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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC (RIP)

>CPU
Budget: 12600KF, 7600X
Overpriced Gaming: 7800X3D
Workstation: 7900X, 9950X
AVOID: Intel 13/14 series

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III, Hyte THICC Q60
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, cheap X670

>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB

>SSD
https://ssd.borecraft.com/SSD_Buying_Guide_List.pdf
Budget: SN580
Mid range: SN770
Premium: Samsung 990 Pro
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5

>GPU
1080p: RTX 3060 12 GB / RTX 4060, RX 6600; ultra budget: used RTX 2060 Super
1440p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT
2160p: RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super
Amateur production: RTX 3060 12GB, RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, used RTX 3090, RTX 4090

>CASE (from $ to $$$)
mATX: Montech Air 100, Lian Li A3, Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li O11 Air Mini
ATX: Phanteks XT PRO(ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Antec C5, Lian Li Lancool 216/III
AVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, 4000D airflow, Fishtanks

>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
Mid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max load
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
AVOID: GAMEMAX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q3 2024)
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

>MONITOR
1080p: KOORUI 24E3, MSI G2412F, MSI MAG 256F, MSI G244PF E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D
4K: Acer Nitro XV275K, Gigabyte M32U, Dell Alienware AW3225QF

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
High end: Arctic P12/P14(Max) (5-pack)

>>102908266
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>>102914701
so intel won?
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1440p sucks
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>>102914445
What the fuck happened?
Wasn't it supposed to not be a housefire?
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>>102914716
probably for everything except

>muh games
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>>102914718
Only the scaling sucks its the best resolution for 27" right now
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>>102914724
The Lion Cove P-Cores suck, it's being padded by the E-Cores.
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>>102914724
you're being baited
the stock power profile is 125w however you can remove the limits or set them to 4096w in the bios. The cpu in this mode will pull as much power as it can before thermally throttling. the fact that it reaches 370w before throttling is actually impressive.
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arrowlake is generating a lot of seething lately
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>>102914738
does an x3d chip even provide more fps at 4k with the best video cards?
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>>102914742
>padded
You mean Intel is using goysumers as beta testers for Skymont ahead of the Clearwater Forest launch.
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>>102914777
perhaps? i think the new craze is focusing on 1% lows, which the x3d chips do a better job of maximizing


>I already pre-ordered my 285k
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98000X3D incoming, Intcels on suicide watch.
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this isn't looking good for amd

>>102914817
clearwater forest uses darkmont
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>>102914821
im genuinely considering going x3d but i play at 4k so i'm wondering if i should even bother upgrading at all

i have a 12700k atm
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>>102914844
are you already on DDR5? I would focus on saving for a 5090 if that's your thing.
CPU wise, the x3d will be the best for gaming.
value wise, it might be worth picking up a 14th gen at a massive discount

>don't crucify me for a 14th gen rec

tl;dr 12700k is fine
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>>102914844
I wouldn't upgrade from a 12700k to anything at this point. The only scenario in which an X3D would be worth it is if you play a particular game which gets a huge boost, like Factorio for instance. If you spend a lot of time in such a game and are hitting the performance cap on your current CPU, then get one since the uplift is huge. Otherwise I don't think there's any need to bother.
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i honestly don't have any idea whether to buy Intel Arrow Lake or AMD 9800X3D :\
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>>102915053
its not hard. arrowlake for productivity and x3d for overpriced gaming
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I have a 2TB 970 EVO+ in Gen3x4 slot , an empty Gen2x4 slot and $100
Should I get another EVO+ and raid them , get 1TB 970 Pro for the MLC meme (and swap it in the faster slot) , or sell EVO+ to get some cheap 4TB instead?
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>>102914641
CPU: 285k
GPU: Current peak pandemic Gigabyte 3080
Mobo: Msi x890 Tomahawk
memory: 32 gb dual memory kit of the lowest available cas latency cudimms on launch day
Nvme: Gen 5 t700 4tb
aio: arctic III 420
case: thermaltake CTE T500
fans: 5 additional arctic p14 max
psu: be quiet BN515 850w atx 3.0

Upgrading from an 9900k and game at 5120x1440
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>>102915255
are you finding listings for cudimms?
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>>102914826
yep:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng18Tvg0AEs
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If I plug an argb fan into an old 3 pin fan controller, do the lights stay off or I just won't be able to control them?
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>>102915302
only crucial is selling a jedec standard (6400mt/s 52 cas) kit directly from their website at the moment.
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>>102915372
Nice "low latency".
Trash dimms
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>>102915403
yes i agree. cudimms kits sent in the 200s review kits from gskill and others are around 8200mt/s with cas timings starting around 40 which would be a much better option.
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Blackpill me on gaming laptops
Im strongly considering getting a 14900HX + 4090 one custom built
Im not 100% on a laptop, but i will probably have to be without a dedicated gamer pc for upwards of 1/3rd of the year otherwise
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>>102914743
>the fact that it can heat up so much is impressive
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>>102915564
>gonna spend a new high end rig worth of money for a crippled mobile gpu just to cope for 4 months
anon just cope with a good handheld (so anything but the deck)
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>>102914641
miku
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What motherboard do I get with this build? Just take note that I only have Asus, MSI and Gigabyte available in my country.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n6P2KX
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>>102915564
i9 and 90 series to just too much heat and power for a laptop unless you want a portable heater too. dial it back to to a i7 or i9 with an xx80 series card and it will still be hot just not unreasonably so. imho
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>9600X will be $200 during blacked friday
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https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/list/Hv2tmD
brother got payed and asked me to pick parts for him
what do anons stink?
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>>102915606
>anon just cope with a good handheld
gameboy advanced sp blue edition
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>>102915313
Any leaks on what's so different this time to call it "reimagined"?
Both CCD have X3D?
Stacked L2+ (faster than L3 but split up into smaller pieces directly connected to each core)?
HBM in place of one CCD?
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>>102915704
isnt the 5700x3d better tho?
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Can PBO settings fuck with the GPU in some way?
I noticed that after setting PBO to auto instead of doing some manual values and CO settings I don't get my GPU to crash when trying certain overclock/undervolt settings on it.
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Why are there no good budget options for inexpensive AM5 boards with wifi and zero RGB, and also isn't fucking butt-ugly? The closest I've found was ASRock PG Lightning X670E but its got an ugly ass print on the board plus doesn't have wifi and there's the Gigabyte Gaming X AX V2 where it's less ugly and has wifi but it's a tad pricier
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>>102915760
General idea is solid. I've optimized it somewhat here:https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/list/wXBNkJ
One thing I will say first is that I'm wary of giving normies AMD cards. They always seem to fuck them up somehow (or maybe AMD does but that's a separate topic).
Here's the changes I've made and my justifications:
>Cooler
You want one. Even the cheapest tower is miles better than the stock slug. Don't forget to put some hysteresis in to the fan curves so he'll actually benefit from the extra mass.
>Board
Matter of a small cost saving and avoiding the crappy Mediatek WiFi. If he needs WiFi, add an AX210 card.
>RAM
Cost saving.
>Storage
HDD in 2024 is a firm no IMO. Also moved away from the QLC boot drive.
>PSU
Cost saving.
>Fan
Yes the 5-pack is better value per fan but the 4000D only needs one extra to get good cooling. Maybe put it back in if you're going to use them yourself?
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Who the FUCK gives a shit about whether a blurry snoyglop movie made with Unreal 5 that nobody will remember in 6 months gets 0.1 FPS more or less?
Why do no """game""" reviewers benchmark autism games that actually care about CPU?
I think the only one is GN with the recent addition of the Stellaris benchmark.
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>>102915992
Why X670? B650 would be the logical choice for a budget board.
Also best to add your own WiFi card on AM5 because 99% of them have a Mediatek chipset with dropout issues.
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>>102915687
>>102915606
This are good points, thanks
Currently running an old Lenovo legion and heating seems like a bigger bottleneck than hardware
Might actually just go for a mid tier rig and a mid tier laptop for around the same price
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>>102915779
>HBM in place of one CCD?
Not even HBM3e is nowhere near as fast as the current L3 X3D cache.
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>update bios
>suddenly ram has issues even though I'm using same settings
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Brother needs a work laptop that can also do some light gaming like League and shit
Any recommendations under €500?
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>>102916168
this happened to me and i could never run XMP again

