>>102899360
You don't need a cooler that strong
Did you already purchase the SSDs? Seems an odd choice to buy a 2tb & a separate 500gb one
PSU is very expensive, you can get a similar quality one for less
I think windforce is a budget model, so expect to get the budget model experience out of it

>>102899384
Seems obvious he wants to 500gb as main drive and 2tb for everything else.

how do you view the current state of pc hardware? worth buying or wait?

>>102899435
pc building is pretty cheap today compared to covid times

how reliable are AIOs these days?

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Are there any actual differences between the WD HDD colors or is it just a gimmick to give people the illusion of choice? I'm about to buy a few high cap drives and IDK what's good anymore. I haven't actually bought hard drives in a while.

>>102899521
Isn't Red their NAS drives?

>>102899473
Leaking is not an issue, pumps are probably good for 3-4 years.

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>>102899558
>mfw still using an almost 9 year old AIO with no issues

>>102899521
since HGST got absorbed it's a lottery anyway, get whatever feels comfortable

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Welp, this build is done and dusted.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dfz7DZ

It's in a Okinos Aqua 7 case, same price as what's in the list... PPP doesn't list them. I also added heatsinks for the 2 nvme m.2 drives, tweaked everything in bios and MSI Afterburner. Runs good. Cyberpunk 2077 runs 95fps on 1080p High.

Off to the new owner today.

>>102899473
if you are not encoding 50tb worth of videos every day there is absolutely no point.

If I don't plan for future upgrades what should I rather go with?

1:
Ryzen 5 7600X
32 GB DDR-5

2:
Ryzen 7 5700X3D
64 GB DDR4

>>102899624
lol... hilarious. You run a 13th or 14th gen i9 on air and see what happens. Make sure to bring a ShamWow to soak up the melted CPU after, because I assure you, you're hitting 100c and staying there under load.

>>102899578
You can reduce wear & tear to the AIO pump if you set it to run at constant speed.

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>>102899618
>all red bu GPU is blue
blasphemy!

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>>102899644
I am running 7700x on D15 and it stay at 85C tops. I am also using sub par TPM7950 as thermal paste for longevity.

/pcbg/
Can manufacturers fuck up thermal paste application? Or at least just do a shoddy job that would justify replacing it in a short amount of time after purchase?

>>102899660
Only way to hit budget with all the bells and whistles they wanted was to use the GTX 1080 I had laying around. Works great and if they want to upgrade later, they're good to go.

>>102899649
you ears will wear & tear in the process though, tinnitus is no joke fellows. constant high pitched sounds can cause it.

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>>102899706
Yes they can, it's been an issue with some RTX cards.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/cause-and-reasons-revealed-hotspot-problems-on-many-newer-graphics-cards-due-to-inferior-thermal-paste/

>>102899728
>ASUS
god fucking dammit.

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>>102899064
Thank you, updated version. I copied the mobo from the other guy
>>102899094
Just a monitor I already have at home. I'll upgrade it soon enough

>>102899719
You don't have to set the pump RPM to a constant 100%.
60~70% or even 50% is good enough for the better AIOs.

>>102899706
4080 suffer from retarded hot spot temps as much as Powercolor Red Devil 7900XTX did
https://www.igorslab.de/en/powercolor-rx-7900xtx-red-devil-mit-eingebautem-herstellungsfehler-wenn-der-hotspot-zum-standard-wird/

and they are not going to repalce it with PTM any time soon, only 4090 FE had it

>>102899757
Well if they won't, I sure will and fuck them, they will respect my choice.

>>102899728
It blows my mind with how cheap industry standard pastes are, they would sink this low to find something worse.

>>102899757
All the FEs have PTM iirc

>>102899768
I stripped a screw on the retention bracket, can't change it.

>>102899757
FYI, Powercolor ships all refurb cards with PTM7950 now. New cards are old stock and still using paste however.

>>102899855
I got earlier XT one, it's fine at 2400, delta is good 85-70, but goes to 105C on default settings.
also me >>102899804 and I'm fucked.

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I got an arm with Vesa-mounts like these. Unfortunately the attachment points on my screen line up with the inner holes, but the full mount doesn't fit inside the "cavity" where they are located.
Do you think I can just get some spacing bolts in there to attach the screen to?

>>102899892
could get $10 vesa 100x100 tv hanger and take plastic stubs from it. another option is cut to size, but if you never cut steel before - don't.

>>102899636
5700X3D if you're planning to build a new system afterward.

>>102899916
>could get $10 vesa 100x100 tv hanger and take plastic stubs from it
could you post a link to an example, I'm not quite sure if I'm finding the correct thing on google

>>102899521
Yeah there's some small but important differences. Reds and most Blues are SMR so not suitable for RAID while Red Pros are warranted for bigger arrays (vibration). Golds get the fancy features like helium. Seeing as you're buying high-cap I'd assume you're going to be running RAID so Red+/Pro would be good. Golds too if the price is right.

>>102899979
any cheap vesa wall mount will do, they all come with plastic spacers

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Someone in the last thread told me I should avoid WN SSD's because of their probable incompatible firmware with Windows 11 which would require an update. Which SSD's should I look for instead? Pic related is my build I'm thinking of right now. Any comments are deeply appreciated. I just want to play some fucking games. Budget is about €1500 - €2000 and I'm in EU.

>>102899947
I usually just start from scratch, x3d it is then.

>>102900000
Checked

>>102899649
Oh, that explains it, it's been running at 100% since day 1.

>>102899636
Depends on the kinds of games you play. If you look at an average they're pretty close but there's a big SD - some games see huge gains from vcache while others benefit more from the higher ST perf. on the Zen4. If it's just a general AAA gaming machine then I'd take the 7600(X). Keeps your options open and DDR5 is starting to matter somewhat.

>>102900018
It's just the HMB models and there is a patch out FWIW. I would recommend against the NV2 since it's got variable hardware and is almost always QLC.

>Which SSD's should I look for instead?
Going by German prices the KC3000 and NM790 look good at €130/2TB
There's also the usual SN850X/FireCuda 530/P5+/990PRO/[E18 drives] at about €150 if you want something high-end.

