Why would any one pay $ 789,99 for a Motherboard?Now i know X807Es have cheaper models models too, but there is big list of options to choose from.Are X870Es just about paying the bios and options taxation?
>>103152866stop being poorotherwise just wait for b850 like everybody else
>>103152866all i need
>>103152866overcockers would buy that board to run ddr5-8400
>>103152866they need to be melt proof for the latest CPU housefires
>>103152866X870 boards are worthless, same shit as last gen boards with miniscule differences(wifi6e vs wifi7 wowza!) and a slightly different design.
>>103152866PCIe-5.0 and Gen5 nvme slot by the bucketload
>>103153288It's all fucking shared.You use more than one PCIe M.2, you loose lanes on your 16x slot. Use all 3 slots and now your second PCIe slot is gone.There is no "bucketloads" here.
>>103152866>why?lifestyle product
>>103152866If you're poor, go get yourself an X670 board for less than half that. Neither your meme NVMe SSD or your poorfag GPU are going to max out PCIe 4.0, let alone 5.0.
>>103152866why? the best overclocking board is $120
>>103153120>>103153288is there a single, single PCIe board?
>>103152866Because you are retarded, pic related is all you need and it costs half
>>103154668>no 5g
>>103154512are you asking for mini-itx? gigabyte has one coming soon>https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X870I-AORUS-PRO-ICE
>>103154668>3 pci-e>in goes gpu>in goes 10gb nic>in goes sound blaster>in goes sas hba... hang onAnd this is before you hook up >1 NVMe.
>>103154795>white
>>103154668Just get the non pro, the elite or whatever the fuck it's called. The ONLY difference is that the pro has a qualcomm wifi7 chip instead of the mediatek one on the elite, but if you're just using it on your home network the mediatek one is fine. Or you could just buy a x670E and give up usb 4.0 and pay 2/3 the price
>>103152866Why would anyone pay for a Lamborghini?
>>103154807>gpuOk?>10gb nicUsb. Not that you need 10gb on a home computer lmao>soundblaster>using soundcards in 2024>sas hba>hardware RAID in 2024>nvmeDifferent slots. X870E has 46 pcie lanes which is more than enough for your pile of junk
>>103154807>hbaBuild a proper server/NAS for that. >sound blasterOk boomer, sound cards are objectively inferior to external DAC/AMPs
>>103154896>Usb. Not that you need 10gb on a home computer lmaoSSDs have existed for a long time, and are fucked by your coomertoy 1, and even 2.5, gigabit ethernet.>using soundcards in 2024Tell me you've never had a home theater setup without telling me you've never had a home theater setup.>sas hba>hardware RAID in 2024Imagine being such a coomer that you believe these statements are equivalent.
>>103154913Just what I need, YET ANOTHER machine in the theater room. Or maybe I should just sling 50 meter ethernet cables around my (large) house, hmm?I know /g/ is poorfag central, but c'mon guys, not everyone is satisfied by your coomershit.
>>103154939>Tell me you've never had a home theater setup without telling me you've never had a home theater setup.The same to you, actual high-end home theater setups use HDMI to surround receiver, fucking larper.
>>103154967>I know /g/ is poorfag central>doesn't have a HDMI surround receiver NGMI
>>103154973>>103154999>HDMI>"high end"I love it when poors try to sound rich.For people who don't subsist on food stamps, we use optical.
>>103155111>opticalah yes, high end compressed audio if you use more than 2 channels.hdmi is the only way to get uncompressed digital surround sound data to a DAC (well display port also works but audio equipment doesn't come with display port ports)
>>103155892>the only optical is toslinkCan you PLEASE stop proving me right about your socioeconomic status?
>>103153356Not true. You can use three pcie 5 m.2 ones on the crosshair, and two at pcie 4. You lose the second pcie slot but the first one is not reduced.If you want both slots unaffected you can run three total, 1 pcie5 and 2 pcie4.
>>103155111S/PDIF is legacy-tier for A/V stuff. It is all HDMI now.>>103155897Such projection.....
>>103152866The Asrock X870 Pro RS for $200 is the best bang for buck as it has dual USB 4 and $210 for WiFi model. The Asrock X870E Nova when discounted to $300 is also basically a $500-700 board. EZ GPU release, 5x M.2, 5Gbe, plenty of IO, great build and vrms. Still glad I got the X670E Taichi in 2022 as it seems like there have been some pcie layout regressions in the latest gen. The ultra high end boards are extra needless this gen.
