https://www.makeuseof.com/hackers-again-cause-wayback-machine-outage/>Hackers have again created havoc with the Internet Archive and its Wayback Machine, just one day after the site reported it had been restored. While Archive-It and the Internet Archive blog are still up, currently, the rest of IA’s services are seemingly unavailable.>This is the fourth time since the start of the month that cyberattacks have disabled the site.
>>102946911What reason would anyone have for taking this site down? Obviously someone wants something gone that's been archived.
>>102946911ZOMGGG NOOOOO 4CHANDERS WTFFF how could this happen to our favorite centralized clearnet service wttff nooooo
>>102946926Don't worry, the Streisand Effect will take care of it, and whatever it is will be known by people that didn't even care, instead of being memory holed.
>>102946972I remember when I believed that.
>>102946972That only works if people know what they're trying to hide or at least who "they" are
good thing i snagged the 15 years of o&a radio show torrents from there 2 days ago
>>102946942This but unironically.
>>102948328The whole "they're trying to hide something" meme comes from Russian bots trying to hide the fact that their state hackers are directly attacking the site. Because they had the audacity to host the JD Vance leaks.
Get wokeGo brokeRest in piss
>>102948734This. They wiped out a ton of "problematic content" like the archived radio broadcasts of Dr. WLP . If these far-left motherfuckers were in charge of the Library of Alexandria back then we wouldn't have 90% of the surviving works of edgy ancient philosophers we have today.
>>102948812>these far-left motherfuckersthey're not anywhere close to left of center
Livestream happening right now:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w819qEfC_A
>>102946911>fourth time since the start of the month that cyberattacks have disabled the siteHow do they figure four? I count the login breach and the Zendesk breach, both using tokens from the same exposed Gitlab config. The sight was up for a few hours before going down again. I'm not seeing anyone claiming to have brought the site down again, so it's probably the operators since a bunch of features didn't work and it was crashing. Even if hackers did bring the site down for a second time, what's the fourth attack?
>>102949137They're counting the original DDoS and the data breach as separate attacks I think.
>>102948734>>102948812You are Jewish
so how come the so called hackers didn't wipe their entire database yet? seems like they are exploiting to troll.
archive.ph wins again
>>102949199they don't have the capability to do so. it's just asshole teenagers like always.
>>102949199Lunduke thinks they hacked themselveshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5VGwx1Ks9U
>>102946972Literally day 1, you'd see posted everywhere "it's Palestinian, Iranian, and Russian hackers!" Even here, literally every single thread talking about IA had the same posts repeating it.There won't be Streisand Effect because most people don't need or want to know why this is happening. They already got their explanation, bad people who you must hate did bad thing because they're bad. Stop asking questions.
I wonder who's behind this.
>>102949662What makes his opinion worth listening to?
>>102948812Archive.org just returned in read-only mode today and I just learned they deleted a large archive I created for violating some unspecified rule.
>>102952685What was in it? Because I like to rummage through collections and I found plenty of stuff that could be banned for racism yet wasn't.
>>102952840Also, did they explicitly say that it was deleted or banned? Because I wonder if there were any rollbacks related to the gorillion hacks they're going through.
>>102946911(((Hackers))) why does this only happen after all the lawsuits? This is clearly corporate sabotage
>>102949662Lunduke is well on the way to Howard Hughesdom
>>102946911Its mossad trying to get rid of the archived tiktoks dumbass IDF post exposing their crimes
>>102946911literally just glass russia already holy shit
>>102946911Oy vey it was Palestinians who did itYou know... the ones who rely on the website to circumvent censorship... yeah... whoops my propaganda is retarded
>>102946926masons being masonsthey need to erase the internet history before they can continue with the new world order
>>102948812Guess I should turn on my seedbox of all that since I have it all downloaded. I dont even know that it matters anymore since we're at the critical state of jew naming and you can find everyone naming them everywhere at this point
The site's fully up, anons!We are so back!
>>102946926Election interference
>>102946911
Wait, so Internet Archive can barely live with donations what the fuck do hackers want for ransom of the site?Oh, right it's a government sponsored hack.
(((hackers)))
why would they do this? who would want history erased?
>>102953507what's this about?
>>102955919have you been living under a rock for the last year?
All my sites, including my old deviantart site that I had nearly half a million followers is no longer in the archive. Like it's crazy, all my old sites are gone and I have no idea why. No one else is using the domains so it's not like robot.txt got recrawled to delete them or anything.Luckily I downloaded them all like 5 years ago but they are gone in the archive for good.
