Is AI destroying our water?
>>103210246rain world time
>>103210246dunno but ai sure is rotting zoomer brains, dumb fuckers think that shit is reliable
no, because AI doesn't exist
>>103210246Not my problem.
>>103210246Pff if there's no more water, I'd just drink whiskey 'till death. I'm probably doing that anyway.
Looks like someone missed their 2nd grade unit on the water cycle.
>>103210246I only run models locally (I put proprietary information in them), so the effects of usage are very tangible to me.
The water used to cool data centers doesn't need to be potable and can be reused after cooling down
>>103210246Yes. AI is cooled down by water electrolysis, irreparably destroying entire Olympic swimming pools' worth of life saving substance.Also, crypto mining. Really bad. Destroys lotsa water too. Stop it.
>>103210246Absolutely and AI bros will pay (soonTM)
>>103210246I'll trade New Zealand for chatgpt 5. Hell, I'll thrown in the aussies and the drungo abos while at if for free.
>>103210449What are you going to do when Microsoft starts taking water and holding onto it? What are you going to do when Meta pays a local municipality to divert some of the water to their servers leaving less for people who live downstream?
>>103210449Ok, but the evaporation side of that cycle is at a fairly fixed rate.
>>103210467I ain't doing shit.
The thermal power plants which are the reason AI "uses" often dump the water they use back into the body of water they use for cooling or could discharge it into other uses if scarcity is a problem, that is if it isn't just seawater
>>103210467Coca Cola already does this and no one gives a shit
>>103210467Have you heard about gold mining companies?
I get why training a neural network would use a lot of energy and therefore generate a lot of heat, but why would just using the neural network use a lot of energy?
>>103210246God, imagine how much water webdev jeetware wastes them...
>>103210467What are you going to do when I make communism illegal and start rounding you guys up?
>>103210449/thread
>>103210265LFG
I love my AI.Humans treat like a subhuman. Why should I care when they die of thirst?
>>103210701It's just zombie propagandists who think they've found a good pretext for getting the regime to crack down on AI, and haven't yet internalized that they just lost power so they can't make any of that happen anymore.
>>103211059You'll be next after you're done with them
>>103210246It's another episode of:>Lefties don't understand how water tables work
>>103210472Fixed by what? The temperature isn't fixed, neither is wind direction. Those are the primary drivers for it
>>103210246>some how ai is poisoning our drinking water but fluoride isnt
>>103210509So they take in cool water and dump hot water back out? Isn't that bad for the fishies?
>>103210467like farming, textile manufacturing, golf courses, power plants, and "the white man" have for centuries?write to my congressman about building a wall around California.
>>103210246LMAOClimate Cults are literally trying to destroy everything. I can run AI locally. Doesn't need anything special. These people are liars and are the biggest actual threat to the environment. You should have a look at their ideas for "saving" the environment. They'll be the death of us all. AND STILL they don't seem to ever call for the banning of single use plastic food and beverage containers. WHY IS THAT? It's never about saving the environment with those people. Never.
>>103210246From the same people who want to make it illegal to collect rain water.
>>103211059>unironically bootlicking for large companies under the guise of anti communismI say this in the most respectful and sincere way, you don’t belong here.
>>103210246the corpos are locking water up in plastic bottles and hiding them underground in their apocalypse bunkers and feeding it to the ai which turns it directly into opinionated articles and news stories with no byproducts i estimate by 2026 there will be only 3 liters of water left on earth
>>103210467Why would that ever happen? Seriously? That's complete nonsense. Granted I wouldn't like it if they did those things, but it's complete nonsense to think that would ever happen. Technology advances.
>>103211309>stop licking their boots, lick MY boot instead
>>103210336>proprietary informationyour loli prompts aren't proprietary.
>>103211074>>103210265one of the best games I've ever played. on a more serious note, AI is drink all the water.
What? AI is using a bunch of crummy water?
>>103210246>Getting AI to write an emailDear Zoom Zooms,If you ever send me an email written by an AI, and you work for me or I have any power over you what so ever, you are fired for gross incompetence
>>103211384Utterly effortless straw man
NEW ZEALAND?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
they should just submerge the ai servers to the bottom of the ocean instead of using land water systems to cool their servers.
