>Wikishttps://dmpdoc.neocities.org/https://web.archive.org/web/20220330105340/https://rentry.org/dmpdochttps://rentry.org/dmprockandroll/https://mu-sic-production.fandom.com/wiki//mu/sic_Production_Wiki>/g/ makes a 14th albumTheme: 90s TranceDeadline: December 31stPlease post titles and/or cover art>IMPORTANT! READ THIS BEFORE SUBMITTING:Upload the file somewhere and post the link here. If you want to update your track, make a new post.If possible use a lossless format and upload to a file-sharing service, not to a music site like Vocaroo or SoundCloud.Include the title of the song in the post. Don't rely on us reading it from the filename or tags.When you post the submission make sure that the song is clearly a submission for the album, otherwise it might get skipped.Songs that contain anything against YouTube's policies won't be uploaded on YT (but will still be added to the album).If your track's volume goes above 0 dB it will be clipped for the release.>Where can I hear the previous albums?https://rentry.org/dmpalbums-----A board dedicated to all aspects of music making and audio would be great for many reasons. Here's why:https://pastebin.com/ZHXhfRZwIf you like the idea, let 4chan know at https://4channel.org/feedback (under Board Suggestion)-----Previous: >>102926672
>>102987589I dont know how to make trance can i add some boom bap instead
>>102988256No, u learn.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuZftwsN7hY
I think I'm going to just let my computer upgrade itself to Windows 11. Is it going to fuck up my plugin registrations and whatnot? Anything I should be aware of?I'll have backups of my projects on an external drive. Not sure what else to do.
>>102988878Back everything up and do a fresh ltsc install
What can I spend money on so I can make music
>>102989239daw, midi keyboard controller, audio interface
>>102989265which which which
>>102989136>ltscI don't want Russians to get my money.>>102989239A midi controller that comes with an Ableton Live Lite license ;)
>>102989308Ltsc is an official release from Microsoft>>>/g/fwt
album inspiration research materialhttps://www.discogs.com/group/thread/721036https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Gu7CXfRdAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy1g-DbEl-Q
>>102989300https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFCiyKwWjeQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br2a6XxMZ5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcxlVt6iJ4Mi think pic related is right, these presets don't impress me. even just to study them to figure out how to do my own sound design, i think the time and effort could be better spent elsewhere. or am i just jaded
>>102991070yeah im of the opinion you dont need big expensive plugins with 3D waveforms
>>102989136understanding software? what, do you think this is a technology board?
>>102989239$50 acoustic guitar from craigslist
>>102993976>t. ed sheeran
i really like this synth
>tfw born too late to write theme songs for 80s sitcomsdamn, i could have been a gajillionairethis should be the next contest though
>>102994563>>tfw born too late to write theme songs for 80s sitcomsyou wouldn't own the music, get no royalties and would only get payment for the work (if you're lucky). seems fucking depressing to me. if you want to know how bad things were in the 80s (they were really fucked) do some reading about Shuki Levy and his business partner Haim Saban. they used nothing but ghostwriters and the original musicians weren't credited or even compensated properly. start here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuki_Levy?useskin=vector#Saban_Entertainment
>>102994681let me have this one, anonlet me live in my slap bass palace of lies
>>102994745nice. understandable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nPTZqnIfFM
What does the envelope really do anyways?
>>102994945https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9rm9OeYa4k
>>102994681also danny elfman was paid more royalties for his voice samples than for any of the music he wrote for the sompsuns
no new plugin, just another meterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErZcCehjpGQ
Ableton sucks so hard for MIDI, it's not even funny lol.
>>102996620is this from rutracker? they have schizos who are full of cope and spread disinfo because they think giving bad advice will give them an advantage over otehr producers. midi editing is such a minor detail to fixate on anyway compared to sound selection and fx processing etc.
chicken garaage is so goodso nice to see tj back in the groove
>>102996963official ableton forums are full of people begging for better midi support
>>102997120that quote is from 2011, i don't have much to complain about in 12.1
>>102997174>no midi event listthey never fixed the problem lol
>>102997240not sure why you would need to edit midi events in such a low level way, seem like baby duck syndrome
>>102997240They did add it in the form of a M4L device.
>>102997867>one thousand ninety nine dollars subscribtion bi-yearly to get a midi event list that you could get in any sequencer post-1986
>>102997956>ableton doesn't have x feature>yes it does>o-only in the full version, not in the cheaper options w-with fewer featuresIs this really the argument you're going with?There are also free third party utilities like https://github.com/gbevin/ShowMIDI
>>102998379Do you work for Ableton?
>>102998822I'm correcting you on something incorrect you said and now that you can't weasel yourself out of the blunder you made when needlessly responding so defensively, you're calling into question the reason why I'm correcting you, as if the only people who can have an opinion are those who benefit from it.Next time just say "huh, didn't know about that, thanks". There's nothing wrong with not knowing something but doubling down because you can't admit something so inconsequential is very embarrassing.
https://youtu.be/VfU7Cx6l9Ik
>>102999081lol. What a time to be alive.
>>102996620ableton's midi support has always been very low effort. as much as i enjoy using ableton, i have gone back to using reaper fulltime because its midi support is brilliant.>>102997342> not sure whythe absolute state of this board.>>102997956this anon understands>>102998379>third party utilitiesshould support it out the box like every other capable daw in existence. and that anon was right, many sequencers in the 1980s onward had very flexible editors for midi events. i don't why people wish to defend ableton when everyone knows it's only a few millimeters up the ladder above fl studio and several meters below reaper, cakewalk and protools. ableton has a long way to climb.
>>102999162>defendingYou have a legitimately low IQ.
>>102989136https://archive.org/details/win10_iot_enterprise_ltsc_2021_x64_cleaned
>>102999180> noooo! not muh ableton!literally fl studio but with extra features. besides that, the only person here with any low iq is you, retard. when is the livestream suicide planned for? don't forget to put on your ableton live t-shirt so we know it's actually you.
