I need a gaming and AI build that last 10 years.

just wait for the microcode update
two more weeks

>>102963961
going off grid is the way for you.

>>102963961
9950x, x870e taichi lite, dual 4090s, 1600w psu corsair psu. What do you think anon?

>>102964092
what about 5090

>>102964012
what happened? I slept through whole thing.

>>102964096
the only way anything lasts 10 yars if you go off grid and think you still have top components for that time.

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>>102964100

>>102964096
Yes, get that instead. You'll need two or more for running something like that for running llama 3.1 with more params.

>>102964113
ANTISEMITISM!!!!
REMOVE THIS NOW

b-bros trust the plan... this first gen is bad like the nehalem cores were. Next gen it will be over for A-AMD... haha...

>>102964114
but I have only 2k

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>>102964113
feels nice to hit the nail with hardware choices, got 7700X two years back for $330, haha

>>102963961
>ai build
just say you're making stable diffusion porn T_T

>>102964143
that's not enough for x1 5090, it will cost around $3k

>>102964143
So, 7950x, x870 pro rs and 4080 super. You'll have a decent setup, but not enough to run your own llms. You'll have to upgrade sometime in between, sometime around 5 year mark.

>>102964138
Intel needs to launch Panther-Lake fast and in the same socket, by fast I mean less than 6 months.

You ARE supporting israel by buying intel, right chud?

>>102964138
is it even a new arch? they promised proper redesign by 2024 I think, way back in 2019

>>102964172
can I cheap out mobo

>>102964184
you need a lot of RAM and storage for AI, so no

>>102964092
Not Chad enough
9950X3D (more cache = More AI) + Dual 5090s on the 1600W PSU :)

>>102964184
Yes get some x670e or b650e board, x870 pro rs is only 200 bux and it'll fit in budget.

>>102964173
There are some rumors that Intel's clients are not happy with 18A.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/intel-manufacturing-business-suffers-setback-broadcom-tests-disappoint-sources-2024-09-04/?s=31

>>102964184
IDK if there are boards with dual x16 slots for dual gpus. So get a good board.

>>102964205
all ogre

>>102964184
Please do if you can, BUT do not trust ANY X870 or X870E to have the awesome PCIE 5 X8 + X8 (two metal slot) split UNLESS you manually look for it.

You ideally want PCIE 5 X8 + X8 for any future AI GPU silliness for high bandwidth/quick loading/quick layer transfer etc, but PCIE 5 x16 (5090 #1) and PCIE 4, 4.0 (normal Slot 2) would be the bare minimum honestly.

>>102964173
They already showed PL mobile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alj4Ip4SyL8&t=3381s

But mobile

also Wait for RDNA4 $599 max gamerbros, Lol

>>102964219
Then I can buy 7900xtx for 500bux. Yay!

>>102964219
>RDNA4 $599 max
Jack Huynh seemed reasonable in interview, but I expect them to do same retarded thing and line everything up to Nvidia instead of going dirty and hitting them same way they did intel.
so 8800XT = $650 and 5-8% faster than 5070.

>>102964243
Yeah, I should've specified, hopefully for "$599 max" purchasers there's a $550 8800 (not XT) *worst case* that's between the 7900GRE and 7900XT with much better RT performance

You KNOW they're gonna do their best to screw up even a good architecture with bad pricing, on top of Nvidia doing probably no price/pref bump and nuking the 5080 + $2000 5090 Loool

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8800 XT is going to cost $550

Source: I saw it in a dream (I'm a dark empath sage)

>>102964068
>does this failure need a contact frame like lga 1700 did?
Technically yes, der8auer already proved with a scanning pressure tester than the even with the "improved" ILM a CF still does better (can't reuse 12-14th Gen ones because the die socket it nudged 1mm north to compensate for the hotspot migration):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crZ2K-DBAhM&t=1008s
Buuuuuuuuuuuut effectively no, because the combination of lower wattage and more spread out compute tiles on the die mean it's not the unquenchable furnace that high-end RPL is requiring ever last trick in the book thrown at it to stay below TJ Max. If you still want one for extra cushion say on air or for aesthetics they already have one available here (with cheaper options from Thermalright probably soon to follow):
https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/cpu-contact-frame/s-tg-cf-i1851-v1

Are high refresh rate 1440p OLEDs still a meme?

Kinda wanna ditch my 13700k, which feels like it will kill itself any day now. Not that I'm seeing obvious instability this moment, but I remember having parts randomly fail on me over night before.
Probably going with a 9800x3d but if the benchmarks are lukewarm like the rest of zen5%, then maybe I'll side grade to something more modest.
Really, I should just ride it til it dies, but I'd really hate to see an issue come up at a terrible time. Anyone had related awful experiences here?

>>102964092
>dual 4090s
You could buy a bunch of used 3090s with that and load even bigger models

>>102964571
If I were you I'd rather not live with constant anxiety

Woke up and Intels new CPU is a dumpster fire. Pajeets get your shit together.

>>102964756
Intel really REALLY should have just had TSMC shrunk Raptor Lake, take the die savings and add some extra P & E cores, maybe a bit more cache, massage the clocks and they would have had an end product better than the reinvented wheel they ended up with and better than Zen 5 too.

>goyframex
>goychasers
>goybencmarks
ayy lmao

>>102964838
Why did they not redeem?

