Discussion of free and open source text-to-image modelsPrevious /ldg/ bred : >>102956911Phrenologic Exploration Edition>Beginner UIFooocus: https://github.com/lllyasviel/fooocusEasyDiffusion: https://easydiffusion.github.ioMetastable: https://metastable.studio>Advanced UIForge: https://github.com/lllyasviel/stable-diffusion-webui-forgereForge: https://github.com/Panchovix/stable-diffusion-webui-reForgeAutomatic1111: https://github.com/automatic1111/stable-diffusion-webuiComfyUI: https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUIInvokeAI: https://github.com/invoke-ai/InvokeAISD.Next: https://github.com/vladmandic/automaticSwarmUI: https://github.com/mcmonkeyprojects/SwarmUI>Use a VAE if your images look washed outhttps://rentry.org/sdvae>Model Rankinghttps://imgsys.org/rankings>Models, LoRAs & traininghttps://aitracker.arthttps://huggingface.cohttps://civitai.comhttps://tensor.art/modelshttps://liblib.arthttps://github.com/Nerogar/OneTrainerhttps://github.com/kohya-ss/sd-scripts/tree/sd3>SD3.5https://huggingface.co/stabilityai/stable-diffusion-3.5-largehttps://replicate.com/stability-ai/stable-diffusion-3.5-large>Sanahttps://github.com/NVlabs/Sanahttps://sana-gen.mit.edu>Fluxhttps://huggingface.co/spaces/black-forest-labs/FLUX.1-schnellhttps://comfyanonymous.github.io/ComfyUI_examples/fluxDeDistilled Quants: https://huggingface.co/TheYuriLover/flux-dev-de-distill-GGUF/tree/main>Index of guides and other toolshttps://rentry.org/sdg-linkhttps://rentry.org/rentrysd>Try online without registrationtxt2img: https://www.mage.spaceimg2img: https://huggingface.co/spaces/huggingface/diffuse-the-rest>Maintain thread qualityhttps://rentry.org/debo>Related boards>>>/aco/sdg>>>/aco/aivg>>>/b/degen>>>/c/kdg>>>/d/ddg>>>/e/edg>>>/h/hdg>>>/tg/slop>>>/trash/sdg>>>/u/udg>>>/vt/vtai
i fucking hate flux fuck fuck fuck thread those fucking bfl snakes
yep, it's sloppin' time
>>102964636don't be that jealous anon, it's not good for your mental health
>>102964712jealous of licking bfl's dirty butthole, hoping, no, PRAYING, that one of the two fossilized shits they shat out will be usable if we clean it with enough money?
>>102964744>one of the two fossilized shits they shat out will be usable if we clean it with enough money?isn't that what happened with SDXL though?
>>102964753yes the 2.6b model, wonder how much it will cost to unshit a 12b
Why is ldg quality so low now? What changed?
0/10
flux/10
>>102964760>unshit a 12bthere's not much to "unshit" though, flux is already great as a base model, it just needs more concepts, the work is less significant than SDXL where we had to unfuck the anatomy
>>102964786
>>102964789>flux is already great as a base modelflux dev is, problem is the flux dev licence is dogshit, any work you do on flux will be legally owned by bfl. if anyone's going to pour money on flux it will be schnell
>>102964789Any new concept requires thousands of steps and you have to do it as part of a full train with hundreds of thousands of images, it's not cheap or easy
>>102964807>flux dev is, problem is the flux dev licence is dogshit,I don't want to sound like a doomer, but we'll never get a great base model with the goated Apache 2.0 licence, even if it's the case for Mochi, it's only the 480p version, the HD version will probably have a shit ass licence too :(
>>102964804
>>102964818my point is that it's more trivial to add Gwar Gura onto a model as a concept rather than trying to improve a fucked up anatomy, yeah you need money but it's not like everyone that train model do it for the money, some people just want to improve a model and share their result with everyone
>>102964820yeah.. but the sd 3.5 license is pretty decent, research use and non commercial is free and you only need to pay for commercial if you make more than $1 million in revenue annually, so fingers crossed medium turns out to be good
>>102964849Loras only get you so far
>>102964856>yeah.. but the sd 3.5 license is pretty decentnot decent enough for the pony fag, if he turned down SD3.5 it means that this fucker made more than a million out of ponyXL, which is absolutely insane
>>102964862I never said anything about a lora, could be a finetune that simply adds a shit ton of characters from danbooru or some shit, you know it's gonna work fine on Flux because adding characters is easy enough if you have enough pictures of them, fixing the anatomy on the other hand is another story, and thankfully we don't have to deal with the hard concepts on flux, flux is good on the hard concepts, but not so good at trivial ones
>>102964868ponyxl was a shitly trained model anways, i'd rather someone like the illustrious try a new finetune instead. and that's why lower param count models are better, because it makes finetuning more accessible to smaller groups and you don't have to rely on retard grifters like astralite for finetunes are much. big parameter counts aren't everything
>>102964868>if he turned down SD3.5 it means that this fucker made more than a million out of ponyXLOr he's just happy continuing with whatever he does
>>102964897I get that, I wished we would get Flux dev quality on a 0.1b model, but that's just utopia at this point, the scaling law is a thing and a small model's limit will always be lower than a bigger onehttps://dynomight.net/scaling/
>>102963916This will be great for merges. Seems way better than the previous version. I wonder if it could be used as base for lora training
>>102964917you need to remember that image gen is nowhere near the limits of the transformer architecture like llms are, the text gen space is filled with mega corporations pouring billions into squeezing out every possible point out of whatever benchmarks they are testing on, openai, anthropic, meta, qwen, whatever the fuck. image gen meanwhile is a much smaller market, filled with much smaller companies fiddling around with much smaller models and comparatively tiny compute. i don't see why we couldn't get flux level quality in a way smaller parameter count. maybe not 0.1b obviously but 5b? sure.
