
For rendering and architectural work, the BenQ Mobiuz EX2710QW is a great monitor with QHD resolution and high refresh rate. However, your friend may not need a 165Hz refresh rate for rendering purposes, as it's mainly beneficial for gaming.

>>102733489
it is certainly an excellent 1440p card, only the 4070 TI SUPER would be better. For 4K though I'd be looking at the 4080. It will definitely last you 4-5 years

What's the risk of a retard messing around with curve optimisation on ryzen frying the cpu?

>>102733485

Potential Monitor Alternatives:
Dell S2721QS 27" 4K UHD: A 27-inch 4K monitor with great color accuracy at a lower price. Rendering work often benefits from higher resolution rather than refresh rate, making this a better option for the money.
LG 27QN600 27" QHD IPS: If sticking with QHD is the priority, this is a lower-cost option with good color accuracy and a 75Hz refresh rate, more than enough for non-gaming tasks.
Acer Nitro XV272U 27" QHD IPS: Offers a balance between QHD resolution, decent color accuracy, and price. It’s a more budget-friendly monitor compared to the BenQ Mobiuz.
Recommendation: Your friend can save a significant amount by going with a 4K monitor like the Dell S2721QS, as the higher resolution is more valuable for precise rendering and architecture work than a high refresh rate.

Summary:
Motherboard: Opt for an X670/X670E board for better futureproofing and stability in rendering workloads.
Cooling: Stick with high-end air cooling (like the Noctua NH-D15) to ensure reliability without liquid risks.
Monitor: Downgrade to a 4K monitor like the Dell S2721QS for better rendering detail and save money over a high-refresh-rate QHD option.
This setup should provide your friend with excellent performance and value while ensuring stability during rendering tasks.

>>102733522
>google, don't go over X voltage
>?????
>explode

>>102732977
>PSUs
>https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
That list is not updated since 2023-04-11
Is it still up to date enough?

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>>102733192
I don't anymore.

>>102733534
>Recommendation: Your friend can save a significant amount by going with a 4K monitor like the Dell S2721QS, as the higher resolution is more valuable for precise rendering and architecture work than a high refresh rate.
Anon, you are awesome, definitely changing the monitor. For motherboard would x870 Pro Rs work? It seems to be cheaper than x670 and x670E for some strange reason.

>>102733566
If you're not tight on cash, buy PSUs well-reviewed by HWBusters or Cybenetics.
It's run by the same editor.
All the best-rated PSUs in that outdated tierlist are based on those two review sources anyway.
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/
https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=power-supplies

If you're poor, buy a Corsair CX650.

>>102733566
PSUs don't get yearly refreshes. I'm still using a 9 year old 1000w with no issues

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>>102733593
He's pasting ChatGPT's output, the knowledge base may not be up to date.
Might be lifting sources from Indian blogposts too.

>>102733606
>>102733566
For PSUs, if you want new, get ATX3.1, but IDK if they have completely fixed the anything with the 12x6 connectors. Check HW busters: https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>>102733522
curve optimizer can go both ways. less voltage = cpu lives longer, more voltage = cpu dies faster

>>102733624
Yo, don't do anon like that. He is not using chat gpt. Also, he seems very knowledgeable.

>>102733603
>>102733606
>>102733634
Are the Corsair RMx and RMx Shift series ATX 3.1?

>>102733662
KEK

the database is indeed out of date, i hope you got the essence of the message though

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>>102733662
>>102733259
>link those parts in texts and ill get chatgpt on it for you

>>102733671
Yes, boomer safe pick imo but they'll work just fine.

>>102733671
RM850x is 3.1, get the model number and check anon. Also, RM850x is competitively priced.

>>102733675
Isn't chatgpt from Sept 2022 or did they update it after that?

>I've had my 3090 for 4 years
jesus christ where does the time go? I wonder if it will last me until the 70 series

>>102733721
it can actively search ebay

>>102733721
You have to pay to get the more/most up-to-date information.

>>102733731
>>102733726
Of course chatgpt is scary af, and they gave it access to the internet. We are doomed anons.

>>102733724
doesnt it run hot and loud asf

>>102733724
It actually might, obviously no longer at maximum/high settings and assuming NVIDIA commits to their 2~3 year product launches.
>'25 RTX 50
>'27~'28 RTX 60
>'28~'30 next-gen consoles & start of new cross-generation cycle (this is where 3090 starts to struggle)
>'30~'31 RTX 70

>>102733765
juist assuming he uses a curvwe

>>102733515
Moore's law died

>>102733671
I bought a Super flower leadex vii 850 and the Jew said he ran out of stock, so they will be refunding the monies. I bought the same from different vendor, let's see if it works out.

>>102733785
capitalism killed moor'es law

china has an opportuinity to rebuild computing from scratch

super high end...large machines, that last decades

easily upgradeable

highly failsafe

modular as fuck

>>102733775
70 series should be out in '29

>>102733781
yeah but the card is like 4 years old i assume he's still using stock paste & pads. they only last like 2 years max which is the warranty period.