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WOLED has officially fallen again, QDOLED is kang
es ist aus

>>102900155
who is this neckbeard and why should i care

I just got a brand new 1070Ti (I know that sounds weird but I unsealed the box myself and the card is mint). Problem is the thermals are all over the place, in OCCT it tops out at about 75C, but in Furmark it climbs to 90+ within minutes. Could the thermal paste and/or pads be dried out even if the card was literally never used? I could open it up and repaste it but I don't want to use expensive pads on a 100$ GPU and if I'm wrong the shitty paste I'd use would probably be worse than stock.

>>102900138
How about the Samsung 970 EVO? Are those any good?

>>102900155
AMOLED is better than QDOLED but worse than WOLED

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>>102900165
plasma tv for gaming
a guy who has been shilling his C1 for ages and bfi
one of the horsemen of youtube oled shilling

>>102900204
does not exist in the monitor space or the tv space
only ever seen it one some samsung laptops or some shit?
and phones obviously
so does not exist, why do you mention?

>>102900188
They're fine in isolation. Problem is they're old PCIe 3 and often priced the same, or more, as faster drives. With that said the top line sequential speed hardly matters for a gaming system so it would be an okay purchase at the right price. If you're looking at €75/TB though, look elsewhere.

Why the hell does the RX 6600 have such a beefy cooler if it’s comparable in performance to the rtx 3050? I can find low profile and single fan 3050s, but very rx 6600 is a big dual fan card

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If I want 3 near silent case fans to put on the bottom of a Fractal Torrent, should I go with the LS version of the Noctua NF-A14x25 G2? I’m currently running the Fractal fans at 500RPM but they’re buzzing really bad. The LS version has max RPMs at 800 instead of 1500. Should I replace the front fans with those too for total silence?

>>102900243
AMD has superior heat output so it needs a bigger cooler.

>>102899802
Well actually I tried them out more and the keyboard seems very temperamental, only working some of the time. So I took it apart but couldn't find any obvious issues. It seems to be working okay now but maybe something is wrong with it because before it was cutting out all the time.

>>102900252
>Fractal
The inner 120mm mounting bracket will cause resonance with 140mm fans whatever you put in there.

>>102900257
What brand should I go for if I want a quiet card?

I have a 4070 Ti Super, how do I turn on Ray Tracing and Frame Gen? I don't see an option for it in the Nvidia App or Windows Settings.

>>102900293
RT at least should be game specific as far as I understand

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>>102900257
they both have the same tdp. nvidia cards are just usually built way cheaper than amd. for example hellhound 7900gre is 23dba while 4070 super asus is like 30+ dba.

>>102900280
xfx/powercolor

>>102900224
Thanks a lot. I'll think I'll stick to the other anon's advice and go with either KC3000 or NM790.

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>>102900333
>Those trips
Holy. Kek wills it.

>>102900306
That’s actually really interesting, definitely gonna go for AMD if the coolers are better at similar TDP, and what website is that?
>>102900315
I thought I always heard XFX being referred to as a budget brand

>>102900376
Techpowerup does reviews on coolers, watts, efficiency, etc not just "look at muh rt fps".

>>102900252
>Should I replace the front fans with those too for total silence?
You might as well resell the case because a big reason for buying the Torrent is for the bundled front fans.

>>102900376
if you actually cared about the quietness of your PC / GPU, you would use a frame limiter.
You can probably run cyberpunk at like 60fps mostly silent on a 4070 / 7900 gre (at 1080p medium settings), aka 50% GPU load (but you might be able to hit 80fps if you don't mind your gpu making a little bit of noise but not 100% fan speed).
And if you care a lot about noise, technically speaking the most quiet GPU's are actually the more budget GPU's (the larger GPU heatsink helps a lot with a frame limited setup since it increases your headroom, but if you just let the GPU run at 100% speed, the 4060 is quieter than a 4070 even though the 4060 has a smaller cooler because the 4060 can afford to use cheaper quieter fans that don't move much air, while the 4070 might have higher RPM and CFM fans, and at 100% load you are essentially running the fans at their maximum speed, the 4060 is pretty neat because it uses 100 watts which is half the 4070, and the 4070 only gets 50% higher fps than the 4060, which is funny because the 4070 is almost 2x the cost of a 4060).
Also dba is misleading. It's very possible that there are 2 fans with the same dba, but only one fan has an objectively less annoying noise. Nobody is making a video review comparing the audio from 2 GPU's side by side (which is the only way to know which GPU has a less annoying fan noise), and every gpu can have varying coil whine sounds.
I don't think AMD is more quieter than Nvidia, but I do think certain brands might be quieter than others due to differences in the cooler and fans, but it really doesn't matter if you just use a frame limiter, it's the only way to significantly reduce the noise of a fan while gaming.

Guy from last week that had the DoA motherboard. Did some more looking into it and a number of reviews for it were negative or mixed at least. Lots of build quality issues and something that stuck out for me was people echoing the opinion on it that if it wasn't DoA it would be in a few months.
I was thinking though, should I go through on RMA? It was the B650 Gaming X AX V2 from Gigabyte. Was thinking of rationalizing the bad purchase and getting something better for an AM5 board. Your thoughts on these? Was thinking I'd wait for Black Friday/Cyber Monday to pick up one or the other or something else you guys would recommend.

MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Tomahawk-Gaming-Motherboard-2-5Gbps/dp/B0BYB3PGQW/

Asus ROG STRIX B650-A GAMING WIFI
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-ROG-LGA1718-Motherboard-Type-C%C2%AE/dp/B0BHMW8R6S/

Are the MSI Gaming X Slim cards good? It looks like the cheapest non-crap 4070ti super on pcpp.

>>102900651
>but it really doesn't matter if you just use a frame limiter,
IMO, modern cards are quiet enough in general to not worry about GPU noise, I say this as the owner of the "loud" 4080 FE.

At some point you also have to ask yourself if your listening to your system or the game.

>>102899521
https://youtu.be/QDyqNry_mDo

>>102900768
They're fine, same tier as ASUS TUF & Gigabyte Gaming OC.
A slimmer heatsink won't be too big of a deal since the chip is power efficient.
You can probably get the card to draw under 250W and generate less heat/noise with an OC+undervolt.

>>102900827
I like playing FPS games with my speakers but if my GPU is loud it's hard to tell what direction a noise is coming from.
It does not help that my PC is on my desk and half a meter away from me, but that's how I like it.
I do have headphones but I just don't wear them during the summer.

What if we put 3D V-cache on a gpu

>>102900909
Next-gen consoles, including handhelds, might be interesting if AMD starts offering gaming APUs with 3D V-Cache.
The console manufacturers care a lot about power efficiency.