>>102999278QED
>>102999270Thanks, bro. Glad the archive is back up.I was going to download this break collection, but they got hacked before I could initiate it.https://archive.org/details/allthebreaks
>>102999270Yeah I wouldn't trust an ISO that's not from Microsoft or that couldn't at least be checked with an official hash.I'd rather take the (very minimal) IoT LTSC bloat desu
>>102999334cope harder, faggot.>>102999373> iotunless your computer is a cash register or atm then don't bother with that trash.
>>102999725Man I wish Hiro replaced the captcha with an IQ test.Unknowingly having to interact with a child, or someone with the reasoning ability of a child, should be classed as a violation of human rights.
>>102999822> duuur iq test> says the drooling retard that's spent 3/4 of the thread trying to defend garbage softwarewhat a fucking loser. lmao.
>>102999162>i don't why people wish to defend ableton when everyone knows it's only a few millimeters up the ladder above fl studio and several meters below reaper, cakewalk and protools. ableton has a long way to climb.Hello 2005 anon. Did you know, there has been an update from live 5? Lmfao
>>103000071Yes Anon, everyone is as direction-brained as you and only says positive things about their "team" and negative things about everyone else.Truth doesn't matter. Only defending the honor of the thing you've associated yourself to matters.Nuance? A balanced opinion of the different options? That's just you being sneaky and trying to manipulate me into agreeing with your side.You're almost certainly just trolling, but seeing how many people on this site, the rest of the Internet, and even real life think, makes me extremely mad every time.People this stupid need to be sterilized, and ideally killed.Anyone who says "you're defending X" in an argument should also have every direct relative sterilized as well, just in case.
>>103000508>>103000337>>102999822>>102999334>>102999180
>>103000508>>103000659It's not even the same anon. Kek meds. Where did Ableton touch you?
>>103000698One guy or two makes no difference. Both have said the defending thing and both need to die.
>>103000775>One guy or two makes no difference. Both have said the defending thing and both need to die.What was that thing both said? Cause I'm unclear what your issue is again with Ableton?
>>103000838Stop baiting dude. Read the thread if you actually want an answer.I'll stop talking to you or any other retard in this thread now.
>>103000867>Read the threadI've read the thread, and it's the same old, devolving into personal attacks with no real (Issue). Some crap about the midi, and some "Oh it's better than X but not as good as Z" So I'll ask one more time. What is YOUR issue mate?
>>103000867Don't worry I'll wait while you get your chatbot response ready. I got all day.
>>103000966>I got all day.Clearly
>>103000508>>103000659>>103000775>>103000867
>>103001084>ClearlyThat' was called sarcasm. Learn how to see it before you use it.
>>102999162ableton has midi monitor built in, you still haven't explained why you would want to EDIT such events
>>102997342Kek, so you ARE an Ableton employee.>>102998882>not denying you work for Ableton>>103000337An update? They've had SEVEN major revisions since then and never fixed the problem.>>103001371You don't even know what the MIDI event list is... do you? A mere MIDI monitor isn't the same thing. Now, say thank you SIR, because I've helped you become a little less retarded just now.
>>103002314>Mass reply fagDon't feed this troll
>>103002367OK Abletonjeet.
>>103002379>OK Abletonjeet.(YOU) jeet say what?
>these threads are curated by the same person who's selling the temu garbage in /csg/Now it all makes more sense.
>>102994514nice, I used tal bassline and juno a lot way back
>>103002435>curatedWhat do you mean?
>>103002505>Whatkek>>103002420
>>103002579It's 'disableton.'
>>103002585'(You)thanaze' yourself
>>103002662You never did actually deny being an Ableton shill.>h-hey guys are you excited for the latest minor revision to Ableton! whoa better upgrade now!
>>103002668You're talking to multiple different people.I'm the guy you originally called an Ableton shill, and you're right, I'm not going to deny it because it's true. You get paid 1 Euro per thread on any of the supported forums (they added 4chan early 2023). It's part of the Ableton Certified Trainer program and honestly it's a good way of making ends meet.Fun fact: There are a lot of youtubers you might know in the AGMO Discord.
>>103002743>There are a lot of youtubers you might know in the AGMO Discord.Impossible, because I never watch anything on Youtube.
>>103002763>>103002743>AGMO Discord.wut?
>>103002763But you post in these threads where people talk about them, so you most likely heard of some of them.
>>103002796Ableton Guerrilla Marketing Operations. It's where they organize all the shilling.
>>103002797Nah I tune out that garbage too. In fact when I see people talking about Youtube, I use 4chanx to kill the whole reply chain.Sometimes I will come into /dmp/ and kill off the reply chains responding to ads, plus the context-free jewtube posts that idiot schizo makes, and it eliminates like 99% of the entire thread. It didn't used to be this way, clearly most people who actually make music here have moved on.
I designed a /dmp/ logo for the cover and since some Anons mentioned wanting a proper logo for all future covers I tried to throw something together that can be used in different styles.
>>103002810take your meds. it literally makes no sense why you would want to edit midi events at the hardware level instead of in the piano roll. literally GIT GUD and use the software the way it was intended. or be a little crybaby bitch shitting up the thread with disableton spam to deflect from your own ineptitude.
>>103002826Could you try a version without the rounded corners to make it look more techy/sci-fi-ish?
>>103002819I don't give a fuck about you, you dumb piece of shit."X you might know" is a common colloquialism for "well known X".https://www.ableton.com/en/shop/
>>103002930Yeah, I can make a version with sharp edges and no curves later.
>>103002961You're gonna die in the Ukraine lol.
>>103002971Cool.I'll fuck around in Illustrator too
>>103000698>>103001091>>103001371>>103002367>>103002420>>103002961> spends many hours shitting up an entire thread crying about how people don't like abletonanon was right. you are an absolute fucking loser. please kill yourself, thanks.>>103002314>You don't even know what the MIDI event list is... do you?they don't. these fucking morons have no idea how anything works and never had to deal with real midi gear.