>pain
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>>102914743
>4096 watts
KEK what the fuck
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>>102916174
Thinkpad P51
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>>102916190
Same shit as removing the limit. Means it'll boost to the thermal maximum instead.
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>>102916056
Slop is popular and gets the clicks but yeah I wish somebody would bench KSP or Minecraft. Though in a way it doesn't really matter because there's a high chance every chart would mirror the rankings of a Cinebench 1T run.
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>>102914641
Xiaomi G Pro 27i should be on the 1440p Monitor recommendations
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870 tomahawk
gskill 6000 30 64gb ram
phantom spirit cooler
9800x3d

soon gonna put these in my 50$ case from 2015 that has a hole on the side panel for the 12vhpwr cable
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>>102916188
Sad thing is I have to update if I want to upgrade to 5700x3d, my old bios was version 2xxx
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>>102914743
125w is stock with the boost profile being 250W again.
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>>102916229
>inb4 intel manage to create a cpu that actually draws 4096 watts
God just IMAGINE
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>>102916258
I wish reviewers would benchmark as many game engines as possible. Monecraft on the other hand, I wish was a regular benchmark using the vanilla version, modded with optimization mods, and with shaders in a standardized repeatable fashion somehow, such as when generating a world, loading chunks, boot times, running through a worldwith contraptions, etc.
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>>102916258
>there's a high chance every chart would mirror the rankings of a Cinebench 1T run
That's not really true, cache and latency are still important for sim-heavy games.
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I can't wait for 5060 ti 16gb
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>>102916259
What is this monitor about? Been seeing it brought up a lot lately.
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>>102915992
B650m HDV, add a WiFi card. X670e is not budget. I'd say x870 pro rs WiFi is the best value right now.
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>>102916364
>5060ti getting 16 gb when 5080 barely gets it
Kek
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>>102916165
Yea it won't replace cache, but a 16~24GB HBM stack can upgrade or for some use cases even replace RAM.
It's already been done on some server CPUs so modern OS are aware of tiered memory.
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>>102916174
ThinkPad and dell Latitude, go to tpg/
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Is this the longest wait between GPU generations? It's gonns be like 2.5 years if it launches during CES next year.
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>>102916364
you mean 12 gb
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Brehs, build is not final yet, need to replace the ram. Qube 500 is pretty cool.
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Amd fans are rabid
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>>102916436
>Stock cables
Breh
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>>102916447
Shintel fans are delusional.
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>>102916390
I expect tiered caching will become more popular as top grade silicon gets more expensive. Designing a good HBM interconnect will start to look mighty attractive when you're staring down a $50k wafer.
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According to pcpartpicker I can add a 120w TDP CPU (say 9800x3d) on top of my 4090 and be fine with my 750W PSU
Time to give it a shot
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3d cache gpu's when?
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2 more days until the cpu arrives 2 weeks later than the first part
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>>102916339
Would be nice.

>>102916346
Yeah true. Factorio is the obvious counterpoint.
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>>102916449
So cable sleeves or can I get super flower compatible cables?
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>>102916468
AMD has infinity cache on RDNA
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>>102916463
Should be fine if the PSU is strong. The 4090 itself can run at 350W with minimal performance loss as well.
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>>102916463
Is your PSU ATX 3.1 though anon?
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>>102916486
Hopefully it'll hold, I've set a temp limit of 84° but maybe I'll just run it at 90% power limit for like 3% performance loss.

>>102916490
I don't know, probably not. It's gold certified and A-tier in the tier list though, I'm trusting it...
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>>102916564
Don't use it for 4090. Get one with 3.1 and check hwbusters instead of LTT.
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>>102916584
I've already been using it with my 4090 for ten months, been fine so far.
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>>102916564
A temp limit will do basically the same thing. Though as I recall you can go quite a bit lower than 90% before you see a 3% drop; Nvidia seems to have given it the power limit for a much larger die.

>>102916584
If it meets the requirements for A-tier then the worst thing that'll happen is a shutdown. No sense tossing a working PSU based on speculation.
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>>102916591
House fire pilled.
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>>102916007
yeah the fans were just because the reviews on the case said the stock ones werent enough so might as well get a few for future
youre probably right about storage lol, just used to having a HDD for everything else that isnt boot drive so put it in there

thanks for the suggestions
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Day 564 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.
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>>102916601
>If it meets the requirements for A-tier then the worst thing that'll happen is a shutdown

I did get a complete shutdown once without any error message as I was playing a heavily unstable and porn modded Skyrim, the game froze and my screen turned black then the PC entirely shut down. I wonder if that was the PSU, nothing else happened since then.
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>>102916667
>heavily unstable and porn modded Skyrim
Y-yeah definitely the PSU.
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What if.... cpu's with 4d cache
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>>102915767
rayquaza limited edition or bust
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Not that it's replacing DIMMs anytime soon I'd imagine, but which is supposed to be the future of desktop memory down the line? CAMM2 or CUDIMM?
https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-preparing-z890-aorus-tachyon-ice-motherboard-with-camm2-memory-support
https://videocardz.com/newz/colorful-showcases-ddr5-cudimm-memory-overclocked-to-10000-mt-s
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>M.2
>now CAMM2
how long until there's no more room to put pointless garbage on motherboards?
why is onboard m.2 even a thing?
what was the problem with putting an expansion card with a bunch of m.2 slots into a PCIE slot? Now you get m.2 drives cooking themselves due to sitting in a deadzone, and retardation like nvme drives downgrading your GPU's lanes.
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>>102916463
you did multiply 120w by 1.3 to get the real tdp first right
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WHAT AM I WAITFAGGING FOR
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>>102916584
>Get one with 3.1 and check hwbusters instead of LTT.
Seriously, quit referencing the shitty Tier-list written and managed by nobodies.
HWBusters/Cybenetics is the reason why Gamers Nexus don't bother setting up their own PSU reviews because they'll repeat the same shit at best.
GN's recent 12VHPWR video soured information from Cybenetics.
The most reliable units on that crappy list are the ones reviewed by HWBusters anyway.

If a PSU manufacturer didn't send a review sample to HWBusters, that model's probably not worth your money.
It's that simple.
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>>102916707
you have to get those lanes from somewhere anon, pcie slot or onboard makes no difference
x670e supports 1 gen 5 pcie slot and 3 nvme slots with zero performance downgrades, that's plenty
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>>102916719
The 7800X3D has an 88W PPT and pulls more like 50W in games. Stands to reason the 9800X3D will be similar but even if it isn't the rig would still be well under 750W.
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>>102916803
>But ratings mostly tell nothing, like 80 Plus certification
That's why Corsair's completely ditching 80 Plus certification and just going with Cybenetics.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/power-supplies/corsair-ditches-80-plus-for-psus-here-are-the-cybenetics-ratings-itll-use-instead/
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finally, arrowlake and blackwell are here. time to start waiting for novalake and rubin
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>>102916803
Why is the tier list bad? Are there negative feedbacks of people's PSUs blowing up because they listened to them?
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>>102916856
It's fine just outdated. Been a year since the last revision.
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>>102914777
Generally not, but it depends on the game and settings (pic related).
Of course, playing on 4k high rather than ultra, or using a 5090, might make it a more common situation.
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>NVIDIA might leapfrog 3nm process, moving straight to TSMC 2nm
Absolutely based
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>>102916371
27-inch QHD IPS Mini LED Quantum Dot panel with 180 Hz, Adaptive-Sync, HDR1000, 1,152 dimming zones and a wide color gamut

All of this for 369$ on Amazon
In Europe though, I can find online shops selling it at 315€

So overall an amazing price/performance monitor
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>>102916868
it is on 3nm tho
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>>102916707
>how long until there's no more room to put pointless garbage on motherboards?
>why is onboard m.2 even a thing?
Laptop integration is driving PC design now, with Desktop DIY more of an afterthought than ever I'd imagine. It's like how even many $300-400+ motherboards don't have more than 4x SATA ports anymore. In addition to hogging precious PCB real estate on the ATX-dimension'd spec, requiring EVEN MORE screws to install and swap stuff when simple push/pull latches on DIMM Banks & PCIe Slots were already there is not the direction I would have taken. Given how dense CPU chips are getting I wonder if we'll get to the point where they just start combining the die and socket all-in-one and have the IHS fused into the VRM heatsink or something like there too.

