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>15th gen has a gaming regression to 13th Gen, multicore performance is equivalent to Zen5
>>102935045Basically CPUs stopped getting any better around 2022 for both Intel & AMD.
>>102935045>spouting unproven lines form MLIDcan we stop giving this guy any credence? every "rumor" is just clickbait
>>102935099How'd he get pics of a new nvidia GPU sample then anon? Was it an AI generated GPU.Also lmfaooooo at MILD saying it had a regression the same day the thread on the 265K coming up and only barely faster than a 5800X3D with a worse AMD GPU lol omfg dont be real hahaha
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PtJVdHany suggestions before I order everything? No, I'm not waiting for 50 series.
putting together a red+green setup. what's a good cpu and gpu combo for mid+ settings in 4k?OP says 4080super but can i get away with a 4070S? i play on a big ass TV and i'm nearsighted so i can cut settings
What's the HDD with the best $/size ratio right now?Best one I'm seeing over here is the Toshiba MG09ACA18TE. Interestingly, it barely costs more than the 14/16TB versions. The 12TB is only slightly cheaper too, but has a higher $/TB..
>>102935441you can cut resolution in setup like this, just use FSR/DLSSAMD is better for that because you can use in driver FSR solution for every game
>>102935442depending on your use case, if you only care about archiving data, I have seen that cloud platforms offer 1tb of data using archive tier for $3 a month. On amazon it's called S3 Glacier Deep Archive.That sounds overpriced, because it is since 12tb is like $40 a month, which is $480 a year.That's like the cost of one 12tb HDD.But the problem is that HDD's have very short lifespans, and have a high failure rate, which is why they have short warranties, and why every HDD setup uses raid.And also archive cloud storage means that retrieving the data could take hours.I have not done much research but I'm sure there is some sort of open source project that uses one of the providers that lets you archive your data using some sort of webpage or something, and you essentially own your data unlike most spyware providers (plus you get much better pricing, at a cost of retrieval...).The benefit is that you don't need to worry about data loss as much, since for archival, you probably don't frequently check your integrity. If you had a raid system, it's possible you left the disk in storage for years, and it's possible it gets corrupted for both raid disks because HDD's are very fragile even when unpowered and without being dropped, if you constantly access the data, you would have time to replace both disks before the other disk has an error.At most, if the data is very important, you should both store in the cloud and locally at the same time (since the most common source of data loss, is not hardware failure... but the problem is syncing 2 sets of data is tedious), but the price of making a raid setup with HDD's is only a tiny bit cheaper than SSD's, and SSD's are more hardened from hardware failure at least after the first year of use (infant mortality), and has seemingly no lifespan limit (other than TBW), and just has astronomically better read/write performance.
>>102935629>which is why they have short warrantiesmy HGST Ultrastar came with 10year warranty.
>>102935418Natural selection is a terrifying thing...
>>102935442Use https://diskprices.com/Tick and sort by used, new, or both.For new-only it's this (whoever the fuck MaxDigitalData is):https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BCVNP2D7?psc=1^12TB for $110
>>102935761huh?
arrow lake reviews when?
>test my 4080 super at 115% power vs 100% power>45 watts and 4 degrees warmer for 1 fpsLmao
>>102935920Modern PC parts are, at stock, way too far past their peak efficiency rangeYou can drop 20% power and lose only 5%
>>102935011Can I connect a 4 pin argb connector into a 3 pin argb header and vice versa? Or will it all just get fried?
>>1029359734-pin is standard RGB not ARGB and it runs at a higher voltage. I don't think it'll fry anything because your drive voltage is lower than the spec but it won't work either way. They make adapters if your board only has one kind of header.
Anons how exactly is an AIO supposed to be good? Because the air thats supposed to be "cooling" the radiator is hot air rising from the GPU.
>>102936246This is not any different than GPU air washing over a heatsink, and you can front-mount the radiator if you want to minimize CPU temps.
AMD propaganda ministry is going all out.
>>102936246Yeah running an AIO as exhaust is worse for CPU temps but not by a huge amount. It's basically a "pick your poison" scenario - front intake favours the CPU and top exhaust the GPU. The effect in real-world use is small because you don't typically load both to 100% simultaneously. While gaming the CPU should only be pulling ~50W (maybe up to 100 with a high-end Intel) which just isn't that hard for a big AIO to dissipate.
>>102936293> not any different than GPU air washing over a heatsinkThis was the thing that was botheringAnyways if I front mount the AIO do I use the fans as intake? Wouldnt airflow be restricted?
>haven't upgraded in like 6 years>PC is still overkill for what I use itHow do I resist consooming, bros?
>>102936353post hwinfo screenshot so we can bully you into upgrading
>>102936353There's two main strategies that I know of.1: Set a budget with a discretionary/luxury component. That way you're not consooming you're sticking to your budget.2: Create artificial scarcity by investing a portion of your salary on the day it comes in.
>>102936353Whenever you consoom you fund Israel. Just think about that, it works for me, I'm still on an i7-970.
>>1029363536y is a normal life cycle for PC.