>>103003092kys, this is like complaining about how photoshop doesn't let you hack into the hardware functionality of your camera... it's just stupid
>>103002971>>103003072Nevermind lol
>>103002826/dmp/ radio in forza horizon
old school 90s progressive techno>wiphttps://vocaroo.com/1vjIL3cPR83v
>>103002819kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MdABLcI7RImusic is such bullshit like this is just mostly reusing the old bond theme and twisting a few knobs on his gear
>>103005744>https://vocaroo.com/1vjIL3cPR83vI really really fucking enjoy this but I think the bassdrum starting at 0:51 has a bit too much bass for my taste and the pitch could be a few notes higher imo, a bit more thumpy but also not that loud.The choppy voice sounding synth starting at ~1:17 throws me off a bit, that might sound better half an octave or a full octave lower.But overall that sounds spot on, bretty gud Anon.
>>102991070this guy thinking this is too old and i'm thinking this is too new
>>103006113ok yeah it's a matter of perspective. i was thinking they should be next gen like doing something new and better than the old. but it's dull and generic slop that sounds like what a teenager would make in his bedroom in the late 2000s (not exactly but you get the sentiment).listen to the instrumentals, i think they used physical synths with analog distortion similar to darude sandstorm:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9K8-3PHZOUnow if i choose the right software i can load up some presets and tweak them and get some fucking dope analog-ish sounds with crystal clear fidelity, use an arpeggiator and get some vibes going straight away. like what the fuck are some of the top tier producers doing with fucking muddy omnisphere and such
>>103006107https://vocaroo.com/1adzg8vaC9Uelike this?I've increased the pitch of the kick, equalized it so it's not so bad or too distorted. for the choppy voice, I still haven't figured out how to get it to the perfect pitch, not least because it has a lot of chorus, but I've tried. and also, thanks for the feedback, I'm really putting a lot of effort into this song, I also really liked it, I really like badass songs like it.
>>103006362There we go, that hits the spot.The chorus was way too harsh in the first mix and is way less distracting this way.Bassdrum now fits the mix much nicer.Tingles my nostalgia a bit, so subjectively this sound quite authentic to me.
>>103006004if it sounds good it sounds good
>>103006701especially in the past though when there was more of a monoculture and more difficult to find high quality stuff we had to endure so much shit or just mediocre songs. i personally think gorillaz clint eastwood is such garbage for instance. we put up with iggy azalea and other cringe that was shoved down our throats when we had a free trial of deezer and deezer used a compressor for loudness normalization so it was even more fatiguing to listen to than with the shitty audio we had at the time would have already been. i want to make my own music and prove a point basically like i'm not a good singer but maybe i can come up something technology or theory wise or whatever.
>>103006797lol
>>103006988https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNFpYlughkwthis was one of those deezer songs
>>103006362I enjoyed this futuristic-y2k-vampire-rave-techno-infused-action-acid-soundtrack. Would kick vampires in the balls and throw wisecracks to.
>>102991070>>103006701>>103006988stop replying to the headphone general schizo
>>103006362I added a pad, melodic and atmospheric elements because I want it to be trance and appear on the album. :)>wiphttps://vocaroo.com/1kVrKMoplFkY
>>103006107Nice, love the beat. My only gripe is when using that old sample, you really need to drop the bass in.
>>102996620Is there anything unstAbleton doesn't suck at?
>>103008144I got cracked Ableton12 but just use Reaper instead.I want to like Ableton but I make a track and everything is going fine until I need to do autimation or side chaining. Ableton is shit at both. They need to add automation clips like Reaper has. Sometimes I jam about in Ableton and if I get something with potential I have to switch to Reaper to actually finish it.
>Ableton is shitskill issue
>>103004111Very clever.Even though I know what I'm looking at, it kind of reminds me of that Sony Walkman alien mascot. In the top example he's looking straight at the view (or maybe down and to the right) and in the bottom example, he's turned his head and is looked up and to the left.
>>103008592<skill issueNah many skilled artists have problems with it. DLR and many others i've seen in interviews bring up specifically having to use LFO tool instead of side chaining which is a problem because it drifts out of sync LMAO. 38:50https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VYqaYi0nhY
is this legit or pointless if you already had good sound design to begin with
>>103004111looks like /m/
>>103008811>straight at the view>turned his head and is looked up Holy brain damage. Should I go get checked out? What the fuck... I am not an ESL.
>>103009329>just get a plugin for your pluginthis is the mental illness of computer music faggotry
>>103009637i guess the baller option would be to go with outboard gear but i think plugins should be able to work well if they are programmed correctly and maybe even better than analog gear because there is no signal degradation in the digital domain. but it's so hard to find plugins that sound as good as top tier hardware.
>>103008838>plugin schizo doesn't understand sub frequencies>plugin schizo doesn't understand arrangementof course
>>103009755if it works as well as the description implies you could use it on basically anything and it's a separate thing from arrangement, it would be more work and you wouldn't get the same effect just adding extra instruments in a ridiculously low octave
>>103007491>futuristic-y2k-vampire-rave-techno-infused-action-acid-soundtrackAs opposed to future-y2k-vampire-techno-rave-jazz-fusion-action-liquid-acid-BPM-remix right?
>>103009825>it's a separate thing from arrangementi pose the question WHY would you would add "subharmonic" (sub bass specifically) and what situation would you (you specifically) be in where this would be a problem in the first place
>>103009709Outboard gear is cheaper than ever now. Cheap as plugins.
>>103009931it would be another tool in the toolbox just like normal saturation. for example when using a synth emulator you won't necessarily have the fine tuned controls to add extra oomph. or anything else like a piano etc>>103009959https://kmraudio.de/black-box-analog-hg2/
>>103010002Your exception proves my rule.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZv9RrDhCDothis has controls for even/odd harmonics but still no phase ffsand i don't necessarily want just pure harmonics, probably something more analog sounding to be equivalent to what they used in darude sandstorm and the hampster dance
>>103010082>darude sandstorm and the hampster dancewait is plugin schizo actually based? :0throw in some crazy from and brittney yuh
Maybe some inspiration for all of you doing the 90s trancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeYQIUZLb-M
>>103009959of course older gear is cheaper, people are scared of having to solder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlSoYZ1bwwc
lofi jungle tekno shit wip normally I do more ravey hardcore stuff or trancehttps://vocaroo.com/1mjjZfbG0tmI
>>103011211Oh shit; I love this. The amount of dirtiness is absolutely perfect.
>>103011326To crunch the breaks I used Amigo sampler plugin to give them some lofi bite.