>>103156323>Asrock X870E NovaThat shit's never coming back in stock.
>>103152866This asus board may be their most expensive one from the x870e but it is not the best. Their best board is strix X870E-E and if you ask me maybe the best AM5 board overall. It is funny because it literally better than the pro art and hero in every non gimmick way possible and it cost than them, asus are retards as expected.That being said asrock x870e nova have anything you will ever need from an AM5 motherboard and it cost 150$ less, you really pay thru the nose for a little better back panel and memory support. >but what about muh b650 steel legend with muh OP vrm for 200$Yes b650 steel legend is sufficient for everything unless you need 4 fast m.2 ssd and do not want to bother with expansion cards.
>>103152928when will itx become the defacto standard? even oem prebuilts don’t use atx boards anymore because it doesn’t add to anything
>>103157934Never, newer boards need many m.2 slots and fast m.2 ssds are really hot you cant stack 3-4 without a fan and heatsink. so forget it.
>>103156160The anon I was responding to specifically mentioned PCIe 5.0 slots as the justification for the board when in reality it's a farce.At best you get 1 PCIe 5.0 16X slot and a 5.0 m.2 slot with all the other 5.0 slots having to split lanes.Me personally this isn't alot of PCIe gen 5 to be excited about.>You lose the second pcie slot but the first one is not reduced.The first one is also reduced. The second slot only exists if you take lanes from the first slot. X870E only has 20 PCIe 5 lanes. Using 3 M.2 means your left with 8 for the GPU.
>>103153120the slightly different design (e.g. being able to slide 2x 3 slot width gpus) is exactly the selling point of these boardsprevious gens was absolute dog for multi gpus which was a pain for ai enthusiasts that wanted to run 2x 4090
>>103157998This depends on the board but the best config is one x16 gen5 slot for the gpu, one x4 m.2 gen 5 slot and 3 gen 4 m.2 slots for 3 other ssd.
>>103152866>ATXjunk. give me mATX instead.ITX would be also nice but they seriously gimp features on those while making them 2x the cost.
>>103156210>reads the post that reminds it that there are optical standards that aren't toslink>QUOTES the post that reminds it that there are optical standards that aren't toslink>and one second later forgets the post that reminds it that there are optical standards that aren't toslink>proceeds to seethe about how poor and ignorant he isSo this is "the absolute state of /g/" I keep hearing about?
>>103158135Unless you want to be insanely fucking dense and say your optical HDMI or thunderbolt cable is an "optical" standard, there is no actual consumer optical standard other than toslinkDon't even bring up your recycled SFP+ shit either
>>103154967You don't put your nas or your storage in your theatre room That's stupid. Get a nas and move your drives out of there. Also it's 2024. Fiber is easy to run anywhere and thin enough to run along walls and under doors. Much cheaper by the meter too.
>>103157841where do i find “stock” motherboards without all the extras
>>103157983If you cool the drives with liquid nitrogen you can easily.
>>103152928>>103157934itx is the "cuckcloset" of motherboards. since every faggot still tries to cram 4090s in them
>>103157991Well that's not what the documentation says. You can run 2 pcie5 m.2 and your gpu at 16x as well.
>>103159214You're reading the documentation wrongGranted it's a clusterfuck.When you install M.2_3, your main 16X slot automatically goes to 8x with the second 16X slot having 4X available.When you install M.2_2 in addition to M.2_3. you no longer have the second 16x slot available at all and since you installed M.2_3 the 8x limitation on the primary 16x slot still applies. Just to prove the point here is the manual.There is no configuration where you can have 2 gen 5 M.2s without knocking down the 16X slot to 8xAt best you can have M.2_1 and your 16X slot, but using M.2_2 or M.2_3 will always make your primary 16X slot 8x
>>103152915Stop being an annoying fagget to everyone then
>>103159146God your fagget culture is so fucking gross
>>103159316It doesn't matter anyway, because PCI 4.0 8x lanes is more than enough for any of the GPUs out in the market that support it. There aren't any gayming SKUs that have PCIE 5.0 support yet.
