Previous /sdg/ thread : >>102786564>Beginner UI local installEasyDiffusion: https://easydiffusion.github.ioFooocus: https://github.com/lllyasviel/fooocusMetastable: https://metastable.studio>Local installAutomatic1111: https://github.com/automatic1111/stable-diffusion-webuiComfyUI: https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUIForge: https://github.com/lllyasviel/stable-diffusion-webui-forgeSD.Next: https://github.com/vladmandic/automaticAMD GPU: https://rentry.org/sdg-link#amd-gpuIntel GPU: https://rentry.org/sdg-link#intel-gpu>Use a VAE if your images look washed outhttps://rentry.org/sdvae>Run cloud hosted instancehttps://rentry.org/sdg-link#run-cloud-hosted-instance>Try online without registrationflux-dev: https://huggingface.co/spaces/black-forest-labs/FLUX.1-devsd3: https://huggingface.co/spaces/stabilityai/stable-diffusion-3-mediumtxt2img: https://www.mage.spaceimg2img: https://huggingface.co/spaces/huggingface/diffuse-the-rest>Models, LoRAs & upscalinghttps://civitai.comhttps://huggingface.cohttps://aitracker.arthttps://openmodeldb.info>Black Forest Labs: Fluxhttps://huggingface.co/black-forest-labs/FLUX.1-schnellhttps://comfyanonymous.github.io/ComfyUI_examples/flux>Index of guides and other toolshttps://rentry.org/sdg-linkhttps://rentry.org/rentrysd>View and submit GPU performance datahttps://vladmandic.github.io/sd-extension-system-info/pages/benchmark.htmlhttps://docs.getgrist.com/3mjouqRSdkBY/sdperformance>Share image prompt info4chan removes prompt info from images, share them with the following guide/site...https://rentry.org/hdgcbhttps://catbox.moe>Related boards>>>/h/hdg>>>/e/edg>>>/c/kdg>>>/d/ddg>>>/b/degen>>>/vt/vtai>>>/aco/sdg>>>/u/udg>>>/tg/slop>>>/trash/sdg
>mfw Resource news10/12/2024>ComfyUI nodes for outpainting images with diffusershttps://github.com/GiusTex/ComfyUI-DiffusersImageOutpaint>JoyCaptionAlpha Two for ComfyUIhttps://github.com/EvilBT/ComfyUI_SLK_joy_caption_two10/11/2024>JoyCaptionAlpha Two for ComfyUIhttps://github.com/EvilBT/ComfyUI_SLK_joy_caption_two>INTELLECT-1: World's First 10B-Parameter AI Model Trained by Global Volunteershttps://www.primeintellect.ai/blog/intellect-1>ComfyUI-PMRF: Posterior-Mean Rectified Flowhttps://github.com/2kpr/ComfyUI-PMRF>Emerging Pixel Grounding in Large Multimodal Models Without Grounding Supervisionhttps://groundlmm.github.io>Q-VLM: Post-training Quantization for Large Vision-Language Modelshttps://github.com/ChangyuanWang17/QVLM>Generalizable and Animatable Gaussian Head Avatarhttps://github.com/xg-chu/GAGAvatar>Relational Diffusion Distillation for Efficient Image Generationhttps://github.com/cantbebetter2/RDD>Rectified Diffusion: Straightness Is Not Your Needhttps://github.com/G-U-N/Rectified-Diffusion10/10/2024>IterComp: Iterative Composition-Aware Feedback Learning from Model Gallery for Text-to-Image Generationhttps://github.com/YangLing0818/IterComp>InstructG2I: Synthesizing Images from Multimodal Attributed Graphshttps://github.com/PeterGriffinJin/InstructG2I>Trans4D: Realistic Geometry-Aware Transition for Compositional Text-to-4D Synthesishttps://github.com/YangLing0818/Trans4D>EvolveDirector: Approaching Advanced T2I Generation with Large VLMshttps://github.com/showlab/EvolveDirector>Representation Alignment for Generation: Training Diffusion Transformers Is Easier Than You Thinkhttps://sihyun.me/REPA>Pyramidal Flow Matching for Efficient Video Generative Modelinghttps://pyramid-flow.github.io>AMD launches AI chip to rival Nvidia’s Blackwell https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/10/amd-launches-mi325x-ai-chip-to-rival-nvidias-blackwell-.html
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>mfw Research news10/12/2024>Neural Contrast: Leveraging Generative Editing for Graphic Design Recommendationshttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.07211>3D2M Dataset: A 3-Dimension diverse Mesh Datasethttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.07415>RNA: Video Editing with ROI-based Neural Atlashttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.07600>ReinDiffuse: Crafting Physically Plausible Motions with Reinforced Diffusion Modelhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.07296>Mitigation of gender bias in automatic facial non-verbal behaviors generationhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.07274>How