>>103215647
No games.

>>103215647
Until 6 months from now when they release the Mac Mini 4 Pro Max and you NEED it because you NEED the hardware for social media browsing and posting on reddit that you bought a Mac Mini.

>>103215647
It's the perfect size to fit up your prolapsed asshole

M4 > Ryzen 7 7700X

>>103215668
https://moonlight-stream.org/

buy an ad

I kinda want to get one of these as a home server. I could just pull an old PC out of the closet but I like the novelty value of this and it would be way less obtrusive than having another fucking ATX case sitting around.

>>103215647
wow it comes with a power cable?

>>103216101
You could but like it's far from the only choice. Little reason to get it unless you need a mac server.

4W idle.
ACKes all PC chuds.

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>>103215647
cute

It's great for general desktop shit but I'm still keeping my secondary PC for gaming and local AI stuff. My Steam library in Mac OS only has a couple games that can run, and Crossover while impressive is too slow. AI stuff runs impressively well but it's still a bit slow and during extended runs the Mac Mini gets as hot as an inferno which makes me worry about its longevity.

For how long will Apple support M4?

>>103216526
7 years

>>103215647
Is Apple still cucking users with soldered RAM and SSDs?

>>103216533
Always. You can actually swap the SSDs on the mac mini though. Ifixit shows how

>>103216539
>You can actually swap the SSDs on the mac mini
Too cumbersome.

>>103216531
Too few.

my minipc with a ryzen 7 8845hs curbstomps this thing, and costs a third of the price

>>103216539
https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Mac_mini_Late_2020 maybe only specific models

>>103215647
I wonder how apple feels about some rabid Indian spamming their products here every day, completely free of charge.

>>103215700
that would imply having a gaming computer already

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>>103216604
I couldn't find any info on the M4 model either while navigating their website. I had to use a search engine https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Mac_mini_%282024%29

>>103216539
This is a lie.

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>>103216435
>he shaves maybe $0.02 off his power bill compared to a machine twice as fast
>this, somehow, owns the PC chuds
i knew itoddlers were dumb but i didn't know they were also poor
has tim gone too far and milked their bank accounts dry for good?

>>103216647
Literally iFixIt shows you fucking mongo. Not an apple user, but holy fucking shit you guys are retarded.
https://www.ifixit.com/News/104302/all-hail-the-return-of-upgradeable-storage-mac-mini-2024-teardown

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>>103216647
You should inform yourself first >>103216644

>>103216664
>Due to the non-standard nature of the SSD, we’re not holding our breath for aftermarket parts.
Wow, so you could theoretically replace the SSD if someone made them in that form factor. Do you even read the links you post?
They should dislodge India from the larger internet like a wet turd.

>>103216674
Replying several times doesn't make you any less wrong, Deepak.

>>103216683
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/polysoftservices/studio-drive/posts/4248403
Numb digger

>>103216693
Take your meds. You got called out for talking out of your ass and now you are moving the goalpost >>103216683 . Shut the fuck up if you don't know what you are talking about

>>103215647
No ports, no games, no programs, no repairs, no optical drive.

>>103216708
>Kickstarter
And you keep scraping at the bottom of the barrel. Simply astounding, what brand-servitude does to a motherfucker.
>>103216715
That's not moving the goalpost, that's obliterating your obvious lie. What do you get out of tricking people into thinking these are upgradeable? They're not, even if they used standard M.2 drives they would be locked to the hardware via serial number, like literally everything they make.

>>103216746
It's been in development for three years you dumb nigger, it's launching as a product as we speak

>>103215647
nobody cool
nobody who ever did anything
used an apple product

>>103215647
Once mainlinux Linux is stable on that, it's gonna be a decent homelab/server platform.

>>103216769
It's not available for purchase, it's a fucking kickstarter. Do you understand the difference, you street-shitting menace? Do you even own a mac mini?

>>103216720
>no games
That is a good thing, though.

>>103215647
Where do I connect a keyboard to that thing? Is it one of the two USB-C drives? Where do I connect the mouse? The speakers? The screen?

Or do I need the second usb-c to plug in a neurolink device and I don't need other devices anymore?

>>103216896
USB-C adapters for everything, or USB-C to (Display Port, 3.5mm, USB-A) don't be silly anon

@103215647
buy an add and a toilet currygarbage
>>103216644
>not M.2 like everyone else
iTODLERS BTFO!