>>102733801
woops

3-7 years

>>102733700
>>102733705
The official product page doesn't say anything about ATX 3.1

>>102733765
no not really

>>102733812
>you got me there

but with his confidence that it'll last until the 70 series, my assumption is he oc's too

>>102733821
Maybe a revision that is 3.1? Check this: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/psu/cp-9020270-na/rmx-series-rm850x-fully-modular-power-supply-cp-9020270-na

>>102733724
>>102733775
Actually, I take all that back because your 3090's VRM might suddenly die from the wear-and-tear caused by overcurrent spikes.
Not joking, set maximum fps limits below your monitor's maximum refresh rate.
I'd undervolt it too.

Even overbuilt Strix VRMs give up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGXWDHNzQjQ
3080Ti, but the same cause. This is why NVIDIA changed 3090Ti's power delivery layout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbP0YRhXHCk
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/100967012/#100973294

>>102733775
>>'25 RTX 50
so why the fuck did they already kill 4090 and 4080 production
that's just a whole quarter where nobody is going to be able to buy high end

>>102733857
>>102733700
>>102733705
Thanks bruvs.
I might get the Shift version though, which is also ATX 3.1 certified.

>>102733821
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/explorer/diy-builder/power-supply-units/which-corsair-psus-are-atx-3031/

9800X3D fucking when

>>102733896
Not Jensen's problem
Having bargain hunters clear out underpriced GPUs is bad for business

Which 3rd parties make the best GPUs now that EVGA is kill?

>>102733913
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SqM1VX2qlc

>>102733929
>Having bargain hunters clear out underpriced GPUs is bad for business
Supply is basically almost dried up and remaining cards are well over 2.5x MSRP

>>102733812
It took 6 years for my 1080 TI to really degrade it's paste

>>102733896
Part of the new strategy of companies to completely control supply and make sure NO ONE gets a deal on last gen hardware.

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>>102733896
NVIDIA doesn't want to deal with another oversupplied GPU market, it hurt their bottom line last time with the RTX 30 series.
They had to discount $1500 3090 FEs to $1000 last time.
Nobody gives a shit about waitfags who's literally waiting® until the very end of the product cycle.

>>102733943
That's where the 5090 will come in and save consumers for being "only" $2000. It has worked before and it will work again.

>>102733961
>user
>gaymer
>enthusiast
>whale

>>102733961
>we could have priced this at $3000, but just for you its $2999!

>>102733957
>Nobody gives a shit about waitfags who's literally waiting® until the very end of the product cycle.
:( I was literally about to buy a 4080 super today but now I can't

>>102734001
cassie is it night or day

>>102732977
Need advice please, i am a regard
Use case is VR gaming, 4K, flight sims and racing sims.
Have a 7800x3d and a 4080 super, now looking at what motherboard to go for.
I want a TONNE of usb connectivity, but i've been steered heavily towards x670 mobos for the better power management at that level of gaming usage.

Is there a reason i want to do b650 instead of x670? Im still struggling to understand MOBOs and it seemed to me like the nicer x670s with more power stages/amperage per stage would be the better choice no?
What way do i want to go for mobo in my use case?

What would the 5080 cost though?

>>102733957
>>102733961
I think GDDR6X production being siphoned off in favor of GDDR7 or whatever might just be a two birds with one stone kill for NVIDIA, they get an excuse cheapen out on making lower tier cards and they also kill production of the high end, whilst also preventing another RTX 30-series oversupply issue from happening even if they still made bank on that at the time due to inflated pricing in 2022

>>102734018
The x870e nova is the best highend motherboard now the b650 steel legend is the best midrange now

>>102734018
AM5 is so power efficient power section on MB barely matters. You go for x670 if you want more USB and M2 slots. Performance is going to be the same. Gigabyte and ASRock are generally considered best for AM5.

>>102734006
get a 7900XTX

>>102733943
Board partners and/or retailers are the ones raising those card prices.
NVIDIA rarely raises the cost of GeForce cards.
The GeForce executives did the math and it's not worth the risk of oversupplying 4080 Super and 4090s for the extra sales they'll make this late in the Ada Lovelace client product cycle.
You can't order small batches of 5nm wafers, there has to be a significant volume commitment to be worth TSMC's time.

Not to mention TSMC's 5nm fab orders are fully booked and they're running at 100% production atm.

Is the 12400f good for a budget build?

>>102734019
$1600 like the 4090 was meant to even though everyone paid $2000

>>102734057
asrock over asus? Again these are probably gonna sound incredibly stupid but im coming from basically one person's advice and wanna compare.
I take it the ROG STRIX stuff is essentially overpriced? I take it doing a pcie usb expansion slot isnt really a viable solution for a b650?

>>102733907
RMx series is not on the list.