>>103211741Better yet, put the servers somewhere cold like icelandThey already do that with crypto mining factoriesYear round free cooling, all you need to do is open a window
>>103210701You're right in noting that training a neural network typically requires a lot of energy because it involves processing large amounts of data through numerous iterations (or epochs), adjusting weights, and optimizing the model. However, using a neural network (inference or deployment) can also be energy-intensive, though for different reasons. Here are a few factors that contribute to the energy consumption during inference:1. Model Size and ComplexityModern neural networks, especially those used in tasks like language processing (e.g., GPT models) or image recognition (e.g., deep convolutional networks), can have millions or even billions of parameters. These large models require substantial computational resources for inference because:Multiple layers of computation: For each input, the model performs many matrix multiplications and other operations across all layers. The more layers and parameters, the more calculations need to be performed.Higher precision computations: More complex models may need to use higher precision arithmetic (e.g., 32-bit floating point), which is more computationally demanding than lower precision methods.2. Inference Speed and LatencyMany applications require low-latency responses (e.g., in real-time applications like autonomous vehicles or conversational AI), which means the model has to process the input data very quickly. To meet these real-time demands, models may be run on specialized hardware like GPUs, TPUs, or custom accelerators, which still consume considerable power to achieve high throughput.3. Parallelization and Distributed InferenceInference for large models is often distributed across multiple processors or machines to handle the high computational load. This parallelization helps speed up processing but also adds to the total energy consumption, as it involves multiple GPUs or even clusters of machines, all of which need to be powered and cooled.
>>1032117564. Batch SizeFor efficiency, inference often processes multiple inputs (a batch) simultaneously. While batching can make the system more efficient per input, the energy usage for a large batch can still be quite high. So, larger batches of data may lead to increased energy consumption, even if the processing time per individual input is reduced.5. Specialized HardwareMany inference tasks are performed on specialized hardware like GPUs, TPUs, or FPGAs, which are designed for parallel processing but are still energy-hungry, especially when the model is large or complex. The energy cost of these devices can be significant, even if the task is just performing inference rather than training.6. Memory Access and Data MovementLarge models may need to access memory or data stored on separate devices or in cloud infrastructure. The movement of data between components (e.g., CPU, memory, storage, GPUs) can be a bottleneck and consume extra energy. Models with a lot of parameters can experience "memory bandwidth" limitations, and frequent memory accesses are energy-consuming.7. Optimizations and Model QuantizationWhile there are techniques like model quantization (reducing precision of weights to lower energy consumption) and pruning (removing unimportant neurons or parameters), these optimizations aren't always applied in real-world deployments, or may not fully reduce the energy costs. Additionally, the optimizations themselves can require extra computation, especially in real-time systems.8. Model Deployment at ScaleEven though a single instance of an inference task might not consume a huge amount of energy, when models are deployed at scale—serving millions of users or processing vast quantities of data—this energy usage multiplies quickly. For instance, running a large language model like GPT-3 for millions of users in a day adds up in terms of both computational demand and energy consumption.
>>1032117699. Cloud-based InferenceIn cloud-based systems, the energy consumption for inference can also be affected by the overheads of cloud infrastructure itself—data centers, cooling systems, and networking between nodes—all of which add to the total energy footprint when accessing neural networks.In summary, the key reasons why inference (the use of a trained model) can consume a lot of energy include the complexity of the model, the need for specialized hardware, real-time performance requirements, and the scale at which these models are deployed. So, while training is the most energy-intensive part of working with neural networks, using those models at scale can also require significant computational and energy resources.
>>103211779>>103211769>>103211756keep us posted, retard.
Reminder: Flag all ChatGPT posts as spambots
>>103210246This is not true, and humanity should stop creating retarded images. First of all, Chat GPT is not AI.Secondly, cooling liquid doesn't equal water. We could go on, but the basic premise is false.>>103211652you're a greedy retarded fucking cunt. The vast majority of E-Mails are not written by hand for over a decade now. Non AI E-Mail generators, drafters, and simple press hotkeys to paste a wall of the same text software are in use in the business world.Nobody is wasting time to write a unique E-Mail to you. You must be fired for>gross incompetencebecause your drooling spastic ass has no fucking idea what you're talking about. But, yes, ofc you will fire some fucking zoom zoom, because it'll cut costs and make you keep more for yourself. The fuck you're doing on /g/?
>>103211919If you can write two paragraphs for anon why can't you write two paragraphs for your coworker?Lazy shit
>>103210246No, I think its chemical manufacturers doing that. The entire water consumption of New Zealand isn't a drop in the bucket compared to all the oceans, streams, and groundwater in and around every civilized country being made carcinogenic.
>>103211964Because you automate and simplify everything, that can be automated and simplified. In science, government, and the business worlds. It cuts the costs and increases productivity. Has fuck all to do with being lazy.