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>>103215668
Correct, because there are no good games anymore. Just emulate systems from back when games had sovl.

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>>103216896
>Where do I connect a keyboard to that thing?
Bluetooth keyboard.
>Where do I connect the mouse?
Bluetooth mouse.
>The speakers?
There's 3.5mm jack.
>The screen?
HDMI/Thunderbolt 4 port.

>>103216539
>>103216533
RAM is soldered
SSD can be swapped but only to an apple equivalent. It's not a standard SSD at all.

>>103216769
Go back to /pol/.

>>103216603
lol nope, it trashes your shitheap at 1/5th the powerdraw

>>103216683
>gets exposed for a mouthbreathing retard
>spazzes out

>>103215647
Walled garden iToy

>>103216896
based retard

can we range ban india already mods?
the piece of shit has SOLDERED RAM
FOR NO REASON

apple is the #1 tech polluter on the planet
"oh my ram went bad...let me throw the whole computer away to africa in the river"

>>103217059
Stop trying to coerce people and stop getting all defensive about it, you brand-child.

>>103217044
the energy efficiency is irrelevant on the individual scale, we are talking about like $5-10 per year difference in electricity costs, linux support on it is garbage, and you have to do x86_64 translation for a ton of shit, the windows mini pcs are better

>>103215647
Ignore apple every day keeps the faggot away.

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>>103215668
>blocks you're path

>>103217346
>M1
So if I wait 5 years I might be able to play games on my M4? I think I'll just get the 4090, thanks.

>>103216435
I'm literally paying my power company money for the excess electricity I produce.
I rather have my computer burning some extra for some free heating.

>>103217087
range ban Texas and Newyork just to be sure

>>103216101
Same, i know there are better options, but i kind of want to try it out and MacOS has both native versions of what i'd use, and docker available.

>>103216101
I thought so too at first, but there is no option (unless I was blind when looking for it) for more than 1Gb Ethernet.

>>103217519
Right? I don't even have that much use for a home server if I'm being honest, it's just a solution in search of a problem and an excuse to fuck around with something for novelty's sake.

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>>103216101
I've tried to use a Mac Mini as a server, it fucking sucks. macOS is just garbage as a server, it's not like using Linux. Asahi is hobby quality on the M1, they'll probably give up on being cucked by a corporation before M4 support is anything usable.

Don't get a mac mini unless you're a individual who needs something pretty to sit on your desk for making shitty iphone apps or whiny blog posts

If you just want something small, there's a billion decent small form factor PCs where you can actually afford a decent amount of memory or to put your own SSD in. Then you have something where you can use any homeserver software you want

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>>103217755
>making shitty iphone apps
you need more than 16gb ram for dev shit

>>103215647
*end gay
Sorry, was too excited

>>103217519
It may support Docker but it will run in a VM instead of forwarding syscalls to the Linux kernel like it does on x86 Linux. It's a pretty big waste

>>103217899
it's running on a vm that runs on the new native virt libraries. almost bare metal speeds. the networking is the shitty part.

>how long will they support the chip
>I need to update the ram immediately

>>103217346
Asahi is developed by trannies for cucks.

I can sympathise with normal Apple fag consumers, but turning an Apple computer into a hobbyist machine when Apple will turn around to destroy your hobby at some point is retarded.

>>103215647
buy an ad sir

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>>103217389
More like a couple of years at most.

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>>103215668
Star Wars: The Old Republic is coming soon to macOS

>>103216533
I replaced the battery on an 11 year old MacBook the other day

took two hours most of which was dribbling acetone to dissolve glue

still worked though

>>103218708
At which point the Intel C770 will absolutely BTFO the M4 GPU for $200.

>>103215647
it's useless, what can you do on it? Macos is an os for old people that have no idea what a computer is, so they can browse facebook, mods should remove this shit cause it's off topic its not tech

>>103216715
>"you got called out"
ohh don't tell mom, go ahead swap it let's see.