DIY processors wen

>>102964838
A full monolithic 3nm die would be too expensive to make

>ASUS just published a blog post, boasting about the numbers its Z890 Apex was able to reach with overclocking. The overclocker "Elmor" used AI Ln2 pot by 3D Systems, Diabatix, ElmorLabs, and SkatterBencher to set up a liquid helium cooling solution for the CPU. With this, he was able to achieve a whopping 7488.8 MHz of clock speed on the Core Ultra 9 285K.
>The overclocked BenchMarc successfully overclocked its CUDIMM DDR5 frequency to 12066 MT/s, which is insanely high and breaks even the latest V-Color CUDIMM record of 10600 MT/s on Gigabyte AORUS Z890 Tachyon ICE. ASUS claims that they were themselves able to achieve 10266 MT/s AT CAS 46 but BenchMarc did an amazing job in breaking the 12000 MT/s mark before everyone.
>As of now, the ROG Maximus Z890 APEX has secured 5 world records, 19 global first places, and 31 first places. Apart from the CPU frequency record, the Apex board also helped reach 60840 points in Cinebench R23 by Benchmark. Moreover, the board has also registered the highest DDR5 speed ever, breaking the 12000 MT/s mark.
INTEL WON
THANK YOU INTEL

>>102964981
So it needs all of the above to match a 9700x? lol, lmao even.

>>102964173
>>102964215
Panther lake is supposed to be mobile only, it's the successor to lunar lake.

>>102964989
Just buy $2000 worth of memory and cooling, tweak those 70 BIOS values and manually install/uninstall these 50 Windows KBs.
Tinkertranny audience leaving for Arrow Lake in droves.
AMD on the ropes.

>>102964563
Under $600 it's a reasonable purchase.

>>102964981
All that effort just to beat a 7600x on a wraith stealth...
Sasuga pentium 4 mark ii

>>102964219
I have no choice. Nvidia's similar tier 5070 is going to be $600 minimum for marginal gains while still being 12GB so that's a no-go.

>757 eur for 285k
god bless euroland

So I got a free motherboard, PSU, and case off Facebook marketplace. The motherboard is a b350-plus (so it's an AM4 board). The PSU is 700w

Anyway, based on that I'm thinking what to build around this with follow

Ryzen 5 5600
32gb ram (3200Mhz)
RX 6800
2tb sad (exact model yet to be decided. Whatever is on sale at the time I guess)

So, please tell me how absolutely retarded I am. Thank you for your time.

>285k has been OC'D to hit 7.5ghz
LOL it really is Bulldozer

>>102965225
rookie numbers
14900k did 9.1ghz

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>>102963942
>257ns
257ns
>257ns
257ns
>257ns
257ns

>>102965251
I guess the ultra in the name is referring to the latency after all.

Been out of the loop for a bit now, after buying a 12600K and a 3070 to be precise.
How is everything right now? I saw Intel changed their entire fucking brand for no fucking reason, so I can't even read that shit anymore.

>>102965275
Both AMD and Intel are flopmaxxing this year, come back in 2026.

>>102965275
>Ryzen 5 5600
You could even do 5700X3D and not be that behind a 245K for non-workstation stuff, and even beat it in some games Lol. Are you trying to still do moderate budget? Go to Ebay and get your 5600(X) so you don't spend over $125 as it's not worth more

>>102965275
Not great. 5 generations worth of CPUs over 2 years across both Intel & AMD are all basically clustered within margin of error of each other.
On the bright side, that means your 12600K still stands up nicely to current offerings.

>>102965152
No that's still a fairly solid budget build. Just make sure your board can actually run the 5600 - it may need a BIOS update and I doubt a B350 will have BIOS Flashback.

>>102965275
So with intel, imagine the following:
You spend another $300-400 on CPU, $300+ on Board and $200+ on RAM to get the 'optimal' performance

And you still end up with something like a 12600K in gaming, and a 12900K in multicore

Meanwhile if you get a 9700X for the same price, you get a 12700K-12900K in multicore and in gaming with $100 RAM and $200 board with PCIE 5 still

>>102965285
>>102965296
>>102965309
Another generation where my 12600K is king, got it.
And I shouldn't ask, but I can only assume Nvidia is going to release the 5080 for $1800 and with 12GBs of Vram since that's all you need right?

>>102965285
>Amd
>flopmaxxing
they're not flopping at all, their biggest issue is their previous gen is too good a value, I'm sure they're crying that everyone is buying 7000 series

>>102965318
pretty much

>>102965318
Yeah that's the expectation lol.
Something like $1200 for 16GB "kind of a 4090" at launch then maybe a 24GB 5080TI for $1200 again, when nobody buys the 16GB, and it becomes $999

b650 and ram ordered bros... how long till 9800X3D...

>>102965329
Fuck me, I wanted to buy a 4080, but the price was stupid, and even the 4080 super was just a bit too expensive imo. It's honestly fucking over for me

>>102965332
Maybe I'll get a used one, but 16GBs sounds so fucking stupid for a 4090 type card.

>>102965336
Based
>how long till 9800X3D
launches on the 7th, guessing you'll have it on the 15th if you order it then

>>102965338
just wait until you hear what used AMD 6800(XTs) go for versus the 4070/Super

spoiler, $320-$350 for 16GB at 3080-3090 (4070) tier performance as long as you don't RTX maxx

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interesting

>>102965342
desu i just want to be able to pre-order my chip because I think it's going to be out of stock and/or scalped everywhere

>>102965353
woaw such credibility

>>102965354
well that's the current situation with the 7800X3D, but only because AMD is holding back supply.
Don't pay over MSRP

>>102965364
I'm kinda tempted to order a 7500f from aliexpress just to hold me over but I'm afraid it'll be enough performance and I won't get a 9800X3D

>>102965353
it's over, not even userbenchmark can save this generation
go buy the degrading 10nm chips instead

I feel like Arrow lake is exactly where youd expect
it takes less watts than 14900k
it dedicates die space to stuff like gpu, AI nonsense
it has estrogen cores which were always about mobile power efficiency, while having zero benefits for gamers

But while it has some unresolved latency issues >>102965251 it somewhat matches a 14600k without having same degradation issues.