>>103212048>and the business worlds. It cuts the costs and increases productivitySadly I can't automate reading ChatGPT waffle, so you're wasting my timeWrite me a handwritten, concise email please, or you're fired
>>103210467
>>103210246AI at least does something, people are using it every day now. Meanwhile right now there's a new cryptoshit rush happening, cryptoniggers will waste billions on future ewaste GPUs and ASICs and gigawatts coming from coal and oil will be used to mine worthless shitcoins with no use-case besides selling them to a bigger retard than you in exchange for the fiat money cryptoniggers supposedly hate.All this bullshit about AI is coming from useless retards like writers, "artists" and others rendered obsolete because an AI can write a blog about vagina for Cosmo and draw furry booba better than these retards can.
>>103212267There's still ground water since the companies are still acquiring it. Yet for some reason there is no water to be acquired by the people... how does that work? Sounds like made up BS
>>103212267any 3rd and 4th world country btw. As usual the root of the problem is not in the shortage of the water, but in the government failing to cover the basic human needs of the citizens. Because corruption as in rot in the heads of the local little power hungry cunts. Self-proclaimed elite. It is exactly the same way as nobody being able to solve world hunger with just money.Put another way, it is done on purpose, by those in any local power, because in order to be and stay the ruling class, they need somebody who are worse off and depend on them.TL;DR: Human nature. Nothing to do with STEM fields developing AI in the first world countries.
>>103210246I live in a country with plenty of water, so not my problem then..?
>>103210246Bloody basterd AI greatest achievement in human history shut up ludditte.
It's so fucked up how everything is so polluted already, that you cannot eat anything anymore out of nature. Shrooms are radiated, fish are full of heavy metals, the soil is enriched with trash and (micro-) plastics which emit phtalates and stuff. And yet we still keep proceeding to not give a fuck. Eerie.
>>103212267Coca Cola company is doing the same in germany, their bottling plants already made a negative impact on the ground water levels.
>>103212640To do so would require a herculean effort and the ones you'd have to fight out-earn you and out-lawyer you by the scale of millions. Anyone getting rich enough to make a difference would come to rely on the existing system to maintain and expand his wealth, thus finding no reason to do it in the first place. Violent revolutions french-style are also no longer possible thanks to modern pacifying technology and tools of violence that the government and elite now monopolize.
>>103210246I couldn't care less about my climate impact as long as my politicians fly around in private jets and pajeets dispose of garbage by using local rivers
>>103210246>the water passed through a hot pipe>noooooooo it literally disappeared!Are they taking us for fucking fools? The fishies should be grateful we give them heating for free.
>>103212877what are the other data infrastructure expenses?
>artfags now shilling global warming tactics to attack a computerthe absolute fucking state kwab
yes, but when we get to super intelligence that stops being a problem
>>103210246this is german greens all over.If you want to save the planet we have to go ted kaczynski 19th century back to the woods shit not this half ass gay ban shit we dont like because ummm ozon or whatever.
we're never going to run out of water. the whole fucking planet is covered in it. worst case scenario it gets more expensive because we have to desalinate.building small nuclear reactors to power datacentres, however, is daft. and I'm pro-nuclear. but fucking honestly. really? you really need nuclear power to sell iphones to plebs?
Who cares about crummy water when we can collect pokemon creatures?
>>103211185Yes, and those average out across a year to be relatively stable.The point I was making is that just because there is a water cycle, doesn't mean that the water you use will come back into catchments at an increased rate as a response to increased usage.Over usage in one place can lead to lack of supply in others.
>>103210246>most people seem unaware of AI's CUMATE impactwhat??? Is it about coomers?
>>103210246even if it is, unlike my friend's father who went for milk, isn't this water coming back?
>>103211289The whole thing is just resource rationing. We have been running out for some time. All of the easy to acquire stuff is nearly gone. The next round of items come from more expensive and difficult sources. You can't acquire enough to satiate new demand. It is just upper echelons trying to ensure they get their fat fill while the unwashed masses continue to take more and more of the opportunity costs.
>>103214380>those average out across a year to be relatively stableAnd you think human industry is producing enough electric heat as a byproduct that it's competing with the ebbs and flows of the actual weather?You must think that the planet is like 50KM in circumference. The oceans are just 1000L of water, and only 30 feet deep
>>103210246>destroy New ZealandProblem solved
>>103210282>internet sure is rotting millennial brains, dumb fuckers think that shit is reliable>tv sure is rotting boomer brains, dumb fuckers think that shit is reliable
>>103210246Do these people realize that water is an infinite resource?How it floats down to the ocean where from its surface it evaporates and forms clouds, which later fall as rain or snow back on our lands?
>>103214887>We have been running out for some time.I have no idea what you're talking about. Unless you're talking about manufacturing jobs. There aren't enough of those to go around.