>>102916791
>WHAT AM I WAITFAGGING FOR
I guess to see final confirmation on how good or bad Arrow Lake & Zen 5 X3D is. Otherwise nothing I find interesting until true 4K RGB OLED arrives next year.
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>>102916856
It's redundant, all the reliable ratings in that list are sourced from Cybenetics reviews.
The rest are mostly subjective/anecdotal/amateur opinions.
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>>102916813
You're right, I just looked up some reviews of the 7800x3d power draw and it's suprisingly low
AMD truly fucked Intel up when it comes to gaming
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Is Zen 6 confirmed to be on AM5?
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>>102916681
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Buying intlel in current year kek some people don't learn
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>>102916958
You're brown.
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my 9950x box is still sealed...
surely i can just... wait... until the x3d...
sell it at a 100–150 bucks loss and pay an extra 150 minimum...
surely that's sensible... haha...
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>>102916936
It makes a bit of sense if you understand that AMD invented their TDP formula to give OEMs an idea of what Intel-equivalent cooling solutions they should use. 3D cache makes the chip harder to cool so a higher TDP was, quite literally, chosen.
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>>102916999
>16 cores
>SIXTEEN

don't ever sell it
you have the core supremacy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61_qi4YVUpE

>who will win
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>>102916910
>integration is driving PC design
thats an interesting point.

>if you could buy, say a pure fantasy, an integrated board design in a chassis bigger than a NUC but only able to host a single GPU that had a really high performance Threadripper-like CPU on it on with only two RAM slots and PCIe slots and a modest number of USB external ports and good integrated cooling vs an all separates (mobo,CPU, etc.) the same CPU with 5 slots and a dozen USB ports - which would you prefer?
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>>102917024
the 9950x3d would have 16 cores too though
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>>102917024
Yes.
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>>102917030
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>>102917056
i creamed my pants and i'm sure i didn't even count them right
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>>102917044
Huh just sell your CPU and dont buy another one
you could bend the CPU socket pins when taking off your old one, isn't it safer to not touch your already working computer?
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>>102916380
what about for full ATX sized boards?
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>>102917065
whoa hachi mamma
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>>102916259
>Xiaomi G Pro 27i should be on the 1440p Monitor recommendations
>>102916878
>27-inch QHD IPS Mini LED Quantum Dot panel with 180 Hz, Adaptive-Sync, HDR1000, 1,152 dimming zones and a wide color gamut
https://www.tomshardware.com/monitors/gaming-monitors/xiaomi-g-pro-27i-27-inch-qhd-180-hz-gaming-monitor-review
Interesting. That's as many zones as on the 27" Innocn 27M2V which is also an MiniLED-backlit IPS, only difference is that monitor is 4K instead of 1440p and $100 more.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/innocn/27m2v
Seems like a good mid-option for those with a budget a bit higher than the $250 market but not wanting to go full OLED yet.
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>>102917030
>ohhhh
>yyaaass
>ooouuuu
god women are obnoxious
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27”, VA, 1440p, 60hz, ≤300€
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>>102917089
it's still in the box
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>>102917148
do the research yourself spoonfeeding needing nigger
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>>102917030
ngl it looks good
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>>102917176
Are you building a new rig? Because with AM5 the CPUs dont have pins anymore, it's on your mobo.Which means it's riskier than ever to insert a CPU.
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Add another $100 to the 5090 MSRP!
In fact, add another $100 to every class MSRP!
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>>102917031
>if you could buy, say a pure fantasy, an integrated board design in a chassis bigger than a NUC but only able to host a single GPU that had a really high performance Threadripper-like CPU on it on with only two RAM slots and PCIe slots and a modest number of USB external ports and good integrated cooling vs an all separates (mobo,CPU, etc.) the same CPU with 5 slots and a dozen USB ports - which would you prefer?
If it was cheaper than buying everything discretely and putting assembling it myself, yes actually. And it very well could be much cheaper on account of economies of scale in production. There's never really been a major play into a real Enthusiast-class AIO other than what Minisforum does on occasion.
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>>102917031
i would unironically buy a chinese mystery laptop meat-like all-in-one board but made from desktop components
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>>102917224
glad i'm >>102917031 not the only one thinking this way. for me i buy or build then keep for a long time, not chasing upgrades, just want the best performance for high dollars that will last.
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>>102917109
>Seems like a good mid-option for those with a budget a bit higher than the $250 market but not wanting to go full OLED yet.
pretty much
I'll be upgrading soon from my 1080@75Hz and I specifically want 1440p (4k is too gpu intensive) with at least 120Hz and the best possible image quality, but I'm not willing to spend 400€+, specially on a OLED (which would most likely burn after 1 year anyway)
from everything I've searched so far, this is best option
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Is it worth geting a 7800XT or should I wait for 8000 series cards
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>>102917332
lol what 8000 series cards

They will never exist
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>"Holiday" promotion
LOL those prices ain't ever going back up. Also still ~$50 more expensive that equivalent Zen 4 models. This cycle of AMD releasing products at stupid MSRPs, getting raked over the coals by consumers and reviewers, only to then drop prices a weeks or months later after stock begins rotting on shelves has got to stop. Is it really worth destroying their reputation and not having good sell-through of inventory for protracted periods of time just to poach a few fanboy whales? Good sign for Arrow Lake though that they are doing this days before it's launch.
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>>102917423
>up to on every price
nasty work
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>>102914641
bros

I'm planning on doing a full setup upgrade in the next 3 to 4 months
my current rig is nearing 9 year of age, it can't run most games past 2020 (even Northen Journey crashes it), it even chokes on software like VSC and MatLab (Unreal as been impossible to use for months) - overall it's time I put it to rest

