>>102945004
Can I just order some enterprise grade server from somewhere?
How much could it be?

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Daily reminder that the best home server is a Windows gaming machine.

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How good is the idea of using an HP Prodesk 600 as a home server? Alternatively I have the option of a HP Elitedesk 800. Both are about 70€

The Prodesk has an i3 8100 and the Elitedesk an i5 6500

My goals are simple NAS with Jellyfin, Nextcloud and some other self hosting. No plans for vms and probably going to use TrueNAS.

My main concern is transcoding for Jellyfin and power consumption

Have also thought about building my own, however I don't see how I can get something better on a budget.

Advice greatly appreciated

What are some good ways of adding harddrives to a minipc?

>>102945459
https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-SATA3-0-NO-Riad-ASMedia-Compatible/dp/B0CDPMT27Z

>>102945353
Get whatever lets you add at least a 3.5" drive and a low profile 20W Quadro or dual-nic card (just in case you need these later, you never know)

>>102945611
>asmedia "compatible"
we're hitting levels of chinesium that shouldn't be possible

Does anyone here have Dell X-series switches, I wonder can you shut off lights in them?

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Aight this is pretty neat. Instead of using the stock chunky AC adapter, the Aoostar R1 can be powered directly off USB-C. Uses around 54W on boot and usually settles around 21W with 2x12TB HDDs installed. Currently running memtest so a bit higher power. Gonna install Proxmox after.

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Anything wrong with these cheap ass 2.5/10GbE switches?

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>>102947132
>NICGIGA
What the fuck did you just call me?
But really there's not much "wrong" with them other than the managed ones can have really basic interfaces and next to no documentation (pic related, my Sodola managed switch's interface).
Just like anything else budget, the ports could be flaky/die if the brand is iffy, but my Sodola so far has been a champ.

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/hsg/, I'm too retarded to figure out nginx. I'm trying to set it up as a reverse proxy on my home network. It properly proxies to my Jellyfin instance when I set it as the root / location, but not as its own /jellyfin/ location in the same server conf. Why

>buy ancient celeron shitbox appliance based on some recommendation i've stumbled upon in /g/ archives "bro pfsense runs smooth"
>actually slows down my 2.5 gigabit fiber, even on a 1g is slow
>turns out i completely misread "bro pfsense runs smooth on my 10/100 pipe"
Just my fuck my shit up, i've been troubleshooting for two hours for nothing.


Also
>please wait 900 seconds before posting
Fucmsksn

I'm outgrowing my fractal design r5, already have 12 drives in and can't add anymore.
Thinking about getting one of those hotswap bay front loading ones from supermicro you can find on ebay but it needs to be ATX compatible.
What should I be looking for to get ATX compatibility and hotswap bays? They all have random ass ID numbers and I can't tell the difference between some of them.

>>102945459
sell the minipc and buy a standard desktop case

dunno if you guys can help with this but i'm not sure what thread it belongs in. i figure there's some overlap here.

how do i touch a VPN from inside a VM? at my work they use globalprotect. i've got hyper-v (and i could get vmware or whatever else), but if i go with the external network (using my wifi adapter), it just bypasses the VPN. there's a "PANGP Virtual Ethernet Adapter" which i assume is palo alto networks globalprotect, but if i try and use this it disconnects my host machine from the VPN and does nothing. an internal network does nothing also.

is there a way to do this? can i make the VM funnel the traffic through the host? i don't have the setup information for globalprotect, so i can't just install it on the VM. and it's kind of a secondary issue, because what i really want to do is run an android APK on my work laptop (because i have a tablet that i also have to use for work).

I want to decommission my Linux server and host everything out of Windows but I have a few Docker containers to run. Docker for Windows and Docker for Linux within WSL were both such a headache that I ended up running my Linux server back up and running a handful of stuff on there but I feel stupid running two PCs. Does it make sense to run a Linux VM on my Windows box, and if so what free VM software is the best for this job?

>>102946549
alright nigga what's the link for the cable with the wattage display

Is raidz1 a bad idea to use with 4x12TB drives? How vulnerable would I be to a URE during a resilver? Would that fuck everything up?

>>102949653
SNAPRAID with 2 parity drives

>>102949234
look up "usb cable display" on aliexpress

>>102949687
If you can't answer the question, then don't try to answer it you worthless moron.

>>102949706
If you are worried about resilvering like many people are I'm providing you another option. Feel free to not use it. Don't lash out at random people on the internet because your life sucks dude, its not my fault.

>>102949792
Nobody asked for another option you worthless idiot.
If you can't answer the question, stop wasting peoples time.

>>102950242
I did answer your question see >>102949687

>>102950242
>>102949706
>posts bait question
>shits on every answer
>rinse repeat
Dont feed this mentally ill spammer. If you see a low effort insult just move along, it's the same schizo desperate for attention.

>>102945353
Which one has the better power supply? Usually the ProDesk models have the beefier PSU.

>>102945004
Post your racks

>>102950411
That isn't answering the question you stupid idiot. That's you being a smartass providing an alternative solution nobody asked for.

You don't even understand what this array is being used for, you're just a worthless smelly pissant with no clue. A complete moron.

>>102951150
Evidently you're still butthurt over losing the last argument. It's not my problem you're stupid.

Anyone who answers a zfs related question with "just use snapraid" is a literal retard. Full stop.

>>102949653
Running a RAID-Z1 array with four 12TB drives is potentially risky due to several factors, especially during a re-silvering process (which occurs when a drive is replaced or fails and the array needs to rebuild). Here are the main concerns:

1. Probability of Another Drive Failing During Re-Silvering
Large drive sizes (12TB in this case) increase the time it takes to rebuild the array because more data needs to be copied.
During the re-silvering process, all the other drives are heavily stressed as they need to read and write a large amount of data. This stress can increase the likelihood of another drive failure. If another drive fails during the re-silvering, the entire array will be lost in RAID-Z1, as RAID-Z1 can only tolerate the failure of a single drive.

2. Re-Silvering Time
With 12TB drives, re-silvering can take several hours or even days, depending on your system's performance and workload. The longer this process takes, the greater the chance of encountering a second drive failure.

3. Unrecoverable Read Errors (UREs)
During re-silvering, every sector of the remaining drives must be read to rebuild the lost data. With drives this large, the chances of encountering a URE increase significantly.
Typical hard drives have URE rates of around 1 in 10^14 bits (12.5TB), meaning the statistical likelihood of encountering a URE is high when rebuilding from large drives like 12TB. If a URE occurs during re-silvering, data loss is possible.

>>102951579
>You don't even understand what this array is being used for
You are adding redundancy to your storage of data, what you do with it doesn't matter. I think snapraid does a better job than raidz 1 and is less prone to issues which is your concern.
>>102951588
>Anyone who answers a zfs related question with "just use snapraid" is a literal retard. Full stop.
You dont have to use zfs if that isnt obvious to you. Unless you already have all of you drives full of data before looking into your data redundancy plan like a dumbass. You must have a humiliation fetish or something is wrong with you.

>>102951931
>You are adding redundancy to your storage of data, what you do with it doesn't matter. I think snapraid does a better job than raidz 1 and is less prone to issues which is your concern.
You are such a goddamn idiot it's hilarious.

One of the main reasons to use raidz1 or any kind of zfs configuration over your shitty little snapraid is performance. Of course your tiny brain did not make that consideration because all this shit is outside of your understanding.

Absolutely embarrassing that this thread has an idiot like you trying to give people advice. Imagine being so stupid you think raid is just about muh redundancy. Moron.

>>102951973
If anything raidz1 would be slower than Snapraid. Raid 1 is for redundancy raid 0 is for speed. Or do you think Snapraid is the same as Unraid? Either way seek help.

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>15 minutes trying to work out why i can ping a new server but can't reach any of the services on it
>wrong IP

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>>102952078
>If anything raidz1 would be slower than Snapraid.

>>102952161
I took the b8, you got me. Why you troll the home server thread will remain a mystery.

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>>102952142
put the juice box down now, anon

>>102945353
The ProDesk have worst internal layout compared to EliteDesk, you can only add 1 3.5" HDD vs 2 in the EliteDesk (You have to get rid of the CD/DVD unit), only two PCIe expansion slots (x1 and x16) compared to 4 in EliteDesks (Depends on the model, but usually is 2x1, 1x16 and 1x4 in x16 format or 3x1 and 1x16, check it before buying). I think some ProDesk models only have 2 slots of RAM compared to 4 in the EliteDesk but i need confirmation about this. Both systems have iGPUs capable enough for 1080p transcoding.