>>102734063
>look up 7900XTX
>3rd result is people hating that they own one
Not today satan

>all these lifeboats

>>102734071
yes

>>102734086
The difference between ATX 3.0 and 3.1 is minor efficiency gains and the provision of a 12V-2x6 connector.
>ATX 3.1 features a shorter hold-up time of 12ms, compared to ATX 3.0's 17ms hold-up time. This results in a small improvement in the PSU's efficiency.
It's not as drastic as you think it is.
As far as I'm aware, the RMx Shift doesn't even have a native 12V-2x6 connector on the PSU side.
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/explorer/diy-builder/power-supply-units/atx-30-vs-atx-31-whats-the-difference/

I WANT THE 5090 AND I WANT IT NOW

>>102734097
You'll find far more user responses of reselling/returning their 7900XTX for a 4080/Super than the opposite.

>>102734120
>RMx Shift doesn't even have a native 12V-2x6 connector on the PSU side
I think not, but what for? Isn't the other end of the cable what matters?

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Day 551 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

why would nvidia even make the 4080 super if theyre going stop production in less than a year

>>102734164
My point is there's even less difference between Corsair's ATX 3.0 and 3.1 PSUs compared to other brands.
The PSU not having a 12V-2x6/12VHPWR connection is safer anyway.
Super Flower and Corsair are the major manufacturers that decided not to use those native connectors in their PSU.

The new Leadex III ATX 3.1 PSUs have them though, probably due to a different board topology to the Leadex VII.

>>102732977
thought on lancool 207?

So what about new AMD cards, what are they just waiting for Nvidia is announce theirs?

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>>102734120
>>102734213
>12V-2x6 connector on the PSU side
Isn't pic related what you're talking about?

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>>102734188
It uses a full AD103 die, not a guaranteed yield.
NVIDIA didn't want to give cut down AD102 dies to GAYMERS, but the chip had to be better than the existing 4080 to have the Super label.
They have other ways to sell AD103 chips.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ad103.g1012

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>>102734266
Notice the power cable in that image, only the GPU-side has the new 12V cable standard.
The PSU side of that cable is using safer standards.
Now look at the Seasonic Vertex's power headers. That's the difference.

Where's the motherfucking 50xx unveiling

Does anyone else still get nervous putting a rig together? About to be my 4th but damn if I don't get jittery as shit.

>>102734363
>One wrong move and you've just wasted hundreds of dollars
It's natural

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>>102734363
I want to assemble a PC so badly, I'd do it every day if I could.

whats the deal with teamgroup ram, is it good value, or is it chinkshit that wont last?

>>102734384
Planned_obsolescence

>>102734384
I'm almost certain all the memory manufacturers are following a reference board design for the sticks and meeting a TDP cooling requirement for the heatsinks.
Teamgroup has been making the better sticks in terms of price/performance.

They were sourcing the fastest JEDEC kits (5600MT/s @ 1.1V VDD/VDDQ) as well.

>>102734413
what brands should I get ram from then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IawfrWLDN4U

>cooling using a fridge basically, compressor? whatever

>>102734471
they'll never be a good company if people dont support them

Someone summarize the leaked Intel slides for me

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>>102732977
I have always bought AMD/ATI since my first PC build because I think acronyms are cooler than words for name brands.

I am not making this up and am completely serious.

>>102734524
I go with MSI cause I like Dragons so its not that retarded

>990 PRO w/ heatsink cheaper than 990 PRO w/o heatsink
thanks amazon...

>>102734377
Same brother if I had unlimited money I would make a new PC every day.

>>102734384
Its all the same anon, all the same chips, hynix, samsung or Micron. Brands don't matter for RAM.

>>102734377
PC Building Simulator only partially scratches my itch

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>gonna have to buy the latest ATX 3.1whatever PSU as well for like 850W-1000W because you can't trust PCI-SIG or NVIDIA to make a 55A connector for existing non-ATX 3.0 PSUs on a fucking $2500 piece of high-tech computing
>even then the best you can hope for is using native 12V connectors and pray it holds
This is some real faggot shit, I can't fucking believe how sloppy and poor quality they make this shit for how much you pay.

>>102734566
>>102734377
You guys are retarded. You should just get a bunch of legos and start playing. This is the most retarded shit I've heard all day.

>>102734610
don't be mean

>>102734594
That's what you get for trusting shintel. It should have

>>102734498
It confirmed Arrow Lake is just a gap filler.
Intel slide spamming faggot BTFO.

>>102734252
PS5 Pro gets first dibs, PC gets sloppy seconds. Just like Nvidia with datacenters you get sloppy consumer seconds.

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>>102734533
My first board was a gigabyte which is antithetical to my philosophy.

I have almost universally (at least for my main personal builds) gone:

AMD CPU
Sapphire ATI/AMD GPU
Gigabyte Motherboard
G.skill RAM
Cooler Master or Noctua more recently fans/CPU cooler
WD Hard Drives
Samsung SSDs
Seasonic or EVGA PSUs.