>>102964980Isn't DALLE something like 4B?If so, knowing how good it can look, pretty sure we didn't see nothing yet.
>>102964980>i don't see why we couldn't get flux level quality in a way smaller parameter count. maybe not 0.1b obviously but 5b? sure.I agree with that number, a perfectly trained 5b model could match flux dev, and that's why I believe Sana is gonna miss the mark, SD3M too, we need something medium, or else we have little shits or else we got this giant Flux model, there's still improvements to be made, and I won't forgive SAI for giving up on SD3-4b
>>102964988>Isn't DALLE something like 4B?no clue, but openai barely cares about dalle because their main product is gpt and image gen is just too much legal trouble for little potential profit, and it still mogs everything else out there. so i think there's way more potential optimizations and research to be made for image gen, flux is just the tip of the iceberg.
>>102965024>openai barely cares about dallethat's funny you say that because yesterday they improved the turbo distillationhttps://xcancel.com/OpenAI/status/1849139783362347293
>>102965024>it still mogs everything else out thereit's probably because not only they didn't curate nsfw from their dataset, their synthetic captions are probably good because they used a good vlm
>>102965041obviously they are going to make optimizations to make running dalle cheaper, but it's not their main focus is what i meant.
>>102965055>curate nsfw from their datasetstill pissed off that it seems all current release start with a "safety" paragraph just meaning "ok so we got rid of all the useful anatomy data that is porn, because who knows people could generate that"
>>102965088what if you went outside and saw this thing up in the sky trying to inhale the earth
>>102965078>still pissed off that it seems all current release start with a "safety" paragraph just meaning "ok so we got rid of all the useful anatomy data that is porn, because who knows people could generate that"I was born too soon desu, in 20 years it'll be the norm to release uncucked models because there's alaways someone with balls who will dare to do it first and show to the masses that it's not the end of the world
>>102965127It's mostly a matter of compute.And time is with us on that.
The number of steps definitely have an impact>bf16 64 stepshttps://files.catbox.moe/z5r6yu.webm>bf16 200 stepshttps://files.catbox.moe/qvy7jx.webm
>>102965160https://github.com/genmoai/models/issues/2#issuecomment-2434139372>While in preview, Mochi 1 only supports text-to-video. As a quick hack, you could describe the image extensively as the T5 XXL encoder supports long prompts, but that is a suboptimal solution since it'll lose most of the detail. We know I2V is important for the community so stay tuned.nice, a model that can't do image2video is shit desu
>>102965160https://www.reddit.com/link/1gbg4ot/video/dm9ktw05cswd1/player30 minuteshttps://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1gbg4ot/mochi_1animation_24gb_vram_fp8/I was planning suring today to test Q8 but my day has started early :(
ok so I think if we want local Mochi to be as close as possible as the demo, you should go for 163 frames, and 30 fps, looks like this is the settings the model has been the most trained on, I'll provide a video once it's been done
>>102965286If you can do multigpu, maybe it's possible with 2x3090.
>>102965195good that they work on that, it's so much easier so start with an image you already genned or you just want to animate
>>102965299it's already possible if you go for Q8, it asks for 19gb of vram
>>102965286just as a comparison, Minimax videos are running on 25 fps + 141 frames
>>102965286>Mochi>163 frames, and 30 fps5.43 sec>>102965337>Minimax>25 fps + 141 frames5.64 secreally small difference kekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekkSkdWt0mQ
>>10296528630fps seem to be what people render at, wether is the temporal speed of the model or not we don't actually know.
>>102965376>wether is the temporal speed of the model or not we don't actually know.it is the temporal speed of the model, because the script tested a video straight from the API demo of Mochi
>>102965383Thanks. I didn't know that.https://files.catbox.moe/5uu88o.mp4
asp2 wrangling
I've been generating a lot of images and I'm pretty sure messing with the Flux sigmas just gets you less intelligent results (more mistakes).I don't think I'll be touching that stuff anymore.