Does Vision-Language Adaptation Impact the Safety of Vision Language Models?https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.07571>Insight Over Sight? Exploring the Vision-Knowledge Conflicts in Multimodal LLMshttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.08145>LADIMO: Face Morph Generation through Biometric Template Inversion with Latent Diffusionhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.07988>MotionGS: Exploring Explicit Motion Guidance for Deformable 3D Gaussian Splattinghttps://ruijiezhu94.github.io/MotionGS_page>I-Max: Maximize the Resolution Potential of Pre-trained Rectified Flow Transformers with Projected Flowhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.07536>QT-DoG: Quantization-aware Training for Domain Generalizationhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.06020>InstantIR: Blind Image Restoration with Instant Generative Referencehttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.06551>Does Spatial Cognition Emerge in Frontier Models?https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.06468>HERM: Benchmarking and Enhancing Multimodal LLMs for Human-Centric Understandinghttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.06777>Towards Interpreting Visual Information Processing in Vision-Language Modelshttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.07149>Implicit to Explicit Entropy Regularization: Benchmarking ViT Fine-tuning under Noisy Labelshttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.04256>Attention Shift: Steering AI Away from Unsafe Contenthttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.04447>BodyShapeGPT: SMPL Body Shape Manipulation with LLMshttps://arxiv.org/abs/2410.03556
Afternoon anons
i LITERALLY look like all of the above
>>102795397heyo
>>102795419Literally me
minus the 1girl, could be nice skate/long board design
>>102795240This is great. Thanks for sharing.
>when you need to erase an artifact, but it's giving the nearest complex reflective surface a color bukkakefuck me
attempts at quokkas
>>102796399tails or tentacles?
>>102795330Nice dithering, which plugin are you using for it?
>>102796430started out as a tail
>>102796532this is why i avoid laying down gens,arms always go crazy for me
>>102796552Somewhere along the way, this led to genning four arms on purpose, including with that one
nice when the civitai trainer fails, and refunds the buzz, after i already dled the most likely useful epochs
>>102796569embracing the halluncination is fun
>>102796770
How did Flux getting training data of me IRL?
>>102797389you'll never convince me you're not a mouse at a keyboard
>>102797270You're not wrong
>>102797679very ani-coded
>>102797800not him but I miss that bastard. probably working like a dog nowadays
>>102795249focks
>>102797855last time he came through, he was leaving japan and said he was nearing completion of his cpp inference engine>>102688313 >very soon the green light for release will happen
i remember someone once posted something you could use to see what the model could see based on what you wrotecan someone post it again?
>>102798222naive faggot kek
>>102798441I want to believe
Wow Illustrious is a great anime model (after injecting it with DPO at 0.3 strength, SPO at 0.8 strength, and an 800-image Lora I trained myself at 0.74 strength, and only posting here a hi-res-fixed image that was upscaled with Remacri and denoised at 0.5 strength for the same number of steps as the original gen)seriously this thing is clearly unfinished, super inconsistent, and mediocre as hell out of the box, i don't know how to rationally explain the hype it's receiving at all, like it's just not very good or interesting in any way
can you run flux on 12gb?
Amaze, sd inference originally, supports flux now. It's inference from AMD for Windows. Has anyone tried it? I found it doesn't like Wine.repost from ldg, it's a ghost town.
>>102798309BIG image. upscaled or phat gpu?
I nominate merging ldg, sdg, and the dalle one.
>>102797270I'm the only one that can't get off to generated content?
i've been trying to fiddle with more 'photorealistic' models now, going away from anime for a bit.What models you guys recommend? been looking at asgard and dreamshaper XL.I'd go for flux but i only have 12gb vram
>>102798653Yes
>>102798715Really? I only have 16gb ram though.