>>103011422I've been thinking about picking that up -- saw version 2 released recently. Might wait to see if they put on a little sale for black Friday, but that'll probably be unlikely because they're just a couple of dudes.
lmao a lot of these seem redundant, they're adding analog sounding saturation/compression
https://audioz.download/software/win/266628-download_izotope-neutron-5-v500-read-nfo-r2r.html>The installation of our release is much smaller than the legit version. Original copies 10 duplicated 250MB DLL files to the every plugin installation.>The original installer adds Track-Assistant path to the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. However, we found Neutron5 tries reading from HKEY_CURRENT_USER. This leads TrackAssistant crashing. Our installer adds path to both HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE and HKEY_CURRENT_USER to solve the issue.If you're not pirating in this day and age you are simply super stupid.
>>103007897the last minute or so is rly nice
>>103008811>>103008873Kek yeah I can't unsee that now.>>103008856Mecha-themed album when
I just don't understand how parallel compression is really different from normal compression with a smaller ratio. Imagine a normal compressor with the threshold at 10db and a ratio of 2. Below 10db it does not affect the sound at all, and at, say, 18db it compresses the peak to 14db.Now imagine an absolute fucking smashing limiter at 10db, run 50/50 in parallel with the og signal. Below 10db it does nothing, and at 18db it compresses to... 14db.So what's the difference that makes parallel compression supposedly so special?
>>103013416sorry I don't think my math is correct because you can't add dBs like that, anyway the point is clear I hope.
>>103013416where parallel compression shines is like in andrew scheps' "rear buss" method. you send everything but drums/percussion to a parallel compression channel and slowly bring that into the mix, it helps bring the level up and fill in some of the gaps even at a low ratio so the mix sounds more fullhttps://youtu.be/2CCzT7WlKAA?t=310
>>103012529do people really use that much saturation and compression on masters?
>>1030030927 replies, 2 U's, Hello Saar.
>>103013416Parallel is to bring up the quiet sounds ithout changing the transients of the loud stuff as the original transients are mixed in
Sonarworks SoundID is a game changer.It can flatten the curve of your headphones or speakers (even yours is a bit different from the included average profile of your model, it's still a definite improvement), or it can turn it into a different curve, like a typical smartphone, a car, airpods, etc.Highly recommended if your listening equipment isn't really top tier.
i'm looking for a VST host to replace equalizerAPO because it's broken abandonware.rutracker has an outdated version of steinberg VST live, people say it has teething issues since it's a new software, you would want a newer version. cantabile has a free version. some people use reaper for live performances but is that even better than ableton live at that point. it seems retarded to always have ableton live open to route my windows audio through because i would want to work on projects at the same time and it's overkill in resource usage when not working on projects. cantabile lite would be lighter in resource usage?
>>103017926Or just use IEMs EQ'd to taste. I always see headphone and speaker fags having problem not hearing the sub, but with IEMs I hear everything clearly. $20 IEMs with EQ is as good as $500 headphones and $1000 speakers. Of course I'm talking about the FR here, it's literally impossible to compare the energy. A bigger cone is going to move more air, so you'll feel more energy, it's the only appeal of going bigger
>>103019021Sonarworks IS the EQ.It's just precisely set to the opposite of the curve of your model (there are IEMs too) so you're as close to the ideal frequency response as you can possibly be with your gear.
i don't understand why you'd apply random eq curves you didn't calibrate yourself. where is the logic for that?
>>103019156modern audio gear is fairly consistent, you can use objective measurements as reference (headphones/IEM need fancy head/torso simulators so you can't easily measure them yourself) although take the measurement with a grain of salt especially in the treble frequencies
some speaker reviewers have fancy measuring gear as well so they can get the equivalent of a measurement in an anechoic chamber
>>103019143The issue with Sonarworks and similar is that I don't agree with the idea of a "flat" FR, I prefer to just EQ to taste and reference other tracks. I'd say the only real way to mix is by referencing, it's just that the guys that don't use references and still come out with really good mixes probably have been doing this for 10+ years and it's burned into their brain how a mix should sound like. If I EQ to "flat" I still have to get used to it like if I EQ'd to anything else, but the problem is that I don't like how "flat" sounds, so every time I'm going to make music I'd have to switch to this FR that I don't like and then switch back to the one I like when I want to just listen to music. I'd rather just keep the FR that I like all the time because I'm intimate with it.
>>103019156Because even if the curve they measured isn't perfectly accurate, the resulting response is still going to be much better than using the headphones without it.
>>103019156>logicchasing some perfect listening situationwhile obviously you should care about good monitoring, returns diminish, and, completely contrary to the dumbass who's hung up on it, monitoring is absolutely not going to be the bottle neck of why your music sucks and it won't make your bad music more enjoyable, only slightly less shit in the best situation.
>>103019389lol cope, anons can't discern the quality differences between different synths, some anons even tell you to use a 48khz sample rate, you're basically crippled and you don't even know it
>>103019367That's just you being used to the old one. Listen to the flat one for a while and you can get used to it relatively quickly.If you mix with reference tracks you're going to A/B them with Sonarworks on anyway.It's kinda like getting a new pair of super flat headphones to mix with. They're not worse just because they're different than the less flat headphones you like."To taste" is too arbitrary imo.
>>103019195>modern audio gear is fairly consistentComplete bullshit which you'd know if you ever owned audio gear and made music. Microphones, amps, speakers, etc. all vary model by model. Headphones are no different
>>103019389>this easy thing that improves your ability to mix a bit isn't the biggest needle-mover so you shouldn't care about itWhat a fucking retard. Kill yourself.