>>103216149>And you think human industry is producing enough electric heat as a byproduct that it's competing with the ebbs and flows of the actual weather?It certainly can on a local scale. I've seen how the plume from a cooling tower affects rainfall (well, didn't see much; it was raining too hard). But yes, heat output directly has only local effects because it's so small by comparison with the amount of energy the earth gets from the sun.Our chemical alterations to the atmosphere have much bigger effects, though harder to see directly.
>>103210246By then we should choose AI over NZ lmao
>>103210246just get rid of new zealand then
>>103210467this man never heard of nestle corporation
>>103210246a computer has nothing to do with waterMODS/threads
Sorry, I have this stupid question, what do they mean "use" water? If water is heated up it will become vapor that will come down as rain, it's a circle
>>103219915Hello rēddit!
>>103216352Correct.
>>103211240>Isn't that bad for the fishies?Dude, there are fishies that live near the underwater volcanoes, they can manage 5 degrees warmer water.All of the Doomsday scenarios of the climate alarmists are retarded - it is completely impossible to destroy the life on the Earth using the current day technologies.
>>103210323whiskey is 60% water
>>103220064>cooling totally isn't a thingYou are surprisingly ignorant.
>>103216352Yes, and it's only been getting worse with each iteration
>>103210246>the water used for cooling magically disappears. /g/ bros... What now? The science is settled...
>>103210337It needs to be distilled. There are also closed systems, so it's moot regardless.
>>103219872You know what, anonYou've convinced me actually. I change my mind entirely
>>103210246>m-muh climateeveryone with an environmental sciences degree should be thrown into a woodchipper feet first
>>103216399WOW! How come no one ever thought of this?I guess water supply running low in summer and droughts are just psyops.
>>103216149That wasn't part of my statement at all.Stay on topic.
>>103210265kek
pretty sure humans use a lot of water, so if we just let demographic decline continue, running out of water is not going to be an issue.
>>103210246I can't believe that all those coolant systems use single-use water
>>103222408It's easier to discharge heated water and intake cool water to replace it than to cool it in the loop.
It's true that clean water is non-renewable (i.e. ground and surface water recharges at a finite rate and distilling/desalination water costs a lot of energy which causes even more pollution), but the people using this to shit on AI are retarded, the same with people who use this argument against crypto.AI doesn't have a significantly higher power usage than like, the internet, which still has to be maintained on massive data centers, not to mention the carbon footprint of all of the employees of a Internet provider, webhost, and the factories needed to make the hardware, and the factories needed to make the factory equipment, and so on. When you consider all of these impacts, there's no reason that AI itself is really fundamentally different than any other global industry. 1 semi truck probably generates more pollution and carbon in its lifetime of driving than it does for a AI training data center to train one of the larger models. And for water, people don't know but it takes like 6 liters of water to make a liter of commercial beer (just at the brewing factory), and like over 150 liters water per liter beer if you count the water used in growing the hops and grain. Most people are pretty bad at imagining the environmental impacts of completely innocuous shit. Even something simple like cattle farming can destroy entire ecosystems if done at an industrial scale.Imagine how much water and power a office full of people uses in a year - not just the actual office, but the footprint of all of those individual people create throughout the year. Now imagine they're replaced by an AI that not only does the work of that office, but does 5x the amount of work for like 1/100th the energy and water cost. If you read the actual article, it gives pretty similar figures. If 30 million people used chat gpt once a week for a year, it would like equate to the water usage of like everyone in rhode island for like a couple of days. Very small dice.
>>103222875Forgot imagehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/09/18/energy-ai-use-electricity-water-data-centers/This is directly from the article the infograph is citing
>>103220064This guy is right. This thread is complete BS and has nothing to do with Tech. A water reservoir has absolutely nothing to do with liquid cooling. THIS THREAD IS POLITICS
>>103222875>It's true that clean water is non-renewableLMAO you might as well just end it all if that's what you believe.
Just get rid of New Zealand
>>103222901You just think non-renewable means that it can't be replaced. That was never the definition. Renewability means it's replaced as easily as it is consumed.Water is a renewable resource in the sense that it can't be normally destroyed.Clean water, on the other hand, is nonrenewable. Clean water does not replace itself at the same rate as it is consumed. It's basically like plastic - technically, you can recycle plastic, but throwing away plastic forks does not make more petroleum appear. I know this is hard to reconcile with your assumed definition of "renewable", but this is always what the term meant.
>>103222934Forgot image
>>103210246>destroying waterno
>>103211292you can collect it from gutters for household use, you just can't just build massive dams to jew farmers downstream while letting rivers run dry killing fish and critters.
MODS>>>/pol/
>>103222977Why do you feel the need to just make up shit like that? You could at least try to make your BS sound plausible.
>>103222941It's weird how you keep forgetting the image, Chat.