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>>102945125

>>102952240
You can screech bait all you like, it won't make you any less of a complete idiot.
You're so stupid you think dedicated parity on an HDD array is faster than a striped array. It's actually crazy how fuckin dumb you are bro.

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>guys GUYS! did you know snapraid is actually faster than zfs?!

>>102952257
I was thinking about adding harddrives externally in an enclosure or maybe just using the pc for parts and buying a new case. The CD drive for me is a plus because I still have a few dvds lying around that could be ripped/played through the server.

The models I have the offer for is the elitedesk 800 g3 or the prodesk 600 g4.

The question is if it would be cheaper to just build something from scratch but I have no experience putting together aprts for that

>>102951431
Apparantly powerdraw is around 10-15w without any harddrives
>>102945693
Is the gpu necessary? I mean it has integrated graphics. Also I am not planing on this being my permanent solution. Just something for the next few years of my student life until I get a job and have the money to build something myself

>>102952499
I think that Elite Desk can actually support 2 internal HDDs without removing the cd/dvd unit. Those are great little machines for what they are, you can plug in an Intel Arc 310 GPU, a 10Gbit nic and still have room for extra sata controllers if you want to mirror the OS drive, extra ethernet ports, NVMe storage, altho it will be slow, etc.

>>102952655
What will be slow and how slow are we talking here? I basically just need to be able to stream media and back up files. And even then I usually just back up docs and media over night.

For the time being I need wifi anyway since I have no access to an Ethernet connection. But I have been looking into either adapters ore bridging from a raspberry pi

Bought this https://www.ebay.nl/itm/285924000073
Arrived looking unused, IO shield still sealed. Can't try it yet as I don't have all the hardware.

>>102952299
I kneel

>>102952843
When i said slow i meant the extra nvme storage if you want to use the PCIe x1 slots for faster storage, sorry for the confusion. The whole system is plenty fast for your needs, both fulfill your hardware needs for the stated requirements so it's just a choice between the one you want/like the most.

It's just a trade off between the expandability options from the EliteDesk vs the better iGPU of the ProDesk's CPU. But the i3's iGPU is standard for the 7th Gen CPUs too, and going by HP official documentation they are compatible with the EliteDesk model you mentioned before.

>https://www.pocitace24.cz/user/documents/upload/manuals/hp%20elitedesk%20800%20g3%20sff%20specs.PDF

I'm guessing this is the machine you meant since HP does the MT, SFF uSFF fuckery and their model numbers repeats between completely different systems

Sorry for not clarifying what i meant by slow before.

Feel free to point me to a cheap as dirt case for my NAS (ATX).

>>102953125
That's very interesting board. I wonder what's specs of PCIe slots, since it doesn't have m.2 connector?

>>102955420
You'll have to look it up yourself as I don't care enough.

>>102953125
does that have no onboard lan? Just an ipmi port?

>>102955559
I can't know for sure yet as I can't run the board, I believe the one port is LAN.

>>102955420
Knowing AsRockRack, im going to bet two x4 from chipset and one x8 and a x16 from the CPU, same design layout as B550D4-4L but modified. Linux-hardware says it's Hetzner manufacturer, so im sure it's a OEM-only part

I love you, Home Server General anons.

what a shit thread

best thread ever

>>102955758
Love you too

Why the fuck do you guys hate broadcom nics so much?

>>102955261
https://www.ebay.com/itm/126736937636
https://www.ebay.com/itm/205039168633
https://www.ebay.com/itm/387100992834
https://www.ebay.com/itm/186738179574

>>102945004
Is there a hosting option that's laughably cheap besides ionos? They offer a year for 12€ euros if I understood it correctly.
Thanks in advance.

>>102956400
Wrong continent but that 2nd one seems alright.

>>102953626
I found both the elitedesk and the prodesk on ebay in my area for around 70€ now thinking about which one is the better fit

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>>102956479
you tried Lowendbox and Serverhunter?

Spotted a bunch of cheap drives. Seller is two blocks away from me.
>around 38k hours
>power on count: 80
Yay or nay?

Is there anything like this https://github.com/TNTwise/REAL-Video-Enhancer
but with a web GUI?

Would be nice if I could render some stuff on my idle headless server

>>102952328
Don't be mean you bastard bitch

I want to have a simple desktop that I can open up in a web browser and run normal programs in.
A long time ago I used RDP software to tunnel into another computer to do this, but what's the best way to do it these days with a VM?

Setup should look like:
Debian Host > VM < (something to tunnel into the VM < web browser.

>>102957197
>still coping
You actually thought a non-striped array could outperform a striped array.
Just swallow your pride, accept you're an idiot and move on. You are clearly out of your depth on this subject, idiot.

>>102958211
calm down Vikram

>>102958331
/hsg/ is constantly enshittified by this troll

>probably an outcast Redditor venting or something

>>102958331
Do you always cope by trying to call someone Indian when they expose you as a retard?

>>102958362
>y-you think a striped array can outperform a non-striped array?! you must be a troll!
Idiot.

>>102952078
>If anything raidz1 would be slower than Snapraid
Not the guy you're replying to, but you are retarded.

https://calomel.org/zfs_raid_speed_capacity.html
>3x 4TB, raidz1 (raid5), 7.5 TB, w=225MB/s , rw=56MB/s , r=619MB/s

You are not getting those speeds on spinning rust using snapraid.

>>102947132
I have the soloda version
It seems to work fine, have a 10G RJ45 module in one of the SFP slots and seems to be OK.

I do not like the cheap non-UL or ETL listed power supply included with it tho

>>102945089
Yes.
1200 EUR for a Dell PowerEdge R740, plus some 900 EUR extra for parts.

>>102958362
Yep, I mentioned it here >>102951150
He's been at it all day every day.
Easy to spot, says nothing useful just raging like a spastic child. Ignore and move on.

>>102945353
A loaded question. It's not a server, HP doesn't support or validate server operating systems on those desktop PCs.
They carry additional risks for the data environment, for not being validated for this use case.

>>102945459
Please explain, what does this question have to do with servers? Are you setting up a VDI, and why can't those thin clients have access to a network share for more storage space?

>>102948312
Jellyfin needs to support this.

>>102958593
They are supposed to become the network share

>>102951530
Blue board.

>>102958658
Post floppy dicks

>>102958652
Dont feed the trolls

>>102955779
/pcbg/ tourists. Many such cases. Sad.

>>102947132
>Anything wrong
Unmanaged. No switch stacking. No Cisco IOS or JunOS. No use cases for 2.5 GbE in a home environment (you don't have 2.5 GbE wireless APs).

>>102958652
XY problem / (You) problem then. They're not good for that.

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>>102958368
>not part of the discussion about arrays, anon
>it's all about (you) making this place >>102955779
>just pointing out that (you) give off the vibe of an schizoid antisocial shitposting troll with an inflated ego whose life must be so utterly devoid of meaningful human interaction that you feed your ego by shitting up this board with senseless arguments and name-calling
>or maybe you have boils on your taint
>IDK and IDC

>>102958364
Calm down Jamal

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why do rackmount servers typically come with 2x LAN ports, but only 1x management port?
Isn't redundancy/high availability for remote management kinda important too in enterprise environment?

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>>102958572
>support or validate
for a pro environment OFC, but anon doesn't need hardware validated for anything but Cheetle exposure.

>>102945353
>did you google the docs anon
>HP has good docs, RTFM and be enlightened
>whatever machine you can stuff drives into and leave on 24x7 that doesn't fry itself serving cat pictures over wifi when it gets left under a dorm bed and never dusted should work for anon is the both use case and validation all rolled into one
>spec the newer processor if one criteria drives the deciding factor as a weighting, else physical media count (e.g., RAID?) should be a weighting.
>don't forget to have fun

>keep us posted on the build, HPSFFanon >>102945353

>>102953125
Can you request some info from AsRock? It would be nice to know a thing or two, i'm interested in one

>>102959421
if that backdoored-oem-management port is in use it's monitored

>goes down
>warning.jpg on globohomoconsole
>dispatch local admin
>execute problemsolving.com
>hoomans fix muh AI machine
>ticket closed

>>102948312
just use caddy much simpler

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>>102951530
my goal rack (sleeper setup)

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>>102959906
i do like me some old pin-up pictures

>>102950242
>>102949706
>>102951588
>>102951973
you need treatment, i keep seeing your writing style in multiple of these threads. you are unwell. you cant be incompetent about subject matter and also express BPD on top. you have to pick one.