>>103019465manufacturing consistency within the same model
really struck headphone schizo's nerve lmao
>>103019475I literally said you should care you stupid faggot
>>103019552They're not. There's tons of variation within the same model
>>103019553imagine trying to mix on phone speakers, it's a joke trying to get anything resembling professional quality, the average anon has unwarranted confidence in their consumer tier setup, headphone/IEMfags also have the wildest ideas about what makes music good or bad, they think some random video game soundtrack like in cave story or runescape is masterful while songs with billions of streams all suck
>>103019456"flat" is pretty much arbitrary, it's "flat" to what? At least "to taste" means you'll just use a FR that you actually enjoy. For example, basically anything "flat" doesn't have enough bass for me, so it's clearly not "flat" to my ears. Everyone is going to have slightly different taste. Also, a lot of placebo going on. I'm sure if someone made an experiment of giving $50 headphones and $1000 headphones to people to mix a track, but secretly they both have the exact same speakers, I'm sure almost everyone would say their mix done with the $1000 headphones was miles better because they were hearing nano details with it
>>103019586I could 100% do a better mix than you using phone speakers and I’m in no way exaggerating.
>>103019612*tips fedora*
>paying money to willingly introduce phase shift to your headphones from eqlmao
>>103020005the headphone/IEM anons are wild, they spend years autismoing while refusing to learn about phase and such. i'm wanting to migrate from equalizerAPO to a VST host so i can use a higher sample rate and convolution and then i'm gonna try to figure out phase correction filters with REW/rephaser.
>>103020046ok nigga go ahead but only post again when you finish a song ok
>>103020005I love paying for phasing issues
>>103020005you could put a linear phase eq on master but that introduces an annoying amount of latency
>>103020087lol it's gonna be so easy to make a demo track, i have so many things prepared. obviously a professional grade song would take longer to make, even professional artists can go years between releases.
>>103020113And yeah you dont need to pay for this, there is data showing headphone frequency responsehttps://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/tree/master/resultsI think anon stated that there's variablility even within the same model but idk if it's worth splashing the cash to fix minor differences
>>103020046that sounds retarded. that's meant for rooms/loudspeaker playback and not people producing music
>>103020146music producers need to listen too lmfao. phase smearing is literally the thing that fucks up your fidelity once you have the basics like frequency response and signal to noise ratio under control.
>EQJust get it right the first time retard
>>103020170https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LV4LZQOad8
>>103020170i'm well aware, i doubt that it's as useful as trying your mix on a bunch of different things and if you really cared then having a mastering engineer look at it. applying eq is not going to fix a shit room/speakers
>>103020329bro, most people don't have access to the best of the best mastering engineers. for example tate mcrae's songs are muddy and only some of her songs were successful. i wouldn't even use omnisphere in the first place because i know it sounds muddy. but someone like you wouldn't know that there's an issue with omnisphere, you're fumbling in the dark.
>>103020431you don't make music though so why do you care? go back to jerking off with your reddtior audiophiles
>>103020474seethe
>>103020490not seething, laughing at your pathetic life and lack of an argument. concession accepted
>>103020609projecting
>>103020888The only words you know to use for arguments are "seethe", "projecting", and "insecure"You're a useless brainlet that thinks they're useful as a hanger-on to people who actually create things
>>103020952lol for instance now you're just sour graping and antagonizing me about wanting to fix my monitoring setup and making up stuff about how you don't need good monitoring gear, you can just randomly try different car/bluetooth speakers etc. meanwhile in any other profession it's common sense that you need good tools, for example a photographer or cinematographer would need to see what they're working with on their display and not just hoping that it will look decent enough on some random consumer grade phone screens etc.
someone made a song with and without oversampling and polled r/audioengineering redditors, the majority couldn't tell the difference but the minority could correctly tell which one was oversampled. so you get redditors who praise VSTs without really knowing what they're talking about because they can't hear aliasing etc. a layperson could probably tell that keyscape isn't the best piano VSTi when given other examples for comparison like pianoteq, pianoverse, vi labs modern d. most professional pianists could also tell you that keyscape isn't the best. guess what, keyscape is from the same company as omnisphere. they both have that shitty veiled sound to them.
>>103020609Hello saar. ---->/gif/--Imwf
>>103021732Design matters to acoustics, that said yeah same chips same sound also emulating audio chips is a joke
>>103019588Are you the guy who doesn't produce but thinks he's an audio expert?
>>103020005There's a linear phase mode, and you can always turn it off if you want.>paying moneyLmao
>>103023742>There's a linear phase modeenjoy your pre-ringing and latency
>>103023733>mouth foaming retard can't identify the schizo
>>103023751And I could say "enjoy your imperfect frequency response".Different options have different pros and cons.Only a retard would dismiss something because of its cons while ignoring its pros that make it the right choice in some situations over others.It takes me literally one second to click the on)off button to check if it introduces phase issues significant enough to throw me off, and it's well worth the pro of making my headphones be as clear as a much more expensive model.
>>103023766>mouth foaming retardEverything I said is objectively correct.
>>103020129>lol it's gonna be so easy to make a demo track, i have so many things prepared. obviously a professional grade song would take longer to make, even professional artists can go years between releases.Nice larp
>>103020129>even professional artists can go years between releases.but they're constantly making stuff in between releases and not shitposting on 4chan
Since I play bass and generally understand synthesizers, I find it easy to make things but have a hard time with the drums, as in I can imagine decent things overall, but when I have to program in the drums, I blank out a little bit, while bass/lead etc is all easyhow2do?Additionally, how is FL studio in terms of battery consumption (compared to others)?It's all I use, and have recently installed it on my laptop, so I want to see what eats less juice
>>103024491carmine appice, realistic rock drumming
>>103024505Thank you very much, will snag thisAlso in general, any idea on how to prevent 'blanking out' when trying to convert an idea into music?I get vivid ideas, especially when very drowsy, but then I just blank out when I try to record themI don't think it's a memory issue, rather lack of mechanical skill and practice which causes the brain to freeze when the idea has to be executed mechanically
>>103024454*Thisbtw "Love Story" by Taylor Swift - Mostly, it's writing and recording was completed in just a few hours, and "Shake it Off" was done fairly quickly as wellI could go on from Outkast to Bruno Mars to the Beatles but you get the idea. I hate these larping fags so much it's unreal.
>>103024524>>Also in general, any idea on how to prevent 'blanking out' when trying to convert an idea into music?persistence. that's about it.> rather lack of mechanical skill and practiceyou need to put in practice to get ideas down otherwise it won't get any easier. it's easy to give up when frustrated. you need to work past that.