I already decided on most components and peripherals
only the mobo, cpu, gpu and psu remain undecised - the first two will be choosen after Intel 15th gen and 9800X3D come out ; for the gpu I'm thinking of waiting until CES 2025, by which time AMD 8000 cards will release and NVIDIA 5000 cards will also be already available ; the psu obviously will be bought once I've decided on the previous components

but that's not what I've come here to ask you today
rather, I'm thinking of buying every component and peripheral (again, save the mobo, cpu, gpu and psu) during Black Friday
is this a good idea?
do stores really have significant discounts (10% would already be quite significant imo) during this time?
will I still have trouble with stock even if I reserve?
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>>102916983
No but you're kvetching
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Anon here that broke his gpu yesterday
Went the entire day with no issues after setting bios settings back to normal. GPU only crashes if I increase 150mhz or more the core clock from stock through MSI afterburner. I can do +75 fine still and +1000mhz memory without trouble. I tested this with some games that always fucking seem to crash if there's a hint of lack of stability.
The temps while lower are nothing outstanding. I'm afraid of opening the fucker again so I'll just have to eat it up.
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Does anyone know if there's a spiritual successor to the Themaltake Core X9? I want a large case which supports a horizontal motherboard, but can't get my hands on a good one.
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>>102917509
microcenter is good on bundle deals
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>>102917509
>rather, I'm thinking of buying every component and peripheral (again, save the mobo, cpu, gpu and psu) during Black Friday
is this a good idea?
>will I still have trouble with stock even if I reserve?
Non-performance governing parts like the Case, RAM, & SSD are "fine" to buy ahead if there's a good deal on Black Friday. However for the SSD & RAM I'd only do it if you have a system you can test them with to make sure you didn't receive a DOA part rather than only finding out in January past your return period.
>do stores really have significant discounts (10% would already be quite significant imo) during this time?
Yes. If you see something that looks like a good deal, you can use price history trackers like CamelCamelCamel or Keepa to see if it's actually a good buy compared to in the past.
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>>102917570
sorry to hear that, fren.
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did they fix the burn in problem with oleds yet ?
i'm scared to buy an expensive oled
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>>102917509
>rather, I'm thinking of buying every component and peripheral (again, save the mobo, cpu, gpu and psu) during Black Friday
>is this a good idea?
Don't buy stuff if you won't be able to test if it works. it's much easier to return to the store than to do a warranty rma.
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Is it a bad idea to PTM and deshroud a new GPU on day 1?
Bought a 4070S Ventus with two shitty fans and a dogshit cooler because it was the only thing over here and really thinking of doing both with 120mm fans as soon as it arrives.
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>>102917821
EVERYBODY LOOK!
Another anon is about to bork their GPU
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>>102917843
>killing your GPU by repasting
PEBKAC issue
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>>102917843
>>102917821
please let us know if you do and how it turns out

>evil grin intensifies
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>>102917821
Why not just use the card to see if it's an issue?
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>>102914641
That's a good miku.
I have that one along with around 120 others.
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>>102914641
miku a shit
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>>102917509
Bro it's like 4 weeks out you might as well wait
stores are keeping everything hiked until then anyway
don't expect big discounts but yeah 10% on each component would be good looking out


>CES 2025, by which time AMD 8000 cards will release
well I doubt that
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>getting over 100 fps on Ghost of Tsushima with high settings at 1440p with a 5700 XT/7800X3D build
Getting the new GPUs for non-RT gaming really feels like such a waste when they're unimpressive in practice...
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>>102917890
Because I'm sure it'll be an issue according to previous experiences regarding ~200W cards.
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>>102918043
>check 5700xt benchmarks
>capping out 100% on GPU at 60FPS on high at 1080p
hmm
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>>102917570
You test the limits of the GPU core boost OC first, then work on the memory frequency OC.
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>>102918053
OC + undervolt the card first before you make any physical modifications.
You should be able to match stock performance with an overclock set at 950mV GPU core limit.
+105~150MHz GPU core & +600~800MHz for the memory is usually fine.
https://github.com/LunarPSD/NvidiaOverclocking/blob/main/Nvidia%20Overclocking.md
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPpW9yXHvOU

If you don't set a positive GPU core boost frequency offset, you're just setting a voltage limit to the card.
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>>102918119
Well, I'm using FG and FSR3 too so
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>>102917752
Learn how OLEDs work and you will get you answer.
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>>102917220
Guess what? Still playing old games that don't need gaytracing or blurSS :^)
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>>102918043
>>102918193
The very core of that game has system resources budgeted to run @ 30 FPS on the PS4.
It runs well on the Steam Deck.
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>>102918043
Looks more stylish than any troontraced game.
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>>102918193
>I'm using FG and FSR3 too so
kek
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>>102918232
Based, I've been emulating a bunch of old games, can't remember the last time I bought a new AAA.
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so amd will always be last place in upscaling tech from now on?
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>>102917236
Go check out the Erying boards on AliExpress, they offer decent prices on 14th Gen hx DDR4 boards that can OC pretty well, I bought the tiger lake ES board a while back to use on a test bench and the BIOS was surprisingly good, only issue with that board is the dogshit VRMs.
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Looking for a new monitor for bo6. Should I get a 240hz ips or 240hz oled? Right now I’m looking at the LG 27GR83Q-B and the ASUS XG27AQDMG. I would pony up and get the PG27AQDP but it’s severely backordered and I want something I can play day 1.
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>>102918448
They have eyes on console APUs and mobile gaming handhelds, both upscaling and frame generation help AMD's clients use smaller chips that draw less power. It will get better for those reasons alone.
They don't care as much about dGPU customers.

FSR 1/2/3 upscaling is as bad as it is because AMD wanted their solution to work on consoles.
Major console titles like Zelda, Hogwarts, and D4 all use FSR to run at 30fps.
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>>102917821
putting an oversized cooler is one way of making a GPU quieter.
but you kill 2 birds with one stone if you just use a frame limiter. you will make the game smoother, colder, and quieter.
Also I just realized that the 4070 runs cold. Maybe there is something wrong with my 1660 TI, but it always runs at 80C with max fan speed, but every review shows the 4070 running 60-70C which is enough for the GPU's to lower the fan speed to 50% which is my target when I use a frame limiter (I need to lower the FPS down significantly to reach that).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr3QN-vSGd0
>It's so much quieter and colder!
That is already a very quiet PC, 50% fan speed is much more quieter than 100% fan speed.
I thought that I have autism for using a limiter and caring about noise, but maybe my GPU is just loud AF?
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>>102918491
i head fsr 4 is moving to ai upscaling
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what happened to all the blower style cards? Is shit just running so hot these days that they can't cool them enough? my founders 1070ti ran just fine without heat problems.
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>>102918582
1070Ti was 170W hard cap
4070Ti is 285W typical before spikes
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Reminder that Intel was running PL1 and PL2 at 250W vs the Zen 5 gaming benchmarks, Arrow-Lake is a joke.
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>>102918582
Blower cards are really niche and just shit, the only time you’d want a blower card would be if you’re using a case with really poor airflow (like a prebuilt) and you don’t want the gpu to expel its hot air into the case. It’s a combination of gpus being hotter, blowers being loud as fuck, and modern cases being much better than ones from like 15 years ago
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>>102918516
Limiting fps to 60 in a game you can only run at ~70 is a good idea but not going to make much of a difference in this regard. Undervolting might.
>but it always runs at 80C with max fan speed
My 2060 was thermal throttling (83C) for a long time before I replaced its shitty half-broken fans with other shitty but functioning (for now) fans. Then I figured why not go further and replaced the thermal paste, undervolted, and bought a case with good airflow. Now it doesn't go past 71 at 100% load.
>1660ti - 120W
>4070 - 200W
So it definitely generates more heat at full load, although the cooling may be better. Also, 100% is usually overkill and probably shouldn't be kicking in at 80C, just set a custom curve.
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If I drop a few frames, say somewhat consistently dropping to 56-59 while my GPU utilization sits at around 80-85% (Never going anywhere near even 95%) is that a sign that my CPU is bottlenecking me?
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>>102918696
Yes, unless you set a frame limit between 57~58 fps.
The game could have dogshit coding too.
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>>102914641
If i have 7800x3d
And use 2x16GB 6000CL30
Should i oc the ram or leave it stock
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>>102918657
blower cards allow for pictures on the front
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>can’t use top pcie slot with am5 offset bracket installed on cooler
>have to reinstall the cooler, reapply thermal paste, and sacrifice temps to install gpu
FUCK
Always make complete sure every single thing in your build is compatible, bros
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Which of the 2 spots should I put an extra fan in? Or should I just say fuck it and fill both? Or is it not going to do much so I shouldn't even bother?
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>>102918199
doesn't really answer my question.

monitors unboxed guy says 3-4 years until you get noticeable burn in under favorable conidtions.
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>>102918842
What’s the point of dressing as an anthro if you’re taking away the best part about the character
God I hate egirls so fucking much
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>>102918842
does her phone case say
EAT
SLEEP
BRAP
REPEAT
What the hell
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>>102918842
The answer is that OLEDs will always develop burn-in, it is just a matter of time.
Even LCDs can develop burn-in, I had an old VA monitor with the Windows task bar burned in.
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>>102918873
I've had a IPS from 2008 "burn-in" in like 2012 after using the same back ground a lock screen picture for like 3 years straight.