>>102946911It doesn't matter what site it is, if it's become a meme to hack it, it's going down multiple times. There's not much you can do against several different groups all going after the same site.
>>102955975>muh jewish conspiracies and warcrimesGo back to /pol/ retard. Civilians dying under a military strike isn't a warcrime. Putting civilians under harms war purposefully is a warcrime however. You're being retarded on purpose to blame the wrong side.
>>102953507The Archive never archived tiktok videos
>>102951277>iterally day 1, you'd see posted everywhere "it's Palestinian, Iranian, and Russian hackers!"I mean the hacker is claiming they're pro-palestine so I can understand people falling for it.
>>102956048Post nose
>>102955975you think it's corporate espionage?after they already won the fucking case?>>102956014FUCKthank god i already downloaded the full geocities archive
>>102956062>I mean the hacker is claiming they're pro-palestinesource? i haven't followed anythingbut that screams mossad to me
>>102956142????https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/internet-archive-hacked-pro-palestinian-group-leaves-message-to-users-see-31-million-of-you-/articleshow/114138402.cms"A pro-Palestinian hacktivist group called SN_BLACKMETA has claimed responsibility for the attack."This is literally common knowledge...
>>102956177Stop baiting people pls...
>>102956216I don't believe the hackers are pro-palestine. I'm saying that they are claiming that they were and it's common knowledge that they were claiming it.
>>102956177i dont follow tech news much unless it reaches /int/orange reddit is too cancer/g/ is too spammy
>>102956343ok fair enough. didn't see the "i haven't followed anything" in your post and assumed you were trolling sry.
>>102956351no, i've literally given them a bunch of money in the past, so this angers me a lot actuallyi just don't read my emails or follow any mainslop news
>>102956387I was gonna donate to IA, but the court case has very much soured my opinion of them since they just very blatantly got publishers mad at them for a actually fair reason for once, risking their entire site for no real reason.
>>102956416this is also why i'm annoyed at themthey're apparently completely fucking retardeddigital lending was basically like going to a police station and signing a document that says "i smoke weed" in a state in which they don't prosecute people unless they are dealing
>>1029564381:1 Digital Lending is fair and I'd be on their side if that's why the publishers got upset. 1:Infinite isn't.
>DA RUSSIANS>DA PALESTINIANS>DA EYERANIANS>DA CHYNESESWhy are so manny /k/littycels leaking out of their looney neocon echochamber?
>>102948698That angle is directly from Musk and the Trump campaign. IA has never been coy about their censorship. They've routinely deleted and filtered shit for more than a decade, and now publicly announced they're going to do so even harder. Russia has nothing to gain or lose here.
>>102956177>pro-palestineyeah. lol.
>>102957842They plague every board. Even schizo silliness on /x/ is polluted by that site-wide gayop.
>>102952840>>102952856It links to an Error page. I uploaded it about two weeks before archive.org went offline. It was alive within days before the site went down. It was a 3GB archive of metadata from YouTube. But all zipped up, so effectively it was a collection of zip files. It had nothing that YouTube wouldn't allow within their policy.
>>102949662>they hacked themselves
>>102946926it's genuine nobody with a heart would give a shit about every book in existence being free to download because they're dead books from multiple decades ago or something you need and are being gatekept from because (((reasons)))
>>102958716>upload some faggy /pol/shit>it disappears during the same hack that has caused other data to be unavailable like a few years of twitter's blog page>a generic http 404 error page makes you think they're censoring youRetard.
>>102958716I wouldn't conclude right away that it was deleted given the circumstances, but I don't know. Maybe they have some kind of automatic detection and deletion algorithm in place.
Reminder: the Agenda allowed it to be up for a limited time. That time ran out.
>>102958847I'm not following you and it wasn't faggy /pole/ shit. Also get Twitter out of your mouth.
>>102958878>Reminder: the Agenda allowed it to be up for a limited time. That time ran out.boomers and their drones are tweaking lately resist
>>102956416>I was gonna donate to IA, but the court case has very much soured my opinion of them since they just very blatantly got publishers mad at them for a actually fair reason for once, risking their entire site for no real reason.now I want to donate to them because they are being pummeled for upholding truthfuckoff if someone wanted to buy a book they would buy it, if they need to download it they can already go to a russian torrent to get it so why does anything of what you say matter?
>>102959018That's an interesting tidbit about the price of tea in China. What were we talking about?
>>102956416>>102956438I bet you faggots are big proponents of making already poor and indebted college students buy the brand new "we fixed a typo" editions of text books, upwards of $500+ total per semester, in order to be able to keep up with classwork when they could download a pdf of the same thing for free.