>>103024491>Additionally, how is FL studio in terms of battery consumption (compared to others)?like all daws, it depends on what is going on. are you loading up dozens of VST plugins pushing CPU to its limits? then yeah, it's going to eat battery - no matter what DAW it is.
>>103024591^ this anon knows. i find it funny reading things on this board and on /mu/. people talk this big game about writing music and it's all talk. they could be writing out bangers of tracks yet they're moaning on a basket weaving forum. some anons just don't quite get the process. they need to do their talking and shitposting AFTER they've done something, not beforehand. they don't practice enough, they just larp and talk with no results.
>>103024631>people talk this big gameThey talk like they're the love child of Han's Zimmer and Rick Ruben? Smh.Let me tell you, my old music director would have roasted these fools (bad). I'd put money none of them can read music past egbdf/face novice.
>>103024814>They talk like they're the love child of Han's Zimmer and Rick Ruben? Smh.something like that.>Let me tell you, my old music director would have roasted these fools (bad)and it'd be well deserved>I'd put money none of them can read music past egbdf/face novice.highly likely. larp until you make it. if you ever go to reddit, r/synthesizers is full of these dudes. they got all the gear but no idea. seems no matter how many thousands of dollars they spend, their output is mostly garbage. in the last two years i've used that site, i think i've ran into less than 10 people that actually had skills and produced amazing music. i wish i was joking about that. people like the idea of making music but when it comes to writing they don't want to put in any effort or learn.
>>103024926>they got all the gear but no idea. seems no matter how many thousands of dollars they spend, their output is mostly garbage. I hear you, It's like the guys who buy all the gear in the game. It's the story over and over. from music to working out in the gym. You see these guys go for a month than quit or take a cycle when they don't get instant results. In music they sample or rely on "presets" to do the work for them, before you know it all the presets are used up, everything kinda sounds the same, cause spending time working with the shape with the adsr, layer, (creativity) comes from the individual not the software.
>>103016139That's what everyone says, but I just don't see how it is true. Bringing up quiet stuff while leaving loud stuff the same is exactly equivalent to bringing down the loud stuff while using make up gain. Just a wording difference.
>>103025128>everything kinda sounds the same, cause spending time working with the shape with the adsr, layer, (creativity) comes from the individual not the software.yeah that's very true. i saw a short video of snoop dog and dr. dre a few days ago in some interview. they were talking about the state of hiphop in 2024. one of dre's biggest issues of today's hiphop is everyone sounding exactly the same. everyone is using 808 samples and downloading the same software with same sounds and not doing anything original.
>give SunVox a shot>it's peak comfyI found my new hyperfixation and I'll probably never finish a song with this.
I’m starting to think making neuro might actually be fun how do I recover from this I don’t want to make lame music
>>103025819A transient has a certain shape where it ramps up in volume , holds , then releases. The compressor doesn't just turn the whole shape down equally. It fucks the shape up because the compressor has attack time hold and release itself so it reshapes the transient depending on the settings you put in the comp. The compressor acts like an ASDR envelope on the volume. So if you want the shape of the transients to stay the same parallel comp keeps the raw transients unshaped.
>>103027193Just make whatever you enjoy at the moment, don't hold yourself back out of pure contrarianism.You can always apply the things you learned to other genres later on.
>>103027316> Just make whatever you enjoy at the momentIs that what people do..?I’d be making 90s alt / post hardcore and 2014 dark trap beats
>>103027367>I’d be making 90s alt / post hardcore and 2014 dark trap beatsSo why aren't you making them?
>>103027439They don't capture my interest or inspire any desire to explore.I feel as if most people (hobbyist music makers) take it for granted that everybody has the same motivations (or at least *I* forget all the time anyway) and has this 1:1 thing where obviously everybody makes what they listen to or have some emotional attachment with and wants to BE their idol or something but nah
>>103027184> and has this 1:1 thing where obviously everybody makes what they listen to or have some emotional attachment with and wants to BE their idol or something but nahmany people start off like this but they grow and develop their own sound.
>>103024631>>103024814you're being retarded too by larping about your mozart tier songwriting/composition while neglecting technical production quality and sound design
>>103027184It's a pretty great app and I am jealous of the dev's work
>>103027824> coping, seething and denialyou're the kind of abject failure anons were talking about. >while neglecting technical production quality and sound designnobody is neglecting it. this is the only thing your single digit iq can reply to because your prolapsing anus is twitching out of rage. everyone will always be better than you.
>>103027281How can that be true? For example take a slow attack that lets some of the initial peak through, then squashes what comes after. Either you do this at a high ratio, then add it to the dry signal in parallel. Or you use the same slow attack at a low ratio, not in parallel. In both cases (if you tweak the ratio/mixing proportions correctly) the final transient shape would be basically the same.I think there's some kind of magical thinking about parallel compression desu.
>>103027947>projectingyou've been doing this for 10+ years and have no commercial success to speak of. you probably have shockingly weird taste in music like you're into some 2010s dubstep or some variant, or random old video game soundtracks that sound like some amateur bleep bloop shit (the cave story dev was just some japanese kid who had no prior experience in making music), and you struggle to believe that anyone could sincerely enjoy songs that get billions of streams
All lfos should have built in options for jitter and timing drift and also have a fucking noise shape.I don't understand why every dev hates me and is trying to ruin music.