I basically do not even look at anything else. I was uncomfortable when I had to buy inferior Corsair RAM with my Ryzen 1800X Microcenter bundle. It didn't end up working at full speed with XMP. I ended up returning it for G.Skill which worked flawlessly out of the box, further cementing that I should never deviate from my brand whore harem of manufacturers

>>102734594
>>102734631
They should have asked someone like Supermicro or someone atleast partially competent to build the connector. Shintel and their DEI, this is what you get.

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>>102734610
>'He doesn't find PC assembly, cable management, and performance optimizations to be fun'
You've been missing out.

there's no reason to install windows on your NVMe drive right? a dedicated sata SSD is still fine

>>102734702
nigger your OS should be on the fastest drive you have

>>102734680
Building my first PC, so I might like it. I get excited when looking at new hardware and browsing for used hardware. Its just that its too easy, there is almost no effort, debugging is fun.

>>102734714
I might be committing a sin soon anon. I'm a full time loonix user, but I might buy a windows license for work to run it in VM. Do you need a special key for LTSC?

Coming from a Ryzen 5 2600... Should I upgrade to a 7600X? Does it make sense to spend 500 bucks vs. sidegrading to a 5700X3D?
I use my computer for work (heavy programming), gaming and as a media center (media streaming and other services).

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>>102733279
You shouldn't be swayed by a $50 discount.
MSI Ventus cards also have a more economical heatsink & fan configuration.
You also have to flash a Gaming X or Suprim vBIOS to unlock higher power limits for OCing.

They're not bad, but I'd be expecting more from a $800 MRSP card.

>>102734754
dont buy a key just activate it
https://massgrave.dev

>>102733079
I will not use AMD, sorry my indian friend, but I can afford Intel :)

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>>102734063
>buying an AMD product
lol, lmao

>>102734785
Bruh, you rich, shell out the monies. I bought a 7900x, you should get a 7950x or 7900x. You'll start exploring more things maybe later, heavier compile tasks, VMs, new things if you are exploring them etc. Just get a good one anon.

>>102734865
AMD CPUs
nvidia GPUs
simple as

>>102734714
you will not notice a difference between nvme & normal ssd for an OS

>>102734879
Bro I'm not waiting an extra 5 seconds for my computer to boot up, that shit adds up

why do people shill amd so much

>>102734832
For personal computer I don't mind, I've done it so many times for friends and family. But for work, I'll be logging in with Client's Microsoft account, if something goes wrong there, I don't want to deal with it.

>>102734928
no-brainer for cpu, and their gpus have really good price/perf

>>102734943
>no-brainer for cpu
yes
>their gpus have really good price/perf
lol no

>>102734943
>good price/perf
>20-30 fps less fps with ray tracing on cyberpunk vs 4080 super
no

>>102734943
>their gpus have really good
no

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>>102734897
But it's not five extra seconds, you wouldn't notice the difference in a blind test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aBMffrpxQc

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Kneel

>>102734957
>gay tracing

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I need replies, so what is the latest board and processor combo where you can disable AMD psp? I don't mind paying extra, even if its server grade, lets say I'm willing to pay. So what is the answer?

>>102734936
Wrong thread then ask in the actual work thread not the gamer thread

>>102734879
gen 4/gen5 nvmes have way better random read speeds than sata drives. you do notice this shit in a os. for games you dont notice you're bottlenecked by a single thread.

Is DSR/DLDSR worth using at all?
On my new monitor I have to disable DSC and basically use 1/3 of my refresh rate for the picture to look "fine".

>>102734668
The moment I looked at the 12VHWPR plugs at the component level, I realized it was complete parsimony. The safety margins are such that if ONE of those pins has a problem, you inevitably get a thermal runaway as a result. Now multiply that point of failure times twelve, and you get 12VHPWR or whatever they call it now.

>>102734879
Because your Windows NVME driver is from 2006.

>>102734972
Yes, a basic function AMD cant do

Holy fuck going back down to 60 fps after using 165+ monitors is shit for gaming even in single player games. Feels choppy.

>>102735059
The human eye cant see past 24 fps

>>102734962
>>102734879

I think it's good to have on nvme, windows does all kinds of stuff, it's more than just boot. Indexing things, scanning things, raping things, installing updates behind your back and so on.

>>102735110
also pagefile

Will battlemage be good

>990 Pro 4TB still $310 after taxes with prime discount
when will storage stop being so astronomically expensive?

>>102735158
Not at all, that's why Battlemage isn't out yet.
Intel is probably having trouble getting 15~20% performance gains out of a smaller 5nm chips.

>>102734161
good, that means I can get one for cheaper

Brehs, what is the best file system for SSDs? On loonix if that matters.

Can someone explain to me why the 990 Pro with a heatsink is less than the one without a heatsink? Shouldnt the one without a heatsink be worse?

>>102735262
The ones with a heaksink are for PS5, the ones without are for PC. Your mobo should have it's own heatsink for NVME if it isn't shit

>>102733407
Apple
>nearly bankrupt and had to be bailed out my microsoft
>worlds first trillion dorra company

>>102735262
Stop trying to make sense out of it and just grab it when its still on offer.