>>102798722I have 64 ddr4 with 12gb Vram. You need 32+ Ram to run smoothly imo.
>>102798734I see. How bad is the wait though? Might be worst grabbing a few sticks if it isnt too bad.
Newfag hereWhats the difference between /ldg/ and /sdg/?
>>102798743I was having caching problems with sdxl at 32gbs, I went to 64 haven't had any problems at all there. now I want a seconf GPU, an A5000 would be good.
>>102798709what kind of content are you wanting to make, like does it need to be able to do hardcore NSFW or no
>>102798630>this thing is clearly unfinished, super inconsistent, and mediocre as hell out of the boxmaybe fine tunes can save it
>>102798757one has more annoying contrarians than the other
>>102798787it's already a finetune of Kohaku Beta Revision 5 which is in turn a finetune of Base SDXL lmao, thing is fried as fuck. And apparently we're getting "Noob AI" soon which adds another layer of full fine tuning to this monstrosity
>>102798757/sdg/ is for avatarfags and spamming the same image relentlessly everyday/ldg/ is a bit more tech focused
>>102798773good question. Not necessarely anything nsfw right now but i like to dabble on it from time to time.
>>102798861I guess you could keep an eye of some of the more interesting realistic Pony derivatives then. For something that can't directly do hardcore but can do like nudity in general I've long been a fan of JibMix as far as realistic models go, it tends to have better prompt adherence than anything else I've ever come acrosshttps://civitai.com/models/194768?modelVersionId=672019V15 is worse than V14 I find though, hence why I'm linking V14 here.
>>102798842What was the situation with github ticket? I have heard about it but not sure after all.
>>102798975Lol, where did you hear that? You're clearly not a newfag if you know about that.
the strangest thing about SD3 is that the loss is ALWAYS crazy low, but it has no visible bearing on if the results are actually good in practice
>>102799099why does she have coom dripping from her hand
>>102799169thought of it more like ghost plasma or goo, ectoplasm idk
>>102798671link?>>102798704merge where?>>102798705I can't>>102798757none, they're arbitrary lines in the sand. anyone who tells you differently is trying to sell you something>>102798816but maybe the god tier fine tune hasn't been made yet
>>102799188fair
>>102798991>foot lickerkek
>>102799199the real question is how the model gained any ground when it's just not really noticeably better than various other actually-anime-specific non-Pony finetunes on CivitAI, like i fundamentally don't understand the origins of the hype
>>102799219I've been wondering that too. I guess hdg fell in love with it and I've seen some twitter heads hocking it too, but the question remains: why? it kinda sucks
>>1027986851280x1024 then hires at 2x, i forgot to set it to 1.5xon 3090ti
posting like a caveman
>>102798971No matter which model but the CivitAI examples are always disgusting and shitty, Jesus F. Christ.It's almost amazing how well people can make everything look the same.
>>102799226HDG seems to love it. But they're also directly responsible for people thinking that "the greasy noisy chromatic aberrationy look of using Base Pony with DPM++ 2M Karras" is either related to anime in any way or actually a real "art style" based on anything any actual human ever drew. Neither of which is the case.
>>102799350Sample images are kind of a losing battle, they sort of have to fit into a certain way of looking I guess to get attention, which is why I personally don't put that much stock into them. Jib is a very solid model for the reasons I stated at least IMO once you're actually using it, for that particular sort of realistic-can-do-nudity-but-not-full-hardcore sort of use case.
>>102799199sorry, it's called Amuse. Apparently only for 7900 XT and XTX?https://www.amuse-ai.com/
>>102799521oh, its not open source. too bad
attempt at that dot matrix thing
>>102799584Maybe not. Is it faster than comfyui? idk
>>102799236>>102799236>hiresWhat's hires?And on your 3090, how long does it take per sit at 2048x2048?I'm tryingflux dev (actually doing the de-distill, it performs identically to dev in speed)cfg to 1. no lora.81 sits (s. econds / it. eration)
>>102799688Have you defragmented you gpu / tensor cores? Could help a lot.