>>102936353the more you buy, the more you save, anon
>>102936312
>>102936589OH NO NO NO NO INTEL BROS THIS WASN'T MEANT TO HAPPEN MLID WAS MEANT TO BE AN AMD SHILL NOT LIKE THIS
>>102936397Here you go, but I'm autistic so bullying won't work (and it's the opposite of what I asked for).
>>102936636if you're not playing the newest games at anything above 1080p the GPU is fine but you can get a 5600 for less than 100 nowadays and your system will be significantly (30% minimum) quicker
I'm not feeling so good, Mr Gelsinger...
>>102936646I don't play games, I don't even watch videos, all I do is read and shitpost.
>>102936691how many system rams do you have?
>>10293673016GB. I thought about getting an identical kit just for a small upgrade to drive the urge away but I don't know if the same kit will have the same part number as 6 years ago (and I don't like waste).
5 more hours my niggas
when are the next amd gpus comingi also heard that they arent aiming for high end this generation, whats considered "high end"? would they just not make a competitor to the 5080/5090, or would their strongest card try and compete with a 5060?
>>102936747yeah your system is fine for shitposting and light gaming, what you could always do is put your current system in a new case to refresh it.got an SSD?
>>102936758their strongest card is probably competing with the 5070
>>102936769apparently it's going for the 4070TiS in RT and 7900XT in raster. So I expect it'll be the 5070S because Nvidia won't give that much performance away
>>102936769Eh, Jensen is meeting them halfway by making the 5080 a turd.
>Blackwell supposedly being announced at CES>still not a single real photo leak of anything, cooler die pcb etcThis is highly irregular. No I don't care about the laptop die that was recently pictured.
Not my build, but I have a full sized PSU in a Fractal Node 304, the only way I can think of getting cables + my RTX 2080 GPU to fit, is to have 90 degree cables coming out of the PSU.Can I get them from Aliexpress? Any other cheap options to ship to Oztralia?
>>102937062The pin-out on the PSU side is (semi-)unique to each brand. There is no standard that all companies use on the PSU side unlike standard PCI-E power pin terminationsYou could every easily blow up your PSU or your parts if you just grabbed something generic off AliExYou want to get custom cables that account for the pin-out of your specific PSU or at least the brand if the brand shares the pin-out layout across all their PSUs
>>102937025Nvidia probably not released stuff to partners outside of dummy boards and specs (which we have) to control leaks.
>>102937101ah right... i may as well sell this case/power supply and get an alternative then? it would be cheaper that way
>Barrow Lake about to flop messilyThe 7800X3D is going to go up another $100 in price, isn't it?How did we end up in this cursed timeline?
>>1029371409800X3D to save to the day, remember to tell mommy Su that you love her!!!!
>>102936636>>102936691More than good enough. If you plan on upgrading (in a year or two) maybe it's best to get an entire new system, and use this one in the living room as a second-one.
Which will have the better motherboard deals? Arrowdozer or ZenDOA5?
>>102937543you can buy a motherboard for AM5 that will run anything for $130
>>102937543Both Z890 and X870/B670 are a scam, but for Zen 5 you can at least still buy a B650/X670 board at a somewhat less extortionate price.
the rx 580 was a good card and all, but its actually crazy how it had equivalent wattage to a fucking gtx 1080
I can't wait for tomorrowHopefully AL is solid upgrade from 3770k
>>102937668pretty sure anything new is a solid upgrade from a 3770K including the shitty AMD APUs that failed validation so were released as CPUshttps://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i7_3770k-vs-amd_ryzen_5_4500
>>102937668>unironically paying more for intel ultra housefire when zen 4 is cheaper and exists
Wait, intel ultra reviews are on same day as its product release?
>>102937736yes, normally this means a product is bad
RT basically isn't worth it yet
>>102937751>2018+7 of rtx>still no fully path traced titles as promised beyond the half life and quake mods>rest is still using hybrid rendering >still more work for developers
>>102937826I think unreal fucked up by allowing software lumen desu. as tim says in the video i think 2026 will finally be the year of RT
What's the current generation equivalent of my X470 motherboard I/O wise for AMD/Intel? The idea of having to downgrade due to the price gouging bothers me.
>>102937849b650
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-blackwell-gb203-gpu-allegedly-pictured-expected-to-power-the-rtx-5090-5080-laptop-seriesNVIDIA WONTHANK YOU NVIDIA
>>10293775190% of those game are trash
>>102937751>AMDunboxed says feature AMD is shit at is not worth it
>>102937935almost like RT is a meme
>>102937751ME:EE has some of the most (if not the most) performant RT and that is helped because 4A actually told people to use an RT capable gpu or fuck off.