I eventually got it unstuck with those pixel refresher apps after like a week or two of using it.
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>>102918817
Doesn't really matter unless your GPU's cooling is kinda garbage and could use extra air straight from the bottom
2 front 1 back is enough
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>>102914718
1440p at 27" is the sweet spot where everything looks sharp without being a performance tank like 4K.
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>>102914718
agreed. we need 4k at 27"
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>>102918817
The only use for fans in that position is when deshrouding your GPU and the fans should be higher touching the GPU's heatsink.
Anything else is just RGB zoomerism to shove more fans with gay leds inside the case.
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>>102918895
>>102918989
I saw it helping somewhat in GN's tests (case is lancool 2 mesh), but I imagine it still depends on various factors. Like my GPU's length, which is the reason I'm asking. And its cooling is probably kinda garbage indeed.
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>>102918896
Yeah, but on the other side if you go 4K you can actually utilize DLSS as it was intended. DLSS is more or less a meme at lower resolutions than that, people claim its good at 1440p but I've yet to play a single game where I don't notice that I'm upscaling with DLSS and I'm always using quality mode.

at 4k, dlss is good enough that you're probably not going to notice it.
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RDOA4
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>>102919048
DLSS looks bad only at 1080p, at either 1440p or 4K it's fine. Plus not all games support DLSS.
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>>102919080
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>>102918896
It's a fucking waste, there should be more 1440p 32" monitors.
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Is there s resson why I couldn't repaint all of my electronics (cases, monitors, gpu shrouds) to be white instead of black? I need the visibility in the room.

If so, what paint should I use?
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>>102916940
yes, but HWunboxed are pretending its not so they have something to criticize AMD over
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>>102919364
seems easier to get a light instead of dealing with repainting and masking fucking everthing
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>>102919388
>get a light
>use the sun
>monitor becomes hot to touch
>other peripherals still dark and absorb light like black hole making screws and mosquitoes difficult to spot
If this bitch doesn't look like Mirror's Edge then it ain't bright enough.
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>>102917821
you'll be fine just taking off the fans and replacing them with 120mm's, ootb paste will be fine
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>>102918662
Wow, you are correct, I messed around and applied this curve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM6UDYeoY8M
It's significant I can increase the fps by like 20% with the fan being at 50%, and with a fan curve I can make the fan run slower a little lower so it's extra quiet, but it's not enough to remove the frame limiter. But it has more to do with my monitor being 1080p 165hz, I think for most games at lowest settings + 720p 144hz would be reachable frame limit with quiet fans.
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>>102919364
https://youtu.be/zY8R7XFkda4
For monitors you probably should be also disassembling them instead of using masking tape.
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>>102919363
Is this with all devices combined including laptops?
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>>102919579
based on the gpu skus it appears its mostly from desktop
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>>102919669
>it's another Athlon era episode
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how exactly does temperature affect a CPUs lifespan?
i thought staying at 90c was something really bad for a cpu, but from what ive heard of am5, it aims to be that hot to squeeze as much performance as you can get from it. what about a cpu constantly staying at 50 or 60 c?
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Do I have to peel off the film from monitors before using them? It won't affect cooling in any way as long as the vents are open, right?
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>>102919827
>Do I have to peel off the film from monitors before using them?
Yes, retard
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what's the best video card I can run on a ryzen 5 5600 and a 550 watt PSU?
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>update to latest drivers
>Previously stable oc starts crashing
Cool amd
Could they just hurry the fuck up and make udna already
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>>102919904
>peel off the film because... you just have to ok!!!!
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>>102919921
UDNA will not come out until at least 2028
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>>102919940
Correct, you have to, but keep drooling, retard.
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>>102919913
4070 Super or wait for the 8800XT
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idk much about painting pc parts and peripherals but something tells me painting a mobo pcb and fans specifically is a bad idea
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OS: Windows 11 Pro
Mobo: Asrock B450M Steel Legend
CPU: Ryzen 9 5900x
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frozen Prism 240 ARGB AIO
GPU: ASUS ROG Strix GTX 1080
Memory: Corsair VENGEANCE LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 (Was just running at the stock speed until I put it to 2933 recently, 3200 wouldn't work)
Storage: WD_BLACK 1TB SN770 NVMe
Fans: Two corsair 120mm fans on the rear and top in addition to the AIO at the front
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX750B
CASE: Versa H18 TG Micro Case

I got this computer in late july off facebook marketplace for 600 CAD. I think it was a good deal and it's been working perfectly and still is but around a month and a half ago this smell started that comes and goes. All the temps for the components are normal. It will go entire days with no smell or longer even but sometimes it will be quite strong before going away again eventually. Best I can come up with for a description of the smell is that it smells almost like cooked food??? Coil whine type sound that is even less frequent and I think has been present since I first got the computer and for some reason yesterday when I finally bothered to change the ram speed to something higher it got quite loud and at one point started doing this weird stop start pattern where it would go nearly silent for like half a second ramp back up and so on. Still whining a little bit today but not like last night.
TLDR: Weird smell started a month ago, also some pretty bad coil whine immediately after I changed the ram speed.

Should I be worried about anything? Worst case scenario it could be something with the power supply I guess. I'm gonna open up the case regardless and take a look.
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>>102919976
>4070
that high? damn, I was expecting 30XX at best
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Why is there just one guy who has a channel centered around Fractal Node 202 build videos?
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>>102919996
it uses less than 200w, ada is efficient
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>>102919996
yep.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4070-super.c4186

>>102920059
its 220W
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>>102915313
It's so over I literally just built a new pc
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>>102919992
I'd check all the wiring, might as well use an air duster to clean it.
I would pay attention to CPU temps from time to time.
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I think everyone should start building anime PCs. Its too soulless to see another black box
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>>102920092
Modern animation is even more soulless
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>>102920081
Even a 7800X3D is overkill for most (99%) gamers.
I doubt the PS6's CPU will be better than it.
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>>102920115
Correct, I was given a Shikinami figure and I've kept it locked away for over a year, unable to burn it as much as ai want it to. Don't know what the hell to do with it.
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>>102920129
PS6 will probably just be 8xZen5C cores.
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>>102920092
I don't idolize/fetishize my PC, it stays cool with a solid side panel under the desk.
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>>102920092
anime has been completely soulless since a decade ago, anon
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>>102920092
>tranime pc
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I put a Minecraft creeper insside my case, it props up my GPU.
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>>102919529
I'd suggest not undervolting that way, it performs slightly worse and only affects the highest voltage.
Instead
>calculate the difference between the default clock at your target voltage and the clock you're aiming for
>input +[number] under Core Clock in the main window
>select the target point, shift+select the rest of the curve to the right (make sure the target point is included), press shift+enter twice to flatten
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You need a 1200W+ PSU for true efficiency.
Or are you an energy waster, chud?
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>>102920092
Fuck no, chinks are into that and therefore you can get plenty of related stuff on Aliexpress to do the same.
Every single anime-themed build looks like a mix of weeb cringe with zoomer RGB trash cringe.
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>>102915053
>no reviews or benchmarks out yet
>i can't decide
Faggot
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>>102920059
>>102920078
turns out the biggest thing holding back what card I choose isn't my PSU or motherboard but my monitors, which still use DVI connectors.