>>102958878It's not down and nothing was deletedAlso, why would it need to go down to delete something? That would not be necessary.
>>102959100>nothing was deletedI'm sure you believe that.>why would it need to go down to delete something?It's not one thing. It's everything.
>>102959150There is not proof of anything being deleted though.evidence: known real human vouches for something having existed in a particular state on the archive, and archive doesn't have itproof: many different people offer evidence supporting the same conclusionI haven't seen any proof offered yet.>It's not one thing. It's everything.You dodged the question. If you want to delete something, you don't make any noise. You don't need downtime to delete anything either. Yet, many users take the downtime as evidence that deletion is happening- what's up with that?
>>102959205>You dodged the questionI'm sorry my answer didn't go in the direction you were expecting. They don't want any one particular thing from history gone, they want all of history gone. An eternal present in which the Party is always in control.
>>102959254Well if "they" want all of history gone, it is interesting to note that archive.org is currently available right now.
>>102959254Oh shut the fuck up you fag.
>>102959266>archive.org is currently available for nowFixed. Of course they're making it look like a real fight, so that it looks like an unavoidable tragedy and not more obviously staged than a Presidential election.
>>102948812No, your edgy alt-right e-celeb/radio host/podcast host father figure surrogate is not a philosopherNo, feeding your outrage/culture war/politics addictions are not equivalent to reading classical work hosted in the Library of AlexandriaNo, bringing up the Library of Alexandria like everybody else on Twitter is does not make you sound smartNo, nobody is required to dedicate server space to pandering to you
>>102959328There is no modern precedent for the behavior that you claim will come to pass. Also, you can't just remotely 'delete' the archive. They have backups of everything. Is someone going to come and bomb the archive? Who is going to do it? Why do you think a particular group has this incentive, can you prove that such a group has such an incentive?I am also confused as to why you people were not making these claims before the cyberattack (teenage assholes). If a mechanism for remotely deleting the archive's data existed, and someone had a sufficient incentive to delete it, why wouldn't they just delete it? Again, there is no need for downtime to be involved.And if something has been deleted, offer proof as I defined it in >>102959205. Claims made by a good number of people from different beliefs/priorities/ideology/social circles. No proof of deletion has been offered.
>>102948812Why lie about this? Especially when other stuff (like the kiwifarms archive) is actually being nuked.https://archive.org/details/american-dissident_voices_wlp_dr._william_luther_pierce
>>102954610>deflect, mention palestinians, shit all over the thread with stock FSB agitprop, leave no trace of the Russian hack in people's memoryWhy are you troll agency hookers so fucking blatant and stupid?
>>102959369You deserve all the same back, don't worry.
>>102959535damn schizo btfoSchizos still haven't proven any deletions that aren't to do with 'policy' like deleting kiwi
>>102959417>There is no modern precedent for the behavior that you claim will come to passThen it's worked before, and it will work again.>you can't just remotely 'delete' the archiveWho said remotely?>Why do you think a particular group has this incentiveBecause they've done it before. Like the Hameln entertainment company, they're an ancient cult that have simply modernized their practices. And no, it's probably not the one you're thinking about.>you peopleWho?>there is no need for downtime to be involvedUnless, again, you need to make as few people as suspicious as possible. Of course, we are in an "election" year, so not that many people are paying attention to this very closely anyway.>No proof of deletionI guess that screenshot of a gap between 2019 and 2023 doesn't count, huh?
>>102959608>Then it's worked before, and it will work again.I have never seen a wizard shooting fireballs at a dragon, therefore it must exist since I never proved it didn't exist.>I guess that screenshot of a gap between 2019 and 2023 doesn't count, huh?That wasn't a gap in archived twitter posts, it was a gap specifically in the blogposts on blog.twitter.com. The gap is only one half of complete evidence- next, you need to actually show us a company blogpost that existed, if any were ever posted during that time. No one has done so, therefore there is no evidence.
>>102957925Yet you have no specifics, just vague claims as you always do, hoping people will take your word for it. The only removals have been related to copyrighted content being uploaded without permission, to prevent lawsuits.Imagine being such an abject piece of shit you start trying to smear a fucking library because they hosted a book that offended your interests.