Amd meanwhile makes gamer cpus.

>>102965353
That is just early damage control to appear "fair". Once some patches roll out this will enable him to fix his review and claim arrow lake is the best there ever was.

>>102965443
>AMD meanwhile makes gamer cpus.
AMD makes server CPU with byproducts and waste bins trickling down to the goysumer market. Even X3D was originally a cope technology to reduce bandwidth requirements on Epycs so they could get away with making a shittier IOD on a cheaper node.

>>102965353
>1st of 1466
uh

>>102965463
Yes anon that's called binning. Server market has the highest margins so they get the best silicon. Consumers get the dregs but ofc don't pay $5000 per unit.

>>102965485
wrong. consumer gets the fast and leaky chips while servers get the really low leakage but slow clocking chips

>gAMDers nexus
>AMDunboxed
>TechpoweredbyAMDup
>level1AMDtech
>getskitfromAMDguru
>DerAMDuer
>AMDcomputerbase

>>102965507
Don't forget the good old, reliable copeFrameX & CopeChasers and friends AMDip or ShartZen LMAO

>>102965507
PoliticallyCorrectbysupportingAMDWorld

I'm glad /g/ is finally awakening to the damage AMD does via its marketing program(s).

>>102965494
Yes that's one element of binning where "best" isn't clear-cut.

>>102965543
Go back to LoserCopeMark

>>102965507
>AMD Is Dead
>AMDTV
>AMDGaminginHD
>I'm an AMD
>Not an AMD Fan
>AMDTwoCents
>AMD Hardcore Overclocking
>AMD3D
>AMD Owens
>AMDBreviews
>AMDTeks

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Nuff said

>>102965562
>AMD's Hardware
>AMD Tech Tips

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https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/785597/836996/intel-arc-iris-xe-graphics-windows.html

>Launch driver for Intel Core Ultra 200S Series with Intel Graphics.

UPDATE NOW

>>102965565
So this is why similarly to Bulldozer the CPU does better or as expected in stuff like file compression, cpu rendering, premiere, and so on?

>>102963942
R5 7600 or I7-14700kf?
I'm looking to build something that will last me 10 years

>>102965587
Nod really, Bulldozer had decent latency, just shit IPC made up with higher core count than Intel's CPUs at the time.

>>102965599
none of the above
7800x3d or 9800x3d

>>102965562
you forgot
>AMD

>>102965599
A 6-core CPU is already obsolete.

>>102965562
Not an Intel Fan*

>AMD Inside

>>102965507
Linus shills for AMD tech tips

>>102965666
KEK
trips of devilish truth

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Give it to me straight, is the GPU/CPU industry making progress or is it the same snake oil pitch with upscaling and AI?

>>102965679
GPU industry definitely is but cpus? Im not that educated on but doesnt look like its making nearly as much progress as GPUs. Once RTX 50 then 60 series comes out you're going to see insane advancements in AI

>>102965679
gpus are progressing really well, at least on the high-end products
cpus have only really progressed from the 3d vcache tech amd provides. intel has had progress but at the cost of consumers from rapidly failing cpus and they are correcting course with arrowlake that's regressed back to late 2021s performance levels

>>102965666
DIGITS HAVE SPOKEN

>>102965684
>>102965679
well gpus can endlessly parallelize
cpus cant make a thread go 100% faster with more instructions per clock. The gains per gen are always minor and they come from fine tuning the architecture on all fronts.

>>102965703
>gpus can endlessly parallelize
what did he mean by this?

>>102965684
clueless. CPU made giant leaps in recent years, branch predictors turned into black magic and nobody knows how they work now
while GPU still stuck in moar cores paradigm chasing smaller and smaller node, no GPU revolution was made yet it's all progressing directly correlated to node shrinkage

>>102965711
just make more coars and gpu becomes more faster

>>102965711
>what did he mean by this?
what did he mean by this?

>>102965711
all GPU essentially do is 2x2=4 operations trillions per millisecond

>>102965719
pretty much

>>102965712
>branch predictors turned into black magic and nobody knows how they work now
what did he mean by this?

>>102965727
Hardware AI revolution happened back in 2019 and nobody noticed.

>>102965723
bit more complicated than that
they are extremely heavily memory bound-both in
bandwitdh unless you are drawing few dozen triangles equivalent of ps1 graphics
>>102965712
>moar coar
the core they advertise isn't really a 'core' in architectural sense
they are just some FPU+ALU block and gpu frontend is getting more and more complicated than ever

>>102965666
Errorlake strikes again

>>102965744
yeah and nah, still basic "core" count decides 80% of GPU performance. My hope hardware itself will learn where to cut calculations and where to focus, they already do it but not as extensively to give big performance gains. GPUs rely on software too much.

>>102965801
nvidia already did that by adjusting unit count ratio of FP and INT by like 2:1

>>102965801
also idk what do you mean by them relying on software but their nonsensically big driver is because they have to include all the api links and whole ass compilers for shaders, not to mention all the game specific patches and control panel thing
whay you are proposing is to introduce independently hardware accelerated shader stage to determine where to compute more and where to less, i don't really think it's a good idea
we already have too much crap on consumer gpus and i don't want to see companies compromising chip area which would normally go for raster stuff in order to shove more fancy tech (tm) whatever

>>102964113
why does the 7800 perform better than 7950?