The most annoying thing about genmo is you can absolutely see the potential but it's just not good enough
This one is almost good >Under the ultraviolet pink and blue glow of holographic advertisements, two young Russian teenage girls in sleek, angular white outfits stand and pose on a high-rise rooftop. The sprawling cityscape sprawls beneath them, filled with pulsing neon lights. The camera captures their movements and beautiful face in slow motion as rain begins to fall, creating a shimmering effect on the rooftopMaybe "teenage" is what their captioner used
>>102966406perhaps smaller resolution gives better results?
Is it correct to say that RTX 3090 (24GB) and RTX 4090 (24GB) cannot run the original 24GB flux1-dev.safetensors at full speed?Because I don't get full speed on my 3090, I have to use the 12GB quant. Is this just a problem with my setup?
>>102966437>perhaps smaller resolution gives better results?I wouldn't know, I'm using the website so I can't customize anything, but there's no point in generating anything smaller than 720p for my usecase anyways
>>102966578have you tried this yet? requires pretty beefy gpu tho>https://github.com/kijai/ComfyUI-CogVideoXWrapper
I replaced "angular white outfits" with "blue leotards" and I got belly. Looks like ages are still inconsistent though >>102966598CogVideoX doesn't gave high enough framerate unfortunately
>>102965708I don't know it works pretty good for 1seagull gens
>>102964980>image gen meanwhile is a much smaller market, filled with much smaller companies fiddling around with much smaller modelsBecause size does not matter, Dalle 3 outclasses Flux at 1/3 of the size.
sd 3.5 likeness seems very bad compared to flux
>>102966720
>>102966821could be user error
>>102966856Also, Emma has changed a ton. She's unrecognizable now.
LOAD ALL THE LORAS
>>102966845Dishonesty at -.05 obliterates the image. Actually, it looks like a Canon 1DX at expanded iso.
>>102966659why is it so BLURRY
31 minutes on 4060ti 16gb GGUF_Q8_0 mochi 67 frames 64 steps.https://files.catbox.moe/0fkt54.mp4Going to use this prompt and see how it comes out >>102966406
Mixuco!
>>102967195
>>102967116>why is it so BLURRYBecause videos are blurryMaybe it's overtrained on bokeh like base flux is >>102967122>Going to use this prompt and see how it comes outSince it's been more than 31 minutes now I'm assuming your result wasn't good enough to post (or too young)
I've seen some pretty good results coming out of minimax/hailuo. Is there a way to run it locally in a similar fashion to comfyui?
>>102967505To get something as good as minimax/hailuo, you'd need 100GB+ vram, but also the model.There is nothing as good locally, nor the ability to run it, and so far I've not been impressed by the blurry mess posted here for Mochi 1.
>>102967486nah i had a shower and made homemade pizza!Turned out reasonably ok, for what it is, Q8 and all.here you go:https://files.catbox.moe/0et1cj.mp4Prompt executed in 1811.06 seconds
>thought I'd have more control over facial features to be be able to better create individual looking characters in Flux>nah
I want my specific fetish to be in the next big AI model.I have 1000 pics manually tagged dataset.Which website do I upload it to make sure it will be added in the next database scrap? danbooru.donmai.us ?
i demand a chibi migu in a suitnow
cozy thread
>>102964600>Model Ranking>https://imgsys.org/rankingswow SD3.5 not even on the list, it must be really shit compared to flux then
>>102968542it's okay to be gay
>>102968530cozy thread to be mass reported
>>102968633clowns r funny :)
>>102968577total janny death and so on and so forth
I am going to see if I can re-inject some images back into mochi. It says models on one side and samples on the other. It doesn't appear to be latents (as I have thrown VAE decode node on it and failed horribly). Has anyone tried this and got anywhere?
is there a word for this? trying to hold dress down while wind is blowing it up
>>102968799You're gonna need a lora for that I think
>>102968799Billowing up/upwards
>>102968694It's so tiresome>>102968799Drop that image to interrogator, should be doable with just prompt
back from the three day ban after posting a "body horror" image (pic unrelated)what did i miss?
>>102968903Sana and SD 3.5M waiting room.
>>102968903>467 KB PNG>back from the three day ban after posting a "body horror" imageWhat the fuck?
can you catbox the body horror i wanna see it
>>102968708I guess I will jump into the code. I think just a few keyframes will clean this up.
>>102967728>homemade pizza!gonna need a finetune for that I'm afraid >here you goThanks for sharing anon they look stylish. Good to see that maybe genmo just needs good prompts + luck because the quality didn't degrade very much at all going from 16 to 8 bit and from the websites model to the 480p one>>102968542Did you change the prompt for ages at all for this gen? This is close enough to the age I'm trying to get so maybe you cracked the code or maybe just got lucky
>>102968937so nothing new?>>102968944>>102926927
>>102969048didn't change it
Prompt executed in 1286.83 seconds. Q8, 65 steps, 73 framesRan upscaling afterwards
>>102969193Looks very nice after rife interpolation
I wonder how often that happens on civitai
>>102969370SHUT IT DOWN NOW
>>102969370BRO
>>102969370kek, close civitai
>>102969370HOLY SHIT AN AI GENERATED NAKED CHILD JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
Is it possible to use a diffusers model with ComfyUI? I trained a LoRA with SimpleTuner and it only works with the diffusers library...