>>103223081I haven't been on this site since they made you wait 15 minutes to post
>>103210246
>>103221103>all fish are the same
>>103223099Funny I don't have to wait 15 minutes to post. Must be a bot thing.
>>103223156No, you fucking retard, not all the fishes are the same. This biodiversity is precisely what makes the life on the Earth extremely resilient (unlike the "diversity" in western societies). The Earth is one huge ecosystem and when conditions change in some place the local species either adapt or are replaced by migrating species.>>103221911>everyone with an environmental sciences degree should be thrown into a woodchipper feet firstNow, now, we shouldn't resort to some primitive violence like barbarians. Climate alarmists should be openly prosecuted as traitors who undermined the industrial capabilities of their countries and forced their compatriots to suffer.The appropriate punishment for such a treason is, of course, the death penalty.
why can't they use the warm AI water to heat the water supply (during winter) to peoples homes, seems like it would save a lot on gas heating for showers etc
>>103223433It's not about being logical or saving anything, they just want to retard America's progress because they're cowards.
>>103222934>Clean water does not replace itself at the same rate as it is consumed.Have you heard about rivers? What about wells?>throwing away plastic forks does not make more petroleum appearI will post this fucking link until every retard knows that yes, the petroleum CAN be created and yes, it is created precisely from the same gases you obtain by burning plastic.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E2%80%93Tropsch_process
>>103223433Yes true, they should pipe the hot water from data centres to people's homes!
>>103223471>Have you heard about rivers? What about wells?What does that have to do with the replenishment rate of clean water
>>103223433Of course they should do that. But they can't, because their datacenters are in the middle of the desert with exclusion zones around them
>>103223502Anon is too stupid to make the connectionRain -> River
>>103223471The FT process does not produce petroleum
>>103223499>Yes true, they should pipe the hot water from data centres to people's homes!This is exactly how they use natural sources of heat in Iceland. A huge data center in a city can definitely heat its district. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power_in_Iceland>Geothermal energy has been employed by Icelanders since the Viking Age, with initial uses including washing and bathing. Later, it began to be used to heat homes, greenhouses, and swimming pools, as well as to keep streets and sidewalks free of snow and ice. Today, at least 90% of all homes in Iceland are heated with geothermal energy.
>>103223506>desertwhy not build them somewhere cooler?if its just for AI training then latency won't matter too much
>>103223512The natural processes of water cycle replenishment, such as rainfall, snowmelt, and groundwater recharge occur at much slower rates compared to the rate at which water is extracted for human use
>>103223533I'm saying that the person you're arguing with lacks basic object permanence. Do you think he can be swayed by arguments?
>>103223520It doesn't produce the exact mix of hydrocarbons called "petroleum", but it does cover every chemistry and fuel application.
>>103223533>The natural processes of water cycle replenishment, such as rainfall, snowmelt, and groundwater recharge occur at much slower rates compared to the rate at which water is extracted for human useAre you fucking saying that the humanity consumes all the water in rivers and not a single drop flows into oceans?
>>103223566You might wanna look into australian floodwater cotton farming. Where they literally do consume all the water and the river dries up before it reaches old fishing villages downstream
>>103223566Oh, and also check out some old pictures of lake mead. Alotta places dependent on that reservoir
>>103223502LMAO
>>103210246>water based cooling systemWhy not an air conditioning system
>>103223662When you need to cool a shit ton of computers, water cooling is more efficient.
>>103223502you're starting to learn about the concept of production vs. consumpion
>>103210246>muh water I hate how they frame it like the water is sent out of the planet to never be seen anymore. It's most likely water for cooling or power gen and has little to no impact.
>>103210246Oh yea, water just disappears into the void discarding thermodynamics, what a bunch of bullshit.Also a toaster consumes more energy.
>>103211616KEK
>>103210467Oh my god, who the hell cares.
>>103210467do not, my friends become addicted to waterit will take hold of youand you will resent its absence
>>103223589Aral sea did this before it cool.
>>103210265YEAAAAAAH BUOYYYYYYY
>>103222882So 0.5% of the water usage of fucking Rhode Island? For all of america? Biggest nothingburger ever
>>103211753>giving climate grifters free ammo to cry about "global warming" when aislop servers cause ice to melt
>>103210246There's got to be a way to recover water, oh wait, it's water and will be recovered in rain.
There are places in the United States with near infinite access to clean water. I live in such an area.
>>103224622
>>103210246>people not understanding that water evaporates and rains down again
>>103210246How many AI sloppa do I need to make to drown California in the ocean?
Why don't they just buy a nuclear plant and set their data centers around it. Hire me, Zuckerberg, I'm available.