>>102959534
The validation is supposed to be there to help you have a stable server to rely on.

>>102960061

>think i >>102958795 wounded it
>or it's cloaca ran dry
>whateva.jpg

>>102960089
use cases are driven by the end user requirements and this use case, much like a shitty loli-infested JBOD "raid" used disks, is driven by a budget that must allow for beer and cheetos

>and i do actually hope the anon has fun building his /hsg/ from an /hp/

Up until now I have been using a previous build with zorin OS mostly just for jellyfin and as a samba server. Right now it just werks since my needs are not too comples but I want to know a couple of things
1 - are there any tangible benefits from switching to a "proper" os like truenas? 2 - can I use the storage drives I have without having to format them or something? when I added the drives it asked me if I wanted to encrypt them and said why not. I'm guessing that would cause problems while switching

>>102960645
Zorin OS is Linux so if you switch to a proper Linux OS like Debian , Ubuntu or Rocky you will have no problem mounting your old drives without formatting

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so I forgot I had a 512gb nvme and used a 1tb one as a truenas boot drive. Is there any way to reclaim the 1tb drive? Can I just clone it to the 512gb? I'm not sure what issues this could cause or how to procceed

>>102960879
Oh my bad, by proper os I meant switching from a general use distro like zorin to something specific for nas.

>>102960914
shrink the partition first, then it should work ok

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>>102945353
It would be a great choice. Id go for the 800 but get a intel cpu 7th gen or higher with the T designation for max power efficiency. This will allow hardware transcoding of x265 10bit effortlessly no matter the file size. Also get a vpro equipped one if possible. This will allow you to remote into your server at the hardware level. For HDDs get a good high speed external HDD bay, I like Orico brand but there are other good ones for cheaper. HP is great you can remote update your bios as well and since its business grade computers they still make up to date bios for older models.

>>102961556
>Also get a vpro equipped one if possible. This will allow you to remote into your server at the hardware level
Not him but what can one use for achieving this? Is mesh commander still a thing?

>>102961817
The guy who made it works for Microsoft now so there's not a lot of new progress but its still works well.

>>102961922
Alright gonna test it soon

>>102957038
How cheap.
Drives will generally last 70k-100k hours, so those are halfway to dead.

>>102948312
Use nginx proxy manager. It's practically a retard proof way to reverse proxy

>>102962532
$60 for 4x4TB
They are sata.
Are SAS drives more resilient? Sounds dumb but I remember reading that somewhere.

I want to gouge out the eyes of everyone that recommended proxmox for a simple media server + seedbox. This shit is so fucking overcomplicated and unnecessary. I'll give Truenas a whirl but if that's also a mess then I'll just go back to headless debian.

>>102962860
I'd personally get a 12TB Helium for $78

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074JJ2LDH

>>102958795
You can cry all you like, you're still retarded at the end of the day.

>>102960061
You can project your insecurities all you like, it won't make you any less of an idiot.

>>102958553
Hey idiot, next time don't be stupid enough to suggest something as idiotic as "uhh just use snapraid it's faster than zfs".

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>>102961556
>with the T designation for max power efficiency
oh my god, another literal retard. TDP doesn't measure actual power draw you dumbshit.

>>102963060
I didn't recommend Proxmox but it's not that difficult once you understand LXC containers and network bridges. A brainlet like you could probably get by with the helper scripts.

TrueNAS is a meme, and it would be stupid to run a media server from it.

If you were already using headless debian, then why were you looking to switch in the first place? It is more than enough for a "simple media server".

>>102951973
>performance
zfs isn't about performance. it's focus is on integrity and the cost of performance. this has always been the case. nobody would ever recommend or mention zfs as the choice for performance.
that doesn't mean snapraid is more performant. anybody implying that is retarded.
but ya all need to just stop now.

>>102960089
It's meaningless, as you should know

>>102963713
No it doesn't and yet... T chips tend to consume less power

Imagine that

>>102964887
The conversation stemmed from this question being asked >>102949653
To which a retard replied with >>102949687 and proceeded to claim raidz1 is slower than snapraid >>102952078

Nobody said performance is the main reason to use zfs.

>>102964925
They don't consume less power you retard, they are just locked to a lower TDP.
A non-T chip is more than capable of the same lower power draw if configured as such.

>>102964925
The poster you're responding to is a troll, hes just trying to shit up the thread not make any kind of real point. Try to not respond to him.
>TDP stands for Thermal Design Power, in watts, and refers to the power consumption under the maximum theoretical load. Power consumption is less than TDP under lower loads. The TDP is the maximum power that one should be designing the system for. This ensures operation to published specs under the maximum theoretical workload.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000055611/processors.html#:~:text=TDP%20stands%20for%20Thermal%20Design,under%20the%20maximum%20theoretical%20load.

>>102965004
>still crying troll
Still an embarrassing, utterly worthless idiot.
You lost the argument champ. Get over it, nobody cares about your garbage advice.

>>102965004
notice how you're not actually addressing what the T in a T-series processor actually does. you don't actually know yourself.

>>102961556
How have you connected the harddrives to the pc? Does it have enought headers or did you get it another way

>>102961556
>get a intel cpu 7th gen or higher with the T designation for max power efficiency
You can't be serious. Lower TDP does not equal better power efficiency! It means lower thermal output. We do not live in a reality where datacenters would use such 65W TDP CPUs, no, they use densely configured servers with high TDPs to do the work faster at 70%+ load with less energy and less floor/rack space.

Read this: https://static.xtremeownage.com/blog/2024/balancing-power-consumption-and-cost-the-true-price-of-efficiency/

7th gen Core is already EOSL and e-waste too, and it's not a server class CPU, no support for server operating systems such as Windows Server or VMware ESXi.

How old HW could you reasonably use for a NAS if you want decent power consumption? Preferrably under 15 W. Nothing fancy, just four SATA 3 disks. I'll just use it as a pure NAS, no media processing or anything. Intel gen 5? Gen 9? Gen 3? Or do I simply go for lowest TDP?

>>102965194
T stands for low power, they're chips meant to work at the sweet spot between power draw and performance. They heat up less because they take less power and the reason why they take less power is because the clocks are tweaked down so it runs stable at lower voltages, just compare any -T chip to their non-T counterparts and you'll see the clock drops. Many datacenters around the word tweaks their systems in such a way, they'd rather lose 5-10% performance if the power draw can be reduced by 20-40%.

In essence, they're slower CPUs for a lower power draw and heat. Not "power efficient", just low power usage. At idle they can perfectly draw the same power from the wall as a non-T CPU, but under load they'll perform worst because they're limited to a lower voltage and TDP. If you have an ultra SFF system as the anon who started this uses, you want a -T CPU because the cooling solutions of those ultra small computers can't handle high TDPs, they're not rated for it and they can't handle high power draws the same way a desktop system can do.

>>102966657
Intel 4th and 6th Gen are the kings of low power draw at idle, but i'm sure you can get a N100 system that performs pretty much like those gens with 4 SATA ports for the mentioned HDDs. If you tweak it a bit with powertop you can reach those 10-15w power draw

>>102956489
If i had to do the choice i´d go with the EliteDesk. 2x 3.5" HDDs are better then 2 external HDDs anyway, you can mirror your OS drives aswell and still have some room for future upgrades, but ultimately it's up to you which one you want.

>>102966702
You are such a moron it's funny.
Again, they are exactly the same as non-T except locked into low-TDP. The EXACT same thing can be achieved with a non-T you stupid idiot. There is no reason to specifically identify a mini PC with a T over a non T.