>>102965152
Bios is an issue
Not every b350 got 5000 chip compat at all, even if it did you may need a zen 1 to flash up to the late bios revisions
I should sell my zen 1 that's in a drawer just to increase the number of bios hoppers in circulation

>>102965863
All 8 cores exist on a single die and don't have latency penalties when communicating with each other while 7900x3d is 6+6 and 7950x3d is 8+8

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I always like Wendell's reviews
>this product is great because [USE CASE]

Any sub-$300 AM5 motherboards that can reliably run 8000Mhz memory?

the deskmini x600 comes with a case, a motherboard and a power brick??
or is it just a case and psu/power brick

>>102965895
why do you want to run 8000 MHz memory
the infinity fabric caps out at 60 GB/s

>>102965895
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keJHego7neI&t=2060s

>>102965895
Mini itx probably

>>102965895
Running that fast is going to come down to your IMC 99% of the time. That is to say you're still subject to lottery even with some $1000 ROG Aorus Dark Hero Apex Platinum board. With that said, I think the world record is still on that cheapo HDV/M.2 so maybe that? 1DPC really seems to help with clockmaxxing.

>>102965915
Latencymaxxing in Gear 2.
Bandwidth is irrelevant for desktop.

>>102965922
IMC runs at 2000 in this scenario, in Gear 2 you're limited purely by the motherboard.

>>102965927
lowest latency is achieved at 6200-6400 gear 1
you're running the memory controller 1 GHz lower in 8000 gear 2 than 6000 gear 1

>>102965895
Cheapo 2 dimm board, lucky memory controller

>>102965739
It happened in 2015, actually. It was called ML as opposed to AI.

>>102965936
You need to win the lottery twice to get your IMC to 3200 and IF to 2133 for that, and you can still go lower with 1:1 IMC:IF at 8000+ ram speeds.

>>102965927
>>102965935
Ah I see. Have to respect the effort kek. It's not something I've dabbled in, for hopefully obvious reasons, but I'd still expect 1DPC to be the "value" way to get mad cloxx. Though maybe the new 800-series boards can go higher by other means.

Is the 7800X3D at 375 a sensible purchase this close to the 9800X3D?

>>102965995
Probably

Trying to decide between a 5600 (~$155 AUD), 5700X ($240), and 5700X3D (~$350). Upgrading from 3300X, so any of them would be a decent upgrade.
Main use cases are light photo/video editing (meaning no crazy edits/layering), a few VR titles (at the moment it's mostly Beat Saber and Maskmaker), and some coop Minecraft or 7 Days To Die recently.
Minecraft itself runs fine at several hundred FPS with shaders, 7DTD runs like shit for me regardless of settings or OS version, and VR games typically require I close out of other stuff or else there's a bit of stuttering.

>>102966015
generally 5700x3d from aliexpress is the best choice unless you're doing some sort of ultra budget build

>>102966015
yeah I'm doing the 5600 upgrade from 3300X soon.

>>102966010
I found one at 330, I bought it

Is Arrow Lake supposed to last two years until they can get Nova Lake out?

>>102966076
yes >>102964205

>>102965949
that's software. and it's been around since 60s

>>102966088
Broadcom is a cancerous tumour that turns everything it touches into shit, I'll take that with a grain of salt.

>>102966076
mate, it didnt last a day

>another CPU release crippled by wangblows on top of how shit it is besides that
Microshart should just fork the Linux scheduler at this point.

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Boy I sure hope anyone buying a 265k uses ram that costs more than the cpu

>>102966015
>5700X3D
150 usd on chinkexpress
and yes, it's safe to buy there

>>102966049
Your a lucky bastard

>>102966234
thanks anon, i feel it. got my whole am5 upgrade for 560

>>102966185
thats how it is. intel isnt a POORFAG brand

I'm convinced zen 5 is zen 4 rebadged with the sole purpose of keeping prices high

>>102966285
People bought into LGA1700 because it was cheaper than AM5 and could use DDR4.

>>102966297
Nah, Epycs and Linux Zen 5 workstations got exactly the advertised 16% uplift, sometimes more.

Can intelaviv ever recover?

>>102966320
Maybe after a 10 year purgatory arc and total company culture reset.
Doubt it's possible in the [Current Year], the overall downward trend of everything going to shit is too strong.

>>102966185
just wait for the bios updates from intel. it'll fix everything for sure

>>102966297
You're basically retarded. Zen5 mogs zen4 in compute it's just its cores are gimped by the same shitty io die which leads to zen5% meme in gayyming

>>102965275
get a used 12700 or 12900k and consider a 5070 or 5080 next year and you should be good for another 4 years.

>>102966185
1080p is an irrelevant market to Intel.

What do you think about the i7 12700K? I originally planned to get an R7 7800X3D but that might be impossible.
Additionally, what do you think about Gigabyte Z790 Gaming X AX?

2017
>just you see- Intel is sitting on a warehouse of super chips ready to go to BTFO AMD if zen turns out to be good
>intel's hand is empty
2024
>just you see, arrow lake is going to BTFO zen 5% by using advanced packaging and a superior TSMC node
>intel's hand is empty

What's the consensus on ARL?
Now nothing burger but have to wait for Windows fixes to see real improvements?

>>102966320
they will come back once israel wins the war and their 140iq engineers return to full time employment

Has anyone sold a case on ebay or whatever? Is it worth it or will shipping cost eat all the profit?

Got a Pop Air I could do without.

>>102966423
this >>102965565

>>102965666
LOL

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>>102965565
Is this the intel cope version of this?

>>102966297
its not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPLKa4crk8A

>>102966438
not really, especially not on ebay. best bet is facebook marketplace.

Time to accept the loss and jump to red team?

>>102966590
yes

>>102966590
Fuck off, we're full.