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I know it's always recommended to install Windows fresh when upgrading the CPU and motherboard, but are there any steps I can take to reduce the likelihood of issues if I was to upgrade without a fresh install?
I'm assuming that I should at least uninstall as many drivers as I can that are associated with components of my current motherboard.
Has anyone tried doing this before and had any issues come up?

>>102900979
Oh yeah also I'll be upgrading from an Intel platform to AMD which I've heard complicates things further

>>102900909
They'll probably be forced to at some point. The silicon is getting so expensive that the dies need to shrink significantly to maintain margins. Smaller dies means shorter buses so caching will become more important for performance. To some degree that's begun already with Ada. Alternatively, density might plateau so the manufacturers will need to look elsewhere for performance gains.

>>102900979
>>102901020
Backup, format, reinstall.
Don't try to clone os or bring dirty installs unless it's the exact same system

>>102901026
>Alternatively, density might plateau so the manufacturers will need to look elsewhere for performance gains
uh, yea, that's why silicon is getting more expensive. further shrinkage is getting harder and harder to achieve. has been since forever, but noticeably so since we went below 14nm.
ofc, part of the problem is also market related, namely that intel has dropped the ball since a few gens ago, and now only TSMC makes high class wafers, which also means the can price them at a premium and not lose customers.

>>102901069
I will do that if it doesn't end up working, but what are the specific issues that would arise from using a dirty install?

>>102901079
Yes that's true; it's the same problem from different angles.

>>102900909
That's literally what they're going to do. Their GPUs already had L3 cache on the die itself since 2020. Now stack them vertically like X3D CPUs. Won't do much for AI workloads but poorly optimized games which is the current state of the industry loves L3 cache it's almost a bad experience without it.

>>102901110
Windows OS freaks out and BSODs drivers due to incorrect registry entries or stuff just doesn't work properly like apps

>>102900979
It will just work.

>>102901150
So wouldn't uninstalling as much as I can through device manager increase the likelihood of it working somewhat?

>>102901165
You can't really do much when your stornvme.sys is bsoding. You need to reinstall at that point.

Is a 512GB SSD just for the OS and some programs too much?

>>102900768
>>102900892
meh, theyre more like gigabyte eagle tier

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>>102901294
if gaming then it's too low

>>102901294
i would get minimum 1TB, they're so affortable anyways

>>102899345
5090, I'm ready

>>102899345 (OP)
5090, I'm ready to get cucked

>9800X3D is gucci-binned to boost higher than 9700X
it's going to be another $750 msrp part with the 9950X3D launching at a thousand dollars, isn't it?

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The 5090 looks bigger or its just me

>>102901540
that's just compared to a seamonkey, they have non-human-conforming dimensions

>>102901376
>>102901390
I'm planning on getting a second 2TB SSD anyway.

>>102901569
get a 4tb

>>102900764
Anyone?

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Is there some software for Linux that changes the speed of fans connected to a certain port, based on the gpu temp? I’d like to deshroud my gpu but there’s no guarantee if the fan port(s) on the card is standard
Alternatively, is there some software that lets me manually change individual fan speeds on the fly?
Worst case I think I could get that noctua fan controller, but it’d be super awkward

>bought an Asus Evo 4070S but according to rebbin and this anon >>102897794 its cooler is dogshit
fuck

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>>102901589
why?

>>102901619
no idea but as a backup plan you could get one of those argb fan controllers where the fan speed and rgb is regulated by a remote

What's the DDR5 equivalent of 3200 CL16 memory kits for Ryzen?

>>102901625
nvidia 4070 series cards are built like dogshit cheap compared to amds equivalent 7800xt/7900gre. a hellhound is supposed to be budget offering but its premium in comparison to asus dual shit or msi ventus.

>>102901647
then get a 2TB. report back when you replace it

finna skip this generation of cpus, buy a 5090, and then try to sell my 4090

>>102901748
hope you sell that 4090 now. or be prepared to take a massive value hit if you sell after the 5090 launches

>>102897794
>hovering at 50% RPM when maxed out
is that good?

>>102901789
i'm not going to sell my video card now and not have one for 3 months you fucking retard

Is a Phantom Spirit 120 SE gonna be enough to cool a 9950X?

>>102901798
im looking at it from a proift/loss standpoint, you're looking at it from a gaymin standpoint
>no one's a retard, but you are a jackass

>>102901826
if i cared about loss i wouldn't have bought a 4090 in the first place nigga

>>102901688
6000cl30

>>102901654
That’s actually a better and cheaper idea than the noctua one, any controllers you’d recommend? They aren’t rgb fans so that’s not a concern

>>102901868
real...

>>102901789
the 5090 isn't a huge upgrade over 4090.
nvidia decided to not upgrade the chip technology to 3nm, they ended up using 4nm which is technically the same as 5nm in terms of the machine and silicon being used are the same.
so based on the shading cores and extra power usage, you should expect 50% more fps max, but the problem is that the 4090 has 3x more shader cores than the 4070 yet the 4090 is not 3x faster, it's more like 2x. So I think you should expect maybe 30% more fps.

>>102901943
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>>102901748

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>>102901366
Gigabyte has pretty mediocre engineers working on their video card cooler designs.
A base MSRP PNY 4070 Ti Super Verto runs quieter than the costlier Gaming OC's Quiet Bios mode.
Their more commonly recommended card of this generation (4090 Gaming OC) just has a massive heatsink.

Not to mention they straight up don't give a fuck about QC when they sent out multiple 4060 Windforce review samples that were running at 3000RPM under load.
https://youtu.be/kz0vVh4hcBo?t=1194

>>102901619
fancontrol is part of lm-sensors

>>102901943
consider the following: i am not a poor or autistic minmaxing /pcbg/ obsessed chart poster
i want the best
i have the funds
i will get the best

>>102902020
Based

>>102902020
unbased & cringepilled

>>102901370
>>102901540
I doubt the AIBs made the card much bigger.
The launch 4090 models had 600W TDP coolers, and some manufacturers started selling slimmer cards afterward.

>>102901868
fair, also buying a 5090, but I just like to make money

>>102902067
my nvidia stock already paid for the card

>>102902075
you have to sell nvidia stock to pay for it?