>>102963687
>>102963703
>>102963707
>>102965188
>>102966998
Good morning Vikram sir calm down sir

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>>102966998
It's more funny to see people outing themselves as morons while they think they are smarter then everyone else. Of course you can similar results with a non-T CPU but the -T CPUs exist for a single reason: automate the process. The average user don't know how to do shit with a computer and you expect them to understand what downclocking is? You know most OEM systems don't allow any CPU clock tweaks right? That's why -T CPUs exists. To deliver a standardized option that works everywhere and for everyone. both Intel and AMD locks now the TDP with an option in the bios but i dare you to find that option in a 6-7th Gen system because you won't find it. It wasn't an industry standard as it is now. That's why -T CPUs exist. To get something that will work OOTB with little to no tweaks required.

See pic rel and tell me they are the same. They're not. They're slower for the sole reason of drawing less power, becuase you know that higher clocks usually means higher power draw. Right?

>>102966773
Are you saying 4th/6th are lower power than more modern stuff?

>>102962642
seconding this rec, it's braindead simple to setup, just follow the docker compose instructions and then set everything up in the gui

>>102967249
No, what i mean is at idle they're very efficient but there's modern options that are also very good too, the i3 12100 and N100 comes to mind. If you want to look for a very low idle power draw system you'll have to go down the rabbit hole of power usage optimization. A quick suggestion is to find an SoC/i3/Celeron and find idle power draw results, but most sites don't do this since not a lot of people cares about it I think the Ryzen 4000 and 5000 are also pretty good, but afaik AMD idle power draw is worst then Intel.

>>102966657
>How old HW could you reasonably use for a NAS if you want decent power consumption? Preferrably under 15 W
if you only care about NAS function and watts the obvious answer would be itx embedded
something like this
https://www.fanlesstech.com/2018/02/asrock-j4105-itx-review.html
avoid stuff like J1900, they're too old and don't support HEVC encoding/transcoding
look for N3150, J3160, J3455, j4105, j5005, all the way to the fancy $2k 16core atom boards

>>102951718
Ridiculous. A few hours of reading and writing doesn't kill HDDs. They can do that all day.

>>102967240
not him but you don't need to "downclock" a non-T CPU in the BIOS. Enabling power saving governor works just fine.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand. There is nothing special about T-series chips.

>>102966773
>>102967394
Thanks, I'll look into those!

How to run a power-efficient homeserver:

1. Intel CPU with iGPU. Ignore the dumbass trying to shill T-series chips, makes no difference.
2. Go for either a mini-ITX built or an SFF pre-built with an x16 PCIe slot. Ignore miniPCs because:
3. Buy a quad-NIC and install it into the PCIe slot and use it to virtualize your router. This saves you watts from running a separate external router while having far better security than whatever ISP-provided shitrouter you're currently using. Ignore larpers screeching about muh circular dependency, it's fine for a homeserver.
4. Install powertop and run

powertop --auto-tune

in the terminal. Make sure you don't have any JMB or ASM controllers with storage connected.
5. In the BIOS, enable ASPM and all C-states, disable turbo, audio, and RGB

There, you now have a perfectly functional homeserver that draws 8-15 watts idle.

Additional notes:
-if you insist on using AMD, at least get an APU.
-if you're building with a mini-ITX motherboard, make sure the power supply is either a Corsair RM550x (2021), a BeQuiet Pure Power 11 FM 550W or a Be Quiet 12M

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>>102945004
>Faggots house burns down
>his first thought is oh no my hard drives
Holy shit pathetic there are so many more important things

>>102967823
>15TB over a decade
>calling himself a data hoarder
I filled a 16TB drive within a month of setting up my plex server, what's the big deal?

I've been struggling to get my PBS server's web GUI to work. I think it might be something I fucked up with my networking setup.

But I'm looking at PVE for reference and I notice it make a linux VLAN tied to what I think is a virtual bridge and that there is no lease on my DNS for it.

I'm used to making everything have a static DHCP assignment, but both PBS and PVE seem to arrange things via static IP. I look at the ARP table and I can see PVE but not PBS.

They are both behind a VLAN. Maybe I need to make sure the PBS data is coming out pre-tagged? I'm not sure how to continue troubleshooting this.

Planning to set up a NAS in the near future using some spare hardware I've got lying around, just trying to decide on storage drives to get started with. I want to probably look at a RAID 5 pool with just 3 drives to start with, and then I'll likely add more in the future as needed. Storage would be pretty much just media files for plex that I don't care that much about being ultra safe with redundancy and shit, since they're easy to reacquire in the event of a disaster. I see I can find 12TB Seagate Ironwolf or exos drives for around $100 a pop right now, is there a better option for price/TB in a semi-reliable drive at the moment?

>>102967688
Shitty advice there too. A hardware firewall appliance with an ASIC will draw less power and will be performant, and has more support than whatever DIY abomination you're doing here.
You cannot replace PON routers due to transreceiver compatibility or 802.1X if used by the ISP.
Use the best tool for the job, and avoid this DIY non-sense.

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How do I achieve the lowest watt/TiB possible with at minimum enough performance to saturate a 1g link?
Say for around 6-10TiB with full redundancy.

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>>102967389
>i3 12100 and N100 comes to mind
i do agree with you but those are bad examples of modern platforms as reliable low power NAS like that anon wanted
the reason is anything past intel 11th gen has either retarded default turbo boost modes making them spike up in watts and temperature (12100) or just dodgy SoC all together (N100)

for now the only reliable N100 options are from reputable brands like an Asrock itx board (even that is also far from advertised, see pic related - two random opinions on the Asrock arriving at the same conclusion)

otherwise N100 is a chinesium crapshoot mixed with an amateur attempt at something resembling a bios (which is a crapshoot within a crapshoot, plenty of cases where the noname N100 SoC just ignores some useful bios options, for example hardlocked out of booting from usb)

>>102967249
I could nigga-rig a Haswell\Skylake (T or not) cpu to any piece of shit psu (or even pico) and i know for a fact it would work just fine (well documented power consumption by me at the wall and backed up by 9000 3rd party reviews if you look it up) but i wouldn't dare do that with say a 12100 or a 13500 for reason mentioned above.

Holy shit, /g/ has a Homestead General too? based

>>102967859
>what's the big deal?
Probably cp

>>102967489
>There is nothing special about T-series chips.
Less heat less power less noise for 24/7 usage.
You could use a T cpu in your desktop case with just a medium sized fanless heatsink. I did this with a 212 Evo heatsink myself for a zero noise box under my desk for fucking around with Home Assistant and a couple of IP cams. A non-T would just overheat and throttle down quick.

Also you could run a 1U server for that purpose I couldnt care less, just pointing out another way to do it.

Are HP Z* workstation mobos custom enough to not fit in any consumer grade case? Found a decent one with an E5-2630, 32 GB ECC RAM + other stuff priced at $95 that would do, except I need a few more HDDs than the case can fit.

>>102969001
HP Z whatever boards come in different flavors, which one specifically?

>most of them do not have "standard" power supplies or backplate.

>>102969102
Z620. I couldn't find any proper specs when I googled, hence why I suspect it being custom

>>most of them do not have "standard" power supplies or backplate
Ah, didn't realize that.

>>102967688
>a Corsair RM550x (2021), a BeQuiet Pure Power 11 FM 550W or a Be Quiet 12M
complete and utter ass pull, there are plenty more options
>run powertop --auto-tune in the terminal
1. its important to point out you need this at every boot, either through rc.local or whatever depending on your distro. you should also be aware it instantly puts any usb peripherals and such to sleep immediately and you should whitelist whatever controllers you need with a [echo 'on'] follow-up command. which STILL has its quirks and filters most noobs into giving up powertop completely defeating the whole low power purpose.
2. 'just virtualize your router bro' is an awful advice especially for reasons mentioned here >>102968045
3. 'saves you watts from running a separate external router' makes no sense, you just made this up
4. you obviously never did any of this, whole post reads like an angry chatGPT parody.

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>>102969001
>Found a decent one with an E5-2630, 32 GB ECC RAM + other stuff priced at $95
I would get a whole Z420 barebone workstation with similar specs for +50~ bucks to save all the headaches
You could fit 3 drives + 3 more in the 5.25 slots

>>102969168
>>102969281

with a 620 or any machine really you can get an IcyDock and fit a bunch of 2.5" SSD drives into the external drive bays but IcyDock fancy stuff is a lot of money to spend on an old crapcan. You can also get generic 5 1/4" bay adapters that don't have hot-swap and stuff too, doesn't have to be IcyDock stuff.