Is Gigabyte Z790 Gaming X AX a good motherboard? Searching for some amd motherboards I saw there were issues but now I'm getting an intel and want to know if there are issues like this too

>>102966590
I've always been red team, though I seldom upgrade. First PC was a Phenom II X4 940 and am using a Ryzen 1600 at the moment.

intel-enablers don't deserve good cpus, even (especially) reformed ones
you shouldn't be able to buy a Ryzen without a positive AMD social credit score and being certified intel-free going back at least 5 years

>>102966605
>ryzen 1600
bro, you should get a 5700X3D off aliexpress

on top of being shit, you also have to buy a new motherboard to use these core ultra

>>102966616
I'm just going to get a new one after RDNA4 releases since every part is already obsolete.

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>>102965679
only progress in the last 3 years was the 4090 and soon 5090

since the x080 series no longer supersedes the x090 series, its the only gpu worth getting
think about it, at 50 months usage for the 5090, you'd pay about $50 a month. this means you get to use the best GPU in the world for 2 years, and after the 6090 launches, you will still have the second best GPU in the world for another 2+ years

jensen is greedy, but he is also smart. he has moved the best value to the most expensive GPU

>>102966671
aw man, but 5700X3D is still relevant

>>102966615
Don't care
I enjoyed using my 9900k as much as I do my 7800x3d

>>102965042
Then LGA1851 is fucking shit

>remove hyperthreading
>cpu instantly becomes shit and performs worse than last gen
intel should have known

>>102965042
And Meteor Lake was supposed to be on desktop but that changed too because it was too shit. Arrow Lake is the fixed and improved version of that with the kinks worked out.
I half expect them to (paper) launch Raptor Lake on 18A next year at this point.

>>102966764
they should have accepted chiplet is the future and work on their own interconnect protocol.
instead they started e-core p-core faggotory

>>102966776
>Arrow Lake is the fixed and improved version of that with the kinks worked out.
>Arrow Lake
>fixed
yikes imagine how fucked MTL was

>>102966744
If Bartlett Lake turns out to be interesting (at least more so than ARL) then LGA1700 may live far longer than anyone ever thought possible to fill in the gap for consumers since there's not going to be an Arrow Lake Refresh next year unless something changes. The 10 & 12 P-Core are SKUs were supposedly server-only, but I wonder if that remains true as there's going to be added pressure on Intel to do something with how regressed and expensive ARL is plus the need to replace bad 13/14th Gen chips with a good solution as their RMA inventory is already depleted. 2 years from now Nova Lake may be on a new socket (will DDR6 be out by 2026?).

>>102966779
>but saar ryzen 5 3600 is le bad latency because 2 3 core ccds and uh and uh and uh..... LE INTEL FORUMS SAID SO

>>102966793
>P-core only chip reserved for server
Intel is retarded.

>>102965251
Hahahaha holy shit

>>102966793
>If Bartlett Lake turns out to be interesting
Bartlett Lake isn't going to be Client
https://x.com/3DCenter_org/status/1815839551375695909

>>102966809
so is 14901KE but those are purchasable and work on z790 if you really wanted to

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I want to upgrade my old motherboard to a new one and to get 32G of RAM but I'm confused about which chipset to get for AM4. Is there a point in picking X570 over B550?

Currently have a B450 motherboard.

>>102966823
you shouldnt upgrade from am4 to am4 since its already an EOL socket, keep your motherboard or buy an AM5 motherboard with a new cpu

>>102966823
there is ZERO point in upgrading your AM4 motherboard and buying RAM. At that point spend a bit more and get full platform upgrade

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>>102966823
>I want to upgrade my old motherboard
is this bait?

>>102966829
>>102966830
Isn't that a lot more expensive though?
I'm fine with my current CPU and grafix card, I just want PCIe 4.0 for my NVMe and grafix card.

>>102966841
you can get b650 for like 100

>>102966841
the performance increase from pcie 3 to pcie 4 for gpu and ssd real world performance is minor (less than 3-5%)

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>>102966849
>(less than 3-5%)
Sounds good to me.

>>102966847
No I can't, I need a mini-itx board and I'd have to upgrade my CPU as well.

>>102966888
>Sounds good to me.
well i cant stop anyone from wasting their money, go ahead
though pretty much all x570 motherboards are completely out of stock, they can only be found on the used market

>>102966793
is intel even selling xeons at this point? EPYC seems to be dominating on every single metric

>>102966888
stop being stupid anon, you will spend money and waste 2h relocating your system to a new board, that's all.

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>>102966823
After searching plebbit I have decided to go with a b550 board. Thank you for your help.

>>102966904
I don't see what's so wrong about this. I'm upgrading my ram and my motherboard. It's fine, relax.

>>102966922
>I don't see what's so wrong about this. I'm upgrading my ram and my motherboard. It's fine, relax.
but you can upgrade your ram without upgrading your motherboard? pcie 3 nvme speeds dont even get fully utilized in real world usage let alone pcie 4, and for gpu it doesnt even matter as you only lose 2 fps

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>>102966922
>I don't see what's so wrong about this.
because you are retarded.

>>102966922
Please listen to >>102966930
The motherboard is just a glorified extension cable. There is no need to upgrade it if you just want to add more RAM or swap out the CPU.

>>102966981
Let me be the devil's advocate for a second. Maybe the motherboard is old and low quality and he's worried it's going to give up on him sooner rather later?
Still, if you're going to get new memory anyway, why not just move AM5? Same tier of autism I saw from people refusing to upgrade from haswell/devil's canyon, or x99. Really doesn't cost much to upgrade, and you can sell on your old hardware so it stays in use.
I legit had a guy pay 200 bucks to get the exact X99 motherboard that died on him again used, in 2023. 200, for a motherboard from 2015. To keep using a Broadwell chip. Make it make sense.