>>102937955just admit you didn't watch the video>>102937983it's absolutely insane and i love it
>>102937975Nope, it is an essential feature and buying a gpu with sub-standard ray tracing support is like buying a car with 3 wheels.
even phone cpu/gpu put RT on themThis meme just gone to far
>>102937862so it's basically confirmed that the 5080 is a midrange chip in die size as well LMAO
>>102937985>it's absolutely insane and i love it
>>102937751yeah my experience with cp is its great, it transforms the image to be incredibly immersivealan wake2: looks great but 3080 is too weak to run it and the vanilla has baked lighting to ease the painWitcher 3: looks incredibly better than vanilla, shadow pop inportal rtx : looks neatoverall the amount of RT gaming I actually got out of my gpu was pretty minor. Then most people have even weaker gpu at rt than 3080. Maybe 5070 will bring salvation to the masses?
>>102937935More like 95%. There really aren't many triple-A titles released in the past 5 years that are worth playing.
>>102937990RT is not ready until we can do PT on the 70-series>>102937994RT is the future, it makes sense that they'd do it>>102938008kino>>102938019CP is a great example of how RT CAN look so much better, same as the others you listed. I'm expecting the 5090 to be the first proper RT ready card
>>102935011Why the FUCK do X870/X870E boards all have like, 4 SATA ports maximum? What the fuck is this regressive shit? I thought number must go up. Why isn't number going up in the one way I care about???
>>102938041Taichi has 6.
>>102938041buy an expansion card, they even make them for m.2
>>102938041this was already the case with x670. very few boards had more than 4.
>>102938041The stagflation will continue until morale improves.
>>102938041No-one has more than 4 hard drives in their desktop anymore. Build a NAS.
maybe in 2030 RT wont be meme
Anons, is there an M.2 docking station like this, that I can put inside the case? Atleasts 2 slots and around the size of 2 average smartphones stacked together
>>102938050So it does. I thought I looked closely at that one but I guess not. 6 is acceptable and fills my current and projected future use cases.The only ASRock board I've any experience with was flaky as fuck. Though, in later discovery that may have been the cases fault. Long story. That was an X370 Taichi as well and funnily enough it also had a higher number than typical SATA ports....10 of them (!) I hear ASRock makes a lot of server hardware, maybe this is part of that DNA? I know they've been around for years. Are they actually good? My impression is that they were not the greatest.I typically look at Gigabyte first but god I can't stand the Aorus branding and their software is fucking AIDS to use especially the fan curve shit.>>102938068I'm still on x370 so I haven't looked in a while. I'll probably be doing my once in a decade upgrade when the 9950X3D comes out. Lovely...>>102938083I WILL store terabytes of data locally with no backups and there is nothing you can do to stop me.
I was so close to picking a Scythe Fuma 3 but I decided to fall for the memes at the last second
Another day, another new batch of anons that fell for the nvidia vs amd meme. Pcbg is the gift that keeps giving.
>>102938187ASRock have a notable presence in the server world so your theory of them loving I/O might hold water.
>>102938107unfortunately this is pretty accurateby that point its possible that a console is out that can do significant RT, something like cp full path tracing at 1080p upscaled to 4keven mid range amd gpu might be able to handle games at 1440p with rt
>>102938198If only anons knew how to read they could see nvidia's massive known problems list.
>>102938139I guess you can just get an external one + an internal USB to external USB adapter, might run a tad hot being inside the case, but if they're in the path of some fans it might actually be better than outside.
>>102938139why not just get a PCIe adapter?
>>102938187>I WILL store terabytes of data locally with no backups and there is nothing you can do to stop me.You can get a 16 TB drive for a little over $200. How much more do you need?
>>102938220
>>102938083Actually if you even connect more than 2 SATA devices, secondary nvme slot drops to gen 3 speeds (in my mobo). Kind of irritating but I don't really need my BD drive plugged in, I never use it.
>>102938241Check for yourself - there are about 10 pages in the driver release notes just listing known issues.>https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/566.03/566.03-win11-win10-release-notes.pdf
>>102938237Mobo is an Itx
>>102938272oof
>>102938267lol
>>102938267And amd doesn't have known issues? Every software does anon. You're making fun of anons while doing the exact same thing I was making fun of in the first post.
>>102938249Fair, that does suck. Although it isn't like that speed makes much difference for normal use.
>>102938301>And amd doesn't have known issues?I never said that. The difference is AMD lists it upfront in your face on the driver download page rather than hiding it in a 40 page document most anons will never see as the download link is right at the bottom of the page where the drivers can be grabbed. Half of the myth of nvidia drivers being perfect/AMD drivers sucks comes from exposure to this information.
>>102938272m.2 sata adapters exist>>102938301I think the point is that nvidia shills act like any known issue for AMD is a big deal
>>102938006Are you a fucking retard? GP104 is midrange too, fuck off faggothttps://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-gp104.g793314 mm2
>>102936312>That 5080 die sizeKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKIT'S TOTALLY-ROTALLY GOING TO MATCH THE 4090!not.>>102938192Fuma 3 only makes sense if your motherboard & video card don't allow for a larger tower heatsink.
>>102938340what are you angry about retard? just because nvidia keeps gimping the xx80 cards since kepler by using midrange dies doesn't make it appropriate kek
>>102938321Anon, I don't care about bell tech illetrate retards. If anyone believes that, it's just natural selection at that point. That has nothing do to with me mocking people who suck their favourite corpo dick in these threads.