>>102735262
Because most of the people who buy 990 Pro drives usually have a mid-high range board with built-in NVMe heat spreaders.
And most of their use cases don't run the drive that hot.
There are definitely power users, but a majority of them would be on prebuilt workstations.

>>102735350
>Because most of the people who buy 990 Pro drives usually have a mid-high range board with built-in NVMe heat spreaders.
>And most of their use cases don't run the drive that hot.
But would a drive with a heatsink not be compatible then or is it just essentially overkill at least when it comes to managing to heat?

How long will it take mobo manufacturers to update BIOS for Zen 5 X3D?
Thinking of picking up an A620 board (mITX so still "premium") and grabbing a 9800X3D since 7800X3D prices are fucked

when 5500x3d

anyone familiar with asrock x670e / x870e motherboards?

do they have an asynch eclk feature ?

i have a x870e nova and the description for it sounds like it isn't asynchronous. it booted at 102 mhz though

>>102735253
ext4

>>102735059
I can tell you right now those first gen 165hz ips panels are completely blown away by modern 360hz ips panels.
get a pg27aqn while it's only $600 not sure what the 360hz oleds are.

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I have a 3700X and an RTX 4070

Is it worth it to drop a 5700X3D in there for about 200€?

It should be like +30% faster in games but are games even bottlenecked?

>>102735059
60fps now requires framegen to look okay. lsfg/afmf2 60fps > native 60fps.

>>102735369
You just have to remove the board's integrated M.2 heat spreader, most of them are mediocre at best anyway.
Very few users are going to heat throttle these SSD for an extended time.
It's the Gen 5 NVMe drives that need serious cooling.

>>102735442
look for Base Clock Control

>>102735498
990 Pro IS a Gen 5 though

>>102734377
I've helped all my friends build enough computers that no one asks me for help besides picking out components(less now that we're adults and it's just whatever the best is at the time). Sad times.

>>102735491
at 1080p yes, 1440p/4k no

so is a "chimney-style" airflow configuration (blowing air in from the bottom, blowing it out the top, with the cpu cooler configured to exhaust out the top) only bad because of the gpu blocking the flow? Im doing an apu build so this wouldnt be a concern, any reason not to do it?

>>102735491
Depends on the games you play and the visual settings.
CPU upgrade would give you higher frames overall, especially the minimums.
It's up to you to decide whether that's worth the 200€.

See if you can get one sourced from this AliExpress seller, no warranty if it breaks though.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806921974699.html

>>102735532
its basically the xbox series x and copycats airflow. air comes in from bottom/rear and exhausts from top.

>>102735462
That's the one I use already. Apparently ssds are getting fast as fuck, so same old file systems as the ones I've been using since hdd days?

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>>102735525
Brainrot
https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/internal-ssd/990-pro/

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>>102735522
This is what it said in the bios.
So far it has booted and im running cinebench 2024 on it. 102 mhz so my single core boosts to 5150mhz now.
The guy on skatterbench got his to 107 mhz.

>>102735565
ext4 was introduced in 2006. ntfs (what windows uses) by comparison came out in 1993. ext4 is modern tech compared to that dinosaur. other filesystems exist which are better in certain edgecase workloads but ext4 is the goto default.

>>102735543
That link says 180€ for me
It's 196€ here in local shops so not really a big discount

>>102735586
You should be able to decouple it from the PCI bus clock under Advanced.

>>102735442
Afaik nova doesn't have it. Only the taichi and taichi lite do

>>102735679
That would make sense. i'm looking through taichi reviews to see what it says in the bios for that setting.
I can't believe it even booted at 102 mhz. on x570 my msi board would only boot at 101 mhz and it would blue screen.

A 5090 JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

how much would be OKish to pay for motherboard? 200-300 EUR?

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>Better IMC on Arrow Lake SoC
>Tile structure increases memory latency

Upgrading my OS SSD that’s an M.2 and I’m wondering what’s a good adapter that can be used so that I only have to transfer my OS once?

How much do you guys think I could sell my old 980 Ti for? I think it's the last card nvidia made with a VGA port, aren't there some VGA weirdos out there that might pay extra for that?

>>102735816
Grab some M.2 enclosure with a USB port, you'll be able to use it your old SSD as an external drive once you're done with the swap.

>>102735847
$50 probably, I'm keeping my GTX 980 as a backup card.

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>>102735775
Moar cores but worse latency. The Ryzen dilemma or Trunks problem. You have all this bandwidth power but its too slow to reach its target so it ends up performing worse.

>>102735756
Budget rig: €80-100
Mainstream gaming: €100-150
Workstation/special purpose: As much as is necessary.

>>102735110
none of those require the throughput an nvme provides

>>102735132
you don't have enough RAM

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>>102735862
Do shounenspics really communicate in DBZ analogies?