>>103157998>the slightly different design (e.g. being able to slide 2x 3 slot width gpus) is exactly the selling point of these boards>previous gens was absolute dog for multi gpus which was a pain for ai enthusiasts that wanted to run 2x 4090Poor-fag detected, 4090 isn't meant for AI crap. It is poor-fag-tier at best. Get actual DGXs.
>>103152866it has a 5 cent 7 segment display on it that'll be 500 dollars ok?
>>103159146they have to use the fe 4090 since it’s the smartest air cooled one but for sff builds, the proart 4080s is much more compact
>>103158230I run osfp 800gbps and capture the background noise of the universe. Yes this makes it impossible to enjoy sound from any media but it makes a hell of closer to online arguments regarding over the top audio tech.
>>103159511I'm only using OM4-based AOCs. Now I feel nearly as poor as the failures in the HDMI slum.
>>103158302>obviously talking to an audiophool (hey at least i know it)>up and down the thread talking about fibre but the poors don't know what an aoc is>despite knowing this makes bold presumption that anything in this house past the shitty isp-supplied modem is copper>(well, apart from a couple of cheap 25gbit dacs in the server racks - yes, racks, plural)I suppose you tried.
>>103159146i don't know what you're talking about, pretty much any card fits in my case no one needs ATX/mATX anymore we don't use audio cards anymore 90% of people only need one pcie slot for gpu and you know it because you see it in every build>but muh space nigga i can fit 2 24tb 3.5 drives and 2 m.2 drives in my case if you need more storage build a nas/home server already(picrel not mine but you get the point)
>>103157983cope, is this the best argument you have against "itx should be the standard" not the extra pcie slots maybe? large capacity m.2 are going to be reasonably cheap a few years from now and there is a reason why most boards have 1-2 slots it's because if you use more than 2 you're probably retarded
>>103160039that looks like xbox
>>103152866>GIGA PREMIUM BOARD>2 (two) PCIe slots>and I fucking bet that lower one is some gay shit like x4Modern "enthusiast PCs" are a fucking joke
>>103162431i think the hero has 5-6 slots? but it lacked 10G network lmao, also not him but some cases try to go hard on the 4-8 SSD drive casets. Like bro you got 4TB SSDs by now, why would you ever get 8x 4TB SSDs on casets? Only something like servers do that and servers aren't gaming setups anyway.
>>103162431I know I am extremely tired of being gaslit that modern desktop boards are in any way equivalent to HEDT40+ PCIe lanes but no fucking slots.>inb4 but m.2 are slotsM.2 is inherently limiting on what can be installed without jury rigging
>>103152866b650e is more than enough everything else is a meme
>>103157934It is? you pay a premium for ATX motherboards nowadays. And with current GPU sizes you need to buy ATX when you don't want some add in card to block all the GPU airflow.
>>1031632908xx boards also waste 4 pcie lanes on the USB 4.0 controller and have a dedicated chip for that which constantly pumps out some heat. All that for a feature you will probably never use. I would prefer 6xx boards every day over 8xx ones.
>>1031528664me, it's the two usb a headers and gen5 nvme
>>103162431It is because expansion cards are dying in a regular desktop system. The vast majority of the builds out there only use one slot for their GPU at most.They end-up leaving the other slots vacant. If you are really into getting into expansion cards then the chances are strong that you are building an actual workstation-tier platform.Cheap HEDT is dead, HEDT simply went back to its workstation/hobbyist roots.
>>103167758You might have a point if the lack of slots wasn't completely artificialI would buy pic related if it was available outside of China, even if on Intel
>>103167844There isn't enough connectivity on that platform to properly feed all of those slot on that board. At best, you have 8x/4x/4x/4x, that's assuming you are not populating the M.2 slots. Populating some of the M.2 slot may disable slots fed by the PCH.That SKU doesn't have Thunderbolt just USB 4.0 ports.
>>103168315The board is rigged out with 8x/8x on the CPU attached slots and the rest of the slots are 4x on the chipset.There is otherwise enough lanes on both the CPU and chipset for all the M.2. (Intel Z890 has 24 CPU lanes and 24 chipset lanes) M.2_D is likely shared with one of the SFF-8654 ports but that's fineThat slot config is fine. I'm not asking for 4 full 16X slotsAlso, thunderbolt is retarded on a desktop. Almost anything you can attach on a TB port is more expensive than just using an expansion card.