>>102938420>bellIgnore my phonefag autocorrect.
>>102938438>moe and phoneposterit's a shame you've got good opinions
>>102938324Thats it! Thank you anon, you saved me
NEWS:AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D launches November 7th, Box Art leaks, features 2nd Gen 3D V-Cache technology (Stronger & Faster Glue)>Alleged RTX 5080 Laptop GPU gets a pictured, BLACKEDwell GPUs almost fully bakedZOTAC launches GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER “VENOM: The Last Dance” Edition, Venom blackplate very cool!>Battlemage Xe2 appears in Intel Media Drivers, MLID coping and seething hardASUS ThunderboltEX 5: an add-in-card adding Thunderbolt 5 support, 3x DP 2.1 and 2x USB-C and a very stylish cover>Unlocked Intel Core Ultra 9 285K approaches 370W power draw during Cinebench test, We Didn't Start the Fire KS to launch soon
>>102938324>m.2 sata adapters existaren't they fucking ASS when it comes to transfer speeds
>>102938073Sata is the very definition of stagnation being stuck at sata3 for more than a decade
>>102938511>stronger and faster gluemade from the best mongolian horses
>>102938512Sata is ASS at transfer speeds, don't blame the adapter.
>>102938549yeah that's what I meant
>>102938590boomers need their sata ports
>>102938599Yes I do and I'm tired of pretending I don't. Fuck minimalism and fuck every box full of solid state everything with no soul. If I can still lift my PC it doesnt have enough storage.
>>102938647are you the ITX fag complaining about not having enough ports
whats a better idea if i plan on getting an AMD GPU>wait until november/december sales to get a cardor>wait until next-genim not poor, theres just 0 rush for me to get a card
>>102938668next gen unless you see the 7900XT at 600 or the XTX at 750
>>102938662are you retarded? You seem to assume he completely retarded, for some reason>>102938668There's just been a pricecut for AMD cards in US, but it hasn't carried over to EU yet. Whether that makes you less or more likely to buy is up to you
>>102938662No I'm this fag >>102938041complaining about not having enough sata ports.I have zero issues going eATX.
>>102938678whens the ETA for the new cards?
how the hell has /hsg/ died? Did enterprise schizos trigger the new anti-spam?
>>102938682>he completely retardedneed i remind you where we are >>102938684maybe look at threadripper if you got the dollar
>>102938511>AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D launches November 7th, Box Art leaks, features 2nd Gen 3D V-Cache technology (Stronger & Faster Glue)>Stronger & Faster Glue
>>102938647>If I can still lift my PC it doesnt have enough storage
>>102938647You DO still have an optical drive right?
>>102938345I don't know what my motherboard allows I'll just return this if it doesn't fit lol.
>>102938779No and I fucking hate that I don't. Thought I wouldn't miss it. Do. Using USB shit for now. I have a firmware hacked Pioneer Blu Ray HD capable drive waiting to go in the next build.
>>102938730>>102938647>check weight of hard drive>600-700gbro if you can't pick up AT LEAST 30kg off the ground you need to start doing some basic exercises. A fully built pc weighs about 23kg so you could slam in 10 additional hard drives and still have something easy to pick up
>>102938512Their biggest problem is they are delicate as fuck. M.2 PCBs aren't made to really plug things into them. You can snap them with a gentle tug.The Silverstone one is the only one worth getting.>>102938041The Chinese have you covered, although this is Z890, you can either have the 4th M.2 or an extra 4 sata ports for a total of 8There is so little excuse not to have 8 available other than MB vendor penny pinching
>>102938794>No You're no true scotman. Get the fuck out.
>>102938797>A fully built pc weighs about 23kgWhat the fuck is your case made of?
>>102938811Also includes a motherfucking POST Code Debug LED.
>>102938797what is "hyperbole to illustrate a point" ffs>>102938825lick that dust off your front panel you filthy heathen
>>102938842I was being lenient & picking a full tower filled with parts before someone said some dumb shit like "umm that's for a mid tower without other drives"
>>102938825>That cable in front of the mesh backgroundThis is the closest thing I've ever seen to aliasing IRL.
>>102938811>M.2 PCBs aren't made to really plug things into them. You can snap them with a gentle tug.are nvmes relatively sturdy? I need to travel with my nvme soon and I'm not sure careful I have to be to not break itWas thinking of just sandwiching it in some corrugated cardboard, placing it in the middle of my handbaggage (to try & help prevent bumps on the sides or whatever) & praying
>>102938861>why is there a photoshopped lightning cable>I didn't want people to think I didn't have a lightning cable
>>102938599Is there a reason to prefer a PCIe based vs. M.2 based SATA expansion or is it just a matter of whichever is cheaper at the time?
>>102938867They are sturdy from drops and bumps but just don't bend them
>>102938890I think I would prefer this style just because you can fit more ports, they're similarly priced, and they seem more sturdy to me since you are screwing them down on the expansion port.