... how shitty would it be to use DVI to displayport adapters? I don't care about super high resolution gaming, 1080p is fine for me.
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>>102915779
they're reimagining the price point
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>>102920316
dual link DVI supports 1440p 60hz
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OK /g/ I haven't built a PC in about 10 years. Got some cash to blow and wondering if it's worth it to wait for Black Friday or not. Do core components and peripherals tend to see decent sales around that time?
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>>102920296
not that anon, but the earlier you choose, the better silicon you get... typically
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>>102915779
they redesigned the CCD so that the V-Cache can be stacked in multiple layers and its away from the cores so the cache wont get damaged from the clocks being set higher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPLKa4crk8A

5.6ghz boost, the 7800X3D only went to 5ghz.
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-cinebench-r23-leak-shows-all-core-frequency-of-5-6-ghz-with-pbo-enabled
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>>102915779
>Both CCD have X3D?
oh, also yes. for the 9950X3D this will be the case.
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>mini ATX is smaller than micro ATX
Who named this shit?
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>>102920392
me
what ya gonna do about it huh
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>>102920392
marketing departments
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>>102915053
wait and buy the 48gb 5090
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>>102920377
7800x3d went to 5.2ghz if you have a board with external clock gen
It's amds fault for going full Jew on x3d overclocking until zen5 where the base uarch is poo and needs to be overclocked to compensate for it
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>>102915107
Not worth buying a 970 Evo Plus at this point
Better drives are cheaper, even if they're bottlenecked by your PCIe revision
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>>102915684
Depends on pricing in your country, but the Gigabyte B650/M Aorus Elite AX is pretty good
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>>102916364
If you're gaming, you're hoping for the 5060 Super 12 GB
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>rtx 4070 super
>1080p monitor, never look at higher resolutions
>won't have to upgrade for another 5 years
Ignorance is the best gpu.
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>>102920600
the 5000 series 5070 is gonna be equivalent to the 4090.
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>>102920669
Don't need a 4090 right now either.
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>>102920669
Nvidia has been cutting down the lower tier cards more and more each generation. The 5070 is gonna be a 60 class card in disguise just like how the leaks say the 5080 isn't actually gonna have the 80 class specs that it should.
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>>102920709
They are gonna have a new type of Vram on the 5000 series.


I think the 5060 will be about 20-30% slower than a 4090, the 5070 around the same as a 4090 with the 5080/5090 having a huge 60% performance increase over the previous generation.
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>>102920735
jesus christ the delusion
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>>102920669
lol no
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>>102920735
New type of vram or not you aren't getting much of it lol. 5090 will have an insane amount. 5080 gets 20 at most and the real 5080 "ti" or "super" they release later will have 24. Everything else gets 16 or less.
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>>102916856
Outdated.
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Is the H7 flow case just god tier or is the 4090 just that powerful that it never gets hot? I've never seen mine go to 50c
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>>102920669
>mfw just bought 4070 super
>mfw realized the used market will be flooded with these cards upon 5070 release
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>>102920858
Nvidia thought that RDNA3 was going to be a bigger threat because on paper it should have been, the coolers for the 4090 were built for 600W because Nvidia were expecting to push the power that high. When it became clear that RDNA3 wasn't able to punch at its theoretical weight they dropped the power limits and all the cards had overbuilt coolers.
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>>102917509
I would wait, because what you would pick up now could not fit into the later bought parts
the mobo might not fit into the case, some of the new pcie 5.0 ssds have their own cooling system which are not suitable for some mobos, some ram sets have profiles only for amd or intel, etc.
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rtx 5050 when
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>>102921147
just buy a 3060 and rip half the memory chips off
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Which AIO 360 is the strongest? Which one has the best price/performance ratio?
There is a lot of different producers and even more models, many of them have similar stats, and most of tests aren't really helpful, as they pick only few different ones instead of like 15+ ones.
Also, are the 420 AIOs worth it? There is way less of them to select from, also not so many cases can fit them in the top.
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>>102921199
Arctic Liquid Freezer III
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>>102920669
It'd be 4070+5% performance
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>>102921199
liquid freezer iii is the best on the market, what cpu do you plan on using? you might not need a 420mm, but itll definitely cool your chip faster, and considering the 420mm liquid freezer is only $8 more than the 360, its definitely worth getting if your case supports it
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Solid options for an ultrawide oled curved monitors? I've been mulling around on it for a while and haven't been wowed by anything yet.
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>>102921298
I'm not 100% sure yet, but definitely an am5 one. Perhaps 9800X3D, maybe 7950X3D, right now I'm waiting until January for the RTX 50xx and 9950X3D releases. Haven't picked the case either, I wanted to settle on the cooling first, but I was perhaps thinking of something from the fractal design.
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>>102921199
>Which AIO 360 is the strongest? Which one has the best price/performance ratio?
Depends on whether you're cooling AMD or Intel. Absolute best is generally the ID-Cooling DX 360 MAX or Lian Li Galahad II Trinity around ~$100.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/id-cooling-dx-360-max-aio-liquid-cpu-cooler/10.html

Best price/performance is the Thermalright Frozen Prism around $60.
https://gamersnexus.net/coolers/thermalright-strikes-again-5690-360mm-liquid-cooler-frozen-prism-review

>Also, are the 420 AIOs worth it? There is way less of them to select from, also not so many cases can fit them in the top.
Only if your workloads are long enough that the added heat capacity give you more extra time to perform the work with higher boost clocks before the loop gets totally heat soaked.
So for small burst workloads like photoshop, short video editing/encoding, or compiling there's no advantage over a 360 or 280mm AIO (they perform about the same) and like wise for hours long gaming sessions there's no point because both size rads will still be heatsoaked to the same level by the end of playtime. See this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDB3ZBHh5Rk

>>102921204
The Frozen Prism undercuts the LFIII units at same rad sizes in both cost and noise normalized tests now.
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>>102921331
I don't recommend the curved OLEDs now because their pixel density is shit. You're better off with a full 4K 32" panel.
If you set on a curved UW form factor wait until next year for significantly more interesting upgraded models:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=803&v=vSIEQYMjpQ4
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>>102920862
Same here it arrives tomorrow. Still on the fence if I should update from my 10th gen i7 to whatever is the latest.
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the last AMD GPU i used was a sapphire RX 580, and it was extremely loud when under load
i'm now looking for a new AMD GPU, are they usually really loud? i always heard about sapphire being a really good brand, which always confused me considering how loud it was. i'd like my new build to be a lot more quiet
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>>102921512
it was probably because it was single fan
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>>102921528
it was a dual fan
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>>102921553
in that case it probably needed repasting, dual fan cards are usually a good compromise of sound/price for cards under 200W. the 4070 for example is a 200W card and there's plenty of 2 fan models and 3 fan models.
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ignoring price and physical space compatibility, how stupid would it be to buy a mining-oriented board (the kind with a bunch of Pcie1x slots) then slap in a bunch of HSA cards and cram a case with SSDs as a dodgy storage box?
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>>102921380
Do you have similar chart for the AMD?
>Depends on whether you're cooling AMD or Intel
AMD
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>>102921668
Do not get AIO for anything under 9950X or Threadripper.
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>>102915992
>and zero RGB
you faggots are gayer than retards who spend hundreds for RGB
you can literally disable the RGB In 99% of products with it, limiting yourself to products solely because of your hatred for RGB is fucking retarded
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>>102921662
My guess would be it won't work that well, in theory it should, but compatibility will be messy. I'd expect some drives falling out time to time and other such nuisances.
If it's cheap enough you could try it, but if you are trying to save money I wouldn't risk it.
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Will 40x0 prices go down with the release of 5000s? Should I wait?
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>>102915992
I like my B650 Mortar also ProArt Asus series look fine.
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>>102921801
Only somewhat available card will be 5090, it will cost up to $3k and prosumers will swipe it away from the shelves day 2.
5080 paper launch because of GDDR7 shortage.
5070 may be a performance disappointment.
If 8800XT hits hard enough, 4070s line may becomes cheaper. 4080 will hold the price for 3-5 motnhs.
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>>102921668
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/id-cooling-dx-360-max-aio-liquid-cpu-cooler/6.html
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>>102917509
check the actual price history of shit on camelcamelcamel
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My undervolted 5800x3d and 6700xt build uses 250-300w when overclocked gaming, and only 150w when gaming with the 6700xt running at 0.837v. With the 6700xt at minimum voltage it only consumes 110w, and runs faster than the world record overclocked 6650xt still which uses like 200w.