So, what's the absolute best AM5 mobo out there, right now?
>>103170593x670e gene for overclockingx870e hero for general use currently unlike x870e godlike launches
>>103170643>unlikeuntil*
Why do all AM5 boards suck?Way more expensive than AM4 boardsOnly one 2.5G portOnly 4/6 sata portsBarely any PCie slots, required to solve above issuesForced fucking WiFi backdoor that literally nobody will use on desktop especially of this tier but god fucking forbid they include two lan ports so you can actually use the fucking 2.5G...>>103154807Finally someone gets it I thought I'm going insane
>>103157841>ROG STRIX X870E-EHuh. Looks like I just found my new motherboard since it's reasonably priced in Europe. Thanks anon
>>103170801PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 support require more PCB layering and tracing = more BOM cost. Modern desktop CPUs are pulling more current when loaded so the power delivery portion costs have been driving up as well. It all gets passed onto the consumer. So the days of $99-149 boards having most of the essentials are gone.Most of the recent mark-up is actually from motherboard vendors caught on that whales and their influencers are buying "gayming" SKU as status symbols. >Only one 2.5G portHow is this a problem for vast majority of desktop users? Get a dedicated NIC or a SKU that build-in 5Gbp or 10Gbp NIC.>Only 4/6 sata portsSATA and internal HDDs have been dying in the desktop world. I'm actually more surprised that it hasn't dropped completely on selected SKUs. Desktop users are getting SSD media via M.2 now and its upcoming successor. If they are getting HDDs, they are getting a separate NAS build for this and likely some kind of HBA for it. >Barely any PCie slots, required to solve above issuesSweetie, PCIe slots outside of a single discrete GPU are barely used in the vast majority of desktop build done in the past decade or so. The users that have an use case for more slots tend to be specing an actual workstaiton-tier build not a desktop.>Forced fucking WiFi backdoor that literally nobody will use on desktop especially of this tier but god fucking forbid they include two lan ports so you can actually use the fucking 2.5G..The masses have been opting for wireless ethernet. That's why 10Gbps Ethernet stuff on the market is basically decommissioned enterprise-tier to SMB-tier SKUs.TLDR version, sorry, it isn't the 1990s and 2000s anymore the needs and use case of desktop users had changed. You sound like users back in those days lamenting the loss of ISA, parallel, floopy and PATA ports.
>>103172547>You sound like users back in those days lamenting the loss of ISA, parallel, floopy and PATA ports.There is a difference between something being replaced and something being taken away with no replacement, especially when the thing being taken away you can't really consider as outdated.What are companies replacing PCIe slots with that is so much better? NothingIt's all a farce to force you into more and more upmarket boards for the peripherals you want
>>103159316why does a much cheaper x870 board (Steel Legend) not have this problem? Is Asus that retarded to arrange the lanes that way or Asrock a lying piece of shit?
>>103173969Asus is using what little PCIe 5.0 lanes there are for more 5.0 M.2, even if it means taking away from the GPU or having a useless secondary slot.Asrock is just using the 4.0 lanes on the chipset.
>>103173969NTA, but in my experience even going back to AM4 motherboards Asrock has always had much more reasonable pcie lane distribution.ASUS almost always disable either secondary pcie slots or sata ports when using some of the m.2 slots.I really miss the times where the standard way of spliting pcie lanes was to just split 16 lanes between two physical 16x slots to two 8x slots when inserting a second GPU.Even worse now that motherboards are competing over who can put the most m.2 slots on their product, stealing even more pcie lanes, who the fuck needs 4-5 m.2 drives on their PC that isn't already using a dedicated bifurcation/raid controler for it?
>>1031725471.2017 $100 AM4 boards can run 5800X3D, theyre just price gouging2.How do you expect me to hook up my NAS and WAN at the same time with one port? Fairly priced above 1G switches don't exist3.Give me enough pcie then and drop the price for the features I need to pay extra for separately4. HEDT is dead, were not talking about miniitx or A series boards theyre just being greedy and evil no excuse5. Those were outdated shit objectively inferior to new tech, having less expansion is objectively bad, WiFi is objectively dogshit, were not talking about macbooks or ideapads or mini PCs or A series boards here, are you Asus or Gigabyte PR? All your high end AM5 boards get mogged by my $100 B450 and thats just sad
Spending more than a $150 on a mobo is retarded. No one cares about overlocking. Squeezing out 1% performance for $1000 is the dumbest shit possible.