>>102735775
Chiplets were a mistake. Imagine if they just die shrunk Raptor Lake or take the RPL die and swapped out Raptor Cove for Lion Cove P-Cores, and Gracemont for Skymont E-Core 1-for-1.

Maybe TSMC's faggot node is just shit?

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>>102735885
Yes. Also this is why AMD is putting in lots of cache. To avoid cache misses. More power isn't the answer, it's how you sustain it. Goku figured that out.

Why doesn't intel or amd make an extra big core for a gaming cpu like what arm does with the prime, gold, and silver cores?

>>102735919
Jim Keller tried that but Intel's sanhedrin fired him because he wouldn't participate in child sacrifice rituals.

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>>102735919
>for a gaming cpu
>a gaming cpu
Imao at this kid, it's not worth designing a specific gaming chip.
X3D CCDs are sourced from leftover or cut-down Epyc chiplets.

I have an in for buying a ASUS RTX 4090
Matrix Platinum, should I pull the trigger? I know it's $3200 but still

>>102735919
>an extra big core
crysis 1 called and wants it core back

Meteor/Arrow Lake style tiles with memory controller on SOC tile separate from CPU tile is evidently a misstep as Lunar/Panther Lake (and beyond) keeps them together

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>>102735862
>>102735913

>>102735978
So you're saying wait® for better chips.

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>>102735919
>2-way, in-order execution
imagine this bullshit in your desktop processor

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>>102735963
This late? Obviously not anon. Just get the top end 5090 that they produce.

>>102736080
it will be a year before 5090 aftermarket cards are really ready to go

>>102735988
just buy ayymd & stop using windows.

>>102736080
I want a wife like Ui IRL, where do I find them?

>>102736152
get a tulpa

What's the trick to buying a GPU? What are the telling features to know that you should wait for the next generation? Like the 900 series to 10 series jump was huge, and the 40 series over the 30 series. Were there telling hints before they were release or even announced?

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>>102736152
I married a Japanese and Spanish mix. She's pretty much like that. Try those anon.

>>102736171
What's that anon?

>>102736278
HUBTim just put out a historical overall of the the die positioning of each SKU in Nvidia's marketing (and thus pricing) you can use in conjunction with current rumors to set expectations. The 5080 should be a 5070 by all rights due to be cut down by 50% over the flagship:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvL-Mplhog8

>>102736310
Basically an imaginary friend, but one that your belief in has given them a free will and independent agency. Consult /x/ they are experts on that stuff.

>>102736345
This is a disturbing trend from nvidia, the 4090 was only 88.9% of the full die and they never released a 4090 Ti

>>102736306
Lucky bastard, I saw this online today. Its over, no nihons with jeet mix girls https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T5OlEM7pfC4

I'm never going to land any nihon grils. Is your wife a gamer? You have lots of Anon Jrs right anon?

There any speaker recommendations that's like best bang for your buck? I already have headphones that I use for any "serious" watching and gaming. I just want ones to have for general use so I'm not wearing headphones all the time.

>>102736473
Get into chifi scene anon, I want micca RB42s or Snoy SSCS5s. Bookshelves with an amp is the best way to go. I'm using headphones for now. Try /hpg/ or /iemg/

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>tfw no nihon gf

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nebhH7_5_4o

Will the PCs make the pain go away?

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>>102736455
You can anon, gambatte. She does play vidya and anime. Her favourite is cult of lamb right now. No little anons yet, but we will in a year or two.

>>102736381
What did you expect when they have a near monopoly now and AMD even gave up the high end this gen (and who knows how many more)?

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>>102736621
>No little anons yet, but we will in a year or two.
I disappoint.

>>102734970
kek

>the limpest dick in the GPU wars has arrived

>>102736930
I want Shintel to succeed in GPUs. NJudea is a bit much.

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what is the usual limit for bclk overclocking? seems like my computer doesn't want to work at 103mhz unless i set 25 positive curve optimizer but then that somehow neuters the pbo settings so it wont boost higher.....

are 4060ti's good

>>102737093
everything below a 4070 Ti is garbage

>>102737009
>bclk overclocking
If you're lucky your pcie SSD will start shitting itself in read/write performance due to errors from working over design bus speed.
If you're unlucky it will silently fail and fuck your data.

>>102737145
source ?

>>102733108
Bot

Odds on the 9950x3d having v-cache on both chiplets? I need to upgrade my 4770k soon, and the 7950x3d is attractive but I fear it might be a unicorn that wont be well supported in the future.

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>>102737154
Just part of the PCIe spec. The tolerance is very tight.
NVMe drives are not built to run on higher bus speeds.

So when is 9800X3D expected to be announced and released? End of October?

>>102737339
>announced
Might be at the media event in two days if the leakers aren't completely full of shit about it being released this year.

>>102736969
They hit the market with a plop like a fresh warm cow patty on a summer day. Maybe they can recover over time or maybe they will trash the GPU division. It certainly seems they did not adjust pricing based on their actual performance.

Who in general is actually using these on purpose?