>>102935418>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PtJVdH- Swap noctua with arctic p14/p12 max (5pack).- Idk if your RAM will work out of box. CL30 6000 might be the go-to.- Also, just get a different cooler, Thermal right ps120se or something along those lines. They are better and cheaper. You can maybe put better fans.- On the monies spent on noctua fans, just get a x870 motherboard instead. Asrock x870 Pro RS wifi is just so sweet and costs less (maybe the same price where you live). Its just a better deal.
one hundred and six nanosecondsintelsisters, it's actually over...
>>102937178I love you Mommy su.
>>102938938"mommy Su" is Jensen Huang in drag
>>102937849Asrock x870 Pro RS wifi. You literally can't get a better board with more IO for the price.
>>102938946>implying you wouldn't let her peg you
>>102938899Hmm I might but them in my travelcase in a sturdier box thenty anon
>>102938946SHE IS NOT!
>>102938890Get pcie based used hbas or raid cards. They are dime a dozen and are kickass.
>>102938915Sounds reasonable.
>>102936593Wait didn't the kopite guy say MLID's Nvidia prices were wrong? I don't know what to believe anymore.
>>102938999>Wait didn't the kopite guy say MLID's Nvidia prices were wrong?They won't even be finalized until a couple weeks before they're announced, of course they're wrong.
>>102938999he's just saying MLID is right on this occasion
my Crosshair VIII Dark Hero motherboard can only handle Gen4 SSD/NVME, would I see any benefits to buying a Gen5 NVME? or should I just stick with Gen4? Also, what is the best Gen4 SSD/NVME to get?
>>102938187>I WILL store terabytes of data locally with no backups and there is nothing you can do to stop me.Bruh, you are officially retarded. Just build a raid z1 with 20TB HDDs and you end up with 60TB. WTF do you do with it? Do you store so much 8k tentacle porn?
>>102939032there isn't much appreciable difference in real terms between top end gen 4 and gen 5 at this moment in time. It's the difference between 7.3GB/s and 12GB/s
https://x.com/pcfarrar/status/1848855868449710576/photo/1did /g/ already see this? what was the consensus about this?
>>102939057>https://x.com/pcfarrar/status/1848855868449710576/photo/1good perf, shame it's at 250W though
NH-D15 G2 LBC for AM5 or just the regular version?
>>102939032>Crosshairmore like asshair>Also, what is the best Gen4 SSD/NVME to get?I bought wd black sn850x. Its A tier I think. Check the LTT website. The meta is still gen4 because gen5 and gen4 have the same random read. For contiguous write, gen5 has some advantage. But who really needs that? Only file copying enthusiasts I guess.
>>102939068sorry i didn't finish before i went on auto-pilotthe perf is good for being on 6000CL30 as we know ARL scales much higher with 8000, not as high as expected for the power/cost vs the 14700k but it hopefully doesn't degrade.
>>102939081AI got me
>>102939025But how would I know how believable he is in general? I know he got the PS5 pro stuff way long ago but I'm really skeptical about his RDNA4 leaks since they seem way too optimistic.
>>102939032you wont notice a difference, the reason to upgrade to Gen 5 is if you want a larger main storage drive and even though your board doesn't support PCIE 5.0 it will run at the max speed it can at PCIE 4.0 because m.2 is backwards/forwards compatible as its just a PCIE connector.you can then move the drive to a new board that supports PCIE 5.0 when you next upgrade your platform.
I'm the retard from yesterday who wanted GPU and a new high refreshrate monitor even though I don't do gaymen. Run llama 3.1 for programming locally. IDK if this will be better than just getting a Chatgpt subscription. So, is 7900xtx good enough?
>>102939108>But how would I know how believable he is in general?He's not. He made some really wild claims about RDNA3, too. A 7950xt with two compute dies and better than 4090 performance, for instance.
>>102939108You don't, you wait for the products to come out and see how they stack up against his leaks.I think he has a source in AMD fairly high up the food chain hence his rampant defending of them, he does also have sources at Intel at various positions and I think his Nvidia sources are probably not that high up to get access to info like at AMD
>>102939126I would put money on it being a product in development but at almost 800W it was probably shuttered because of that and price
what's a nice upgrade from the 5 5600 cpu around like 200-300 dollarinos
>>1029391475700X3D
>>102937751what the actual fuck is this
>>1029391475700X3D is your final upgrade. alternatively consider 7500f/7600 and a B650m HDV/m.2 for a relatively inexpensive platform upgrade
>>102939057That's what, lower than a 7600 with a basic JEDEC memory config?
>>102939032I would stick with gen 4 nvme for now because gen 5 runs very hot and they're still figuring out best cooling methods with some goofy looking heatsinks. Go with Samsung 990 or SK Hynix P41. I guess a gen 5 won't run so hot at gen 4 speeds but there's really no reason to pay the extra premium right now for gen 5 if you can't use it, there will be cheaper and better gen 5 drives in the future to upgrade to.
Gelsinger must go.
>>102938935>please waitIT'S NEVER BEEN MORE OVER DOArrow Lake is FINISHED before it even started
Day 566 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.
Zen 1 RAM latency was, what 90ns? How did Intel manage to achieve this?