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>>103216794
Not an indian you dumb motherfucker. All I'm saying is that your point is a fucking farce.
>Do you even own a mac mini?
No, I'm white, pic related
>>103217030
>Any opinion I don't like is /pol/ or reddit (depending on if the naughty word was used)
Get a life

>>103220607
>>103220607

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>>103215647
it is unironically more than enough for most people's usecases. it is also tiny as fuck and consumes barely any electricity. credit were credit is due. the 256gb ssd in 2025(minus 2 months) is absolutely niggerish though. also no gaymes

>>103220594
>All I'm saying is that your point is a fucking farce.
No, it seems all you're doing is doubling down after being proven wrong over and over. What a sad existence you lead, you probably just wanted to win a petty argument online.
Empty handed, empty headed.

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>>103215647
the chromebook to end all chromebooks

How well do Thunderbolt-to-Displayport/HDMI cables work if I want to use this in a triple-monitor setup?

>>103215647
This or the Apple TV for my living room?

>>103221202
I don't own an AppleTV, but I assume (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that it's like SmartTV's and Chromecasts in that you'll be seeing ads. I mean, you could always pay more for the higher subscription tiers that don't show ads, but on a desktop you can just run basic-level streaming services through your webbrowser, with an ad-blocker, and not get ads.

Purely as an HTPC, I don't think the M4 Mac is going to be obsolete for a very long time. I'm sure it could playback hypothetical 8k movies at 24fps.

>>103221245
That’s kinda my thought process, plus anything hidden behind a Jew wall or or just outright unavailable is a torrent away

>>103221245
The apple tv has the least ads of all the tv OSes

>>103216969
You can't, the Mac mini m4 won't run unsigned code

>>103220814
External drives exist. I also store everything on a nas. I'm not a Mac guy and choose Windows and Linux (wherever possible). Just saying, it's a storm in a teacup. Plus apparently it's upgradable in the m4 Mac mini.

>>103221647
Kodi is better

>>103220814
What’s funny is that from the YouTube reviews I’ve seen tb4 storage is faster than internal storage

if you buy a $600 m4 mac mini, you're going to have to spend hundreds more in a usb hub, thunderbolt to DP/HDMI cables, and be compelled to buy wireless peripherals.

>>103224099
and external storage!

>>103221652
Why do you lie on the internets?

>>103222917
theyre using toshiba ssds which are notoriously bottom of the barrel
and since its soldered once it dies in about 240tb writes (which will happen in a few years because macos swaps so much) you're left with a paperweight
and you can't even take it into apple because the ssd contains the bios because they were too cheap to buy a 5c bios chip

>>103224328
there was a bug recently that removed the option from settings to run unsigned code because apple wanted to make that process even more convoluted because fuck developers
it's been patched but the conspiracy was they wanted to mandate buying an apple developer account

>>103224099
my 4k monitor has usb-c in, as well as ethernet and usb ports. it costs $350.

what would the dock be for?

>>103224346
they're using sandisk and kioxia
it's replaceable
the 2020 8gb macs are almost 5yo and nothing happened
the ssd doesn't contain the bios

you're a retard and a liar

>>103215647
will nsa spy on this?
seriously thinking about buying one for running LLM with low power 24/7

>>103215647
What's with crazy amount of those mac mini shillposts?
Like 4ch is not even target audience for such thing. It's basically laptop with no screen & battery.

>>103225005
4chan has always had an affinity for the Mac Mini, it's always been the tiny computer with surprising specs even since its inception 20 years ago. Moot used to run 4chan on a dozen or so Mac Minis back in the day.

>>103217579
10 gig Ethernet is showing as upgrade option for me, $100

You mean, the Hardware Backdoor

>>103224977
Only company in the world with a confirmed hardware backdoor.
https://www.kaspersky.com/about/press-releases/kaspersky-discloses-iphone-hardware-feature-vital-in-operation-triangulation-case
https://forum.arduino.cc/t/apple-ios-built-in-hardware-backdoors/1209182

>>103225047
Oh, interesting. I must not have looked close enough...
Actually worth thinking about updating my homeserver

im not buying that shit u cant upgrade it like wtf am i supposed to do if i want a more powerful setup 2 years from now?? buy a new one of those?? buying this apple e-waste should be illegal. apple is one of the biggest polluters and a major player in causing climate crisis. buying this shit is like tattooing 'IM DUMB' in ur forehead.