620 service manual: https://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c04205252.pdf

IcyDock cheap: https://global.icydock.com/product_81.html

IcyDock for big budget: https://www.icydock.com/storage_buying_guide/hp_workstations/HP_Z620_Workstation_storage_buying_guide.pdf

>>102969281
They don't grow on trees where I live unfortunately. Then again, I'm not in a rush to buy anything yet so I will keep my eyes open.

>>102969294
Huh, those were nifty.

>>102969358
>nifty
plenty of generic versions out there too, just using IcyDock as an example.

Why does NOVAplayer keeps forgetting the database on smb share and I have to "rescan" it everytime I open the player?
Does plex even pick up on smb shares?

>>102968426
chinese gay man here, what's a homestead?

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>>102960004
I almost snatched something like this from a facebook boomer for 50$ but as I got to his garage his son called him on speaker and told him not to give it away

>>102968045
>A hardware firewall appliance with an ASIC will draw less power and will be performant, and has more support than whatever DIY abomination you're doing here.
You are a complete and utter idiot. No appliance is going to draw more power than a single NIC you laughable little retard.
The whole point of virtualizing a router is running a homeserver and a router as one, which objectively saves power.

>>102945004
Idk where to ask this but how do we unfuck the absolutely outdated wiki

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>>102969188
>complete and utter ass pull, there are plenty more options
Spoken like a true idiot with absolutely no clue what you're talking about. There is a very good reason for why those PSUs were named specifically but I'm not going to spoonfeed a literal shitbrained mongoloid like you.
>'just virtualize your router bro' is an awful advice especially for reasons mentioned here
Not an argument, idiot.
Virtualizing your router is perfectly fine in a home environment on hardware that is on 24/7. You cannot argue this, especially being as stupid as you are.
>3. 'saves you watts from running a separate external router' makes no sense, you just made this up
Idiot.
>you obviously never did any of this
Whoa you're an even bigger idiot than I thought. Pic related.

Continue being a down-syndrome imbecile at your leisure. You will always be a laughable moron and you are not qualified to give anyone advice.

>>102968828
>Less heat less power less noise for 24/7 usage.
I like how you just keep doubling down on your stupidity.
No matter how many times people explain it to you, your thick head just cannot grasp the notion that T-series processors just enforce a TDP limit, which can be easily achieved from within the OS on a non-T processor.

It's actually crazy how dumb you are.

>>102969960
didn't realize the retarded OP brought it back. I'll remove it next time I make a thread.
I think he keeps bringing it back because he wrote most of it, and gets offended every time people mock it.

>>102970018
I think it's a nice idea but 4chan wikis were always dogshit. Would be a fun project to author an online handbook/textbook website for instructionals on home tech shit. Unless that already exists...

Wait, CS professors do that for money

>>102969948
>>102969989
>>102967688
>>102966998
>>102970001
>ditching a 5W router objectively saves power
>a T cpu is objectively the same as a non-T cpu

The duality of south asian hardware knowledge.

>>102970092
Crazy you're still desperately digging your heels on your laughable attempts to claim there's a significant difference in power draw between T and non-T. The whole homelab community across the internet regularly lectures retards like yourself for peddling this nonsense but you just refuse to accept it. Typical pea-brain.

>>102958721
very presumptuous of you to assume he has no 2.5gb wireless aps. because the unifi wifi 7 access points have a 2.5gb uplink.
although this guy is clearly a poorfag so i guess you're assumption is correct lmao

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>>102970259
I fucking hate the state of nbase-t and it's only getting worse

>>102968001
nerd

>>102970001
>>102969989
>>102969948
are you reporting people in this thread for making fun of you?

>>102969833
kek those boat anchors are LOUD

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>>102970531
seems it's the same megalomaniac sociopath anon as got butthurt >>102958795 and has just changed topics to shit on with juvenile namecalling and stuff. I'm assuming they are shut in somewhere and having some sort of tendie-based mental crisis from having too many Wikipedia tabs open.

>really makes the thread shitty for anyone that needs help with practical knowledge

>>102970531
NTA but how would you know hes reporting people in the thread?

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>>102970001
>which can be easily achieved from within the OS on a non-T processor

Only way to pull this stunt is capping the frequency at some stupid low preset and play whac-a-mole in bios disabling cores lowering voltages and iGPU stats until you get a complete turd with the equivalent behavioral tdp of 35W (similar to T cpu) but way worse irl performance than T cpu. Happens every time, I tried, you obviously never did.
Congrats, you created a down syndrome T cpu which might randomly freeze crash restart or best case scenario turned into a subpar modern day Celeron.

T cpu brings lots of pre-tweaks fine tuned which EVEN IF YOU ATTEMPT TO CHANGE it does NOT affect the cpu behavior, changing most of them either does nothing or they simply reverse immediately to failsafe hardcoded values according to T or non-T specs.

Either you get an actual "tdp down" switch in bios (which most intel consumer boards dont and if they do barely works as it should like some ancient Braswell boards) or there is nothing you can magically do to properly transition from T to non-T in a way where the end product isn't hot garbage compared to the actual thing measuring relevant workload parameters, temps, power usage.
Do you even know how stuff like latency or critical path differs in practice between 12700 vs 12700T vs your undervolted "easily achieved" pseudo capped 12700?

My experience > your GPT regurgitation, ad hominem, appeal to authority, and other debate tactics partial to children who discovered 4chan last year.

>>102970120
>>102970018
>>102970001
>>102969989
>>102969948
>T cpu is just like a nonT cpu basically the same
>well actually almost the same just different enforced tdp
>well also different base frequencies and so on but in the OS if you change this and that you can almost get them even

>you objectively get powersavings with a virtualized router, because a vm is free takes zero resources and runs on nothing
>well, actually if you compare 1(one) physical nic with your ISP router, but wait if you compare 1(one) physical nic to
>actually, wait, let me move the goal posts again, actually according to the international homelab community in my head, actually

nobody cares nobody likes you here
seek help, take your meds, stop spamming, touch grass.

>>102970018
>I'll remove it next time I make a thread.
nobody asked you to remove it. we only asked you to jump off the nearest building because you are shitting up this thread.
what part of that dont you understand and why are you desperately reporting every reply to your posts?

sir i did not "violate United States law" by calling you out. sir do not redeem the report button.

Is unraid still the go to for low cost backup solutions? Have a windows server I need to back up. Was planning on using unraid and putting veeam on it. Looking for low cost/preferably free software that's not a total pain to set up and get running

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>>102945004
I am going to build a rig with a 1600w PSU, will this battery backup reliably deliver clean power when running the PSU at 100% load without faltering?

>>102967890
Anyone remember their PBS install hardships? Or might know what I'm doing wrong?

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Is this thing worth the money or is it better to build my own?
I want a NAS + Proxmox combo machine
https://aoostar.com/products/aoostar-wtr-pro-4-bay-90t-storage-amd-ryzen-7-5825u-nas-mini-pc-support-2-5-3-5-hdd-%E5%A4%8D%E5%88%B6

>>102972576
>or is it better to build my own?
unless you're literally too retarded to fit components together then the answer to this is always yes

>>102970971
>>102970913
got a warning for a post i only made to him using an image ive never been warned for using. he's indian, i can tell you that much for sure.

>>102972299
probably yes

don't forget to check battery replacement costs, the battery is a wear item.

>long enough to save and shutdown at least
>but really you have to figure out the total load that it will have on it then calculate the estimated runtime according to manufacturers specs for the unit
>can't know the load until you connect the load to something that can measure and report it like a good UPS or an ammeter

>that feeling when you discover a simple solution to something that's been a nasty issue
All my hard disks in the zpool getting cksum issues and REEEing at me for several days and all I had to do was push down on the PCIe SATA card to seat it a little bit better.

>>102972848
I'm actually not that worried about runtime, this rural power grid is not reliable and the wiring in this house is very old. this unit is to ensure that clean sine waves are delivered at all times to my precious

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>>102972798
psychopathy seems to run deep in it's arrogant and most likely sexually frustrated brain

>maybe it's pissed that i fished one out of it's pond

>my thanks to the gods of technology for a career in IT
>lovely Brahman waifu jumped across the ocean
>and i was there to catch her

>kek'd

>>102972949
i'm with you, have multiple line-interactive APC UPSs, one of them is at least 15 years old now. i just replace the battery when it's called for and it keeps soldiering on.