>>102901870
none in particular, personally i use some cheap shit from aliexpress that i got for $7 and works fine
even better if your fans aren't rgb since there's less cable salad and you can just use the pwm connectors, it's just that all these fan controllers have argb nowadays

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>>102901802
You can cool any AMD chip with a basic 120mm tower. They just modulate boost clock based on the available cooling. A dual tower should be enough to wring out ~99% of its stock potential so it's up to you if you want to spend another $50 on an AIO to get that last 1%. No judgement either way - it's an expensive CPU so performance matters on the margins.

4070 ti super for 800 euros or a 7900xt for 650? I don’t really care about rt but dlss seems so good conpared to fsr and the power consuption is way lower. I dont know what to do. Is the 4070 ti super worth it for 800 euros?

>>102902112
>4070 ti super worth it for 800 euros?
yes

>>102902112
If you need a card soon, yes.
NVIDIA seems to be releasing RTX 50 series mid-gen cards earlier than usual, expect Q1 '25 launch. Q2 the latest.
This is probably because of the data center chip's packaging bottleneck and NVIDIA's trying to boost as much revenue in other businesses.

I fucking hate am5 so much
What retard at AMD thought it’d be a good idea to make the most retarded IHS that is nearly impossible to grip and makes cleaning thermal paste a massive pain in the ass

>>102902171
shoulda bought the AM5 condom

>>102899345
so i have a ITX h470 motherboard (intel 1200 socket) with a m2 ssd and a good sfx psu
i want to build a good htpc pc to play games on my 65 inch tv. What graphic card/cpu/case should i get?
it feels like a waste to ditch a perfectly good itx motherboard just for gayming just because its 4 years old

>>102902171
it looks kewl tho

zen 6 when

>>102902227
zen6% in 2 years
zen5% now

>>102902171
>using thermal paste instead of ptm
lmao
have fun cleaning thermal semen periodically

>>102902196
the psu is 600w btw

>>102901079
So what’s the alternative for them to gain performance and efficiency or whatever instead of simply shrinking the die? Asking cause I’m new 2 this stuff

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>CUDIMM is designed to replace DIMM
sucks for those who already bought am5 mobo now you're stuck with outdated ram

>>102902613
what the fuck is an "AI PC"

>>102902627
It has an npu probably to speed up ai shit

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>>102902396
They package a larger SoC/processor, like what NVIDIA's doing with Blackwell data center chips or Apple's M2 Ultra SoC
https://videocardz.com/press-release/apple-introduces-m2-ultra-soc-with-24-cpu-and-76-gpu-cores-192gb-of-memory

>>102902627
CPU with AI cores. Like how newer AMD/Nvidia GPUs have AI cores.

>>102902613
They will do anything but use registered DIMMs

>>102902613
CUDIMMs are compatible with existing boards.

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can I have some help finalising my 2024 build? I'm going for 1440p gaming for under AU$2000. the monitor I already have is a benq pd2705q.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R3wLVW
are there any glaring issues with this? I already own the monitor and a couple tbs of sata ssd storage. for what it's worth I'm upgrading from a 1070, i5 7600, 16gb ddr4 so it's a once a decade kind of upgrade for me.

Computers aren’t very fun anymore. I guess cause everything’s so good now.

>>102902698
4070 for 900? Ouch

>>102902698
does an i5 really need a 240mm aio nowadays?
legit question the last intel processor i used was a 3770

https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-RTXTM-Verto-Graphics/dp/B0CNF7KFMD/
Can someone explain why the pice connector isn’t full-sized? It seems to be 4x, I’ve never seen a gpu like this, wouldn’t this also cripple the card’s performance?

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I have a 7950x (water cooled) and 4080 super with an asrock x670 silver legend mobo, wd m.2 drive and a 1000 watt corsair Psu.

I've been getting some Kernel-Power event ID:41 random reboots in Windows 11. How should I go about troubleshooting this?

As a first step I disabled fast boot in the bios because I remembered that it's bad.

>>102902793
Disable EXPO and check to see if your SSD is one if the bugged WD ones

>>102902786
>I’ve never seen a gpu like this
Zoomer? Because a lot of GPUs used 6pin back then when power requirements were lower.

>>102902881
And of course I out myself as a blind boomer that can't read, that looks like a x8 connector which should be enough for a 3050 on PCIe4.

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Bros, I have a 4090 and a 14600 QS right now. Is my CPU bottlenecking my GPU or nah? Kinda want to switch CPUs (preferrably AMD if I do so) but I'm afraid I won't see that much of an increase (especially in games like SPT tarkov and sim-heavy games.) Is something like the 7800X3D worth it if I'm doing fine now?

I play AAA slop, some Arma 3 and Tarkov mostly btw. But most of the time I generate AI coom instead. Also I have a 4K monitor

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>>102902729
we've got a high minimum wage down here

>cpu tjmax 60c
Yup, time to game

>>102902786
a 4090 on pcie 4.0 x8 has very little loss in performance
the only time it might matter is if you were trying to run it on a 2.0 slot or something

>>102902979
>gpu hotspot: 105c
optimal gaming temp according to amd

>>102902698
>1900$ build
>intel cpu
go amd (7600x or 7700x if you do productivity shit)
2x16 6000mhz CL30
change to a cheaper gen4 ssd
change to Tier A PSU from https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

>>102902979
>gpu 60c
>vram 80c
>hotspot 90c
Yup, time to game

>>102902698
You don't need an AIO for that processor.
The memory stick has poor speed & timings, you'd want at least 6000MT/s CL30 or 6400MT/s CL32 kits, especially for 12th gen Intel CPUs that scale well with better memory (less cache available).
I wouldn't get a Gigabyte PSU for your once-in-a-decade system. There's an affordable FSP model, they make reliable PSUs.
Don't get the cheapest 4070 Super card model if you plan to keep it for a long time, I'd get one with triple fans to run it cooler.

>DDR5 PC
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/2BFRpB

>AM5 PC
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/QcBX9c
Board is probably overkill for your use case, but it seems to be a good deal in your region.

>5700X3D PC
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Trp7DZ

>>102902954
5800x3d is faster than the 14900k in cyberpunk so yes you're bottlenecking

>>102903035
>No, I dont use SMT, how did you know ?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y9VTbL

>>102903073
If he is playing at 4k then it doesn't matter

>>102902954
>>102903090
So should I get a new CPU? Or just wait for a few before upgrading since I think I'll have to at least buy a CPU+RAM+mobo if it comes to that

Or maybe a used 12700? Would that even matter

Recommendations for a mid size tower with solid side panel close to $100? The Phanteks in the OP looked cool but I want no glass. I prioritize airflow.