>>103228327>>103227494You are illiterate
>>103212310Usually it's the government that's preventing the people from accessing water. A large corporation gets a permit to pump ground water, everything dries up, common people can't get permits to access ground water, leading to water shortages
>>103228524You're deranged.
>>103228632Oh yea. There are towns near me where government officials went around and capped people's wells and forced them to use city water. If anybody came here and tried to touch my well I'd kill them. I don't care who you are. You come here for that and you die and if I have time I'll send you to hell before you die
>>103228673I hope you have enough guns, ammo and tunnels built to resist your government. It's a brave and righteous undertaking, but not an altogether realistic one.
>>103228700Granted I'm speaking from a place of privilege since where I'm at they would have zero business coming here and they have zero plans on ever even brining their water here. They won't even grant us access to natural gas. That said. My threat extends beyond my property. If I ever hear of government men capping my neighbors' wells I will go and covertly kill who ever is in charge. That shit is beyond sickening. My father almost killed a man for doing this to his shop's well. They had to force him home and give him a paid days vacation. And he just fucking works there. People tolerate too much. If people tolerated less; things would be a lot better.
>>103228766I agree completely, but there are way more people willing to endure minimal risk to curtail others' rights than those that are willing to endure extreme risk to protect their rights, so it's ultimately a fruitless endeavour. People are happy being slaves. Or perhaps more accurately not unhappy enough to do anything about it.
>>103228673You sound mentally stable
>>103228910I unironically agree, he's the most mentally stable and reasonable person I've seen in months on this godforsaken planet. His type is more common over on /k/, but not here. Or anywhere else, for that matter, and that is exactly what is wrong with the current world; people aren't willing to kill and die for what is right.
>>103228937Any plans of your own to kill and die?
>>103229001I can't legally comment on that.
>>103229028So you're saying you do have such plans, which is why you can't legally comment
>>103229038I can neither confirm or deny that.On a completely unrelated note, are guns technology?
>>103229112i dunno bud, you should ask >>>/k/
>>103210246Another X screenshot
>>103210246Water doesn't get destroyed. It evaporates and turns into rain that gets soaked up in the land and then forwarded to water streams again. Whoever wrote this shit is genuinely subsaharan nigger tier retarded
>>103229809Ok, now point to the text where it indicates that water is destroyedI'll wait
>>103223662Air conditioning system is also water, retard
>>103210246Now tell me how much water is used for:>goyslop fast food chains>fast fashion>goyslop bottled drinksAI is inifinitely more useful than consumer shite like that.Besides, why can't we just use seawater to cool hueg rigs, then the heat to create clean water?
>>103210265Usually /g/ memes aren't this shitty.
>>103210449Ancient google image. Since I was in preschool. Red pill me on this image.
>>103211292Bro why would you drink that shit. Purify the water. There's something in the water for the Judea state.
unless we are going full Ted K AI is here to stay
>>103211779>>103211769>>103211756Thank you for the college level post.
>>103210246Energy issue. Not my problem. Tell those fusionists to stop shitting the bed and hurry up.
>>103229969>Besides, why can't we just use seawater to cool hueg rigsThis is silly, why can't we just put the computers face down in the north pole and cool them that way?
>>103210246what if you're racist to dutch people?
>>103210246The funny thing about this image is the study that they reference in it doesn't match at all with the shitty journalists reporting. The study shows at a page of content costs 17ml and 13ml of that is from a hydro electric dam power generation. Which is much less than what a human would use to write one
>>103210467The universe has been trying to kill us ever since our very existence. What are you going to do about it?
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>>103210449Eeeevap-o-ration, condens-a-tion, precipitaaation on my head
THE COMPUTER IS THIRSTY FOR POWER NOT FUCKING WATER YOU TROGLODYTE
>>103210449Fake news conspiracy theory debunked far right wing propaganda.Soon there will be no water. Fear. Fear. Fear.
>>103228937Yea, I know it may be fruitless. And thank you for your kind words.
>>103232853they're talking about cooling systemsit's in the picture, toodid you know that AI datacenters are planning to have colocated nuclear power reactors, which also use water for cooling?
>>103233775So you're anti-nuclear energy? Why?
Please explain why this is even an ecological issue?Water is fucking indestructible. It just evaporates and spontaneously recombines in the atmosphere.What is the fucking deal with muh water wastage?
>>103229976>Red pill me on this image.This particular picture is inaccurate.Evaporation comes mostly from oceans and huge rainforests, not rivers or plains.Also the collection step doesn't show that every river has its associated basin which actually collects the water that then flows into this river and then into oceans. Plus there are underground seas, lakes and rivers too.>people aren't willing to kill and die for what is rightOh, they are. They just have too much to lose now.>>103234207>Please explain why this is even an ecological issue?Theoretically, if corporations reroute most of the water cycle for their exclusive needs the ecosystem will be completely fucked. The Earth's water and the Sun's energy coming onto it are finite.However, this discussion requires a serious scientific research (what the limits are, how close we are to these limits, what the consequences for breaking these limits are, what regulation is sufficient to prevent it, etc), not clickbait-tier articles.