>>102959655To add, we don't need to apply this scrutiny to literally everything hosted by the archive in order to prove deletion. But we do need to to apply this scrutiny to a good handful of things which are not deleted for a policy reason, before we can actually say "the archive is deleting data surreptitious.If you posted a comic book to the archive, and it's not there, then to prove that it was deleted you need to actually find several differently-aligned people to claim that they once saw the comic on the archive. Once you have a decent amount of claims from credible people, then yeah there's a good chance the comic was once there.It is easy to find some gap in archive crawls on any webpage. If there was nothing there, you will likely find a gap.In order to prove that a gap in coverage is a form of deletion, you need to prove that there actually was something there. Surely this is common sense?
>>102946911Why isn't there a distributed internet archive. I know that archive.org had torrents (I have been very lucky using that site for TV & movies) but the structure of the site including meta data for files and the archived webpages aren't distributed as far as I can tell.
>>102959750>In order to prove that a gap in coverage is a form of deletion, you need to prove that there actually was something there. Surely this is common sense?And since we don't need to offer this proof for thousands of articles- only this scrutiny applied a few dozen things or perhaps less, would suffice- you only need a $0 budget and internet connection to prove that the archive is deleting shit. Yet even schizos, who have $0, have not done so.
>>102959655>have never seen a wizard shooting fireballs at a dragonYeah, because those don't exist (not literally, anyway). What I'm talking about does.>it was a gap specifically in the blogposts on blog.twitter.comTherefore, proof of deletion.>you need to actually show us a company blogpost that existed>No one has done soThe one about COVID "misinformation" doesn't count, huh?>>102959750Once again, they're not trying to get rid of anything specific. It's the same as when Babylon has its book burnings: they're intentionally ushering in a dark age to confuse our descendants about their place in history, as they did to us under the Holy Roman Empire.
>>102959914>proof of deletionHas not been presented. Proof of data being missing has. There is no proof it was deleted rather than became unavailable as a result of multiple cyberattacks.
>>102959914>Therefore, proof of deletion.That is not proof of deletion. For a specific chunk of information, you need to prove that there was something there by getting a handful of disparate witnesses to make credible claims that there was something there, and when it was there roughly.In order to prove prevalence of deletion, you just do the above for multiple pieces of information, maybe a dozen? Using different witnesses each time. Then you can establish that there is deletion happening, and it is happening to different pieces of information.The lull in twitter blogposts is not proof of 'deletion' unless you can prove that there was something there, which you CAN do on a $0 budget, yet you haven't done. Show us some witnesses or get lost.
>>102959950>>102959958>n-no, it's just made unavailable!>it's totally different! >even though the end result is the same...
>>102959996I only made the second post you quoted.Anyway, your epistemology sucks balls.If there is X packet of information hosted by Y, that is not even a guarantee that entity Z will archive it.If you see that packet X is not available at archive Z, you need to prove that packet X was _at one time_ available at archive Z. Proof is found using disconnected witnesses who are different people who don't know each other.You can prove that archive Z is engaging in lots of deletion by just picking samples of different packets of information, and proving that they were all deleted.You have no proof that anything which was proven to have been archived was deleted. Ergo, there is no proof of the prevalence of deletion. Since for a long time archive.org has not engaged in secret deletion, and since it is cheap ($0) to prove that it does engage in deletion, we can assume that there is not deletion.Unless you want to prove anon wrong?
>>102948734>>102948812>>102959535They don't have enough mods to control content as much as they'd like. If you see something you think may get deleted, just download it. Site remains a good resource for sharing & finding such stuff.
>>102960044I may have put my foot in my mouth stating it was "proof of deletion." The point is, the whole thing is being made unavailable, and that is be design from the Agenda. They'll play-act a struggle to keep it up, like every Presidential "election" being a play-act against two halves of a mutual controlled opposition, but a final blow will occur, and IA will post a>sowwy, but it gone :(tweet, and that'll be it, just like what Babylon said would happen when they first approached Brewster in the late 90s.
>>102959996>one of the servers is down and thus this data isn't available until it's online>DURR U DELETED IT!!!!You are literally the all caps strawman in this scenario. Stop being a hysterical retard.
>>102960290>isn't available until it's online*if
>>102960289Well ok, that they will delete it ENTIRELY is different than its current integrity with respect to individual pieces of information.Who is 'the agenda' though? I could imagine that someone might eventually have an incentive to delete it that is of such a high amount of $ it is equivalent to paying for missiles (i.e. physically blowing it up). Who is being inconvenienced by it right now?
>>102960290I don't even think the blog.twitter thing was archived in the first place. It was probably just on a list of domains in some bot and the guy turned off his bot or switched up his list.
>>102960354>Who is 'the agenda' though?>Who is being inconvenienced by it right now?Read until the end.