>look for online rag reviews of the manufacturer you are looking at before you buy

>>102972798
also i'm >>102972980 gonna need that img for the sake of posterity

>arigatōgozaimasu sanepostinganon

>>102972857
>PCIe SATA card
which model is that

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>>102972594
Not necessarily. The WTR Pro and many other devices have some nice customizations that are not possible with standard PC cases & components.

>>102973252
This guy right here. There's a ton of these sorts of things on Amazon for roughly the same price (and several that look like literally the same model but provided by different companies).
They go all the way up to several dozen ports, but do be sure to read the bandwidth documentation so you don't choke your disks.

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picrel, I set up a debian vm inside truenas, lspci in the guest shows me the 1050Ti dGPU, nvidia-detect too etc. but I can't for the love of god get HDMI out. I have monitor plugged into the card's HDMI out but it's not detected in the display settings.

Any suggestions, /g/ood friends? Ask for any extra details needed

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>>102973287
Forgot my pic, fuck

>>102973261
OSHA does not approve of using an open chassis in areas prone to Cheetle exposure or tentacle porn hentai fap session spooge splatter.

>at least put it in a stylish ikea box or something, the screws are showing
>lewd

>>102973292
did you start at the metal?

>unplug every.damn.thing.from.power
>initialize image chain in the following order
>apply power to display
>apply power to KVM if present
>apply power to external drives if present
>apply power to your /hsg/box
>power up the teledildonics unit

like that?

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>>102973365
I don't get what that would do that a reboot wouldn't

>>102973383
does the monitor display anything at all during boot during or after POST, are you running the VM headless or is the console at the device itself?

>>102973413
ok so the monitor doesn't display anything but it does wake during VM boot briefly, black display for 3 sec then throws a "no signal". I'm not sure what you mean by VM running headless, I access it via XRDP, though I can do SPICE also. The picture in the first post is from a SPICE virtual display

>>102973431
you are "headless" if you don't use keyboard/mouse/monitor (the "console") on the host box (e.g., i also only remote in)

you will need a /truenas/fag who has succeeded in passing video through to the host to randomly pop in here

>now i want to hook up a monitor to my /hsg/ and see if i can make that pass video to ...
>no, must not succumb to the temptations of
>curiosity
>arrrggh

>>102973503
ah I get it, the TrueNAS is host is running headless indeed

my goal is to pass the dGPU to the VM so it can output to a TV (local game streaming via Steam Link)

>>102973292
Based LXDE chad

Been looking for a good replacement for my nearing decade old 5 bay synology nas but their current line of stuff is terrible. Actually, just about everything looks terrible. Do I literally have to pick some random chink manufacturer and hope for the best now?

>>102973778
>synology
you want to stick with 5 bays or grow bigger? what about their stuff is the concern?

>at least they aren't rando /csg/ as you mention

>>102973807
My issue mainly is they still seem to use gigabit Ethernet in a lot of their consumer devices. There are also issues with using your own SSDs and I think HDDs too.
Also bit of a pet peeve I’ve noticed; if you turn on power saving for the HDDs it almost always takes a short while to log back into the web interface since there’s no dedicated internal storage for running DSM on.
Basically I need more bays and faster networking.

>>102973960
maybe build your own if going bigger, you can get a sleek ATX with lots of front bays and go to town with hot-swap and all that jazz or simplify and just make an ominous looming tower of cat pictures

>you're in the right place, there are many unhinged anons here storing "stuff"
>post your budget and desired basic specs and they will spew forth

Turned my old dust collecting Thinkpad X230 into a media server recently. It has 2TB of storage from an external HDD enclosure. I am considering buying an additional multiple bay enclosure in the coming months, when the current HDD fills up. Does anyone have any recs for this? Im just going to get used refurbished hdd's from ebay. But what usb 3.0 enclosures would you recommend, or what are the go to brands for this? I also might setup NextCloud eventually but can't be bothered right now.

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>>102945004
New Proxmox user here needing help... I'm thinking about getting a VM for docker with a couple containers, now how can I make port forward of qBittorrent on my pfSense box from a VM? Should I forward the proxmox IP or the VM IP? Sorry, it's my first experience.

>>102973960
>since there’s no dedicated internal storage for running DSM on
fucking hell, really? they couldnt spare a $6 emmc at least

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which one of these? also does anyone know when serverpartdeals gets new stock? i don't want to buy from amazon

>>102974445
I guess they figure might as well make use of all the drives in the system rather than having a single point of failure emmc chip. Although it does seem a bit ridiculous on their units with lots of bays.

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/hsg/, I've been thinking about getting one of those minipc's as a home server, specifically to some services like torrents up while my main PC is offline. My only question is can I have an external hard drive connected to 2 pcs? And if not is there any other solution for seamless file management with my main PC?

>>102972576
Sort of related, I want something that looks like this but is as dumb as bricks. Just connect the HDDs and have it accessible via cable. What are my options? E-Sata is a bonus.

>>102971343
>all this cope
It's as simple as setting CPU governor to power save or conservative.

Continue being a complete moron at your leisure. Stop giving people advice though, you're rubbish.

>>102971727
Your garbage wiki and cringe-inducing introductory summary is being removed from the OP. That's final.

>>102974222
>>102974952
https://www.ebay.com/itm/283727427237

>>102976144
>>102976132
>>102976125
Vikram what did I tell you about posting here? You off your meds again?

>>102976237
>still running with the indian cope
You can screech all you like, it won't make you any less of a moron with no clue what you're talking about.

>>102970120
It's funny as hell seeing basedboys in these thread argue about low power usage.

>>102976132
>It's as simple as setting CPU governor to power save or conservative
But that's not how you turn a regular cpu into a T cpu because you still get a base frequency way higher than the T so more watts and more heat.
Take a deep breath and try another GPT prompt maybe you get lucky on your third attempt to move the goal posts.

>>102976321
>because you still get a base frequency way higher than the T so more watts and more heat.
That's just cope on your end, laughable idiot.
I've measured SFF PCs both with T and non-T CPUs and there's no difference. By all means keep peddling misinformation like the pea-brained dumbfuck you are though.

>>102976321
>because you still get a base frequency way higher than the T so more watts and more heat
are you trolling?

>>102976296
>soiboys argue about low power usage.

You mean this Bangalorean who recommends running a router in a vm to save 5 watts "objectively" according to his "homelab community" ? >>102969948 >>102967688

Indeed quite sad and pathetic. He should consider suicide, wouldnt you agree?

>>102976418
I think you need to take your meds.

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>>102976366
>I've measured SFF PCs both with T and non-T CPUs and there's no difference
What do you even mean by 'measured' ?
Measured doing what exactly?
If you run a stress test on both and measure at the wall then the machine with a T cpu would obviously pull less watts. Physically you cant get the same results due to different hardcoded limits.
One heats up throttles and melts and the other one doesn't.

>>102976546
Wattmeter, idiot.
You are such an idiot it's funny.
All this cope because you are too stupid to configure a CPU for power-saving mode. You're actually stupid enough to believe having T in the name makes a significant difference to power draw, especially idle power draw.

Shocking how dumb you are mate.

>>102974262
Came back from work and... No one? T.T

>>102976125
yeah but i didnt get banned and now me and bunch of other uncles beat you in a fucking road

>>102976555
>especially idle power draw
Your 5th time moving the goal posts. Nobody is debating "idle power draw" here.
I literally just mentioned a full on stress test between cpus having vastly different hardcoded power limits.
How come +100W at max load is not a significant power and heat difference between two cpus? Are you mentally ill?

Your favourite ATX tower for server/NAS?

My NAS: WD My Cloud EX 2 Ultra
I installed Entware package manager with the help of ChatGPT.
After I rebooted it's like I didn't do anything. Any clues on what am I doing wrong?

>>102976125
that pic is kind of hilarious tho

>>102976591
Well I'm not sure I understand the question fully, but obviously you'd forward a port to the warez vm and not the host. They are like two separate computers

>>102976742
I use antec twelve hundred with norco drive cages because I'm a white man with above average testosterone levels. Other kinds of people might scoff and disagree with this particular choice.

