I love SSD so much, bros. It is undeniably been the greatest gift/boon to users since the very invention of computer itself. Using one as a boot drive is unquestionably the best computer upgrade one can get. God bless /g/, computers and SSDs as boot drive.
>>103224629Happy 2016, anon! Buy bitcoin!
nvmes are a pretty solid improvement over satas as a boot drive. the random read speeds are a lot faster.
>>103224629> boot drivedon't people just use it for everything now? I don't have any HDD, but I don't hoard useless stuff, just things that are really irreplaceable and important to me.
>>103224694yeah 4TB ssd is like 150 bucks, no point in using loud slow spinning rust
>>103224786Anon, that cheapo QLC SSD will be slower than spinning rust in sustained write speeds.
My boot and OS drive is a cheap thumb drive.
>>103224812The new meme is that cacheless nvme is good, maybe even better than with cache, because it uses HMB and DDR5 is fast. If you have DDR5 that is.
>>103224824it works okay actually. live usbs are a thing. AAA games think usbs are fine too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCtsAU1vmoA
i use my 2TB SSD for everything now but i still use HDD's for cold storage because it's a lot more reliable and won't fail immediately (in my experience), it gives signs when its going to fail.
>>103224930I have a faster thumb drive for games. It can read at 1000MB/s and write at about 500MB/s. I keep the OS and game thumb drives separate.
>>103224920DDR5 gen parts are all overpriced I'll be on DDR for the next 5-6 years
>>103224694I use 500gb ssd for os & 2tb hdd for data.I don't care about ssd other as boot drive and I already kinda feel nostalgic about hdd's. ssd also feels like disposable storage with that life left counter.
>>103224786>4TB ssd is like 150 bucksThe cheapest and shittiest are 230€ here, this is obviously a falsehood or you're shilling for literal chink scams.
>>103224629My classmates in middle school made fun of me for booting up my PC before getting undressed or even taking my shoes off, like an absolute savage. That's how long HDDs took to boot up.
>>103224812show benchmarks or stfu
>>103225116>230€oh a yuropoor. how sad.
>>103225166>4TB ssdIt's till over 200€, you can get much bigger hard drive for that.
>>103225131As someone who remembers my family's old gateway from 1998, it was always turn on and go take a piss. If you happen to catch it as it went to the desktop then you have 3-4 more min before it was responsive.Nowadays my desktop spends 2x more time in the BIOS than booting Windows, I don't even see the loading circle, it's BIOS splash and a blink later it's the login screen.
>>103224629Why is this even a discussion? I've had an SSD as a boot drive since 2011. 128GB SSD way back then and it cost about $200. I still have it and it still works. Bare minimum should be a sata SSD boot drive.
>>103225219I'm still using hdd's at work.2x500gb, first is boot drive, second swap and data. Also have usb flash drive for ready boost. Once it boots up and stabilizes it's ok to use.
>>103225219You share this board with people still using PCs from 15 years ago. Some are undeniably salty they can't afford/install an SSD while others are just now discovering using one.
>>103225254>PCs from 15 years agoYou're not wrong. 75k hours on drives&machine.
>>103225254>Some are undeniably salty they can't afford/install an SSDNo im just fucking lazy as fuck and dont see a point. I can pay for everything and SSDs are cheap, i just dont want to, too much trouble. It's not about money at all.
>>103224629im sorry are you from the past?
>>103225177yeah, my 12tb hdd was around 300 euros
>tfw I don't have any more m.2 space for a boot drive>mfw I used the m.2 spaces for more important stuff like Steam and my memes folder
>>103225065>life left counterYein! qrd?
>>103224629Good morning anon. I recently gave an i5-4210Y mini PC new life with an SSD. It is now a totally serviceable HTPC.
>>103225369not him but putting an SSD in an M2 slot is hard now ? lmao
>>103224786That's more than my whole computer is worth.
>>103225254>You share this board with people still using PCs from 15 years agoHow is this somehow a bad/negative thing, dumbass?Computers are /g/, consooming isn't. Also, quite laughable that you'd equate spending money with being well-to-do. Seems like you're the one who isn't a man of means, whilst the ones you call poor are.
>>103225337Why is the monitor at 32Hz?
>>103225526Qt kot
>>103225165>show benchmarks or stfuSamsung QLC drive average write speed is below 90MB/s. The SLC cache can be written faster, but it is pathetically small, you copy a Bluray iso and it's gone. Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/samsung-870-qvo-1-tb/6.htmlJust for comparison: a 14 year old Samsung 105SI HDD can reach that average speed. A modern HDD can reach up to 280MB/s (average speed). Even a 5400rpm quiet NAS drive can reach ~210MB/s average. QLC is garbage and should be avoided at all costs.
>>103225627It's rdp session. It actually has 3x19" 5:4 monitors from guess 2008 or so. It's my office pc but I haven't been in office physically for years and yeah company is that cheap with hardware.
>>103225688>QLC is garbage and should be avoided at all costsDigits confirm.
>>103225688it'd be hard to saturate the cache that way with real life usage, you rarely write 40GB+ without interruption at a timebut yeah i agree with your point about QLC, it does feel like bit of a scam, it also has negative effects on the lifespan
>>103225750>it'd be hard to saturate the cache that way with real life usagecopying a goddamn file is not real life usage?
>>103225750>it'd be hard to saturate the cache that way with real life usage, you rarely write 40GB+ without interruption at a timeanon, people do use their computers for other things than browsing 4chan, twitter and facebook all day long.