This build is just so great.
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>>102920162
5 decades
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>>102919996
>>102919996
30xx uses twice as much power lmao, samshit 8nm
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whats the modern equivalent to the gt 1030
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>>102921999
equivalent in what sense
for cope gaming? 580
optiplex deluxe? that intel lp
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imagine for over a decade you went to a website and argued amd vs nvidia gpus
every fucking day
saying the same thing
wouldn't that be cool
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>>102921960
cool story bro but whats your kdr
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>>102921999
7500
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>>102922010
super budget gpu with a modern architecture
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>>102922014
this but one piece vs bleach
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>>102917102
B650 pro rs is pretty great.
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>>102922035
Bleach has Rukia. That alone makes it the best piece of artistic content ever made.
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>>102922033
Intel cards then, budget with all the AI memes + AV1 encoding.
A380 if you need low profile.
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>>102922053
>ywn kiss and marry rukia
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>>102922069
hows the support for games on those? i never really checked after the initial launch of the first cards, but iirc they only worked on modern games
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>>102922094
getting better, still a ways behind, making good progress
still very much an enthusiast card in the sense that you may have to tinker with it or some shit might not even work
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>>102922086
>ywn hold her warm, petite little hand
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>ywn pound Giselle's bussy
wait we were talking about PCs weren't we.
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i wanna pound lisa su's cobweb pussy
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>>102922181
That's a man
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Plan on getting a 5090 + 9800X3D. Haven't shopped for a PC in a while, Logical Increments is recommending some X70E boards by MSI and ASrock. I'd like to run the best ram kits and overclock, don't have a pressing need for a lot of m.2 slots though or even ssds. Recommendations?
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>>102922240
Lisa Su absolutely isn't just Jensen Huang in a bodysuit and wig, stop making silly accusations.
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>>102922014
Ok but AMD is genuinely trash tho
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why the fuck does no gpu reviewer ever do a sound test
the gpu is almost always the noisiest part of a build i should be able to know what it fucking sounds like
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>>102922255
Ryzen works best on 6000cl30 or 6400cl32 kits so you don't need to spend a gorillion dollars on overclocking parts
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>>102922255
Asrock Taichi seems to quite good for a nice price. The best MSI Godlike motherboard is not yet released for unknown reasons, but it will probably cost thrice as much as the Asrock Taichi and it seems to have only better ethernet/wifi than Taichi.
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>>102922255
>I'd like to run the best ram kits and overclock
You're buying the wrong CPU then. The X3D chips can't (easily) be overclocked and aren't sensitive to RAM speed.
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>>102922313
because nobody but söyboys give a shit about noise
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>>102922327
Okay and I'm assuming most mobos will be able to do 6000cl30 without having to delve too deep into right? I'm only really concerned with not being able to use premium parts or being randomly inhibited by buying the wrong mobo.

>>102922387
Is overclocking just not a thing anymore? At the very least I'd like to run things cool and quiet
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>>102922396
das rite
*chirp*
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>>102916704
This is how RAM formats will work in the future.
>DIMM
budget
>CUDIMM
Enthusiast
>CAMM2
SFF/Aesthetics Enthusiast
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>rx 6500xt is cheaper than rtx 3050 6gb and performs better
what the FUCK
why would ANYONE buy low-mid range nvidia cards
you cant even use the dlss or raytracing argument because you cant even utilize them on a card this low-end
i guess if you dont have a spare 6-pin power connector then you can only get the 3050
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>>102922410
>most mobos will be able to do 6000cl30 without having to delve too deep into right?
Yes. All but the cheapest A620 boards should be able to hit 6000. Right now DDR5 speeds are generally limited by the IMC not the board.

>Is overclocking just not a thing anymore?
Not for performance' sake. It's not like back in the day where you'd slap on your 212 and get an easy +30% all-core with a voltage bump. Partly because the boost algorithm is doing basically that OOTB and partly because the modern nodes are so efficient that the manufacturers don't have to leave any frequency on the table to meet power targets.
I will say that there's still fun to be had if you enjoy tuning for its own sake. It's just not as easy as it once was to get real performance gains for your time investment.

>I'd like to run things cool and quiet
Look into undervolting and power target tuning though, of course, the easiest way to do that is to buy a bigger cooler than you need and make the fans run slow.
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>>102922452
because le jewtuber said nvidia good of course
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>>102922410
>Is overclocking just not a thing anymore?
Basically.
>At the very least I'd like to run things cool and quiet
Should be doable with a good case and aio.
> I'm assuming most mobos will be able to do 6000cl30 without having to delve too deep into right?
You shouldn't need to set anything to run 6000cl30, those should run out of box, you might be able to boost the ram to something like 7800-8000, that's what most mobos officially support.
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>>102922465
what youtuber actually says this though
every reviewer ive seen says the same thing, "get amd because their price/perf is better unless youre interested in DLSS or other nvidia feature"
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>>102922313
everyones ears are different and even giving weighted measurements can be misleading depending on the environment they were taken in
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>>102922478
and of course that very same youtuber is using a 4090
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>>102922410
>Okay and I'm assuming most mobos will be able to do 6000cl30 without having to delve too deep into right? I'm only really concerned with not being able to use premium parts or being randomly inhibited by buying the wrong mobo.
6000CL30 is the current sweetspot and 99.9% of boards can use it fine. Many will do 7200+ but support at that level or more is seriously hit or miss.