I've been genning some cute libtarts
>>102969664Very cool. I like the painted metal texture. From the neck down, at least. The head... not so much.
Best prompt?
>>102969140>didn't change itUnderstandable >>102969193Yeah this prompt is the best one so far. gonna work on variations of it when I have more time next week
>>102969370lmfao it's also really low quality and slimy. I remember whenever we had some pedo spamming in here they'd always be the worst gens you've ever seen even from a technical point of view. Either it was a case of debilitating mental handicap leading to both behaviors or it was bad actors who don't give a shit about AI image gen and just copied their settings from a civitai workflow.
>>102969664predicting with 99% confidence this one will be prominent in the collage
>>102969193Try and run frame interpolation on it too with RIFE. The frames are all fake generated anyways so what is a few more?https://github.com/hzwer/Practical-RIFE
>>102968876lol, good gen. chainmail didn't quite work out though.The inability of these models to do keyboards and chainmail and things of that nature seems like the next big limitation I'd be trying to solve if I were a researcher>>102968526>448x544based, looks good
>>102969994Chainmail fail is user error. Testing merges with Asp2.
>>102970103ok true it usually looks better than that. Nonetheless regular repeating linked geometry like that isn't the strong suit of these models
>240p upscaled to 480Prompt executed in 261.31 seconds, 5x faster than 480pYou can kind of get something at low resolutions. 240p is probably too low though.
>>102969994Yeah just playing with Pixart
>>102969994Chainmail and similar things are logic problems, same reason why rooms are nonsensical. The AI needs reasoning to understand why things are the way they are, why light switches are placed where they are, for example. It's a complex problem.
Starting to hit my monthly limit on some accounts
>>102970279>some accountsHackermens!
>>102970290I see a futuristic plasma rifle in it
>>102968708Can Mochi be used as an image generator?
Accidentally flipped the width and height, let it finish anyway, surprised it kind of worked.
The sd3.5 branch of kohya appears to work for lora training. I mean, it's running, and the loss looks decent. Anybody know if you're supposed to set the weighting_scheme to something other than the default? There's a bunch of different options that affect both the timestep sampling and the loss weighting.
>>102970444flipper like that dolphin
now that google colab is not collaborating anymore, is there any way to use free sd2.5? (creating 100000 fake accounts on their site kinda sucks)
>>102970321>Hackermens!I was able to make more accounts thanks to my holiday SIM cardThe retarded part is that it says 30/30 monthly gens when there's literally only 17 gens including moderated ones visible in my account
Last one for now>Prompt executed in 583.43 secondsI think this resolution strikes a nice balance, between speed and quality for my 16gb card. Will test more later to see if I just got a lucky seed
>>102969965Link the custom node, but it only has support for up to 4.10https://github.com/Fannovel16/ComfyUI-Frame-Interpolation
>>102970629Yeah I tried it, it's good for CogVideoX which is 8fps not much need for it with Mochi at 24fps
>>102970477>>102970477>Anybody know if you're supposed to set the weighting_scheme to something other than the default?Welcome to the bleeding edge, where you already know more about this than everyone else in the world.And when you're here, you see what you get and experiment by changing the defaults and tell other people about it, and they will know, because you told them.
>>10297064824 FPS is enough to get stable output for 60 FPS video if that is what one wants. Not sure if the glitches would be amplified or not doing that.
>>102970538>is there any way to use free sd2.5?If you mean sd3.5 have at it:https://huggingface.co/spaces/Nymbo/Stable-Diffusion-3.5-Large-Serverless
so is Sd 3.5 a noticeable improvement to XL apart from the ability to do text?
>>102970849T5 is much, much better for prompting.
>>102970648Pretty sure mochi is 30fps?>>102970675I don't see a reason why interpolation would amplify glitches, it just tries to figure out an intermediate frame. Maybe if you're doing abstract stuff or explosions/particle effects I have no idea what I'm talking about though
>>102970405it only has 4 nodes. I am looking into to cracking one open to get to the image gen piece. short answer, no, it can not
I have all the nodes. Assume the position
Any video model can be used as an image generator, you just extract whatever frame you want from the MP4 with ffmpeg and save it
>>102970849Is there a way to have a "general coloration", like this image is blue. I tried "color fog", but it doesn't work, with midjourney it were easy and worked quite nicely
It seems sd3 does not recognize anymore "by author"... So sd1 is still king after all
>>102971023feed it a colored latent, lower your denoise slightly and maybe increase steps
I'm getting extremely confused with training. I've trained around 8 character loras and only 3 of then are generating decent results. I think it might be an issue with my captioning. How do you guys caption datasets of people? I've read mixed results and tried a few but the end result is always subpar...