>>102939217It was 80-85 at 3200cl16
>>102939044>Just build a raid z1blah blah blah NO I need ALL RAW STORAGE NO PARITY NO BACKUPS
>>102939268based speedo retard
>>102939268Why are you acting retarded anon? I know you are not.
There was a ZFS thread earlier and it said you can't ever add a drive bigger than the ones you initially had. Windows Storage Spaces takes bigger drives way easier than that. There's no need to use anything else but windows server or even windows 10 as a server.
>>102939201I need AIDA for loonix.
why nobody using loonix for overlocking
>>102939120you should kill yourself, that'll be good enough
>>1029391475700x3d off aliexpress or build a 7600 system which will run you like 300-400 with the same performance increase
>>102939314>why nobody using an unstable os on an unstable pc
>>102939268This isn't me but based One extra 20tb hard drive chucked in with an upgrade cycle is much cheaper than a NAS, which I do plan to build just not yet. I literally need one more than 4 SATA ports then maybe 1 extra for expansion.
>>102939301You can in ZFS, but in a different vdev. Also, like the other retard wants no parity, no backups, you can just use lvm. Or, there are other solutions.
>>102939342My fedora is more stable than wingey. I use both for work. I just wish I could run the app on loonix, but wingey is need for testing I guess.
>>102939081
>>102939378>if the CPU has become permanently deformed from long-term use
>>102939378this is too much autism for a cooler
>>102938953>Asrock x870 Pro RS wifiLooks not too shabby for $260
>>102939389the absolute state of intel
I still don't get motherboard wifi. Are people really using desktop PCs on wifi?
>>102939177Thanks very much for that bro
CU9 285K reviews when?
>>102939423some do but i think it is more for bluetooth/intranet connection rather than actual internet stuff
>>102939413WTF? Where do you live? North Korea?
>>102939177>>I would stick with gen 4 nvme for now because gen 5 runs very hot and they're still figuring out best cooling methods with some goofy looking heatsinksWe can go goofier
>>102939439tomorrow around 25h from now I want to say
>>102939449That sucks I thought it was commonplace for reviews to drop before a product launches
>>102939456it is, normally companies do this when they aren't confident in their product
>>102939423If you live in a third world hellhole prone to internet service outages it's useful to have wifi to connect to your phone's hotspot for when it happens.
>>102939456Intel have called it shit but they know that won't stop the youtubers tearing it apart
>>102939087>LTT websiteSorry, I don't subscribe to fucking faggots, but, thanks for your personal recommendation, though. >>102939115>>102939054Good advice. Much appreciated.
>>102939486This is from their labs team and not their 80 iq monkes. https://linustechtips.com/topic/1092033-ssd-tier-list/
>>102939378I think I'll get standard and the offset mounts
>>102939508Only retarded, faggot ass zoomer queers watch and auctions to Linus Fag Tips. dick off with your homo links. I have a website too. https:/nofags.com You can't go there
>>102939508there's also the ssd autist and his marvelous spreadsheethttps://borecraft.com/
>>102939533Holy shit. 4chan AI profanity filters engaged
>>102939534My sn850x is still High end tier so that's cool. Why is kioxia not competing in prosumer?
>>102939534Also, this should be added to the OP.
>>102939475they'll treat it with kid gloves and say something like>eh its efficient but its a regression on a new socket, we're not sure who would buy this over AM5>>102939508the labs team is why Steve made the attack vid on LTT because they shit-talked the GN methodology.
>>102935011I don't like modern triple AAA slop and 1080/1440p is more than enough for me, is there any reason for me to get anything better than a 3060?
>>102939559Nothing stopping you from using their U.2/U.3 SSDs in your desktop
What the best SSD for pcie 3
>>102939632How though? Also, u.2s are no where to be found. I would have bought it even if it were 2x the price for m.2s, but that's not the case. We need Asrock to release a niche board again.
>>102939643>What the best SSD for pcie 3IDK, Crucial P3 plus? Why 3.0?
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/intel-amd-cpus-on-linux-impacted-by-newly-disclosed-spectre-bypass/When the fuck will this end?
>>102939683this is why x86s needs to happen soon
>>102939643Hynix p41 Gold 2tb
>>102939650EBay is the only real option99% of these SSDs aren't meant to be sold retail and the few that do exist are horribly overpriced.
>>102939664my motherboard only can "use" 3.0
>>102939706What do you mean anon?
>>102939683does arrow lake mitigate anything because it doesnt have hyper threading?
>>102939724power draw but it's been shown to be just as capable of drawing as much power
>>102939706x86s won't do shit to prevent vulnerabilities unless the spec prohibits speculative execution completely.
>>102939723google "x86S"
>>102939724Every CPU that matters has branch prediction. So, it might be possible in even the latest CPUs. Even if not, its only a matter of time before they find something. Even then, ME and PSP exists, so there is no opsec for the poors with cheap hardware.
>>102939683just disable branch prediction, for gayming you prob get better min fps
>>102939742Can't believe they didn't do it earlier. IDK if it'll result in any meaningful performance or power consumption.