>>103215647
Shit performance
The only valid option is macbook pro in a maxxed out config, but it's so expensive it doesn't make sense to buy it on your own(it's fine if your company finances it though)

>>103216970
>wireless keyboard and mouse
You have to charge them you fucktard.
>1 HDMI
>Have to use USB C monitor
Fucking retarded.

Having 5 fucking USB C inputs and not a single USB A is just dumb.

>>103216653
>5W< idle vs gigawatt doesnt make a significant difference
retard

>>103217087
ram doesnt go bad you dumb pajeet

>>103215647
>no ECC RAM
It's a toy. I already have enough toys.

>>103228322
ddr5 is ecc idiot

>>103225150
what are the alternatives?

>>103215668
consoles

>>103217147
nta
inte nuc’s man, the best for compact computing on windows. i hate that they ditched it. the last nuc extreme could fit a FE 4080/4090(4090 with psu upgrade)

>>103215647
What's a computer?

>>103215647

>>103215647
Good morning sirs

>>103217147
funny i haven't used one thing that needed rosetta in the last 3y.
so close to nothing needs x86 translation because 1st of all, x86 software is shit in comparison

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How the fuck does 4 USBA ports and a 8TB SSD cost more than the actual fucking Mac mini? $500 for this plastic shit? How?

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>>103215647
This is my endgame

>>103231545
your endgame includes hepatitis? cause that shit is filthy

>>103231565
Come and lick it

>>103227873
you know that pcs idle at 60w right?
I know that people in india are poor but even that's not a lot of electricity costs

>>103231625
That's still like $91 here in CA.

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>>103233033
>not real ecc

>>103233081
yeah

>>103215647
Weird, I got mine in today even though it was due in Wednesday

>>103231625
nah im not indian
sure i can afford to waste energy, but have you considered that maybe i dont want to?
i hate overconsumption

>>103233088
more ecc than youll ever need you stupid >muh technicalities gorilla goldfish brain fellating retard

>>103215647
It's being shown upside down. >>103231001 is how it's supposed to be used.

>>103231625
Not him, but I have a workstation PC with an undervolted 7950X and an undervolted 2070 Super.

Idles at roughly 130W.

On the power consumption topic, I think it's just plain neat that in a hypothetical off-grid scenario that your computer becomes more and more a non-factor as more energy efficient pc's like the Mac Mini come out. Already, if all your household just uses tablets and smartphones, the energy demands are so trivial that a ~$200 power station and single 100w solar panel is enough to keep them charged forever without compromises. Even if you have a dozen of them. As more computers like the Snapdragon Elite X and M4 macs are introduced, it'll become like that for your PC.

what recent games would it be able to play for reference?

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>>103234711
imagine what being homeless will be like in 10-20 years

full technological abilities as someone who lives at a house while sleeping in a tent or something the size of a tesla robo van

>>103234711
>in a hypothetical off-grid scenario that your computer becomes more and more a non-factor
go ahead and use it without the cloud, lol

>>103234824
Starlink

>>103231545
Pi5?

>>103234834
you could just use your phone's data as a mobile hotspot. i tether my pc to my phone if my internet connection goes out for some reason. gets about 10mbps down speed

I've used mine as a server before. It's arguably more stable than my Raspberry Pi but MacOS is an extremely GUI/desktop-focused system. I have to log in using the UI for most services to work; once I was abroad when the power went down long enough to drain my UPS - I needed to log in via VNC to get plex running so I could download a movie for my flight.

>>103234859
meant for >>103216101

>>103215668
I have been playing vidya on my work Macbook for a while using Geforce Now. It just werks.

>>103234850
Yes

>>103234859
you can boot macos in text only mode

>>103233144
so your PC uses 3kWh/day just idling?

>>103235022
how?
and what difference will it make? the operating system has the same limits in console and GUI mode.

>>103217346
no sound

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>>103215647
mogged

>>103236189
>5000 usd for half a 4090
i guess the figurative analsex justifies the price for some

>>103215647
did apple finally make the perfect debian machine?

>>103236210
Is the top model even half 4090? It's not exactly apples to apples comparison.

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>>103236426
i just checked.
i was giving way more credit to the m4 than it deserves

what's a good picture viewer for macos? Lyn seemed ok but it nags me about allowing access to other app data every time I open a picture. I would consider paying the $30 if the stupid alert would go away.