>Is overclocking just not a thing anymore? At the very least I'd like to run things cool and quiet
No. AMD & Intel have mastered the art of binning to the point that modern chips are clocked to the hilt with turbo boost out of the gate with no real headroom to speak of.
Either get a giant 360mm AIO and set the radiator fan and pump speed to very low, or get a Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO that is the current best reasonable TOTL air cooler (without forking over for the NH-D15 G2) at least until they finally release the Royal Preytor UItra in a few months. Also a over-spec high-wattage PSU with a 0 RPM mode that won't turn on the fan in normal operation for 70-85% of your workloads. It's far easier to build a silent PC these days now that the boot drive can be a solid state NVME.
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>>102922478
i didn't say reviewer i said jewtuber
as in the kind of retard you get on /v/
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>>102922449
I see, thanks for the reply. So CAMM2 will be the vertical GPU mount of memory.
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>>102922452
you know whats upsetting, more people own the 3050 6gb than the RX6600 which is the same price and 60% faster
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>>102922535
why does this fact upset you?
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>>102922587
its ensuring the nvidia monopoly
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>>102922515
nta but CAMM2 probably has a higher frequency limit because it's screwed down. Better contact = better signal integrity. It does remain to be seen if any CPU/board can leverage that - 1DPC setups are still capable of higher speeds than 99% of IMCs can handle. Perhaps it will need DDR6 to really come in to its own as an enthusiast option.
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Anything I should know when buying a CPU when my longterm goal is to switch to Linux? I know AMD GPUs (or their drivers to be more precise) are WAY better for Linux but how about CPUs?
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>>102922676
Interesting.
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>>102922683
If you're going to gayem you probably want to avoid the dual-CCD X3Ds until an "easy" core scheduler is developed (which might have already happened depending on your definition of "easy"). Might not even be an issue if the Zen5 X3Ds have the cache on both CCDs. Other than that there's no difference.
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stop kvetching and buy intel
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>>102922595
thats on amd not providing cards people actually want to buy
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>>102922683
what do you use the pc for?
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>>102922866
did you not read what I said, its 60% faster and the same price...
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arctic has a sale on their site, snagged a freezer 36 for ~25€ including shipping for a new build. underrated budget cooler option IMO, also looks sexy af
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>>102922880
30% videogames, 70% average internet stuff. The videogames part is the only reason why Im still hesitating to move to Linux. While I dont play that often I still intend to do every once in a while. Im also stuck with an Nvidia card right now and want to use a distro that moved to Wayland. But things get better at that front, I just want to avoid doing the same mistake on the CPU side. Apparently Intel fired a bunch of their Linux driver staff, so that might be another reason to avoid Intel. All I want is an efficient CPU. Right now Im thinking about Core Ultra 265k, Ryzen 7 9700x or even 9800x3d (7800x3d seems to be efficient as fuck for a purely gaming CPU, just overpriced at the moment, so might as well get the new model).
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Why is AMD graphics okay for xbox and ps5 but nobody wants them for pc
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>>102922975
All of those are going to be pretty similarly efficient at equal power limits. The 265K slightly moreso but not enough to justify a big investment. It will have more multicore performance too but you're not doing anything that needs that. I think on balance I'd take the 9800X3D if you're buying a high-end card and/or want to play at high FPS. If not then get whatever is cheapest overall.
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>>102923102
because the people engineering the xbox and ps5 arent retarded zoomers
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>>102922888
obviously thats not enough to make people want to buy them as evidenced by the paltry sales of amd products
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best dac (not dac+amp) for windows?
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>>102923304
also needs balanced output
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>>102923304
>>102923304
there are only two options either focusrite or ultra expensive stuff
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>I can't overclock like crazy
>Therefore It's intels fault
>Make 1 hour video screaming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R8en_FtA80
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>>102923304
>>102923315
Budget? The highest effective SINAD DAC/AMP with balanced outputs is the Loxjie D40 Pro ($380) with 22.5 bits of real-world resolution.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/loxjie-d40-pro-dac-hp-amp-review.45646/
https://www.amazon.com/LOXJIE-Headphone-Amplifier-Transmission-Bluetooth/dp/B0C6B5Y39G
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>>102923394
except he's correct, the Zen4/5 memory controller is better even if it can only make use of 6000mhz because of infinity fabric
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Got 300 freedom bucks, and looking for ryzen APU and itx motherboard. Any recommendations?
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>>102923414
>>102923414
what if i want to connect monitors instead of headphone
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>>102923444
it 12500+b760 msi
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>>102923444
>Ryzen APU
>ITX
GOD WHY?
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lian li a3 case, with how my configuration is, this is how the fans between the cpu cooler, psu, and case fan would interact. is this fine or should i avoid it? ive always heard it was a bad idea to have your components "fight for air" between each other, like having two intakes face each other, but should this be fine considering the case fan intaking air right in between them?
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>>102923449
topping d10 balanced
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>>102923449
If you want to connect to speakers the best price/performance standalone DAC with Balanced Outs is the Topping D50 III for $230
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/topping-d50-iii-balanced-dac-with-eq-review.53856/
https://www.amazon.com/Topping-D50III-Desktop-ES9039Q2M-Control/dp/B0CY2H9FN7
After that you'll want to send the balanced signal through a Bal. Pre-amp & Power Amp to speakers which isn't my area of expertise.
Probably consult the ASR forums for more help or even /hpg/ in >>102901829 for further help.
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Whats the best standard 870 board between MSI, ASUS and Gigabyte? Price is not a factor, only performance.
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>>102923449
Just buy a SSL 2 MK2 or 2+ MK2, headphonejack on the front, speakers and mics or one synth at the back. And big button and small button for volume on top.
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>>102923505
Forgot about the old D10.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/topping-d10-balanced-review-usb-dac.25094/
https://www.amazon.com/Topping-D10-Balanced-ES9038Q2M-PCM384kHz/dp/B099W3335Q
It's in the realm of state-of-the-art transparent resolution and at $140 gives more budget space to put into the pre/power amp stages for speakers.
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>>102923553
>Whats the best standard 870 board between MSI, ASUS and Gigabyte? Price is not a factor, only performance.
None of them. The best X870 board is a X670-based board with more PCIe Lanes and USB 20/10/5 Gbps ports because AMD crippled the next-gen chipset for God know's what reason. It's not like USB 4 or PCIe 5.0 is useful at the moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0axuzyN_1s
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>>102923553
Asrock
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How much does the blue light filter on something like a benq matter? Is it actually any better than just using the build in blue light filter on windows 10?
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>>102917573
You can rotate Thermaltake Core V21 and change its panels whatever way you want. The case is widely available in my cunt, but I don't know how better/worse X21 is compared to X9 though.
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>>102923625
If the X670E and X870 costs the same why go for the former instead of the latter? Isn't the X870 a bit better for future proofing?

>>102923634
I can only choose between ASUS, MSI an Gigabyte unfortunately.
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>>102923707
>How much does the blue light filter on something like a benq matter? Is it actually any better than just using the build in blue light filter on windows 10?
Blue Light Filters are a meme according to the official body of research:
https://www.macularsociety.org/about/media/news/2023/september/is-blue-light-damaging-and-are-filters-worth-it/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-blue-light-glasses-help-with-eyestrain/
https://www.visioncenter.org/blog/blue-light-filter/

Mr. Blur Buster himself says they CAN help but only in certain circumstances and the marketing for them is waaaaay overstated:
https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=9211#p72918
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>>102923732
by the time we get mass adoption of usb4/pcie5 the board will be in a landfill
though 10gbe isnt exactly going mainstream anytime soon either, let alone 2.5 or 5
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>>102923732
>>102923768 This
By for the feature set that it actually useful now. Only USB4 could plausibly be argued as a realistic future-feature and if it comes to it, you could also get a cheap PCIe USB4-expansion card.
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>>102923768
to further expound upon this point, at least the x670e boards have been out for a while so you can get an idea for what ones have issues or not
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>>102923760
Nta
Not autistic enough to read these articles to check, but do they anything for sleep? I heard specifically avoiding blue lights late at night can make it easier to fall asleep
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>>102923760
I do use blue light filters and they have genuinely helped with eye strain, so no I don't think they are meme.
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>>102923760
From the top three links, the first one is basically irrelevant because they were testing whether blue light damages the eyes, which isn't the point at all since no one actually believes it does permanent damage to the eyes, just that it tires them faster.
The other two were just inconclusive, which doesn't support either way,if anything the third once even claims that it probably does help.
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>>102923768
>>102923789
>>102923815
Yes that is true but I meant when you want to upgrade to a 9000 series cpu then you'd have to get a new motherboard if you went with a X670E.
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Opinion on this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tqwwwg
Does a ryzen 7800x3d really make a big diff in gaming?
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>>102923950
update the bios and pop the new cpu in just like its always been done
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>>102923984
it makes a big difference when youre cpu limited
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>>102923986
Then what motherboard do you suggest for this build. I can only choose between ASUS, MSI and Gigabyte because of my dogshit country.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6QLWn6
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>>102924032
i only researched asrock boards for my build so i cant really comment on that
maybe check out techspot for their am5 mobo roundup articles
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>>102923984
i wouldnt go for am4 unless youre getting a 5800x3d, youre just spending more money in the long run when you eventually upgrade
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>>102923984
Personally, I think it's a bad idea to build a zen3 build at the moment (from scratch at least)
I'd suggest either going 12th gen intel if you wanna stay very budget or zen4 if you want to save money in the future.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mB4FWt
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BVC2KX
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feels weird to have a pcbg thread hit page 10 before a new one is made
guess all the shills went to bed?
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>>102924132
I'm gonna shill a new one gimme a sec
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>>102924132
the mods range banned a bunch of ips from making threads. i can post but i cant make threads.
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