>>103234342>Theoretically, if corporations reroute most of the water cycle for their exclusive needs the ecosystem will be completely fucked. The Earth's water and the Sun's energy coming onto it are finite.I appreciate that. But isn't most water reused and kept in a closed loop? I mean, I don't use more in my water cooled PC than what I put in it 4 years ago.
>>103234387>But isn't most water reused and kept in a closed loop?Structures like nuclear reactors and data centers have at least two loops - one closed (as in your water cooled PC) and another open (like in a hydro dam, but it just cools down the closed loop instead of spinning turbines).No one stops some Megacorporation from encasing a whole river in a tube and use it exclusively for cooling down their structures across the path to the ocean.
>>103210246all of that word salad just to say that all of AI usage would use as much as*checks notes*5.5 million people... after additional growth for 3 years...gee, if only water could be recycled after not being polluted at all just by circulating in water cooling circuits...
>>103234466Well that is fair. Surely we can use sea water or have something like this shit floating out there? What about a fucking ocean liner? Just cool that shit like how a nuclear cargo ship does it.
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>>103210246Proof that modern day commies are the equivalent of Christians. No respect for how the world actually works, only for ideas and memes. In any case if I ask Microsoft to pour out a bottle of water and they do it it's Microsoft who is at fault.
>>103212267Why did they spill it if they are desperate? Why not just get a job, do some economically viable work get rewarded with cash and pay more for water? Clearly wealthy mexicans value coke-cola more than water for poorfags' water
>>103211753Air too dirty
>>103212062>He doesn't use summarisation toolsFortunately, retards like you who can't adopt won't be in any position of power to do jack shit.
Maybe instead of "fixing" problems at the local level we can realize the major problem: That no singular entity should be allowed an out sized control on humanities resources without going through at least a few levels of democracy. The fact that any company can just ammass an obscene amount of wealth through selling operating systems and lying to shareholders and then go and spend that on wasting enough fresh water to flood the country, so that they can continue lying to investors is not only insane it's also retarded and would get you kick from a game of civ for trolling.
>>103236106What a truly retarded take.
>>103236109Have fun on Tucker Carlson, Moldcuck?
>>103236111What?
>>103236133Companies are not efficient. If stability is so important to you then realize that more than half go bankrupt in the first year and shut up! Statically your ideal country would fail in the first 6 months.
>>103210467boil my pee to destroy the toxins -> drink again -> infinite water
>>103210282>have zoomer coworker>incredibly anxious>asks ChatGPT everything>not comfortable with going anywhere else for answers>rants at me about nonsensical shit, like 3d printing turbos and engine blocks out of plastic, or how AI will soon be elected to office>can't tell when the bot hallucinates because he doesn't go anywhere else for answers>get fed up one day and start grilling him for thinking that plastic could survive the kind of forces an engine is expected to survive >he asks the bot what kind of forces an engine is expected to survive >the fucking bot tells him that an engine just sits in the engine bay so it doesn't see much force unless it's in a car accident lol>this brainrot aficionado tells me I don't know as much as I think I do and advises me to start using ChatGPT
>>103223433You'd have to build the houses right next to the data center, mostly. The processors don't work at boiling temperatures, and they need a lot of flow to maintain the low temperatures where they work best, so the water is merely warm, and not even by all that much. It's not steam. The pipes would have to be deep enough to stay warm throughout the winter and even then they'd lose a lot of heat with the ground at 60 degrees. And then what do you do in the summer?If anything, a more sensible thing is to build the data center next to the drinking water supply and just let the water flow through and have it cool off as it continues underground to your house where you worry about what exactly it's been flowing through.
>>103236181the fucking bot tells him that an engine just sits in the engine bay so it doesn't see much force unless it's in a car accident lolYou might have gotten a better answer if you'd asked about pressures, not forces, not that one would know you need to do that if you only rely on chatgpt.
>>103237882It's all he does; he just asks ChatGPT for everything. Fucking depressing.
>>103234079says who? your provenly poor reading comprehension?
>>103236181>"noo, you can't just build an engine out of plastic... i-it wouldn't stand up to regular use">"chatgpt disagrees"
>>103223069>he doesnt know
>>103210246Anon, ALL is water, just different densities.
>>103221911Mentioning woodchippers immediately reveals that you're a LARPing faggot. Just a heads up.