>>103224683>nvmes are a pretty solid improvement over satas as a boot driveno they are not, literally 0 difference in actual use
>>103225688>intentionally abusing the FTLwhoa.
>>103225254i thought i was late to the party putting an ssd in my 2008 laptop in 2014, these days hdd's in general are basically a memory for most people
>>103225860what ? windows boots almost instantly, with my old hybrid HDD it took 4 minutes lol
>>103225860the controllers in nvmes are way better than the sata controllers. windows doesnt stall when managing 100 programs open.
>>103225807>>103225824yes if you have a special autistic use case where you churn through 100TBW a day, you can purchase better suited hardwarethat's completely besides my point, for 99% of consumers, they won't notice
>What's the use case Hello ebusi
>>103225987>copying files is a special autistic use caseI'm not going to buy QLC shit you nigger, no matter how hard you shill it.
>>103226094i'm not telling you to do anything, stop taking it so personally
>>103226094If you had a PM1743 you'd change your tune on QLC
>>103224629this is technically nvme and not traditional ssd, but sure go ahead.
>>103224629Yeah, it's true. I've only used SSDs for this purpose for many years now, but recently I needed to test some unused parts I had hanging around and didn't have any spare SSDs for a temporary OS install. I used a regular HDD instead and holy FUCK is it slow, it's outright shocking how bad it is when the OS is installed on one.
>>103225807>copying a goddamn file is not real life usage?Show me your 180GB file.
>>103226543>PM1743That's an enterprise TLC drive.
>>103226760>Show me your 180GB file.My system drive backups are 250+ GB and they get created regularly every week.
>>103226760Relatively common things like backup images or VM drive images can reach that pretty easily. I have VMs with larger images than that and I do make backups even of those files.
>>103224629Boot drive? Do people still do that?
I boot from ram :)))))))
>>103224629:-)
>>103224629
I bought 2 2TB HDDs rather than 1 4TB HDD because I can made a redundancy in case one fails. Spending a lot of money on large drives that are going to be 50% empty anyways is just asking for trouble. I buy a few TB worth of HDDs every 5 years to make backups just incase. So I have like a dozen or so drives all with pretty much the same data on them, some with newer versions of files but whatever.If I lost my original PSDs for my paintings I would kill myself. I have every single painting and photoshoot with models I've had for the last 20 years. At some point in 2010 I even made a 500gig backup using DVDs I still have. That took fucking forever to do.I know some of you faggots have petabytes of porn saved or movies or whatever but making backups of that kind of stuff seems really pointless. Photos, paintings, old maps I made in unreal and source, game dev files, stuff like that is irreplaceable. Losing some porn and movies isn't a big deal.
>>103225919we are talking about nvme vs. sata, not hdd vs. ssd>>103225953I noticed absolutely no difference between nvme and sata m.2.
>>103224629May God bless you too anon.
>>103226760gta vi
>>103225919>4minutezSwap to SSD and it will boot in seconds.
>>103229269>At some point in 2010 I even made a 500gig backup using DVDs I still have. That took fucking forever to do.I used to do this in the 00s but stopped when I realized that five years later half of them were unreadable.Been using HDDs ever since and lost nothing. Had a few times when a drive exploded and such, but I have backups of everything important, I think at worst I have lost 1 week of game statistics in the past 15 years.>I know some of you faggots have petabytes of porn saved or movies or whatever but making backups of that kind of stuff seems really pointless.If you've searched for porn often then you'd know that it's not that easy to find good stuff; with actresses who you find really attractive, or scenes which do something that others don't. In 25 years I think I've seen 1 porn movie where a girl had an actual on screen orgasm during the scene.I mean you could probably find it again if you know the title/actress name but then you have to deal with the file only being available in a divx of a dvd uploaded to xhamster in 240p quality which makes it look unwatchable.So yeah, I do have my porn backed up too. There's some good shit there.
>tfw no 4x PCI-e 6.0 RAID0 boot drive
>>103225750What do you think happens when it is not interrupted?You have every write twice. First into the SLC cache, then into the QLC. It is twice the load, just to pretend that your drive is fast.Remember the HDD / SDD hybrid drives?This is what you are using.
>>103225750>you rarely write 40GB+ without interruption at a timeYou do that every time you make a backup. Modern SSDs are built to be used by consoomers who store everything in the cloud. It's not a data storage, it's a boot storage.In the future, we will see consoomer devices that have their operating system stored on a read-only device and operate in RAM only.
>>103226760Any game from 2022 onward.>>103230221I want consumer grade chips with more PCI lanes without having to spend an assload on Threadrippers or Epyc. They don't even have to go all the way, half an epic 32 fucking lane chip please. Please let me actually utilize the GPU and a drive like this. I know the older TR's have 32 but they're again expensive as shit and too power hungry. Lower clock idgaf just make it so I can actually utilize multiple m2 drives, a gpu...an anything later on without having to go though X4 chipset.
>>103229793>>103231701>playing objectively shitty AAA video games>2024Come on, lads. I know you're better than this!
>>103228298Do you exclusively boot over the network, or what? The vast majority of computers boot from some local drive, yes.
>>103232027i think he's referring to a drive only used for an OS, which was common in the earlier ssd days when they weren't so big. as opposed to a larger ssd that has both an OS and everything else on it
>>103228752<3
>>103229289>I noticed absolutely no difference between nvme and sata m.2The difference is quite discernible, though.
>>103224629just use the ssd got everything dawg>boot driveboot drive was a thing when a 256gb ssd was $99
>>103229889>In 25 years I think I've seen 1 porn movie where a girl had an actual on screen orgasm during the scenesauce, Sauce, SAUCE