>>102902954
>>102903147
If you're 4K gaming, none of this shit matters. Save your money.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x/20.html

>>102903090
It does matter at 4k because the minimum lows especially if you use framegen, Intel sucks at framegen becusee their CPU architecture is inherently bad at latency compared to X3D
>>102903173

>time to replace the thermal paste on my gpu!
>open gpu
>pain in the ass because everything is arranged so you have to take many screws out, not 4
>also difficult to unplug fan cable but sort of got it
>applied ptm, perfect shit, couldn't look better
>reassemble gpu the same way I did with 20 others
>shove GPU right in, try it
>windows crashes as soon as it tries to show the correct desktop icons instead of blank ones
>well fuck, let's reseat it
>windows now crashes a bit later on, when opening a benchmark
>fuck fuck fuck
>disassemble again, what a pain
> 30% of the thermal whatever didn't make proper contact with the heatsink, maybe that is it
>apply other TIM to ensure I don't waste money while testing shit out
>try to get it evenly spread and everything screwed tight and right
>put gpu back in
>Temps equally normal on idle
>again windows crashes as soon as I run a benchmark (funnily the mouse still works for a bit but then it stops)
>fuuuck fuckity fuck
>disassemble, surely, surely it's the same shit happening
>thermal paste looks totally fine as it should
I'm uh...
Help?

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>>102903061
thanks for the tips

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>>102903184
>muh 4K minimums matter
If he sucks at Arma 3 and Tarkov, a better minimum won't be impactful.
>especially if you use framegen
Irrelevant considering the games he plays.

How to banish intrusive tinkertranny thoughts urging me to buy a flagship motherboard and a 8000Mhz RAM kit for a Ryzen CPU?

>>102903173
>>102903090
>>102903073

Alright, ty anons.

Anything else I should blow my money on? Or am I good for the next few years or so

>>102903218
You feel basically no dips on X3D. Shader compiling is done on the CPU and telling someone to get a worse CPU is just asking for stutter.

>>102903219
Compare real-world performance gains.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ddr5-memory-performance-scaling-with-amd-zen-5/
It will take manual tuning & days of stability testing to maybe get you a 5% improvement.

>>102903238
If you can't bench it or show a bench, it doesn't matter.

>>102903212
borked... GPUs are the only thing that you shouldn't take apart unless you actually know what you're doing
>not, "I watched a youtube video" know either

>>102903238
>You feel basically no dips on X3D
Can you read charts? The stock 14900K's 1% minimum is within 0.5 FPS
>Shader compiling is done on the CPU
Good games don't constantly compile shaders in-game. It's a software issue.
>But le traversal stutter
Happens on 7800X3Ds too, software issue.
Shut the fuck up.

>>102903212
better make it look like stock and try to RMA it

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>>102903238
AMD doesn't have Intel APO

>>102903212
I'm leaning more towards "windows shat itself again" than you somehow breaking the GPU so test it on a brand new install if you can.
>>102903274
My favorite is breakage by over-torque.

>>102903274
Bro I've been repasting GPUs since the 7900GT. I didn't knock shit out. Surely there's something else I'm missing.

>>102903329
Install Linux and test it out there.

>>102903218
>9700X 5% worse than 7700X
Honestly, how did AMD achieve this feat?

>>102903347
IIRC, the 9700X is basically mislabeled. It should've been sold as a regular 9700 @ 65W.
7700X draws more power @ 105(?)W.

>>102903377
The 7700 performs the same as the 7700X in that benchmark.

>>102903156
>I want no glass. I prioritize airflow
>with solid side panel
What?
Get a case with mesh panels, something like Lian Li A3 or Asus Prime AP201.

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>>102903274
I did my 1080 ti on a whim, no video
Temps are back exactly where they where when I first bought it, I probably used the same damn paste as the factory (Micro SI)
Makes me more confident waterblocking my 4090

>'My super special KEX3D basically never dips'
>'AMD sent me a platinum sample because I'm super special'
No faggot, you just can't notice them and lack the proper tools to objectively measure them.
https://youtu.be/AlBC5FWAAp4?t=260

>>102903212
you didnt even mention what gpu

>>102903156
Fractal is basically your only option for good modern cases with no glass. At $100 you're looking at the Pop Air or old Meshify C. For a bit more (it varies) there's the North and Meshify 2 (C).

so i bought all the parts for my new build: mobo, CPU, heatsink/fan, RAM, GPU, PSU, etc. what is the proper assemble order? i was planning on building out the mobo, CPU, heatsink/fan, and RAM first before putting them into the case - is that fine?

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>>102903442
unreal engine is not a cpu problem, its a engine problem. the render thread stalls to compile shaders at drawtime. this is the sin of pc gaming.

>>102903460
dunno if "proper" but my method is:
cpu, cooler, ram and ssd on mobo
psu, mobo and fans in case
cable management then gpu

Which of these processors should I keep? i5 11400f or Ryzen 5 5600GT? The motherboard for both is equivalent (AMD B550M, Intel B560M). The video card is a 4060ti. The SSD is PCIe Gen3 x4.

>>102903489
>compile shaders at drawtime
For what purpose?
Who does this?

>>102903489
Good job restating my point, X3D chips aren't immune to performance dips caused by game engines/software.

>>102903460
Yes that's standard. You can put your NVMe drive(s) in before mounting the board as well. Some people also plug in the card and PSU to get a test boot which I'd recommend also.

>>102903509
The fix is use DXVK and suddenly X3D CPUs don't stutter while shit CPUs still do. The render thread no longer stalls and you're only limited by your CPU. Garbage games have way more shaders done at drawtime so its a 30% cpu utilization fps dip on X3D while its a 100% ecore utilization hard freeze on intel.

>>102903507
even if a Unreal Engine game has a shader compilation screen it doesn't cache all PSOs upfront. you still get stutter because it needs to compile what it didnt hit at drawtime. you dont want cache misses for that.

>>102903498
11400F for PCIe 4. It's pretty marginal on the 4060Ti but the CPUs are otherwise so close you need a tiebreaker.