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>>102976742
Currently Fractal Define (mine is R2 but any is fine)

>>102976366
>I've measured SFF PCs both with
Kek
No you didn't Vikram.

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I've got the Glow patrol on the NAT patrol
Foes that wanna make sure my network's closed
IT critics that say he's route, crash, ticket-closed
I'm a NEET, stupid! What type of facts are those?
If you grew up with holes in your firewall
You'd celebrate the minute you was havin' it all

I'm like, "Fuck my ISP, you can kiss my whole black hole!
If you don't like my lyrics, you can press fast forward"
Got beef with Jellyfin if it don't play the show
They don't play my movies, well, I don't give a shit, so
CDNs try and use my NEET ass
So advertisers can give 'em more cash for ads
Fuckers, I don't know what you take me as
Or understand the intelligence that Anon has
I'm from down to cloudflarin', I ain't dumb
I got ninety-nine problems, but my server ain't one

>>102976854
Bro flip that psu it will get clogged soon

>>102976885
The fan in that psu hasn't spun once in its life.

>>102976671
>full stress tests
>home server
Idiot.

>>102976864
>no argument
No problem, you were a complete idiot from the beginning.

>>102976909
Isn't that even more of a reason to flip it? Even take the fan out?

>>102969281
>>102976854
>>102973294
funny how after getting burned by them once, just looking at non-SFF-8482 connectors gives me AIDS

>>102977014
This
Flip it so heat flows out naturally then instead of hotboxxing like this

>>102974692
you can host the (external) drive on the minipc and share the folder with your loli porn torrents to access it from your fapstation PC.

>>102976915
>i measured but dont ask what or how and how much, but i measured my imaginary sff boxes trust me bro. and it's the truth, thats why i mention it 12 cope posts deep after running out of chatgpt arguments
Double kek. Keep going Vikram. I'm sure your international homelab community supports your argument.

Greetings,
my so called server (raspi 4) started acting wonky when having it's usual external storage (1ssd, 2x2tb WD and 1 random HDD to fool around) via 40w powered usb hub. Had been running like that for years, but behaviour changed after I removed a smart plug, which was used for remote restart. I managed to get it to boot if I attach the SSD (via usb3 enclosure) directly, but as soon as I attach the hub, even empty or without power, it crashes. 90% of the time the green LED is lit, meaning looking for boot device. Tried changing cables, power supply, etc but to no avail. Only managed to get to attach the main 2tb hdd with a more powerful PSU for the raspi and backed up the data. But somettime the drive clicks (not enough power?) so can't run it like that.
Hub seems to work fine connected to another device.
Data is not critical - mostly movies for the kids, but I also have VPN, transmission, etc running on there.

This is where my knowledge runs out and I need to start researching and asking questions around... need a temp fix until I have more time to rebuilt the whole thing (should be around xmas). All input appreciated, thanks.

>>102976911
>nooo you cant just destroy my shitposts
By your indian logic we should all get K cpus for the bonus free performance with no extra power draw, afterall they are le identical to T cpus right?

>>102977207
>smart plug, which was used for remote restart.
You remote restarted by hard-powercycling the whole contraption? That's kinda funny, in an endurance test kind of way.

>>102977305
no, only the Pi, the storage was on the usb hub's power

funny enough, had to restart it only once remotely... stopped the random freezes after adding the smart plug and started again with the shit after removing it. Will try adding it again to get the universe in balance again

>>102976911
>no argument
No problem, you were a complete idiot from the beginning.

>>102977335
you dont own any other computers?
stick the drives in your desktop
or get a proper external enclosure and connect it to your laptop

>>102973960
Synology is on one side a scam but on the other side it also highlights the sad utter state of the alternative open source NAS software.

>>102977014
>Even take the fan out?
It was brand new when I put it in there, no reason to void the warranty.

>>102977150
But it does flow naturally. In at the bottom, there's even a dust filter. Then out the back. If it gets hot, the fan will spin automatically. It's perfectly fine.

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Happy 1 a.m. /hsg/. Gonna ask a quick OPNsense question:

>Have DHCP provided by LAN for my devices
>Want to see my devices populate in AdGuard Home

If I enable the DHCP server on AdGuard, is there some way to just forward device info to AdGuard? I'm hesitant to do so because having two DHCP servers running seems like a mistake to me.

>>102977357
I do, but why tho?
This way the content is always available on the network, I can VPN in etc.
Or do you mean so I can get access to the data? Managed to back it up, it's on the battelstation.

Btw, did another round of fiddling with cables and now it booted, only took longer.
Must go out now with the kids, but think I will at least reinstall raspbian (it's ancient and barely updatable version anyhow) and think to migrate to a proper server in the near future.

>>102977409
Right now your psu ceiling stays warm capturing the heat that was suppose to actually flow up.
Not a big deal, personally I flipped them from the beginning to 'set it and forget it' regardless of the quantities of outside dust and carpeting and such, one less headache i reckon. Good luck.

>>102972576
>NAS
>no ECC

>>102977429
idk, i wouldn't use that hub tho, it introduces extra points of failure by itself. sounds dodgy, you ever tested it with pic related? maybe when two drives spin up at the same time the hub voltage drops causing issues.
i suggest replacing all with a used fanless thin client hooked up to a usb enclosure, all cool and quiet just like the pi setup.

or at least dump the pi if it keeps crashing, they are made as disposable sbc's, they fail sometimes.

>>102973292
Why the fuck do you have a GPU and virtual machines on your NAS?

>>102977598
no ECC like almost every other /consoomer/ grade <whatever>, neggeranon.

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>>102977613
******

>>102977614
IDK about the anon but my other RTX is sharing it's GPU with Docker apps

>>102977207
replace.the.hub

>>102976190
Thank you very much

>>102977553
Makes sense, much love to you anon.

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>>102977651
may the universe stream knowledge your way, anon

>>102977215
Attributing everything you don't like to india or indians just further exposes you as a complete moron. Evidently you're quite insecure too.

T, K, nothing, it all doesn't matter. You are still a complete moron for reading anything into these symbols when they are just TDP hardware limits, something that can be easily controlled.

You are too stupid to accept this though. Low-intelligence people like you never learn.

>>102977753
nobody cares nobody likes you here
seek help, take your meds, stop spamming, touch grass.

>>102977179
I have a wattmeter, idiot. I actually run a 24/7 server that idles at 8W on a wattmeter, and lo and behold, no T CPU.

You're a complete idiot though, and every time someone exposes you as a moron you screech about India. Such is the nature of stupid people insecure when it comes to their low intellect.

>>102977766
Cry more idiot. Stop spewing embarrassingly terrible information.
Retards like you are the butt of jokes in the homeserver community for a reason.

>>102977753
>Evidently you're quite insecure too.
Yet you keep reporting other's posts here who call you out on your subhuman behavior.
Seems like you're the insecure indian in the room, Rajdeep.

>>102977769
>idles at 8W on a wattmeter, and lo and behold, no T CPU.

See >>102976671
Nobody cares, nobody mentioned idling except you.
You dodged all my posts and you created your own fictional "muh idle" argument that you won against yourself, which most schizos do, hence you report anyone who calls you out as human trash.

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>>102977797
>AI scatposts get deleted
>"Y-Y-YOU MUST BE REPORTING POSTS! YOU ARE TOTALLY INSECURE!"
You are an even bigger idiot than I thought.

>>102977832
There's no difference if you manually adjust the voltage/frequency to match the T series.
Alas, you're a complete idiot who mindlessly follows letter symbols like a zombie.

>>102958721
1000 divided by 8 is 125.
There isn't a single hard drive sold on the market with sequential benchmarks below gigabits linespeed. And that's not even getting into arrays you'd easily see in a home.

>>102977778
>in the homeserver community for a reason.
>>102970120
>The whole homelab community
This particular community you are posting in thinks you should close this tab and drink bleach.
You should take our advice, nobody will miss you, not even the other imaginary communities you mentioned.

>>102977857
>if you manually adjust the voltage/frequency to match the T series.

I already answered this here you absolute spastic >>102971343

The sheer amount of tweaking makes your low effort posts and the end product as irrelevant as your schizo spammer life.
Please end it, your family will be relieved and throw a party with champagne and fireworks.