>honestly I had a chance to buy an Arc A770 "freshly pulled" for super cheap but after considering it found that my very old workstation does not support ReBAR so that idea got scrapped else I would be posting benchmarks of it here.

>>102737009
The limit is "don't bother" since even if you get your epin 3% base clock increase it will likely have no noticeable impact on anything you do. The days of OC are effectively over, there are no real perf gains left to be had. You're better off tweaking memory timings or some shit.

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>>102732977
Is this a good deal?
>>102737593
Battlemage is supposed to actually slap hard.

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Will this last me a couple years before I need to upgrade?

>>102737680
everything looks fine but your ram is retarded.

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>>102737258
well it seems like it is running fine at 102mhz right now. I've read other people online who don't have any problems at this speed.
I honestly forgot all about the eclk feature on the motherboards. The only other board that had the layout I wanted was the rog strix 870e and that was $500.

>>102737663
idc took me like 20 mins to get a free 2% performance gain across the board.

I disabled the igpu and bclk spread spectrum in the bios so I wonder If I could get it to work at 103 now.

If I buy like a 5 year old unopened CPU. Is the pre applied thermal paste in the cooler still good to use?

>>102737741
Why? I thought 8000 CAS 38 is good?

>>102737216
I think the odds are good. 3d v-cache on only one chiplet was unpopular with customers, having it on both chiplets would only add like $20 to costs, and clocks seem pretty similar to non-x3d models this time.

>>102737760
For intel maybe, but the general consensus for zen 4 is 6000 cl 30. Also, why would you have a 4090, and a 7950x3d, and ONLY have 32gb of ram? You should get 48-96 gigs if you're going for a 'fuck you' build.

>people spend $1000+ every year on a new phone with negligible differences
>however spending $2000 on a GPU that will last 6+ years is frowned upon

>>102737680
probably not. It looks like you need to have the latest and greatest gear so I doubt that would last 5 years.

>>102737664
Sure. Seems to be the cheapest 18TB drive available but you ought to check some lower capacity ones and run the numbers based on your RAID setup. I'm also inclined to be wary about enterprise drives on the consumer market - lots of "refurbished" models out there - but your pickings will be slim at this capacity.

>>102737795
don't be ridiculous, 48+GB of RAM is a waste of money

>>102737804
"a couple" is 2 years, not 5

>>102737752
Depends on the paste used and storage conditions. Not something I'd risk. Then again you've got to be pretty broke to be asking this so it's worth a shot.

>>102737826
As is the rest of his build.

>>102737680
if you are serious about that build you should get a x870e mobo.

the asus x870e crosshair hero to be precise.

>>102737863
woosh

>>102737826
It unironically is not. I use my machine for browsing, gaming and video editing work. I've had occasions where my ram has maxed out, but admittedly when working my ram typically overs around 32gb, but it does go up to 40gb fairly regularly. It's just nice to not have to care sometimes anon.

>>102737826
it's the perfect size to setup a ramdisk and have speeds faster than pcie gen 10 nvme drives.

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>>102737680

>>102737884
I don't do video editing

>>102737854
I actually do have a tube of paste already so it's not a money problem. I just don't want to use too much paste and fuck up something.

>>102737216
i'm pretty sure the rumor is that the v-cache will be on both ccd this time.

>>102737865
but that is over $500 cheaper?

>>102737931
perfect for getting a pcie 5.0 nvme drive with the spare money.

>>102737915
It's impossible to accidentally use too much non-conductive paste. Excess just gets squeezed out the sides - messy but it won't damage anything.

>>102737814
>check some lower capacity ones and run the numbers based on your RAID setup
I don't have one yet, still looking at hardware to buy and mindfactory has a deal running right now (https://www.mindfactory.de/DAMN)
>I'm also inclined to be wary about enterprise drives on the consumer market - lots of "refurbished" models out there
It has 5 years of warranty though. Also isn't just the case refurbished? Is 18TB so ubiquitous that they can refurbish them in such high capacities already?
>but your pickings will be slim at this capacity.
Not looking for such high capacity per se, but if it's a good deal, I won't say no.

>>102737664
seems like a rip off. I was buying new 22 TB drives for $300 off of reddit in january this year.

>>102737865
Still staying away from gay-sus. Asrock ftw.

I've been out of the PC hardware loop for a decade
I placed an order for a 7700X because it was on sale
I doubt I'll need 100% of the CPU so is underclocking/undervolting for power consumption/heat still a thing?

>>102737994
The taichi x870 board is probably really good. i have the x870e nova right now and it is amazing so far.

crosshair hero is still bigger e-peen unless the asrock comes out with an aqua board.

>>102738032
you can easily power limit those cpus. Many boards will have an "eco" feature or use ryzen master for it.
I don't know why anyone would do that though unless they were using a 2 Liter itx case.