>>102799697*r
>>102799697I have an amd card, the 6950xt. Nobody every heard of AMD, it's an exotic type of graphics card.
>>102799697
>>102799688>de-distill>cfg to 1huh?
Do I flip the bios select switch 5x to activate defrag?
>>102799688hires fix, i'm on forgesteps 40/40 [03:44<00:00, 5.61s/it]>flux dev (actually doing the de-distill, it performs identically to dev in speed)de-distilled was almost 2-3x as slow for me than dev Q8_0 gguf
>>102799731misread>>102799688>And on your 3090, how long does it take per sit at 2048x2048?here's 2048x2048, i do use my waifu lora tho at 0.5 steps 28/28 [06:16<00:00, 13.44s/it]also this >>102799723try cfg 3 / distilled cfg 0
>>10279977013 sits, why don't you always gen big images?
>>102799807>6:16even doing the hires upscale to 2x like in >>102798309and >>102799236was still>steps 40/40 [05:20<00:00, 8.01s/ita whole minute lessi'm impatient like that sometimes, especially if i'm watching the preview and it's doing something i dont want so i cancel and start a new one ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
here's flux-dev-de-distill-Q8_0 at 2048x2048>28/28 [06:16<00:00, 13.46s/it]i guess it is just as fast now, it wasnt a couple days ago when i tried it, maybe forge had some updates since theni'll have to give it a go one of these days
>>102799851>impatientdesu onegirls don't deserve the resources.
>>102799970Depends... what if it's true love?
>>102799977i'll do 2048x2048 only if she puts out
flux-dev-de-distill-Q8_0 1280x1024 -> 1.5x hires fix>steps 52/52 [04:31<00:00, 5.22s/it]guess i'll just switch now since there's no difference speedwise, but i'll have to redo prompt/settings again>>102799970>desu onegirls don't deserve the resources.lel probably not
>>102800210Does the "fluxface" not bother you? I downloaded a ton of loras just to avoid fluxface.
>>102800245besides the buttchin what do you mean by flux face?
>>102800261"petite" faces with virtually no bodyfat.picrel is not a gen.
>>102800308these lines bother me more, much worse than regular fluxplus i am genning for skinny girls lel
>>102800261Maybe the best way to put it is all the women flux makes could be elves in a movie.
>>102800316>and that's a good thingof all things flux does, that one bothers me the least if at all
>>102800308also not a gen.What do you think? this lady Jean Harlow had a buttchin. But notice she had fat in her jaw.
>>102800326
>>102800308>>102800331>>102800326yeh i get why some people think those two are great beauties, but they were never really my taste
I'm going to generate Cumdalf and Bilbo T-Baggins.
>>102800316Generic Flux Lady is disturbingly gaunt, that's how I'd put it. Not in a way that the majority of people even seem to find appealing, if you ask me whoever tested Flux before release was extremely out of touch with what real people actually think looks good.
>>102800375I think you have a pretty limited idea about AI and developing models.
>>102800375lel maybe that's why i like flux girl so much>out of touch with what real people actually think looks goodwell, as a non-real person, i wont dispute that
>>102800375i'd also argue that Flux is not even remotely close to as much better than any other model out there as it should be for having 12B parameters, like the gap is WAY smaller than i'd expect personally
>>102800396Not really, facially-speaking SD3 drew proper looking people and properly understood what the word "photograph" meant. Didn't have plastic skin, etc etc. Would have been great if it weren't for the strange anatomy issues beyond that. Maybe how I should have put it is that the Flux team seems to have thought people would not notice the extremely significant impacts of distillation on the model, but they were wrong, everyone noticed / is noticing.
>>102800370I don't get why ai can't let me choose facial features by some kind of code. So strange. It CAN do a wide range.
>>102800404>>102800418>>102800449idk, flux does well enough if you prompt for normal peoplemaybe you're looking for a code when yu should be looking for a phrase instead
>>102800331why do women shave off their eyebrows just to draw them (poorly) back on?
>>102800463this isn't bad but the shiny plasticness (a direct result of distillation) is still really noticeable across the entire image. SDXL Lightning and Hyper models have the same problem for the same reason. You've got some pretty strange haloing going on there too, it reminds me of the overdone ambient occlusion in Far Cry 3 lol.