>>102970988Yeah, it does. I think it's because the workflow default goes to 24 FPS which is why it is confusing but it is quite clear from the blog post announcement.https://www.genmo.ai/blog>Motion Quality: Mochi 1 generates smooth videos at 30 frames per second
>sd3.5_large.safetensors>sd3.5_large-Q[458]_[01].gguf>sd3.5_large_fp8_scaled.safetensors>above ones with "_turbo"which one should I pick?
nice
very opposite opinion
"model" seems to help keep them older than pubescent but my sample size is only 2>young Russian teenage model girl >>102971230>Yeah, it does. I think it's because the workflow default goes to 24 FPS which is why it is confusingShitty defaults and their consequences have been a disaster for the generative AI community
>>102971677what model anon? I like the water effect
>>102969889Probably to ensure that it was unmissably AI.
>>102971068can't people just make loras for it?
I've been trying flux models for a while but I still don't get the difference between distilled CFG and CFG, what is each one for
>>102971873the other does the other thing
>>102971068They had pictures on their dataset with "by author".They threw their tags to the trash.They used a Vision Language Model to create new tags, and it doesn't know any authors.I claim they did this because they are retarded and don't know their value could have been outdo midjourney, which is still king at this.Clit Eastwood was preferable.
>>102971891
>>102970849The ability to tell it where you want the things on the picture instead of relying on noise looking for what you asked for.
>>102971917CFG does not exist in Dev because they distilled it and made it 1.0 the default and unchangeable.Dedistill brings CFG back at the cost of everything else worth using Flux for.
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I'm trying out Verus Vision and holy fuck it's slow
wtf, I didn't type any prompt and it turned the fighter jet into a paper plane
the results are good but damn is it slow
>>102968031Maybe wikimedia commons? Upload them as public domain images?
>>102966229the movement is so fucking good, and in my 100% expert anon opinion the problem's with the VAE which is the one that turns the latents into the image making the finer details and implementing them coherently.I can also see the potential, in this gen you can see the cup of coffee, the coffee stains in the borders of the mug, the coffee moves realistically but then the ships, the part that moves and is detailed looks like shit, that's why I think it's a problem with the temporal part of the VAE. Im disgusted at how close to impressive these look. So close yet so far, how sad.
>>102972222It looks like they are predicted based on motion vectors kind of like DLSS, probably not the VAE
Man, not being able to start with an already existing image in mochi 1 makes awful results.And worst of all, you can only see that after 30-40mn of inference.
>>102972254thats a real drwawing
>>102972262>30-40mnlucky, I wait 1.5h to get 121 frames at 80 steps
>Even Verus Vision is like 35gbPlease tell me there's a way to run this shit on CPU. My poor 3060 can't take this...
>>102972573I wish it was worth it
>>1029726038 or 12GB?
>>10297262612gb.
>>102972654I'm also running Verus on 12GB, but with a 4070 tho. At least memorywise it's doable
>>102972677Oh, shit, really? Is it FP16 or FP8? How slow?
>>102972573Using a 3090@300W, I get 5s at 24fps after 40mn.
>>102972716FP8, genning time is a bit more than a minute at 1152x896
>>102972759Mmm, I see. I hear the details suffer pretty noticeable changes going from FP16 -> FP8, is that true here, too? I've seen some comparisons with other models, it does seem like a bit of a drop.
>>102972817I haven't tried out FP16 Verus and don't have that much experience with Flux yet so I can't tell really. But Verus seems to have fixed the plastic skin issue that plagues all other Flux models I've tried so far, but it's also super fucking slow compared to the ones I've tried before.
>>102972262>Man, not being able to start with an already existing image in mochi 1 makes awful results.Is it difficult to "patch" in image2video? I know that image2image from a text2image model is relatively simple since instead of just a random latent image full of noise you just start the gen with the image itself as the latent space. Why couldn't you just set the latent space of the first frame of the video model to an image in the same way?
>>102972988>Why couldn't you just set the latent space of the first frame of the video model to an image in the same way?Because nobody has produced code for this, of course it's doable, we need a coding genius to figure it out.And this proves ChatGPT is a meme or you could ask it.
>>102972603What? Flux on CPU? Willing to wait 2 hours for a 512x512 image?
>>102972039Imagine it in reverse.
>>102972025Only 3 images and I already hate the guts of that cat.
>>102971917Cute!
seems like 100 steps is a solution for a lot of mochi quality ....issueshttps://github.com/kijai/ComfyUI-MochiWrapper/issues/21
>>102973372oh, I'll try it asap
>>102973372>200 steps makes it even betterthere is no cope settings with this one huh?
>>102973372>>102973438It's over...
is it possible to get any dynamic pose with flux? i wanna do fight poses with it but i always get static standing poses.