>>102967030
>I legit had a guy pay 200 bucks to get the exact X99 motherboard that died on him again used, in 2023. 200, for a motherboard from 2015. To keep using a Broadwell chip. Make it make sense.
some people are too far gone

>>102967036
And then there are people who are the exact opposite way and keep looking for excuses to dump their old platform. "Oh my god the new X3D chip gets 700 fps in this esports game, and my 12th gen core i9 only gets 500! Time to upgrade!" Bro calm down you're still getting 500 fps, it's fine. You can strike a middle ground between upgrading to every new platform and still using hardware from 10 years ago.

>>102967076
this is why you should build a decent pc for around 1500 or less and leave it untouched for 7 years, and then build a new one while keeping your case and storage

>>102967143
That's my plan, unironically. I don't even play video games anymore

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>>102967158
Life is a game.

>>102967030
I did go from haswell to am5. It wasn't a refusal to upgrade, it was a refusal to pay half again what I payed (sic) last time for not more than twice improvement until now.

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>>102967174
>So Life is my answer.
Life is the best RPG...

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Day 568 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>102967196
I'd love to see the benchmarks that finally convinced you to upgrade, maybe I can show them to some of my friends.

>>102967225
You can't wait to get wallet-raped by Novideo, huh?

>I need a faster CPU
>that needs a new motherboard and RAM
>also now that I will have a PCIE 5.0 motherboard i should really replace my SATA SSDs
>also maybe it's time to finally migrate to Linux
>so maybe I should buy a new case and PSU to keep the old PC as a fallback
>and since I'm buying this all just to get a faster CPU, I should buy a 420mm AIO to really get the most out of it
>but all of that is expensive and impossible to rationally justify
>goto 10
Send help.

>>102967239
[spoiler]it was kernel w/ all driver compile times

What is the use case for a RTX 5090?

>>102967271
playing ray traced video games at 1440p >60hz

>>102967271
Playing HoMM III

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Are SSD heatsinks a meme?

>>102967257
Why don't you buy more money, slampig.
I always just upgrade piecemeal and don't really care if some of my parts are older. Who cares. Then again I upgrade every 4 years or so, not the 7+ year upgrade cycles you guys are on.

>>102967239
You underestimate my power to wait.

Will 4x or 6x RAM become mainstream in the future? Or will the standard just jump to 2x32 instead of 2x16?

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>>102967290
Depends on the SSDs, usually the ones that need heatsinks come with them. Overheating SSDs just get slower, most of the time there's no risk of damaging them.
If you simply like your hardware to run cool and lower temperature numbers please you aestetically there are relatively cheap solutions that might help, but nothing really will affect the performance.

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>>102967462
Also some numbers.

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>A new PSU should be ATX 3.0 compliant

How much does this matter if i'm running the RTX 3000 series?

>>102967491
Most AIB Amperes had normal 8pin connectors so it doesn't matter

>>102967491
why would you buy a psu for 30xx gpu in 2024
but yeah the atx 3.0 are better at handling power spikes so they should be better for something like 3090 ti

>>102967462
Virtually every everyone i have trouble fitting the heatsink into the case along with the SSD

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>>102967515
>why would you buy a psu for 30xx gpu in 2024
Because my current decided to give up obviously

Trying to find a beQuiet because the Asus noise drove me insane

>>102966377
>12700K
Only get it if the deal's too good to pass on.
Pair it with the heavily discounted Strix E or Tachi board, those are $500 MSRP motherboards selling for under $250.

>>102966197
How is aliexpress undercutting amazon by that much

>>102966377
the 12700k will be remembered as fondly as the 2500k or the 4790k. it's going to survive nuclear fallout. it's the best....the best.... >>102967512

>>102967633
5800X3D...

>>102967609
Asus sucks dick, but so does BeQuiet. I bought a Corsair RMx in 2017 and I don't believe I've ever even heard its fan spin.
Check the tier list
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>>102967626
you generally see vat + customs fees on amazon prices

>>102966793
>Bartlett Lake
Awful cope. Worse multithreaded performance than 14900K/S and the P-Cores were already pushed as far as it could with these chips.

>the need to replace bad 13/14th Gen chips
This will only be an issue to people who bought prebuilts from scammy builders or the smaller group of DIYers who didn't keep up with the news.
The prebuilt buyers won't be covered by Intel, and the supply issues are going to alleviate over time after the initial wave of RMAs are settled.

>>102967633
>Lowest Average Noise
>Asus is either number 1 or 2

I guess that one specific model is the exception

is the 12300 worth it compared to the 12100?
to replace my ryzen 1700

>>102967798
If you're on AM4 already just go for a used 5600.

>>102967798
just get a 5600 and keep the same board and ram

>>102967290
depends on your SSD. I have a crucial SATA SSD that throttles without it. absolute dogshit model

>>102967762
did you reply to the wrong post or something

>>102967818
>>102967815
well I wrote "my ryzen 1700" but it's not really my system, I have been using it for a year now and the guy I got it from probably forgot about it, but I just want to get my own computer, just for web browsing an simple shit so I need an igpu.
12100 it is, the 12300 isn't worth it. thank you

Why SHOULDN'T I stay on my 4770k & 1070 for another generation?

>>102967290
They're basically a requirement for upper gen 4 drives and all gen 5 drives. If your shit is HMB it probably isn't fast enough so it doesn't need one.

>>102967907
Because you'll end up waiting for about 2 more years.

>>102967907
desire to play video games

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has anyone got the Zen4/Zen5 memory timing table

>>102967907
even a Ryzen 4500 blows the 4770K the fuck out

>>102967938
me on the right, under the newspaper

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>>102967938

>>102967954
thats the one, thanks.