>>102977899
/hsg/ doesn't encapsulate the homelab community you laughable idiot. I've known for long enough this thread contains idiots like you who think T-series CPUs offer meaningful powersavings over downclocked non-T.

There's even a few dumbshits who think snapraid outperforms a striped raidz1. Wouldn't be surprised if you were that exact moron.

>>102977917
>sheer amount of tweaking
Barely any tweaking. I'm sorry you were dropped on the head as a baby.

>>102967688
>T-series chips makes no difference.

>>102977857
>There's no difference if you manually adjust the voltage/frequency

Keep carrying those goalposts m8

>>102977973
>you can't just say T-series chips make no difference! y-you said you have to manually tweak them! changing the cpu governor to power save is a HUGE amount of work! how dare you move the goalposts!
Idiot.

>>102977965
>Barely any tweaking
How do you know, you obviously never tried it. If you did you would agree.

>>102977961
Yet we still want you gone Vikram.
Are you moving the goalposts for what a homelab community actually is now so you can keep shitting here? Hilarious.

>>102977995
Who are you quoting?
That quote is as much of a fraud as your "server" yet you keep trying to school anons about raid setups regurgitating wikipedia and chatgpt.Very sad.

>>102978006
>you obviously never tried it.
I like how this is the cope you've been reduced to. "y-you obviously haven't tried it! you musn't have!".

What a sad, embarrassing, pathetic little idiot you are.

>Yet we still want you gone Vikram.
Notice how you're still persisting with the indian cope when I've actually proven I'm white >>102977842
Meanwhile you haven't posted your own skin. Obviously this is something you want to hide, you need to mask your insecurities. It's already bad enough you have exposed yourself as a complete moron.

>>102978036
>still no argument
Still no problem, idiot.

It's not my problem you keep peddling out garbage advice. You are clearly a moron who doesn't understand home servers, virtualization or linux at all.

>>102978006
>Yet we still want you gone Vikram
>we
Go back.

>>102978038
>I like how this is the cope you've been reduced to
Just like your
>i m-measured it on my many sff, s-stop asking, m-my community agrees with me and with me only
I guess two can play this game.

>>102978038
>Meanwhile you haven't posted your own skin
Because my manners and behavior do not make anyone question my skin color.
Yours implies you're some angry brown thirdie and many people agreed with this obvious deduction.
You behave like one so you are one.
You could post your whole family tree we'd still prefer you drinking bleach asap.

>>102978083
>Because my manners and behavior do not make anyone question my skin color.
Just admit that you're brown and insecure about it.
Morons like you cry every time someone rightly exposes you as a moron, and cope by attempting to claim they are indian. All this is a mask for your own insecurity.

You are stupid, you don't understand anything about hardware thermals, you don't know anything about managing an energy efficient home server, you are just worthless junk.

>>102978083
>and many people agreed
no they didn't retard. Stop appealing to others. You're on a one-man crusade.

>>102978044
According to you and your imaginary community which thinks a T cpu is irrelevant for a home server and it's necessary to virtualize a 5W router?

Your amateur assessment is void just like your life along with your subhuman posts.

>>102978113
>which thinks a T cpu is irrelevant for a home server
Why don't you ask reddit, the TrueNAS forums and servethehome yourself, they will all tell you the same thing, idiot. Hell you can even do a quick google and find results.

>and it's necessary to virtualize a 5W router
I never said it was "necessary" you illiterate goblin, I said it was power-efficient. Crazy how stupid you are.

>>102977778
>in the homeserver community

>>102970120
>The whole homelab community across the internet

>>102978105
>Stop appealing to others.

you mean, like you keep appealing to others?

what's with all the shitflinging over Intel T chips? The T just means the TDP is limited hardware side which is sometimes used for laptops. Same TDP limit can be achieved on even an unlocked CPU.

Move on.

>>102978128
>Hell you can even do a quick google and find results.
and you can do a quick google and tell me the difference in power and temps when running a 10700T vs 10700K
yet you never did.

>>102978132
I'm not appealing, I'm telling you that stupid types like yourself are regularly laughed at among these communities.
You on the other hand are attempting to bring other anons into your embarrassing crusade with the use of "we" and "us". You are the only one stupid enough to desperately preach the merits of a locked CPU.

>>102978150
There are no differences the moment the 10700k is changed to power saving governor. Sorry idiot, you lost yet again.

>>102978128
>I said it was power-efficient.
it really isn't when compared to your run of the mill basic router, there's a lot of overhead and a vm doesnt run on thin air and your indian prayers.
what do you base this on?
let me guess, more anecdotal measurements from your stash that you will never disclose?

>>102978196
>still screeching about me being indian
At this point, you're not even worth it. You are comprehensively defeated. It's already abundantly clear you're an idiot and there is no reason to continue.

Continue coping at your leisure, you are still a total moron at the end of the day.

>>102969989
>There is a very good reason for why those PSUs were named specifically
because you have no idea about pico psus
have a look at this list
>Low-power x86 systems: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LHvT2fRp7I6Hf18LcSzsNnjp10VI-odvwZpQZKv_NCI
most best results and almost half of it its all pico psus.

stay in your /pcbg/ lane take a handful of your meds and be quiet.
stop recommending 1000W gaming psu's and describing yourself as
>managing an energy efficient home server
you cant even manage your rage on 4chan having people call you pajeet. fix your life first then read up on T cpus.

>>102978224
Hey idiot, the Corsair RM550x (2021) uses just 1W more than a PicoPSU.

Of course you wouldn't know this. You don't know anything. You're an imbecile who should never give anyone advice. Stay in your lane, trash.

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>>102978224
Stop talking about things you have 0 knowledge on, shit-brained idiot.

>>102978246
i dont speak turkish

>>102978233
>RM550x (2021) uses just 1W more than a PicoPSU
so, less efficient?
1W counts in that xls i linked. you did open that xls right?
you noticed literally a 0.1 watt increment counts there in the hierarchy right?
can you read and comprehend the english language?

>>102978214
I accept your concession after all your foaming at the mouth arguments fell apart one by one at the slightest sign of scrutiny.
Tell your international homelab communities (your discord server) i said hi.

>>102978290
Just stop, idiot. You lost ages ago and you've been melting down ever since. Swallow your pride, accept you're retarded and move on with your life. Stop trying to fight battles you can't win.
Clinging onto a 1W difference between a PicoPSU and an ATX PSU is about as depressing and embarrassing as it gets.

fresh start

>>102978258
>>102978258
>>102978258

>>102978300
>Clinging onto a 1W difference between a PicoPSU and an ATX PSU is about as depressing and embarrassing as it gets.
you mean how you cling on replacing a 5W router with a vm saying you "objectively save power" all this based on nothing but ass-pull ignoring >>102968045?
you mean how you cling on a +100W power spike difference between 2 cpus insisting they are the same for a home lab?

depressing indeed, just get some rope and end it.

>>102978099
>no no u r brown!

>>102978351
Let it go, idiot. You've lost :)

>>102978370
>viciously insecure he posts selfies on 4chan after his poo posts called out as pajeet
>haha you lost, i a-am not shaking rn
Sure kid.

>>102978463
No need to project, idiot. All your screeching about me being a pajeet was proven wrong here >>102977842

You have spent hours upon hours embarrassing yourself and exposing yourself as a complete moron, all because you were dumb enough to believe T-chips made a significant difference in power consumption for a server. What a loser :)

You have lost, badly.

>>102971343
>measuring relevant workload parameters, temps, power usage.

>>102978495
>significant difference in power consumption

You keep moving the goalposts again. Why do you keep ignoring temps?
T chips run cool and quiet, which is great for a home server. Period.

Also almost any good hardware can get tweaked into shitty unreliable hardware. That doesnt mean you should.

If you like your sff box to sound like an airplane and throttle while running an update it's your problem, dont project your gaming fetishes and trash hardware choices on all of us who prefer, look for, and especially afford actual decent cool and quiet parts.

Ugh I can smell you through my screen go away already.

>>102978936
>T chips run cool and quiet
So do non-T when configured for power saving. Sorry idiot, you're not convincing anyone to specifically target a locked chip.
Worthless little pissant moron lmao.

>>102978936
>actually believing that if your CPU doesn't have the letter T in it, that means it will throttle during updates and become loud
I'm honestly shocked by just how dumb you are. Your stupidity is off the charts.