>>103174521>are you Asus or Gigabyte PR?NTA but people who defend taiwanese hardware vendors are usually proud island chinksThey seethe if you don't gobble up what makes them the most money.
>>103172547>>103170801>Modern desktop CPUs are pulling more currentthis is a big problem because even the cheapest boards have to support 170W 16 core CPUs + overclocking headroom. back in the day the highest end consumer desktop chips from intel would only pull 80W stock and maybe 150W with very heavy overclock and AVX torture test. Everything else had a way more expensive HEDT platform. >Barely any PCie slotsthis really annoyed me too, even if the board has them most of the time one is right below the GPU and sometimes the lowest isn't even in the bottom position.Bought a gigabyte board because of that which has 2 slots right at the bottom for my soundcard and something else I can add later.>Forced fucking WiFi backdoori'd say it is not so much about the Wifi but more about the bluetooth. Many use bluetooth peripherals like headsets, gaming controllers, even mouse and keyboard.
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>>103174521>2017 $100 AM4 boards can run 5800X3D, theyre just price gougingThat cheap board is limited to PCIe 3 and DDR4 so it can get away being limited to 3-4 PCB layers. DDR5, USB 3.2 and PCIe 5.0 connectivity need 6 layers at minimal. Ultra-high bandwidth connectivity is a PITA. Most of the mark-up is vendors taking advantage of whales.>2.How do you expect me to hook up my NAS and WAN at the same time with one port? Fairly priced above 1G switches don't existThe masses opt for WLAN and 2.5/5Gbp wired Ethernet or more are still considered to SMB-tier hardware. You are going to pay up something move beyond 1Gbps. The cheapest route is getting decommissioned hardware if you don't the noise or size of the unit.>3.Give me enough pcie then and drop the price for the features I need to pay extra for separatelyGo HEDT then, cheap HEDT is dead and is not coming back.>HEDT is dead, were not talking about miniitx or A series boards theyre just being greedy and evil no excuseIt still exists and simply went back to its roots. Spending north of $3K on a desktop platform that was a basically near-workstation platform was norm back in the early to mid 1990s. Cheap HEDT died because the market for was too small to justify spending R&D to make a highly distilled version of workstation platform that was outperformed by regular desktop at mainstream stuff. Professionals need ECC support and later vPro and AMD equivalent that came later that it lacked.>There is a difference between something being replaced and something being taken away with no replacement, especially when the thing being taken away you can't really consider as outdatedThey aren't be replaced, you dingus. They are baked into the platform itself. Expansion cards have going away since 1990s where you forced to have expansion cards for nearly everything.More and more logic and stuff is getting miniaturization into a single chip/chiplet that can handle it instead of being handled by several different cards.
>>103180129Cheap HEDT in itself was married to SLI/CF for most of its life and once that ecosystem died. Cheap HEDT was doomed and dropped.
>>103172547I got a bunch of NVME drives when the price was cheap, and I have to stick my 3070 in the 8x slot because my 16x slot is the only one that supports PCI-E bifurcation.
>>103176401It has to be a backdoor no other explanation, im not paying so much for a trash board with basic features missing just bc it has a 10$ dongle built in, you genuinely have to be insane if you think that's a value add for a board of this price that's missing all the important shit>>103180129Many boards had 6/8 SATA before, now they take it away, that's the issue, if dual lan (or fairly priced above 1G switches were affordable) and 8 SATA was onboard I would be fine with less expansion slots, but they got neither for how much more? Good they can add WiFi tho that's what everyone wants on a high end PCPCs are turning into phones, all price points just same slop for the corporate drones that swallow it up, no deviation from the trash is allowed
This is unironically worth $500. Especially since it comes with WiFi 7.