What is the mathematical ideal amount of overlap and rate of volume falloff between two sounds for the cleanest possible mix though
>>103028518yeah i've had plenty of frustration in trying to find good software/plugins because i don't have a cancerous attitude like "whatever, my songwriting is on point, send it to a mixing/mastering engineer, let someone else deal with it"
>>103028801Don't talk to me close your fucking eyes you're not allowed to read my posts
>>103024591yeah the writing isn't fucking rocket science, the main challenge is the production aspect, like how the filming of a hollywood movie can be done relatively quickly and then it's years of post-production, someone like ice spice most people don't think has talent but her producer made it work
I wanna see your peacock, cock, cockYour peacock, cockYour peacock, cock, cockYour peacockI wanna see your peacock, cock, cockYour peacock, cockYour peacock, cock, cockYour peacockI wanna see yourSkip the talk, heard it all, time to walk the walkBreak me off, if your bad, show me who's the bossNeed some goose, to get loose, come on take a shotCome on, baby, let me seeWhat you hiding underneathI want the jaw-droppin', eye-popin', head-turnin', body-shockin'(Oh, ayo, oh, oh, ayo)I want my heart-throbbin', ground-shakin, show-stoppin', amazin'(Oh, ayo, oh, oh, ayo)Are you brave enough to let me see your peacock?Don't be a chicken boy, stop acting like a biotchI'm a peace out if you don't give me the pay offCome on, baby, let me seeWhat you hiding underneathAre you brave enough to let me see your peacock?What you're waiting for, it's time for you to show it offDon't be a shy kind of guy I'll bet it's beautifulCome on, baby, let me seeWhat you hiding underneathI wanna see your peacock, cock, cockYour peacock, cockYour peacock, cock, cockYour peacock, cockOh my god, no exaggerationBoy, all this time was worth the waitingI just shed a tearI am so unpreparedYou got the finest architectureEnd of the rainbow-looking treasureSuch a sight to seeAnd it's all for me
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=S31SXGCQEncespecially in EDM with deadmau5 and such, their fanboys mainly cope that he had the production quality, that people who dislike his music don't have good speakers/headphones, the writing is extremely dull but he was extremely successful
>>103028518Yeah things like that are why I normally just use synths as just oscillators, with effects and modulation being handled externally with Ableton stuff (obviously in some cases using the internal stuff is better or even the only way, and for those cases I feel you).With this approach it's much rarer to be hindered by a lack of features IME.
>>103029032remember when every music production forum was just "how to get sidedchain compression like dedmauz???!1111"?
>>103029075That can be nice but how the hell do you make a polysynth then though?It would be more logical to use an external lfo with the features you want and just map it to the vst control you want. Used to do that loads in fl.
>>103029075Depends on the time of the month for me but that's generally the approach I've evolved into as well.For no other reason than possibly literal autism and brain itching, I have historically tried in vain to stay as neat as possible all in the synth...the "fuck it" sound design stuff gets quarantined into its own stuff and printed so I don't have to look at it for too long, which is actually necessary for arranging this type of music actually, but uh...ANYWHO this morning I have discovered a M4L lfo that is like 80% of what i've always wanted.Picrel. Reesey mess actually pretty simple so far first time real ZFilter use lol
>>103029123You mean having separate per-note modulation?In those cases I have to decide if using the internal stuff is enough for what I'm trying to do, or if I have to go through the hassle of running parallel chains.
>>103029193yeah nvm I thought you did filters externally too but for a polysynth, probably not
>>103029172Yeah it does feel neater and "pleasing" in a way lol, but I can't resist the flexibility.>stuff gets quarantined into its own stuff and printed so I don't have to look at it for too long, which is actually necessary for arranging this type of music actually, but uh...That's almost always the most productive approach too.>>103029217Yeah if I need something like that I'll typically use some internal effects (usually the filters, as you figured) and some external ones afterwards, based on what's more convenient for what I'm trying to do.But I usually do weird sound design shit where it either doesn't really matter, or it absolutely needs the separate parallel instances.
>>103028022> talentless sex offender seething> just randomly guessinglmao. the absolute state. you will always be a loser.
>>103029111stop replying to spam bots.
>>103030041sorry
Max 9 just dropped. What do we think bros? Not sure if I'm going to upgrade.
>>103030372Literally just installed 8 yesterday cmon man
>>103030017i'm not guessing, it's a pattern of behavior with you anons, you make some neuro bass or drum n bass that no one cares about on a commercial scale. other anons have been shilling old bleep bloop video game soundtracks as well.
it's like this in general audio discussions or pretty much any hobby, people get stuck for years holding on to autistic ideas that don't hold up in reality, but especially in audio and in music people have an excuse to cope that it's all subjective, when it's so clear to people like me that production quality is important, for example ylvis - what does the fox say was written as a joke but the production quality was on point so it made people lose their minds, like rebecca black - friday but on steroids
>>103030372The CLI is pretty neat, and the ABL objects look extremely interesting for us hacks.The illustration mode debugger thing could potentially also be useful.Overall it looks pretty good to me.It doesn't seem to have fixed the ancient problem in M4L of having to choose between having an internally modulatable parameter and a parameter that gets saved with your Live projects or presets, which sends me in an uncontrollable fit of rage every time, but whatever, maybe in version 10.
>>102987589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4
>>103031449You keep posting these songs to back your point that your supposed ability to produce polished and hi-fi music is enough to give you fame and success, but you fail to realize that the more mainstream a genre is, the more factors such as personal appeal, branding/image, how already established and famous you are, how well connected you are, etc play a role.It's unquestionable (and frankly beyond obvious) that if you time travelled back to the day any of those songs were made, killed all of the people involved, and released it yourself (either from the exact file you brought with you or by somehow recreating it perfectly), NO ONE would listen to it. And that's even assuming that you would get signed at all.It's also even harder today, since hi-fi production is much kore accessible and widespread now, meaning that your flawless production is not going to stand out and give you fame and success just for being hi-fi.This is so incredibly obvious that I can't imagine someone being naive AND stupid enough to write the things you write. Everything you post is the exact combination of things you'd post if you wanted to maximize (You)s by appearing as a deranged delusional dumbass who says inflammatory things.It's too unrealistic.>inb4 cope, seethe, etc.
>>103032132stupid strawman argument and delusional, most people can't make polished music so they don't have a chance regardless of how good the songwriting is, your perception of what counts as polished is off because of your lacking audio, and the supposed composition and songwriting of many of the tracks that anons praise isn't even good, it's just bleep bloop video game soundtracks and such, nothing that takes mozart tier skills to write
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLQHc6J9N0notice how he talks about meeting his producer and remaking the track with synths, that's where the magic was, composition wise you could come up with something similar if you just tried in good faith, he didn't have decades of classical training
>>103032251undertale ost is literally bleep bloop vgm and it's insanely popular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtMlB-BEMsothings like this were bleeding edge at the time mainly because of the sound design and production techniques, no one is arguing that this track is going to be jerked off to hundreds of years into the future in the same way as beethoven's symphonies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDXJmWXFFjMespecially in EDM there are countless examples of cringe because there were relatively few people who could do the production up to professional standards, meanwhile the songwriting was cringe a lot of the time
>>103032251>stupid strawman argumentWas this a preview of your following words to retain our attention?Damn, I never thought I'd see youtuber tactics in 4chan posts.