AMD still doesn't have a Intel APO equivalent

>>102903560
>The fix is use DXVK and suddenly X3D CPUs don't stutter while shit CPUs still do. The render thread no longer stalls and you're only limited by your CPU.
Now count how many games enable this setting. X3D still cucked by software. Stfu.

>>102903595
>how many games enable this setting
Literally none.
DXVK-windows is an unofficial build of an unofficial freetard emulator that translates directx calls into vulkan.
It's a modern equivalent of wine-for-windows that is used for running old games on modern os.
And somehow it makes games run better than native.

>>102903219
ryzen can't take advantage of even half of the total available bandwidth from an 8000 kit

>>102903217
Review of the PSU below in case you're curious.
https://hwbusters.com/psus/fsp-vita-gm-750w-atx-v3-1-psu-review/

>>102903716

SAAR full sapport for Intel

Silence pajeet

I have RTX 3090 and Ryzen 5500 with 32GB RAM.

I was thinking of upgrading my motherboard as I wanted to be able to run Flux models locally. Currently have no issues with SDXL and SD1.5 but FLUX seems to be a bit slower when it comes to generation.

What mobo and CPU would you recommend? Budget is not an issue, I just want to be able to comfortably run FLUX.

>>102903832
it's simple math, retard

let's say you get a chip that can do 2200 FCLK (very rare, but possible)
each CCD link transfers 32B/cycle for reading and 16B/cycle for writing
this means you have 2200*32 + 2200*16 = 105 GB/s total bandwidth available to a CCD

now let's say your memory timings are shit and you only get 85% efficiency out of your 8000 kit
that's 8000 * 16 * 2 = 256 GB/s total bandwidth

your ryzen system can't even do half of that (and keep in mind that the infinity fabric handles communication with all components, but let's pretend there's no PCIe and NVMe traffic)

>>102903888
meant 256*0.85 = 217 GB/s for the memory bandwidth (you can get it higher if you run tighter timings)

the principle still applies

>>102903836
At least a 5900X or 7900X, the more cores the better.

Just got a pc and its loud as hell. Sheesh this bs is why i left to mac

>>102903888
>* 16
DDR5 is 64-bit wide retardo-kun

damn amd sucks

>>102903454
4070 super

Anyways.
>>102903345
>>102903319
I repasted a third time and temps are not... amazing, but it's not crashing anymore. Went through a full superposition benchmark run without issues. I'm guessing that I didn't just randomly break anything or it wouldn't get past that. Going through another run right now to make really damn sure.

>>102904012
it's 4000 * 32 (the memory clock is half of the advertised speed)
you have two 64 bit channels on mainstream platforms which means 128 bits per cycle
you do two transfers per cycle which means you effectively have a 256 bit interface
that's (256/8) = 32 bytes per cycle in both directions (reading and writing)

>>102904034
>4070 super
Why were you repasting the card so soon? You were getting 100°C hotspots?
Which model? Sounds like Gigabyte Eagle.

>>102904034
Get ptm7950, did wonders for my 79xtx.

>>102904034
God fucking dammit, it's still crashing and BSoDing now. DPC watchdog violation.

>>102904084
It's an ASUS card. It was a bit of a mistake.

>>102904152
You got a faulty card or you put too much torque when you screwed the cooler back in.
GL getting RMA/refund. Worst case send it to NorthwestRepair.

is buying ptm7950 for a new build worth it if i already have good paste lying around?

>>102900276
I was not aware of that, but it sounds interesting. Does the resonance make an oscillating noise?

>>102900572
Besides some oscillating wurring from the front 180mm fans, probably will just keep those then. The bottom three fans are the real buzzers. Should I go with the LS version of the Noctua fans for those 3 then?

I have a Dell S2415H as my current monitor and after years of sitting on it I'm gonna upgrade. I'm down to the G2724D and the Q27G3XMN. I assume both are improvements but which one would I probably be most comfortable with coming from an old-ass IPS?

my local best buy only has asus video cards should I avoid?

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>>102899345
>1000+ area local dimming miniLED quantum dot
>2k 180hz 1ms rr
>HDR1000
>$300
wtf? chat how is this possible? it will break in a year or something?

>>102904253
I never used thermal paste again after discovering PTM, fuck cleaning paste.

>>102904485
China will grow larger.

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Is there any beige ATX cases out there?

>>102904253
yes but not for cpu use it for gpu/ssd.

>>102904785
Works fine on CPUs though.

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Can anyone help me with plex?
I have LG TV and want to watch movies and control them with remote.
Plex doesn't eat mkv files, I don't understand how to set up server with this.

Now I'm using really long HDMI cable to connect TV as monitor which is not that good of a solution.

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Is a 7800x3d+rx 6600 a stupid idea if I exclusively play strategy games that aren’t really graphics intensive, but very cpu intensive?

>>102904704
>>102904785
Just decided to buy some from bezos land. figured it cant hurt if its only 8 bucks

>>102904853
my plex works with mkv iirc. how is your pc/server set up

>>102904893
Not necessarily. One of the main benefits of DIY is that you can tailor the PC to your needs. With that said you should check that your strategy games actually benefit from 3D cache - the 7800X3D is damned expensive right now and might not get you anything over a 7600/7700.

>>102904792
it does but its a waste.
it has better application on nvme because paste can get on the pins and fuck you over

>>102904961
It works great on my 7800x3d though.

>>102905212
so does toothpaste

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I want to remind you faggots that you can play a lot of great games without having top of the line hardware.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/spHX9c

webm related runs at 4K 135 FPS on a 4070. You can get great performance and image quality on the vast majority of PC games with a 2060 and an i3 10100.

>>102904853
A different general would probably better

>>102904454
No, ASUS makes some decent cards. Always depends more on model than manufacturer.

>>102904451
I would much rather have the AOC

>>102903498
11400F because of PCIe version, especially with the 4060 Ti, as it's an x8 lane card designed for PCIe 4.0

>>102904961
Works fine on all my builds + the added bonus of not needing to replace it ever again or cleaning trash if I ever need to change processor.

>>102904715
Not an xiaomi panel, it is almost guaranteed that panel is made by LG or Samsung (but I bet the panels are made in LG or Samsung factories in china).
The only part they produce that matters is the backlight.
Also after viewing more reviews, mini-led's suffer from flickering due to the FALD type array.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icYY_z3VQEk
It seems like you get what you pay for, you absolutely want mini-led over basic IPS if you love content with a lot of pitch black content in a dark room, but mini-led might actually compromise the quality of the image in a well lit room due to the flickering.
$700 OLED's seem to be way better such as AORUS FO27Q3.
>backlight bleed
ok enjoy your flicker.