>>102939796hopefully it will mean "lighter" CPUs because they aren't needing to keep 40 years of x86 compatibility
>>102939770I don't gayme and I want decent performance.
PSU questionIve been using a cv650 for 3 years now for a 5600g build. Im planning to get a gpu rx6700xt.How long is my psu's lifespan, is there a way to check its overall health or should I get a new one just to be safe
>>1029399023 years should be fine to continue use lull
>>102939914So do I wait till it dies or change it after how many years?
>https://overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel-core-ultra-200s-cpu-review/Arrow lake here to save us amirite
>>102939959Lower is better right? RIGHT!?
>>102939942min 5 upto 20 year
>>102939971Shintel sisters eating shit now.
>>102939971holy fuck this is so BAD
>>102939985it goes up 20? I guess if you use and not abuse the system unit. Thanks anon
>>102939987>>102939993>minimums
>>10293995910850k bros, it's our time
Lol its gone now.
What is the modern equivalent of HAF XB ?
Intelbros...I'm not feeling so good...
>>102939959>>102939971>>102940002>>102940004gonna bet a lot of this stuff is tester or windows error>intel is stupid, but not stupid enough to pour gas+ jetfuel on a fireI hope anyway
>>102940002its actually overa decade of amd stagnation will start soon
Stage I: Denial
>>102940024Something from silverstone for hot swap bays. CM doesn't want to give me what I want. Or, Node 304 or 804 or define 7xl because poors are not supposed to have hot swap. UUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
>>102939971>Zen 3 gaming performanceOH NO NO NO
>>102939959>>102939971>>102940002>>102940004Bulldozer moment
>>102940004the review is offline, did you get screengrabs of all of it?
>>102940002>tfw pat wasnt lying about amd being in the rearview mirror>they were just driving the opposite direction
>AMD sponsored review "leaks" and has nonsensical results
>>102940079NOOOO BUT THIS WAS MEANT TO MAKE INTEL COMPETITIVE AGAIN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The final mindbreak of intel shills is upon us.
>>1029400045800x3d and 7800x3d will go down as goated CPUs. Let's see if AMD can pull something out for 9800x3d. I think it'll be a little disappointing, similar performance with lower power consumption.
Wouldn't it be funnii if Qualcomm all of a sudden when risc-v? Its not going to happen, but imagine how retarded ARM has to be to sue their own customer.
>>102939444Poland
>>102940103I bet the benchmark map is pretty small for those chips to be so far ahead.
>>102940118>if Qualcomm all of a sudden when risc-vhave you seen the new RISC-V news?
>>102940002pretty sure you get less stutter using bulldozer
>>102940036At the very least they did not properly setup/update their 7950X3D bench, windows xbox overlay should be able to recognize factorio as a game and switch to single X3D CCD mode.>>102940059I mostly just want horizontal motherboard, bonus points for PSU below, but something like picrel in matx with actual airflow is fine too.
>>102940067They still won't give up their fabs. They need to be taken a notch down for them to pull a global foundries.
>>1029350115070 and 5080 with 24Gb modules, have hope
>>102940154Just buy any mATX? This is what my qube500 looks like, its sleeping. I don't think its the best case for airflow.
>>102940162>5070 and 5080 with 24Gb modules>have hope>hope>nvidia
One, nothing wrong with IntelTwo, nothing wrong with CoreThree, nothing wrong with UltraFour, nothing wrong with 370WFive, something's got to giveSeven, something's got to giveNine, something's got to give
is 64gb ram overkill? or is 32 sufficient? or is 48 perfect middleground? but its so odd number
>>102940149Nein, what does it say?
if qualcomm buy intel what happen to x86 ?
>>102939959>already downUse an archiver next time
>>102940189What use case anon?
>>102939147unless your gpu is like >4080 you dont need to ugprade at 1440p5700x3d is not great value for money in your case.If you do have a great gpu you want to look at am5 with some x3d cpu but that'll cost more.
>>102940189If you have to ask, 32 GB is probably more than adequate.
>>102940192https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S58xSWMJcfgRISC-V has made it's own version of ARMv8 as an example. very important for mass market adoption
>>102940198A legal clusterfuck qualcomm, AMD and the FTC will have to sort out.
>>102939959>>102939971>>102940002>>102940004oof, I want Intel to succeed but it is not looking good.
>>102940226It is a fake review, don't read into it.
>>102938935Lmao, budget smartphones get better DRAM latency.
>>102940198Not happening. Specially with the recent Qualcomm news.
>>102940226fuck what is this, i've waited so long to upgrade
>>102939959If the 9800X3D turns out to be good it will be the final nail in the coffin for Intel.
>>102940239>fake reviewpure copiumIntel is dead, long live Intel
>>102940254Upgrade to Zen 5
>>102940254Get AM5 and get processor upgrades for 5 to 10 years if you are not retarded.
Someone cached some of the review.>https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZrlhFW_PCg23XycpLTB_8BoMgQtLx8HA
https://videocardz.com/pixel/intel-core-ultra-285k-265k-and-245k-review-leaks-outRUH ROH RAGGY
>>102940268Next time use archive.is for leaks
>>102940241Chiplets were a mistake.