>>102967907
If it works and still meets your needs then who cares
I used a Phenom II 965 and an HD6850 from release for years well up until right before COVID happened and I built a new pc because I couldn't run Doom Eternal

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>game-changing regression
oof

If there weren't gaming regressions ARL would be meh. Not exciting, but Zen 5% territory.
If there were gaming regressions and it was cheaper than RPL it would be alright as a piper cleaner generation.
That's it both more expensive and not a total improvement is inexcusable.

>>102968060
Far Cry 6 is DX12 right? It's supposed to take advantage of better CPUs but instead we're going back to DX11 levels of bottlenecking.

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>>102968156
According to whom?
A reputable site listed in the top 3 results in a reputable search engine is telling me it's number one.

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why can't they beat zen4 in emulation?

>>102968185
I think that is mostly a function of ARL lacking AVX-512 support.

>>102968194
Ryujinx doesn't use AVX-512 at all, RPCS3(PS3 emulator) does.

>>102968205
Then it's gotta be either down to the worse latency or thread scheduling being awful. There's no reason even without HT that the 13700K & 14600K should be beating the 285K.

>>102968205
If it's not instruction set advantage then it's architecture/scheduling advantage. Windows 11 24H2 improved AMD scheduling across the board. For Intel it still varies on a per app basis.

do i buy 265K or not?

>>102968287
You're buying last gen gaming perf with the hope that they fix it via Windows Updates & BIOS updates.

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Since the AM5 die size is 1.57'' x 1.57'' how much should I cut out of my thermal paste film (PTM7950SP)? Should I align it right in the center or a little towards the bottom since that's where the hot spots are?

>linux
>works like a dream out of the box on x86 of all stripes, sparc, powerpc, ARM, itanium, MIPS, RISC-V, IBM mainframes, industrial fisting machines, and hydraulic artillery predictors from WW2 battleships
>windows
>can't support 1 new x86 CPU arch revision per year without breaking something with every update
what the fuck is wrong with microshart?

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>>102968174
Everyone knows DX12 is an AMD cheat.

>>102967954
Realistically which one of the 6000 timings (apart from Buildzoid's which just work) could you run on an 7600?

>>102968342
is this same stuff as Thermal Grizzly PhaseSheet PTM

Civtai banned my account and wiped all my data. My graphics card is a 1060 from 2016 and I have around 500$ to upgrade it. Should I get the AMD card, flux needs 12gb of Vram and only the AMD ones have that much.

Just wait for the microcode update, guys.

>>102968366
Yeah, it's industrial grade, supposedly works really well. I got extra to use since it was highly recommend for my laptop whose pasted dried out, so I thought of using it instead of the Thermalright syringe that came with my PS 120.

>>102968287
if they drop the price maybe

>>102968365
Max RAM speed (if you're not hitting IMC limits) is limited by motherboard quality.
Getting timings tighter than the buildzoid ones depends on your particular RAM kit.
Getting FCLK/UCLK higher than 2000/3000 is down to the silicon lottery.
Too many variables to answer, you either go for the low hanging fruit, or you spend a couple evening tinkering to see what works for you.

Would a jump from 6000mhz to 8000mhz be actaully noticeable?

>>102968156
if theyre werent gaming regressiong ARL would be great
>Better IO than R5
>better board options
>Better overclockability
>Better DDR5 Support
>Bleeding edge tech for nerds

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>pump UNLIMITED POWA through cpu
>barely matches a 120w cpu

The time has come for building a New Battlestation
Mid-High Budget Build

Location: PA, USA (MD, DC, VA accessible)
Budget: $1200–$2000 USD

Current Rig (7+ years old):

CPU: Intel i7 7700K @ 4.20GHz
RAM: 32GB DDR4 @ 1067MHz
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Gaming K4
GPU: NVIDIA GTX 1070
Drive: 476GB SSD Sandisc M2
Monitor: 2x ASUS VG248

Build Goals:

Minecraft w/ shaders, ray tracing on current-gen games
Maxed-out VR for my Vive
Solid multi-media and streaming support
Long-term reliability (5–10 years), willing to invest in CPU/GPU/RAM

I’m looking at two builds but need direction on where to splurge:

Option 1: $2600 (too high): https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7HtQ34
Option 2: $1200 (under budget): https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZWqhDZ

Main Question: Will the lower-budget option deliver a noticeable boost over my current setup?

Bonus Questions:

Are holiday sales worth it, or are there specific price-to-performance sweet spots for CPU/GPU right now?
How do I measure CPU/GPU/RAM bottleneck so I don't overspend on one or the other?

Hello, is this the official "laugh at Intel" thread?

What are the risks of buying a used hard drive?
Seagate Exos 16TB and Seagate Barracuda 8TB.
Seller says they both have 100% health.
Could CHIA mining damage them and still show 100% health on HD Sentinel?
The prices of the drives are really cheap. I'm just looking to expand my PC storage.

>>102968471
its more amazing that its like at 77c drawing 423W
>if you don't think that's amazing , you don't like tech

why are AMD cpus smaller than intel ones????

>>102960595
>>102961135
Still want some opinions on this, thanks.

>>102968482
Temp is irrelevant as the important part of the equation is energy in (as that is heat out).

>if you don't think that's amazing , you don't like tech
Bulldozer didn't like to get hot in absolute terms (tjmax was something like 75c) but would devour electricity.

>>102968493
their pins are packed more densely and their capacitors are on the frontside of the pcb

why so many 4070 super retards lately everywhere? like people who literally cant use a computer properly

>>102968366
yes, but unlike the thermal grizzly stuff, you never know what chink knockoff you get with the mystery seller

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>>102968346
we're hitting a turning point where windows is finally old enough that its catching up with newer hardware. your ntfs file system for your nvme drive is from 1993 and hasnt changed on windows. direct x is bottlenecking your gpu. cpus dont understand dos shit.