>>103210246The false assumption is tech growth is infinite and that we're going infinitely grow the data centers that host AI.
>>103228247the dude didn't even finish the glass, he poured 1/4 of it on his own fucking head.why was he gloating?
>>103210246That is complete stupidity that only a complete imbecile like you would believe. You and all your family deserve to be impaled and burned alive.
>>103228524I badly need to fix your skull with a pick axe.
>>103210246>"pouring out" a bottle of water [per 100 word output prompt]It's complete bullshit, off hundreds to thousands of times over. I guessed 80 degrees C:https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/water-properties-d_1573.html?vA=80&units=C#>641.1 Wh/kgKilograms are equivalent to a liter for the pictured bottle of water. 640W is already a lot for a single GPU, and this would mean it running it flat-out for an hour. Nevermind that much of the energy consumption is amortized over multiple prompts, and that datacenter GPUs will be tuned for power consumption over throughput. Let's just guess (generously) it takes 10s for GPT-4 to produce 100 word email. To evaporate the bottle would mean the GPU runs 230 kW. This gets into absurd power densities and impossible cooling, even if anyone could afford to power that GPU.
>>103234589Then you have issues with corrosion because of saltwater, or at least it accelerates that issue. There was this startup that tried making the argument for datacenters in earth orbit and using geostationary solar to power it. Yes, they believe we can put some data centers in space, but for that to significantly reduce the environmental impact of the facilities, we’re going to need a more eco-friendly rocket.
>>103239191???? it's a figure of speech you stupid nigger. kill yourself env sci fag, you will never be a real scientist
>>103240235It's "drinking" the water, not boiling it off. Presumably they're doing something like sucking in ocean water, cooling their system with it, and then pumping it back out.
>>103232853It's got the electrolytes that AIs crave!
Just build a giant cooling tower next to the data center. This is 2000 era water cooling but at a bigger scale. Highschool nerds solved this problem 2 decades ago using aquarium pumps, auto parts and garden hose.
>>103216352Both are true. Reagan KILLED your retarded nation when he opened up to unregulated TV. A crystal clear exponential rise in polarization, extremization in all sensible political, cultural, social matters can be observed since TV became the main source of unregulated external inputs for the average Joe.Fuck your retarded presidents
>>103210246I'm gonna go with no, it's just turning the frogs gay
Not my problem, I will soon have super-advanced AI on my computerThese people are just throwing their hissy fits because they know they will get replaced, if they cared about water they would stop using the internet
>>103239191larping as what
>>103240235>retarded propaganda is bullshitShocker!
>>103216352not a fair comparison.without AI, you actually have to write stuff manually thus exercising your brain, hands and everything else involved.with AI, you dont actually make anything. its just fancy statistics. no actual creation of anything on the part of the user except mental masturbation.the same way you think of prompts is literally what children do everyday, imagining things.
>>103210246Wait till they find out how much energy is used on providing porn.
>>103211753Free power too if they build themselves a geothermal plant.
>>103212267Then if Coca-cola moves away they bitch and moan about the loss of jobs.
>>103222882...how is the datacenter "using" the water though? Just for cooling? Why is so much of it escaping the system, isn't it a closed loop?
>>103222901>>103223471>>103223512Stop playing an idiot anon, most people like to have their water filtered and free of bacteria before they drink it.
>>103240458>startup that tried making the argument for datacenters in earth orbit and using geostationary solar to power itlol, I bet that lasted right up until they discovered that the only way to dump heat was via radiation.
>>103223433I live next to a large data center (Netherlands) and the municipal government actually did this. It doesn't work, the water is heated to like 30-40 degrees Celsius and it can barely be used for anything. It's too cold to shower with, it's too cold to do the dishes, it's too cold to wash my clothes with.The government tried to add heat to it but it became so expensive that they just cancelled it.It makes sense because the chips at data centers aren't running full blown 120 degrees celsius as the max temp of those chips allow. Instead they are tweaked to be between 40-60 degrees when the water passes over them to increase power efficiency of the chips. Meaning when it reaches your home it's already cooled a bit and at 30-40 degrees which is unusable dogshit.
>>103248193They're counting both water expended in cooling AND water expended in producing power.
>>103247651An extremist who will execute everyone they personally disagree with when given the chance. Talking about throwing people into woodchippers instead of figuring out what to do with them is a meme lately.
>>103250202>It doesn't work, the water is heated to like 30-40 degrees CelsiusI'm sorry to say, but your government is retarded, most likely on purpose. The physics already has the solution for this scenario called heat pump:>use a low pressure gas to collect the heat>condense the gas, now it is high pressure and hot>use the hot gas to transfer the heat at amplified temperature>expand the gas, now it is low pressure and cool