>>103181017This is gotta be a troll or Asus PR at this point, nobody gives a flying fuck about WiFi on a desktop. USB is an unreliable dogshit connection, I'll trust it as soon as data centers ditch sata (SAS) and Ethernet (infiniband), should happen any day now
>>103181052Total brain rot post you fucking lunatic.>nobody uses peripherals like a dac, mic, mouse, disc drive, controllers, wireless headsets, or keyboards!>everyone keeps their desktop in the same room as their modem!You are literally a non-functioning human being
>>103152866The only X870E board worth getting.
>>103181080Yeah I use a disc drive and sound card inside my pc and drag 3 Ethernet cables through the wall (powerline also exists) much cheaper and way better solution, if you disagree please buy a macbook immediately we dont need this cancer spreading through the entire PC space, AM5 seems bust tho as a platform so far, not a single good board.
>>103152866zero improvement over high end x670e and a sidegrade at best from it for double the price wtf is the point usb4 isnt even widely used yet
>>103181137Using a sound card in your PC is troglodyte tier. Fucking shameful that you have the gall to speak down to anybody when you are literally a mentally ill freakshow.
No way in hell am I using wifi on a desktop. I guess if all you do is browse the chans and shitpost all day it's no big deal but I do big boy stuff like play videogames and don't want to get half the speed of the 2gig fiber I pay out the ass for.
>>103180828>WiFi tho that's what everyone wants on a high end PClike I said, it is about bluetooth. Who doesn't use any bluetooth peripherals these days?>Many boards had 6/8 SATA beforeIn the day of 4tb NVME SSDs for 200 bucks no one is using harddrives anymore. Usually you want you HDD in a PC to maximize performance. But if you think about it, what application is relevant today that needs more than NAS performance, but still not an SSD? Even when you download something and unpack it, when you manage and edit your images, music, do video editing and so on a HDD just sucks today. It isn't relevant anymore apart from NAS and long therm storage. I bet you just have many very old 1-3tb drives that piled up over the years. Just use the upgrade to optimize your storage.
>>103152866>$ 789,99yeah $78,999 is alot isn't
>>103160039i like how compact it is, but nahh, i still use my two x1 pcie
>>103153414imagine paying more than that on a mobo
>>103183037>>Many boards had 6/8 SATA beforeDidn't you not get the memo that more and more desktop builds are not even bothering with internal HDDs anymore? Internal optical drives are pretty much legacy and a good number of desktop chassis don't even have 5 1/4" bays for them anymore. The same cases have been downsizing on possible 3 1/2" slots. I wouldn't be surprised if they start disappearing outright from chassis outright towards the end of this decade.In the retail space, internal HDDs have been disappearing and shifting more towards catering to big data/compute needs who get their inventory via bulk orders.
>>103181140High-end X670E and X870E are going for nearly the same price. X870E SKUs tend to have spec with PCIe 5.0 M.2 slots. You are facing the same dilemma as potential buyers for X470 and X570 back in the day
>>103183037Nobody sane is gonna decide for one $400 board over another over something that can be added for $10 to any board without compromise (can't be said about other missing features like pcie, sata, lan, can't easily add those after the fact and get same quality as built in compared to some external crap), ive always had a BT dongle since I had a Pentium 4, its not new, its not a killer feature and its absolutely not a selling point.Yes I do have a lot of perfectly good 2/4TBs im continuing to use, I also have an R720 full of 20TBs, you can never have enough storage or backup, my old desktops are being repurposed as extra NASes, it is worth it to spend more so that I can continue to get more use out of the parts long into the future past its desktop client lifespan, the whole point of an upgradable modular desktop is that its way more flexible than a minipc laptop or Mac.>>103183126Again just proves me right how shit modern tech is, BD is the only way to get non dogshit quality movies officially or have longer term cold backup that you can actually still buy. Why would I ever buy a new case which costs more money and has less features than just gut a 20yo PC for free?Same as phones without replacable battery, headphone jack, SD slot, they took away some of the most important features so who gives a shit anymore, ultrabooks and macs already fill this (made up and forced) hole in the market, absolutely no one is asking for this on high end desktops but its being forced top down.All phones dont have front facing cameras because 99.9% actually takes selfies so its cheaper to just put it there than to offer models without, its forced top down so companies like google facebook and banks always know you can be forced to do face scan for their spyware versifications and dont have the excuse of having a cheap or old phone or whatever to not do it. Stop being a fucking corporate bootlicker.
>>103181173sorry, but im entitled to a superior audio experience.