>>102973449What? No, this is great, you can get the quality of the unreleased HD already at 480p, you just need to up the steps.Imagine if you could get Flux quality on SD3.5 in 100 steps, people would abandon Flux in a heartbeat, but it reaches its limits in 40, maybe low steps video generation is just like Schnell, so it needs 100 steps to shine.
>>102973495Um, not really, try the Kolors model for that, add the text in postproduction.
>>102973518>45 minutes to generate a 4 second video on a 3090 >this is great
>>102973518I think we all fell into the trap that 50 steps was the optimal point and what the model was good at, well, at least i did.We've been spoiled with SD having small parameter ranges, it seems as you suggest, video models may require more iterations per frame.
>>102973495try repeating yourself with different words and using full sentences.
>>102973550It is what it is, I just batch them before going to sleep and that's it.Until someone inevitably figures a way to accelerate that.
>>102973495The model was fed with shit captions around movement/pose etc, so it's mostly chance based.
>>102973588Text2video is just too random for it to be worth it, for me at least. If it was img2video that would be another story
>>102973610Oh I agree, I think the mochi devs said something about img2video, if they release an updated code with it, it'll be so much simpler to prompt it.
>>102973550>oh god, I wish this technology never existed and that there was no way for me to do this because now I have to wait 45 minutes.
>>102973495controlnet
>>102973628>if they release an updated code with it, it'll be so much simpler to prompt itNeither img2img or ControlNet weren't added by the people that released Stable Diffusion, they were added by the community, if instead of waiting for mochi devs to implement it someone did it we'd already have it.It's rocket science but we have rocket scientists.
>>102973667see picrel
Is there a browser for the rereleased LAION dataset yet? https://laion.ai/blog/relaion-5b/
>Prompt executed in 1444.05 seconds100 steps. Only 60 frames tho16gb VRAM
>>102973702Interested in Mochi stills generator. anon said he's looking into how to do it.
Man, seeing more big youtubers make anti-ai videos is so weird when AI capability is constantly improving. It's like two parallel worlds.Godot reddit community just banned AI too.
>>102973806If reddit is against it, it's probably the truth.
>>102973806why are so many people against AI and getting so Butthurt over it?did people also chimp out like that when Photoshop became a thing?shouldnt people be happy that more tools exist now that can help one make great content?
>>102973847>why are so many people against AI and getting so Butthurt over it?They're uninformed mostly.
>>102973847>why are so many people against AIIt's scary.
>>102973847>why are so many people against AI and getting so Butthurt over it?Every other video is about moral panics around ai, no surprise the result is this + extreme way over the top hype that sold something that doesn't exist, aka perfect flawless ai.And fucking openai that cannot stfu about selling their stuff like it's nuclear weaponry to increase the hype and get more investors.>did people also chimp out like that when Photoshop became a thing?Yes but it was way more subdued since social media weren't amplifying the thing left and right.>shouldnt people be happy that more tools exist now that can help one make great content?Obviously, but just look at how misinformed the average normie is around this.What a normie sees every day are videos on how ai is evil, and another gazillion shitty ai made youtube videos/shorts with synthetic voices there to cash in easy money.
im finally satisfied with the state of a gigachad lora, just training the base illustrious version (i gen on noob 0.5 and trained first for it) and ill have a full post in an hour or so
>>102973930i was really quite pleased with how it stabilized dynamic poses, which made me put in extra effort to deliver a clean 1.0 version
>>102973847Yes people really were butthurt when people started using tablets to digitally paint. They used the exact same "you're not a real artist" argument, said to professional artists that were switching from easel to iPad.
>>102973914>What a normie sees every day are videos on how ai is evil, and another gazillion shitty ai made youtube videos/shorts with synthetic voices there to cash in easy money.it makes perfect sense to see people holding the simultaneous idea that ai is super dangerous to everything while at the same so useless no one will use it lol
>>102973955>Everything that was made before I was a teen is normal and part of life, everything invented after is dangerous and should be heavily controlled or banned.Classic.
>>102973978I just think it's hilarious that these people write about ebil AI on the internet, the single most disruptive thing to ever exist that has cost millions of people their jobs.
>>102973955That's different since it's direct input vs directing. You aren't the artist, the AI is, you are merely trying to guide it to get the output. Using AI to generate images is more like you comissioning an artist, only that the artist is an AI in that case.
smells like 2023 in here
>>102974004that was my fart
>>102973995Distinction without a difference, same arguments every time, I don't care after that. The fact is digital painting made art more accessible which means less commissions and less art supplies being bought thus costing people jobs. It's just a removal of a huge barrier to entry because traditional media costs a shit ton of money thus if any retard can buy a $200 tablet and paint it threatens the old guard. The end.
>>102974030There are literally professional artists working right now that have never used traditional media. Let that sink in. Just as there will be AI artists that will work professionally that have never picked up a digital pen. Don't seethe because people have removed the need to use a crude tool to draw a picture.