>>102905263
>>backlight bleed
I mean OLED burn in >_<

>>102905238
unironically I have used anti-sieze compound for this and it was fine (but it's copper based so conductive so you have to be tidy, forewarned is forearmed)

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>>102903512
>>102903512
ok i got the CPU, cooler, RAM installed on the mobo. i did not buy any new SSD's or NVMe drives because i dont need more storage space

i am however switching from an AMD GPU to an Nvidia GPU. my buddy says i should uninstall all the existing AMD drivers bc they can cause issues. he also suggested a fresh windows install. should i just complete those steps now before installing the new mobo/cpu/ram?

>>102905242
> A different general would probably better
Which one?

>>102905362
>>>/g/mkv
>>>/g/hsg
>>>/g/sqt
Maybe there's a better one than any of those; I don't know all the generals on /g/

>>102905343
fresh windows install is too much for a simple gpu swap but yes to be safe you need to remove the old drivers
use DDU for this

>>102905379
>mkv
Meant >>>/g/mpv

>>102905343
Check whether the system boots before setting the motherboard in the case.
OS or video card driver clean installation can be done after you've assembled the PC.

>>102905343
Fresh windows is overkill just use DDU to uninstall drivers and you'll be fine

>>102905343
If you're going to reinstall windows, do it on the new system.

>>102904927
> my plex works with mkv iirc. how is your pc/server set up
I just downloaded plex server, set folder and that's it. TV sees that, but movies don't show up in feed.

>>102905384
>fresh windows install is too much for a simple gpu swap
well i'm upgrading almost everything else too, not just the GPU. new mobo, CPU, RAM, cooling, PSU, GPU, and even new monitor

>>102905434
then yes do a clean install on the new machine like >>102905420 said

>>102905263
Both Samsung and LG's display businesses sold their LCD patents and factories to Chinese companies like TCL CSoT.
It's all Chinese or Taiwanese LCD now.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1722843130
https://www.tcl.com/sg/en/news/tcls-csot-buys-over-samsung-displays-lcd-panel-patents

>>102900768
>Bought a gaming x slim 4080s
>Shit is fucking 3+ slots and 320mm
Uhh what counts as non slim lmao, only thing I hate about msi is their cancerous app/control center, just set rgb and completely removed the app

>>102905591
They're saying it's slim relative to the original 4090/4080 Gaming X (Trio) cooler. That one's thick.

>>102905460
>Sell your factory to china
>get a billion dollars
>buy the panels back to make mini-LED displays, and the panels are cheaper because china is going to use robots to remove all labor and make the LCD dirt cheap to produce.
>nobody gets mad at samsung or LG for replacing all the workers with robots
>samsung and LG continue making OLED's which make more money because they are more expensive, and they also die quicker than LCD.
>The chinese factory gets fucked if OLED's reach $400.

>>102905897
There's nothing stopping China from doing OLED too though. In fact not only is it a certainty, it's already happening:
https://www.channelnews.com.au/chinas-oled-screen-market-hurting-rivals/
https://advanced-television.com/2024/09/12/forecast-china-to-overtake-korea-in-oled-output/

BOE in particular is on a warpath:
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202410/16/WS670f731da310f1265a1c7eda.html
https://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=225221
>According to industry sources on Sept. 13, BOE unveiled a new OLED panel prototype at the Innovation Partner Conference (IPC) held in Beijing, China earlier this month. The product achieved 95 percent of the standard color gamut BT 2020, which refers to the range of colors displayed by the panel. This is higher than LG Display's white (W)-OLED panel (70 percent) and Samsung Display's quantum dot (QD)-OLED panel (90 percent). The higher the number, the richer colors that can be displayed.

>Although the product unveiled this time are not in mass production, analyses show that BOE's OLED panel technology is becoming advanced enough to threaten Korean companies. BOE plans to supply these panels to IT devices such as smartphones, tablets, laptops, and TVs.

>This month, BOE completed the exterior steelwork for its 8.6th-generation (2290x2620mm), 63-billion-yuan IT OLED fab building in Chengdu, China. The company broke ground for the building in April. BOE expects to complete the fab by May 2026 and begin mass-production in October 2026, with large-scale production starting in 2029. The fab will have a capacity of 32,000 panels per month based on the input of glass plates for panels.

The only way LG & Samsung stay in the game is to quickly roll out Tandem and/or RGB OLED and get off the ride with some form of QNED/QDEL/MicroLED.

>>102905384
>>102905404
>>102905408
>>102905420
will do these, thanks lads. not doing any more tonight, will resume later

Raptorlakefag here. I am no longer able to install NVIDIA drivers, even after the BIOS update. I am done with video games. I'm buying a macbook pro on Black Friday and switching from vidya to day trading crypto. Fuck this world. I've been playing video games since Wolfenstein 3D got released and I'm just DONE with the utter state of intel even though I used their shit since the dotcom crash. It's not worth it anymore, and to top all that, all games are woke shit now. Why even bother?

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>>102906740
>Filtered by display drivers

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>>102906772
more like filtered by intel's ineptitude and diversity hires fucking up their own products. I can't wait for the bankers to just buy them out and enshitify them even further. It's done.

>>102906740
or you could buy a B650 and 7800X3D for like $500
but enjoy the macbook

>>102899719
learned this the hard way
i have tinnitus in my left ear which is where my pc case is

>>102906796
Did you go through the RMA? Some people ended up getting golden sample replacements.

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>>102906805
>>102906811
look, I'm gonna retire in a decade. I have a shitton of paperwork due to life circumstances I am in rn, and the last thing I need is re-assemblying this pos, cleaning the heatsink and replacing the cpu. My old build was a 7th gen intel cpu with a 1080 ti gpu and it lasted me 6 years. My current build is 13th gen with 4090 from November last year and it's already unusable. I get random reboots with bugcheck errors in the event logs. No BSOD yet but it already feels like a huge betrayal. I am not even bothered to go into BIOS and do the one core workaround to fix the NVIDIA installation issue. It works OK in between the random reboots. I got all my crap saved on the cloud anyway. But hey, AMD's future looks bright if you ask me. Godspeed to them and the nvidia too. fuck intel though.