>>102800463:^)Let's see you gen a round faced babe.
>>102800482well, you are set in your opinions it seemsthis >>102800463and pic related are "undistilled" flux, so it could be something in my settings/prompt toobut anyway, all i can say is use what works for what you want to do>>102800531( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
>>102800589wrong one( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
>>102800589>babe>40 years oldI mean ok lmao
>>102800599kek
>>102800599my brother in christ, keep posting this; not >>102800589 that
>>102800666UwU
i have a dream that one day this thread will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We love fat bitches, fr fr, no cap"
>>102800615i like it. needs more "1girl big tits", but a fair effort none the less!
>>102800720i used to be a prompter like you, until i took a fat bitch to the knee
bruh really out here lookin at them feet like he tryna unlock the secret menu at denny’s, “lemme get the corns with a side of bunions.” like senpai, orwell warned us about a boot stomping on a human face forever and my dude over here like “yo, what size tho?”
>>102800791aint no one showing up at dennys thinking there's some secret good food locked behind a mystery menu. you go there when you're drunk at 3am and its the only place open and you maybe get to see a fist fight for no reason
gn all>>102800651>>102800655>>102800657lel maybe next time
>>102800813THAT'S HER! THE FLUX GIRL
>>102800813gn
>>102800803>you go there when you're drunk at 3am and its the only place open and you maybe get to see a fist fight for no reasonthis resonates with me for some reason, i can't put my finger on it though... that being said, the post was more about footfags than dennys, so... your ability to comprehend the english language is now suspect. not good.
>>102800833I have no opinions on foots. I have many opinions on dennys
>>102800830this rave shit is big yawn, the people want trek. make the trekkers rave, whatever, that's cool. possibly preferred even, starfleet going full burning man on Risa (we were both wrong) sounds like a recipe for kino gens
i can't do it, because changing the formula is an hours long process and usually doesn't work anyway so, instead, i produce common slop and inveigh anons to make interesting gens, in lieu of my own productive content. sad but true.
>>102800848risa being burning man for starfleet just fucked me up >>102800859>changing the formula is an hours long processyuh same
>>102800827i made a lora that mitigates her pretty well (and improves people of all ages and ethnicities pretty well)https://civitai.com/models/790722?modelVersionId=884240yes it's me Zootanon if anyone remembersI've branched out lol
>>102800865i thought you used the superior UI, aka, ComfyUI, the one that's the most besterestest, so good it can remember every single workflow you've ever made so, logically, you could reload a trek gen, throw in some nonsense about "meth fueled orgy" and call it a day. meanwhile, auto plebs like myself are saving prompts in insomnia because that stupid russian fuck hates his users like USG hates common americans.
Debo tragically passed away yesterday after being mauled senseless by a circus lion in a convenience store.
for the record, this anon repudiates any previous anti-government standpoint it may have, inadvertently, expressed. in this house we love the state department. it is truly the apotheosis of "good sensible governance" and is not, in any way shape or form a demonic entity hell bent on human suffering. preposterous!
>>102800947many such cases, SAD!
in this house we love the Foggy Bottom boys. we don't know what they're doing... but, whatever it is, it's probably in our best interest!
>>102800890no one uses auto anymore. stop trolling>>102800947rip in peace. we'll never truly know why the circus was at 7-elevent
oh, total war with russia over ukraine? uh.. well, if you think it's best... we're throwing iran in, too? ah geez, are you sure? yup they're sure. well shit.
>>102800990TIL I am no one
>>102798725cool!
comfy night
dear diary,accidently leaked my fucked up retard prompt today.i think i also admitted that i'm a retrograde moron who still uses the worst imggen UI ever devised, and what's worse i like it. i want to crawl into myself and die, this is the most embarrassing thing that could possibly happen to anyone on God's earth, ever.it's illegal to kill ones self, however, in my jurisdiction. so the nitrogen chamber is not for me. alas!