I literally am an artist tho
>>102974030Current AI generators don't allow the translation of ideas and the level of fine tuning that a skilled artist has by simply drawing by hand.As long as AI does not allow the same amount of fine control it will not a replacement of an actual hands on creative process. Once we have art generators that allow this level of fine tuning in real time it will be superior/equal to hand drawn art, but the current descriptive approach will not be able to do that.
>>102974083If I generate a 1000 images refining a prompt until I get something I like, I'm an artist because I ultimately made the final picture. Feel free to seethe all day about it.
>>102974022open a window the smell is getting worse
>>102974097I do both genning and drawing and they are different things, and genning does not allow the amount of creative expression that drawing by hand does. It's its own thing, but as of now it's closer to photography than drawing and painting, as in taking a rough concept and the nrearranging it unti lyou get something you like.
>>102974122As someone with an art degree and have done multiple paintings, I completely disagree. And as the AI gets more complex in the ability to take direction and refine a picture through words or annotations, even that point won't be valid. But it doesn't matter, we've already established that randomness is art. If you throw paint randomly until you have a final composition that you like, that is art. No different than hitting the generate button.
>>102974154>As someone with an art degree and have done multiple paintings,
>>102974097>I downloaded a book I'm an author
Trying that 100 steps for a video idea, my gpu is a space heater constantly spewing out 300W, thankfully it's becoming cold so it's kind of useful.
is there any recommended lora for flux?
did someone piss of /ic/ or something
>>102974185>I sprayed diarrhea from my asshole on a canvas. I'm an artist.
>>102974199I had marginal success on 1 test, it's better but my scene was inhently blurry due to the prompt, it's late here and i've gone stupid.I will have a crack at it tomorrow if someone hasn't coded img2vid by then lol
>>102973702Let me show you picrel from here:https://huggingface.co/playgroundai/playground-v2.5-1024px-aestheticThat was promised in February 16th, and we are still waiting.Don't trust anyone when they talk about their plans about the future, eat your chocolate now because the scientist that promised you two pieces may never come back.People should assume they'll never provide image-to-video for mochi and do it themselves, or we could be asking where is it 8 months from now.
>>102974241>someone hasn't coded img2vid by then lolsometime autism is surprising so who knows
>>102974206I strongly recommend an artstyle lora (just download a bunch and pick your favorite) because Flux sucks at style. Also loras decrease generation speed quite a lot so you might want to instead merge it or use someone's checkpoint.The Turbo Alpha lora is good for speeding up your gens while you refine your prompt.
>>102973847>did people also chimp out like that when Photoshop became a thing?There's the concept of hard work, that anybody deserves what they have if they worked hard for it, learning how to use Photoshop requires skill so it's respected, someone outdoing a skilled photoshopper by clicking a button will not.The same happened when photography was invented, because people assumed making a great photo didn't require hard work.
>>102974266thanks anon
>>102973761local video models should be focused in img2video and deliver quality in smaller resolutions to save computing power, that is the only way to compete against cloud services>>102973847AI feels bigger than photoshop, the photographic camera, any new technology so far
>>102974244sure but I still hope they deliver loleither way I'll be happy
>>102974122>genning does not allow the amount of creative expression that drawing by hand doesIt does, you're just not using the tools right.>I can't figure how to express my ideas creatively with AI generation, so nobody else can, so nobody does
>>102974266>The Turbo Alpha lora is good for speeding up your gens while you refine your prompt.I should've added - it's good for speed but it does reduce quality a little.So it's for writing your prompt, but not for finalization.
>>102974257If it's not there tomorrow morning EU hours i'm going to frustrate myself using a new install and env and gpt4o and try to lolzcode it. I've not coded anything since 68000 assembly. so like, don't depend on me.
>>102974308How much faster is it anon? Compared to just go with fewer steps and a smaller resolution?
>>102974288>AI feels bigger than photoshop, the photographic camera, any new technology so farOnly for people that spent decades of their life mastering their craft only to see other people outdoing them with some text and a click.This isn't really bigger than mass production of chairs, that you spent so much time learning hoe to make the most comfortable one and now nobody will buy it because the fabric made 100 ones at 1/10 of the price and people don't know the difference because they haven't sat in yours, and even then, they'd rather save the money to get something else, so you wasted your life.It's just that most people didn't live in the industrial mass production revolution, so this feels larger than life.
>>102974221True anon if you put it this way then yes you're also an artist
>>102974313well good luck, someone having fun with this will hopefully figure it out, the model without img2video is kind of sad after all
>>102974221Using ai is like being a manager. It's not easy, but it's not really art. Only metaphorically.
>>102974397It can be art, but you're closer a movie director than a graphical artist. I don't get why some people are so adamant about pitting it against handdrawn art, despite some outputs looking similar they're entitely different processes
goddamn you are fucking retarded anon
>>102974475gonna cry?
is brap posting still a thing?