>>102968523
Yeah, give the old one to sis and jump on the 7900x3d anon. What are you confused about?

>>102968523
Why would you ever go with NVIDIA when using Linux, specially with a distro like Gentoo

>>102968611
>>102968523
I want to know this as well, I've been thinking about 7900xtx vs 4080S. All the apps that matter use cuda, but the drivers for njudea are a pain to deal with. I want AMD, but since no cuda, should I even buy njudea?

>>102968611
all the best displays need hdmi 2.1

Considering how legitimately broke I am it really makes me wonder if I should just poorfagmaxx and get a 5700x3d with a very cheap mobo that is 100 bucks at most and some extra DDR4 ram to add to my existing 16gb 3200cl16 sticks.
I am currently using an i5-6500 and it's an absolute piece of shit and unusable.

>>102968683
yeah

>>102968611
>>102968673
drivers have been fine for me, and i want to stay on nvidia in the case AI becomes a thing i "need" to do (where amd cards apparently suck really bad because no CUDA)

>>102968679
Yes, and?
All the RDNA2 and later GPUs have HDMI 2.1

>>102968679
You mean dp?

>>102968773
>>102968673
Does Gentoo even ships the nvidia driver? Or the open kernel modules?

>>102968782
No he means all the best displays are TVs

>>102968773
Fucking AMJew cancelled the Zluda project and they are trying to push RoCM. Fucking JEWS!

>>102968796
https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers

>>102968796
IDK anon, I'm a fedora fag.

>>102968809
Actually, does AMD cards have actual VR support on linux? Last I tried, NVidia just dosent support it on my Vive. If I can have a reason to dust that thing off to play H3VR I may go full team red (and hope game capturing isnt as bad as ive heard)

>>102968803
ZLuda is for cucks.

>>102968779
But it only works on the proprietary AMD driver which sucks ass.

>>102968857
What am I missing anon? Isn't it like proton/wine for graphics card? Its like breaking Njudea's monopoly on cuda and all the apps developed for cuda.

>>102968888
>Isn't it like proton/wine for graphics card?
Correct. AMD will still be running CUDA code, which is cuck behavior. Just like proton encourages devs to ignore native and just develop for windows.

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Need more RAM but I don't want workstation/server motherboards

>>102968928
This is why AMD is going to lose. Fuck RoCM. They should support cuda natively.

>>102968477
>Maxed-out VR for my Vive
Get a cheaper CPU and PSU, and spend the savings on a better video card.
You need to wait for the RTX 50 series.

>>102968934
You are at the limit anon. You can't get anymore on am5. Get yourself some asrock rack board and an appropriate epyc processor. Otherwise buy used last gen threadripper.

>>102968480
bump

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>>102968934
>>102968953
The limit on AM5 is 256GB

>>102968994
Buy em, given that they have good health and use them in raidz1 or raidz2.

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>GPU got fried
>it was the only one that fit in my Ghost S1
it's actually so fucking over

>SFF
What drives people to pay a premium for the opportunity to compromise their computer's thermals and expandability?

>>102969054
smol like benis

>>102968683
You could save an extra 40 and go for 5600x if you're absolutely dogshitpoor
It should still serve you fine if you're poorfaggamibg like me, but the 5700x3d is much better bang for your buck if you can spend the extra 40

>>102969054
Smol is cute. If we all targeted performance, we'll be buying a steel box with server fans that sound like a jet taking off.

>>102964571
I've never had a part fail to me and thought "thank god it happened now". It always happened when I was in the middle of something and it completely threw my short term plans out of the window.
Might as well wait to see what amd announces soon, but waiting more than that may be pushing your luck.

>>102964092
what case will accommodate dual GPUs with good airflow?

>>102969054
Bugmen like it

>>102969054
I want a sff for moving it from my computer room to my living room when i want to play on the big screen easily

>>102969362
Why not play over 10g network? You'll not feel it right?

>>102969362
you can just get a full tower and put it on a CPU holder that has wheels on it.

>>102968928
>Just like proton encourages devs to ignore native and just develop for windows.
because the native route from devs is usually terrible.
>>102968603

>>102968953
>They should support another vendor's proprietary black box standard
Retard alert

>>102969054
>expandability
Oh please, don't act like 90% of desktop PC don't have anything more than a graphics card and 1-2 NVMe drives, maybe also 1 SATA

>>102969557
tbf they tried to do that
it just got aborted

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>>102969407
I dont have a 10g network. You need a bit more than a good network to stream and play and another room. I like to emulate which has weird controller setups, better to be on the same hardware.
>>102969438
Its more about the space it takes up. In my computer room its annoying to take out because its in a tight space and when its in the living room it doesn't have a great spot because its a bit big. I used to have an ultra tower I will never go above a micro atx tower again. Smaller the better for me but SFF does have compromises I feel you lose nothing with mATX and I dont even use the extra PCIe slot.

>>102969576
I bet it's because they would break 50 obscure Nvidia patents and IPs

>>102969597
i think it is more of a matter of amd not wanting to be dragged here and there by nvidia-only decisions of api like a cuck

>>102969597
Njudea did not say a think, atleast publicly. This was all AMJew's lawyers.

>>102969647
That's the problem with wine and they keep on trucking. We need a company like valve to back zluda else, its never going to happen. What does AMD have to lose from funding a single zluda dev? AMJew self sabotaging again.

>>102969004
Thanks anon. I guess i'll gamble on it

On a GPU, is 0.125mm too thin for those sort of thermal "pads" from honeywell or laird? Think it'd be not enough to make contact between the die and the heatsink or should I be grabbing something thicker?

If leaks are to be trusted I don't see a strong reason to jump from a 7800x3d to a 9800x3d...