>>1029402549800x3d is coming out on 7 November anon
>these reviews are fakeyou are here>these benchmarks are cherrypicked>the reviewers were paid off by AMD>TSMC's process is just inferior>new microcode will fix this>Windows updates will fix this>gaming performance doesn't matter
>>102940271
>>102940239This you?
>>102940268>Ultra 9 beaten by a 13th Gen i5
>MLID says arrow lake might have fucked performance>/g/ denies this>OC3D shows fucked performance>/g/ denies this
>>102940268Why are Intels new CPUs grouped lower than previous generations? Did they fucking regress? If this is real, it's catastrophic.
>>102940143Might be default factoriobox preset
>>102940268Fucking yikesRocketlake and bulldozer wasn't even _this_ bad
>>102940298Anyone with half a brain can see it is a botched review but AMD marketers are all over it to doompost.
>>102940271>Zen 5 winning on efficiency and performance while using TSMC 4nm vs Intel TSMC 3nm CPUyikes
>>102940271>14900K still the kingare we pretending the 9950X doesn't exist?
>intel doesn't put on a good showing at all>cpus and boards get cheaperHonestly don't see this as a bad thing
>>102940348X3D is coming...
>>102940348We will pretend a whole lot more if we have to.
>>102940351Get ready to pay 800 bucks for the 9800X3D
>>102940351>boards get cheaperhahaha
>>102940384That's how it worksZ590 boards went on fire sale pretty early in its lifecycle
>>102940364If Factorio tards want too then let them>>102940384Boards are priced based on how much they can sucker out of you. If Intel doesn't have the paypig spotlight they very well can't overprice them. they'll try to but once people don't bite expect prices to be cut
anons, i desperately want new pc, what the fuck I buy if arrow lake ends up being fart. i don't really care about money, I just want it to last a long time
>>102940268>>102940271>These resultsIf confirmed today, Arrow Lake with its fucking expensive new socket (that isn't even confirmed to have any upgrade paths) may actually sell worse than Zen 5% and that would be quite an achievement.
Intelkeks on suicide watch
>>102940413buy AM5, come to team red
>>102940393Z690 also got some pretty decent discounts despite most if them being functionality identical to Z790
>>102940413Wait for 9000x3d benchmarks.
>>102940364nah thats the price for the 9950X3D
9999X3D with V-cache on both CCDs soon (MSRP: $1200).
>>102940423A socket change a year keeps the users in fear.
hmmm, did he just break NDA
>>102940364Russian scalpers/smugglers are already taking preorders for $600
>>102940423after 13/14 gen killing themselfonly diehard intel fan gonna buy this anyway
>>102940489So it seems >>102940432 is right - it isn't a legit review.
>>102940413I went from a 4690k -> 3600X -> 5800X3D. I haven't looked back since switching to AMD. Forget about Intel, they fucking blow for now. I haven't felt this amount of shame for a company since bulldozer.
>>102939081Regular plate is best for longevity (carrying it over to new builds).The others are too specialized.>>102939959>>102939971>>102940002>>102940004>>102940268I told you fruitcakes, NAH-rrow lake is a SKIP generation.
>>102940503I read through most of it before it got taken down, it was a full review commenting on intel being shit and the single core was the only beneficial
Why did they call it arrow lake?>because intel is drowning
>>1029404137800X3D
>>102940553Is it too late to make an Intel took an arrow (lake) to the knee joke in 2024?
migrate (new thread)>>102940588>>102940588>>102940588
>>102940315>>102940503>'They took the effort to present botched review benchmarks and hosted it on their website.'The. Cope. Kek.>>102940489This is even worse, DerBauer's claiming the Arrow Lake chips on OC3D reviews were getting more power, and thus more performance, than Intel specs.
>>102935629Nice AI post bro. I know how HDDs work, I was asking a specific question, I didn't expect the spanish inquisition.and the only hdds I got broken are either 10+ year units, or ones where I purposefully fucked with the firmware until they broke.>>102935774>hdds from Amazon, unknown brand, possibly refurbishedyeah, that's the best way to get crap drives.
>>102938953>Asrock x870 Pro RS>If M2_2 is occupied, PCIE2 will be disabled.>If SATA3_1 or SATA3_2 is occupied, M2_3 will downgrade to Gen3x2 mode.lollmao
>>102938890Some boards simply don't have enough PCIe slots nowadays.also some of those cheap cards like the one on your pic may come with severe limitations, such as not enough bandwidth to feed all drives, not supporting ASPM L1/L2, or simply not being reliable.At the very least you'd need to know what controller the card uses. As I recall ASMedia controllers are the most reliable/well supported.
>>102939301You can easily switch out drives in ZFS arrays, but you need to resilver for every drive one by one, so it would take a fucking week to switch out an array to a bigger one (and you can't use the extra space until all drives are switched). So at that rate you may as well build a new array and copy it over.
intel is so cooked, the new bulldozer