>>103032507cope, seethe, etc.
schizo is schizing
LMMS still hasn't released an installer after years despite a very active repo, like wtf
anon is probably 50 years old by now, some nerd who played classical instruments, and is on some wishful thinking about how he's going to write some genius songs that will make him successful regardless of his dated sound with 48khz sample rate etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMq-I0dejjEhow many songs by literal whos have you heard with a beat as dope as this? the literal whos in similar genres, who can still get streams a lot of the time, tend to be not exactly geniuses, they'll do some mumble rap type deal with heavy autotune and muddy production. so you're being quite pathetic by not allowing yourself to be as good as even those literal whos.
>>103032545excuse me, i am only 39, STILL play classical instruments, and am going to write some genius PIECES once i retire. few will hear them and i will definitely not be successful, but i will have satisfied my soul with 32kHz sample rate.
>>103032744stop replying to the schizo shitposter
>>103032322and suspiciously enough he also never made anything interesting after that Just listened to his last 2 albums, so boringSandstorm was ghost produced
>>103032754i usually don't, but i felt he was specifically calling me out with that one.
>>103032743I KNOW you’re trolling because beats like that are a dime a dozen fuckin everywhere but you are NOT allowed to listened to girl music go make your own NERD
>>103032993beats like that SHOULD be ubiquitious because it ought to be as simple as loading up the right software that would presumably have a similar enough preset, but you don't seem to be hearing the specialness of the beat, i'm not just talking about some generic muddy bassy beathere's a random example that still has 650k views in a week which is pretty good, and the quality doesn't come closehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R3hj9F6SJg
i could open up my DAW, not even plug in a midi controller, just record a virtual synth on an arpeggiator/sequencer, it would sound so fucking dope, but the effect would be lost on you because you're not hearing what i'm hearing through your shitty audio
>>103033238The noise floor hiss on my mic is a complex symphony on par with Beethoven, but you couldn't tell because of your piss poor excuse for audio. You need to "hear" it to understand what i'm talking about
How to minimize unintentional gain from multiband (compression) ?So far in some a/b/c'ing i've noticed pro-MB is obviously outperforming ableton's MB compressor.... in linear phase and possibly oversampled it *appears* at first to maybe add gain slightly less often but what it does add is not really less (still 1 or 2 db)Doing some autistic loud shit where very small amounts of gain like that are significant, of course.
>>103033400mb comps are going to be adding a bunch of phase shifts around the crossover points so be wary of what goes on there and how you set the crossovers
>>103033554another thing would be the attack and release time constants are more like 1/5th of the total time so you might have to fiddle with that a lot more.i rather process things in parallel than use multibands
>>103033584>1/5th of the total timei.e set things faster than one would expect?there's actually a shit load going on that i just didn't mention but the most relevant context is that i'm chopping a fairly minimal (arrangement wise) track but the chops are of very long, dense material with really jumpy frequencies, and the subs are causing distortion later down the chain, so i'm trying to get them to sit in the appropriate pocket without completely neutering them.As of now i've got pro-mb sitting in the middle of of the final dynamics/saturation part of the chain capping things at -6 and it's doing the job adequately, but I can't quiiiiite get to 0 lufs without the unbearable distortion.... only half exaggerating
>>103033649compression introduces distortion, no getting around that
>>103033662watch me tryi just wanna be puuuuure and leave no footprints in the snow bro clean like a money machine but insanely break check if your speakers broke fuck shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNt2uLxKabsthis is fucked, the software never comes quite close enough to the hardware, seems you'd need tens of thousands worth of outboard gear to really get to top tier production quality
>abl3 is the best software emulation of a 303. ANNA used it before she had the hardware.literally who
Whats the deal with VCV rack, i was getting really into making music with it then took a break and came back and i cant remember the exact details but i like couldnt get it working ever again because now they want to force people to pay for it to be able to get a fucking VST to actually use it, and i couldnt fucking find anywhere to download the older version of the program or something, i guess that wouldnt even work because you'd then have to download the modules from somewhere and probably not find them anywhere either.. i pretty much gave up on music entirely in my life at this point after being obsessed with it for over a decadeis it even possible to get vcv racks VST and some modules working without paying them 150 fucking dollars or what
>>103028022>you probably have shockingly weird taste in music like you're into some 2010s dubstep or some variant, or random old video game soundtracks that sound like some amateur bleep bloop shit (the cave story dev was just some japanese kid who had no prior experience in making music), and you struggle to believe that anyone could sincerely enjoy songs that get billions of streamsno one in this thread will ever make a track better than the menu theme for timesplitters 2https://youtu.be/STE-CDpYuKA
>>103034290The standalone version is free, the VST is paid
>>103034290https://github.com/DISTRHO/Cardinaloh ok sweet nvm i guess
>>103034290cardinal is good and free, the vst plugin for vcv doesn't really work
For some reason, FL studio started fucking with my headphones which makes it harder to hear. It's only when FL studio is on, the moment it turns off or I turn the headphones off then on again, then it goes back to normal. If I keep it open, it will always go back to the crackling after a while. What is causing this?
>I turn the headphones off then on againlmao
>>103027824>you're being retarded too by larping about your mozart tier songwriting/compositionYou replied to two different anons having a convo. So I don't know who you are talking too? I never did that and I would challenge you to prove otherwise. You reveal yourself every time you post in this thread. Torrent all the samples, use chatbots, use ai, use google. Make a soundcould, Make twitter/x, make a youtube channel. Buy all the waves plugins, buy all the gear, get Fl studio, then transition to Pro tools only to realize it wasn't really worth it. shit on reaper, shit on ableton, shit on ardour... Shit on everyone and everything...This will never get you respect to the non-feebleminded, and will never be a producer. Happy Halloween Sir.
my guitar plugin spooked me
>>103030385> i..im not guessingas other anons have stated, you are a loser. you wish you had any skills at anything. the only solution for you is suicide.