>>102801033a a11111111111 is fine tooui doesnt matter, only soul matters
>>102801063explain why you can't slap your old trek prompt in and make new gens? we're starting a betting pool, debo's profession is:+ bartender+ waiter+ porno fluffer+ weird neet who pretends he's employed for reasons beyond human comprensionmy money is on bartender. he steals moments to post pre-rendered shit itt, but is too stupid to set up generating new things on the fly via same interface. probably because of a historical abuse of cough syrup, or some similar psychoactive substance. i guess he could be all of those. maybe even a security guard, which is funny because imagine working at the place where debo is the thin line between life and death. preposterous!
incase anyone is too dense to understand the previous post, debo is, probably, an DXM zombie. hope that helps
>>102801063lol what lora
sorry folx! a lot of commas there. let me break it down:debo be retardedhe drank a lot of cough syrupthis break he breainnagwain!
>>102801093>why you can't slap your old trek prompt in and make new gens?cuz I'm going to sleep soon, mostly>>102801103>debo is, probably, an DXM zombienah that shits bad for you>>102801115no lora. just flux
>>102801118that is forbidden
>>102801126you still haven't figured out that the most insane invectives against you are, always, me.
i COULD go to bed right now, commiserate with lord debo, but i wont. instead, i will haunt you niggerfaggots until conciousness defeats me in single handed combat. until then, huzzah!
as far as debo is concerned, him going to bed is laughable. it's the fucking weakend, nigger. do what you like. out where you are it's barely midnight, are you really so pathetic that 12:00 AM is a death sentence? get fucking real, go drink some beer or wendigo sploodge, or whatever you moose fucking motherfuckers drink. i refuse to believe that you would just give up
>>102801093he never pretended he was employed, he just dodges the question
>>102801170Stop with this weird obsession about him weirdo
>>102801194illumini x deboit's a match made in heaven, and i'll never let it go. you, however, should probably get a life.
>>102801198You know literally nothing about meGo ahead and keep obsessing about the Californian NEET I guess.
>>102801218i don't even know who you are?you're not debo. you're something else. something weird, and pathetic.
>>102801226Yep you got me
>>102801226
theres more to life than debo
>>102801249>>102801237that's what we meant
>>102801259nigga bring back trek or get trapped in the crystals for 10k years
>>102801263one trek before I slepI'll revist this prompt and cook up fresh treks soon
>>102801278we are watching. and waiting. if you don't make meth fueled trek risa orgies, well, you don't deserve to call yourself debo anymore. what's more is i was absofuckinglutely right that you could just recall old gens without a second thought. as loathe as i am to admit, maybe catjak was right?
>>102801323our energy is getting low but, what if (and i'm just spit balling here) she was extremely fat?
>>102801366like something in a dream
>>102801366no, I don't think so
>>102801394well whateve;, you could be famous here. or just keep on keeping on, i guess.
>>102796430
>>102799715>16 color LOOM on an ATi baby..
>>102801118were they>>102801063supposed to be twins?
>>102801766It's funny how the background pumpkins are blurry, but the spaceball thing isn't.
>>102801980HES BACK
>>102801853Why is that funny
>>102802064I think all lenses only have one plane/wall or whatever of focus.
>>102802104I dont understand your point. The orb is an illumination source and there is low hanging mist in the picture. It makes perfect sense the way it looks
>>102802108the orb thing would be blurry if it was a photo. Obviously Flux was trained on shopped stuff.
>>102802121Its a fantasy image.
>>102802121You dont know what you are talking about
>>102802104>I think all lenses only have one plane/wall or whatever of focus.
>>102802156>>102802156>>102802156
>>102801853>It's funny how the background pumpkins are blurry, but the spaceball thing isn't.It seems Flux throws a horizontal tilt-shift effect on the image distorting normal depth focusing. The spaceball thing is Freemason Science, they call it a Sun..It's a transformer bringing energy from counterspace.The pumpkins are gourdous..
>>102801278Good dog
>>102798704Merging with the dall-3 one is insaneNow those people are really buttblasted, let alone the fine autists from ldg
>>102802748We should have 3 generals:1.- Local models2.- Online free models3.- Paid modelsBecause note Flux Pro doesn't currently have a thread and it's offtopic everywhere.
>>102802786I can see the merit in talking about paid models since I know shit about them, but to fill a thread with it, anon is not that richI wouldn't see it as off-topic, NAI has nice pictures and I roar with laughter at their blatant disregard of copywrite law and how it prints them gold
>ded general