>>102960412But like, is there some kind of material damage that archive.org is doing to someone's operations right now. Is there an example of some government operation that has been done whose exposure as a result of OSINT from archive.org caused lots of wasted resources? There probably is but i'm assuming you have some examples on-hand.
>>102960290nah the deliberate offlining for the days it has been is because they don't want the children to remember everything for freesome books are getting rewritten, that's for sure
>>102960444>is there some kind of material damage that archive.org is doing to someone's operationsIts existence is an inconvenience. That's why it was negotiated to only last for a limited time. Now that parts of the Agenda are coming to a head, that lease is up. Again, they're play-acting a struggle, because it'll eventually be gone for good. The game at hand is older than the world as you know it.
Fucking muslim terrorists aren't satisfied blowing up everything IRL and now they have to nuke digital libraries too.
>>102961777>muslim terroristsNo, this is entirely domestic.
>>102961811I'll give you that.. domestic SJW rainbowhair woketard Gaza protesting wackos who's aim is so bad they randomly blow up a beloved archive just because "America bad!".
>>102961854>SJW rainbowhair woketard Gaza protesting wackosAgain, no. Much older than that.
You keep telling me the people running this website are not idiots but evidence isn't supporting that
>>102962122They're not. They know (or at least Brewster knows) that its time is running out, if it hasn't already.
>>102961854Its 900% mossad deleting information on epstein, Israel always attacks itself with its mudslime golemsWhere tf are muslims keeping a ddos center in the middle east that isnt cut off??? Its most definitely from fucking tel aviv
>>102956282It's definitely some globohomo media or publishing conglomerate bankrolling some hackers for hire. I thought that much was obvious?
>>102946911Who the fuck hacks an archive
>>102963716someone who wants to shut it down
>>102963716https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-CG5w4YwOI
>>102959535>Why lie about this? Especially when other stuff (like the kiwifarms archive) is actually being nuked.They dont actually delete stuff. They just hide it from the public.its still accessible to researchers
>>102959535>Why lie about this? Especially when other stuff (like the kiwifarms archive) is actually being nuked.Why shold i care if kiwfarms got shat on?
>>102959655>That wasn't a gap in archived twitter posts, it was a gap specifically in the blogposts on blog.twitter.com. The gap is only one half of complete evidence- next, you need to actually show us a company blogpost that existed, if any were ever posted during that time. No one has done so, therefore there is no evidence.>>102959750>To add, we don't need to apply this scrutiny to literally everything hosted by the archive in order to prove deletion. But we do need to to apply this scrutiny to a good handful of things which are not deleted for a policy reason, before we can actually say "the archive is deleting data surreptitious.>If you posted a comic book to the archive, and it's not there, then to prove that it was deleted you need to actually find several differently-aligned people to claim that they once saw the comic on the archive. Once you have a decent amount of claims from credible people, then yeah there's a good chance the comic was once there.>It is easy to find some gap in archive crawls on any webpage. If there was nothing there, you will likely find a gap.>In order to prove that a gap in coverage is a form of deletion, you need to prove that there actually was something there. Surely this is common sense?Archive.today lets you backup snapshots directly from the wayback machine.If you find an a backup in archive.today that's listed as being saved from the waybackmachine, but isn't present in archive.org then something has been hidden or deleted.
>>102948524>torrentsuh... anon?
>>102946911>>102961777>>102960549>>102960444>But like, is there some kind of material damage that archive.org is doing to someone's operations right now>>102946926>What reason would anyone have for taking this site down? Obviously someone wants something gone that's been archived.There is an easy answer. I don't think there is some big conspiracy here, its just a bunch of fucking retards.The people who took credit for the hack said they did it cause archive.org is a zionist tool. They didn't pop up out of nowhere.They are an existing group, not just one that randomly showed up to attack the wayback machine.https://xcancel.com/Sn_darkmeta/status/1845502888480579860https://xcancel.com/sn_darkmetaThey targeted abunch of random shit before hand. Hulu, Ubisoft, random israeli banks, etc.
>>102963984They targeted microsoft in june because they claimed it supported israel:https://xcancel.com/Sn_darkmeta/status/1802063931852120180#mhttps://xcancel.com/DailyDarkWeb/status/1801510687329378455#mhttps://xcancel.com/Sn_darkmeta/status/1800932456977068232#m
>>102946926(((Hackers))) that are pissed that people are (correctly) calling out a Genocide.Hell, their own (((Supporters))) are "WTF is wrong with you"ing them.
>>102955398>the new world orderIs over 200 years old. Hope that helps.
>>102963902Isn't that the question Anon is asking? You say you don't care while going out of your way to lie for their detriment.