>>102906902
sounds like youre just stupid

>>102906805
7800X3D isn't $350 anymore, my guess is AMD is going to be rebranding the Zen4X3D dies they've got as 7700X3D and selling them for $400

>thermal paste and video card from amazon: 2 days
>motherboard from best buy: 6 days
>ram from newegg: 6 days
>cpu from canada computers: 14 days
fuck you canada computers. i saved $230 but the wait is killing me

>>102906740
>Only buying Intel
There's your problem

>>102906907
ok manoj
>>102907038
I know
>>102907022
a friend of mine buys all his crap from aliexpress and it takes him weeks. I'm still waiting for his house to catch fire though.

>>102907022
Two weeks isn't that bad, the average from Aliexpress where I buy almost everything.

>>102907057
dude wtf is a manoj

Anyone got a Sapphire 7800xt pulse? It has two fans, but is 60 Eurodollars cheaper than the nitro+ version with two fans, slightly lower max clocks. Good idea to buy the pulse for 460 Euro? A gigabyte 7700xt goes for 406 Euro, but is definitely worse if I understand the benchmarks (and 12GB vs 16GB) correctly.

It feels like such a waste using a 140mm fan on a mount that accommodates 120mm, at least on open parts of the case with no mesh, since you have the metal mount for 120mm blocking that extra fan size you get from 140mm
The worst offender is when you have a fan mount compatible with both 120mm and 200mm, you’ll have this massive expensive fan that’s just half covered by metal because the case company wanted to try and appeal to everyone

Rookie question here after 3 decades of buying prebuilts
Admittedly I didn't do enough research on mobos and went with a random mid-range B650 GIGABYTE Eagle AX. Combo'd with a 5 7600x, 4080 Super. Works fantastically and will probably last me 5 years or so (but honestly my first time building was really fun and may have the urge to do a completely new one earlier). That said, I'm curious on my upgrade options especially on the CPU end of things. When I look at other mobos apparently they have more than one 8-pin CPU slot? How necessary is that for my potential upgrades? I'm more gaming-focused and have a production laptop to do those types of work but I'm worried about whether or not I'm able to upgrade to say, a 7800x3D or 9800x3D. Will one 8-pin provide enough power?

>>102907277
I wouldn't worry about it, the 8pin connector delivers enough power for any CPU that will ever be on AM5.
the fact some motherboards have two is purely for a pissing contest.
and yes you would be able to upgrade to a 9800X3D after updating the bios.

>>102907277
8-pin is way more than enough, the 7800x3d only uses like 90w at max anyway, those extra pins on the other motherboard are for extreme overclocking, theres no am5 cpu that cant run off of a single 8-pin, even if you do overclock, and i doubt there will be one thatll require 2 8-pins

Upgrading from 3600 to 5700x3d, do I need to update the bios or can I just pop new one in? Is it easy to brick a mobo/cpu?

>>102907454
depends on the board but the 5700x3d is quite "new-ish" regarding am4 releases so i'd update the bios before changing the processor

>>102907454
yes you do need to update the bios, just dont update the bios during a thunderstorm or when your power is likely to go out and youre fine

>>102907454
depends on the mobo. just update it. 0.01% chance of bricking it

>>102904429
>Should I go with the LS version of the Noctua fans for those 3 then?
I prefer to get the full-speed version, use a fan hub, and adjust the fan curves through the motherboard BIOS.
A low-speed variant is fine if you're sure you'll never need the full RPM range.

what are some examples of what va black smearing looks like? i want to see how bad it is before i commit

>>102907551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJoi7MDBWus
dont get va, its horrible

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I love optical media
we shouldve never traded discs for streaming

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how much performance am i losing on a lower end card like the RX 6600 if i install it on a pcie slot that only support x4, despite physically being x16?

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>>102907551
Not all VAs are the same

>>102907615
its still going to be quite bottlenecked due to the fact its only using 4 lanes

>>102907638
any idea by how much?

>>102907736
20%

>>102907477
Thank you DUBya! I'll go with the full speeds ASAP

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>bought a bunch of parts piecemeal thinking RTX 50 would be out by now and 7800X3D wouldn't be scalped
I fucked up

>>102908011
if you buy that 7800xd at this point, you are and idiot, just wait for 9800xd or buy used

>>102908023
Obviously I'm waiting now
But if Zen 5 hadn't fucked up, I probably would have bought a discounted 7800X3D already

>40-50c when browsing the internet
truly, this is the power of zen 4

>>102908031
fair, just making sure some anons will spend that $750 on a ~$350 cpu

radeon is ass

>the 5090 isn't a huge upgrade over 4090.
bet

>waiting on x3d chips to drop
>look at mobo prices
Jesus Christ man, by the time I make another upgrade in 10 years these things will be entry level at $1000. But reading the cope "reasons" why they are this high is entertaining.

>>102908011
hol up. is you saying i can sell this 7800x3d for almost double what i payed (sic) for it a couple months ago?

On a 3700X X470 96GB system, would I be better off keeping the memory and going to a 12900K or selling the parts and grabbing DDR5 instead and going for AM5? Main usecase is Blender/file browsing/internet browsing/Minecraft/editing nasa textures.

>>102908037
>>102908075
It's leafbucks so it'd be closer to 600 canadian at MSRP

>>102908070
The motherboard feature starvation and price gouging started with X570 didnt it?

>>102908092
AMD mobos seem to suck compared to intel offerings at most price points these days

>>102908092
No one should be buying X-chipsets (AMD) or Z-chipsets (Intel)
Wait for both to release their B-chipset boards

>>102908124
nah z chipsets are usually pretty good anon

>>102908092
>>102908124
>tfw bought an x570
Why did I do it bros...

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https://youtu.be/h9Z4oGN89MU?si=Pie6fhUu2m5zqrU1
Insane

>>102908077
the 5900XT is pretty cheap ($326) and comparable to the 12700K for most things but in blender its equal to the 12900K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11FWyDiT8bE

>>102908124
Intel z chipset = amd b chipset with how feature gimp intel b chipsets are

>>102908214
but intel z chipset is better than and x chipset anon. saying otherwise is brand worship

>>102908266
>>102908266
>>102908266

>>102904740
Not really, in recent decades. Get a white case and have a smoker use it for a couple months.

Is x670 still worth using? I don't really need anything too fancy