>>102974495Brapposting is eternal
>>102974397You can use AI to enhance what you created manually or as an assistant.
>>102974505promptlet
>>102974457I don't get why people care so much about being considered artists, hampart is a kind of art done exclusively for profits, the whole NFT Monkeys fiasco was the peak of it, so not all art is good and not all artists are good so it's not necessarily a good term to be associated with.I spent hours working on picrel, it's not art? Good! Who cares about that.
>>102974530i've always seen it just as gacha rolling for cool looking pictures.
It doesn't matter what someone else thinks. All that matters is how you feel on the inside. How do you feel on the inside, anon?
>>102974515???
>>102974550>felt recoil>recoilless>soulless space shooter
>>102973942Not bad
>>102974530As said it can be art, but it's not hand painted art just as it is not a photography orca theater play
>>102974530I mean, I could doodle, paint, produce music, etc. before AI so when I tell someone that (in real life) they usually stop saying "you're not an artist" since I mainly use genai now.
>>102974606until the computer can make pretty pretty pictures without needing a human to prompt it the human is the artist simple as
>>102974606art really requires an artist, and ai art is artistless. therefore ai art is artless. They are images. This distinction is important to understand, but while philosophically accurate, what I said won't shape the vernacular, people will say ai artist and ai art, though neither exist.
>>102974642I used an LLM to generate this prompt:>>102974576>... a still life featuring a wicker basket overflowing with a variety of juicy, ripe apples, set against a warm, golden background that evokes a sense of autumnal coziness. The apples should be the main focus of the image, with some of them spilling out of the basket and onto the surrounding surface. Incorporate some subtle, natural textures and shading to give the image a realistic, tactile feel. The overall mood of the image should be inviting and appetizing, making the viewer want to reach out and grab an apple.
>>102974642When you comission someone to draw a picture for you are then you the artist?
>>102974656you still had to give the llm instructions, no matter how vaguethe image didn't arise out of the ether
>>102974576
>>102974664it can't be like commissioning a human if the computer is not sentient. again, we had this discourse over a year ago once AI started to actually look like what it was trained on.if you say "prompting is just commissioning" they you must also say "the computer is just a human"
>>102974697>muh sentiencemeaningless word. you can absolutelly make prompting an ai be like commissioning a human, without making the ai sentient.
>>102974697The computer isn't a human of course, but it is the agent that creates the image. It fulfills the same role as a human artist here, it takes your instructions to turn them into an image. You are not involved in the creatipn of the image besonders giving instructions. So, if you aren't the artist when comissioning a painting why would you suddenly be the artist when comissioning it from an AI?
>>102974643Nothing you said is accurate. The prompter is the artist.
>>102974753>you are not involved in the creation of the image besides being involved in the creation of the imageYour concession has been accepted
>>102974737>>102974753i dont want to accuse you of not interacting with AI at the same level as myself and others ITT but i am struggling to come up with another explanation for this phenomenonif you are under the impression that the only way's to manipulate latent space are through words then you have much to catch up on in the end, >>102974550 is correct and none of this matters. if one person says they're an artist when they use it and other says they themselves are not - neither can exude that onto the other. just gen, anon
>>102974762So someone who comissions a painter to draw a painting for them is the artist who painted the image?
New >>102974813>>102974813>>102974813
>>102974796Did you accidentally include my post in there? You did not bolster your use of the concept of sentience.
>>102974803A traditional comissioner? NoA comissioner who is sitting right there the entire time directing the painter? Yes, how is this even a question.Are directors not artists?
>>102974844>you can absolutelly make prompting an ai be like commissioning a human, without making the ai sentient.okay, so do it tell me how
>>102974869>Technology will never be like that because I can't imagine itAnd other things people have said throughout history, only to be proven wrong every time.
>>102974666No, you don't. It can generate text based on the random seed.
>>102974886And monkeys can write shakespeare. What the fuck is your point?You do realize that the technology is irrelevant to the fact that it does in fact translate human intent into something else?
>>102974876never said that it wont be in the future. i said it's clear that it's not right now. so answer my question >>102974886fair, however i'd argue that your choice of LLM, image model, etc still means you are the ultimate decider. i'll only agree with you once we have literal robots who are functioning members of society
>>102974918>so answer my questionAsk one>durr how do am thing workis not a question its a piss poor rhetorical
>>102974935>Ask one>>102974869>>you can absolutelly make prompting an ai be like commissioning a human, without making the ai sentient.>okay, so do it tell me howim beginning to think you're being disingenuous, anon
>>102974943retard lmao
>>102974918And what if humans cease to be functioning members of robot society?
>>102975103come back when you learn how to do more than just prompt >>102975115good question
Can Flux do actual recognizable people yet? I tried like two weeks ago and it couldn't even get a celebrity's hair color right. Sure as fuck knows what Geralt looks like though. I'm currently convinced they nuked all popular celebrities from their training sets to dodge controversy.
>>102975136reading comprehension