>>103236210
it's not a GPU

>>103238732
nonono
you cant do shrodingers gpu on me
its supposed to be pro
its supposed to suck and give ass
then fit the fagbook with a discrete gpu
or fuck off cuz i aint paying 5k for a chromebook

should i buy a steam deck now or wait for chips like this to proliferate?

>>103239760
dont count on desktop high end igpus to become a thing
they just dont make economical sense
a gpu has vastly different constraints/needs than a cpu, and the architecture reflects that

but in handhelds... thats another story
a separate graphical chip still makes sense, but for miniaturization sake, why not?
i think.

>>103239760
The white one is pretty nice looking at least

>>103215647
>mains power electronics
>metal case
>no earth connection
>unsafe
no thanks; I want something that can't electrocute me

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>>103217346
>Humiliation ritual
You're really going to spend 600 bones + tip just to install a barely working vtranny version of linux on a soldered shitbox with 256GB of storage just to play vidya???

>>103241102
If I ever buy one it's gonna be used. I'll use it to either develop shit for the Apple ecosystem or try to put Linux into it and attempt to make it do x86 things like old games just for the lehls, or both.

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>>103216101
Just get one of those cheap mini pcs on amazon that that look exactly the same

>>103215668
7 Days to Die
Arma 3
Baldur's Gate 3
Civilization 6
Death Stranding
Diablo III
Dirt 4
Factorio
Farming Simulator 22
Humankind
Minecraft
NBA 2K22
No Man's Sky
Portal
SnowRunner
Stray
SuperTuxKart
The Sims 4
The Witcher
Timberborn
Valheim
World of Warcraft

There's a tons of other games out there for M-series Macs. Seems to be a wide enough selection to never get bored.

>>103241477
>runs at potato fps at 720p

>>103217346
these people are wasting their time and effort
imagine doing all that work that no one asked for and no one wants and you're not even getting paid for it

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>>103241366
Buy nice or buy twice.

>>103241477
It feels like Mac game support is getting better again, around the time of the m1 Macs and dropping 32bit support It felt like especially Indies got burnt on supporting Macs due to the extra effort, maybe because a lot of the older engines they used didn't support 64bit for whatever reason. Stuff like RenPy based VNs.

But maybe the fairly accessible nature of the M4 will change that.

>>103241366
>4 USBA
>2 HDMI
>power button you can actually get to
THIS IS MADNESS

>Use Macbook at work. Starting to enjoy the just werks. Thinking of replacing my home "desktop" NUC with m4 mini.
should I do it?

>>103241611
yeah why not
if appo ecosystem doesnt create friction in your workflow, go for it why not
know that appo are anti consumer doe
and rationally there is 0 incentive to buy appo

>>103241907
>my workflow
This would be my personal shit posting and fapstation. I guess one of my concerns is tim cook spying on my porn viewing more than windows?

>>103215678
not true, i also need it to stream netflix to a 1080p monitor

>>103217519
>and docker available
docker runs on windows, macos, and linux?

>>103236210
cheaper than a 4090 build

>>103215647
Wrong. This infringes upon every central tenant of the PC hobby.
>no Windows 11 Pro
>no games
>no CD drive
>no HDD
>no VGA/DVI ports
>no USB-A ports
>not compatible with Arch Linux

Like, why would someone buy this?? Why do you need a computer if you're not playing games or running Linux? Mac will never be taken seriously if it's not ready for gaming on day one. PC Master Race exists for a reason. Real gamer, out!

>>103239511
your shitheap housefire needs a computer to run, retard.
a 4090 build id way higher than a $3400 m4 max

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>>103215647
For a Mac product, it's actually priced suprisingly well, shame anything beyond the base spec is dogshit however

>>103239511
Well if gaymin is a deal-breaker for you then it already goes without saying

>>103242249
What are you, poor?

>>103242485
No, I'm rational.

>>103239835
what im wondering is how much smaller can these kinds of chips make the steam deck. can it be psp sized?

Anyone know of a good trackpad that works with MacOS that isn't $150? I have the MX3 right now and after prolonged use palm is scraping against the mousepad.

>>103216720
>optical drive

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>103215647
I bought mac mini 2009 for $35 a few days ago
Still usable today with 6 gigs and ssd

>>103243517
you did not laugh that much at that. Probably not at all

>>103243531
For what? Could make a good town pump style NAS.