>>102738052
>>102738023

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>>102737826
kek

>system never pages to disk
>ramlets don't know the buttery smooth joy of it

>>102738052
i have a massive full tower case and a beefy air cooler
i just figured using less power = more electricity bill savings if i'm not utilizing the entire cpu anyways

>>102735017
now days a lot of games will let you change the internal render res so those features arent as relevant.

>>102737979
>I was buying new 22 TB drives for $300 off of reddit in january this year.
Fug. Got a link for me plox?

>>102737797
by whom?

>>102737752
The answer is yes, it will be fine.

>>102738090
it was a guy in the homelab sales subreddit.

>>102738098
Normies
>>102738106
Ah, so not a list like https://diskprices.com/ ?

>>102737969
>I don't have one yet, still looking at hardware to buy
Yeah that's what I'm saying. If, say, 16TB drives are cheaper per TB it might be cheaper overall to use those with a different RAID setup. I don't think it's likely given the deal on offer but it's something to consider.

>It has 5 years of warranty though. Also...
"Refurbished" was in scare quotes for a reason - basically they're just used drives. Again not saying this is the case here just something to be aware of. I got burned with some Exos units back in 2020 but fortunately, like these, they were under warranty when they died. The problem is you don't really expect enterprise drives to have retail packaging so nothing is amiss when they turn up in bare bubble bags.

32gb of DDR5-6000 PC5-48000 CL32
vs
48gb DDR5-5200 PC5-41600 CL40
Is the extra 12gb of ram worth the slower speed? I have no idea what these numbers mean other than one is slower than the other.

>>102738023
Just run it stock and let it do it's own power management so you can get on with your pursuit of happiness

>of course if your happiness depends on tweaking every available thing on your system have at it.

>>102738123
If you regularly need >32GB then yes. If not, no.

>>102738123
if you're just gaymen then 32GiB is enough until the next console generation, and if they cuck out on hardware (as they always do) it will be enough for the entire life cycle

>>102738140
>>102738148
Is that speed reduction significant? What happens if you have slower RAM anyways

>>102738098
most people in here

>>102737373
AMD is overlapping Arrow Lake's announcement?

>>102738154
Depends what you're doing. No difference for web browsing and office, maybe a little on your 1% lows in games, huge in memory bandwidth constrained applications. To be fair the last one isn't exactly common on the desktop but anything that regularly uses >32GB is probably somewhat sensitive to bandwidth.

>>102735043
Gaytracing will never be worth it sorry

>>102736505
Never heard of that term before but thanks. I'll look into it, as well as those recs.

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Bought some Lian Li's clones (Jungle Leopard S30) on Amazon for half their price, reviews from the brand seemed decent, I didn't want to overspend on case fans of all things

What do you guys do for driver issues on nvidia? 4070 ti super is crashing so much and i already ran ddu.

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>>102738327
>driver issues
>nvidia

>>102738335
the screen goes black and event viewer says nvidia dll something faulted when i reboot

>>102736505
whats your budget? I have found that most of the "computer" speaker setups are poor value even if they have a fancy controller and shit like that. You can get decent all-inclusive setups if you want to blow through some shekels though I prefer using separate components.

I use cheap stuff.

>Topping MX3 amp
>thrift store Realistic Minimus 7s, modded with crossover
>30 year old AudioSource 12" powered subwoofer

Cheap and cheerful and sounds notably better than the Edifiers I tried, though the Edifiers were pretty good the Minimus 7s are just more livable at all volumes.

>>102738327
>4070 ti super

thats a 285W card. what are your PSU and motherboard specs?

>>102738173
It was known for a long time that AMD would be holding an event to unveil the Turin server CPUs on the 10th, I'm not sure if there was an official announcement-of-announcement from Intel.

>>102738461
OooOOoo cannot wait for the Turin tech to trickle down to the desktop users

>if I live that long, anyway

True Black 400 or Peak 1000 nits?

Anybody with experience with gaming laptops, which has better build quality and cooling; Asus Tuf A15 or the Lenovo Loq? I have them with virtually the same specs with an AMD 8845HS/8945H and a 4060 and at the same price.

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>>102733192
Geforce doesn't need DXVK, or at least it's not much better even if it does help

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>>102733520
> For 4K though I'd be looking at the 4080
I have the 4090 and it leaves to be desired in 4k. It works but fps could be higher in AAA titles. Is the 4080 so much better?

>>102733961
$2000 would be a steal! I wish it was more exclusive to own the very best there is.

>>102734309
Ah yes. But does that matter at all?
Other than using safer standards, using the old connections allows you to plug in a standard 8x2 or the 12V new one, so it's more flexible.
Feels like a win-win.
Why would any PSU manufacturer use the new 12V connector on the PSU size?

Are there any good deals this prime day?

>>102734039
> The x870e nova is the best highend motherboard now
It's the only real deal of all the X870E boards, almost worth it's high price tag while all other boards are ruthlessly overpriced. Unless you need a pcie gen 3.0 slot in x4 mode: it's PCIE3 (PCIe 3.0 x16 slot) runs in x2 mode, beware!).